Temperament Issues

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 605.

Tommy: What's going on, guys?

Josh: Why did you just press play on YouTube?

Tommy: I didn't press play, I just opened it and it automatically pressed play. You know how it does that, like when you just open something and it's like instantly starts?

Josh: Are you gonna show us something?

Tommy: No, I was like just quickly checking something. Okay, but I've been called out, like, you know, mid-meeting, you're a bit bored and you're watching something.

Josh: It's not a good look.

Tommy: And then just get— ah, anyway, no, if I, if if I'm to be honest about what I was looking at. Porn? No, my new favourite YouTuber. I found him.

Josh: Who is it?

Tommy: He's the most— as someone commented in the comments, the most likeable guy on YouTube.

Josh: Really? Outside of us? Yeah.

Tommy: I don't know how it was pushed to me, but it's— I've been watching like that subsistence living. Like, it turns out there's people that just like, um—

Josh: what does that mean?

Tommy: What is subsistence? Tiny house subsistence living here, like living off the land. So very few supplies. It's like, you know, but people do a version of it where it's like subsistence, but it's like slightly a con because it's, I take a bunch of supplies and I try and last a bunch of time. Anyway, people just have videos of them camping in the freezing in cars and shit like that.

Josh: I know this kid.

Tommy: Is this the camping kid? No, no, no, no, no.

Josh: It's not the camping kid.

Tommy: There's a camping kid, which it was really great. No, but there's this guy, Steve Wallace. Steve Willis, Wallace, I think it is. Mate, this dude is just an old— not an old, but he's like a dad. And he— I found this one video of him. He's like doing an overnight camping adventure in his car at the airport. So he goes to the long-term car park and he does a mission. So the mission is I take my camping supplies, I've got my car, and I like lay it out. I have to sort of like the security patrols And he's like, now I'm going to the lounge to have a beer. And he goes in for a beer and comes back out, gets in and he brought like a rice cooker. And it's just the cutest content I've ever seen. This guy, you're like, at the first you're like, this guy is a bit of a joker. And then you're like, oh no, he just loves this. You've never seen somebody who just loves doing this. And he's built 250,000 subs. He's a baller.

Josh: I love it.

Tommy: His videos would be getting more than some of Logan Paul's.

Mason: So the one that you're talking about, what I appreciate is the title. Stealth camping in airport parking lot with SUV in brackets highly patrolled. 1.2 million views.

Josh: That is good.

Tommy: Like, I, I just wonder about him. I know he still works because he's like, uh, he's got beer sponsors. Oh great, people that support him, and he puts up a list of names that must send him money so he can, um, buy beer for the camping trips. And so he did one out in like this, um, homemade igloo style thing, but he's just— they're just 18-minute long videos of him just having the time of his life.

Josh: Is a homemade igloo actually involved ice?

Tommy: Well, it's not— an igloo is one where they do the little like cubes of ice and then they sort of layer them up. This is— I didn't even know this. You just push a mound together, leave it for a couple of days, and then it goes hard and then you can dig and go in and create your sort of internal little igloo home inside of a mound of snow.

Josh: Could we do a show from an igloo this year?

Tommy: That'd be— probably not this year. No, only because where are you getting one? We need—

Josh: it needs to be cold.

Tommy: It needs to be so cold and a place where people are quite often doing igloos. It's a quinzee.

Mason: That's what it is. Is that the snow hut? It's a quinzee.

Tommy: A quinzee. Yeah. But so what I mean is you could go to Alaska. I'm sure we could find an Eskimo who's building these things and just does it. And then we just find their one. And go in.

Josh: That sounds fun.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Anyway, we've got, uh, Cam D'Antoni on the couch. How are you?

Cam: Hey guys.

Tommy: How are you, buddy?

Josh: Yeah, I'm—

Cam: I feel like I'm a bit starstruck, like, I've listened to this so much.

Tommy: Um, we met Cam the other day. We'd been speaking online. Cam is the digital producer of Jason PJ.

Cam: There we go.

Tommy: Love it.

Josh: AKA Franco. Yeah, which I was going to call you Franco and said— I told Sevs that I was gonna— because I actually, when I met you the other day, and I like, I was like, oh, this is the moment, I know Cam, but then I panicked, so I didn't actually use your name because I didn't know.

Cam: You wouldn't know if you had the right name. If, if it's in the KISS building, I am Franco. That's exactly— yeah, I don't respond to Cam when I'm at work because there are too many Cams in the office.

Josh: It's a nickname thing, isn't it? Like when you work in radio, there is a real push to a nickname.

Tommy: I mean, Jase is from the school of the Kyle and Jackie O days, and Kyle's like renowned for just nicknaming everyone. Lab rat. Did you have a nickname when you worked with Kyle and Jackie O?

Cam: No, I didn't, because I wasn't officially on their team.

Tommy: I thought you were going to say you weren't worthy enough.

Josh: Kyle.

Cam: No, but Kyle honestly didn't know my name.

Tommy: Who's that guy?

Josh: That was your nickname?

Cam: Yeah. No, I got invited to his Halloween party. But didn't know his name. No, he didn't know my name.

Josh: Who actually did the invite?

Cam: That's actually a very good question. I have no idea where it came from.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: But it happened. Yeah, I did receive an invite.

Cam: It had my name on it.

Josh: Really? That's official.

Cam: Yeah, Kyle came and chatted to us. Didn't know my name.

Josh: What do you think about the whole, like, getting an invite? We were talking about it yesterday, like RSVP. Are you someone who would prefer to get a physical invite? A text message or a digital link?

