Glue Gunning & The Mo Guy

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 789.

Tommy: Oh, it's a great number. What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Josh: Why is it great?

Tommy: 7-8-9. I just love, like, so my birth date is the 1st of the 9th, 1988. But if you just take my birth year, that is my whole birth date. 1-9-8-8.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: 1st of September, the 9th, '88. 1-9-8-8. It's, it's—

Josh: that is good.

Tommy: That's why I'm so special.

Josh: Uh, what do you think about my, uh, mo?

Tommy: The mo's back. I don't mind it. I actually, um, I think last time you had your moustache, uh, it's, um, we all just gave you shit because that's what you do to someone else in the office.

Josh: Yeah, it looked better in the mirror, to be honest.

Tommy: That's fine, mate. It's fine. What are you doing it for? What are you trying to be?

Josh: I don't know. I just shaved and then, um—

Tommy: are you making a play for the mo guy? You know George is the mo guy.

Josh: No, I do. Why did I do it? Why did I do it? George is upstairs now.

Tommy: We've sent The boys upstairs, they're no longer downstairs in the studio as their full-time workspace plus studio space.

Josh: Yeah. So, what we made the decision over the weekend, we had a big sort of, you, me and Jess had a big—

Tommy: Crisis.

Josh: Yeah. Crisis meeting. No, we planned out a bunch of things. She does this thing called cap planning.

Tommy: Cap planning.

Josh: Which is capacity planning.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, she has a spreadsheet and then she puts down all the tasks that we have on one side. Yeah. And then she puts all of our names.

Tommy: So, there's like intellectual porn, which is, you know, the Jordan Petersons of the world, the Sam Harris's that are super articulate and you just love, like I get off over listening to them talk. Watching someone manoeuvre an Excel spreadsheet.

Josh: Watch your words.

Tommy: Like Jess does is, I mean, wow. It's impressive seeing someone build it out. You know what I mean?

Josh: So sorry. But yeah, no, it's very good.

Tommy: Not in a sexual way, just as in a satisfaction.

Josh: Yeah, no, there is. And so, and so we—

Tommy: Are you a mo guy with the sexual, everything's got a sexual tone to it?

Josh: And so anyway. We put together like everyone's hours and then we worked out what everyone was doing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And one of the things that Jess brought up was how with everyone being in the studio all of the time, it doesn't necessarily create a great vibe for getting shit done. Yeah.

Tommy: Well, it's just one whole day. I mean, the only way it would make sense is if we kept it—

Josh: If we made money off the podcast. Yeah, that too.

Tommy: That too. That too.

Josh: But yeah, no, it would be good. So anyway, the decision, I think even if we were filming the whole time, we couldn't justify it. So the idea is that Sev's GB and Jess will join us for weekend banters. Yeah. But then we were able to create 7 extra hours each of work that they could do a week.

Tommy: Highly optimized. I think that's what you'd call it.

Josh: Yeah, I'm feeling good about it though. Yeah. Very organized.

Tommy: Feeling great.

Josh: Sent 5 emails today.

Tommy: Mate, you're fired up. And that's for a Monday. Usually people are just like, I can't be bothered on a Monday.

Josh: No, Mondays I think are good for me.

Tommy: I had a great sleep last night, which I'm very, very grateful for. Bodie's got a new bed. What bed did you— what was your first bed in Narre Warren?

Josh: No, sorry, or in Dever Hills.

Tommy: What was your first, like, that you remember sort of getting into that 4, 5, 6, 7 years where year old that you can sort of remember that bed you had?

Josh: I don't remember too much. I just, I remember the doona cover, which was like blue. Filthy. No, it was light blue and it had like a dude on it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Like a boy. Like it reminded me of the bald kid from Rugrats.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. Tommy.

Josh: Tommy. Yes. Tommy. Little Tommy. So, it looks, it looked like that. But yeah, I remember.

Tommy: Did you even know what it, what?

