- February 5, 2020
We chat about what our potential career pivots might be, a few chapters from Josh’s upcoming book, eavesdropping and our dreams.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Our dreams
– Mind Maps & Scrivener
– Career Pivots
– Being a PT at Fitness First and Bodyworld
– Tim Ferriss’ 4-Hour Work Week
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 599 Happy Wednesday my frakes What's going on? That's not my new one. That's something new opening nada monda
for some reason I've got a notepad and pen. Yeah. What are you taking minutes of this? Can you take minutes of this episode? I could do show notes for this and it is. I don't know what he does behind the desk, but he is typing a lot of time.
Anyway, we've got George here today. Hi, George. Hello.
How you doing, man? Pretty good. Yeah, just
know everyone. That's about. That's about what I expected. George, thanks for coming on the show man.
97 had some dreams last night. I'm so glad I get left out of these conversations. I'm so glad that you to just this talk about your dreams and exclude Yeah, well, I mean, George Josh and I had great dreams chat. I don't think George had a dream.
Do it was it nice assistant George was dreaming of another fucking conversation. Not that one. Did you draw it to you live with Dr. Dream not anything so easy not to go ahead a pretty vivid dream but wasn't but breaking out of jail.
And Billy Eilish was the security gun.
Sounds like a good music video.
Like that. Oh, wow. 90 sevens involved Steph clay Smith at a colles Yeah. So I kind of
in the middle. I don't know if you can. It's a quite a long one. Now I'll just give you the top level. We're in calls and Steph clay Smith had a tiger in a basket and she switched it out for Cadbury but I was there and I think Josh and Bray were there and it was just saying a switch it after the kabri it was as boring as I thought. Yeah.
I was on a train with Seth Godin.
That's a dream I can get Yeah.
And it was like train rides with it. And the thing was, I was trying to impress him. He was like, I want to catch a train everywhere in Melbourne. And so I just had to like I remember having to sort out like how does the train this to work in Melbourne before he got there? It's very stressful. I mean, most most of these dreams driven around anxieties. Mr. 97.
What are you worried about? Yeah, what could you possibly have? What?
What do you mean nice because I because I was I was on Steph clay Smith's Instagram stories. And, of course,
she was she got a message from she got sent stuff from a target. And so okay, that's right. All right. Now, I just don't know what's reality and what's not because it's all put potential by
but you won't find a target it calls. That was one of the biggest issues with the Drake. Yeah. And then she also walked up the wrong way of the escalator. Yeah.
You've got your notepad and pen out.
they were obviously having a meeting with some bloke and you know I love Eve is eavesdropping on conversation. And I mean you could have just plunked you and i into this conversation because it was two guys that own a video production company and speaking with somebody about video production It was like an agency guy. But one had a notepad and pen Do you think it's a requirement? Like I and then today I went to a meeting this morning? didn't take any like I had my bag but I didn't get out. notepad and pen Do you think what do you think it signals when you're getting out a notepad and pen and when do you not have to get out your notepad and pen? I think if it's a client meeting where potentially there will be actions, notepad and pen. The other day we're in a meeting and the person used my notepad and pen. they they they had their own notepad and pen, but I think because mine didn't have any lines. They were drawing diagram. They like here, let me
Use your notepad. That was great. It was our mate Rowan. Yeah. And he drew a draw a picture. He did a whole diagram. I tell you what this cut through that line. Maybe I wanted to write something. Yeah.
notepads? I'm just gonna Yeah, take you to that. Let me heat let me show you show us what's wrong with you good enough for your moleskin actually drew a photo, cloud trace and ICE tree and yeah. So what do you think that? That was it? I mean I think it is I mean this is it's controversial that I've got no lines on this Notepad. What's that guy to that? I think that from a client perspective, you have to wonder is this guy serious?
Or real creative? Yeah, I think it's a bit of illustration. Because I find that sometimes like, I'll be writing a list of things I need to do. And I'm just putting it anywhere in the past on the page. Like I'll write it down. Right and then I'll do stuff they're doing be heroes. I think it's a luxury having your lines but then when you want to get a bit freaky.
