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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 622 and we got Hamish back back in the studio

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to be on episode 500 yeah is just a cool 120 20 like the thing about the show is we make promises but promises promises when we make them yeah, in podcast nine I'm right there with you guys

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as I should basically be cold whims and let down

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Are you just having the thrill of a short term morale boosting promise just sounds so fantastic Exactly. I'll just full of me making things up. I can't deliver the return to her if you decide to just come back and fulfil all the promises of the winds that you may have we kept track of them. occasionally get listeners like riding going. I gotta say that by the end of the year, you would put something in space.

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Yeah, we did and never seen a cool sounding thing to wrap up that it was

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Elon Musk like surely he's making a lot of promises that he's not delivering he sees business model yeah it doesn't have like 10 years for Tesla but the first thing Tesla like Oh god, it's just I'm just about to put the final hubcap on you're gonna love it. He's digging holes. There is tunnels under a lie, but I haven't heard anything of it.

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Tonight I am is fat Fridays. It's where we celebrate the end of the week with our favourite food. Yeah. So we got 97 to organise. What have you got? Well, today, Hamish. You'll be eating hot wings with ranch sauce. A prawn Pad Thai. A double cheeseburger, loaded fries. double glazed doughnuts. I hope I'm getting a kickback from a

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strawberry shake to wash it down and obviously a salad and a monster.

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Already Can you please get all the food? I mean, now we went.

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You literally

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did. There we go.

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You've covered the branding on the camera.

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Okay, great Do you think this would Okay, so there's this so there's the milkshake there's we got the monster I don't know what you can have a smash smash whichever way it's not you've got the most of it I think if you want to add it because like I am the salad that I got I'm not a monster well we spend five minutes analysing it. I thought it sounded crystal clear to me because I got a salad. I'm not a monster

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the monster was the most expensive bit we got

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I got a monster got some

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I'm just kidding at everything so we can

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hearing people tonight how hard it is to get a pad thai at 11

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this studio is literally opposite watermelons

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up until 1130 and we couldn't have that ratio of it not coming.

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This is a double

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This is awesome salad because it looks like a lot of fried chicken. Yeah. And so we've got

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The next 30 minutes feed every bit of food here. I'm down with a soda just had to be there that Jim it's a little bit called

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really not to

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go you guys what I've realised what it just reminded me of is I've got a thing about I'm not having to go here at the quality of a

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low quality fried chicken does something to my guts really crazy food poisoning. Even if everyone is the same stuff. The terms have had horrific food poisoning. It's been like a bad nog or a bad chicken burger. High End stuff you find. I've just realised we don't get people to sign before they ate. We do fat Fridays every Friday. And what if someone got sick from something we'd put together a release form Did you ever think about that doing it like that? Because it's this is the Wild West.

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broadcast on the dark web.

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limited audience of drug dealers on the dark web, watching out

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ISIS drug dealers fat Friday yeah there's a lot coming from Russia watching you know shot here's the thing I mean this this could this could come back to bite me but the bow shorts and a

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lot of frauds could drop on my blue school uniform shorts. But the the we did this thing once on the radio show we wanted to eat the board. It matters because growing up it was like a metal talks about can you eat the whole board? Yeah. And we're like, yeah, should we do it? Should we do it? And we decided together me and me like one episode we just ate the board at Mac as do the show from McDonalds. We're gonna eat the board. Then it became a huge argument because when we were at hospital was like 99 there was a much smaller menu. It was much more possible they ate the bullet. Since then. It's like you got the Angus stuff, wraps all the wraps of the salads like the dessert menus tripled in size. This is spicy too. By the way. I have another spicy. Spicy Yeah, now it's like it came to him. It came down to choosing an argument erupted over what we would decide like that.

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Classic and original. That was the definition so you're not gonna do Angus. Okay, I'm not gonna cheeseburger that is classic double cheeseburger cheeseburger. Not original pounder. No, that would have been a year for sure under our pound. So now

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these are all the ones you can invent. That's great. Thanks. Yeah.

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Rookie

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board. Do you remember the credit? So I didn't instigate I've never spoken spoken about it. But I did an Instagram post, maybe about five years ago about how impressed you were I was just like, so pumped about it was the first time I said, this is a game changer. This is going to be the next McAfee is very much sponsored content. And it was and then you were emceeing a MCAS event. Yeah. And you sent me a photo of their market, their head of marketing,

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be keynote and which is what people are saying. It's taken off like he's a random selection of messages. And I was like, oh, hasn't really taken off in my head I was going on. That's interesting. That

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Cuz

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my Josh he was even writing about it. And literally it was judges

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magazine was calling me only one but that made it up but that's because I don't think the average McDonald's customer is like red rising. Yeah, like you to go. I would like to spread the word here about a great marketing idea and this is an excellent step up for the corporation. Only time you had it tried that one time a few times. But I did the same thing with Domino's. The guy Don who's like the CEO of Domino's Domino's he's got

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he's charismatic. He's very charismatic. He's always on Instagram. Danny Donna boys have good friends with him because I think they do their thing on their podcast about I think they went to the Domino's head office for an episode. Yeah. Well, that's it right? Yeah. No, but he's very charismatic and he got me on there. We started doing these all natural, thick shakes. Yeah. And so I just got obsessed for a long time. So I am someone who leans into brand evangelism when I'm not

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I

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was gonna say with this was the eve of eating the board. We have this argument over the chicken and cheese to the meat chickens in Yeah. Chicken and cheese. No worries like chicken and cheese. Sorry, was controversial like well that is a newish burger. I don't remember the chicken and cheese grown chicken. It's my chicken with cheese. So maybe I need dividing up the board who's gonna do what I can't even do Big Mac, I'll do a quarter pounder. Right, I'll do them faced and you're on double cheeseburger and we're kind of like selecting what half of the board would do.