Cam: Uh, I, I'm in the text message camp, I'd say.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, I've got the—

Cam: it totally depends whether there's as well what's how big the event is. Like, obviously a wedding is different to a weekend.

Tommy: Well, the thing is I got a, um, hard copy that then prompted to do a text, and so it's like this cross between—

Josh: it's not good.

Tommy: And I forgot, and I forgot it was my best friend's wedding. I was like, ah, fuck. And then last minute they messaged saying, uh, are you coming? I said, of course I am, I'm so sorry, I just forgot the text.

Cam: I kind of like that.

Josh: How do we feel about like if you have an event, like how do you feel like if I invited Cam to Bodhi's party, would you be cool? If he had his—

Tommy: I mean, he's a, he's a weapon on the camera, so if he had his little cam there, a gimbal, just had a little gimbal there to do a 3-year-old birthday party. Have you done a 3-year-old's birthday before?

Cam: No, not yet.

Tommy: What's the— you've been a video freelancer in the past?

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: What's— have you done any weird wacky videos?

Cam: Um, honestly, when I was doing video freelancing, I was doing clubs mostly, like, um, like working as like a photographer. Yeah, yeah, nightclubs. So yes, my fair share of strange things I've seen on the camera that didn't make it into the final cut.

Josh: But how do you get into nightclubs, as in like photography?

Cam: Um, just contacting owners, I guess. I kind of fell into it by— I used to do concert photography from when I was like 15 years old.

Josh: What was your first concert that you photographed?

Cam: First concert that I photographed, I think— oh, I know the second one that I photographed was Hilltop Hoods.

Josh: Oh yeah, good.

Cam: I'm trying to remember what the first one was.

Tommy: The— I think most people end up in the club thing is because if you're young and you go into clubs, you're, you're a liar. Hate people. Hate nightclubs. Almost underage.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you were doing it.

Josh: I did a little bit of it, but it was, it was a lot of like, oh, oh, week university style phone parties. Yeah. Traffic light parties. Geez. You know the traffic lights? You know how that works?

Cam: No, no.

Josh: What is it? You wear the colour whether you are red, as in you're, you're in a relationship. Orange is like on the fence.

Tommy: Soon it'll be banned.

Josh: Green is all clear.

Cam: How many orange people were there?

Josh: I can't remember.

Mason: Orange Orange is an interesting choice.

Josh: It is, isn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, well, ready?

Cam: That could be anything.

Josh: Yeah, well, I think that that's the thrill. Yeah, potentially. But I guess red and orange are also quite similar, so it's— yeah, a bit of a nightmare if you— if your red's not really red blind. Oh yeah, how would you go, Sevs?

Mason: Yeah, it'd be a struggle.

Josh: You'd be trying to kiss everyone.

Tommy: Yeah, but I mean, you could—

Mason: no, you, you'd know what order it is. Orange and red, you wouldn't Yeah.

Tommy: Have you got your license, Cam? Yeah. Yeah, you do. I don't know, you've got to ask young people these days.

Josh: How old are you?

Cam: I am 23.

Tommy: Yeah, you're still—

Josh: almost forgot there.

Tommy: You're still young. I think there's heaps of 23-year-olds to 25-year-olds— sorry, 18 to 25 that are holding off on getting their licence these days, which is crazy to me.

Josh: Did you grow up in New South Wales?

Cam: Yes, yes, I did. So I don't even have a car in Melbourne, so I probably wouldn't be the best driver seeing as I haven't driven for a while.

Josh: Did you get your manual or auto?

Cam: No, auto. Okay. Hopeless with manual.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, you sort of wonder what's the point.

Tommy: Did you get manual?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. But I think it's like, because then you can do auto.

Josh: Well, yeah, because that's the thing. You just get auto, it's sort of like, um, it's like the equivalent of only getting your, like, getting your licence but you can only drive in the day. You know, it's like you don't know what's going to potentially happen.

Tommy: No, that's pretty much P-Platers these days.

Josh: Is that really?

Tommy: No, there is a—

Mason: you have to have a manual car, like, you need to train in your manual car. And no, like, none of our cars— well, we have one car, but our car's not manual.

Tommy: I remember it was like—

Josh: that's because all the cars are too fancy nowadays, you know what I mean?

Mason: Like, yeah, yeah, Bentley's automatic.

Tommy: I mean, I'm not getting— I'm not driving a manual. Like, if, if I was to get a sports car, half of them aren't manuals these days, they're Tiptronic autos. But I remember I used to find it really attractive when a woman, you know, like, I had a girlfriend that was like She was such a good driver in a manual.

Josh: I was just like, could you parallel park as well?

Tommy: I could do it all. But for some reason I say it sounds so dumb. Yeah, in hindsight. But I was like, for some reason thought it was like really hot. Fuck yeah.

Josh: I sort of get it. There's like an independence to it. There's a like, especially like when you're 18, like drive-throughs. I had the domain name the drive-through years.

Tommy: .com.

Josh: I had this idea, like, I really blew out after school, and I reckon part of it was just because, like, it got real easy to drive and get whatever you wanted to eat. And so I was doing it so much, and I just— yeah, so I wanted to, uh, to start, like, I wanted to create a documentary.

Tommy: Um, The Uber Years, Restaurants Gone Down.

Josh: Oh yeah, I actually— one that I wanted to do, I was thinking about the other, other day how many documentary feature-length documentaries I've wanted to create. But there was a big one I wanted to do. Um, it was— I had the, um, domain name. It was about friction. It was like the frictionless society, and I wanted to do it about how Amazon— I wanted to do it in conjunction with Amazon coming to Australia, and I want to show how like we're all basically just becoming hopeless because we have no friction, because it's just like we're Uber Eatsing shit.

