#950 – Self Consciousness, Purpose & Identity/
- February 2, 2021
We chat about Elon Musk on Clubhouse, living in a bubble, self consciousness, purpose and identity.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Chewy Tuesday
- Elon Musk on Clubhouse
- Living in a bubble
- Self consciousness vs self awareness
- Purpose & identity
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Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the grown spot.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:11] in the calendar
Josh Janssen: [00:00:13] just like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.
It's the daily talk show episode 950.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:24] That's a nice number aging, closer to that foul.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:27] It's a chewy Tuesday. Uh, thank you to GB for saving the day today. One of the
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:33] worst segments of this show, but I'll tell you why it won't be in 30 seconds after you do your review of one of the most common chewies known to people.
Okay, this is 30 seconds starts. Now put the timer on now, JB
Josh Janssen: [00:00:48] start the clock. Um, this is a bubble mint. From extra it's pink and we're going to try it. Yeah. Okay. Smells like bubble gum. Ready?
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:59] I mean, people get furious at this flavor cause they're like, well, mint and bubble mint bubble gum. Should I do the
Josh Janssen: [00:01:07] FDI joke?
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:09] Nice. Once
Josh Janssen: [00:01:10] it's got a better laugh at time, Joe. Um, there you go, TJ. So what have you got.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:19] Uh, I'll tell you after this. Okay. So I don't know, man. I eat this every day. Um, to you, Amy has it in the car. We have it in the smaller form in the container. Um, it's, uh, it's an eight for me. I really like it cause it's like sweet.
Um, so it feels
Josh Janssen: [00:01:40] a bit naughty. So the flavor is, um, bubble mint and, um, Nine the top three
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:46] ingredients, um, some kind of gum fly, uh, sweeteners. Um, what do they call it? Like? Yeah, I dunno. I don't know. What's in fucking chewing gum. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:58] It's um, ingredients. Uh Sabaton yep. Gum base, a militant or Toto.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:06] I will bring.
I'm saving this whole fucking show. Um, the difference between bubble gum and chewing gum, you want to know, um,
Josh Janssen: [00:02:17] a bubble gums, a bowl?
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:19] No. A chewing gum base is a natural gum called chichele harvested from the SAP of a tropical tree called a papilla tree. Bubblegum base on the other hand is a mixture of starches and polymers made in a laboratory and specifically formulated to blow bubbles and kill children at that last time that polymers plastic who knows the polymers is plastic, but it's made in the lab.
Um, anyway, that's the end of chewy Tuesday or is it I haven't, it'd be fine. Go to your email. Okay.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:03] Standby.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:04] So w we started this year. I mean, it was strong too. It's Tuesday. Great idea. More oomph in the name than anything. Oh,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:15] this is good. This is good. This is a USI foods order. So we're going to have to,
um, some initiative you could have ordered this before today. Tuesdays
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:29] do come around every
Josh Janssen: [00:03:30] week. Okay. So you've got, you've ordered, um, One packet of tried into gum.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:36] Yeah. Try it. It's like a classic American.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:39] It looks like a, um, the packet of a dishwashing liquid. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:45] Oh yeah. I hope it smells like Denka Robin.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:47] what I'm excited about these final two, it's the Trident gum cinnamon and the Wrigley's big red gum classic B Greg, in your mind, new ADC potentially. Hmm. Um, so when do we think that that will come? So it takes three days. We'll
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:00] be here next week at the end of this week for next week. But at least we've got three packets to actually do some kind of a worthwhile chewy Tuesday.
Chewy's that you don't normally get that we can review. Um, we might as well move on there. So, George, thanks for saving the day and TJ.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:19] No, you did a really good, yeah, no, George really did. He literally said, have you got chewy? I appreciate that. What's been
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:26] happening, mate. Um, uh, Elon Musk was on a clubhouse.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:34] Yeah. So what was the deal? So, I mean, I, uh, uh, I've been on club I've sort of moved on now, bait and switch isn't it, it's like
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:44] I'm a survivor. Um, so I'm surprised to each Tuesday's lasted longer than you on
Josh Janssen: [00:04:49] clubhouse. I do a pit and then my favorite thing to do in clubhouse is actually not being in the clubhouse, but just letting people in.
