Chickens In The 'Burbs

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 825.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on? How are we this morning, JJ?

Josh: Uh, very good. It is Tuesday here in Melbourne. It is a beautiful day.

Tommy: Did something different this morning, uh, needed to give Amy a little time to herself to sleep because she didn't get to sleep until 1 AM.

Josh: What was she doing? On the wines?

Tommy: No, she just couldn't sleep and she was up researching chickens.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: So, yeah.

Josh: What about—

Tommy: I'll get to that a bit later.

Josh: I'm excited about that. I'll get to that a bit later. Have you ever had someone that's revealed an announcement for you? So, in that Disney documentary where there's the Frozen bit, there's a scene where the film crew is filming something and they reveal a surprise for someone and they They fucked it, basically. Have you ever had that? Thanks, Brisa.

Tommy: Not to a huge extent, but I'm sure— Oh, I dropped my brother. I told my brother what we were doing for his bucks and I fucked it. I fucked it. It was just one part of it, but it was just annoying because— What's the vengeance piece?

Josh: Nothing.

Tommy: You're going to be set on fire at a strip club. No, no, no, no. That did happen, but another story. Go-karting. I told him that we were going go-karting. Anyway, very bad.

Josh: Just to be honest, I reckon I could have guessed. What, go-karting?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just annoying because I didn't mean to do it.

Josh: Mini golf as well. Did you play mini golf?

Tommy: No, I didn't play mini golf. Oh, actually we did at Kitten's. Anyway, anyway, anyway, this morning I went for a drive. I went into the office to just, uh, I had the storey down pat just because it's 10Ks away from my house. You're not meant to be driving. I did want to make sure that the office was okay. That was not my first reason for going to the office. First reason was to get my skateboard because Bodhi wants to ride it. He's been talking about it. But I did get some mail and make sure it just sort of didn't, you know, look too abandoned.

Josh: Well, it did, didn't it? Like I had seen on the security camera and it looked like one of those situations where someone's lost their lease because they've stop paying bills and there's like envelope. What were the envelopes, by the way? What mail have we got?

Tommy: Oh, just NBN and Google and the Google stuff.

Mason: Keep—

Josh: I think Sev wants that.

Tommy: Okay, yeah, I put AdSense. Yeah, I put it in. Um, but we're in stage 4 lockdown here, curfews in place 8 PM till 5 AM, and I was just thinking— I was talking to my brother yesterday about how I'd love to sort of go out sneakily at like 10, 11 PM, which I'm not going to. I understand as a kid I would have probably thought that was the best idea and snuck out and fucking, you know, missioned around to see how, how sort of, uh, how little traffic there is on the roads, how there's no one out because of the curfew.

Josh: Um, could you get an essential job?

Tommy: I mean, I could write myself a letter. I do own a company with you, so could you write me a letter? No, no, no. Get this right, my brother's friends were chatting with some cops and they were saying about patrolling after curfew, like between 8 and 5 AM. He said it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Like, why are you out driving? He said they're pulling people over and half of them have got bullshit storeys and they're off to try and get drugs, or— but they're all just bullshitting. Oh, I had to go pick up ciggies, or— and so do you think it is like—

Josh: is it like shooting? It's It's almost the shooting fish in a barrel.

Tommy: Easy, easy. Isn't that the saying? Shooting fish in a barrel is simple.

Josh: I would say shooting fish in a barrel is quite difficult.

Tommy: Are you serious? Ridiculously easy, as in setting up a computer nowadays is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Josh: It's because I just—

Tommy: fish shooting fish in an ocean, bit hard, a lot of water. Shooting fish in a barrel, if you had a barrel full of fish It's limited space.

Josh: So, if you're scooping a fish, I reckon scooping a fish using a net out of a barrel is easier than shooting the fish. Would you agree?

Tommy: Yeah, look, look, it doesn't—

Josh: If you had a big net, you could get all of them. I thought like— What if the net couldn't go through the mouth of the fucking barrel? No, I don't get it.

Tommy: You're in trouble.

Josh: No, it is very easy because I've even noticed that the, yeah, the police are just pulling over everyone. If you are out and about, they will just pull you over.

Tommy: Well, in saying that, in saying that, oh, after—

Josh: yeah, yeah, a few times, like on Smith Street, you see them, you just see like, hey, what are you doing?