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I'm going let's do the chicken and cheese. And he's like, I know you're crazy. We've got too many burgers. We're not going to get through them. That's not classic and original. And like I love chicken and cheeses. We're gonna do it. Someone one of the producers went off to buy one was like off this will be a good idea. We're talking about like quarter past four show ends at six o'clock. They go off and buy one. They get stuck in traffic, they come back. It's like an ally that doesn't get this chicken Chase. And we weren't we'd like we'd stop talking about it. But then we're like Alright, last few minutes of the show and we got a chicken and cheese. I'm gonna taste it and if it's

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I think originally ever just been into it. And again, I'm not even sure that Mac is here but it was freezing cold. And my mouse went, Oh, that's the bet that's the thing that like cold like fried chicken does something to me that doesn't do to other people because other people were eating the Mac as they got from them stories in the in your head. I don't know what is it's like a carries a key within it that unlocks some sort of bacteria in my gut. Yeah, that night. I just vomited for six hours had to call off at the bullet was just violently to postpone it to the Monday. I mean, it just got me at the last second when I knew that chicken I was like, Oh, that's my kryptonite. freezing cold. I know someone that says that churner in a can gives them cold sores. And there's something in it. That gives them a cold so it sounds crazy, but I understand knowing I can't describe it any better than the cane alloc because everyone else hates it. Often when this happens and like I had food I got food poisoning one time at La x and we're flying. Like when I was you know, using

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Music I was like 23 and I could just feel and it was from a bad it was from a bad bunch of nachos chicken. No, I don't even need to add them protein to Nacho. Yeah, just like what's your diet nowadays? I mean, you look in lane you're looking right. Sounds great. But I don't know if this was recorded. But before we set up I realised this man took my son to school and I'm in shorts and what cheap socks and sneakers and a jumper on of the school uniform with the sun's primary school, so I I told him to gamble this morning too. Yeah, so we found a tennis ball and we were like, I'll get 10 minutes before school starts do not down ball is he's like no he's just started prep. So this is all fresh. And I showed him down ball and I don't even know down ball is that is that poison ball? Know where you hit it against the wall and you tap with your hand. That's called Foursquare Nana that's called Josh.

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Sorry, sorry, sheltered upbringing to square if there's two when they sounded.

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is an unscripted game you just made us made a wall,

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a wall in the bowl, cold down bowl, there's no mention of the wall in the nine. Well, you hitting the bowl down into the ground and bounces up. And you know the balls there to rebound the ball, you don't wash. It's basically squash with that nut sample.

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On the ground, you don't mention your hand and you mentioned the sky, the breathable atmosphere, that whole bunch of things that are present that you didn't mention, but you just mentioned the bowl going down.

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Just with Sonny then. Yeah, well. I was playing before school and he was brought into it and then I realised we're in the six area

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you know, I don't know this. He's in prep or in the six area. But there was a big kid. They're six foot four. And I think that'll look like they'll give me a bit of stink eye but I had the feel of being the biggest the six

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geeks is felt huge when you were crap. All right one was the other night we had the welcome barbecue for the primary school. Well at the barbecue. He's going to

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Crazy because it's like for a lot of them was first on that that lemonade or whatever and it's like,

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my understanding is like they're all wrestling around on the playground he bumps into one of his friends and she's got a brother in uniform. She thought something pushed her or whatever he comes over he sees it he goes you push my sister is like terrifies No, no, no. And then he like stamped on someone's foot. He was like, I'm gonna if you got my if you push my sister I'm gonna get you freaking out coming to me. Cuz I remember like when you're in prep if he forces I'm gonna get you. That's like a bulky sign

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holding a sheet.

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Like, I might have to move school.

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Got to the Welcome back. You caught it off sort of. What did you do? Because I feel like I'd be a guy. Yeah, I'd be.

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Now I just see us. Could you explain it to him? I didn't want to stay in the moment. That's the moment where do I step in here and go, don't worry. We'll go and sort this out with him. But you know, you just sit back because basically you want to tell

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Can't but you want to spend the whole time wanting to take son might.

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Literally I remember three things from the seven years I was at primary school said none of this matters. There's nothing like this one goes down both. One of them was the rules of the game, go gamble, which is against the wall, like you. So you always want to say to him right now in case, there's not nothing that's happening will ever be remembered. But you have to be like, I understand it's big for you now. Just go and chat to him. You'll sort it out and they were able to sort of being your parents super triggering yesterday rocked up the daycare, and Katie, the teachers in atomic and I have a word to you and now all automatically My heart's going, you know, like it's because I got told off a lot. All right. And then she says that you went, they'd be two schools of thought here. Like one is like your little boy is done something wrong or he's gifted. Exactly. Well, you can be the judge. She said, Can you please have a word with body to tell him that piecing on the ground and laughing is it's not okay. He's there and you're all the other kids. He's piecing onto the floor.