Josh: No, it was, it would have just been whatever the buyers at Kmart could source.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, it's legit like when you buy a Portrait, like a picture frame, and there's a stock image in the back of it. You bought a stock image.

Josh: Exactly. Well, I, but I think that it was cool enough.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: There was an issue. What was your— Well, I also had the double— Sorry, not double bed, a bunk bed. That was the first one that I had with my brother Jake.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But then moving on, you know, to a single, I had that blue doona.

Tommy: Well, we got a king single and Bodie is a 3-year-old kid.

Josh: Seems— Luxurious.

Tommy: Well, it's crazy. But you think about, you got to think for the future. And Amy does, definitely. So, we invested in a beautiful wooden framed bed, which took 9 weeks to get here. That's another story. What the hell?

Josh: Do you know what? Muji do really good beds. Do you know Muji?

Tommy: Muji? No. Is that a—

Josh: They're like the stationery. I think they're Japanese. They do like the really nice stationery. You can get a bed made, but it takes a long time.

Tommy: Yeah, I can imagine. And so it got here, but it's great, easy to put together. We got the mattress on the Saturday, went, picked it up. Well, we didn't pick it up, went there, didn't fit in the car. The guy just said, I'll drop it off for $50. Really? Brought the mattress back.

Josh: Like an official sort of thing or just off the, like, $50 cash?

Tommy: No, he owned the business. No, no, it was $50, but it was just like you could tell it's a guy who owned the business that is just going that extra mile. Like, that's what I love about these times. People want to make money. Like, I can drop it off tonight, 5 PM for $50.

Josh: I like that. It's like the thing that I thought you were going to say is like people are generous and kind. It's like people want to make money.

Tommy: No, but I appreciate it because he's a guy in the mattress game that everyone's doing it tough. You see where people are willing to maybe put in a bit more time. If people are doing well, it doesn't always necessarily translate to giving better service. It's like, well, if you're making money anyway, It's not the right approach, and I don't think everyone takes it, but I just was like, he cares about making some money to support his business. Yeah. And I really appreciate it. And he was a lovely, lovely guy. And so I got that Saturday night. Huge. It's big enough for me. And Bodhi slept in it Saturday night, came into our bed 2 AM. I got up on Sunday morning straight into the King single.

Josh: Really? Is this— Do you think Amy got it more for you?

Tommy: No, it's a classic thing that parents do. It's like the one in, one out.

Josh: So, what's that?

Tommy: One in, one out. It's just like kid comes to bed. Oh, I'm out of here. Straight.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: It happens a lot.

Josh: And a lot. Are you normally the one that leaves?

Tommy: Well, we've never had a bed that I could go out and sleep on.

Josh: And so, what would you used to have?

Tommy: Amy said, oh, here, this is the start of it, she said as I was walking out. Oh, really? Because it was getting—

Josh: comfy.

Tommy: Started me having some good sleep.

Josh: So is it— so it's— if you were a single adult, would it be a bed that you would own?

Tommy: Not the mattress. It's dog shit.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But it's good for a kid. Because— so it doesn't even have like a classic pillow top. It's like you spend $200 bucks.

Josh: You probably get a limp ping or anything.

Tommy: No, no, no. It's comfy as shit. It's more comfy than his other one. Kids can sleep on the ground, man. Like at daycare.

Josh: Why not? Why don't you?

Tommy: Sleep on— thin foam and it's just, it's fine.

Josh: Why have a bed?

Tommy: Good point. Good point. I'm sure some kids don't. One of Amy's friends, when they first had their first child, I think they're on their fourth now, the kid's bed when it was a baby was in a drawer. So, like, you make a nice little bed area in the drawer. Like, it's perfect.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Can't roll out. Really comfy with some sort of little foam and the right sort of blankies.

Josh: You've just got to make sure it's weighted right because you just don't want the drawer drawers to fall over.

Tommy: But Bodhi slept in the bed all last night and woke up this morning like a little angel.

Josh: Really? So, so because he woke up at 2 AM the first night on Saturday and then last night, 8 o'clock till 8:30 maybe till 6:45, 7. Oh, that's good.

