Jack Steele & Matt Ford, The Inspired Unemployed

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 584.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? We got the boys from The Inspired Unemployed in the building.

Josh: Cheers, Max and Jack.

Matt: Thanks for having us, mate.

Tommy: Boys, welcome to The Daily Talk Show studio.

Jack: Hey, it feels good.

Matt: Have you been—

Jack: pleasure.

Josh: Have you been to Melbourne before?

Jack: See, this is funny, like, we never have. We never have.

Matt: That's funny, isn't it?

Jack: So everyone like, that's super funny because we're 24, lived in Australia our whole lives, and both of us have never been to Melbourne.

Tommy: It's like the only two people we know haven't been to Melbourne.

Matt: Melbourne.

Tommy: In fairness, what's the closest airport to you boys? Sydney, which is a couple hours away.

Matt: Yeah, there's no excuse.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a massive mission for a sesh in Melbourne. Yeah, for a weekend.

Matt: You know, you feel like we've been travelling around for 5 years around the world, you feel like you just need to get away from Australia so we just don't ever need to go to Melbourne.

Jack: But everyone in Australia has been in Melbourne except for us, but now we can say we are, so it's all good.

Tommy: I've spent a bit of time with you boys in my bed My wife loves to sit in bed watching your content on Instagram. That's where I first came into contact with it. I really did set it up, didn't I? But it's been a happy ending. It's, uh, no, but I saw you, uh, a mutual friend, someone you, you've spent some time with in Melbourne, PK, PK posted a video with you guys.

Matt: Paul Kelly.

Tommy: I just jumped in, mate, I gotta get these guys on the show, and next minute you're here.

Jack: So appreciate it.

Tommy: Yeah, PK.

Jack: Great.

Josh: Friends, uh, if you, if you look back, you only started posting on Instagram Feb last year.

Matt: Almost our anniversary, isn't it? One year.

Tommy: That isn't some kind of, uh, archive the last 7 years that we're seeing, or you literally started posting literally, yeah, a year ago.

Matt: Yeah, like 11 months. Yeah, you're going for crazy.

Tommy: I think when someone probably looks at your content, because I, I hadn't, I hadn't looked at the date on the first post they might just think you're, you know, you guys are tradies.

Matt: Yeah.

Tommy: That have just found your fucking calling in video content. And so I haven't dug too deep into that storey because I like that storey in my head.

Josh: Well, that's our storey too. Just a couple of tradies. Yeah.

Matt: Well, I tell you what's your background?

Josh: Video production. Do you think my hands are soft, by the way?

Matt: Very nice.

Tommy: They're softest hands.

Matt: They are. They're office hands.

Josh: For sure.

Tommy: And so were you guys actually tradies before you got into video content? The most hardest way to start.

Jack: He's got plastic hands.

Josh: Yeah, there's some serious— like, that's not good for my softness.

Matt: Yeah, like, I'm at sandpaper, they call me. That's a loofah feet. Now we have— no, I've been a tradie for about 9 years, which is crazy.

Jack: I've been one for about 3 years.

Josh: Yeah, what trades? Is that a dumb question? Is that what you're saying?

Matt: No, that's right. Yeah, no, it's not.

Jack: I was doing carpentry and plastering.

Matt: Yeah, but well, I was only home for a few months a year for the last 6 years or so, so not a whole lot, but still done the apprenticeship. And yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And so what were you doing? You traveling?

Matt: Yeah, like snow— I was snowboarding for about 5 years, like seriously trying to just chase seasons around, but then come home for a few months a year to get some money and then do a bit over Canada and stuff.

Tommy: So yes, you do it all again. Yeah, that's fun. Um, and so you— are you guys still tradies? Are you working, or you've— have you fully transitioned into Instagram Live.

Jack: Oh yeah, it's good. Um, oh, we're not really working for the next couple months, I don't think.

Matt: Pretty much it's the transition now. Yeah, about 6 weeks ago we quit.

Jack: Hopefully don't have to go back, but we'll see how it goes.

Tommy: You went out, went out, blew the building before you walked out.

Matt: Yeah, oh, just later.

Jack: Fucking—

Matt: my dad's my boss, so you made it. Probably listening to this in an hour and just going, my fucking dickhead son left me.

Jack: Will you be begging him for a job back in a couple months when this all goes to shit?

Josh: Do you get pushback from guys on the work site when they see you pulling out the phone?

Jack: Oh, we don't really try not to. We don't really do it at work.

Matt: Usually we don't pull out at work videos and shit.

Jack: Yeah, but like, yeah, I mean, it's pretty funny. Like, we do like a video and like just everyone watching it the next day, you're just cringing on fuck. Everyone on the job site's like watching it.

Matt: Yeah, you try post the most cringe videos on a Friday so then you don't Not at work, just going, oh my God, who's seen it? Who saw it? Fuck it up, kill me.

Josh: Did you guys do like drama or theatre or anything like that in school?

Matt: No. Get asked that a lot actually. No, never, never, not a thing. I was petrified, like, yeah, to go, oh.

Jack: Like, we, like, 3 years ago we lived in— it was 3 or 4 years we lived in, um, we moved over to New Zealand and lived in Queensland for like 6 months, and that's where we started doing the videos. This is ages ago, on a different page. We did, it was like Pine Tree TV. A group of us did it and, um, it kind of blew up back home, like a little bit, like nothing like this.

Matt: Like, yeah, yeah, 40, 50 comments and people loving it back home.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, proper.

Josh: And then so back home being—

Matt: koama, like, Southern Ghost.

Jack: Yeah, we're going to New Zealand doing it and back home, like, yeah, around home. Yeah, koama and stuff.

Tommy: So your family are loving your videos?

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom, dad, auntie, uncle.

Jack: Yeah, my mom's one of 12 and my dad's one of 9, so it's pretty much only our family.

Matt: It's the biggest fan ever. She, she calls him up like like after something good happens and just goes, ah, I'm crying.

Jack: Yeah, today we've been on the Today Show today and, um, she messaged me, she's like, I'm crying.

Matt: I've literally heard it, like it's not on speaker and I can hear it go, ah, so funny.

Tommy: Fuck, I so appreciate that more than the person that's been pushing to be on telly and be the presenter for many years, which was me early days. I used to want, you know, like, and, and it never really happens to those people, it's the people that don't see it as the thing that they probably were destined to do from 15 years ago. And then you find your rhythm, you see that it's actually gaining traction. I mean, people say you can't build an Instagram following these days, you know, because it's, it's too hard.

Matt: Yeah, they suck at content.

Tommy: Well, you guys are the content-first approach.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: You know, like, not the influencer style. When did the, uh, when did the Instagram pop?

Jack: Um, Oh, like only a couple months ago really.

Matt: We're doing it for a long time, slow grind. Yeah, so it's like 7 months.

Jack: September is kind of when it started to like, like snowball, like roll.

Matt: Yeah, it took us 7 months to get to 10K. Felt like bloody 7 years. Yeah, but, um, yeah, then after that a couple of videos just spiralled and went out of control and got like 25,000 followers in like 24 hours on one of them. It was nuts.

Josh: How does the concepts come about? Do you like talk through that?

Jack: Oh, like, just, it is just sometimes I just pop into your head.

Matt: I've been doing it that long now, it just is good.

Josh: Do you write them in your notes and then hold on to them?

Matt: Yeah, yeah, relatable content's the best.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, even something you do, like, like, like, you know, I don't know if you've seen the rolling can one.

Josh: Yeah.

Jack: Oh yeah, it actually happened. I was like putting the, like, rubbish out and then the can, like, dropped and rolled, and then I was just seriously chasing it down the driveway, and I was like, oh, that's an idea.

Tommy: And so you then put it on a string and you follow the chase through the neighborhood.

Matt: The worst production of a video.

Tommy: Yeah, but that adds to it, right? You don't need it to be high production. Yeah, the thing that happens with plastic bags too, they get caught in the wind and you just—

Jack: How is that?

Tommy: Because you can't be a gronk and just let it go.

Jack: You just look the other way.

Tommy: You gotta chase that bastard.

Jack: Yeah, that's a good chase. That's cross-country chasing one of them.

Matt: Oh, it's always, it's always the time when it's like hot girl across the street watching you and you're just chasing this fucking bit of rubbish, just going, please stop, please stop. It just keeps going.

Jack: You get like one like centimetre away from it, trip over.

Tommy: So you're looking for relatable things. I saw like where you, you had ScoMo— you didn't have him on, you had— he was on the show, someone pretending to be ScoMo, and the joke being about the handshake and him chasing you guys down for the handshake, which is— Josh and I had handshake banter about ScoMo, which is you're just finding those moments.

Matt: Yeah, pretty much just relate to relatable stupid, like, and then just write them down, get together, and then talk about it like, this is going to be shit, or this is going to be good, how can we make it good, I guess. Yeah, and just go from there. Yeah, I don't know, it kind of comes natural.

Josh: Most comedians have either like an airport or plane joke around related, like, because obviously it's a very relatable thing. It feels like when you're on a plane or you're in transit, ideas come. Do you find it coming to Melbourne, being on the, on the flight, at the airport, were you, were your notes— yeah, did we We're too—

Matt: to be honest, we're too in shock of we're getting flown from work and we're hungover. So hungover. Yeah, I slept the night before, to be honest. But yeah, yeah, something—

Jack: but that does happen. It does always, definitely, when you're in the right mindset.

