Sharing The Toothbrush

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 824.

Tommy: Happy Monday, Gronks! What's happening? What's going on? How are we?

Josh: I am, uh, I'm very well because, uh, the— can I just say, the shipping in Victoria, you would think that it wouldn't be great with everything that's happening, uh, so postage.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's— I mean, I mean, I think you still go to the post office, I guess. That's still allowed, so it's still open. We've got a few little things going on. I saw an, you know, a little few things getting shipped here. I actually saw yesterday an F45 delivery. So, they do food, they do meals, pre-packaged meals. Got delivered next door and I was surprised it was a Sunday.

Josh: You know, it seems like they're doing more stuff on Sunday because I had— package of the keyboard that I'd been telling you about, the mechanical keyboard, the Keychron K2 keyboard. And it was—

Tommy: oh, look out, fucking change your underwear, it's getting people hot.

Josh: I mean, I've already sent you a video of it and you were saying— I thought it was a nude, to be honest. You were like, 1995 wants their keyboard back. Can I show— can I show everyone on the show?

Tommy: I don't know, we need to put out a disclaimer that's all— so what, what Josh has pulled up is his keyboard that he purchased. And you're the guy that buys one of these. It is the biggest gimmick I've ever heard of in my life. The reason he's tapping it is because the sound of it is the selling point. Tactile keys with dense sound to sound like you're from fucking 1940s using a typewriter.

Josh: And it's also got— I'm not much of a light guy, but it also, it has— I don't know if it's going to show up very well, but it's got lights. It's got lights.

Tommy: It's got— yeah, yeah, it's crossed between, you know, um, fucking a gamer speed. It's like a real gamer. You know what, like I hope it increases your writing and I hope it increases your time spent—

Josh: Already has, already has.

Tommy: That's great, then it's done its job.

Josh: 1,000 words yesterday, I was just fucking typing out. It felt very, very good and didn't need a little wrist rest.

Tommy: Dude, the shit you get into is so great. I love it because it's so beyond, like, I would never in my fucking life think to get something to do something like typing, like get a new keyboard just so I can type. Like, I've got a keyboard, I've got one, I've got a pen. Like, it's a weird one to— and, and the thing is, there's a reason these things exist for guys like you. There's a reason that gaming chairs exist.

Josh: But this isn't gaming.

Tommy: Spider-Man.

Josh: It's not a gaming aesthetic.

Tommy: It's—

Josh: I'm not a gamer.

Tommy: It is weird that they put like on— so what it's, what it's meant for, plus the lights. Like, the lights, the lights are off. I love lights, but just to seem like with the, the blend of someone who is a thoughtful writer and wants the tactile nature plus the neon lights, like you're 16 and want to light your room because you may think it Could you get you laid? I don't know.

Josh: But don't you think there is something— so the problem with the sort of work that we do, especially if we're not out filming stuff, it can feel, uh, like you're missing something. And for me, it's the tactility. Like, you want to feel like you're doing— how do you, how do you sort of create a posture so it actually feels like you're doing some work? And I feel like this clicking and clacking makes me feel like I'm doing something.

Tommy: Yeah, it is all in your head. It is completely all in your head, but that's fine. But, and so what you're saying, like, if it's like, it's the excuse of not having the right camera, buy the fucking right camera. Yeah. And then if you don't do it, don't use it, and then don't use it, but then know that you're, you're full of shit. Like, we're all full of shit, and, but, but it doesn't mean anything. It's not like you're an idiot for buying it. It's like, if it actually works, you can write a book. If it helps. How much was it, by the way?

Josh: $160 delivered.

Tommy: Okay, that's not that crazy. I thought it was like $300.

Josh: And the good thing is, like, the cool thing is you can connect it to your iOS devices. So, I could type text messages on my phone using the Keychron.

Tommy: I mean, I've got some fucking real lengthy ones from you in the past. I'm worried that you'd be pumping out more lengthy ones to me.

Josh: Oh, definitely. Can I, from the notes perspective, I've changed the way that I take notes and I write. I was big with Notion. What are you using at the moment? You were big on Biscuit.

Tommy: Biscuit is just a way to access all of the things that you use. So, if I just open up my Biscuit, I've got something called Quick Notes. And you know that pain of like, I wanna write something down on my computer, but I don't wanna have to go and try and open a new doc and have then a doc where I need to save, blah, blah, blah. Or a Google Drive. And so anyway, I've just got notes, and in that is just like a notes section where I just quickly write shit down. What's the software called? Oh, sorry, sorry, it's Accessing My Notion. And so it's in this— Accessing My Notion— where I have a page that is called notes. And there's nothing— like, if I lost it, it wouldn't matter. It's not like I'm trying to— it's, you know, on a call. I mean, I won't lose it because it's digital. If I lost it, you'd be worried about my that. How did you do that? But it's just where I just quickly write out anything I need. Yeah, that's about it.