Tommy: So good.

Josh: Any difference that you're noticing?

Tommy: Difference in just having a full night's sleep is huge. It's amazing.

Josh: You said you woke up on Saturday night Yeah, I woke up and I also did it last night too. So Saturday night, I don't know, I just, I feel like, um, last night I was like, I need to do it, have an early night, because if I don't have, if I don't have 8 hours, yeah, it's an absolute nightmare, I reckon. Like, if I ever, I'm like, man, why am I being such a fuckwit today? It's because I haven't had enough sleep. And so I was like determined because we have a big week. I'm like, I need to get 8 hours. And so, I went to bed at— I was in bed by 8:45 reading my Kindle until 9:30, went to sleep at 9:30. And then at 11:00 AM, I got woken up to screaming on Smith Street once again. And there was a guy screaming at a car and he was—

Tommy: Parked or—?

Josh: I've actually got all the footage because I now even say in the thing, I'm like, call triple zero, saying to break, call triple zero. Which she then said, okay, well, you can talk.

Tommy: And I was like, I'm pretty sure that was the other video.

Josh: Yeah, it was the same one. Well, so the— Yeah, but I decided not to bother. But it was a guy with a black hoodie and there was a small white car following him and he was telling the white car to fuck off. Yeah. And in the white car was a female. I think it might have been his girlfriend, maybe. And he's had a meltdown and she's like, and he's like, go home, go home. He threw the bottle at the car. But then I was like, man, when you see that, because my heart was like racing, I was just like, I get into this mode of like, what's going to happen? Like, is she going to run over him or is he going to kick the windscreen? What's going to happen? Yeah. And so, yeah, that was at 11 o'clock and it took me about 40 minutes to get back to sleep. But I was thinking— So, that was last night. Last night.

Tommy: And then on Saturday night—

Josh: And Saturday night I just woke because we had some wine. And I think that maybe being a bit half pissed and sleeping, it's a bit of a nightmare. I have real fucked up dreams and it's all like— It can happen. Yeah. And then also on Saturday night, I was watching a a cop car, like a police chase. And because I heard the little siren and then sort of, you know, you know, there's action.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, I sort of sat up and then was watching them like a car speed off and then the police car. And then you could hear revving happening like a car was going really fast down Smith Street.

Tommy: Is it true you sleep in police pyjamas? That has a little badge?

Josh: Mr. Jansen. That would be cute. I did have a sheriff. Had a sheriff badge growing up. I also had a— Principal Jansen. I would like that. No, but when I was actually a kid, a lady at the primary school had a laminating machine. Laminator. Yeah. And so, I got— What did I— What was it called? MassArt Master. There was a software that was like Print Artist. Print Artist is what it was called. Print Artist, if you remember Print Artist, shout out. But it was like you could create really good-looking documents, but it was more like if you wanted to create like birthday invitations or things like that. And I got an ID or it's like a photo of me and then I gave myself a big title and got it laminated. And so, when I was getting bullied in the playground, I would just show them my card and say, "Back off." Yeah. And they would because they didn't know what it meant.

Tommy: So confused. Geez. Were you bullied? Is that what you're saying?

Josh: No, I was— Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I am. You probably wasn't being bullied. I was probably like, I would pull the card out pretty, pretty regularly.

Tommy: You're— So you're a bully? No, I wasn't a bully.

Josh: But then I discovered Actual Card Makers, which is one up from Laminated. Yeah. Which is actually printed directly on the card. Really nice qual.

Tommy: And then it was jail after that, wasn't it? It's, so while George is away, like you're, you've made the play for his moustache. You just brought a bit of George to our shows. There's something I'm making a play for when it comes to the office and George. He wanted to set up a sound booth under the stairs. Hasn't happened. No. He got as far as the desk and a little bit of soundproofing.