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Inside Well, they

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like teaching them fluid dynamics

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maybe gifted

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early laughs But it is I felt lucky that mama triggered but then I was like Nah, that's not like a piece on the floor. You can piece in the in the guy. Well, I there is a weird amount of public piecing at daycare and

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I was surprised when I remember walking and like, all the toilets are like mini toilet. But the very open like a prison cell is no cubicles. Yeah, like the one of the daycares that we were using. It's like you he's a prison cell. Like you're just piecing in an open toilet with no walls around that good skill because I struggle at the trough and like in prison conditions

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like this.

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I think that's a really good skill. Yeah.

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Like even doing sort of squatting toilets or whatever like the wet toilets in Southeast Asia Yeah, I've fact that so many times I walked once whenever it was wearing socks and it was like night yeah, I feel I've never been at a nail it definitely pants all the way off yeah so you meant it like ideally you take you yeah you take your clothes because I cannot get the angle right maybe my body doesn't fall up right or if I have put my pants around my feet you like when we've been travelling and stuff in when you have to go to squat toilet you put your pants on you fate I squat down my ass is right above

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this I haven't done anything I haven't created any clear and so leverage.

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And then you need like you need a handle in the lane Batman Do you talk to like when you have a kid? Do you talk about toilet stuff because I feel like I I'm 29 but I'm still extra cautious about getting peace on my shorts like and I've got this like feat like always trying to I remember googling it many years ago. I'm worked out

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If you just tap your Gooch after you peace you can get any extra little bit of fluid that's apparently that yeah I actually think this is gross but I think physically you never gonna completely empty the value. Well I feel like that's a new

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the actual muscle that stops you and coming up

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in the units that thing you have like with a straw like with a motorcycle you put anything over the top you can get a straw full and fluid. I feel like you always kind

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of all got a little bit of peace in the I think he's always gonna have it. I mean, you just gotta try and you shake you can use paper if you want. I reckon no matter what you do. Someone's going to get it well it's what we're talking about is young. They're not they don't understand they haven't been affected. You get middle aged you care about it. As you get older. You don't. You're pacing yourself whatever peaks around about Yeah, your teens doesn't. But you I mean, the general rule is you just go like Watch out for way it's got germs in it. Like you know, don't don't that's probably tall leads

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Just be careful Don't touch anything in here. Okay? Even though you're in a sterile that that's the part of you know you have that parent thing we like like a teacher my fun fact he likes this will confuse it weighs dirty, don't touch it. Just don't give up on you when when you go to a toilet and there's the option of cube cubicles or going to the trough. Yeah, uh, you're white. Like, I wish I had the confidence to ya. Yeah, yeah. Where do you Where do you land? You know, honestly, I'm I got no issue with the trough. But if I've just had, if I've just been busy, and I need a bit of quiet time, yeah, I'll take a cubicle. I'll stand but I'll just be like, it's gonna be one for a bit. Yes, lots of money. And I came in here for a break. Usually I do the tour for a bit of a break time out. And I just feel like it's a bit of a hectic day, I'll take a cubicle just for a week. And I know people can hear me just waiting in the queue, and that's fine. And they'll judge me and you can do it your life. And that's what told me I don't know why this is thinking about, you know, don't go

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away. I mean, that's what we do at home all the time. That's how

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Man, I'm gonna sit down a two way I can't be bothered. I'm just wanting a fan response if I go for if I go for way during the night now Yeah, I'm getting old and like my back.

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I was like, I'll see it. It's good. I'll see that not because you can have a micro sleep

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You don't have to even turn the lights on necessarily exactly know what you're guaranteed accuracy. We were having a meeting with an accountant the first one Josh not a couple of days ago, but we were all busting and I found myself at the urinal with the accountant. And it's just like it's where you can't just being silent is a bit weird as much as I don't get weed and silence much. I was like, we continue that conversation. Okay, that's good. And so when are we gonna get this session? We just have a boardroom table with total

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shit and entitle the

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table what do you what have you learned as a parent that you've had to really learn? Like, what is Sonny care about? That you didn't realise was

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Good question. The I mean, just just general levels of interest, I mean, going back to what we're talking about before about going your your impulses to for everything to go. I mean, who cares about this, no one cares. Like realistically this, whatever this issue is in the playground, this will, this will register nothing in your long term memory. Although you do know that you remember some weird stuff when you're a kid. So you know that like the danger is that you're going to like, brush everything away. And you don't want to grow up going, Mom and Dad don't understand. The things are important to me. So it wasn't the thing that I'm always doing is just trying to go is this. Like, how can I go? I totally understand this is important to you now, but at the same time be sweeping it away as fast as I can. So that's, that's the skill. I reckon I'm probably working on the most and you have to be a good cop, bad cop, like you say, okay, so can you play that, like, I'm gonna play this. I like playing like, it's fun to play him. She'll show you the same body like it's it's fun to get back into that world of being at playgrounds and playing and playing gamble, and just

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Just just having a tennis ball suddenly he's like you back to going this is a great half an hour of we just got a tennis ball. Let's throw it around and find stuff to do with it. And neighbour bought Bodie, a blower for his third birthday. I left la annoying but also so cute because it's half the size but me

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blowing leaves Yeah, ever and I mean I don't have a room but I feel like you would have a room but Josh No, we've got a dice and roombas just said have a wall is a wall involved or would he? Do clip it on the wall? Well, man, something why this guy was way better than a room but which is Yeah, he's a vacuum vacuums that guy had the house Did you think it was a bowl game? I was joking. that it could have been a bowl game.