Because when you let them in you, your name is on it forever. And so there's some people that like haven't spoken to in 10 years. So people who are like, you know, well known in their industry or whatever, and they pop up on my phone because I have them in their contacts. Like I have them in my contacts and it says so-and-so's waiting in line.
And so there's something real top dog about being like, they might come up, like, be like, imagine saying, come on in. But not only when you come on in, you need to wear a name badge saying guests, Josh Janssen forever
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:29] in small print. Josh bitch. No, I mean, I'm so recapping on what clubhouse is. It's a new app released this year.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:38] released last year?
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:40] Gained traction. In 2021, um, a lot of big name intellects are on it. It's basically a audio platform where people can live, stream them talking. So it's not video, but it's like rooms of people that jump in and listen, and that's about it. You can, you could get pulled in at any time, but the chances, if you think you're getting pulled into a conversation with arrogant
Josh Janssen: [00:06:02] fuck with Elon Musk, like you do have that.
Moment. I, even if I feel like they're going to the audience, I'll sometimes quietly. Cause that's a function quietly late. That's the only way to leave. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:16] I wonder if there's like leave, slam the door.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:19] Anyway.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:20] So last, last night I was at the gym, went pretty late. I eight 30 and I'm like, dang, I did some legs, squat thrusters, some thrusters, you know, kettlebells, barbell.
Yeah. Did some kettlebell swings as well, 20 kgs just in between, you know, just to set between my lat pull downs to get the heart rate up. Yeah, the glutes work. So you start with some lat pull downs, get them back warm, get nice and thick. Do some, uh, swings in between. Get the heart rate up and the legs warmed up.
Then you move over to the thrusters. Any foam rolling? No foam rolling. No, not last night. Anyway. Uh, so at the GMR, see someone posts, um, uh, just saying that they just, that it was that their mind was blown, listening to Elon Musk talk. And grill the guy from, um, Robin hood, the CEO of Robin hood live on
Josh Janssen: [00:07:18] this is, this is huge for clubhouse
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:20] huge.
And so they immediately, I jumped into clubhouse and there's all these rooms that have been set up to talk about what happened. Even Eric Weinstein Weinstein was saying something. I think it was, I think his group was about that, but he was like, what just happened for culture? Or maybe you use it. So
Josh Janssen: [00:07:38] I don't know anything about this.
Can you tell me what they spoke about?
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:42] Uh, you can find this on YouTube where some guy has known about what was going to happen, because they do put like an announcement Elan's coming on clubhouse. And so there was a room set up. It wasn't specifically for him to talk to the guy from Robin hood. They were talking for an hour about a bunch of shit.
Right. And then they, uh, they were talking about aliens. They was talking about how to get to Mars. And that's how some interesting shit about rocket science and intellectual stuff that, you know, I can't keep up with. I was just going to the YouTube video to find the bit where he grilled the guy from Robin hood, Robin hood, the, um, investment app or the stock trading app.
Um, and he gets this guy, this guy comes in through the there's a facilitator who invites the guy in and then Ilan just all of a sudden starts, mate, what has happened? Everyone wants to know, but he was so was set up. Um, now I reckon Ilan was just riffing because at one point the guy like, um, so I'll tell you a bit about who, you know, what Robert Hood is.
I'm the CEO and Ilan says to him, yeah, we know mate. We know, but then he's like wants to give context, but he was really grilling him about it. What's your. Uh, you know, just technical stuff about like who actually is behind the app and saying, you know, what's your allegiance to these people in making this decision, but it was interesting, but that's what was it
Josh Janssen: [00:09:06] on YouTube now that
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:07] we can it's now on YouTube, you can just watch a lawn mask on.
Uh, clubhouse, which it St. He's Elan's like I heard about this a week ago, this app really that's all. Yeah. And even the other guy from Robin hood said, I literally heard about this app clubhouse. Okay. Sorry, not Robin hood clubhouse, but I mean, this is the thing, these it's so interesting. I like going to parties with my son's friends, parents, and like, you know, chatting to them and just.
Realizing the fucking bubble that I live in. Yeah. When you're talking to people outside your bubble.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:45] But this is like even when I used to work in radio and when we would do something on FIFA angels, you know, driving your home fee angels, we thought that that was like, I just assumed whenever we did something, everyone in Victoria was listening.