Tommy: It would be like, it's— I think as a cop it'd be kind of fun. You'd be like, everyone out right now probably shouldn't be, and if they, they should have a fucking good reason, so let's just— and you could, you know, go fast on the roads. Anyway, um, I, I wanted to sort of, in these times remember sort of taking a snapshot rather than just being at home. I wanted to sort of go for a quick drive. And so this morning it's, you know, 7 AM, and I took a path home that would usually take 20 minutes, and it got down to about 15. It was sort of like post the last lockdown, and now I got home in about 10 minutes on this ride that usually takes 20. There is absolutely So there's such little cars on the road, it's, it's, it is freaky.

Josh: It's exciting though. I mean, the thing is that it's, it will go back to normal eventually.

Tommy: Yeah, something. Yeah, yeah. But as I said to you, it was like, think about before COVID every day was worse and worse traffic. Like, it was progressing in the, in the ridiculousness of traffic for 20, for the whatever, the last fucking 100 years. It's like it got to a point where it was the worst it'd ever been, and it's just gone backwards for the moment. So anyway, that was my morning. I went and, um, had a question to the office.

Josh: I had a question.

Tommy: Hit me, hit me.

Josh: Um, the Adventure Club, how are you going?

Tommy: Oh mate, Adventure Club, I just went on one today. So how's your club? I, uh, I broke the law.

Josh: A lot of books. No, I was, I was thinking about, uh, what would have like what, uh, you know, if we weren't in ISO, what would we be doing? And I did think about the, um, the clubs.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, if anything, um, who said— someone said to me recently, mate, you're probably the lucky one out of them all. Your club's like the one that actually had to close down, you know. I'm the business that really had to close. I'm a nightclub business.

Josh: I mean, there's no one at a party. '97 should be giving us heaps of, like, surely this is the time for life hack.

Mason: Life hacks.

Josh: To be, don't you think?

Tommy: Mate, life hacks a day. Life hack a day.

Josh: I feel like he should be doing something. Let me try and give him a call and see. I mean, he probably won't. I reckon he's probably doing his workout or something, but let's give him a call. I just want to ask him about How's life? Heck, he won't fucking answer. I can guarantee you won't answer.

Tommy: What's he doing, in bed?

Josh: I bet you know he'd be lifting weights today.

Tommy: He's, um, yo.

Mason: Oh, g'day, what's happening?

Josh: Oh, you're on the Daily Talk Show with Tommy and Josh for your morning.

Mason: Oh great, how exciting.

Josh: Have you got a top on right now?

Mason: Uh, yes, I do have a top on. It's a Tough Mudder t-shirt.

Josh: Okay, sure. Are you— I just assumed you'd be exercising. Are you exercising?

Mason: I am. I've just put, I've just put plates on a, um, bench press ready to go.

Josh: Oh great. Hey, uh, just, just how many reps you're gonna push out?

Tommy: How many reps?

Mason: Uh, 5 sets of 5.

Tommy: How is it heavy?

Josh: How heavy?

Mason: Yeah, it's, uh, it's starting at 60 and then it will probably go up to, um, 80.

Josh: Talking pounds or kilos, mate?

Mason: Okay, good, good.

Tommy: On, on the lower end, just sort of rep it out a bit more on that lower, lower weight range, and then when you get to the top weight range, go 5 by 5.

Josh: 5x5. Do 3 12s and then 5 5s.

Mason: Okay, great idea.

Tommy: So your, your 5 rep range is usually your 80 to 90% capacity.

Mason: Yeah, look, and so I'm just trying to start motivating myself to get back in.

Josh: I do know what— yeah, motivating yourself, you need to feel it though. Yeah, so it's, um, yeah, I agree with TJ. If you're going to be doing— you say 50s? 50 kilos? No, 60.

Mason: 60. No, 60 to start and then we'll go to 80.

Josh: Okay, no, that's all right.

Tommy: How about 10?

Josh: Thanks. Um, hey, well, that's not what we're calling that. Yeah, we're just talking about clubs. Um, okay, Lifehack Club, have you got an update for us?

Mason: Um, Lifehack Club, well, what is that?