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It sounded like it derailed things. Well, it was worth the risk

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was worth a shot. Look, I'm gonna have a hot wing. If you got a five year old that it gets obsessed with a dustbuster Sunday that's that's a problem but that that is a good room cuz I'm like he's the dustbuster find that like find it. hard to find

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Whatever you can and then for like 10 minutes we'll just be looking on the couches and trying to vacuum everything up. It's amazing. But the Roomba also doesn't dirty. Where's the key?

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Snake is on the floor.

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But I actually see me those roombas can see me

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you're actually take it back. You're not the kind of guy to have a robot. You're the kind of guy that would have a have a few issues with the

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system deeply.

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That you're waiting for bring the mark. Yeah, well, but also bigger spaces, I think. Yeah, it'd be good. I mean, the reason why you here is obviously they promote your podcasting mission handy. dandy show, you know, get it, get it from your favourite podcast, pipe

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or podcast. me you've managed to have a career where you can start. What wins the first episode match. Usually we launched at March Eve, which of course is the 29th of fib. But this year, we've had to push it through a few logistic issues.

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into next week, March six Mother's Day. Yeah. Chicken don't bore everyone with a bit. The few bands or tree issues.

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ducks in a row. So a lot of stuff is here that traditionally March and when we celebrate the return of the podcast, what do you what do you do in the meantime? I think for for a lot of people, right? You get to see you do the podcast you see you on llego masters all this sort of stuff. What's like that time in between for you? Well, I mean, you know, it's like podcast, you guys were hot on your heels. When you do it daily. We're pretty close to we sort of do it weekly, 40 weeks a year, so very close. In that sense. You barely get time to break if you get home, take shoes off, stretch a bit, wash your socks, get back you know, straight back on the bike.

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In between that

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40 days a year that we're busy podcasting. You know, I'm personally my mantra. I mean spit like I'd like I much prefer a project that kind of is like intense for a month or two and then

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Nothing like my goal in life, especially this time of going on kids is to not be busy. Like, I think when people are like, Yeah, man, I'm keeping busy just trying to stay busy and like that sounds like the worst idea in the world to me. I'm very anti busy. So my goal is actually to try and do very the least amount of work for the most amount of reward. I think you hear a lot of people say, I mean, Jules Lundy saying you know what he wants in the future that zero like doing nothing? What's your mind doing? Because you have come from when you were super super busy. I mean, when you're trying to create the career that you want and there is a business to that what is the mind saying when you do have the time to not be busy? I mean, I think it probably just comes a bit with age but it's it's more just about enjoying the present but being present and having kids definitely change the game a bit for me in that way. Like I if if if today I'm in the backyard, and we're feeding some like a broken doll a stick if I'm doing that with my Tehran like I love that like that's it.

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Very happy, rewarding day for me. Whereas I suppose that you know, like, our careers were pretty intense in our 20s we would pay those super hard for. And I guess the idea was like, the reward was delighted. Like it was really fun doing it. We loved doing and we didn't have other things, we felt like we're giving up to do it. And we made that decision and you wouldn't change it. But you're also like, Well, you know, you're putting in the work now for some sort of delayed reward. But for me, the goal is to not fall into that trap of kind of going all I'll have fun later on when I'm finished working to go. I now have I know, in my heart that I'll get to 70 and go I'll give anything to be 30 I became everyone would but and so I'm trying I do try and live a lot in that sort of mindset of just going this season. This is like I've got right now what I know I'll give anything for in the future, which is like an afternoon with a two year old. Yeah, saves. You were just looking at last episode that we did with Episode 100 something you said in that have you got the audio reduced

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Thanks only been for 25 cents event. Yeah, yeah, but can you just play a little bit that Yeah, sure. And we'll talk about it might be the thing that you needed to do 630 episodes of before the penny dropped and the light went on and suddenly it became so obvious to you that you couldn't believe you didn't think of it 630 shows earlier but so basically right off

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the shot is finishing tonight episode I wonder what it's gonna be what's the paint with what pity is gonna drop well now so why did we Why bother

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us because we've we specifically don't get 97

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Well,

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this feels like this is like slick let's pull up the standard like a flashback

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justified the reason why it sounds sheet is because you played it for the transcriber didn't Yeah, yeah. transcriber Yeah,

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exactly a

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lot from the Berlin

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I've thought about that a lot. It's like the thing we're doing right now might not be the thing we do in the future, and it might not. But it will get us there. And so for you, the the Jaime Shannon show where you're at now, what does that what does that thinking, looking back on your career? How does that say? What does that what do you think about I feel extremely lucky to have done all the stuff we've done and to see a lot of the things we've got yet to come in the future. The I mean, for me a big part of life is basically like the stories you get to tell like your adventures you memories, a kind of think that's all that's gonna count. In the end. He's like, what sort of adventure you're able to go on and what sort of fun we have with the people you love and care about and you know, what we had to learn and what we're, hopefully you're able to teach your kids and, and pass on to them. So I'm extremely lucky because I think that that will especially through the radio show days gave us a huge scope to sort of meet fascinating people and go to fascinating places and, and face good useful pressures like pressures of the time we thought were huge and we could, you know, battle them and still have fun and still

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together and maintain our friendship and all this stuff. So I think we, we've learned, I'm really grateful that we were in that, that that sort of hectic environment. And and that's what it is we met but that's the legacy that legacy, we got to have that much fun. And it's kind of like when you talk to 18 year olds, and you go, you know, they're they're full of all these ideas about what they want to do when they grow up and stuff. And you're like, Guys, you don't understand that old the stories you make in like, the next five years, like the high jinks you get up to, that's gonna be like, 80% of your stories for the rest of your life. Because when you're 38 you were all still talking about stuff we did when we were 22 saying to you happy Harry, I'm all like I'm, I feel like I also project myself on on to him because you're writing. What are you thinking? thinking about right now? From from a story perspective, it feel like you're at the beginning of something. Yes. But then I've also got some projects that I've done in the past that are going to continue, and that's what I'm struggling with. He's working at when to end something if you know what I mean. Like

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Half stop beating the dead horse in the white 630 EPS is usually full pack. I mean, if it feels like a dead horse, yeah.