Matt: Not—

Jack: yeah, yeah, but yeah, like that, like, I— a couple weeks ago I was in the car with someone.

Matt: Still gotta do this video.

Jack: I probably shouldn't even say this, but anyway, sitting in the car and you know when you're like someone sitting next to you trying to put the seat belt in and they're kind of like touching your ass? And you kind of don't, you know, but you kind of don't, and it just gets real awkward.

Matt: Yeah.

Jack: And I was like, oh, that's an idea, I gotta do that.

Tommy: And so you build out sort of a book of these ideas where you could— are you actually then scheduling time in the week now to go Monday and Friday we film, or is it just sporadic?

Matt: No, try to, for sure.

Jack: It's just— now we do.

Matt: It doesn't sound like this— you guys would probably know, but it doesn't sound like there's much to it, but it's like we're struggling to— I swear we're working till like 10 o'clock at night, not all hours of the day. But yeah, it's a lot more work goes into it than what people think, I assume.

Tommy: Is that from the very beginning you were putting that much effort into videos?

Jack: So yeah, we started and we did a couple and like started the page and like, let's actually try and give this a crack and make something of it. And then listen to like, like Gary Vee, Tony Robbins, Gary Vee, much like what you guys are trying to do, like a podcast today. Well, like, let's try and put out a video day for like so long because that's what Gary Vee's like, content. Yeah, yeah. So then we just, yeah, tried to pump out as many videos while we were over in France in this shit Airbnb. We're just like, let's just punch out as many videos as we can. And we're just enjoying it, having fun, because yeah, it was exciting and new. And then yeah, I guess we're just trying to pump out as much as we could.

Matt: And then just consistent with good content, that's what we're trying to do. And we had time on our hands, so we're like, we love it, let's go, let's try and just do it. And we honestly went for a holiday, holiday to Europe, and I swear we're like working. We're writing like scripts and then filming, trying to put up like 4 videos a week. It's taking up so much time. Still had a good time.

Tommy: But was it the travelling bit, like being somewhere else and sort of— it opens your mind up a bit when you're overseas, right?

Jack: It's so easy to shame yourself because like you're not at home. Go home and like see people in the street after you've like done, I don't know, dressed up as a girl or anything like that.

Matt: And we're like, if we got it— because that first stage is the hardest where you're trying to get to where people are actually like, okay, this is all right. Yeah, that— but like, we were shaming it. I remember some of the ones we've done were— oh God, cringing.

Josh: So do you have a sense of, uh, that it could become a business? Or at what point were you like, oh, we can actually monetize?

Matt: I think— ah, it's so hard because the whole time we we had a vision for it. We'd always have like little goals to get here and there. Definitely wouldn't— we would never be like, by Christmas we would have 100K followers and be doing what we're doing. Yeah, exactly. But at all, no way.

Josh: So what are the goals?

Jack: When it came— oh, sorry.

Josh: Yeah, where did the goals— like, what did they look like?

Jack: Well, just like the end goal, kind of, we wanted to try and make a living, do this. Yeah. And so hopefully like it opened doors to try to make it a career some— in some way or another. Like, didn't really know what the exact end goal was. But we knew if we did well, you'd open up doors, whatever it'd be.

Matt: Yeah, it was like a resume. Yeah, we're looking at it as like a resume for any entertainment kind of—

Jack: yeah, I guess even like if we could filming jobs or— we didn't really know exactly what, but we knew we wanted to kind of be in this kind of— yeah, industry, I guess.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Jack: When we started, it started to blow up a little bit, like got over to like 15 or 20,000 followers, whatever, started getting emails from management saying we want to manage you guys, love you, whatever.

Matt: Yeah.

Josh: Tipping point? Was there a clear tipping point where—

Matt: Yeah, there was for sure.

Josh: What was it? Was it a specific piece of content?

Matt: It would have been that— Oh, it was actually— No, it was a few.

Jack: It was like 3. It was like that Britney Spears one, then—

Matt: Yeah, that was a—

Jack: Yeah, the Hall and Oates like dancing down the street, and then that dancer mum were like pretending we're in Berlin. I don't know.

Matt: Yeah, it's like 'Be My Lover.' Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rolling like black sus costumes. Yeah, that was a tipping point for sure.

Jack: Yeah, that— Those 3 kind of like made the whole ball start rolling. And then yeah, probably that third one where we're dancing around in like Berlin kind of gear, that's when we started getting a lot of like brands like wanted to work with us.

Matt: And that's because that's when we went from like, I think we got, went from 10, 9K to like 25 overnight. And we're just like, what is going on?

Tommy: And what are the, what's the emails? What are they saying to you?

Matt: Oh yes, lots of brands that wanted collab up and do.

Jack: So like you'd make, obviously make a video.

Matt: Yeah, for festivals.

Jack: Yeah, for them, like you did on your page. But we knock a lot of them back just because we don't want to be— yeah, we don't really want to like flood our page with that kind of stuff.

Matt: Yeah, in a year's time no one will like us, we just sold out. Fucking losers.

Jack: But I think, yeah, we're just trying to do the stuff that fits us.

Matt: Yeah, well, for sure.

Josh: What did you watch growing up?

Matt: Oh, Hamish and Andy have been influencers for sure. Yeah, for us. Um, seeing that they've been on the show.

Tommy: Yeah, how was that? Yeah, great.

Matt: Yeah, awesome. There's funny, funny guys.

Tommy: They're inspiring, but they are in— they're employed.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're employed.

Jack: Yeah, shit, we have to change our name when hopefully we get employed one day. No, I don't know, seriously, I don't— we don't really get inspiration.

Matt: No.

Jack: They haven't asked, like, do you watch other skit like pages and stuff? And I don't at all. I don't really watch.

Matt: I don't know, just— no, seriously, no, not, not really at all. I guess that's kind of why our style's like it is, maybe.

Tommy: How old are you boys?

Matt: Um, I'm 18 and Matt's 17.

Tommy: Yeah, we're gonna get this child to sign it.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, where's your mom? Yeah, yeah, no, I'm 25, 24.

Tommy: Okay, and so you guys grew up on the, with, you know, with Facebook and that generation on the face, on the face, on MySpace. We're on MySpace for a couple years.

Jack: Yeah, well, I was on MySpace.

Matt: Yeah, for sure. You, Seven?

Jack: Yeah, prime years.

Tommy: Well, that was before the Facebook dropped. Yeah, I know the Facebook before actually was the Facebook, wasn't it?

Matt: Early, early days.

Tommy: Early days, 2008, I think I got on Facebook.

Josh: Yeah, so that was—

Tommy: that's fairly late, is it? It was 4 years old.

Josh: I think it was, I think it was early '08. A lot of people in Australia were getting on. Yeah, '07 was super early.

Matt: I was, I was '08 as well.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I mean, that kind of guides us in terms of the content we're watching. I mean, growing up with telly, were you— did you watch much TV?

Matt: I loved, um, Thank God You're Here. It was such a good show.

Tommy: Timeless show.

Matt: Still funny. Oh my God. And what else?

Josh: No, I never really watched too much TV.

Matt: We don't even have a TV.

Jack: Even movies I'm pretty bad with.

Matt: Yeah, I don't watch movies.

Tommy: Josh and I talk about like the naivety when you first start making videos that is, is so productive. Like when you don't really understand all the elements of making video, so there's less boundaries in place, you know. So you go into an idea and give it a fucking red-hot crack. Is there stuff that you guys started after making a bunch of like, oh, you probably should, you know, like it's a the barriers come up? Yeah, nah, it's too much, can't be bothered. Or, you know, getting out, putting yourself out there more so, like even your own performance, or getting embarrassed, or like, I know how this is going to go down.

Matt: Yeah, no, we've kind of— we can't really think like that, can we? Like, be— I don't even know what to—

Tommy: because you're dancing up on it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt: But we feel like the, the more shameful, the better content, which True.

Tommy: Sucks.

Matt: It sucks doing it because we hate doing it.

Jack: Like, no, I mean, sometimes it's fun, but like, now it's getting hard and hard because like, we did this one, that Byron Bay dancing, like, oh my God, I've never cringed so hard in my life. And we didn't like—

Matt: depends where you go. If you go to the Opera House and there'll be just a bunch of tourists, like, and you do not care one bit, there's people everywhere. But if you go somewhere people kind of know who you are, it's just— and it's busy, you're just like, oh my God, I feel sick. But it makes the best content. So you just gotta man up and do it.

Jack: Yeah.

Tommy: So you knowing what— yeah, when you know that that feeling's happening, this— it could just—

Matt: yeah, it could be good or very bad.

Josh: What about careers and look and how you see careers? Obviously this has been a massive pivot for you guys. What's the learning been so far?

Matt: The learning? Hmm, good question. It's—

Jack: yeah, it's hard because everyone asks what we want to do Yeah, like, what's this gonna lead to? We still kind of don't really know. We know we want to, like, I don't know, it's too broad.

Matt: Like, every day you get— you're like, yeah, this is a good guide of where we want to head. And then you get an email that just changes everything, and you're like, okay, let's try this.