Tommy: That's the club you had, mate.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, what? Yeah, um Look, an update, I reckon. I mean, have you provided any update with, with, um, the book?

Josh: It's not about us. Yeah, we're calling. Yeah, calling you.

Mason: Look, I reckon, I reckon I maybe I'll bring it back starting once a month.

Josh: Once a month?

Mason: Once a month.

Josh: I mean, can I— I mean, I'll give you an out. Think about the, the, that dinky Fair Dinky thing or whatever it is. Fair Dinkadoo. That's a fair dinks. I mean, that was a good life hack, but you need, as the president, you need to be pointing out that it's a life hack. It's a good benchmark. And so, looking at—

Mason: I feel like I stumble upon them, though. Like, they're very like, when I think about them, they become not as good as they are when you just stumble upon something.

Tommy: Yeah, but then it's about the filter of, is this a life hack or not? I stumble across most things, storeys in my life that I share on this show, I don't make them up. It's when you're trying to search the internet for a hack that you're probably not going to find. Yeah, yeah, other than a basic website called lifehacks.com, that's where you find them. But even, yeah, even podcasting ones, uh, the way you link a podcast, that's a great hack. You could do it for anything.

Josh: You could do it this way. That's pretty niche, isn't it?

Mason: It is quite—

Tommy: Yeah, but I mean, life hacks and this—

Mason: It is versatile.

Tommy: Life is vast and, you know, people will fit in where they feel like they fit in.

Josh: What about the electric toothbrush? Any life hacks around the, like, maintenance of an electric toothbrush?

Mason: Well, I feel like— look, TJ, you were talking yesterday about the crap that forms around the base of your charger. I've got that.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Okay, it's not really a life hack though, is it?

Mason: So it's— no, it's not a life hack. But I will say, I messaged you yesterday, Josh, after your, uh, 3 times a day toothbrushing. I got— I got told off by the dentist because I brush my teeth too aggressively. And so there's this thing apparently called toothbrush abrasion. And so it's where, you know, because, you know, when you've got a manual toothbrush, you've got to move it back and forth. When you've got an electric toothbrush, apparently you don't actually need to do that. Just hold it on the tooth.

Josh: 3D.

Mason: Yeah, might have to confirm with your mum, but hold it on the tooth and slowly go around your mouth. And so that, that'll reduce some of the abrasion of the toothbrush.

Josh: Okay, that's sort of a life hack, really. One thing, what I will say though with the electric toothbrush, both Bree and I said it this morning, it's a lot harder to get a clean tongue with the electric toothbrush. Like, I'm feeling a bit—

Mason: yeah, it is. I mean, I don't like cleaning my tongue with an electric toothbrush. Yeah, there's no back. Like, you know, you don't have the other—

Josh: I actually don't use the back though, but yeah, I know what you're saying. But yeah, I'm thinking about keeping the manual toothbrush purely as a tongue play.

Mason: Yeah, okay, I think that's a great idea.

Josh: Okay, all right.

Mason: Well, are you getting into flossing yet?

Josh: No, I do. I floss when I feel like I need to in the evenings.

Mason: Yeah, you could, you could look into a water flosser. I think, I think that's something that you can get around.

Josh: Maybe for my 30th.

Tommy: Seb, more confidence in your hacks, mate. Just, just, you know, come in strong.

Josh: Okay, could you do an Instagram post today of a life hack for us?

Tommy: That'd be good.

Mason: Sure, I can do that.

Tommy: It can't be real basic, maybe use Canva.

Mason: Okay, cool.

Josh: All right, thank you. Enjoy your weights.

Mason: Remember, so do 3 sets of 12 is 60, then 5, uh, then 5, 5.

Josh: No, I reckon you could do 5 fives.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, might as well.

Josh: Okay, you want to do it to completion. Is that what it's called?

Tommy: Yeah, that makes it nice.

Mason: Drop on my head.

Josh: To complete, you want to finish the set.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, you got half of that sentence right.

Josh: No, you won't. I always go to completion. All right, all right, catch you, mate. All right, thank you. Enjoy your workout.

Mason: Bye.

Josh: I'm glad he answered.

Tommy: No, that's good. I'm glad that he's exercising this early. It's good for him. And so, um, anyway, something I was mentioning earlier that you nearly spoiled, uh, we're going to be buying Chickens. Real chickens. This is good.