Josh: And so do you want that to be— because we have taken our desks, yeah, they're upstairs, and we've given that to the boys. Yeah. And so they have Vitamin D, they've got like 97 So Happy, he's got like the windows open and he's like, he's a new guy. Yeah, yeah. And so we're down here now sort of hot desking essentially in our own business. And so are you wanting to use The cupboard as an office?

Tommy: No, I want the cupboard as a creative space that I have a bunch of stuff set up that is good to go for—

Josh: Moisturizers, tissues, and a— No, no.

Tommy: And an OnlyFans subscription. No, no, no. I want to set up my glue gun. I want to set up a little recording area. I basically want to do what George thought he could have done, but he won't do it. And so I'm making the play. I'm— it's official, I'm claiming back Under the Stairs. Yeah, George hasn't acted quick enough.

Josh: And so you're going to do a bunch of videos?

Tommy: Yeah, I want to, um, have it as like a— so I've kept a bunch of shit, like, and so I came in on Sunday to the office just to sort of tidy up a few things, get the boys' desks area.

Josh: Well, we had I hadn't told them yet, and you called me and said, hey, do you think it's cool if I move all of their shit to their new spots? And I said, no, you can't do that.

Tommy: And you know when you're calling somebody to ask, it's that, you know, that it's not right. You were hoping that I was tweaked.

Josh: On a bad day, I probably would have been like, yep, fucking do it. Yeah. Which is, it feels like the same move as if you've broken up with someone, leaving their shit outside the house. Yeah, that's no good. And so anyway, what, so you've got, what sort of things?

Tommy: I was cleaning some stuff up down there. I've got my hook from some old videos, some, but I've just trinkets and little knickknacks that I want to start putting up in that and just make it a real kooky little space. Toni Lodge, we caught up with last week. She was on the show a couple of weeks ago. She mentioned she loves glue gunning. And I spent a lot of time glue gunning as a kid.

Josh: What does glue gunning mean?

Tommy: So glue guns are like a little gun. You stick this, you know, long stick of glue into the back of it. It heats up. And you press the trigger and it pulls in the stick of glue, heats it up and pushes it out the other end as goo. Hot goo.

Josh: Don't want to get it on you.

Tommy: Great for arts and crafts. I used to do a lot of paddle pop stick castles, things like that. And then there was, you know, you get a bit funky and get coloured glue that would go through the gun. Great for just, you know.

Josh: So, you want a glue gun or you've got one?

Tommy: I've got one. Okay. I've got a heap of shit and I—

Josh: What are you using the glue gun for? Previously.

Tommy: I've used it for little bits, stuff on my camera, stuff around.

Josh: Did you get it because Casey Neistat had it?

Tommy: No, I've had them, mate. Fuck Casey Neistat. I've been glue gunning for years.

Josh: Because he actually takes the glue stick as well and will just use a lighter and melt it down.

Tommy: That works too. That works too. It's just if you don't have to, if you don't have time to set up your glue gun. Yeah. But the thing about a creative space, so I think everyone wants it at some point. Where they're like, I need my, I need my space with my paints because then I'll paint. Some of, somewhat, it's somewhat true that if you have it accessible, you should be doing more. The other side of it is you don't end up doing stuff that you actually enjoy because you've just got older and you're just a bit jaded. You got shit going on, you haven't slept, and you're saying next minute, you're saying, if I don't get 8 hours, I'm fucking useless. But in saying that, that's like— it's true, you won't always get 8 hours. But the other thing is you won't always want to do the things that you like doing. And so if I can create somewhere that, you know, that you read in every fucking self-help book, it's like if you just had 30 minutes on a one morning where you just, you did something silly like do some— you could call it silly do some glue gunning. So, what are you going to?

Josh: So, is it like an arts and crafts? Bit of everything. Bit of everything.

Tommy: I like it. Because then you could— It's just an artistic space. What is art? What do you think art is?

Josh: Self-expression. Was it our chat with Ryan Shelton that got you excited about it?

Tommy: Yeah, it got me into that.

Josh: I mean, the only thing is, not to be the brat, but if you get that space, what do I get? What do you want, mate?