Jack: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, like, yes, I don't even know. Like, we got— we did the Aries interviewing for the first time. I don't know if you guys— well, I guess this is interviewing, but have you done like Yeah, not that—

Josh: like, TJ's done a bit of red carpet stuff.

Tommy: I was trying to be present on the red carpet at the Logie Awards.

Matt: Yeah, you know the pain.

Jack: It's, it's hard, eh? It's difficult.

Matt: Well, it's just unnatural.

Tommy: It's a weird situation. I kind of had the presenter sort of posture.

Josh: Yeah, where I like—

Tommy: I think you guys are like— if I was to watch myself or any of you guys, I'd prefer to watch you.

Josh: Yeah, you guys are playing.

Tommy: You guys over a presenter.

Matt: Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Because it's so much like, I think what your awkwardness about it is why it's amazing. Like, and so the people that— Young Mr. 97, he's great talent, does not want to be that talent whatsoever, but he makes the best parts of our show. Like, he makes— there's so many great moments of our show that he's putting himself out there, but he really doesn't want to do it.

Matt: Yeah.

Tommy: And so that's that. I think the early day of the naivety, because you don't want to be like, I fucking got this.

Matt: Yeah. Oh, honestly, that's our biggest fear is looking cocky and like Dickheads though.

Josh: Well, you took the Rolex watch before you came on the show.

Matt: Yeah, take that off.

Josh: Take the gold chains off.

Tommy: Out of your suits.

Josh: What do people that you went to school with say about the stuff that you make?

Matt: They're surprisingly very, very supportive.

Jack: So supportive and nice to us. Like, it's so cool. It's very nice to see. Like, everyone we see is just like, we love it. And like, we get so many nice messages. It's pretty cool. Like, because people could bag us out for sure, be like, these guys are not your own. Dickheads. I don't know, it's been like— yeah, I remember you put yourself out there and it's like people could just, yeah, rip you, like, write you off. But everyone's so nice to us.

Matt: I guess because everyone says like, you're just doing you, which makes it so much easier for everyone to just, yeah, take in and be like, we're not trying to be anything. We're not like— it's not like we're trying to be someone else.

Tommy: So people at school are like, that's what you boys are like.

Matt: Yeah, I guess. Who knows what they actually think. Yeah, that's what they say.

Jack: I've had a few people said that, like, yeah. You're just being yourself. So that's why it's nice and cool. So that's pretty cool.

Josh: And so you were in Melbourne for an MCing gig, which the event got cancelled because of the weather.

Matt: Welcome to Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt: It's like bipolar weather.

Tommy: It's summer.

Jack: It's sunny 5 minutes before it's like brrr.

Josh: Full Melbourne experience. The MCing stuff, Tommy and I have done a little bit of it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Like, I stress out beforehand. How were you guys?

Jack: It was—

Matt: it's not too— like, it just depends on the situation.

Jack: I mean, well, definitely kind of like, oh fuck, here we go.

Matt: Yeah, like, you kind of put—

Josh: you'll be fine.

Jack: Like, we know we could do it.

Matt: You put your game face on though.

Jack: It'd be fun, but like, it's kind of like, oh fuck, here we go. Like, yeah, I don't know, I could get either way.

Matt: Yeah, you just prepare yourself and just—

Josh: how do you prepare? What's— what sort of stuff?

Matt: Oh my god, do you have a script?

Josh: Did you know what you had to say?

Matt: Like, who you had to do?

Jack: Or just go off the cuff?

Matt: Yeah, I remember the areas where you We're like, it came down to like a week before and we're like, all right, we're prepping hard, right? Let's write scripts, like just get it dialed. And you got to be an hour before we had to do it, we still hadn't even talked about it. Like, we knew we're gonna do it, we're shitting it.

Jack: Yeah, every night would be like, all right, we gotta do like research tonight, and then wouldn't happen. All right, tonight we'll do it, just wouldn't happen. And then the morning of, oh man, we woke up like 6 to try and like—

Matt: it was actually a podcast room, yeah, practising in. We're just like, it wasn't on or anything, we're just like this and that and that. Then we're like, ah, well, fuck it, we'll be fine.

Jack: We had no questions like prepared or anything and we're like walking into it. And then it kind of got real when we got on the red carpet. I'm like, holy shit, like we actually have to interview these people. Oh man, I was shitting myself.

Matt: Like, and you can't show that you're shitting yourself either because people are like— because it was an hour. Like, we got told we had to do it and then what, we're there on the red carpet and then there was an hour of us just standing there waiting. It was so—

Tommy: it's a good hour to do. Oh man.

Matt: No, not at all. Freak out. Yeah, we weren't even talking.

Jack: Almost interviews were a bit like, how you going?

Matt: How you going?

Jack: Yeah, it didn't really go that wood—

Matt: like, wood didn't go very wood.

Jack: Didn't go very well. I didn't go not that bad, but it was just a bit awkward. And like, the people just like, they weren't that keen to talk.

Matt: First interview, it's actually two radio hosts, Sally and Erica.

Jack: So, and then we kind of like would joke and pretend we didn't know like the artists, but we knew who they were. But so when's the new album coming out? And they're kind of like 'Do you guys know where—' So it got a bit awkward, and then we like kind of wrapped it up pretty quick. And the chick we were with that was like hosting it, hosting us, was like, 'Who was that for?' Who was it for?

Matt: Um, Cool Accidents, the warning music.

Jack: And she was kind of like, 'Oh, maybe try and talk a little bit longer.' And I was like, 'Oh fuck.' Like, yeah, I feel like it lasted like an hour. Oh no.

Josh: And then cringe.

Matt: So great.

Tommy: Who was the most famous person that you got on the carpet?

Jack: I don't know, that Morgan Freeman or Morgan Evans. Morgan Freeman, who's that?

Matt: Who is that? John Ormazábal. Yeah, that's right.

Josh: Oh, it was in, um, Green Mile.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, Morgan Freeman, the guy had like Bucket List and stuff.

Josh: Yeah, he's got the deep voice.

Matt: He's like, he's God. Yeah, yeah, God.

Jack: Um, and so Morgan Evans, Morgan Evans, we're like, I don't know, he was in Ocean Island and stuff. Ocean Island.

Tommy: You know them. No, I mean across the music stuff. So did you find— did you then find your groove? Yeah, from not having—

Jack: we did, we did.

Josh: Did you have like a go-to question that you knew would do really well?

Matt: Oh yeah, I was— oh, there's a few, but like, ah, shit, give us one. Yeah, come on, what do we say? Oh God. Oh, one went about like, what after-party you going to? Are we coming? Do you have a boyfriend? That's a good one. That always went Yeah, that went well besides a couple times. Every time. Yeah, like what happens with Morgan Evans? That was so cringe.

Jack: Wow, you stuffed up bad. What'd you say? You're like, are you Australian or American?

Matt: He was American. I knew he was Australian, but he's been in America like for ages and he's killing over there. But he thought I didn't have a clue, so I was like, are you Australian or American? He was like, he's like, he was so offended. He was like looked at me like rattled.

Jack: And then I was looking at you going, you idiot, what did you ask?

Matt: Oh my God, it just got so awkward. But we recovered. Yeah, you watched the—

Josh: how did you recover?

Matt: Oh, I can't even finish the interview. Yeah, we recovered by walking off and going forward. See ya. Um, but you watch a recap video, it looks hilarious because you don't only see the good things. Yeah, and it did go well, but it did. Like, who are you talking to?

Jack: Like, if you're talking to people that are keen to talk and Yeah, it went fine.

Tommy: Well, do you know Brad Blanks? No. He was on Hey Machine Andy, like a red carpet reporter. He's from the States, lives over in New York. We've had him on the— but he's a 7-foot-looking giant who, you know, sort of stumbles around, but it's a part of his shtick. So he's really great. Like, I think he's amazing at what he does and he's, and he's built that kind of approach. I don't know if he— I think he does probably now. He does. Do his prep. Yeah, yeah. But he also doesn't drop his natural approach to it. That's good, what you guys are talking about.

Jack: Yeah, that was good. And then we did the GQ Man of the Year Award the night after. So we're like, we've never done this kind of stuff, interviewed anyone. And then two nights in a row we had these like massive events. Yeah. And I think the GQ one, that was proper famous. And that was a lot of fun because I feel like we had— we did it, we got it out of the way. Like, we did the first one, put that other way, I'm like, all right.

Matt: I was so sick for that. Oh, what was wrong?

Josh: What sort of—

Matt: I was, I was like, so before the GQ, so after the Irish, we didn't eat for like 12 hours, I think. We didn't have a meal, and then I got this like snack, crazy stomach bug. Like, I got probably gastro or something. It's very common. I had gastro. Oh, I was spraying that bowl.

Jack: I'm not joking, I've never smelled things coming out that bad before.

Josh: Almost like sort of, uh, like there's a certain smell.

Jack: Yeah, it smells like—

Matt: it smells sick. It was a fire hydrant.

Tommy: There's a dead person.

Jack: The insides going into you and making you sick. And I did get sick, I got really sick after that.

Matt: And then so what happened that night? We were walking around the street trying to— he was freaking out because he's like, this is one of the biggest nights of our career so far. You knew you've got to spit. Yeah, but it wasn't— he was like, I was like shaking in bed, like so sick.

Josh: Oh man, like, you're gonna stress from how the Aries went.