It was so funny when I went from there to a tech company and there was only one person. In like the, the finance team who listened to radio and was at all impressed that I was web gunshot watch. Yeah, I can come in Dick swinging the guy's web guy. Josh is
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:18] here. It shows you how far your head can go up your ass off.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:23] just you, not just fucking knew it was me too. I mean, the great thing about web guy Josh very quickly is that that was sort of the name, you know, you really embodied. Which is very similar, came
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:35] out with web guy. Josh
Josh Janssen: [00:10:37] had, well, they had it like a web guy, Blake they're all, they're all web guys, girls
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:43] just insert name.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:45] exactly. First bit web guy, web girl. But the funny thing was they stopped when they changed their content management system for their website. I think that any. Time, they did an article where it didn't, they didn't put someone's name to it. It would come up as web guy, Josh.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:00] So you got all
Josh Janssen: [00:11:01] the SEO?
Yeah. Well, the funny thing is all the stuff that was a little bit controversial that no one wanted to put their name to was done by web guy, Josh. Um, but yeah, no, it was, it was very sort of, you would have felt that being in Shepherdin you feel like you're doing the, the biggest. Things in the world or maybe it didn't feel like that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:19] did you go into a supermarket and then not a supermarket because we know that the number one writing radio show is in Kohl's and it doesn't have anything to do with number one, digital fever. It's digital.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:30] You even saw you in calls. I don't know if you like listen to string Coles online at home, or really?
Yeah. So they're trying to get you to now listen, make sense, like you control all of the ads, like rather than having to. Advertise on a radio station. Why not create your own,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:45] make it good. You'd go into a shop and you could hear your ads or, you know, bits from your own show, which was kind of a call, but it fucking does put your head up your ass a little bit, but then it is the bubble, right?
It's like people just have lives that are going on. People don't know about half the tech shit that you're interested in that you, maybe I'm wondering why. Evolution like it, it has become a thing where you, the, the bubbles that we live in, like, what's it serving when you think that your, that your world is the world?
Like, what does it serve for survival? Or is it ego that is just taken hold? And as you know, holiday says, Ryan holiday is the enemy. Ego is the enemy.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:32] I think that you empathize with what you see. And so if you're just in. This bubble, unless you have any reason to leave it. So I like, mm. You know, some people who never travel anywhere, they don't have any perspective, but there are some people who it's like, they openly try in that reading about stuff and they're watching different news.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:54] um, the last night listening to. So mom, some gurus talk. It's a meditation I conversation between Tony house. Yeah. It's basically no conversation between two, uh, two, um, meditation teachers, but ref reflecting on the thought of self-consciousness and it needing it relating to. Other humans. And so think about being in front of dogs, animals,
Josh Janssen: [00:13:26] your pet, the dog that mold the other dog at the Bunnings.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:30] No. Good. No good. Rather, I mean, would you rather that a child or another dog, if you had to choose depending on the dog? Yeah, definitely. But this is, this is the point almost. Also that if you say your pants, you're in front of a crowd of a hundred people, humans, your pants come down, they say your pecker.
Sure. I mean, depending on who you are, you might be just like, you know what I'm packing or it could be for most people like myself, I'd be embarrassed. I'd be, self-conscious, I'd be like, Oh no, you're, you're immediately thinking, what are these humans? Or what are these people in front of me thinking, which is the F a newer feeling of self-consciousness.
Whereas, if you had a bunch of dogs in front of you, that just were Wolfen.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:16] So what's the difference between self-consciousness and self-awareness
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:20] the difference between self-consciousness and self-awareness or what is self-consciousness Matt?
Josh Janssen: [00:14:27] You brought this topic conscious. So yeah, if we look at it, so self conscious, because when we think of self-conscious, normally we think someone.
That it's not, it has negative connotations. Right? If you are self-conscious you, are you feeling negative feelings, right? Do you ever feel self-conscious and feel good?
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:53] No, no, no. I think it's yeah, correlating to a negative experience, but the self conscious. Is ma is determining that you like your very aware of you as a self, like you as a, as a shell and your highly connected to that.