Josh: The thing with Notion, I've gone off Notion, and the main reason is, is that it's too difficult from an input perspective to do stuff really quickly. So with Notion, so what you were describing there, you're using another app to have it there and all, like, it sort of works if you're, if you're on your computer, it's fine.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: The phone with Notion is a bit of a pain because it's sort of like there's multiple presses. It doesn't load that well. Sometimes you go to edit the text and it fucks up.

Tommy: I panicked the other day on my phone. This is the thing, you need something cross-platform. And so, I panicked and I still use Notes on my, like my Apple Notes.

Josh: Can I suggest something. It's $2.99, I think, a month. But I think $2.99, it's changed my life. Yeah, what would it have to be to be $299? A new car? Um, no. So I think it's $2.99. Yeah, it's $2.99. Um, yes, it's called Drafts.

Tommy: Drafts.

Josh: So I've been using Drafts for a while, but now that I've actually like worked it all out and I've been using my keyboard and I've set everything up properly, it has, it has changed my life this weekend.

Tommy: And I mean, I'm sure Georgie Boy could put together a montage of all the different software, of the, the, the, the note-taking software specifically. Yeah, because there has been a bunch. Like, you have bought— what was the thing Mr. 97 was using and still is? Something about like note-taking or to-do lists. It's all—

Josh: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's still a lot. There's a lot.

Tommy: He bought that. You bought that.

Josh: Yeah. Well, there's Scrivener as well, which I use for specific sort of my memoir. But the— So, the thing with Drafts, which is really great, is so there's a section on there where you can quickly export to different things. Great. And so, think of Drafts as you are drafting text of any form. It has tags, so you could have project-specific tags, work tags, whatever it is. And you also— my favourite function in the whole thing is there is on, you know, widgets on your phone. Yeah, on the, the far, the far, you know, you swipe right, you go far left.

Tommy: It's a quick access to weather or news or—

Josh: yes. And they are, with the, with iOS 14, they are going to be, um incorporating the widgets so they're actually on the home screen and all of that sort of stuff, right? Anyway, the widget of Drafts is sick because what you can do is, uh, there's a button where it creates a new note. So the first one is a plus button and you create a new note. The one along from that is a button where if you press it, it will create a note with whatever is in your clipboard. So if you copy a URL— so I'm sick of having on Chrome, Safari, just tabs open. I'm a no-tab guy now. I don't want it when I open Chrome, no tabs. So if someone sends something to me and I need to, um, I'm like, oh fuck, I need to keep this for later, I need to do something with this, I can— you can do one of two things. You could press the copy, uh, you could copy the text and then press the button to create a new, uh, note based on the clipboard. Or the other thing that you could do is, you know, on Chrome and Safari there's the little share icon on the top right of, um, of the app. You can press that and then you can share it to Drafts. And then it's, um, the reason why you pay for it— it's— I think there is a free version, but the $2.99 gives you the cross-device. So it works on my Mac, it works on my phone. I can start typing something on my Mac and then pick it up on my phone. What do you think?

Tommy: Well, I mean, it sounds great. I mean, it sounds a little bit more advanced than Notes. Like, I surprised Diavella. Matt Diavella uses Notes on his iPhone.

Josh: He does.

Tommy: And that's cross between his computer and here. And so I don't know, it's— I mean, I could spend a whole day. I mean, I'm looking at my schedule now. I reckon I'm A whole day to draft.

Josh: Yeah, no, you can definitely—

Tommy: look, mate, I had a few things on today that were probably better for us as a business, but, um, I reckon I'm gonna go deep.

Josh: But you can also, like, they've got a whole, um, a marketplace of, um, or they call a directory.

Tommy: Trade Unites?

Josh: No, it's Actions. So, um, so for instance, you could have an action, you can set up an action. This is where I think it could be handy for you. Um, if you're still in Notion and loving Notion, I'm not loving it.

Tommy: I don't have a lot— like, my problem is if I start loving something, I like it. I don't love any of these things.

Josh: You're worried that you fall— you're gonna fall for it? You're gonna fall hard?

Tommy: You know, I've got—

Josh: I don't want to get hurt.

Tommy: The only one I love, I love Xero, and I think it's just, it's just what we've been using.

Josh: And it's—

Tommy: there's competitors out there, but I think it's— it is like the one subscription that I would— that I love. If it didn't have business, I'd still have Xero.

Josh: Well, they used to have— back in the day, they had a personal finance product that they discontinued. Yeah. Um, anyway, I thought that that was something that was interesting if people are looking for a way of taking notes. For me, it's like becoming my, um, what's it called, uh, not something that you put up your ass, because I always get confused between the two. Um, a repository. Is it repository something where you store a bunch of notes? I always confuse it with the thing that you put up your ass.

Tommy: I think it's a suppository. Yeah, suppository is another way to—

Josh: I have a repository.

Tommy: I didn't know that. Repository, a place where a, uh, receptacle, or a place where, or receptacle in which things are or may be stored. Fuck, I mean, that was a hard way of just saying that's where shit gets stored.