Josh: And so—

Tommy: This is real good.

Josh: So, that's what Amy was doing at 1:00 AM?

Tommy: Well, it wasn't the reason why she stayed up. It just happened to be the thing she was searching while she couldn't sleep. And so, she was a wealth of chicken knowledge this morning when she woke up.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: What is she like? She was telling me about one that lays different coloured eggs. But they're good eggs, like they're just normal inside of them. She was showing me, you know, some Silky Bantams, which I used to have as a kid. And then she was telling me about what Bantam means. I always used to say, I've got Bantams. And what I actually had was Silky Bantams. Bantams, I think, is small. Bantams meaning, this is what I think she, yeah, she said. That a bantam is small. And so you've got silky ones, which are these beautiful sort of white fluffy with this little blue beak. I mean, they hated me as a kid. I'd throw them up into the air as high as I could because they, they don't fly, but they fly down. They use their wings when they're coming down. And I thought it was the best thing ever.

Josh: Like how we fly.

Tommy: More gracefully.

Josh: Did she answer the question? The big, the number one chicken question in the world?

Tommy: What is the number one chicken question?

Josh: What do you reckon?

Tommy: Um, I don't know. What is it?

Josh: We would always ask it in school. It was always— it was something that was— we'd always ask.

Tommy: You're in a different group than I was, right?

Josh: So, uh, why did the chicken cross the road? All right, Dad. Um, so anyway, all right. And so how many— so what I'm very curious about is how many eggs they're going to be able to produce. And then on top of that, is it like having a mate with a lemon tree? Like, are you going to be— Are they essentially free at that point? Or if you give me a carton of eggs, do I need to throw you some form of currency, whether it be cash or olives?

Tommy: Oh, it's like your mate who owns a café and gives you a free coffee. He's essentially paid for that coffee for you. And so with chickens, you pay for them, you pay for the food that you give them. I mean, I was pumped. I'm like, mate, we're gonna have eggs coming out our ears. And I called Dad, and Dad said to me, oh look, you know, it's like tattoo, be fucking quiet about it.

Josh: You don't want to be telling people about your chickens because everyone will be fucking knocking on your door, you know. So what he said, no, fucking stop it right there.

Tommy: He said they'll probably cost you as much as it'll cost you probably more than what it would be to just get eggs.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: But it's not about that. Yeah, but it's definitely not about that because you can feed them scraps. You can, you know, they're around the backyard.

Mason: They're fresh.

Tommy: You know where they're coming from.

Josh: This is what we do. This is what we do. I've become the mandarin guy. Got a big— As much mandarins as I can actually get right now, which is 4. Not a huge amount, but still something.

Mason: I remember—

Josh: What do you mean? At Woolies, like, they cut you off at 4.

Tommy: Get stuffed.

Mason: Are you serious?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: So, wow, I didn't know that, dude. I thought it was just like the, the, you know, the pastas and the bread.

Josh: When we're online, like, yeah, Bree's like, ah, I might get heaps of mandarins because I'll eat like 4 a day. And she's like, I literally can only put 4 in the cart.

Tommy: I reckon, I reckon it's only online because I bought probably 15 apples.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: And so unless they've got a hierarchy between the apples and the mandarins, but I don't reckon.

Josh: So, but what I was going to say is, so when I in primary school, so primary school is from people playing at home who aren't in Australia, that's from like the age of 5 to like 11 years old, you know, prep to grade 6.

Tommy: Unless you're in Sydney and then they don't have prep.

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: Did you know that?

Mason: No. Yeah.

Josh: What do they have?

Tommy: Ah, there's something else, but it's not prep. I mentioned prep to Amy and she's like, what the hell is prep? Prep is like 5-year-olds. So, it's just fresh out of—

Josh: It's like pre-school, would you call it?

Mason: I don't know.

Josh: Anyway.

Tommy: Yeah, maybe preschool.

Josh: So, anyway, when I was in primary school, we had a farm on the schoolyard. So, we had sheep, lamb, calves, calves, calves, chickens, guinea pigs. We had fucking everything. Because Mr. Nottage, my teacher, he, his dad was a farmer. And so, he, they sorted it all out and it was fucking great. But chickens, I do feel like I remember a lot of orange peel and things of that nature in sort of the chicken feed. Potentially, the deal that we could do if I'm becoming the Mandarin guy, and the fruit guy in general, I can actually start picking fruits that I eat that are high waste. And then I'll put them in a bucket and then we can work out a way of getting them to you.