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But, I mean, there's a difference. Are you putting, you know, I got given some good advice to, which is sometimes we go, you know, I've got to stop everything, like quit my job like move away to like focus on this thing that I'm trying to do. You usually don't have to do that usually do have time to do the new thing but you're scared or there's a fear not necessarily you have a bit like generally, there's a fear holding us back. So we sort of blame the other stuff that's in our life for holding us back to the thing we want to do when realistically we've probably got time to almost certainly got time to do both. Yeah, because, as we all know, like one good solid hour, especially in our industry of work, is you can write a whole concept for a TV show or you could like come up with an idea for a film or like one hour of producing a great idea could set you up for years. So you guys got an hour

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It's not that you x, you have another job doing something you like that's getting in the way of that magic hour. It's just that you using your other commitment as a, as a as an easy excuse to why it hasn't happened yet. So I got given some good advice too, which is like, if you want to sound good, like you don't have to put it in an early grave. That's you Brian's not waiting for you to quit all the things that you're enjoying doing and that are working for you to do something else you can do. You can do both things, you can be a lot of different people. Do you think well, we listened to more people when were younger? Like I guess, parents and friends, old friends? Did you know that you've gotten better at sort of finding your own voice? Maybe you do. I think you you know it's that thing of you start at try whatever field you're in, I suppose you start at imitating what you think is good. And then just over time you realise that's what everyone does. And then eventually you find your own voice in whatever that is whether you're like a doctor or an author or whatever it is, you eventually find your own voice and I think the closer he gets to that

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You are you would just be a lot more satisfied. And I think that you do start to realise like, I feel like we're a construct of all the shit that's obviously already happened to us. So you like our that thing, but Tommy always picks up that I correct him anytime he says a word wrong or anything like that. And he's like, Oh, that's Lynn Janssen because my mom would always like I said advertisement once in a film. And she said, No, it's advertisement, that's the American

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and so there's all the all those types of things. I feel like Harry, you've got the pressure to you've come from a country town you're studying in Melbourne. Do you feel the pressure of like, okay, you know, mum and dad have you know, showing me here gotta do everything I can to make the most of the opportunity. A lot of that there's a lot of that feeling and I suppose it's that's the fine one. It's like, cuz I cuz at what I'd be right and saying how you like, I've got to do a good thing. Like I've got a, you know, ever asked you probably what are you going to do? I'm going to do the life. What are you doing next? So you have this feeling like oh,

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I've got to have a plan. I'm gonna impress everyone my plan and my next step. But what I was saying before about like you, you always feel like telling a 10 year old, like, doesn't really matter what your plan is like just just ferociously find something that you love doing. And, and it's an old cliche, but you know, get into it fail a lot. You know, you don't you don't get into it to fail, you think you're gonna kill it, and then you do fail, then you're like, this is a disaster. But it's all that stuff that you realise when you're like, 20 it was the funnest part of you, right? You being an 18 year old because you thought the world was going to end. And it didn't. And everyone has their own versions of those stories. But you, of course, you know, you never get to like write a film with the Express hope that someone at Screen Australia tears it up and laughs and says you'll never work in the film industry. Like no one wants that feeling. But if something like that did happen, and then you kept going with filmmaking, and then when you're 30 you're in Hollywood, of course, you look back on that and laugh. So it's all that it's just that stuff of going. It feels big now and it needs big and I'm not

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diminishing it, people are going through stuff. But it's, you know, you always remind yourself that that's the stuff you're going to have a laugh about. When there's also the convincing yourself of internally that you're on the right path, which whatever that means. It's like, maybe you know, when you started radio karate years and years ago, what are these now and what was at the start? Did you even think about what it would become? Or did you never feel ready? Like I've never felt ready for any aspect? You look ready, I'm like, you looked really ready. He's like, you've done the training when you were young. That was tricky because you got a look at the wall. And as you might have noticed, like a series of numbers on the wall, that's actually a clock. So I have to be able to look at that and just juice time left in the challenge. mela people in the San disappear, just think it's random numbers, not counting down in minutes, hours and seconds. And I've got to be able to yell at the time. So it's tricky. It's really tricky, like a mouse is is very difficult, but I was ready for that because I had experience with blocks but everything else I wasn't ready. I was

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Ready for my life like, you know any like radio deal? You know, I'd always be like, that's it. We're doing like one year. Like, I feel like this is crazy. When 403 200 shows in a year like, I can't believe I'm signing this. That's it No way. One year were retiring and will be like 24 I'm like, that's it after this no way can I couldn't fathom doing more than that. And we just did that like five times. And he's often did it another two or three times, so, but it just always felt like, this is two months, like, I'm not ready. And I guess that was my trick of going, I kept with just one year of like, tricking myself into doing it. And then, you know, you'd get ready as you doing it. That's, that's, I mean, that's certainly been my experience. I've never felt completely prepared for stuff. So and I know waiting until I feel ready is like a guaranteed way to miss out on the fun of life. So, my professional life I've just probably spent tricking myself into, you know, being terrified and then also tricking myself into having to do something anyway because you know, you're going to be