Matt: I don't know. Yeah, post-traumatic stress. Oh, and then we Then what happened?

Jack: Like walking down the road, he was really sick and was like, we're gonna have to get dressed and go up in like 20 minutes. Um, and he's like, no, we need to go to like the chemist. So we went to the chemist and like got him some like pills and stuff.

Matt: Gastro stuff.

Jack: Yeah, gastro stuff, like Hydralites, a bunch of things.

Matt: Yeah, he was just feeding me tablets. I hate—

Jack: I was like, I have two of them, like I have two.

Josh: Like, yeah. Were you wearing the same suits or the same outfit?

Jack: We had some funny outfits. And you had a really funny outfit on.

Matt: Oh my God, mine was horrible. It was like this the big pink suit, fur coat, Gucci, like, like kind of outrageous with these cream-colored flares. It was disgusting. And then, and then you had to put on the brave face. And then we got in the elevator and got out of there, and I was like sitting down in the elevator going down to it, and we were like, this is on, like, this, we're on for a big night here. And I was, I was just going, all right, I'm gonna do the dance, or like interview and go straight to bed. I'm so sorry, Falcon. And then, um, the adrenaline just kicked in and I was fine the whole night.

Jack: Yeah, that was really fun. Yeah, because like I said, we got the first interviewing done the night before and then we'll just be more comfortable. Yeah. And then there was a bit more relaxed feel, like, well, like, yeah, because you're over the fence. Yeah. Harry's one and that one was just like you're with them and I don't know, that was so much fun. That was the best night.

Matt: And we, so we, yeah, we're doing interviews. We had like a publicist with us, but it was like like not serious. They had the actual interviewers and we were just like shit kickers like walking around. But we somehow got like some massive names. And then, do you know Zendaya? Yeah, yeah. So we didn't have a clue who it was. There was this other— then everyone's like, we're here for Zendaya, like Zendaya's the face of the night. And we're like, who the hell is Zendaya? I remember asking someone anyway. And then someone walked in and everyone was like, oh my God. And I just assumed that was Zendaya. It was a dude. Zendaya's a girl. And I was like, that's Zendaya right there.

Jack: And I was like, we're in an interview with Joel Creasy.

Matt: You know, yeah, he does. He was hosting that night. He was amazing. He was so, so good. So we were interviewing like a host, so it was— that was hard enough. And I said to him, I was like, oh, how do you feel that Zendaya's behind you? And he turned around and it was just that dude, some model dude. And he turned back around, he's like, oh yeah, he like covered my ass, thank God. He's like, yeah, good. Then I was like, oh, that's good. And then after we finished him, Zendaya walked in and I was like, that's Zendaya. And we ended up interviewing her.

Jack: Like one of the best interviews.

Josh: Yeah. What's Zendaya's deal?

Matt: She's big actor. She won like Woman of the Year. She's an actor on Euphoria.

Jack: I think she might have even done, um, she's massive. She must be a singer as well.

Matt: She's got like 70 million followers on Instagram.

Jack: She was, yeah, she was super nice. And that was like one of the best interviews we did just because I guess we didn't know who she was. Yeah, she was really good talker, so it was just fun.

Josh: And then you didn't open up with, are you Australian or American?

Matt: No, no, no, thank God. Do you think this—

Tommy: do you think the no prep or not having too much info actually serves it? Definitely.

Jack: It's like today, the Today Show, I think we— they sent us questions they're going to ask us. We don't want to know. We don't want to know.

Matt: We'd rather just like off the cuff. Yeah. And what were they—

Tommy: did they panic or what was the—

Matt: no, it was funny.

Jack: We were pretty nervous. I was nervous before. I didn't even know what we said. Did you fucking dance and walk off or something? Yeah, they're like, dance, dance.

Josh: I was like, oh. So was it a live cross? Were they in the Sydney studio or they were all in Melbourne?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Open live broadcast from live.

Matt: Yeah.

Jack: And so the host, uh, it was Karl Stefanović and someone, but they were meant to do it like we went to get interviewed by them, but then they had to leave like 20 minutes or like 10 minutes before.

Matt: Yeah. Oh, this is right on set. I forget their name. Uh, Alex and Tracy. Yeah, Alex and Tracy, they're really nice.

Jack: They're legends.

Tommy: And so how long did you spend on The Today Show, like 5 or 6 minutes, and that doesn't sound like that long, but it's live television.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to go longer by the end.

Jack: Seriously, I walked off and I was like, I don't know what I just said. Like, I feel like my head was about to blow up, like, just going like, oh. I was like, walked off, I was like, what just happened?

Matt: He walked over and he's like, wait, I don't know one thing that just happened. Now we've done well, hopefully. Yeah, that's good.

Tommy: And then you got the text from your mom.

Jack: Yeah, I'm crying. Yeah, I'm like, what, I was a bad—

Matt: yeah. Oh, that's funny.

Jack: Shame on our family. Back to the job site, mate.

Josh: Yeah, so you should go, Josh. Uh, the, um, I'm just curious on the preparation thing because it makes— it does make a lot of sense from one point of view. There's the other bit which is like, oh well, if you, if you knew if they were Aussie or Australian, uh, you were American, it would be easier. Yeah, as well. But, um, How are you with like retaining facts? Like when, uh, TJ and I have done emceeing and it's like, okay, I need to remember that, uh, Nando's get their chilies from 1,600 farmers in South Africa. I fucking remember that now, but normally on the night I actually forget.

Jack: Oh my God, yeah.

Josh: Are there any facts that you remember? Because I feel like short term I'm not good, but then long term I still remember this shit.

Jack: Yeah, you can't think of it.

Josh: Yeah. Have you MC'd any other gigs?

Matt: Or not really? We've got a couple coming up, I think, but not, not like that, not proper.

Josh: What about the Arias? What did you actually look at before you—

Matt: not honestly, we tried, we had like a, a name of all the artists with their face.

Josh: Did you have a photo? No, no, we tried it.

Matt: No, it was just like their names and we tried to look them all up.

Jack: We listened to like Triple J and that a lot. We're pretty like big in like music, we love music, so We knew a few of them, who they were, but still not that many.

Matt: But still you're not like, oh, how's your son Carl going? Like, has heard he's got this and that. Carl Stefanais. Yeah, Carl. Who has a song called Carl these days?

Jack: Or like, you know, there's like artists where you know who they are but you can't pinpoint what song they are, or you know the song but you can't pinpoint the artist. It's a little bit like that.

Matt: I know you. Yeah, I said to one of the girls I was— okay, who was it? KLP? No, I can't remember. She was dating someone that we just interviewed literally a minute before her, and I was like, oh yes, did you have a boyfriend? She's like, well, it's good to see you've done your research. I actually have a wedding, wedding. Yeah, yeah, I'm married and I have a kid. I love it.

Tommy: It's so disruptive though, because they all assume that everyone talking to them has done their research. Don't assume I've done my fucking research.

Matt: Your publicist came to us. Yeah, you're actually real desperate right now.

Jack: No, no, there's times when people walk up and start talking to us and we'd just interview them and then they'd walk off and we're like, who was that?

Matt: Yeah, but yeah, did anyone know you guys? And so it was, you didn't know them, but a couple people did. We got a few photos with people like, like singers, like, yeah, Hayden James. But we got a new, some, a couple girls, I can't remember their names, um, some young artists. No one, no one important. Yeah, he's important.

Josh: Are you guys dating anyone at the moment? Are you single or what's the deal? No, single. And so does that, does that complicate things as you start to become more popular? You've mentioned girls a lot. Does that become a harder thing? Stay away.

Matt: Yeah. Nah. Nah. Um, I don't know. What kind of old girls do you like?

Josh: Are you guys on Tinder? No, definitely not. What are you, are you right? Why not? Why not?

Tommy: You said that like you—

Matt: Yeah, what's wrong with Tinder?

Josh: They only date people from the areas. Yeah.

Matt: No, you're not a celebrity. Don't talk to them. Yeah, it's the red carpet.

Jack: Which they'll forget. No, it's single. I don't know, it's just too—

Matt: it's just easier. Yeah, especially with—

Jack: I mean, we're not busy. Yeah, but exactly, you know, we're focused on our career.

Tommy: We haven't had any distractions.

Jack: No distractions. No, we're just— I guess we just haven't met the right person.

Matt: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: What about you boys? You guys?

Tommy: Yeah, thanks for doing your research.

Josh: Yeah, 12 years with my girlfriend.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I'm married. Oh yeah, um, Kitty turns 3 Bode in February. Congratulations. That's gonna be a big party. Young Bode. Big Saturday.

Matt: Yeah, you're getting him on the podcast soon or what?

Tommy: Yeah, he's been on a couple of times. He's been sat on my lap and didn't talk the one time I fucking wanted him to, but then he got on Mason's lap and spoke to us. Yeah, yeah, he's a bit camera shy.

Matt: 97.

Tommy: Yeah, sorry, sorry. Um, no, but he'll get on the podcast a bit more. We're doing this for a long time, so nice. You'll see him evolve. 8 years left here.

Matt: Yeah, 8 years.

Josh: Uh, when it comes to traveling, what's the longest time you guys you guys have gone travelling for? I'd be 15 months. 15 months—

Matt: that's longer than my first trip too! That was good. 7 months just over half a year. Yeah, pussy.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, why so little? And so miss my mom.