Tommy: Well, we can also have, we can have like a compost as well.

Josh: So, what does the compost— So, the compost will— So, do the worms and the chickens eat the same thing?

Tommy: Well, you're not going to give them rotten food. So if it's been at your place because you're not eating that quickly—

Josh: what do you mean?

Tommy: Uh, I mean, I know you eat quickly, but as in volume quickly. And so you can— I've just looked it up—

Josh: you can—

Tommy: raw fruits and vegetables that can be fed include vegetable peels, bananas, apples, berries, carrot, bok choy, silver beet, blah blah blah.

Josh: Oh, this is it because it's orange on there. Maybe I've made a complete lie about this.

Tommy: Oh, vegetable peels. Bananas, apples, berries, carrot, bok choy. Mate, I don't— I mean, I'm sure that was probably getting fed to your chickens back in the day, but I don't know, they can still be picky. And so we're going to have an outdoor sort of, uh, what do you call it, a worm farm compost area, different to a worm farm backyard. Um, I think it is a similar thing, but some you don't have, like We had a comp— so we had an area growing up. We had a full chicken coop, then next to it was two sort of big sort of squares that were elevated up that, you know, held a whole bunch of content. So one side you had like things like grass clippings, and Dad told me over the weekend that you need to put into the compost of the grass clipping compost, you need to put in things like newspaper. You need to break it up. It needs the right mix for it to break down.

Josh: Would it take ebooks or the age? Subscriptions?

Tommy: Just chuck a few Kindles in there. I mean, but no, it's very old school, but I think it's the love of it. I can't wait to— I feel like the last, you know, couple of weeks has been really memorable moments with Bowie.

Josh: Nostalgic?

Tommy: That, yeah, that he will look— I think he'll remember. Like, he— I think he's at an age now where he's He's holding on to a bunch of contents and he does even from 6 months ago, a year ago. So, imagine now with these sort of memories a little bit older, he should remember the time that we were locked down. He should remember the time we had chickens, you know, when we first got chickens or moved house and all these things. So, it's part for that. Like I remember how fondly I look back on my childhood and having a backyard with cubby house, chickens, my dad building, you know, a skate ramp for me. Oh, it made me a flying fox, dude. A bit of flying fox from the house across the lawn to the tree.

Josh: Banana tree?

Tommy: No, no, there was a—

Josh: You were gonna sleep in that tree?

Tommy: I was, because beneath it was this sort of like, um, this almost look— think about the palm tree at the top. I can't remember the name of it, but they're like on the ground, they sort of big open, open leaves, and you'd throw banana peels in there. And Dad used to say, you'll eat it, it eats the bananas. And he's right, but it didn't eat them the way I thought it did. It, it, they, they decompose into the tree, and the tree and the, the plant eats them, like, eats all the nutrients. So awesome. And so I'm pumped about that. I don't know what chickens we've landed on. If you do have any ideas of the best chickens that produce the most eggs, please let us know. Is that what you're trying to do? Well, we want volume. I'd like to be able to give you a dozen. Do we need to buy some peptides? What was that?

Josh: Do we need to buy some peptides?

Tommy: Peptides? Maybe you come around, you got a bum bag on, you got some chicken feed in your bum bag, you'd be like, mate, this is the fucking bee's knees, this is gonna get these chooks fucking choochin'.

Josh: Yeah, like an injection, just fucking giving them all a little something.

Tommy: But the one thing, like, we lost a chook— we lost a bantam, sorry, to a dog in the neighborhood. Jumped the back fence, jumped the side fence, went in, killed a chicken, ran, jumped out, and my brother chased it down the street with a— with half of a scissor. You know how you sit like some scissors, you can— yeah, yeah, like a knife, back in the old days. And he's chasing down the street, couldn't get it. Sad though.

Josh: Would you— You were talking about security cameras. Do you think you'd get a security camera for the chooks?

Tommy: That's a good point. Good point. If I capture a murder, I want it on video.