Tommy: Well, that's what people like I mean, I even give you a bit of shtick. I call you like the modern-day man when I come down and you've got a pre-made meal.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Or like Uber.

Josh: Well, you went to my house the other day to film and you needed to—

Tommy: I didn't want to cut you that deep, but yeah, when you open your pantry and your fridge, which I'll get a shot—

Josh: you need to get a shot of a fridge. But there's fucking— there was like what? There would have been a thing of pickles, a thing of jalapeños.

Tommy: It's a clean modern-day fridge. Like, I call you the modern-day No, the modern-day hunting and gathering is JJ walking down to meet the Uber driver to get the Uber Eats. Like, I just— and that's where you see, like, people are saying this generate— the new generations are soft as shit. If something goes pear-shaped, if there was some zombie apocalypse, or even if Cam had to drive manual in an emergency, if none of us could drive and we needed to get away because zombies are coming, Cam, could you save us in a manual? Could you get— and like, you'd find out, you would know in the first 5 seconds.

Josh: If I can get the thing on and rolling, then we're good. I mean, that is bunny hopping to death, you know.

Tommy: It is the hardest bit, just getting it off, because once it's sort of gone, you could take your foot off and it'll just like— yeah.

Josh: But I would—

Tommy: I mean, I wouldn't put my money on Cam getting us out of here.

Cam: No, I wouldn't either. Good choice.

Tommy: But he'd make a good video about the whole thing if I could get us out of there, or you could, because Mason's—

Mason: yeah, I'm like, no.

Josh: Well, it's like when I got the, got a bike and I bought it off Hamish Blake and he'd sort of, I'd sent him a bike previously that I wanted to get. It was a sort of a cheap bike. He's like, oh mate, that's a shit bike. Yucky. Yuck. He's like, I've got one for sale, you can buy that off me. And so he gave it to me for half price. It was great, which is the bike that's currently on my winning on the balcony.

Tommy: Do you feel bad selling it if you were to sell it?

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I can't sell it. Making double the money.

Josh: He still brings it up like very sort of presumptuous, just like you mentioned the bike. I was like, fuck, I was so close to selling the bike. I'm glad I didn't.

Tommy: But could it be a communal bike at the office? Could we get it like tuned? If we got it fixed up, hang on the wall and sort of like someone can take it if you want.

Josh: If you just got rid of some of the— if you fix the chain.

Tommy: Yeah, that's a new chain.

Josh: Yeah, rusty. Um, and so, but when I got it, I didn't like— it was like a race— it's not right, it's a— what's it called? The, uh, what's it called? Cyclocross.

Tommy: Yeah, so it's like Not a 100% road bike.

Josh: Yeah, but it's got like all of the gear changing and I had not like— he was under the presumption that— assumption or presumption?

Mason: Assumption.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: He was assuming he was.

Josh: But so presuming versus assuming, you know, the difference?

Tommy: Pre— to pre-assume assumption. My son's pre— yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

Josh: Do you know what?

Tommy: So this is where we get bogged out. We can't do— you can't do this on live radio. No, you don't. To this extent.

Cam: Well, your voice doesn't get edited either, does it?

Tommy: No, no, no.

Cam: Oh, God.

Tommy: Welcome to the future.

Cam: That stresses me out.

Josh: The— When you found something out?

Mason: The degree between the words— The difference between the words lies in the degree of confidence held by the speaker or writer.

Tommy: Oh, it was absolutely no confidence. So, which one is the most confident?

Mason: Both mean to take for granted.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Or take something as true. As in to take something for granted. Or to take something as true. It is. He— Hamish is taken for granted.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he thought that I would be able to ride it. And so anyway, I didn't touch the gears the whole way home. And so I was just like, like when I was at the lights and, and, um, Jack Post was actually riding behind me and I was just like this the whole way.

Tommy: And then is that a high gear or low gear? I haven't been on a bike in so long.

Josh: So like, that would have been a high gear.

Tommy: The high gear is really easy, so it's what you try and go up a hill using.

Josh: And so it was just like I had to get to some ridiculous cadence just to get the thing going.

Tommy: That's so crazy.

Mason: And you haven't used a bike with gears?

Josh: No, I've got a bike with gears.

Tommy: Yeah, but he didn't want to do it.

Mason: But that was—

Josh: that's my first, like, I had to learn how to do it. Really?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Well, because they're not just normal gears.

Tommy: How's this change from the guy that can't drive manual?

Josh: You do even own a bike?

Mason: Yeah, well, Dad, yeah, we've got them in the family.

Josh: Dad, we've got them.

Mason: We've got two mountain bikes. And a couple of road bikes.

Tommy: Both dads.

Josh: Are you wearing any of you— are you wearing dad's undies today? Nah. You sure? I feel like you're not sure.

Mason: Just his t-shirts.

Tommy: Really? Yeah, that's Rick's t-shirt.

Mason: No, this is, this is my one. He doesn't have plain t-shirts. He's only got G-Star Raw t-shirts.

Josh: Anyway, what's his deal with G-Star?

Mason: He just loves G-Star.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Loves kombucha too.

Josh: Does he really, mate?

Tommy: I love kombucha too, Rich.

Mason: Rick.

Josh: Rich. Rich.

Mason: He doesn't mind Rich. He gets called Rich at work.

Tommy: Does he? That's just by people that don't know his name.

Josh: How do you know that he gets named Rich at work?

Mason: Because he— when you— when he gets text messages.

Josh: Well, you're sharing an iMessage account as well.