Tommy: This is the thing. There's a lot of— You can—

Josh: Just make opportunities. I'll have the garage.

Tommy: Yeah, but you've never cleaned it. I've cleaned it all.

Josh: I've never put shit in it. Yeah, true.

Tommy: But if I— Okay, so if I have the garage—

Josh: No, I've got the garage. You've got the under the stairs bit.

Tommy: What are you doing in the garage? Fucking welding. Why not? I've got my woods in there. Our woods. I've got— It's our gear section. What do you like, though? What would be something that you could in this office cement as your own? Like, you've got your booth where you switch the cameras and do the audio. What's your—

Josh: what's your thing?

Tommy: Yeah, do you want a bookshelf up the back?

Josh: I would like that. That'd be good. But then I, I also don't want to cement everything to be studio related. Yeah, um, meaning, well, because if it's all in the studio, I can't sort of— like, I like that you've got the separation between your downstairs cupboard Yeah. And the studio. Yeah. Yeah. To be honest, I think that my house, like where I've like my apartment, that second room where is my office space. That's great. Yeah. But I feel like I don't. I feel like the inclination is because you said the glue stuff that I need to all of a sudden start doing watercolour or like, which I used to be a big Derwent pencil fan. Oh yeah. Had some really good Derwent pencils. Yeah. But Yeah. What do I want to do? I want to get into writing. So, actually, this is what I want. Here we go. Could I please have a laptop stand? Oh, yeah.

Tommy: Where's that? Where does that go?

Josh: Goes on my hot desk. Yeah. Okay. So, I don't have to hurt my neck.

Tommy: And so, a laptop stand just lifts it up for you to less poke neck, less fucking tilt.

Josh: And then I have my external mouse and keyboard, but I think I'll pick up my memoir. I'll start, I'll keep writing it.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: So that would be good. I do like writing.

Tommy: Yeah. Okay. So then what's the— because I've always been of the thinking if you're telling yourself the storey of I need this to do it, fucking go get the thing. So you've got no storey to tell. Your storey's kaput and you've got no excuse.

Josh: Well, I'm about to tonight. I'm buying an exercise bike from Kogan. Oh, great. Under $400. Great. How good could it be for $350, you wonder?

Tommy: Well, I don't think it'd be that bad. Like a spin bike?

Josh: Yeah, it's, it's not very smart.

Tommy: Doesn't matter. I had— no, they don't need to be smart. So I had a spin bike.

Josh: I don't want an Aerodyne. Like, I don't want to— is it an Aerodyne?

Tommy: That, like, the actual— I don't want the air ones.

Josh: No, no. So there's ones that all the, um, fucking gyms, especially like, um, uh, what's it called, kettlebells and doing all that. What's the people that do every bit of everything? CrossFit.

Tommy: Yeah, the wind creates—

Josh: yeah, AirDyne, I think it's called. But those things are like $1,500. Yes. And they're noisy as fuck. I want something that I can just ride on. Yeah. And get the miles. So I can— Great. So I'm getting that tonight. So that will be helpful. And then I want it because I want to get into consuming whilst moving rather than like sitting and watching TV. I can get on the bike because you have the habit of TV and consuming.

Tommy: So if you add It's, what do you call that? Like grouping a habit. Yeah. It's like a bit of a hack. Trick yourself into it by doing it.

Josh: Well, because, yeah, if you think about like all of the little docos I watch on different stuff. Yeah. Saw an interesting one on Disney and their price hikes. They've just opened up Disney World. Again. Yes. They said, the reporter said, Disney World now the happiest place on earth. For COVID-19, which I sort of thought was clever. But, um, yeah, no, the pricing— there's been huge increases over the years of Disney. They introduced dynamic ads— sorry, not dynamic ads, dynamic pricing based on the time of year. Oh wow. But what they were talking about, the actual— yeah, so say like school holidays costs more. That makes sense. Yeah, but they were sort of talking about their Disney's, um, pricing out Middle America. So, they really built a core base, but now the cost is getting really ridiculous.