Josh: I think it'd be good. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I'm gonna— I want to do a full security system at my new joint. Sort of something that we're— We've managed to reduce the rent significantly, so there's investments that can be made. Elsewhere, you know.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Tommy: We're gonna— that's a trap. You've moved to somewhere $150 cheaper and you've spent— you then just spend that $150.

Josh: I get it. But, but, um, no, when do you move to the new place?

Tommy: Uh, in about 5 weeks, 4 weeks, I think. 4 weeks.

Josh: Yeah. Have you asked about the chickens yet?

Tommy: Absolutely not. Did we ask about building a full podcast studio?

Josh: But there's podcast studio in it, but that's different. The podcast studio, it's like we've got a commercial lease.

Tommy: Or think about it like this. Think about it like this. Would you, would you ask if you had a rabbit?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: In the backyard. In the backyard.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: You've lost your mind then. It's, there's no asking an agent, can I have a rabbit in the backyard?

Josh: So, I believe, I believe potentially like Victorian I remember, um, not allowed roosters. PJ, not allowed roosters. Okay, so PJ was causing a different story.

Tommy: Indoors, different story.

Josh: But I think that they have to— I mean, I just— here's my feeling, you know how when they came over, the commercial lease people came over to the office like 3 weeks, like a month ago to do an appraisal or whatever? Evaluation. Uh, like, our assholes were tight because we're like, they're taking photos of all of the, um, the shit that we've done to the office. Don't you just— wouldn't it be nice to not have to tighten your asshole when they— if they say, hey, can we come and inspect? Like, what are you gonna do? I think it's just better off— so you've got it, you signed. Yeah, sign the deal and then just say, hey, it's the—

Tommy: it's the beg for forgiveness, deliver a dozen eggs to the agents if they're kicking up a stink, you know, take it, offer to take their compost.

Josh: So, it's gonna fuck some of the grass, isn't it?

Tommy: No, no, because you, this is what you do, you build a coop that is movable. And so, it's not floating, it just can be lifted. And so, it's got an underneath bit that has—

Josh: That's what I meant, I didn't actually think that it was going to be float, like off the ground, like when I said No, you could elevate it.

Tommy: We had one that was like fully into the ground that had posts that went up and so it had a multi-level.

Josh: Could it be built on stilts?

Tommy: You can, yeah, literally. So, you can just move it, move it about. And so, you move it between— that's what Dad said, you move it around so it doesn't ruin the grass. Okay.

Josh: But that was my experience of the grass.

Tommy: Because that was low maintenance in the backyard.

Josh: Well, I feel like your dad is very— and the other thing is your dad has experience dealing with rentals as sort of the handyman. And so, has he given it the tick of approval? Did he ask any questions about the rental? Oh, he's pumped. Okay, great.

Tommy: No, he's pumped. He's pumped. I mean, when you— I'd never lived in a house or had a lease to a house myself. And now I've got one and there's very little that's going on. Like, they just, they're just fucking— They don't care if you're not ruining the joint. Internally, and it's something that can be changed. The difference is having dogs inside. You'd like— that's a— there's just rules around what you can do. And so outdoor chickens aren't coming inside.

Josh: Any sort of any plants or anything that you'll grow as well? So you can be fully sort of sustainable, self-contained.

Tommy: It's— well, I mean, I'm the guy thinking more about the half pipe my brother and I want to build in the backyard.

Josh: Can you build a, um, it would be great to do like a mini golf, like at least just one.

Tommy: That'd be great.

Josh: Yeah, that would be fun, dude.

Tommy: We've got enough room in the backyard of this new joint. It's huge. So mini golf, I'll take everything. Currently we've got a half pipe, half pipe, a potential dirt jumps, and now we've got mini golf.

Josh: Where are you getting the dirt from?

Tommy: Don't know, I'll find it. I work out how to do heaps of shit, building shit. So gotta get a bike first, but I'm building out a new, um, I'm building out a fitness area.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: Yeah, it's going to be— I'm getting back into boxing, martial arts.

Josh: I'm, um, it's going to be that full suburban like experience though, isn't it? That's great, I love it.

Mason: Oh yeah.

Josh: Oh, you have the, um, you're going to put up some Christmas lights all year round, like fairy lights.

Tommy: That's a good idea.