Mason: Yeah, definitely. No, that's— I'm not even kidding. His iMessage goes across multiple of our devices at home because it's just the same. We've got a family, uh, iCloud account, and so it's just an absolute nightmare. Mum gets his message like it's just What?

Tommy: Hang on, how does that work? That's worse than Josh getting— me getting Josh's calendar invite.

Josh: It's annoying. And I'm sure you probably set it up.

Tommy: Did you?

Josh: Is it your doing?

Mason: No, no, I— because it happened when I didn't even have an Apple phone.

Tommy: Yeah, because you set it up because you don't have an Apple phone. Anyway, Hamish Blake was assuming that you knew how to use gears.

Josh: Is that right? Absolutely not.

Tommy: But you had no idea.

Josh: Well, what should we do with this bike, by the way?

Mason: Bring it—

Josh: so we'll bring it to the office and we need to service it.

Tommy: Yeah, easy. We'll get it served.

Mason: We'll get it to the Adventure Club.

Tommy: Definitely. Yeah, we'll take it. Do you know who we could take it to? Guys from Curve.

Josh: Nah, it's a Specialized. So Curve is like a primo bike, but they've got their own. If we took a special—

Tommy: we haven't mentioned him for a while— Ramble Campbell. Oh yeah, he's good at all bike-related things.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: Um, so we'll get him in to service it. Rob Ward?

Josh: I mean, I know we're getting better.

Tommy: We don't need the CEO of Quad Lock to be spending his days servicing your fucking bike.

Josh: No, I'd appreciate it. And so you haven't— have you driven at all when you've been in Melbourne?

Cam: Yeah, from time to time for work. So I am capable of driving like a hired car or we have really big vans like the KISS FM vans. So I'll ride them around sometimes.

Josh: Have you signed anything saying that if you crash it, you have to pay for it?

Cam: No, not for the vans. I have them. I have my computer, my technology, but not for the vans.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so they— so you broke a screen 2 weeks into having your laptop?

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah.

Cam: So brand new laptop, top of the line MacBook Pro.

Josh: Um, they gave it an i9 or i7. What is it?

Cam: Uh, i7, but it was the top-end i7.

Tommy: Touch Bar?

Cam: Yep, Touch Bar.

Tommy: So the real new one?

Cam: Yeah, the Touch Bar survived. But I, um, I usually— I was used to keeping like paper and stuff in my laptop when I'd close it.

Josh: Just was it like a run sheet or what was it?

Cam: It was, yeah, no, it was a run sheet. Um, and I just had a staple in it. There wasn't anything like— it wasn't two pieces of paper 2 pieces of paper stapled together. It was just one piece of paper with a staple in the perfectly wrong position. So close the laptop, heard a crack, thought nothing of it, and then open the laptop a few hours later and there was that tiny little crack had just run all the way up the screen.

Tommy: God, I mean, it seems like such a weak piece of gear at that point. Like if a staple did it, did it in.

Cam: Yeah, 2 weeks in especially. I wasn't confident with the next one they gave me.

Tommy: I mean, I spilled a whole bottle of water onto like directly onto what was the equivalent of that computer at the time.

Cam: Yeah.

Tommy: Into the back, you know, like where the sort of screen meets the back of the laptop and it just went in and I was just like, oh no. And it was just before the thing. Christmas holidays.

Cam: You know that water is bad for the laptop from the get-go. I didn't know that a bit of paper would, would do that.

Tommy: Yeah. Paper.

Josh: You're saying that what happened with Tommy was like—

Tommy: strong. She got a whole bottle of water down there.

Mason: You know when you held it on top, actually?

Tommy: Yeah, I was pretty over that, John. The dark days of ARN. No, I, um, I literally— you know when you do something and you should listen to yourself because in your head you're like, that there could fall?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then you don't, and then for some reason I was just thinking, boom, my arm hit the bottle of water and the bottle of water tipped over. It was that simple. It's one of those things you look at people who do this kind of shit, you're like Fucking idiot.

Josh: Are you an insurance kind of guy? Do you have a lot of insurance?

Cam: I don't have enough insurance.

Josh: Really? I'm really insured. Yeah, it's a common thing, don't you think?

Cam: Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Tommy: I asked Hayden Dibb if he had insurance for his gear.

Josh: What do you say?

Tommy: No, he's got a lot of gear though.

Mason: Car though, surely?

Tommy: Well, you bloody hope so.

Josh: At least third party, surely. You need—

Tommy: it's actually— is it illegal in Australia to not have insurance? No. In the States, I think.

Josh: Well, you have your—

Tommy: Like actually illegal. So registration is compulsory.

Josh: You have to have your rego.

Cam: But yeah, rego is compulsory. And then third party, I think, is compulsory.

Josh: Is it?

Tommy: Can you look that up? That's— Yeah, because I hope so.

Mason: Driving without third party is illegal.

Tommy: You're in absolute wrong.

Cam: In Aussie, you can get your own car insurance on top of that, but that's up to you.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. The Sydney system's a lot different with the green slips. Yeah.

Cam: Yeah. I actually learned that today. I didn't realise it was different in Melbourne.

Tommy: It means you can have cars on the road in Melbourne that are probably not okay to be on the road because you don't have to constantly having them checked to see if they're able to stay on the road. You just keep renewing the registration. Yeah, it's paid every year.

Cam: Yeah, you've got to get the pink slip, which is like taking to a, to a place to get it checked, and then the green slip, which is totally separate, which makes total sense.