Josh: Yeah, it's a repository. No, but it's like a— no, like it's— yeah.

Tommy: And so— and sorry, I cut you off. You said if you're loving Notion—

Josh: yeah, so you can— there is an action where you can just, uh, press a button and it can go to Notion. So you could set up draughts as your easy first step, and then whether you're using Roam or Notion or whatever app you're using, you you can quickly send it.

Tommy: All right, so hang on, you're the no apps guy or the low apps guy on your phone. If you are putting this one in, what are you taking out? What's getting dumped?

Josh: Oh mate, I took out so many yesterday, so I'm nearly on one screen.

Tommy: Um, so but what are you using? Well, it's not— no, no, so what are you replacing if Drafts is the thing?

Josh: Well, so I always had Drafts in on the phone, but I just hadn't properly sort of committed to it. So I had an attempt at this 6 months ago, but now I've worked out the tagging function, I've worked out the, um, the copy and paste, the, the clipboard thing has changed everything for me.

Tommy: Okay, all right, we'll cheque back in 6 months' time. Uh, put in the show notes, Sevs, cheque it in 6 months' time to see how Drafts is going.

Josh: What did you do?

Tommy: Because that's— what did I do on the weekend? Well, uh, it was great. I— we, we decided not to give Bodhi screen time Saturday at all. Like, he, he wasn't allowed to watch any TV, any television. He's walking around saying, I'm not, I'm not watching television, not watching television. Anyway, so we had fun. We ended up building a, a slide down the staircase with cardboard, which was bloody fun. Always wanted to do it as a kid. I did it with boogie boards and would put my, like, a knee through the wall at the bottom of it. So, I learnt. I learnt how to do it properly.

Josh: Yeah, you sent a video where there was a mattress set up.

Tommy: Yep. It was perfect. It was perfect. And so—

Josh: How long? So, there's the setup and then how long do you actually— So, it's going down the stairs with, like, it's made of cardboard. It's a slide. And then Bodhi's sliding. Did you slide down it?

Tommy: Nah, because I'm too heavy. So would you. Amy's, we're all too heavy. Your ass bumps on each stair, whereas Bodhi glides across the top of them because he's light as a feather. And so it got used for probably 20 minutes.

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: And then we took it down. He went hard 20 minutes and then he kind of, it kind of fell apart.

Josh: What else did you do to alleviate the anxiety of no telly?

Tommy: Oh, it was just, we went out walking, you know, get him out playing in the front yard, backyard. It's, yeah, I mean, thankful that we have a place that has a front and backyard. And so there was a lot of that going on. But then we needed some bit of respite. I definitely think a few weeks into this lockdown, Bode's feeling it, like his attitude is like, you know, he's being a bit naughty. Like he's doing stuff that he wouldn't normally do. And I think it's because he's going a bit stir crazy. And so, and so am I. Ego depletion.

Josh: Yeah. What is it? Ego depletion. He's run out of willpower.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely. I don't know how much willpower he had.

Josh: It was very small. Yeah.

Tommy: Kids usually have very little willpower. They wouldn't even understand it. Anyway, we wanted a bit of a break. And so, last night we did a date night and, you know, we're like children. We got to be home by 8. There's not where— There's nowhere to go either. And so, it's not like—

Josh: Is that because of the curfew or just you've got to be home?

Tommy: Uncle Dan's told us that we have to be home. Curfew's in place. You can't be out after 8. And so anyway, this is what a date night in isolation in stage 4 lockdown looks like here in Melbourne. We got in the car at about 6. Amy's sister looked after Bodhi, and she lives with us. And so we just cruised, got in the car, drove, drove past a pizza place, thought, oh, maybe we'll get that, like getting takeaway. We ended up going to KFC drive-through.

Josh: Of course, you'd already put it into your maps when you got in the car. Oh well, we ended up here. How did that happen?

Tommy: Got some, got some Colonel, went and parked in a dark side street.

Josh: Great.

Tommy: And we ate, and we ate it, and then, um, we just hung out, talked, went and then got some ice creams from Coles. So like some Gay Times that were in a box, so it comes with 4, just You know, had one of those. Well, we tried, we went out on a limb and tried a different flavor. It was like a Krispy Kreme style.

Josh: Oh yeah, like glazing.

Tommy: No, well, it's like the inside's meant to taste like a doughnut and the outside's meant to, the outside is meant to sort of replicate glazing crumb or something.

Josh: Anyway, at that point, just don't mess with the donut.

Tommy: Never, don't mess with the outside of a gay time. That is the winning.

Josh: That is it.

Tommy: That's the thing. That is it.

Josh: I think Gay Time is a, is a, is, yeah, it's not a great ice cream personally.

Tommy: Well, I mean, but it's, it is the outside of it that, that is the winner.

Josh: I agree. I agree. But I think that that's just based on the hierarchy of the, the whole ice cream not being an A-player.