Josh: I think that's pretty common.

Tommy: Fuck, that's a great idea.

Josh: Make it feel like a party all year round.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: You have— You're going to bring your fire along, mate.

Tommy: Big fire area.

Josh: So, you know, Bayside were cancelling the fires. Did you see this? So, wood fire stuff, pizza, like you couldn't fucking— Use a pizza oven outside.

Tommy: Woodfire pizza ovens, sort of open-flamed fires banned, which is where I grew up. And that's fucking ridiculous. I was having fires in my backyard as a kid, loved it. And so, I don't know their reasoning. I mean, it's not around that area.

Josh: I think it's a pollution thing, but just like, I guess people get annoyed about the smell, but I think near the CBD, I heard this, I don't know if this is true. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you can clarify. But I believe in the Melbourne, like, central business district. When you say it like that, it sounds very posh, doesn't it? It does.

Tommy: CBD.

Josh: You won't see many meat, like, smoking places because they can't do smoking. But then interestingly, I think there's Frank's. I think it's called Frank's Barbecue or whatever, which is right on the CBD. So, I don't know if that's true.

Tommy: Yeah, it could be on the fringe. I mean, I've heard that. And so, Collingwood, there's a bunch in Collingwood, but that's kind of just—

Josh: Lebonton.

Tommy: Lebonton, yeah. On the fringe of the CBD. That's—

Josh: There's also, I mean, that's one great thing. I'm very for— Like, I've been looking back and thinking about how fortunate I am that I got to do a bunch of the travelling stuff. And one of them was South by Southwest. Like, you think about, you know, I think it's like 150,000 people or whatever going to Austin, Texas. And, but one of the things that I remember distinctly is it's like their CBD is really low. Like, they don't have huge heaps of huge towers. And so, you just sort of like walking. And so, you really get a sense of corners. And on a lot of corners, there's fucking like barbecue. You just see smokers in them on the corner. It's fucking great.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Yeah. It would be good. I mean, I wonder what it's going to be like. I've been listening to the audiobook Deep South, which is by Paul Theroux, who— It's Louis Theroux's dad. He's a travel writer.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: It's very interesting. Just talking about, you know—

Tommy: The Deep South. Yeah.

Josh: So talking—

Tommy: What angle is it? Is it—

Josh: So he's just like travelling along and talking about like the bit that I was, um, just reading. It's like, ah, yeah, I walked into this, uh, into the diner. I said, ah, um, forgive me for rambling, but, uh, is that, uh, that penny candy is bringing back fond memories. He says, ah, penny candy, we call it Driving candy. And you know, he was right. Driving, you know, being in Alabama is, is like driving candy. Everywhere you go there's little candy. And that's a nice—

Tommy: I appreciate the American accent for a British guy.

Josh: Well, no, it's— yeah, this is the funny thing. So he, um, uh, Louis Theroux's dad is American and English.

Tommy: Is he?

Josh: He is, yeah. But he—

Tommy: So, what's he sound like? Is he, is it a mix?

Josh: Yeah, it's nothing like what I did, but yeah, it's just like sort of an internationally sort of like accent. But the deep set, the interesting thing is I was listening to, I think it's called the Great Bazaar. Like I've just been listening to fucking travel stuff when I've been going to sleep just to bring back some old travel memories. But yeah, so the Great Railway Bazaar. Which is also by Paul Theroux, has a real strong British accent. And then Deep South. I'll play Deep South. I think I can play it through here.

Tommy: After almost 40 years, it seemed he still cleaned the rooms, and this morning at least had no menials or housekeepers to help him.

Josh: Okay, so that's Deep South. Now it's not, it's not actually him, but it's funny that And so, and then this is the— this another book by him, um, different voiceover clearly.

Mason: The plot.

Tommy: And next to that, 3 turkeys moving with that clockwork bustle characteristic of— maybe—

Josh: is he American?

Mason: Look!

Josh: Noseworth had seen them. I nodded.

Tommy: Turkeys in Turkey!

Josh: he exclaimed.

Tommy: I wonder if—

Josh: yeah, that's enough. Turkeys in Turkey.