So, you know, the, if, if something happened to you and then it would be directly impacting the person that you think you are. So it is. Self as in the human, the definition
Josh Janssen: [00:15:28] self-consciousness is a heightened sense of self-awareness it's. It is a preoccupation with oneself, as opposed to the philosophy, a philosophical state of self-awareness, which is the awareness that one exists as an individual being though the two terms are commonly used interchangeably.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:49] Hmm, which is interesting. Cause the half the meditation that I'm practicing is, um, about not having as an attachment to self or who I think I am and what I look like, what I sound like and, and lowering the intensity and the connection to that.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:10] Do you think you care what people think more or less? And five years ago,
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:15] much less much as you say that only because I've been practicing every day meditation, but don't you
Josh Janssen: [00:16:25] think like it's interesting.
Cause I would say five years ago you had more bravado. So in summer that's happened to me,
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:36] Josh speech,
Josh Janssen: [00:16:38] but I think like isn't so bravado doesn't necessarily. Like, um, connect to real confidence. So you are more confident now than what you were five years ago, do you think?
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:51] Um, if confidence is correlated to a understanding of my experience or like where I sit in, in the world, so
Josh Janssen: [00:17:03] yeah. What, uh, w what do you think confidence is?
Yeah. So if you step back, what do you think confidence is? I
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:08] know what you're saying. Confidence can be just the willing to give something a crack or, you know, standing up in front of a crowd of people and doing something that seems bold. Most people won't want to do. Um, but then confidence in understand.
So I think there's a real confidence in somebody who isn't as concerned about, um, how they are appearing to everybody else. In the sense of relating to like being the feeling of self-conscious. So like,
Josh Janssen: [00:17:38] yeah. Some of the most insecure people are the most entertaining because they, because of their lack of confidence, they need, they feel like they need to bring a certain energy.
Whereas if you don't have, if you don't feel self-conscious or if you don't feel insecure, you are confident. In silences or not overexplaining yourself or, you know, having to be the loudest person in the room. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:06] Yeah. I mean, it's interesting. The self-conscious relates to self-awareness because you can be highly aware of how you're feeling self-conscious, but there's probably a level of awareness that you can drop away from the feeling of being self-conscious.
So right now I'm looking at your face. Yeah. And then who are you looking back at? Like in my experience in this moment, what am I thinking that you're looking back at?
Josh Janssen: [00:18:33] Can you draw me? Can you draw a capital a on your head? Why I just watched a masterclass on the weekend? And so now I'm an expert.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:42] Yeah.
Cool. So I drew it the way that you're seeing it, not the way that I would see in a
Josh Janssen: [00:18:47] that's all I got. Um, but it is pink who wrote the book, um, drive. So a great book. He, um, he has a master class and it's all about, he used to be a speech writer for presidents is really an interesting guy and it's all about influence and things.
I like that. Is that
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:06] all journey on your head?
Do you think, do you think you were self-conscious?
Josh Janssen: [00:19:16] Uh, no. So here here's an example. Uh, think about the first time we ever recorded the show. Hmm. Think about the cameras and the hate that was coming off the cameras onto our face, that you feel like we have this experience where we're talking, but you feel the camera just there.
And it's like, it's a, it's an energy that pulls you. Did you feel that?
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:37] Definitely. Definitely. You it's like a you and your grounding into yourself. So like the whole ability to sort of let go of. The feeling of you inside a shell, which is your body and thinking that this is the center of your experience, it makes you feel like you're really the center of the experience of life.
And so having cameras on you, you are then thinking about how your inside or the feeling of being inside. So I think that
Josh Janssen: [00:20:05] part of it for me, I think about like how I had that, the cattle Colts or whatever the fuck it was on my face. Still do. Hasn't really like, I keep forgetting that I have it. And then I'll like, watch back the video.
Whereas I feel like previously I would have been thinking or how does it look, do I like, do I need to fucking like, um, clear it up? Do I fucking put something on it? Or like, is it like too obvious? We need to move where the camera, like, I think that, um, yeah, but I think some of it is. Uh, the idea that if you show yourself when you're not always looking your best, it sets up a realistic expectation.
Whereas if you're always, we've always met those people where it's like, they look great on Instagram and in person it's like it's an abomination.
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:54] Yeah. It could be a level of self-conscious those people experienced based on. It's not, it doesn't check out every moment. Do
Josh Janssen: [00:21:02] you know what I think part of the reason why I've stopped caring about how I look on camera is because I looked back at stuff two years ago where I know that I was self-conscious.