Tommy: Yeah. And so then we ended up driving close to our house. We didn't want to go back because we thought Bodhi definitely won't be asleep yet. We don't want— we want to get back. It's all— it's— you're trying to always get back when they're in bed.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: And so it feels like it's a longer period of time you've had off. And then, um, so we ended up parking.

Josh: What time was it by this point?

Tommy: Oh mate, it was late. It was 7, 7:15.

Josh: Okay, yeah, great.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So you'd smashed everything. So you left at what time?

Tommy: 6. Okay.

Josh: It was—

Tommy: we had a 2-hour, 2-hour day. And then we get to close by to our house, did a few laps around the block and then decided to park. There's this spot where you can actually see the CBD. And so you can see the big buildings lit up and we parked and then we thought, oh, fuck, we got Netflix on our phone, on the phone. Do you have Netflix on your phone?

Josh: I used to, deleted it. Cheeky screen time is what's going on.

Tommy: And so, what I ended up doing was just propping, had it plugged into the car, so I had surround sound and put Netflix on and it was on the dashboard.

Josh: What did you watch?

Tommy: I was annoyed I didn't have my Quad Lock in the car. I would have had a perfect Quad Lock Netflix viewing. And so, yeah, we've been watching something called Kingdom, which I mentioned. It's a show about a UFC gym in Venice Beach, California, and it's awesome. It's awesome. Anyway, that consisted the date night of drive-through. It was a contactless, contactless date.

Josh: Did you have to wear a mask at any point?

Tommy: Oh, I was almost going to put one on as we went through drive-through, but I was like—

Josh: How'd you go to— How'd you get the gay time?

Tommy: Oh, Amy went in, so she put a mask on, obviously. And so anyway, it was a successful date night. And I don't even know—

Josh: When you got home, was Bodhi asleep? Was he in bed at least?

Tommy: Yeah. Oh, that's good. He'd been a little angel.

Josh: Oh, that's perfect. So, and do you explain it to him? Do you say, look, we're having a date night, this never happens, can you just be good?

Tommy: Nah, we left and he was losing it. And so we just got out of there. Got out of there.

Josh: Was he losing it because you guys were going?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Yeah. So you can't win. And then, and then he's fine as soon as we're gone. It's so annoying. That's the deal, guys. That's the deal. That's the date night deal in isolation. I don't even know if that's allowed. Like, I don't know if you're meant to be out, but if you're even meant to be sitting in your car watching Netflix. But what are they going to do?

Josh: I mean, it would be a good news article, you know, couple— oh yeah, yeah, trying it out, watching Netflix. Oh god, that's nice. It's nice that you had a good night. Um, yeah, Bree and I have started sharing a toothbrush.

Tommy: Come on, man. I mean, I've done it. I won't judge you too hard. I've done it and it's always been mine. I haven't had one to get. Like, it's been in the— especially when I mean, like, I'd fly up to Sydney, you might forget my toothbrush when we were doing long distance. And then you end up just getting your own one there, so you solve that problem. But why? What are you doing?

Josh: Well, no, because, uh, Bree was at the Bree was at the shops on, she must have, I don't know, she must have came home from a walk or something on Saturday. And I had, I was watching an unboxing video of a toothbrush, not a mechanical toothbrush, an electronic, electrical toothbrush. And she said, what are you watching? I said, electrical toothbrush. The boys were making fun of me for my shit toothbrush the other day. And she's like, ah, okay. And I just left it at that because my 30th is coming up. I'm sort of fucking coming up with ideas. I'm trying to work out, like I never, I don't like, I feel like as I get older, I don't buy as much, even though I talk about every single thing I buy, I don't buy that much stuff really. Other than—

Tommy: You got a small house. There's not much space for you to fit your shit.

Josh: Yeah, and so, um, yeah, I was looking at all different options and then Bree went to Woolworths and she said, hey, which, which toothbrush was it? I was like, oh, you know, it's the fucking IQ Series 9, blah blah blah. It was like, I'm like, I actually don't need, I don't need something that crazy. Like, you don't need to spend over $100 on a toothbrush.

Tommy: You can't know easily.

Josh: Yeah, so it was like $100 and the one that I'd been looking at was like $190. And I was like, oh, why? And she said, there's one on sale and it's down to $70. Do you want me to get it? I said, yes, yes, please. And then when I brought it home, it was such a good experience that Bri was like, I think I want one. And so, what we ended up doing, how good is this? You get multiple heads. You get two heads with it. And so, Bree has a head and I have a head, and now she's getting a head holder that will go in the bathroom and she'll have her head, I'll have my head.

Tommy: Mate, this is old school. Like when I— Yeah, it's an interesting thought because a lot of people have their own toothbrush, but then when you're in a relationship or you've got a family, like when I was growing up, we had an electric toothbrush. I think it was probably ahead of the times back then. Mum and Dad probably spent a bit of money on it, but it was one for three boys. And so it was— there's a few things though, there's a few issues with them. Um, I said to Amy over the weekend, so I have an old shitty toothbrush, which is annoying. I should invest.