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Ultimately fine once you get into it, what have you learned about being in a team? I do enjoy being and attain? I do. I think it has its pros and cons. You know, I think that I think teams work absolutely at their best when there are degrees of autonomy within the team, I think, you know, record devices fibre tying of a camel is a horse built by committee is true, I think if you if everything is a group decision teams are irrelevant and and and costly. But if if everybody knows they were all in their position and Melissa loves and supports and and like really values the other people's roles and positions and teams that can work phenomenally well like you know, the, the, that's when the sun is way bigger than practice by making some of the parts so those are really fun environments to work in. And I've and I kind of have loved working the tangent because you constantly get told us that you die you just not good at everything. And like even like a mouse for example. That's a spirit

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Different show me to do because I'm used to producing TV ourselves like, it's our production company and we are in charge. Like, we, you know, if something happened and I went, I don't like this, I could stop it on a radio karate show. I cannot have a mission, any show because I own the company. We're along with three other guys. So I ultimately could just be like, we're not doing this on like a mouse is there something happened that I didn't like, I couldn't stop it. I mean, that would listen to me because I'm the hottest but they'll be like, well, you don't own the company. Lego, you're not even the producer. And you keep stealing all the Lego. So we could criminally prosecute.

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But it's a funny environment where you like I don't have you so you would think that would be a more nervous environment to go. I don't have ultimate control here. But I've really liked that experience. It's a really different world. But I'd like to Spain the highest a turn up. What it's told me is the people that are making that show like we have a producer called David McDonald demek. He's so good at what he does. I don't know I turned up obviously the first year ago. I have no idea how a show like this is my i can't i don't know how this

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Made I got a few ideas about how I could fit into it and what we could go for on screen and what what the challenges can be and how we could make this fun. But I'm not in charge of making the show. And so I had to kind of it was my first experience in a wall of working with someone in like a team and a director and stuff that hadn't really met. So it's a big leap of faith. Because I was so used to working with my best mates from high school who you know, you have a lot of like telepathy with and you bring a lot of shared history. So there's a lot of shorthand that we've developed over the years and so suddenly working on a professional level with these people that you respect and admire but you don't know if you're going to gel with and I what I love so much about Lego monster Season One was, they were several times when arrogantly in my head. I was like, I'm so right. And this is what we're doing is wrong, this isn't gonna work. But you know, they've all they've they're doing it and that was it would all voice our opinions and when we'd go away were internally I was adamant it was wrong. And I reckon at least six or seven or eight big times during the show that definitely turned out to be right

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And if we've done the thing that obviously, what I'm doing, we're not doing that, right? Yeah, it would have been a disaster. We've been terrible, because I'm just looking at through my prism. So I really love that experiences a reminder of going. Yeah, that's the point of times, like, if you left your own devices, of course, you're going to try and alter it, and that there's a great time to be an author. But in making a show like that I would have made a lot of it was completely left up to me. I don't know how that would work. But if I was just like the guys, whatever I say we're doing on the show, we would have had bad episodes, and we would have had bad like we would have been shooting a show. So I love to cut those one of my favourite things about doing like coming back going, I loved the experience of going I was super duper wrong a lot of the time. And I'm lucky to work with a team who were really gentle about the fact that I was I wasn't on the right page. And then sometimes I was on the right page, and I would be throw some ideas in and then they would become part of the show and we will better for it. But you hit my ear I wasn't 100% and if you left up to your own devices,

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Just be doing 100% what you want to do so I love coming out of that going I feel like the good things I had to offer for the show were incorporated and some of my

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less well thought out or not appropriate ideas would gently handled and we went in a different direction. And now in hindsight, I realise that was definitely the right direction to go in. And so when do you listen to your internal voice?

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I think you gotta listen to it all the time because that's what you what you what you bring to the table. Otherwise, I'm just a guy that says words. I was gonna say I have an autocue. But we don't have one so I'm not even I can't use an autocue otherwise. So you struggle with an autocue I just don't like doing the same thing twice. So I'm a nightmare in the Edit. I think even for a show like Lego like if I have to redo an intro or something. How much of you like what is there being a specific moment where you've royally fucked continuity or the

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continuity. There's definitely there's anything coming up in this next season where I smash something massive. You really only get one take at that, but I don't wanna brag, but I nailed it. So

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Not only destroyed too badly, but yeah, I, I know if this is a if this is something that needs to be seen properly, I'll put a lot of effort in to make sure I get it right because I hate doing the same thing over and over again. But Sorry about that. So the internal voice because

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essentially, I've learned I learned that first season because I was like, I mean, you know, going into this like, Am I this is a reality show like should I be even doing this because I'm I'm not I've never really hosted anything and so I've done stuff with Ando and but but like driving something and just sort of standing there and going on it's all on May I lie I know I work willing to in an environment where I like to react to stuff and and and I like the chaos and the randomness of just having to react to things that's kind of my preferred game. That's what writing is super fun because you can't plan to as you just reacting for two hours and having as much fun as you can. So there was a bit of me going, that was going well I don't know if my instincts are perfectly matched to this job.