Tommy: I've actually got a book recommendation. I mean, this is like you, you telling me what skateboard to buy right now, um, uh, because you're the book guy clearly, and the skateboard guy. Um, this book I came across, and I— and it's— now I come to think about it, it was more because of the photos. So it could be a picture book recommendation.

Josh: Okay, yeah, great.

Tommy: A picture book recommendation that sold for adults, hardcover $72.45 on Amazon. It's called A Period of Juvenile Prosperity. And so it's a 64-color plates. At 17, Mike Brody hopped his first train close to his home in Pensacola, Florida, thinking he would visit a friend in Mobile, AL— Alabama. Instead, the train went the opposite direction to Jacksonville. Days later, Brodie rode the same train home, arriving back where he started. Nonetheless, it sparked something, and Brodie began to wander across the US by any means that were free— walking, hitchhiking, train hopping. Shortly after—

Josh: this is great—

Tommy: Brodie found a Polaroid camera stuffed behind a car seat. With no training in photography and Coke bottle glasses, the instant camera was an opening for Brody to document his experiences as a way of staying in touch with his transient community. Brody shared his pictures on various websites, gaining moniker the Polaroid Kid. That was his name. When the Polaroid film, uh, he used was discontinued, Brody switched to 35mm and a sturdy 19A camera. Brody spent years crisscrossing the US, amassing a collection now appreciated as one of the most expressive archives of American travel photography. When asked about his approach to travel photography, Brody has said, sometimes I take a train the wrong way, or whatever happens, a photo will come out of it, so it doesn't really matter where I end up. But the photos, JJ, are sick.

Josh: I'm just looking at them.

Tommy: Think about someone jumping on Well, you know when you're driving and you see a big freight train and you're like, fuck, cheque out that. My mind goes to like, imagine just like somehow jumping onto that. Like I lived in Shepparton and behind me was the train line and the big freight would come through really slowly. And I was like, I could fucking jump on that. And I wonder where I'd end up. And so in America, back in the day, there was sort of like these stowaways, these, young homeless kids, but he just captured the most amazing photos of that time of these people. They look sort of— they look rough around the edges, these characters, but they're, you know, a lot of them look sweet and they had a community. And, and it was just— they're just these black and white beautiful images. And, um, it'd be worth, I reckon, worth getting Yeah, they're all—

Josh: they're, um, there's— they're all cut. There's a bunch of color.

Tommy: Oh, there's a color.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah, he's got colour too.

Josh: Yeah. Wow.

Tommy: And but they're just like— they look like— they look— some of the guys look like, um, uh, Rufio from, uh, Pirate, uh, what's it called? Um, fucking— what is it?

Josh: I haven't seen movies, you know that.

Tommy: No, you know, you've seen this one. Um, Peter Pan. Peter Pan. You know the film Peter Pan? Oh yeah, anyway, they just look like these.

Josh: So it's just like real, like, uh, sooty and just— but there's just so much character to them all.

Tommy: A bit, bit dirty. Yeah, they just, they just love traveling.

Josh: How'd you hear about this?

Tommy: Um, I can't— I had it written down and I can't remember where it came from, but I did see just some images pop up somewhere and I just went down this. Like, if you— it's a full—

Josh: Have you seen, or are you just seen the photos?

Tommy: No, no, I just looked at the photos online. But there'd be something about having that as a coffee table book. So like, um, train— like, train hopping is a, is a, is a real thing. It's like there's a community of them. You can see if you just try to type in train hopping, there's people that go across all different countries via free rides.

Josh: Sick.

Tommy: And so you'd see place, you know, train lines go places where humans don't go, you know, like through mountains that there are—

Josh: Your internet's slow, Ben, just because you're searching images. Oh yeah. That's okay.

Tommy: Anyway, it's—

Josh: That's sick. That's a great book recommendation. I love that.

Mason: Great.

Josh: All right. That's it. The Daily Talk Show. That's it. If you enjoy the show, leave us a podcast review on Apple Podcasts. It's been a while. Anything else? Any other bits of admin, TJ?

Tommy: Uh, no, but, um, one thing is for sure, we're back tomorrow.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: And then probably for another 7 years, 7 and a half years after that. So deal with it. Yeah.

Josh: And if you don't like it, you don't have to watch. That's, that's also the thing. All right, uh, enjoy the rest of your day, guys, and we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Tommy: Love you.