Josh: Was a toothbrush— was it an issue? Were you talking toothbrushes on the weekend?

Tommy: Well, I just— so my issue is, hey Amy, why do you not put your electric toothbrush back on its holster? And because every time I bend down, my elbow knocks it because it's not in the spot, or I like somehow either side, if it's not in its place, which is away from the sink slightly, I elbow it or I knock it over. And so I was just— I was like, I don't get this. Why, why not put it back on the charge? And here's the reason: because once— if it's not dry when you're putting it back on, when you put it back onto the charging bay slightly wet, it builds up like a sort of like a fucking disgusting gunk on the bottom. Like, it builds up this sort of— because it might have a bit of toothpaste still in there.

Josh: You need to clean it. You need to— I think especially when you're sharing You need to make sure that everyone's cleaning their head.

Tommy: Well, the head, but then there's also the bottom of it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so—

Josh: I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But so, I don't know, is that a reason to—

Josh: So, is she putting it on us on the side?

Tommy: Well, it should just go back to where it's meant to go.

Josh: Yeah, but where is she putting it? Where you're bumping into it?

Tommy: Yep.

Josh: What I'm just trying to work out is what is— What's the benefit of the way that she's putting it down versus putting it on the charger?

Tommy: Putting it down for it to dry versus putting it back onto the charging point, which it will go— the water would go down onto the bottom of the charging plate.

Josh: So it just needs to dry with a little towel. Like, I think I've done that, like, just with the— my towel just at the bottom, giving it a solid just wipe around. Yeah, but then we also remove the head. The head comes off and goes— it will go on the head holder when we have it. It goes in.

Tommy: I remember the fights, like, as a kid there was definitely fights going on. I remember having one where you'd put the head in and it would close a lid, and so it was like a concealed—

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: Area, and you'd press a button, it would open up and push all the heads up, and then you put it back in and it'll close it down. And so, I mean, they've changed a bunch. And so you're happy with yours?

Josh: It's so good. So mine is— So there were two versions. One was the, um, uh, Oral-B 100, and I got the Oral-B 800, and the 800 has 3D cleaning.

Tommy: What is 3D cleaning?

Josh: I don't quite know. I was expecting— I thought I was going to get 3D glasses that I got to put on during, but, um, there is a lot of buzzwords around marketing toothbrushes. There's so many, but also there's so many different. So, when Bri was trying to determine which toothbrush to get, you know, you're meant to be there getting essential stuff. It seems a little obnoxious to be in an aisle having a conversation trying to work out what series number you want. But they need Apple or someone to fix their name. I mean, Apple's still not great with their iPhones lately. There's fucking— Can I— I'll read to you all the different RLB. Here we go.

Tommy: Like the tricky names that they have for each of the individual.

Josh: Exactly. Like if I have a look. Here we go. Stand by. I'm just having a look on their website because Bri was like, okay, just go on to the RLB website and make sure that you are happy with the the one that we're getting, right? So, electric toothbrushes, find yours. All right, my God. So there's the, the Genius 9000, the Genius 8000, the Smart 4, the Pro 500, the Vitality. This doesn't even include my one. This is the problem, like they've just, they've actually simplified it, but the, um, It's too much. The—

Tommy: I don't know why they go such big names, but there has to be a reason. Have they done 7,999 other versions and now they're on version 8,000?

Josh: Well, the thing is that I think it's brushing. So look at— looking at the— between the Genius 9000 and the— and sort of the Smart 4, it's, uh, built-in brushing modes. So you have— oh yeah, but the thing is I don't even know how to fucking change my brushing mode. Yeah, I am. I just have it on the same brushing mode. I, I will say though, brushing your tongue is a little bit more difficult with an electric toothbrush.

Tommy: Oh yeah, there's, um, there is one I saw, Sam Sheffer, a YouTuber, New York dude. He was posting about a toothbrush, Oral-B. It's clearly sponsored post, but it looked pretty insane.

Josh: Philips do a good one. When I was Melbourne Geek, Philips sent me a toothbrush.

Tommy: Did they?

Josh: Yeah, but look how white my teeth are. Like, it really— it says it gets rid of 100% more plaque.

Tommy: That means nothing. That means nothing.

Josh: You think they're faking their numbers?

Tommy: Well, the selling point for me was always that you could do the same brush as a toothbrush, but like triple the speed. So it's like you could spend 30 seconds brushing your teeth with an electric one and it would be like 2 and a half minutes of using.

Josh: No, it's way less. Like, I was really just like, I was brushing. How much do you brush your gums?

Tommy: I don't brush— like, I brush my teeth that are on my— what do you mean?

Josh: Well, you should be brushing your gums. Oh God, they can be like buildup and stuff.

Tommy: Lynn's come out of there.