Tommy: Too high. So, it's only the elite.

Josh: Like Bri and I spent so much when we went to Disney. It is expensive.

Tommy: Yeah. I don't know how that's going to be sustainable if you can't have truckloads or plane loads of people coming from, like the Asian tourism is ginormous to these countries. In Australia, think about all the money that that brings in. That's gone for a little while. Yeah. I wonder if, um, maybe it's just people on their private jets flying in, spending the cash. Um, I want to do one, uh, recommendation that, um, I think will land. Last time, my recommendation of, um, uh, what was it, Fire Saga with, uh, Will Ferrell, it was, uh, horrendous.

Josh: But just one, actually, I would love I know what I would love to do. What? I want to get my dorodango made.

Tommy: Oh yeah, you could do that in the garage.

Josh: Would you let me have clay and stuff in the garage and stuff?

Tommy: Yeah, you just have to set up drop sheets, blankets.

Josh: I might need some help. Anyway, I think that'd be good. So anyway, the, um, that got me thinking because the, it felt like a, um, project.

Tommy: Yeah, go on. So, uh, I gave the recommendation of Fire Saga, the, um, Eurovision Netflix film. Terrible, terrible, but I loved it. And I tell you, you didn't say it was terrible, but I also didn't say have a fucking watch party. I also didn't say it was really good.

Josh: Like, for a guy, I don't watch movies or many movies.

Tommy: So what ended up happening was Josh organised a watch party between 4 people, and the suspense— doing a watch party for a film is building up a suspense within you that you're like It has to be good.

Josh: What do you think cinemas are? Cinemas are just watch parties, no? Yeah, no longer. They're done. Well, okay. Well, so anyway, what's— you've got another film recommendation.

Tommy: So this, it's a two-prong, two-prong, uh, viewing. You need to first—

Josh: like a series, like a two-part series? Uh, nah, this is about—

Tommy: this is a lot of work. If, I mean, if you've got kids, it's, it's, um, light work because you're used to this kind of shit. I want you to watch Frozen 1 and 2. Just consume it. I have about 40 times, and this is, I think, why I love it. Bodhi's obsessed with Frozen at the moment. It's so cute and it's so well made. Frozen 1, Frozen 2. But then once you've watched Frozen 2, watch The Making of Frozen 2, and it's a doco series on Disney Plus. That looks into the writers, the animators all through. Could I watch the making of without watching the other two? Oh, it's just so amazing to appreciate it in reverse. Watch it, you're familiar with the characters and understand the storylines and how crazy the visuals are and how amazing the storey is. And then you go to connect all the dots. Holy shit. The people, the the husband and wife couple that write every song for that, their influence on the storyline is ginormous, which you wouldn't think. Like, they actually pieced together the start and ending of the second film by their one song. Like, the creative process that Disney have, it's like 70, 80 people working on Frozen 2 that is the Frozen team from before, and it is, it is probably one of the greatest creative processes I've ever seen.

Josh: Like, in terms of anything we can learn, collaborative, just even how, like, they'll have— if we were to take one thing and bring it into our team, what is it?

Tommy: I think it serves a— it's very clear they've got a start and an end goal, which is we need a finished film that goes and is shown and distributed. What I think any— the takeaway is that you don't need to have all the answers before you start. You don't need to have all the answers.

Josh: So what did they have worked out? So what was the bit that they had worked out?

Tommy: That is Frozen 2 is a bit different because they're coming off the back of Frozen 1. But what they need to do is make it better than Frozen 1. Frozen 1 into Frozen 2.

Josh: The pressure of it being— Pixar?