Josh: And so what would the texts weren't coming through from Mom crying at home?

Matt: You were You weren't anyone then, so she didn't care about it. Stay over there. Don't come over to your someone. Yeah, only over 100K.

Josh: Yeah, I'll contact you when you hit 100.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, mother.

Josh: And so what was the travelling experience, uh, like? Where did you guys go?

Jack: Well, my trip was this last one we went on. We went to Europe and we started this whole thing. Um, yeah, it was Europe, so That was unreal. Where in Europe? Uh, so we started in the French Alps. We did like a snow— like a couple months there snowboarding and stuff, and then went back to England. We worked for a bit, just like on job site laboring.

Matt: That was like 3 weeks. Yeah, we got a 2-year working visa and worked for 3 weeks. We didn't even use the visa.

Jack: We ended up getting paid cash. Um, that's funny. Millions of park and rides. Yeah. We plan to stay longer.

Matt: It sounds like you laughed as if you haven't paid them. Yeah, he's laughing because my name's on the car and I'm not allowed back in the country. Yeah, no, not joking.

Josh: Really? What's it— how much debt do you think?

Matt: There's a— well, let's just say this court notices once a week. Where are you finding—

Josh: where to wake up?

Matt: So actually, I don't know, I should be saying this.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, they're gonna trace you down. They're not tracing.

Matt: No, we— so we only got like, what, 3, 4 parking fines maybe? But it was, it was sent back to my cousin's house, which is where we signed up with the car and stuff. And then he's, he reckons he gets like 7 a fortnight.

Josh: Like, yeah, man, how much are we talking price-wise to get sorted?

Matt: It just started to clear it all up. Oh God, I don't even know. I just told him to throw them all in the bin. And my auntie went and visited him not long ago.

Josh: But if it's only like, say, £100—

Matt: oh no, it'd be thousands. By now. And there's like court notice and stuff.

Tommy: I mean, this— yeah, what happens? How do they—

Matt: I'm just gonna find out when I go to England next.

Tommy: I mean, better to do this. Ash Williams, comedian, he does the same but in Australia, which is a bit more heat on your ass. No way. When it's overseas, it's a bit different.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He has to move around a lot.

Matt: Yeah, just sort of living in an igloo.

Josh: And so you're expecting that when you go to England, you're going to be be at immigration and they'll be like, beep beep beep beep beep.

Matt: I had a few similar things happen in Canada.

Jack: This guy's on the run. What happened in Canada?

Matt: Oh, I forgot to pay a bank some money for like withdrawal fees and that just built up for so long. And then left my car on the side of the road and a couple more phone bill things.

Josh: So you're not good at admin?

Matt: Well, when you're overseas and you have zero money and your parents have already lent you a couple grand, you're just like, I can't do it. And then Canada was fine. I went back and got another 2-year visa after that. So they're pretty nice, aren't they?

Tommy: Pretty nice. Change banks. Yeah, that's what I did.

Matt: Changed 3 phone companies.

Tommy: I mean, this has to be a thing, right? They're going to expect that people are coming over from other countries.

Josh: Yeah, I'm just worried about the England thing for you.

Matt: I know, we'll, we'll find out. But I'm going to find out. Like I don't know.

Josh: And then you're going to try and drive a boat.

Matt: Yeah, just swim over. Yeah, you can.

Josh: Or you could say the cost of the fines. Yeah, because maybe all of that clusterfuck of the travel arrangement is more expensive.

Tommy: In Australia, I think it was Victoria, maybe might have done in New South Wales, they did a, um, people who have fines, the sheriff's department. Oh, the amnesty is? Yeah. And so they were like, come to our big booth. It looks like some something you get a, you know, taco out of a truck, but you actually go up and pay a massively reduced amount for your fines. Like, they want activation, really?

Josh: You get a little— you get a Marvelous Creations bar on the way out or whatever.

Tommy: Yeah, VicPol, they— yeah, you pay it and then all your fines are gone.

Jack: Smart. It's only England anyway, don't even need to go back there.

Matt: It wouldn't be too proper, but if you might—

Tommy: if your parents are watching, you do— you— I'm a good— you abide by here in Australia.

Matt: Oh yeah, you can't do that stuff here. No, no, definitely not.

Jack: Yeah, you knock at the door, gotta go.

Matt: You wouldn't want to do that here. Every fine's like like $400. Insane. Yeah, we've been racking up a few lately.

Jack: Oh, parking fines in Sydney.

Matt: Oh, honestly, every time we go down there to CBD, yeah, they get us. Like, if it's 15 minutes over, you're done.

Jack: They're so savage. They're so heavy. We have so— we've had so many. Like, it'd be like 15 minutes, half an hour over, bang, rock up and there's a fine.

Tommy: You're like, what are you doing in there for filming or a meeting or something?

Matt: Yeah, we're in Sydney often, like very often now, maybe like 3, 4 days a week.

Tommy: You could have rented a place with the fines.

Matt: Honestly.

Jack: But yeah, even still to rent a place, you don't really get a car spot in Sydney.

Josh: I love that it was a consideration.

Matt: It's like, yeah, no, but the thing with the rentals. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hootsy.

Tommy: Yeah, parking even in like Parramatta is seriously expensive. That's when we went up for it to do a job. It was like CBD parking is $100 and something bucks a day for a park.

Matt: What? That's outrageous.

Tommy: In one of those big car parks. And so were you actually chasing the snow?

Josh: Like, so like season, you know, like I've never gone skiing or snowing before. I'd love to. Snowing. Snowing. Is that what I said? Snowboarding. Snowing. Let's go snowing, kids.

Matt: I want to go snowing.

Tommy: Yeah, find my photos on the Facebooks.

Josh: Yeah, good banter, boys.

Matt: Pay your fines. Can we edit this out?

Josh: And so the snow, the snowing stuff, you fuckers, chasing the snow, that's a thing, like the seasons or whatever. So the 7 months in Europe, was that going from one cold place to another?

Jack: Nah, just for a couple months. Yeah, 3 months maybe. But you, like, you were chasing Winters are real.

Matt: I've been doing that for years.

Jack: Yeah, like he goes Canada, then you'd go New Zealand and Canada. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'll just explain his life for him.

Matt: And then he's only this— I love the snowing season in Australia.

Tommy: Have you done—

Matt: did you go to Perisher? Yep, uh, normally go New Zealand, but, uh, this year I'd done Perisher and it was good.

Tommy: Um, I was just straight from home. Nothing like the mountains overseas. No, not at all. It's a bit disappointing here in Australia. It is. Um, Do you like hiking?

Matt: I know. I like getting— I like being at the top. Have you been helicoptered in before? No, I have not. That's—

Tommy: that's heliboarding. You can do that.

Matt: I haven't been heliboarding.

Josh: What's the difference between being helicoptered in and heliboarding?

Tommy: Heliboarding is the name of it.

Matt: You can do it in—

Tommy: you can do it in, um, Victoria as well.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, you can.

Tommy: Yeah, it takes you to tracks that you wouldn't be able to get to. And then, yeah.

Josh: And so would you, would you go in, um, What's it called? Backpackers. What's that called when a backpacker?

Matt: Hostel. Hostel. Hostel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Refuge.

Josh: Do you go into hostels or how do you normally travel around?

Matt: But yeah, both hostels and Airbnbs.

Jack: Airbnbs now. There they go. It depends. Hostels as well.

Tommy: Yeah. I saw, you don't have to say the hotel because you're still here for a night, where you're staying. It seems pretty funky. Yeah, yeah. I guess it's a big hotel. It's not like 7 Hotham Street.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would you say that?

Tommy: Yeah, the police are going to be there.

Jack: Yeah, the English police. Yeah, big pommie hats.

Tommy: Yeah, we're at the Queen's. I saw you getting well into the room service. Oh yeah, so good.

Josh: Is the client paying? They are.

Matt: We're definitely not buying it otherwise.

Josh: So did they, uh, did they put their credit card down?

Matt: Yep. That's good. Yeah, that's good. It's pretty— it's fun.

Jack: I feel sick. I feel like the last one I had, we're watching too much. Uh, we had a chicken burger.

Josh: Burgers, hotel. I mean, it's a great hotel, great hotel, great food. Um, but hotels in general, I found burgers to go either way.

Matt: Yeah. Oh man, don't want to talk about it.

Tommy: I feel sick. What, because you ate too much?

Jack: I think because you ate too much. Yeah. No, yeah, keep it at that.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, keep it at that.

Tommy: Um, how's your— are you guys grew up together or you— or do you work together in the team?

Matt: We met about 7 months ago.

Jack: No, we're like mates from high school. Okay. Yep. So we met like 10 or 11 years ago.

Tommy: Yeah. How's, um, how's your relationship? Bad. Yeah, shit. Well, has it been— has it changed since you've been doing this shit?

Matt: It's pretty funny. We get along quite well, which is lucky.

Jack: We were actually talking about the other day, like, since we've been traveling, we've pretty much spent—

Matt: we're married, literally married, like nearly every day together in the same bed at once.

Jack: Yeah, it was like, there's so many times we were just like I don't know, we're just together always and we actually do it pretty well. Yeah, I think I would like— every now and again we have like, yeah, not really, not blowups.