Tommy: Singapore have the 10-year rule or something. I mean, we've got the 10-year rule. Well, so I think you need to be Within 10 years old, the car can't be more than 10 years old on the road at all, mate. Every car on the road looks clean, new.

Josh: It's probably not good for the environment, but I guess it could be because it's all like electric vehicles and shit.

Tommy: They do, they do ship them out overseas, so it's like they get used. Yeah, if you've bones to pick with car, uh, you know, petrol-driven cars, you could still have one to pick with them, but they do get rid of— they're not just going scrap them. Maybe they will, but you can't— you just have to like actually have to get rid of it.

Josh: I could get around that. The, um, private health insurance, I can't work out whether I should sign up again.

Tommy: Well, we asked Barefoot when we were— when he was here.

Josh: What would he say?

Tommy: He said if you don't have a kid—

Josh: no, that was for, uh, life insurance.

Tommy: Life insurance, which you do have probably through your super.

Josh: Yeah. Um, but do I need— guys, like, so I used to have AHM or whatever. Yeah, but what's the— I can't actually work out. So if private health here, private health, it means that if I get hurt or something, not hurt, like, or like something happens to me, like, can I go into an ambulance? Do they take me to like my hospital?

Tommy: Ambulance? So you need ambulance cover, cost of the ambulance, isn't that?

Josh: Oh yeah, so I've got the ambulance. So it's actually up for renewal, uh, March 30th or something.

Tommy: Do you have ambulance cover in Victoria?

Cam: I know that I've got private health. That's about all I know.

Tommy: I don't think you'd include—

Cam: I just know that because I'm under my parents because I'm still young enough to be.

Mason: I have a feeling that private health does.

Josh: They just need to double check.

Tommy: But that's, that's like if you got— so if you were— you fell down the stairs here, say for instance you were driving to Sizzler doing some crazy 8-hour mission there and 8 hours back with Jason PJ team.

Josh: And did you drive at all for that?

Cam: Yeah, I did drive.

Tommy: If the car crashed and you had to be helilifted back to Melbourne and you hadn't got into Sydney yet, or hadn't got into New South Wales, you'd be left with the bill for the helicopter.

Josh: No, they would just get the traffic chopper to do it.

Cam: For this conversation, I would have assumed that I'd be fine, that I'd be covered, but now you've got me thinking.

Tommy: Oh, through work you probably would, but actually, yeah, personally, if I was just doing my own solo Sizzler road trip then.

Josh: I mean, they're getting you to sign a thing saying about your laptop. I don't know about the work.

Tommy: Yeah, that is true. I mean, I got punched in the nose once, broken nose, when had an ambulance come and I—

Josh: How did that happen?

Tommy: Yeah, kid punched me in the nose.

Josh: How old were you?

Tommy: 16 or 17.

Josh: So you're both kids?

Tommy: Both kids, yeah. And then, um, it was like $880 or something. I just remember the bill was quite high. For, you know, it's a heap of money when you're looking at like that. But the ambulance cover, it's one of those things you do, like, is it— what have you— is there anything for you, Cam? Like, my mum has stopped doing a lot of this because I think, you know, I'm 32 this year. You hope it stops around the fucking 25, 26-year mark, is to remind you about things like ambulance cover. Please get it. Yeah, insurance, don't forget. You know, like these little things that parents do. Is there anything that, that you've got?

Cam: Yeah, every time I go home which like is still probably once a month, I'm going back to Sydney. Every single time I see my mum, it's, when were you last at the dentist? Really?

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: When did you floss?

Cam: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Mason: When did you?

Josh: Wow.

Tommy: That's a— all right. I don't know if I want to say it on a public—

Josh: Oh, really? I don't— I rarely floss. Yeah, no, I only floss if I have like steak in between my teeth. I'm serious. But the, um, I need to— so the problem is that my mum's a dental nurse.

Tommy: Or does she hit you up? Because you're still on her Medicare card. Is there anything?

Josh: It's not where— it's sort of, um, I don't think that's the right language.

Tommy: Well, no, but I'm just saying Medicare card. No, you just don't have ties to it. You have ties to it.

Mason: No, you're on the family Medicare.

Josh: Yeah, it's not mum's Medicare card, it's everyone's Medicare.

Tommy: Well, your mum, your mum grew ya, she pushed you out, she got you Medicare.

Josh: She's the one that just—

Tommy: she did all of your admin.

Josh: We've got this guy over here that's saying that his dad's bike is his bike.

Tommy: He's still— he leans into it. He lives at home, he doesn't pay a cent, which we appreciate. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can love the kid. Yeah, keep it up, Mum. But no, what is it for you? Does Mum say anything to you, JJ?

Josh: Um, yeah, I'm trying to think. When I get— when I go home, what she's— she's normally, um, Oh, let me think.

Tommy: Like, for mine now, it's like, have you got enough rest? Have you had— like, it's, it's more just like worried that I'm working too much.

Josh: Oh, it's normally, um, even if I've put on weight, she'll say, are you looking skinny?

Tommy: Oh, that's nice.

Josh: Yeah, but it's sort of, um, and it's, it's annoying because they've got so much food there, so I'm like, oh geez, I must be skinny. I just fucking ate it all. Um, what else? There's definitely other things. I'm trying to think. Like, the dentist thing is an annoyance.

Tommy: Does she say it to you though?

Josh: No, she— to be honest, and it annoys Bri, a lot of the admin goes through Bri, which Bri's like, why does— why is your mum messaging me about this? Dude, she's like, because I don't write— because I don't write back.

Tommy: Mum gets back— mum gets on to Amy about stuff now. Like, even my aunties now goes through Amy.