Tommy: It's Disney, isn't it? Disney. Yeah. And so they didn't know the storey and how it finished, uh, 6 months, 7 months out from it needing to be finished. Because it's such a process of like getting it right. They do these sessions where they show a screening of it in its bare bones, like drawn, hand-drawn, some of the animations rendered. Looks like dog shit. But you've got some like overlay tracks and vocals and all of that. And then they do an 8-hour session after that film in a round table discussing it. So you've got like the guy who made blah blah blah, you've got the woman who's the head of this and wrote this amazing animation film, just saying like the storey falls there. I don't know, like it's brutal. And the, the friction they go through, it's just like a— it's— I think it's a great representation of how, how a creative process is for everybody, but this is just on such a stage. Like, you really see it in its every format. Like, you come up with an idea, you feel shit about it, you try it, didn't look that great, you do it again. Small time. This is like, this has so much riding on these things. And so it's amazing to see. And the documentary—

Josh: I'm gonna watch it. Series is so— we'll just watch, just watch it.

Tommy: I think it will make you want to watch Frozen 1 and 2.

Josh: The, yeah, South Park, I think it was called 6 Days or 7 Days to Air. Yeah. Which is the storey of how they make South Park. Yeah. Obviously a very different thing, but they would do the whole thing in a week.

Tommy: It's phenomenal. I mean, this took them 3 or 4 years to make the film. Like, animation's ridiculously long, but like, nothing was locked off. The script's not locked off. They get the voiceover actors.

Josh: Any blowups? Heaps. Really? Oh, just like— Did Bodhi watch the behind the scenes?

Tommy: He loves it. It's unbelievable because he— you onboard the kid to the film and then they're loving because they're hearing and seeing the person behind Olaf or Elsa or Dax Shepard, his wife, uh, what's her name? Fuck, Kristen Bell.

Josh: Kristen Bell. Kristen, yeah.

Tommy: Dude, she's the most talented person on earth. Really? It's so annoying. Because she can act and then she has this voice of an angel that— And I said to Amy, has she been like a singer? Like, surely she's done albums and shit. Nah, hasn't done that stuff. She did it when she was young and then does this film.

Josh: I watched an interesting doco on Amazon. Oh yeah. On Amazon Prime. It's all about how Netflix started.

Tommy: So, Amazon Prime, they're nothing to do with Netflix? No. Or they're just— Okay.

Josh: Oh, it's on Amazon Prime. Sorry. It's on the platform Amazon Prime and it's about Netflix. Okay.

Tommy: And it's a privately funded— Yeah.

Josh: It was like it had some shitty elements to it. Like you could tell it was a bit indie. Yeah. But it was awesome. Do you know what year do you think Netflix started?

Tommy: I remember hearing about it, 2000 and probably 4, '04.

Josh: I think it's like 1998. Oh, wow. Yeah. Late '90s before the dot-com bubble. And yeah, it was sending DVDs in the mail.

Tommy: It's crazy. I literally thought after this weekend, I was like, if I went back in time, would I— what would you— what's the one company you would like try and find the people who end up making it and telling them and trying to get in on it at the early stage?

Josh: And I would tell Blockbuster to just fucking pull your head in.

Tommy: While you're over telling Blockbuster to pull their head in. I'd go, who are you talking to? No, I'd go to, um, go to, uh, I was thinking about for Frozen, like, imagine if you knew the premise of Frozen and you like found the directors in the past and said to them, like, is this after seeing Ryan Shelton's, you know, coming back from there? Yeah, I don't know, I was just thinking about it. It's a weird one. So you only got one shot at it and you gotta, and you're gonna, you want to make money, you want to influence the world.

Josh: What company would it be? What product? Interesting. When you go these places, like, it's like with all the COVID stuff, start thinking about like what happens when we die. Like, do you think— because say for instance, like, everything— I kind of understand anything, right? I understand physics. I don't understand like fucking all this shit. I just don't get— like, it's— we even— I see buildings and I'm like, how is that tower like standing up, or how does that build, like, how does that, um, tunnel work? Like, it's amazing the things we build. Yeah, but I don't understand them. And so I'm like, well, maybe like something, maybe there is something that happens after we die.

Tommy: Or anyone who tells you there is or there isn't doesn't know.

Josh: Yeah, we're making it up. But are you fearful? Like, are you fearful of death?