Instead of just drawing on an angle writing on your angle, like you kind of doing a brain dump, yeah, Mind Maps. Also, I was trying to look up a good app for mind maps. Yeah.
Anyone using Mind Map apps? What do you what is a mind map app? So you just imagine like, it just, it helps you build mind maps. So you have a thought, how do you connect it to another thought? Can't you just do it on paper? Like, what do I mean? It's just like, just being able to do it anywhere. I'm sorry. I think that the the habit is always trying to find something to assist the thing that we're doing, like an app, like paper. Awesome. But you've got it. I guess my thing is I want to make sure that I'm using it I'm using Scrivener. A lot of Scrivener, Scrivener Scrivener serves. I think it's Scrivener. It's the Scrivener, Scrivener Scrivener. It's like a an app for writers. And so I've I've I've
I've got the nonfiction template, I'm starting to build out a memoir potentially
coming 2025 so I'm a sea of notion, you've drafts and you've got Evan,
Evan, transitioning everything from Evernote to the other apps. The notes I've sort of started with what's drafts versus driven? So drafts I mean, Scrivener is specifically for like you start building out chapters and things like that.
of actually writing Yeah, but drafts is why you laugh. Why is
it absurd isn't it's quite a bit The thing is, all of a sudden, we don't know where things are going to head in five years. It could go either way.
one of two things could happen. This could be very successful, which this at the poker podcast know the whole thing. What is that? What's the whole thing? The show that the movement? Okay, great. Yeah, the revolution.
Or it could go really badly. Either way, there's probably an interesting story.
You've got it. Yeah, I mean, do you think people are writing them as they going? I
think it's pretty I think it's easier that way. It takes you created something successful and had to go back and remember Oh, well, you just I mean, it depends it because you can easily just have a Ghost Rider in be interviewed, constantly talk about it. Have it transcribed and have them sort of piece it all together? depends if you want to be the Do you think that's like narcissistic, me doing this? I actually think it's a good exercise to to do. It'd be like morning pages with a bit more of a focus on what happened yesterday. Well, you're saying about saying that but we also
remember I had a pile of index cards and I was writing chapter ideas for a book. Yeah. So every time like we were going to write a book about having a partnership which is
I think is a good idea. Yeah, if we can get
a sort of more more sort of first damn night it's the damage Scrivener Scrivener. Yeah, not a good name. Grace wants to know is Josh still writing the book? Or if I missed the conversation about
well, so Seth is coming to Melbourne in May. I mean, just leading with the answer if you want what we want. I don't know. I'm Do you know here it is. Yeah, it's in the cupboard at home. I'm more focused at the moment. Yes, it is. What about those loose sheets? That's there too. I think
I bro, you had a had some rebuttal, but I can't bring it up. Basically, she was saying.
What was it about something about the book you put it yet? on yesterday's? If you can't, I can't remember. What I can't remember it because the phone is live streaming right now. Okay. So
what I from I think they're from listening to this conversation this cafe. It just outlines
how everyone has a similar version of the same problem.
You know what I mean? Like it's,
you can so think you're unique to your own situation. Yeah, the business, the partner, the law, you know, but it's so easily transferable. Well, how different like, we're all sort of playing a very similar game. If there's only a certain set of problems that you could have,
which Yeah, I mean, yesterday it was the internal your your irritable state that you are battling. I'm still coming off East coming down. I'm still coming down doing a TV sensitive area. I can talk about anything today, but I don't want to talk about my noises because I know it's not productive.