Josh: Oh yeah, but that's happened. And do you know what, really, when I got off Facebook, like, it annoyed the fuck out of Bri because every time, like people were using her as like my EA, just like asking, hey, can you find out, is Josh going to go to— or she would get invited to Facebook events that were for me just so I was across it. Facebook events, we didn't talk about that with RSVPs. Is that— is Facebook an official way of actually running an event? I don't know.

Tommy: I mean, that's—

Cam: there is definitely, definitely, I'd say it is, but it's also understandable if they then message you just to make sure.

Tommy: So isn't that funny? It's like these layers. It's like the message, phone call, email, like the hierarchy. There is a hierarchy in invitations, but some would be— you could be fooled to think that paper is a superior hierarchy within the superior hierarchy.

Mason: Easier to get out of a Facebook event.

Josh: Oh yeah, just didn't say it.

Tommy: Yeah, I just didn't say it.

Mason: Yeah, you got a maybe option.

Josh: Well, it's, it's gives you like an orange in there.

Mason: Yeah, like an orange, and you can just hold on that and then decide if you want to go on the night.

Cam: There's always one or two people that are just a maybe.

Josh: That's always a no, isn't it? That's a maybe.

Mason: Is it?

Cam: No, I've never seen a maybe at a party.

Josh: It's very true. There's the title.

Tommy: You wear a t-shirt, I'm a maybe, at a party.

Josh: I think I saw Casey Neistat talk about how his whole thing is set the expectation that you're not going to an event and then just, uh, arrive anyway, or just like always set the expectation.

Tommy: What an annoying guest that they've— they wanted for catering purposes to understand if you're coming, you've said no, and then you show up.

Josh: We actually got a good, um, DM, um, from someone last night. Did you see that, Sebbs? What was it about? No, I was doing a bit of back and forth. Um, so it was in regards to, um, they were catching up on the episode where I described How my brother decided to visit my place and didn't tell me that he was bringing a girl. And I just had a shower and I just couldn't be fucked.

Tommy: And he heard them.

Josh: And I heard that I was in the shower when I heard the voice and I sat on the toilet for 5 minutes trying to work out whether I was going to have a blow up and text Bree and say, I'm not coming out, or whether I was going to sort of put me shorts on and come out.

Tommy: Put your big boy pants on.

Josh: I thought you were about to say that. I was about to say that.

Tommy: No, but I haven't asked you, have you spoken to your brother since?

Josh: Should I talk to him?

Tommy: I reckon just next time you see him, did you hear me talk about that? The thing about this podcast is I want to be a coward. We talk about shit that we probably wouldn't talk about to their face, but we're not worried about them hearing it.

Josh: Did Amy have an issue about the whole bringing up the pastor thing?

Tommy: I don't know if she's heard it, but I have no problem with telling her if she— once she— I don't think she would. It was just about something that I said to Amy, then she wasn't hungry.

Josh: Well, you said it on the show.

Tommy: I said it on the show, but I'm just giving you context.

Josh: If you haven't listened to the show.

Tommy: But I never said what that thing was.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So Amy, you're watching, I never said the thing.

Josh: He just said that you said a thing. She wasn't happy, didn't eat the pasta. Were you sharing a bowl of pasta?

Tommy: It was a big, big bowl. It was a big bowl. It was the Veneto Club. Big bowl.

Josh: I might actually go there for dinner tonight. No, I'm joking.

Tommy: Should go.

Josh: Should we go there with Happy Harry as well?

Mason: Yeah, we should go there with Happy Harry. I thought that was the plan.

Josh: I want to go there tonight though. I've decided recently. Twice?

Mason: Two times this week?

Josh: Why not? I've done worse. Yeah, okay.

Tommy: So this is the message from somebody, Kate Empathize.

Josh: So Kate, uh, this was on Instagram, uh, last Friday. Can you change the way you read? What do you want, more enthusiastic or, um, no, I just think the inflections I find annoying, just try a different version.

Tommy: Try be not you.

Josh: Can you maybe just try and pretend like you're not—

Tommy: you know what, can you just phone to Cam? Can you read this?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, actually I want to hear Cam read it.

Cam: Watch and learn.

Josh: Sorry, I've just locked the phone. Off to a bad start.

Tommy: Oh, two non-manual driving heroes.

Josh: Is his password 2689?

Cam: So, Kate says, hey guys, just finished listening to episode 598. It's so good to hear someone else get annoyed and want to hide in their room when people are over. Last Friday, a friend showed up without even announcing. Luckily, I heard the car and had a pre-warning that way. I ended up closing my front door and turning the lights off so they didn't think I was home. Just really didn't want to deal with people, and I've felt so bad since. Until now, after that episode. See, even I can't read.

Josh: No, no. Well, I appreciate one thing that you're doing, which is very hard on a multi-touch phone. You're using your finger. Multi-touch phone? Yes.

Mason: What do you mean?

Josh: He— So, instead of using paper or something, he's got a phone that's got a multi-touch screen. And I saw what he was doing. Cam is the type of guy that needs to use his finger to know where he is.

Cam: Yeah, I definitely am.

Josh: And the problem is that he was nearly swiping out of the message because he was nearly physically touching the phone.

Mason: Why do you call it a multi-touch phone?

Josh: Because the only reason that it was happening was because of the multi- multitouch technology.

Tommy: What is multitouch?

Cam: I think he just means a phone.

Tommy: Touchscreen.

Josh: A phone. So when, before iPhones came out. So before iPhones came out.

Tommy: That's going to explain something.

Josh: So the whole thing with iPhones was the multitouch technology. So, you know, the pinch and zoom. You never used to be able to do that.