Matt: You just—

Josh: what's the biggest—

Matt: that when you telepathically know when you're pissing each other off and you just have half an hour apart, then you come back. Yeah, I just like—

Jack: I know this shit, like, I just— I'm annoying. What triggers Jack? Are you consistent being annoying? Yeah, like, just, I don't know, just very good.

Josh: Do you get around Insta Stories much? Like, do you do and is that ever sort of a contentious— I know people get— can get more annoying on Insta Stories.

Matt: Yeah, sometimes when we're hungover it's not good. Yeah, you want to be around each other because you get those stupid moods where you just don't care. It's funny. Yeah, it's funny though.

Jack: We never really have any big loss. No, never. Not yet anyway. Not yet anyway.

Tommy: What about when it's connected to the money stuff? Because Josh and I, we had a friendship before, but we've spent more time in business than we have our friendship. Our friendship has been a part of the business, but our friendship is a business.

Josh: Yeah, we've, we're scaling it.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: We're trying to cash out on that friendship. But I think it changes things. We've got the clear approach of the daily talk show and big media companies, our business. We're doing, you know, X, Y, and Z. We bring on young mate, um, 97, you're 97. What do you, what do you, what's the approach to money and seeing where this goes with your friendship? Well, I just take 90%.

Josh: What about like, have you thought about like, say for instance, a radio show if you were ever to get, you know, Hamish and Andy? Have you ever thought about the order in which your names would go?

Matt: Pretty similar names, aren't they?

Josh: Yeah, fight to the death. Jack and Matt.

Tommy: Jack and Matt. Well, Mr. 97 put that together. There's a sign that we have that has you.

Matt: Let's say this is decided. It was Jack and Matt.

Josh: I thought it was wrong. Yeah, I think it's wrong.

Matt: Jack. Jack and Matt. Matt and Jack.

Jack: Jack and Matt. You can have it first.

Matt: Matt and Jack, we'll just change every week.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, money— I don't think money—

Matt: well, we share the same bank account, so let's just split it. What do you mean? We literally have the same bank account.

Josh: What about like splurge and, um, fire extinguisher, barefoot buckets?

Jack: Everything we pay for is like split it. Yeah, really?

Josh: Why don't you just sort out this fine thing? Like, I feel like this that Jack has is going to piss you off, Matt, down the track. No, it's because then all of a sudden you're going to have issues going into— like, all of a sudden, this is— I'll put a scenario together that could destroy your friendship. Vegemite. Vegemite says, uh, guys, uh, we've done a little, uh, promotion where we've got access to the Queen. And, um, what we can— we'll pay it. And so that— no, but the thing is, too late. Flight. It's too late. And so the thing is, uh, you're meant to do this bit of gear where she tries Vegemite for the first time. It's a great bit of banter, similar to the stuff, the Aria stuff. You get on the flight, all of a sudden Jack can't get into the country because of the fines. It costs you guys— that it's 15 grand.

Matt: I get all the money. Yeah, no, no, no, you both lose it.

Josh: Oh, how do you feel now? That's that.

Matt: No, then you should have put the car in your name. Yeah, so it's a joint issue.

Josh: So do you see I feel like, Jack, that I'm sensing that it was a joint decision with the fines. What do you think?

Jack: Yeah, we'll go out of here. The courts will decide.

Matt: What do you actually—

Josh: no, what do you actually think about them?

Jack: That wouldn't bother me. I was with him, so like, yeah, I'm just in as much the wrong as him.

Matt: So, okay, but I am in the wrong.

Jack: Yeah, because it's your name on it, so it's better just to not worry about it.

Matt: Let it fly over the head. Yeah, yeah, worry about it when it comes to it. Yeah, that's how Bridget comes to it, how you approach life. And it's been all right so far.

Josh: Do you think about, um, radio? Like, I feel like especially the duo format, there's obviously lots of opportunities around Australia for breakfast shows and regional shows and all that sort of thing. Have— has anyone come to you and said you guys should do that?

Jack: We've had— we met up with people from Triple J, but that did— they didn't offer us like a show or anything, but But I mean, our managers kind of like said, would you be keen on it?

Matt: And I mean, I don't know at the moment. Yeah, just playing it by ear. We're not the best speakers.

Jack: Yeah, or readers.

Matt: So how did the manager find—

Josh: like, how did the manager relationship start?

Matt: Um, she was on to us early. She found us at about 7K probably.

Jack: They offered us like a job.

Matt: Yeah. And then our brand like needed someone for them, so needed a plasterer. You need a plasterer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, um, new podcast studio. And then we— what did we, um, and then she didn't offer to manage us then. We, we kind of went through that one, and then about 2 weeks later, another phone call and another one. And then she's like, I want to manage you boys. And we were like, we're coming in, we're coming up, we're doing all right, we don't need to rush into anything. And we just played it by ear for a while. And we actually got hit up a couple more times off other managers, but she was killing it for us. We just had a good vibe. Cool. She's— we're not signed, so yeah, I mean, it wasn't scary. Like, they're not like, oh, we're signing our life away right now.

Jack: So, and it's gone really good. Yeah, like, we get on. She's so fun. We're just annoying the shit out of her, you know. I told him before, like, she's hungover and we just— we manage her half the time.

Matt: Yeah, honestly, managing her, what's going on?

Tommy: Does she come down to Melbourne with you?

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great. She's a brute. You don't want to mess with her.

Tommy: Yeah, she pulling you into line.

Matt: We're pulling her into line. She's a party animal. Yeah, she parties harder than us for sure.

Tommy: But what about when it's like, you say you're going on the Today Show, you don't look at the questions, what's that conversation like? She's—

Matt: she lets us do us, I think. Yeah, she steers in the right direction if it comes to it, but yeah, we can handle ourselves, I hope. Yeah, no, she's good. She's good. She's still like, if there's something needs to be said that she thinks will work really well, she would tell us. Yeah.

Tommy: Um, have you thought about getting on Cameo? Have you seen Cameo?

Matt: We are on Cameo. Yeah. To keep my time spent. Actually got to do one. We've got about 7 hours left to do. Leave it to the last minute. I see.

Josh: Okay, so what's the timeline? Yeah, we've had a few that, uh, what's it called, Sev's?

Matt: Oh, you're on it?

Josh: Well, we were, but they were— they expired. So our mate Ryan John, uh, spoke to Sev's and got us set up, but then Sev's only told us after they'd been expired that we were— yeah, but they were free. But it still was bad. Like, we're in as much trouble as you are. Yeah, like, it's not good. I don't know if we're going to be able to get back onto the to the— yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, so you've got 7 hours left. How long did they give you?

Jack: You get 3 days. They get to choose.

Matt: Oh really? Yeah. So, but I think because it's different, but it's normally about 3, 4 days. Yeah. What do people ask for?

Josh: Is it a birthday message?

Matt: Yep, usually birthday, Christmas, finished. Yeah, we, we don't promote it at the moment, so we're not getting any because we're getting too busy. But when we were, we're doing, doing a fair few.

Tommy: Yeah.

Matt: Are they asking you to dance? Yeah, dancing, piano, guitar, Piano. Yeah, piano. Man of many talents.

Tommy: Where did the dancing thing come from?

Jack: Like, you know, yeah, um, just like going to festivals and stuff and just being an idiot. Like, yeah, just, I don't know. Yeah, just going to festivals and just, I know, I've got a big group of mates and we all just dancing like idiots.

Tommy: And yeah, it's just always— now you guys are the ones getting paid for dancing. All your mates are still dancing.

Matt: Way better. Yeah, that's pretty funny. The other week we're just all dead sober in a room, just had— we all had, um, the speakers on in my mate's room, just dancing with our eyes shut. Was that funny? Yeah, it was in the middle of the day, like 12 o'clock, and our mates—

Jack: it was shit weather outside. We need to go exercise. I was like, let's just put music on and close your eyes and dance.

Matt: Yeah, that's a bit of a workout. Our mate was filming us. It's so funny to look at. We're just— our eyes are shut, just looking like aliens, and our neighbours have a good laugh, I think.

Tommy: There's actually a thing I remember going to in Brunswick, just a suburb close to here, where it'd be in— it was in like this old sort of church hall that they did, you know, kids' activities and sort of meetings and shit. And they like, you know, ballet and shit like that. But they did this one thing that was, um, they turned the lights completely off and put like disco music on and you were to dance. And it was because people didn't like, you know, dancing in front of people. Yeah, yeah. So it was like a nighttime disco. I think it stopped. It's now that silent disco shit. Have you seen that?

Matt: Yeah, that's funny. You've got headphones on and you're walking around the city. Yeah, we've done that with Salty Rain. You know Salty Rain? Have you heard of that? No. What's his actual name?

Jack: You didn't see that, um, on Australia's Got Talent?

Matt: Surely you've seen that. Oh, that's a good video. He's like the funniest thing ever. Yeah, what's his name?

Jack: He's Salty Rain. But oh, Tommy Franklin.

Josh: Tommy Franklin.

Tommy: Oh, the dude that's like the— yeah, in the beard. No, oh, hang on, hang on. Yes, what's that? The red-headed dude. Is he red? Yeah, he's ginger-ish.

Matt: Yeah, he's definitely— this was ages ago.