I was just I was just like, it was a carbon copy of the conversations that we've had at some point listening. Look at it and say are we're annoying? No, it makes me look
Go. We're not very unique, maybe Josh and write a memoir. Well, I think when you're in the middle of thinking that this is the biggest issue, we don't know how to solve this problem. You could take a bit of white offers by just getting some perspective of like,
you know, this is something that a lot of people are faced with. I think that's why biographies a good
why if you read a biography you like are these people have the exact same issues, right, like, especially American comedians, reading biographies or autobiographies by comedians. It's like, they start off at the lot like at the bottom. If you think about it, it's like they start off super poor, just trying to work like just doing all the clubs trying to make that work, and then they end up getting somewhere. Yeah, I guess the only the habit about looking at someone else's life. You can be inspired by elements of it. But it's hard because you don't want to
sort of think about that your path or looking at their version of success because learn from it can learn Yeah, definitely. But I think the hard bit is people disseminating between it being something they want to achieve person like internally really want to or dislike is written well you watch a doc Oh, and it's inspiring and fucking like I'd love some of the action. Well, that's I guess the documentary that's like the Taylor Swift and Katy Perry and the Justin Bieber and the Demi Lovato well, that you sort of you stop being like, I want that. You were you said that she has I want to be a singer.
Yeah, and then you get trapped in that sort of, you watch and
then you watch James Bond and I want to be James Bond and
it's all distracting from thinking about what you really truly want. What was the weirdest
pivot that you made in your career in
Something that you thought you would do.
I think, I mean, I was a stripper
you actually did that, but I had a business around it and the business like the the whole
premise of the business not the premise, but just the having a business and creating some kind of service was something I'm interested in. And so it shifted from that, but it is a weird fucking one to be a part of. But did you get Did you know that there was going to be an exit? Or were you like, Oh, this could be gonna have a I'm gonna have a nightclub. We're going to do six shows a day. Well, there was all there was thoughts about the vision and the future and what it could look like what is the vision of a stripper? While it's building an agent's it depends on if you're just the stripper you don't give a shit about the business. You just want to get your clothes off. Yeah, and make some cash and sleep with other women or you know other way around.
Or you are in the business and you want to grow it into a stage show that
travels around. Because I made ash Williams did a bit of that. And he had his own company. Yeah, but that pivoted into like activations and events away from probably told him to put his clothes back. Yeah, sure. So you haven't had it so you haven't had any huge moments of you mentioned about the cop thing, but I guess that's, that's recently. I don't I quite like a career trance transition. Like there's something empowering about it. Like
I think you when you get dark and you start you know, you're you're in a bit of a rush or something, you start really thinking about what it would look like, when you can get your fucking calendars to stop sharing with everyone yesterday, you might have been the DAX by thinking it'd be easier. You know, being a reply actually, that wouldn't have you. The easier being an IT guy. Or a video person within someone else's business. Yeah. But that's that's it, like, and so what is it for you where do you go? Like, have you been thinking like, do you have
Any transformational thoughts, I think the difference for our business, we have a production company, video production company is just a different version of role within that business. Yeah, like so you can grow. It's like, I've been making the videos from start to finish for years. And then you slowly build out a team, we actually doing less of the whole service, but you're just doing a portion of it. If you wanted to contribute to this though, if you want it to be a bank.
Okay, here it is. You're at, you're asking me what I would choose. And I was thinking about this.
There is like, but there is something about like building a business and getting busier and making more money, which requires probably more input a lot of the time to start with at least to build it up. Require it's this busy work. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of shit going on your head, slower, the PT lifestyle. Being in that sort of exercise environment. It means you try
All the time it makes you it's a slower life and you feel you'd get back, you know, not necessarily PT, maybe I don't know. What about you, George, you're you're an editor. By day, what have you thought about pivoting? No, not really. But like you were saying with the Docker thing watching like Justin Bieber and stuff. I had a similar thing. The other day I watched
the net Rhapsody. Let me read it. Yeah. How's that? band?
defy the instrument. I used to play the drums when I was a kid.
But um, yeah.
The reason? The reason I was laughing is because I watched a doc on him.
He had a lot of dictate of odds today when you walk. Now it was actually the annoying thing about
this when you were saying that I watched the documentary I started white went to Hitler. But I couldn't work out what was what was real and what wasn't like what was sort of just
dramatisation type stuff but so you would you wanted to you want to join and pivot. Now. I like this industry I can say, I can't think of what what if you couldn't do it? If you just were banned? Somehow you got some probably a sports probably probably a football. Really, you know, he plays out I used to be I used to play pretty high level for a kid but I'm got it all happened last
day and that was the deciding point of like, Okay, well I don't make it next year. I'm just not I'm not gonna make it. And so you were
that was soccer. Yeah. So he's life ended at 15 and started Yeah, pretty much. It says that was when you pivoted Yeah. editing.