I didn't like the way I looked and I look at myself, I'm like, Oh, I look good there. That's all. It's like, hang on. Clearly whether it's body dysmorphia, RA fucking, just like a self conscious. So it's like, okay. Uh, what about if it's actually not the case? Like if. If, uh, there's so much in confidence in being able to communicate.
And so giving yourself the benefit of the doubt in that moment where it's like, actually don't look as bad as I think I look, I think that that's a good spot to be in
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:41] self-conscious. This is purely related to thinking it's like, if there were, and so if there's different thinking. So for instance, it's, it's all thought when you're thinking somebody is, if, when you're a sitting across from somebody you're saying, they're looking at my lip, they're thinking this about my lip, but then
Josh Janssen: [00:22:02] also you put, like, if you are putting that into your mind, That's old that you are waiting for.
You are waiting for the cues. This is to Jess's point yet. Anytime I say, Oh, shit's getting bad or like, fucking get ready for it. She's like, don't put it out in the universe. And I think that part of it is it's like, if it's like, when you I'm driving, if you look at it as you're driving, if it's a, um, if it's a road where you've got cars going, both ways, you don't look at the cars on the other side of the road, because whatever you look at, you end up turning into a little bit.
And so the best thing to do is like, and I guess from a negative perspective is if you go into every conversation and say, Oh, you know what, like preparing for the worst, you'll probably project a worse outcome than if you were thinking positively. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:54] Do you agree? Yeah, definitely. And I think the learning comes for a lot of people when it doesn't happen, because you can still think pretty negatively and the negative outcome doesn't appear.
Um, but the experience of having. The, the spending, the time in a negative place is a spiral of thought because it is just all in your head until it happens.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:18] Isn't it crazy when you wake up in the middle of the night, how much more vulnerable you are to negative thoughts? In what way? So I woke up the other night at like two in the morning and I was like, Hmm, sort of feels like the world's ending.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:36] What did you be watching? Before you went to bed YouTube. No, we can't say that would happen. That doesn't happen.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:43] Not at all. I find that my darkest, darkest thoughts happen at the middle of the night. And then I'm like, you know what? It's in the middle. It's the middle of the night. I think if I go to sleep will actually be better when I wake up and then I'll wake up.
I'm like, ah, it's not as bad.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:01] Nah, nah, I can't say I go negative. Unless it, unless it's just, is something going on in my neighborhood or I hear a noise or something like that, but nah, well, that's a good, that's good. Is it as good
Josh Janssen: [00:24:16] if you go to negative places when you wake up in the middle of the
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:19] night?
Yeah. And so then that is thinking, that's all thinking. And so this, this, this is still meditating every day. This is the strategy of meditation is to. Cool. So you're stuck in your head at that moment. Your you're you're asleep. Your mind is just going, and that is breaking the spell of that too. So for instance, even if you are thinking, you need to believe, it's not even if you are thinking negatively, it is what it is, don't, it doesn't need to be that that is a negative thing, or should be annoyed at yourself.
Breaking the spell of that to come back to thinking about your breathing or just trying to remove the attachment to those thinking is what will shift it. And
Josh Janssen: [00:25:01] are you a guy that stays in the present, do you think from a thinking perspective or
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:06] never? Sometimes
Josh Janssen: [00:25:10] I just feel like I've always constant. Like when I look at a calendar, I like, look ahead, like, what should I be.
Like not stressing about, but like, what is the problem that I'm going to have to solve in the future? So like, that's like the idea of a calendar. Yeah. It's like, okay, we're going to put all the problems on your calendar. And so then. You can check the calendar at any point, just to know what all the problems are.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:36] Now, if you're looking at this, like,
Josh Janssen: [00:25:39] do you know what I mean? But I think it's better knowing it than, you know
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:43] what you mean. You could see everything is problems that are being solved or the things that need a solution
Josh Janssen: [00:25:48] or challenge. I remember I said to a client, you know, we'll help yourself with the problems like our, we don't talk about problems, challenges, you know, Work on challenges.