Tommy: He was— yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. What was the— pull it out. What was the actual thing that he was doing on 97? Salty Ray. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You could be mistaken that he looked like a busker or something. Yeah, off the street, definitely. And he could dance.

Josh: Yeah, it just like mistaken for a busker, man.

Matt: Uh, yeah, it could be homeless.

Tommy: Well, no, but Tones and I used Yeah, she was almost homeless and she's popped. She was living out the back of her car. Yeah, he looked very hippie-ish when he was doing— when he—

Matt: sure, yeah, I remember.

Tommy: Sure, still does. And he still kept her— oh yeah, his vibe.

Matt: I don't really know what he's up to now, but we didn't even know. He was like an idol back then.

Tommy: He was one of the original like, um, viral stars, like, oh, for sure, grabbing the clips and then getting posted through social media. Definitely, definitely.

Jack: Yeah, he's classic. He's He's— yeah, he's dancing is unreal. Like, yeah, definitely get some inspiration for him. Yeah, for sure.

Tommy: Have you met him or are you just—

Matt: no, no, we were like dancing near him. We had the, um, we were like 18.

Jack: Oh my God, it's him! Like, just following around dancing. He was just going skits.

Tommy: Yeah. And so that's— you pull the dancing inspo?

Josh: Yeah. Are you, uh, still watching Gary Vee?

Matt: Gary Vee? No, not really. Still follow him, but I feel like the inspiration's there.

Tommy: So what do you reckon Gary Vee would tell you right now? Now, like, what's some advice he would spit at you?

Matt: Putting out 3 bits of content a day? What are you, pussies? 20 a day or nothing. Yeah, 50, 100.

Tommy: It's TikTok or you're dead. Yeah.

Jack: Do you just listen to him? Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, it's, it's so funny who ends up— yeah, he— what world he goes into. Like, you guys in the— he's like so business heavy as well.

Matt: Entrepreneur world, but also self-help as well.

Tommy: Yeah. And then the content creators. I mean, what What I think he does is impresses people that aren't doing anything and should be putting out content. For sure. I almost have watched him as like, it's like a guilty pleasure. I feel bad about what I should be doing and then get inspired about what I should do and then don't do it. Yeah, it's this never-ending spiral. So lose-lose. Well, because I think for Josh and I, I can still feel like we're not doing enough and we fucking do 7 shows a week.

Matt: Yeah, I know, that's the thing. I know.

Tommy: My life. And so when do you feel content? Like, when do you guys feel most content?

Matt: Not often. No, no, always, always. But, but now, you know, yeah, exactly. Oh, it's honestly—

Josh: if I want to feel the pressure of having, like, uh, I guess when you create, even if you don't like it, you've created a brand or a personal brand, and part of that personal brand is the larrikin, the like a little bit sort of disconnected, you don't really give a fuck type of thing. Does that become harder when you start to care more or the spotlight's on you? I don't know, not really.

Matt: I mean, that's the answer. Yeah, that's a— I can't even, I can't even watch a movie with my mates because I feel like guilty, like literally so guilty that we're not doing enough or I'm not doing enough. But I don't think it changes.

Jack: No, no, no, really, we can't just be ourselves, but we're just motivated to make this something. So it's just like, it's kind of, we kind of just want to like It will hopefully lead to—

Josh: Yeah. Isn't an oxymoron like the idea of a motivated larrikin? Like, or that idea of an ambitious larrikin? Do you see yourself as ambitious?

Matt: I do. You, Eppo, for sure. Yeah, yeah. You say Eppo?

Josh: Eppo for sure? What's Eppo? I don't know.

Matt: What did I say? I think he said, yeah, yeah, Eppo for sure.

Jack: I thought that was very ambitious, and I guess I am as well. Like, we want to— it's kind of hard, isn't it? Like, isn't it? Isn't it? It's a bit hard, isn't it? Uh, I guess we're just trying to be ourselves, and I don't know. Fuck, what are you doing?

Matt: I don't know.

Jack: Next question.

Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, how do you— what's the version taking it seriously but not taking it seriously? So you want to— you want success, but you don't want to just be sort of too focused that it doesn't— that you just lose your version of you guys. You got to just stop.

Matt: And I feel like the biggest thing for for us, we stop and pat ourselves on the back when it's— that's the most important thing. You do that? Yeah, for sure. We try to celebrate. Just start screaming. Yeah.

Josh: No, you actually do. Like, so say you have a big success, or say you find out that you're going to Melbourne for Australian Open. That's sick. You know, you're gonna get room service, you're not gonna have to pay.

Matt: It's sick. It is sick. Yeah. Yeah, oh my God, we're like little kids in a playground. And so when that happened, what's the—

Josh: what goes on?

Jack: So you scream, do you go out and hug and just say congrats, mate?

Matt: Yeah, yeah, we— oh my God, we walked out of a couple meetings, so many actually, like big, pretty big ones for us, and just been screaming. Like, remember after like Triple J, we were running down the street high-fiving, screaming, oh my God, we're just in the studio, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Like, so funny. Because, yeah, a couple times, a couple meetings, like, we're sitting in front of like 5 people and we're like probably hungover and just tapping each other under the table going, what is going on right now?

Jack: And then we walked out and we just, we just start laughing. We'd just be like just cacking because we're like, what the fuck's going on? Like, this is crazy.

Matt: It's inside. It's been a pretty crazy few months.

Tommy: And then with the content creation stuff, it's like if you guys didn't film yourselves and put it out there, nothing would have happened. Exactly. You, you then feel the pressure that it's all on you. Yeah, that's in some level, because it's like the more you put in, you feel like the more you get back, or— yeah. And so there's, there's that battle. I feel that pressure when it's like it's all my responsibility, or it's all like the pre— there is that pressure. Yeah, because you know, if you take responsibility or ownership of it, it's how you can make it actually work.

Jack: Definitely. So what's your kind of goal in this? Like, what did you— what do you want to get out of doing this podcast?

Tommy: Yeah, I think what Josh and I have had interesting sort of approaches. I was in radio for a couple years, place called Shepparton. You like it? I lived there for 2 years doing a breakfast radio show. That was— so that was like, yeah, that's great. Awesome experience. It's like, um, I was, I was, you know, 24, 25, and so I was single at that time. Good age, good age. Great time, just getting it done, just having fun. And then I met my wife wife while I was doing that. And so anyway, now we're here. But, um, that was my sort of crescendo of mainstream media. Like, I wanted to be—

Josh: you use that in a client meeting today—

Tommy: crescendo of the, uh, the goal of getting a radio gig or being on telly, right? And so then that's where that sort of ends. And then I realised there's this other world of, ah, that's, that's not everything because it stops. Like, there's only a few positions for radio jobs jobs. But then there's this content creation world where you— the sky's the limit as far as what you create. So that was where my journey then meets Josh's in, in terms of my— the content creation space. And Josh had been on his version of that journey.

Josh: Yeah. So for me it was like production, a lot of behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. And then just realising that this new media thing, like being able to do a show that you can completely control, you can produce, not working for the man.

Matt: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: So we've taken from our experience with mainstream media, and then also the content creation space, creating viral videos and that approach to, you know, using social media and all those things. Yeah, it sort of brought them together and formed the product. And so that's where I love your approach because it's the opposite of our approach.

Josh: It actually fits so well with our approach because our approach is about like, uh, building a community and having great people on as well.

Matt: And so what's real for you not some producer that you don't even want to work with.

Josh: And so think about it like that. 6 minutes, you have like 6 minutes on the Today Show, which is great, but what format do you guys have where you can chat for an hour? Yeah, just sort of talk shit. And so that's where we're excited, where it's like, and bringing, connecting all the dots to like having Hamish and Andy, like having the older school, old school sort of media and what they've been able to bring and combine it with the, you know, the new, new age version as well.

Jack: And so, uh, I don't know if this is a bad question, but do you make a living out of this?

Tommy: Yeah, so we've started to make money last year from this and into brand integration, but we have a production company, video production company, where— so we've come from working with sort of big brands creating content for them and their, you know, their distribution platforms, Facebook and all of those marketing channels. And so that's where we kind of moved we morph our understanding with that, with this. But it is that goal, right? It's like, yeah, you start this and it was two microphones at Josh's apartment and we didn't video it and it was very lo-fi to where it is today with this incredible producer and a studio. And so, yeah, and so it's like there is a level of convincing yourself along the journey that is— that is, you don't rely on external validation, but in this game, seeing your numbers grow and stuff stuff is a sign that it's working, right?

Matt: Like you owe it to them. You just want to keep grinding and like, yeah, doing it.

Tommy: And so I find like now we're sort of— it's— we're being— we're, we're seeing that external eyes on us or whatever it is, and it's like, fuck, this is working. So there's an injection of another motivator. Yeah, sure. That gets you past another bit. And so it's like you guys, the, you know, that time you jump from $9,000 to $25,000, it's like, fuck, it's working, let's keep going, let's keep going.

Matt: And yeah, the second you slack off was the second and you'll die and like you just can't do it and we don't want it.

Jack: You don't want to do it if you're growing and like even getting opportunities like this, like getting flown down, just it's fuel to the fire.

Tommy: You're like, fuck, I thought he was talking about our show.

Jack: Definitely. But yeah, like doing stuff like this, it is fuel. Like it's fun and you're like, but you feel like you gotta—

Matt: now you gotta really prove yourself.