What did you do as a kid? What were you doing when you always in media like doing movies in you seven. From you seven onwards. We were sitting in the lunchroom, in the in the media room at lunch, like editing and stuff. That's good. It's always been
shift for me from personal training into radio. I had to get rid of one business to get into to work for another business that was your IBM stay open like, yeah.
I was trading on that until about two years ago.
Like it was, I think it was Tom jackets, Tom jacket, France, our franchise personal trainer. And the only reason I got that was because the first job I went for was at Fitness first. And I got the position of being a trainer, which is basically like, you can work you just gotta pay his fucking shitloads a rent to use the space to build your clientele off the back.
But I pulled the pin on that just before it was within the cooling off period of the contract. But for some reason they made you. They asked, I know you set up a certain Yeah, they said can you set up with Tom jacket franchised personal trainer, and so I did that and I had it active for many years.
I think I was even running video project. So at some point, it's always like, why didn't you do the coat? Like why did you run away during the cooling off period Who says I ran away?
walked away? It was pretty dramatic. Your pace. He was a moment I sprinted at No, no, I did like the induction. I didn't feel good about it. I was young. I was 1718 no 17 I felt funny about it. And I it was probably just anxious. You know, at that point, you don't know if it's just because it's such a new thing that you're feeling funny. Or that you're actually not feeling you're not vibing it What were you doing? What was at the time before you took took on that? suede fa so you weren't were you doing any pT? No, no. So I
was and I was moving into it. And so it was a huge leap. It was probably getting thrown in the deep end probably too far. And that's why it felt that way. But there was just something off about it. Anyway, how many people in the induction Oh, there was my be
Four or five? Like there was a bunch of trainers already there. And so you then start integrating and you get to learn their systems. That's all it was. But I left that. And I'd still didn't have my licence. That man picked me up. And I said, Ma'am, can you drop me past body world, which was a gym I trained at? I loved. I've been going there since I was 15. You know, with friends, and it was a real bodybuilding gym and I walked in there. I said, Can I speak to the owner? Bruce, lovely guy, so I sweat. And he came out. I said, I had my resume. And I said, Bruce, here's my resume, straight out of the induction. Was there. No, it was pretty sure it was on the way back from the induction. So you still had your resume. You had like you had a copy always. Okay. You just always had it. And so when you're obviously print three, or five out, and you're doing the rounds, so I think I had left. Anyway, and I went in and I spoke to him, and we had a good chat and he said
You can work behind the counter, you can put, you know, be a gym instructor, which isn't a personal trainer, but it's a gym instructor where you're helping run people through programmes when they first sign up to the gym, and you're working behind the counter selling protein shakes and checking people in memberships. And, and so that's where I then
can the fitness first thing, and it was the best move. But I enjoyed. I didn't know, I think I just said, stop coming. I would have had to formally sign something and state that it was within cooling off. Like I think I had my dad read over the contract. But it was huge. Like, that's the only reason I trained john Safra. And that's, I've got a bunch of mates that I had from that gym, I started getting my first clients given to me they're, like, I it's the perfect way because you got no idea. And so you start training with all these people and start learning. And so it was do your eight week course but actually learn on the ground on the tools and then start training people and so that's the only start finding these small decisions that you make that that shift the
trajectory of your future and that was one of them of just going in and asking me if I didn't go in and ask if I was just feeling like I felt nervous.