Okay. Well, I
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:57] can't help you, but, um, no, it's a constant battle, but there is, there is a, um, like it's literally this, this recording that I was listening to last night was talking about the. Um, the is basic. So think about the time that you've been completely consumed. Like, whereas we're speaking slightly matter at the moment about the process of thinking and the time that you have been, nothing could break the spell of the thought process.
That's just happening. It's just, Oh no, that fucking, you know, you're totally grasped by emotion. You could see that as being asleep. Right. You could see that his brain is in autopilot. Your thinking is just happening to you. You cannot control it. If you can break that, the feeling of like, Whoa, like it's almost the equivalent of waking up from a dream.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:50] that compartmentalize then is that what they do they're essentially doing? Or, or do you say, think
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:55] that's still thought? I think if there's the opportunity to say.
Josh Janssen: [00:27:01] So how do you address it? So for instance, it's like the answer isn't, ah, it's not happening it,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:09] turn it off. Exactly. But stop
Josh Janssen: [00:27:11] that thinking.
So then what, what is it? Because we, I guess like, subconsciously we are still reconciling athlete. Like that's why sleep is so good because while we're sleeping, we're fucking processing everything that's happening. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:24] your body's recovering too. I don't fucking know what's going on while I'm sleeping. To be honest, that's a whole like
Josh Janssen: [00:27:28] drain thing.
Like that's. That's all the dream stuff that's like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:32] so put it this way. You could do a meditation right now and whatever problems you have, you can decide to leave them at the door for this five minute period. All your problems come back in five minutes. But if your choices too, for the next five minutes, they're not needing to be thought about in that way.
Put your focus into your breath, the present. This feeling sensations in your body. And so the power of doing that over and over again is the practice of meditation. And it is what the benefit is. It's not to say that you end up getting away from that. It's just breaking the spell, constantly setting up the mindfulness alarm, which is when you're fucking and I, and it is habit, right?
It's habit formation, which means that you meditate enough and think, and put some thought into that. Try and get out of the thinking into some present. Hopefully when you are in a stream of that mess in your mind, you can be, you can have enough perspective or you've built the habit that you can say, Oh fuck, I'm in this again.
There's something about, you know, when you're like, Oh my God, I am fucking worked up. I know. And then it like takes some of the heat out of it. And so that, that is that's the practice. Yeah. And it's not to say that you get away from ever thinking. Uh, you know, literally ever thinking, thinking stops it's as if that's going to happen.
Cause it's cause you don't control it anyway. Yeah. It's a strange thing. You waking up middle of the night. Why are you thinking that you can't answer that for me? Why? You're thinking that unless you're watching YouTube world ending five minutes before
Josh Janssen: [00:29:11] bed. Yeah. The, um, I think that a lot of people are struggling with purpose at the moment, especially like, especially with what's happening in the us with COVID and.
Yeah. I was just listening to a podcast and I got the feeling that what we had six months ago, that that feeling of like, Oh, you know what? Like, especially YouTubers is just listening to a YouTube. It's like, what can I film? And then it's like, what's the, what's the point. If you're just talking about gear all the time,
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:42] the reality of the, the purpose thing.
Is that it is all thought. So you can think that your purpose is to do X, Y, and Z could manifest in feelings, but it's all then still relating back to thinking. And so that's why you can see these YouTubers who all of a sudden don't think that it's their purpose anymore to make YouTube videos about cameras.
And then it has totally sucked out the purpose or the attachment to it that they have. And so. You know, you take away any of these things like jobs or
Josh Janssen: [00:30:18] like travel, travel vloggers. Like what are they thinking right now?
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:23] Oh man. It's, that's pretty tough. There's no travel. I mean, but this is where,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:29] like, I wonder how many people have re-invented themselves.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:33] year. I don't think there's much negative in having your purpose challenged. I think it's man, I think it's a positive. If you thought you were the guy, the girl. And your purpose was X or Y. And then all of a sudden it's taken away from you and you then question because the purpose thing wraps up into your identity and self and what I mean, what I'm about and who people think I am.
And I'm the guy that has all the purpose. It's like, it can be a trap having purpose. Well,
Josh Janssen: [00:31:08] that's like, I think, um, people like Gary V. Spend a lot of time talking about how good they are at self-awareness and it's fucking, it feels like it's a, um, it's like a, I don't know, an oxymoron, like just someone saying or saying that like, so I guess she can be aware.