Josh: Lynn, Lynn Jenkins is on the show, dental nurse. And so, um, yeah, it's, uh, no, but so the first, the first day I went too hard and there was a little bit of blood, but I was like, there was something in it. I don't know if you've ever had this, right? But I'm like, Fuck. Like, when I go to the dentist next, they are going to fucking not know what's hit them. Like, you can see, I don't feel like dentists really talk about electric toothbrushes that much. And I reckon at this moment I'm like—

Tommy: They're always flogging them. They've always got one for sale at the dentist.

Josh: I feel like I never hear it. And so, my theory was, and maybe this is just a conspiracy theory that's not true, I was thinking it's too good. If we all started using electric toothbrushes, we wouldn't have to go to the dentist.

Tommy: Yeah, but habits, it's like saying if people started realising that exercise was actually good for you.

Josh: But people are brushing their teeth every day. Like it's a habit. It's all it's doing is changing. I'm becoming a 3-day, like a 3 times a day brusher.

Tommy: I mean, is that any good? Would Lynn Jansen suggest that?

Josh: No, I don't know. I've just come up with that. No, but you just hear people where it's like, yeah, I brush my teeth after lunch.

Tommy: Yeah, but then there's, I mean, that's a working from home thing for sure. Nice.

Josh: I mean, you brush your, you would always brush your teeth at work?

Tommy: No, that's only 'cause I forgot in the morning if I was fucking getting Bodhi prepared and then I'd get to work. And so I had no excuse. I was like, have one at the office just in case. But now I've got a routine of in the shower and I've been having a shower every morning. That's my change in routine since being at home. Like first thing, and then I brush teeth in shower. So it's like, you know, batching the habit.

Josh: I tried to—

Tommy: it works.

Josh: I tried to give myself a neckline, uh, over the weekend because I was like— and a beard. With my beard, I've done a horrendous— look at it. I look like— it's not bad. It reminds me—

Tommy: are you on Jersey Shore, bro?

Josh: Well, it reminds me of when I was in the Philippines we can post a photo on the Instagram account. And, um, I got a, a haircut and shave, and the guy's like, what do you want to do with the shave? I'm like, oh, whatever you think looks good. And so he gave me like a Craig David, like, thin line. It's just the whole thing, it was great. It really didn't suit me. Um, oh, it'd suit you and your keyboard. Yeah. The keyboard is really great. I've also, one thing that I'm testing this week, so last week really good screen time, all that sort of thing. This week I'm adding another thing.

Tommy: Oh yeah, what was it? Can we do a comparison? Because I was worried you came out of retirement on Thursdays, which is now your new rule. Thursdays you get to jump onto the Instagram. But then I saw yesterday you followed someone on Twitter, so You're on Twitter. I don't know, it said, um, maybe it was from a while ago, but it just gave me a notification that you're doing something on Twitter. So you're following Bill Gates. You followed Bill Gates recently. When did you do that?

Josh: I was thinking about Bill Gates. I don't feel like I followed him on Twitter.

Tommy: What—

Josh: why was I thinking about Bill Gates? Oh yeah, I was trying to work out. So I'm reading a book called, uh, How Not to Die. It's a— It's a cook— There's a cookbook to it. And so, Brienne and I have the cookbook as well. The guy, the doctor has a website called nutritionfacts.org and he just takes all of the literature around nutrition and writes about it. That's his shtick. And—

Tommy: Oh, this is perfect, JJ. I've, um, I've just pulled up my screen time and I was thinking about telling you this over the weekend. The, uh, from your suggestion of deleting just a few apps, I haven't deleted everything, but even just getting rid of Facebook on my phone, because I can still post on my computer, I'm down 11%. That's great. Last week I was down 11%. So my average last week was 5 hours and 47 minutes.

Josh: Oh, that's so good.

Tommy: And what was—

Josh: Well, so I'm trying to see where's my average.

Tommy: Just swipe across on the screen time week.

Josh: So a week there you go.

Tommy: So swipe across.

Josh: So it was up 13%, okay, 13%. But remember, I had the huge drop of over 40% the week before. And keep in mind, Thursday, the Thursday was a huge day for me. So every day was like— So I look at Friday was 5 hours and 50 minutes. Saturday, 5 hours 40 minutes. Wednesday, 4 hours 45. Thursday, when I downloaded Instagram again, 11 hours and 41 minutes. Keep in mind though, keep in mind that that is including Monopoly.

Tommy: Sure, sure. Okay.

Josh: And so, and so the thing— so the things that I'm, I'm doing a bunch of stuff because I, I'm turning 30 and 28 days. And so I've got a bit of it like, JJ, come on, let's get your shit together. And so one of the things, um, Bree and I are cooking from this How Not to Die cookbook. It is great, very simple recipes. But the, um, one thing that I'm trying, trialing, is to do 1 hour of YouTube a week. And so this is where draughts come in. If I find something online where I'm like, this is a video I want to watch, copy the link, paste it in, put it into my YouTube, um, like hour session. And then I open up Drafts, I go to that tag, and I can have the consumption. So compartmentalising and just batching that consumption so I'm not fucking spending all day on YouTube.