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Because my instincts are reactive, and you have to kind of be managing the vibe, you're kind of in charge of the mood when you're hosting a show like that. So you do have to bet and I was like, well, I want to become Jeff probes. But this is, you've got to kind of be in charge of this room, but I was questioning my internal dialogue a little bit. And you and you know, I'm sure there were definitely parts in that first season where I was, you know, you're insecure and you nervous if this is even gonna work, or it's gonna be a show, or if they made a mistake putting me in here? Well, you probably things pop into your head, but you don't say them because you're trying to play a little safer. But the times where I would just go up, well fuck it and say stuff, you realise they want you step back. That's the stuff that makes the edit this definitely you accomplish things your internal voice, so I think you learn to trust it, but you don't hang on to it too tightly. So my method of working is like I'll just try a lot of stuff and we'll say a lot of things but then if you don't put in the effort, I wouldn't in the Edit, I will totally understand because I'm not saying that because I'm like these musca on TV. I'm just trying to listen to my instincts and in in sort of do what I think is right in the moment.

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But I'm I like working in a team with someone else peaks what was the right thing in the moment? It's not me self pity. Yeah, I think I've seen a real patni and people that are able to pick out weaknesses that they have I me personally, I can identify all my weaknesses. But I thought i don't know i

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mean this works well then knowing your strengths I think he's a tough thing. Yeah, because it relies on this convincing of yourself to know that I am actually good it's not any self self doubt that could creep up to smash it down how you with identifying your strengths? And I think i think i think the more I think I know what I'm good at but the battle I think, I guess for anyone is to go know what you're good at. But I think for anyone it's simple to go but I'm not flawlessly good. So it's like something like Lego is a kind of a great show. The reason I love doing it is it kind of fits the mould of what I think where I think I can bring something to the table which is I can say some stuff but it's not flawless and it's like even more it has a huge effect.

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From some is a plus and some is a big old day. And on a live show everything's gonna make it so you big old fails, like you're going to be a bit more obvious but I'm a show where you're literally in a shared for like 12 hours making Lego and you're speaking for six and the episodes 45 minutes long a lot of stuffs gonna hit the cutting room floor so I'm you know you I'm like that suits me well because definitely what everything I'm gonna, I'm gonna say is not great, but some of it hopefully is good enough to make it. Do you then start to realise, okay, all these conversations that you had previously with radio karate where you've had control? Do you think that going into those types of projects where you can make the decisions? Do you think that you would be more detached now and I but that's what it's are you? Possibly yes or even after Lega? Maybe a bit more so but I think the one of the reasons we work well at Radio credits that's me and me and Tim and Ryan, is we have such we do have very different brains and we happily hand over tasks to other people.

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To do, and we've got so good at not making, like when we actively aren't the committee like we don't, we got we got good, I think letting go of some of the arbitrary things like but we all have to be in here or we all forget to think of an idea. It has to be nine o'clock. And then, you know, the things we realised, done can in the end, like the, like, sort of arbitrary adherence to rules and norms and traditions of work. That was the stuff I really think early on, we were like, Well, some of us don't work that way. And that's totally fine. What we care about is getting a good show on TV. And part of getting good on TV is coming up with a good idea. Another part is then recognising the good ideas that have shaped ones. Another part is then when you've got the good idea, all the massive amount of work and preparation it will take to give you the chance to be filmed. Another part is when it is being filmed. Did you execute it well, and other part is after it's been executed? Well, can you edit it properly? And otherwise, like once you've edited probably can you smooth it and do all that stuff? So we all know the parts and we all know we're definitely not masters of every part.

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Look down on Michael bungay standard

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I was talking to him the

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book. He hasn't come yet. I really, which was the coaching habit or the

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advice trap comes out tomorrow. Gotcha. But I did all that they sound like they sound like great books. Yeah. And so anyway, I grabbed I did a bit of the coaching thing. I thought it'd be fun if TJ you could coach Hamish, and we could just say how in the show.

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So how much have a

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really great question. Well, I guess if you measure up my father's expectations, I'm good. I feel good. Definitely good. What's, what's the biggest challenge for you at the moment? Biggest challenge I for some reason, it's time management, even though I'm not doing heaps. That's a bit of an embarrassing challenge. But I would like I'm practising I'm, I'm practising with a few different ones.

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structuring my wake, you know, bit of a life change I want to be there for pickup and drop off from a little boy at school. But I should still have a bit of time around that with podcasting wants a way to create time to because I'm in a bit of a blank slate at the moment like we don't have too many commitments coming up any I will hopefully do another travel show in the not too distant future. We do love doing that. That would be a huge call to pretend that that's a pressing issue though. So I've got space to to figure out what a fun new project could be. My challenge is protecting the space. What else? Oh, it's good. I'm not getting sick from that one bite of chicken that I had. Yeah, yeah, that's a huge challenge. I can feel happening internally on a on a microbiological level. So I've got my microbiome is finding that

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if I do get sick, I'll need more time.

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What else in the year I mean, just being good. Being a better dad being a better husband. There's a that's important to me. I think the more time you put into that stuff, the more

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results you will get not always great results. But you know it certainly if you do want to be a better dad and you want to be a better husband as well as time and attention. So that's, that's on my mind. What would be what would be the brave thing to do?