And just not care what people think. Like, I think that's a big, I think
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:32] we've made it clear that self-consciousness relates to self-awareness, but not in the term of self-awareness to getting closer to being this enlightened, you know, very free and light individual because. Being self-conscious is totally just wrapped up in thought about your, you as a self, you as who out who Josh Janssen is, what that label means and what, who you are.
I mean, you can go so deep in this shit. This conversation I was listening to, it was this guy who. Literally wouldn't acknowledge so many things in this conversation with Sam Harris, the guy that I learned meditation off, because he had the experience in dropped out. He was enlightened and fuck. Yeah, because Sam is challenging him on these things and they just
Josh Janssen: [00:32:18] see of Ella had that guy on his podcast that refused to say that he didn't like any of his previous work
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:25] silly.
Like how do you, you get a bit silly, it can get a bit silly. And that's where. Right. We're all fucking figuring it out. We're all figuring it out. But if you don't have your purpose in, it's gone for the moment. I mean, maybe there is a version of seeding with the experience of what, what you have and who you, who you are beyond all those things, which is a new exploration.
Yeah. I think that
Josh Janssen: [00:32:51] the like identity is interesting. Like it's, um, because it, like, it creeps up on you. It's a thing, like if you think about. Where we were before all of this, like we did like, think about like our relationship thinking about like how all of these things have changed over the last, you know, three, four years.
But it doesn't, you don't necessarily feel it. You feel like the same people, but there's a huge amount of growth. That's very hard to understand. Or, I
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:20] the world's geared towards. Really, um, understanding who you, who you are and building an identity, thinking about it. It's like,
Josh Janssen: [00:33:29] I wonder what, like future, I think is interesting.
So I think that a lot of people get their purpose from their future. Like what the, you know, I'm doing this thing and it's going to help me in the future. And so when things happen, when it feels like the world's ending, like I think people.
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:47] Like genuine grinding. I mean, it kind of feels like it's ending.
Josh Janssen: [00:33:52] The thing is that when you see all these things happen, when you see say, um, even stuff like the Robin hood stuff, all of these things, it's like it's changing the, the coal, why that capitalism, all of these different things have worked. And then we are all sort of the results of those things. And so. Yeah, it's, it's very strange to say, like, it feels like in the past year, so many things have already changed.
So I think about like our perspective of what an office should be or what it could be, and then think about now where it's like, look, it's what what's happened with COVID and, um, you know, being able to access your spaces. And so, yeah, it's very, it's very strange. I think, um, for a lot of people. Because it's like, Oh, you know what, like what the, what is the like, especially if you went to a job, if you just went to a job every day, shut up, had you coffee with your colleagues, you did your work and all that sort of thing.
And then all of a sudden you weren't doing that. There's like a huge amount of like, we've had a huge amount of thinking time. And then on top of that, put a huge amount of stress and strain onto people. It's like, you see all these things happen. Like you see, like I've seen so much change. In the past, in the past year.
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:15] It's been wild and, um, we know nothing. We know nothing. We are nothing
Josh Janssen: [00:35:27] Yeah. It's yeah. I think it's, um, any thoughts? Let us know. Yeah. firstname.lastname@example.org. I would say, yeah, if you've, if you've had a complete, re-invention let us know, like, if, if there's, if it's completely changed, because I think it, like, that's what I love about things like YouTube. And podcast, I'm sure people feel it with the podcast, as well as it's like you were getting to see people evolve and change their thinking.
Think about even when DIA Valor had sort of like that time where he's having panic attacks and he was like talking about it, like that's like huge amount, like huge changes for people. Um, so yeah, it's a. It feels like everyone's having a similar tiniest experience, but we're not necessarily always good at calling it out.
We're always, I'm just like how many people. I've said, man, I just feel tired at the moment. I don't know why it's like a change it's fucking like, and going back to
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:26] work like in a real office, you know, fucking a bit tiring, to be honest. Well,
Josh Janssen: [00:36:31] enjoy the rest of your chewy Tuesday, everyone excited for next week with the, uh, with the new chewy.
Thank you, JB. For the extra. Uh, bubble gum. No, sorry. A bubble mint. Alrighty, have a good one guys. See you tomorrow.