Tommy: Yeah, sure. And so what was your average last week with the slight increase? But we now have the caveat.

Josh: Bree's also made this fucking, um, um, what's it like, some sort of vinegar, um, what's it got, cayenne pepper drink.

Tommy: It sounds horrible.

Josh: Yeah, it's, it's meant to be good for digestion. Um, here we go.

Tommy: I was 5 hours 47 minutes.

Josh: So average, where's the average going? I need to click week, don't I? Uh, 6 hours and 42. Not good, not good, not good. And so what are your apps though in that So the apps are Chrome at 9 hours, Messages at 7 hours, uh, Spark, which is the email, at 1 hour 30, Monopoly 1 hour 30, Pocket Casts 1 hour 30, phone 41 minutes, Settings 29. I spent 29 minutes in Settings. What was it? What the fuck am I doing?

Tommy: You know what's crazy though is that you look at the total screen time in a week. What was your total screen time in a whole week?

Josh: So this— okay, the total screen time. Yeah, sure.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, in a week.

Josh: And then I've got another thing, 46 hours and 57 minutes. Still way too high.

Tommy: Well, I put in 40 hours. That's a fucking work week, dude.

Josh: Yeah, I was doing 60 hours the other week of phone. Do you know what's really interesting? Last week's average— go down. And look at, um, last week's average for pickups. How many times in a day on average are you picking up your phone?

Tommy: Um, last week average was 99.

Josh: Okay, I'm 130.

Tommy: It's yours. Yeah, dude, I mean, if—

Josh: imagine if, um, how many notifications do you get? Last week's average, 101. 109 for me. And that's just— what's your breakdown?

Tommy: Messages. Yeah, 235 messages.

Josh: Mine, 580— 588 messages, 36 New York Times notifications, 22 calendars, 11 WhatsApps.

Tommy: That's, that's phenomenal. 20— yeah, yeah, the thing is, imagine if like workplaces found time, like started asking employees to show their screen time. So they're trying to work out like how much time at work are you putting in, because a lot of it's overlapping in the work day, especially home time. I mean, this is where it's just shaking up what it means to have a job these days and what we're doing in exchange for money.

Josh: I mean, tracking has been criticized.

Tommy: There's a, um, uh, it doesn't create higher productivity. It's, it's like people are on edge. It's tracking softwares people end up just like retro-tracking, so they're just writing in what they think they did.

Josh: And the thing is, that's known to be like timesheets and stuff, known to be super inefficient. People underestimate, they don't do a great job at it. But the thing is, um, what a UK company, I feel like connected to BBC in some way, they were criticized. There was some desk tracking that was going on where they were.

Tommy: Sensor.

Josh: Yeah, seat sensor, like you see at fucking Shoppo when you're trying to find a car park. And so they would know how long you were at your seat for. Yeah, not really a good indicator of how much fucking work you're doing.

Tommy: Absolutely not. I had a moment yesterday where I was like, fuck, like the, the whole, um, Universal Basic Income thing Removing what it would do politically to the world, like how the sort of pushback and the what it would mean in terms of like, uh, being like a focus on your happiness or mental health. Like, what if you took off money as an issue? Not saying— so you're not rich, you're not poor, you just have money, you have what you need to survive, and then what? And, and that pushing people to work out the 'and then what' is huge because you think about these impoverished communities that are just, they're transfixed on fucking, we need cash, we need to get some food on the table. Like, removing all that, what does it do to humanity? I don't know, but I was thinking about even for myself that I have money, I don't have much money, I can survive, but we're in a time now where it's almost the closest thing to universal basic income. Jobs people being on— most people are on $1,500 a fortnight based on JobKeeper in the last 6 months.

Josh: And so JobSeeker was upped as well, that was upped.

Tommy: And so what, what, how can you— what does that look like? What does it look like to think about your, your head a bit more and do the work there if that becomes your job? And then anything above that is like because you wanted to, not because you had to.

Josh: Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, I think it is interesting. You think about status, money is used as a way of determining status, or it's sort of a status symbol.

Tommy: Um, well, they've definitely been constructed, right? It's like the whole stat— the status thing is a result of what money does, like what it brings you. And, and yeah, status is in itself, like, other than hierarchy of the food chain status, there is a construction of status as well. Like, just because you have cash doesn't mean you're real. Like, you're, you're in a certain game, a status game of money. So against other people that don't have cash, or if you're looking at people from a financial perspective, then there's the status But other than that, it's like you're rich if you're fulfilled in your heart. And, you know, there could be some yogi that doesn't have any money but is the happiest person, like, and so they're rich in one aspect but just not cash. And so what's the status there? How do you compare that status of someone who—