Yeah, but I mean I wonder what it was about the the other version where you're being a PT Do you think you're getting too much responsibility too quickly, it was like 300 bucks a week rent, I wasn't paying fucking rent to leave. And so it was, you know, they the the fitness first model is even more expensive now. You can only try and people that are members, you have to pay them regardless. It's like 400 bucks a week rent. But you can make a shitload of money This train is making three grand a week and they paint or you know, it's a small fee at that point, but it's very much probably suited to people who have established and know how to generate leads or walk up and talk to people like you know, and so anyway, it's that was a shift
How long were you at the body world? I worked there from 17 till 2324 on and off Really? Yeah, my whole PT career. I didn't have my studio but I still went back and trained a few people there. Because people didn't want to come over to help them Park was just convenient. JOHN Safran didn't come to my studio, I just come back and train a few. And I train them myself. And I had all my mates there. And so, yeah, that was that that was that I mean, service transition, or do you do after the 10 years?
I would say something, something similar to peytie like sports science, wellness, health, cooking, I wouldn't be a complete chef but it'd be all that integrated stuff. There is the so the attaching some kind of big huge business to something is where the business starts. There is a great life to be had working
As a PT that's clear in two grand awake and happy and just like doing the sessions helping people like I was always so busy in my head thinking about what the bigger picture is for myself. And that's that that can be the trap because do you even want the busier bigger shark and that's been the friction in my career a life it's like you want to. I love idleness in some ways, like I love weekends doing nothing. I love like the idea of living on the not in Tasmania, Miss Stanley, and just gone for walks. Like That sounds great. Yeah, or even just like I was saying this to Jason Fox yesterday. It's like, there's something about the idea of like, being at the bottom of a mountain in a cottage and just doing stuff, just a bit, not too much stuff. You're going to be okay with. I think it's, you know, the, the interesting one is it's the thought now
When you're in the more chance of building the bigger business and all that noise in this, I think that that's like part of it is it's like it's hard to do. I think it's hard to do both. You have to pick one or you have to have like a moment you have to have the crazy business to get to the idleness I think. So for us, it's like going the other way of like, no, like, more responsibilities, more people, more things, bigger space, which is obviously a scarier thing, because you have more to lose. But it also has way more rewards. Yeah, I think I've reconciled the thought of not having that slow life and having a busy a bigger thing. With the things like meditation like that help you throw out that exercise, you know, eating right, like it's all these all these things, help you be more optimal, yeah, in a mental state and in a physical state. I think also, it's
Like if you work hard, the idleness feels better. idleness gets boring if that's all you're doing, you don't want to be in idleness thinking about how you should have fucking even in the crack and how you don't know. Because if you don't try, you failed. But then you also need to, I guess, be okay with the fact that
like a destination, there is a destination like so for instance, I think that part of my thinking that I want to shift is that you somehow arrive. And then once you've arrived, you can then do the idol like you can sort of chill a little bit more, but there is never an arrival of anything.
It's a bit annoying. And yeah, and the so many mixed messages, in approaches, self help books, like we're looking at revenue targets and then assigned, that's one book that sort of has you sort of prompting to set goals like that and another one that's written by some successful people that
So that was the worst decision for our businesses. That fact which one is it? And so then you confused and going, you know, do I? Is it you know, do I need to do more or do less or stop focusing on a few things that I was doing? And then just do that, like, I think the opposite, it's being able to like, going to the different versions of the different truths, like if you the idea of saying, you know, don't worry about, like, worry about building something that gives value. And just on that, without considering revenue, I'm just drawing on my notepad right now.
Your basic like, I think that that is that is the blind spot. I think that people that are spend too much time saying it's either one or the other, which 1am I going to pick, whereas I think that it's about oscillating between the two. But
within that, also, I like, isolation. I think what can sometimes happen is
You end up giving up on one strategy before going on to the, to the next one. So it's like, you don't have enough years or months or whatever it is, in that the cadence of revenue before you like I know, we just need to be adding more value giving more doing all of that sort of there. It's noisy.