Tommy: No, because I think I do a good enough job at convincing myself that it that it's not happening in this moment. Like, it's a, it's a consistent fooling of yourself. Like, Sam Harris talks about this. We're all walking around. I mean, some people are probably more fearful than others, but then the people aren't fearful haven't really thought about it.

Josh: Or what about— No, but what if you have thought about it? So you blocking out death or being like not really thinking about it versus being like, like, what about if death is better than the current situation.

Tommy: Yeah, I've thought about that stuff. I've thought about if when it does happen, there is this other side that then you're waiting and you can see down.

Josh: It could have been so annoying. Like, imagine how annoyed we would be. So, if like we're putting this off the whole time, like we're like the whole game of life in some ways is like not dying, but then you die and they're like, huh, you made it, you fuck it, you took so long. You took so long.

Tommy: I've got 7 kids up here, you know. Sorry, Amy, but you know, it was a— I had to— What does that mean? My thing is you go to some other place, but you can still see down on Earth and you can still imagine if this is a simulation, for instance, and you plug out of it, which is death, and then you're looking at that simulation still going. So there's all these people watching this TV show. Sure. And what they're saying is Fuck, they're getting onto us. Like, we're becoming more evolved. The concept of it.

Josh: Yeah, sure. Being in the simulation.

Tommy: Well, while I got out of this simulation, you need someone else 50 years to get out of the system.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: And so I had another family. Bodhi's still down there. He's very annoying.

Josh: Yeah, but isn't it weird to think, but also like, like thinking about it, like down, heaven, all that sort of thing. Yeah, like it could be completely different. It could be a control room. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I mean, that's where—

Josh: what's the, what's the point in thinking about it?

Tommy: What's the point in thinking about it? I mean, so some scientists— so you go reincarnation, then you go some scientists are looking at, uh, the consciousness and our experience of it and our brain. It's like, uh, without the electrical system running, like once it, once it's cut off, how fucked is it? It becomes nothing. You pull it like you turn off a light, there's no light. It's gone. Yeah, there's no current. So I've heard it reflect— I've heard people reflect on death is like cutting off the power. Once the power's off, it's completely gone. And so there can't be anything after it. Something— maybe we're being recycled.

Josh: Exactly. But I mean, yeah, it's hard to know, isn't it?

Tommy: It's super complex.

Josh: It is like it. But I think that if we got comfortable, if it— like, I guess this is where religion comes in. If you can be really comfortable with death, then all of a sudden things don't matter. Like, you wouldn't necessarily get the response, you know, like if you're walking late at night and you just see someone being seedy or whatever.

Tommy: What's— what is—

Josh: like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't have that little, um, part of your brain going, oh, what the fuck's going on here? Yeah, because you'd be like, oh, come at me, bro, this is my time. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's too dark. But that's why I think about like planes and shit. I mean, I feel like every day that I don't go on a plane, it's gonna be so weird when we go on one. Definitely. Like, I've travelled a lot, as I've said. He's a well-travelled man. Many flights, many flights. But, um, they'll be weird. When's the next time we're going to be on a flight? I don't know.

Tommy: Anyway. Well, it'll be a year since we were in Los Angeles only in a couple of months' time.

Josh: No, 4 months. Hyperbolic.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But yeah, how do you think we die? Go and, uh, send us an email. Yeah, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Have you actually read up on it, or have you had a near-death experience?

Tommy: Yeah, that's an interesting one. You know, the white light, like, why is that a thing? Why is it that there's been multiple people that have talked about light at the end of a tunnel, seeing some sort of feeling disconnected from their body? I have heard someone speak about it, explaining that stuff. Like, there's always a fucking explanation for everything.

Josh: It's annoying, isn't it? We should get like an expert or something on death. Or yeah, what happened.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly what happens. Like what happens.

Josh: Yeah. When you die. Anyway. All right. It's the Daily Talk Show. On that light note. Have a good one. We'll see you tomorrow, guys. See you guys.