Josh: Status is only relevant if you play the game. So if you're not playing the game, then it becomes irrelevant. But if you look, like, there's so many, like, even look at, um, face masks. There were like, there are status games going on on what type of face mask do you have. Do you have some fucking hipster handmade one? Do you have it? Did you make your own? That's like, that's high status now. It's like, if you can make your own, it's like you can sew, like, it's a good flex, like Fuck, if shit gets really bad, like, that's— I like— so yeah, status I feel like will always exist. Status could be like, look at health, like it is a high— like having a, like a super, uh, healthy diet is considered this high status thing. One thing that was really interesting which I saw, um, I saw this, this thread a few weeks back on Twitter, and it was like, what is high status for wealthy people, but would be considered— but the same thing would be considered low status for a poor person, right? Oh, great. What are they? And so, one of them, which I thought was brilliant, was learn— knowing 2 languages. So, if you think about it, if, you know, wealthy people or whatever, it's, "Oh my God, they speak another language." But then you think about the how many people around the world who aren't necessarily that financially secure or whatever it is who fucking know multiple languages and it's not considered high status.

Tommy: What about people doing things for you? As a rich person, you have, you know, butlers and maids and whatever it may be. But then, a higher status thing for some people without the means to be able to do that version is, I have ownership and I can do everything myself. I do everything myself. I am the guy that fucking looks after all of this versus I am the guy that has my suit fucking pressed and put on. Yeah, it's like, it's real. That seems like it's what it's— I think it's a same similar example.

Josh: Well, I think that— but it's also the, um, yeah, I mean, the interesting thing is what's going to happen with work ethic or what's happening. Like, I, um, I think about what we're able to do now and the type of work we're taking on and being able to sort of be a little bit more like selective in some ways. And so it does— when they're like JobKeeper, all of these things have taken off pressure for people, but pressure is sometimes necessary to move us forward. And so I do wonder in the future what it will mean. Like, I feel like there's definitely, um, yeah, like, I, I'm sure that all of these things will be culture-changing forever.

Tommy: Definitely. Definitely. I mean, cultures change by people's perspectives changing and people's needs, core needs changing. And so when, when there's a mass amount of people that have gained a new perspective of, I'm not pushing as hard as I thought, like for that game that I was just thrusted into and I didn't realise I was playing, but I was a part of it. And so it's like I don't know, I probably think more about the ability to live anywhere and do the thing that we're doing and be really happy. And, and, you know, whether it's fucking down the coast or just feeling that connected, connectedness. And so if people's core, you know, someone who really valued human connection was like, yeah, mate, I gotta be in the office, you know, it's like, and then you're thrust into this where it's like we talk every day, we have a whole team that we're talking with every single day. And it feels similar. Like, I'm getting the same feeling of like that.

Josh: Are you surprised by that?

Tommy: Yeah, in a way, but I am also like delighted based on what I feel the future is going to become. So it's like, it makes a lot of sense, and it's like, fuck, I think it's like you start saying the stars have aligned. It's like, of course this is what's meant to happen because that's what the future is going to become. Then you're like, I'm feeling this way because it's like, yeah, this is— we're shifting with what, what's going to become the normal. And so if you're resistant to it, that resistance is going to— is— could be emitting some negative vibe within yourself. And so if you push back on the workplace, push back on how it's changing, it's like it's disempowering.

Josh: So, trying to get things to go back to, like, if you're attached to the past, or it can, I guess it's, it can be a bit of an issue, like, especially right now. Like, I feel like for someone who, like, I love travelling so much, I'm proud that I've been able to just disregard, like, I haven't really obsessed over when am I going to be able to travel, like, I've just accepted it. And then as soon as we can, as soon as we're like, shit's good, we have a fucking vaccine, it's all like going and flying is no longer a selfish thing to do. I'm fired up, I can't wait. I'm gonna go watch the Astros, um, and the Phillies, you know, go do a big baseball tour, have some hot dogs.

Tommy: It's not a bad idea, but the thing is you're not allowed to do it for content. It's actually—

Josh: I'm just literally just— yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, Josh, Josh, uh, Josh is gone for 6 weeks. I haven't heard from him. We've stopped doing the show because, uh, he wanted to go on a baseball tour.

Josh: That's good fun.

Tommy: Oh, that's good.

Josh: Do you know where you want to go? Have you got any anywhere where you're like, fuck, I really want to— No, not for us. Tassie. I think Tassie will be there.

Tommy: Oh yeah, no, we actually want to go Tassie too. We've got, um, Bodie's got a friend down in Tassie.

Josh: Oh really? Yeah, just MSN friends.

Tommy: No, he— a kid from his old daycare, a little sweetheart. And so they, um, sometimes they send each other— they get photos and we send them little videos. It's awesome. And so we'd like to go down and see them and just— it seems like an easy one as a first as well.

Josh: Yeah, very short flight, or even you could do the boat if you wanted to. Would you do the boat or plane? What do you think? Uh, car's handy.

Tommy: Yeah, you'd probably Car's very handy and it's a novel experience for young Bodhi on a boat.

Josh: The boat.

Tommy: Anyway, great.

Josh: All righty, uh, it's a Daily Chalk Show, uh, hi@thedailychalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see you tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.