Tommy: He knows the pinch and zoom, mate.

Josh: Because it was, it was as— What does that mean?

Tommy: We said it would be so funny if you could actually see in some kind of heat map on where someone is pinching. Zoom on Instagram photos, just pinch and zoom.

Josh: Somewhere is showing that. But anyway, so there wasn't a pinch and zoom back in the day, it was just a single touch. And that was the issue that when we went to Ventra IP and they were showing us that big screen, it had multi-touch, but the app they were using, which was Jira, it's the Atlassian, Atlassian's products. Yeah, they couldn't drag on their canvas. Canban. Anyway, continue.

Cam: And hearing you guys say you, say you're going to bed when you have guests over, my partner always gets up and goes to bed. We held a surprise engagement party for friends and even then he went to go to bed. I always envy him for getting in first. Anyway, just a sigh of relief and really enjoyed that episode, so thanks guys.

Josh: That's great.

Tommy: I mean, what you've— what she's done there is I, I Totally support. You like rocking up to someone's house without even telling them is quite big. Like, that's, that's invasion.

Josh: There was a guy who could— just by the way, a few people have written in. Um, uh, Jake said, lol, okay, okay. Uh, Jasna said, can you change the way you read? Uh, open mouth cry face. Uh, Jake said, bit of angst between Daddy and Sev's. And Grace says, uh, Dad is angry today.

Mason: Better inflections, Josh.

Josh: A beard is Fen says pinch and zoom. He knows the— oh, I won't say that.

Tommy: Can I look at it?

Mason: I missed it.

Josh: I think that's— is that word giny?

Tommy: Yeah, the giny move. Pinch and zoom, the giny move.

Josh: Sorry about that. Uh, hi, Castaway Studios. That's funny. That was really good reading, Cam.

Cam: Oh, thank you very much.

Josh: No, but I think that, um, Here we go. Now, I reckon potentially, not to bring angst into it, but I just think there's probably an energy that you bring to it that's—

Mason: Mate, what about you reading those DMs just then? Those messages then? That wasn't—

Josh: That wasn't funny.

Mason: You needed more energy.

Josh: No, I think that there's probably— So what I find that you do, because I normally love mic technique, like good mic technique, but there's something about you getting right up into it because you— Yeah, we've got a message from— It's a bit—

Mason: You don't like that?

Josh: No, it's too much. I reckon probably a little bit—

Mason: Yeah, a little back there.

Josh: Yeah. And just being able to— there is something in reading and just sort of allowing the words to sort of flow rather than it being so much of a reading thing, if that makes sense.

Tommy: So you have to keep being a robot. I'm alright with it.

Josh: But do you know what I sort of mean? Yeah, but I mean, because it's not the voice that you normally— you're doing a reading voice.

Tommy: Yeah, it takes a lot of effort. Like, I used to read out loud in bed trying to make it sound like I was presenting.

Josh: I'd always bite out a break.

Tommy: No, but I was by myself. It was when I was single and a loser. Not that if you're single you're a loser, but I was a single loser at home trying to be a presenter reading a book but saying it like it was really natural. I can't even remember, but it was like probably some self-help book where I was trying to say it like it's a little challenge. You're like, how can I say what's on the page and make it sound like I'm actually coming up with it right now? I'm actually putting it out there.

Josh: It's definitely— I actually, uh, to describe how much of a big baby I am, there's definitely been times where I've read out loud in bed and Bree said, oh, can you not, uh, read out loud? Like, I'm trying to read my book and I'm just like, loud. I just— no, I put the book away. I'm like, I'm not reading, I can't read. It's just like there's something— I just— I've been in my head all day. I don't need to be in my head more, you know what I mean? That makes sense. Cam, you don't seem like a guy that gets angry.

Cam: I've been told that. No, I don't think I do. I don't know if that's a good thing though.

Tommy: You sound like a character.

Mason: No, that's— it means that Josh can rip into you.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like your passivity.

Mason: Um, Homeboy Jake says, new idea, Seb's and Daddy Fight Club.

Josh: This is good. No, I think it's—

Tommy: you're running on Seb's.

Josh: What's it called? Uh, you've got a good temperament, so you describe it.

Cam: Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

Mason: That's, that's usually for animals. Is it?

Josh: Is it temperament? A good temperament?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Dogs feel a great temperament.

Tommy: Temperament.

Cam: Yeah, for humans as well.

Josh: I think Cam's about to look it up.

Cam: Oh my gosh, are you, are you trying to On the show that I'm usually on, I'm the one that's Googling everything.

Josh: So it's just a habit. Do you have any— No, I appreciate it. What is the definition of temperament? Temperament. Who can get it quicker?

Tommy: It's not that it's a competition.

Josh: It definitely has become a bit of one.

Cam: A person's or animal's nature, especially as it permanently affects their behaviour.

Tommy: I mean, it's— I'm an animal, so it's interchangeable. Yeah.

Josh: Have you been sort of consistent, like from when you were younger to now? Have you always been the same?

Tommy: Yeah.

Cam: Yeah. I've never— Yeah, I don't think I've ever been an angry person.

Josh: How do you— how do I know if you're annoyed?

Cam: It's a very good question. Annoyed is also something I don't usually get.

Josh: Really?

Cam: I think I—

Tommy: What drug are you on?

Josh: Yeah, it's pretty—

Cam: Thinking back to times I have been annoyed, you'll definitely be able to tell.

Josh: Okay.

Cam: Like, I'll be completely off a person if I'm annoyed by them.

Josh: You've stopped being annoyed?

Cam: Sorry?