Josh: Yeah, it's the start as well. Like I think that's the other interesting thing is it's like we don't know where it's all going to go. And so if we just sort of keep our heads down and keep doing it and sort of being open to opportunities and to meeting new people, how can you lose? Even if like the show that isn't successful, the amount of development that you have for sure over that time. Yeah. Yeah.

Matt: And you just see what works and what doesn't and just do what works.

Jack: And if you're having fun, then I guess, yeah, you're winning. So yeah, winning.

Tommy: It's cool. Absolutely. I think you guys, it looks like you're fucking having a great time. Yeah, we do, do.

Jack: Definitely when we're doing public shaming.

Josh: But how'd you come up with the Instagram name?

Matt: In a— in that same Airbnb that got us our ideas.

Jack: But yeah, we're in there and we're just like, we're obviously unemployed and we'll spend so much money on like the worst Airbnbs. And we're like, it was so expensive, the French Alps. Like, we're paying like $30 for a burger that was shit and like $20 a beer. I'm like, oh my God, this is So unemployed, like really feeling like we're unemployed because money was just draining out. But then you inspired something.

Matt: We were like thinking about Jack and Matt, it was a bit like, nah, it's boring. And then Stairs and Foulks, which is our nicknames. And I don't know, we're kind of Googling, is it synonyms? Like, I don't know, for the— for just like people that are— I don't know, we're just Googling. It's a funny name, man.

Jack: Inspired Unemployed. But yeah, but it works.

Matt: We're like, yep, that's it. That's it, done. Made the account and I think you made some bad videos at the start and it's working and it's working. Learn from our mistakes.

Tommy: But no, yeah, I love the, um, so you guys like almost a year. Yeah. And I love the perspective of we've been, we've been giving it a crack for almost a year.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: When some people might have it quicker than a year. Yeah. But some people take 3 or 10 years before it fucking works. So annoying.

Josh: If it was the 10th year where we popped and like, we don't have to. Yeah, this is the final last month. Oh, that shit happens. Yeah, maybe it's like, you know, people die and then they become famous. Yeah. Artists. Yeah. Actually, does that happen?

Tommy: Yeah. Artists. Definitely. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they've become bigger than they were when they were dead. Yeah. Well, that's why. Yeah.

Matt: Well, they normally do. Like, yeah, sales go through the roof and. Yeah. Yeah, the numbers on Spotify, whatever you want to call it.

Tommy: I didn't get to see the TV shows.

Josh: That's why it's always interesting, like you think about the psychology of going to your own funeral. Yeah, hey, yeah, just to sort of see everyone being nice and crying.

Matt: Yeah, everyone's thought about it. Yeah, yeah, who would be there? Who would sing for me?

Josh: They always say, nah guys, I want it to be a celebration. Fuck no, I want everyone crying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want people in tears.

Matt: Yeah, not a joy.

Josh: Thanks for coming on the show, guys. No bloody problem.

Matt: I was just getting warmed up.

Jack: Yeah, that's where you're going. 2 hours?

Tommy: No, that's the thing, right? So 6 minutes, how do you, how do you, how do you fire it up in the 6 minutes of being on live television? That's—

Josh: this format is great because, yeah, you're on a tennis court, that helps.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, it does.

Jack: There's so much more relaxing podcasts. It's just like, because it's natural, you've got time, and there you're trying to like— I don't know, your head's blowing up.

Matt: Yeah, and I feel like you guys could actually care yeah, you know, you're interviewing us because you probably want to know. Yeah. Whereas they might have got told to interview us, where it's just like, yeah, yeah, they definitely got told.

Tommy: Carl's son. Yeah.

Matt: Or something. No. Yeah. And then the crush, I don't know, it's just not as authentic. It was amazing. It was such a good talk. Yeah. And they were frothing. Like, what's his name, Alex, he was getting photos. He got us to send videos to his wife and stuff, which is pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.

Tommy: Well, they're working with the structuring compounds. That's why this show, we want you back on when you're back in Melbourne. Every time you're down here, if you're down for sure, every 24 years when you visit Melbourne, just pop in and we'll do the show.

Matt: The daily talk show. The daily. Unreal.

Josh: It's nice in here. Do you— it's good aircon as well, isn't it?

Matt: Yeah. Bloody hell.

Jack: Stay here for another week. Yeah.

Matt: Why don't we pull up with it? Yeah.

Josh: Pull out the floor. Yeah. Do a couch surf.

Jack: Get the, um, yeah, we do in Sydney a bit because we don't have a place. We either sleep in our van or couch surf at a friend's place, or yeah, whatever we can.

Josh: The back of the van. Keeping overheads low, that's the key.

Matt: That is the key when you don't have much money.

Josh: What sort of van is it?

Matt: It's a Hyundai iLoad.

Tommy: Is that— oh yeah, one of your videos?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, we're thinking that would be a good, um, Hyundai, uh, I never know how to say Hyundai.

Matt: I don't know. Hyundai follows us on Instagram.

Josh: Instagram. I'd like to get a— I don't know if this is too obnoxious, but I'd like the Daily Talk Show, like a wrap on a van.

Tommy: Yeah, we have a garage here, could live here. It's our work, work, work.

Josh: But then we'll do like shows. Yeah. Obnoxious?

Matt: Yeah. Is it obnoxious? No, not at all.

Josh: That's fine. That's cool. Have you ever thought about putting a decal on your van?

Matt: Yeah, your faces or whatever, just like a little bit of like lunches if you're a breakfast show. Yeah, you turn on us, it is a little bit obnoxious, isn't it? Drive around with your own car, shoot our faces on it, follow us on Instagram. Yeah, that could be good. Please.

Josh: What about if you were to get like a sponsor to pay for the, uh, for the wrap? So say, you know, I just had a brand on the corner.

Matt: I couldn't do it.

Josh: Yeah, especially if you sleep— it's harder when you're sleeping in there.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? You get out of here, you get the coffee store at the local, you get out of your car and it's just the inspired unemployed. I'm not doing that.

Josh: Cringing. Has it got a bed in the back?

Matt: Does, does, does. Yep, it does.

Jack: It's a few nights in that. A few nights.

Josh: A few, um, what's the— what's the— I can't— we have to talk about it.

Tommy: Well, Rambaran, they hate it. What's that? Sleepy. Unless you're in—

Jack: oh yeah, so it's like, yeah, in Sydney it's pretty fine.

Matt: It's good with that car because no one knows it's a camper. It's just like an average van. Yeah, sus van.

Josh: No one's ever tried to break into the van or anything while you're sleeping in there?

Matt: No, it's actually happened to me in, um Um, oh, in, in— what's that place called in under LA? Um, maybe where we stayed in there after Coachella. San Diego. San Diego. I stayed there with my mate, but in the back of my van with my ex-girlfriend for a few nights. And I had this at about 3 in the morning because it's a party place, this big old roided up cloud looking dude was walking. It's a cloud, like a cloud, like a cloud looking dude. Yeah, sure, just— yeah, pronunciation. Is not good. Yeah, that's great.

Josh: No, because I'm very, uh, receptive to new words, so when I think that it's a new word, I get excited.

Matt: Sydney talk. Yeah, Sydney talk. This is good. Oh, he was walking down the road with about 3 mates. They were massive, like huge. You could hear them, they'll bash on all the cars, and I was like, oh fuck, here we go. I had to protect my ex-girlfriend, which I was not one to protect anyone. Still, still am not. And, um, got to, got to my van and he's trying trying to— he's like, him and his mates are trying to open every single door handle, like smash on the windows and shit. Oh, it was so scary. I woke up and I was just like, he locked the doors. Don't say a word. Like, I was like, move. And he was looking in the windows and he's like trying to open every door handle. Oh shit. What do you think they wanted?

Tommy: Do you think they screamed? You— they probably would have, like, a full high-pitched screamer.

Josh: Yeah, but if they're banging it, are they trying to smash the window? Here's—

Matt: they were angry He was—

Josh: so they were just angry.

Matt: He was road raging, that bloke.

Jack: Hey, that would be scary.

Matt: Let's just put another brave face. Don't— it's all right, I got you, I got you, love.

Jack: Yeah, when he walks 100 metres down the road, he's like, he's still there. Oh, he's gone, he's gone.

Josh: I'm just going to flash the headlights.

Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, come back. I had him.

Josh: Uh, great, still here. Thanks so much. Thank you.

Tommy: Thanks, bro. Yeah, shake hands. Yeah, first shake hands. Have we done it once before?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does have rough hands, doesn't he? Soft to mine though. Yeah, they're nice.

Matt: Have you seen my toe?

Jack: Yeah, I got a friend that's got one like that.

Matt: Why? Why? What, a hacksaw or something?

Jack: Murderous. That's funny.

Matt: Hey, I don't know, what if— so he's got his own Instagram account. Does he? No way.

Josh: Yeah, if you could tag him. Yeah, yeah. Do you want to be a selfie? Do you want to be in it?

Matt: Oh my God.

Josh: It's hard.

Matt: Oh my God, so good.

Josh: If you enjoyed this, the show, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Uh, otherwise, see you tomorrow, guys.

Matt: Like, comment, share, subscribe. That's good, that's a good one.

Tommy: Love it. Do it all.

Matt: Thanks, more content.

Josh: See ya. Bye-bye.