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right thing to do would be to tell my wife that she wasn't very right about an argument we had this morning about processed porridge versus uncut steel cut oats. I like the sachets. And I'm allowed to have them because I'm a grown up and she's never questioned that but then the kids see me having them and they want the sweet porridge. I mistakenly thought that there was about 10 grammes of sugar per hundred in the sachets, I think that 20 you're gonna give you also put sprinkles on and that's on the steel cut out. Okay, so you're right. That's and says I guess a lot of effort to make them and then it became a bit of a thing that's why because they'll you know

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They just tired. They melt down at breakfast time and in my head. I mean, it's not a big deal today to just give him sachet porridge. And it's like, it's like it's a really good food. It's pretty sugary. And I was like, Yeah, I get it but I'm giving to me anyway. It's the right thing to do would be like you're 100% raw.

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And I I pride myself on nine being numbers man and facts, man, and I thought it was about 10% you're gonna look it up later and it's about 20% sugar.

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I mean, that's Yeah, and still cut out, to be honest, is about 3% sugar. So, you know, honestly, the breath would be like, yeah, that's that's we can we can rejig. You know, we can reject, we can reject the situation.

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And how that was perfect. Thank you. Something to think about. calls are a ride home to tag team with my daughter and we have a little parts conversation. I respect Thank you for coming on the show. It's a daily talk show actually. even talking about body cameras.

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Yeah, he wants to buy the one day x which is right across every Do you have any lonely for a steal?

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The Uber rates integration, we're getting 10 grand, so we could

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do that. Any questions on TV very, very quickly.

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So like,

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note travel god gappiya. Yep, yep. How do you make sure you don't like because part of it is showing the differences between our culture and their culture, some of the truth. How do you make sure you don't offend that culture when you're reacting to have a? Yeah, that's, I mean, I guess that's that comes down to a level of degrees and probably more just human decency and sensitivity. It's a good point, because we done I mean, it probably happens before we even get close to doing stuff with PayPal. We certainly don't want to offend anyone with em. And we also don't want the tone of the show. I think it'll be

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double whammy like it wouldn't be funny and it wouldn't do damage. It's nothing nothing you want to put into the world to just, the whole point is to try and laugh at what we've got in common rather than highlight the differences we have. So probably comes into work when we're doing our research and kind of like going, Okay, well, we're going to find a monk that runs across water or whatever. That seems like a fun thing to go and do. We needed to sort of tick two boxes. The best best stuff that we're looking for is like, easy sort of a unique thing that we haven't heard of before that makes us laugh and we would genuinely want to go and do this like we get Time waits to do something. Yeah, Jimmy. Let's do this. Like if I can't believe I did, it's like what a great story. Let's go and let's make this god tallboys Tahiti Gamble's just to be clear. That's like right around the base rain so actually really, technically, I mean, you can be you can feel it on your dick and balls but it's like the base of your abdomen.

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And that that goes that relief like 300 kilos, which is a main sign daily flatline daily

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Something like that. That's a great example because you like, Okay, this is mainly it involves digs, it involves gonna be weird people gonna be like, what is this? Like what is this thing but we know we want to go there and go like we get this as here this is important to you like you wouldn't put the practice into do this, we want to make sure that when we turn up with things, I mean that genuinely to us, it's fascinating and fun, but it only works if we're having fun with the person that's doing it. Like we genuinely and generally are finding people that are making their own fun. Like that sport is not for everyone, but the guys that do it. And it is just guys.

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The guys that do it, it's fun for them. And it's like and I think that's what draws us to us. We're like, we want to go and find that like we have a lot of stuff that we think is fun. We want to go and find stuff that that these guys are going this is fun for us and gamble and understand why it's fun, for example, so just very foreign to Josh. Well they doing the work for you like the guy with the academy came and found you. What was it? It's okay. What's the name of that buddy? The Wolverine Wolverine the game like that dude, you're right. You don't need to do anything. He'll do all the work.

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Boy, America is a different story because it was like born today on TV. But you're right, in a sense, they are doing all the work for us. Because generally we meet someone at the end of a long, like 510 20 years of investing their time into a passion that to the average person in Australia. He's in his will take a second to get their head around, like, you know, what, having Wolverines and training them for avalanche rescue, like, That's his passion. It's not my passion that will be waiting for both my passion and I've never met a goal for him. But I can understand it because I we love seeing people passionate about stuff. And I think I know and I just enjoy immediately jumping into people's worlds and sharing the passion like that's what makes us happy. And that's what gives us fun doing it. And we hope and I think that there's an antidote against win against feeling like we're exploiting people because we're not we we our genuine goal is to celebrate with them that this is fun. Like, we love fun. And as I mentioned any we love having fun. You

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Got something that you clearly have fun with, let's all have fun together with this thing that you have love it. It's entering into the fun, right and entering to the fine. Like we want to be on the ride with someone not watching them on a ride going while we're driving. Yeah, great question, Harry. Harry. And yeah, so hopefully, it is something we think about. And for those reasons, we wouldn't have any fun doing it anyway and be, you don't wanna put stuff into the world that, you know, we don't want to divide people. Like the whole fun of this is like, we assure that everywhere we go in the world, you will find people that are having fun, I'm sure if you go to North Korea, and find people that are having less of a barrel of a laugh, because it's not a place you haven't used to have a better life but people that just like us, you want to have fun. And that's kind of what we love about it. It's a daily talk show. Hi the daily talk show comm you want to send us an email. If you want to subscribe on the podcast apps that's also appreciated. Otherwise say tomorrow