Josh: You've stopped being annoyed? Like, it's just something you don't do anymore?

Cam: Oh no, no, I still definitely do get annoyed, but I think I— it takes a lot to annoy me, and then the outcome, like, or the how you'll see it, is like the result of a lot of being annoyed.

Josh: Okay.

Cam: I don't know if that's the right word.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. So you like wait and build up and then, yeah, absolutely lose it.

Tommy: You put up with a lot of shit and then you blow it.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Cam: Like, if I'm, if I'm off a person, it's because they've annoyed me a lot.

Josh: Really? Okay. And so I like that. I want to, I want to be more like you, to be honest.

Cam: Oh, thank you.

Josh: So what is If there were coping mechanisms, what could I do to not— like, say with 97, it was pretty rude me just telling him that I didn't like— I probably didn't need to say that about his reading.

Tommy: Do you act on your emotion? So say if you feel something, do you act on that straight away?

Cam: Uh, no, I don't think so.

Tommy: Yeah, why?

Cam: I don't know, I've always just been the type to wait and lay back and just wait and see kind of, kind of thing.

Josh: That's nice. I like it. And so, any tips?

Cam: Um, not really, because it's not something I'm consciously doing. Like, it's not like, yeah, like I used to be angry and now I'm not.

Josh: You said you used to get a bit like back in the day, like there's been a little bit of a shift.

Cam: I'll still, I still have the capacity to be annoyed, but like it's just not, doesn't come by often.

Josh: Where does that come from?

Tommy: Do you think? Is this annoying you now? Because I'd be fucking annoyed by it.

Josh: Well, our editor George is very much the same.

Tommy: I just think people have different temperaments. He like, I get the vibe. I get the vibe from George, but you are not a George or a Cam.

Josh: But maybe I could be closer to him.

Tommy: Nah, absolutely not.

Josh: So you like that I'm just a bit angry all the time?

Tommy: Well, I think you just got to be you, baby.

Josh: I think it's a middle ground.

Tommy: Just do you.

Josh: Feel has really come back in, hasn't it?

Cam: Yeah.

Mason: Yeah.

Cam: This is probably the only brand t-shirt that I have.

Josh: Yeah.

Cam: To be quite honest. A fun fact.

Tommy: Go.

Josh: The radio station that you're at, it used to be called Mix, and before Mix, you know what it was called?

Cam: It was Double T. Double T FM.

Josh: Yeah. And so when I was, uh, about 6 years old, 6 or 7 years old, uh, my cousin was in sales at Double T FM. So this would have been 9— it must have been like 7. It was like 1997 or something. And, uh, they ran an, like, an activation type thing which was connected with, um, Kuyong Tennis, right? And so they basically were— they were meant to have a bunch of— what are you smiling at?

Mason: Where's this going?

Josh: So long storey short, I'll tell you why I'm laughing after.

Tommy: Go on.

Josh: After the show?

Tommy: No, after, after you just tell us.

Josh: And so, uh, now, now you've put me off. Can you say your bit?

Tommy: I've heard the storey many times, and it's something a dad would do— repeat a storey multiple times.

Josh: Potentially, can you find it and we'll do a side-by-side comparison on how the storey's changed? Can we do that?

Tommy: Yeah, in the future.

Josh: It doesn't look like he wants to.

Mason: Why? No, I can find it. Okay, that's okay.

Josh: Fine. Are you— have you got a temperament issue today? You okay?

Mason: Maybe a little bit.

Tommy: I'm about to have one because I gotta jump on a phone call in 5 minutes, so.

Josh: All right. What, 5 to 5 is your phone call?

Tommy: I need 5 minutes to prep.

Josh: You said we're on the phone. Um, anyway, long storey short, we did a tennis thing. Uh, they couldn't fill all the numbers for some reason, or the sales team had fucked up and done it early. And so a bunch of the families got to— of the salespeople got to go and do the thing. And it was being coached by Tony Roach, some old tennis player. And, uh, we got feel again.

Tommy: Great, solid crescendo to end the show.

Josh: I've got photos in case you don't—

Tommy: was Yvonne Goolagong there as well?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: How did I know?

Mason: You've already put the photo up on Instagram. You've already—

Josh: had you ever heard the story? But have you heard the story?

Cam: No, I haven't heard.

Josh: How often do you listen, by the way? How often do you listen?

Cam: Uh, I'd say probably 1 to 2 apps a week.

Josh: Okay, that's nice.

Tommy: Thanks, mate.

Josh: How do you pick?

Cam: Uh, depends on— mostly depends on what other podcasts are available at the time.

Josh: Really? What would you prioritise over us?

Tommy: I just— this is shit that you can have off air because no one gives a shit.

Josh: Just one other favourite podcast, then we'll go.

Cam: One other favorite?

Tommy: Yeah, someone else's podcast. Yeah, no, I appreciate it.

Josh: Do you like how I said one other favourite podcast as if we're his— one of his favorites?

Cam: I obviously— Reply All is my favourite podcast. Okay, the other one I'm listening to at the moment is the Couple of Mitches podcast by two—

Josh: are they great people?

Tommy: Yeah, they're like Mitches.

Josh: Yeah, he actually— uh, one of the Mitches sent us the, um, the headshot signed.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Anyway, you finish.

Tommy: Yeah, thanks for coming in, Cam.

Cam: Oh, no worries. Thanks for having me, Mr. 97.

Tommy: Thank you for being you, buddy.

Mason: No worries.

Tommy: Thanks to everyone on the live stream.

Josh: Please, I'm used to this.

Tommy: We'll be back tomorrow, guys. See you then.