Because you hear people say value for or like,
telling you where to put your focus. But if your personal situation is you haven't even been able to build a business model this sustainable, it's the information might not be specific for you. And so it's all individual and that's even like thinking about but if you're in the busy state and ordinances you got is the goal and you've realised on the front, getting to the business that it's like, I fucking hate every minute of this and a different I need to change. And then that's the challenge to get out of the business to even shift it to the thing you think you want. Even though it may in your head, you've decided that the better option
Well even think when I went away for like four months, like I was itching to get back to work, but by the end of it, and so I think there's something nice if you could build in, like a, Okay, I'm gonna do two, every two years, I'm going to do three months away. Yeah. And being able to build that I think there's something cool in that. That'd be great. I mean, this becomes lifestyle design, which was a sort of buzzword for a while, but it's just, it's short for what what life do you actually want? And had, how does that look and how can you everything you do is kind of specific to creating that we'll look at four hour workweek and what that was like I think that that created a fair bit of confusion for people because people thought they could drop ship. Now just think that work remotely have some product that's selling, making money while you sleep it like it's all buzz word. He sounds good is good, but if you're not into that shit, it's hard to deal with
How to have a business like that. Yeah, but I get I mean, I think he wrote, I think it's just a catchy title, which she it's really stuck for him. But I guess it it resonates with a certain group of people did with maybe 10 years ago, and I was reading it. I said, it's also very little cheesy, I reckon for if you're 18, at the start of your career,
if you're trying to work out at 18, how do I not, I guess what we there needs to be a distinction between work, employment, like work slash employment, and adding value to the world. And so if you're not, if you're only working four hours a week, you got to do something else for the rest. And so I think that maybe what was missing in that book was identifying what you're actually going to do. Yeah, you're not going to like, do you want to just lie on a beach? Yeah. It's so like, visually makes so much sense.
On the beach is like four hour workweek. But also like Seth is like, from what we've seen and what I've heard. He's like, a super hard working dude. He's always shipping always doing stuff. I'd prefer to do that with just a little bit of
holiday stuff. Just some feedback for you made on that Notepad. You drew absolutely nothing drew your eyes down to it like you're looking down to an arrow. two squares, two squares. No said it's more nonsensical, but it's more of a it's a power move because you looked. Yeah, no, but I was looking at absolutely nothing. And I'm annoyed George Ellis. Do we have any more details about your mom's bookshop? We're at what the actual
site you can sign. What's the bookshop called again, the bookshop is called the book room. The book room. It was her idea actually, she's like, when we get the when we start doing the book club stuff will have a
code that you
Put in like a gronk. Oh, that's good. I mean, it wasn't.
Your mom's written a review. Yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty nice referenced it only.
So if you're in Byron Bay, go to the book room. Go see cats, the cats. She only works in Linux. So you might not see her in barn but I really
fun. You might be in there. But just a step that john will be in yfc. JOHN, yeah. Just say, I listened to the daily talk show. Yeah. And then like, buy a book and then I'll be like, Wow, those guys really have some
joy. Maybe though.
If I can't get a publisher for this memoir, maybe I could sell direct where you can do a book launch there. I'd love that. You asked the author. Yeah. What an awesome place to go and do a book launch. Yeah, look at him. You've just given him tingles. And the guy hasn't written them. Like you shouldn't say the good
You haven't written any book I've written.
I'll just give you like 10 seconds on two concepts that I've got. One of them is thought leadership. Think about a thought leadership eight. That don't count. Do you think he thought leadership is silly?
Yes. Because the thing is that I can't talk. I can't talk if somebody else is happening. One. So you had my 10 seconds? Is the thought, is that per book or what? Anyway, just thought leadership is silly. Yeah. So I had I'm building out all of these like thought starters. And then I'm going to like explore them. And so the the thought around thought leadership being silly is that leadership is about action. Leadership is actually like being in the race and doing something. And it's a bit of an oxymoron to say thought leadership because you're not actually being a leader until you've done it. And so that's, that was one sort of riff that I've just I've put as a as a potential chapter. You should just
write a blog awake and then you've got a book by the end of the year basically the other one was afraid to dream.
I think that I don't want it to be two blog posts dude, man, the chapters there, the start of chapters are afraid is right drain. It's like, I think that
for most people, there's all that we've got these limiting beliefs around what we can do. And so it's about how do you how do you create freedom to actually dream of what you want to do? Obviously, it's only going to be relevant one way around extremely.
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