#553 – Callum Sinclair On Doubling Down On Your Strengths/
- December 21, 2019
Callum Sinclair – AFL Sydney Swans ruckman
Callum Sinclair started his career as a draft pick for West Coast Eagles, before transferring to Sydney Swans during the 2016 trade period.
We chat about being drafted for the AFL, ASADA testing, doubling down on your strengths, and how Cal dislocated his shoulder twice.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Going from high school sport to being drafted for the AFL
– The Bald Company
– ASADA testing
– Whether playing footy feels like a job
– Doubling down on your strengths
– What Tommy was like in school
– Dislocating your shoulder twice
– Cal’s podcast
– Cal’s Theatre Studies monologue
– Life after footy
– The footy atmosphere
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 553
we got special guests in the studio Calum Sinclair, Sydney Swan you can clap clap I know you otherwise. Otherwise at saw the Sydney Swans from elsewhere primary school where we went to primary school together, did you? How old are you? 20
and 30 I've just turned the big three is so on. Winter birthday 23rd September So, yes or 21st 23rd 23rd so I've suddenly worked all things out in life. Yes, I've turned 30 so it's actually definitely different.
As your body feel at 39
it gets tougher every year particularly with the mind is actually the one that the takes over all the time but not not too bad. I think it had a tonne of injuries over the career night But surprisingly, I've actually actually had a nasty shoulder reconstruction literally about five months ago. So I actually missed about four four months of football and it's actually in terms of more body motion so this is actually the best thing for me missing games and things like that. So at the moment quite good but as a as a coach once said to me on the talk and turn very very quickly so I'm sure one heat or one comment tomorrow
Debbie Downer What do you motivation? So you see the rock minute Sydney Swans fact they're long way from elsewhere in primary school where we kick the footy around the oval,
it was actually I remember I was thinking about it yesterday, kind of actually, when I first saw this guy was on YouTube, and I know when you're, you know, when you kind of look for something on YouTube and then and then an hour later, you kind of go back and you find yourself looking at it. You might look at like a motivational thing and then you find yourself looking at cats with
a video. You popped up think go into promise go with this go. I think you might have been a year, a year older than me.
I mean the algorithm as the cat's
funny story though, I went around to mom's place, probably four or five months ago, and I saw this like a sign on the door. I was like my mom that's selling. I didn't know this unspoken. Real Estate song It was like had some sort of real estate on there and I walk in I was like, Mom, what's going on? No. Andrew Sinclair knocked on our door. This is your older brother. And so Sheldon so yeah, where he works. And and so
did he convince them to sell?
No But I thought I thought it is a genius idea because he now has somehow asked mom and dad to leave the size lever like a real estate sign on the on the fence and I was thinking is this Andrew hoping that people would see it and go I want that corner block because Monday we got a corner book and maybe they'll call Android ago. Is that for sale? You guys selling that? So I think it's Andrew sneaky sneaky tactic. So
did he get the listing?
No, he hasn't they don't even sell it. He's just I think he's just he's growing
as he put this on Oh,
no. It's like some site I'll have to take a photo of it give you brother a plug on and stuff. But it's like a some sort of sign on the gate that just says the real estate agency, but it's I'd be for sale. That's what I'm saying. People might be like, I wonder if it is. So your brother's sneaky tactics? I think they're working.
Did you know that you're going to get into my professional sport look like?
Yeah, we're into a elsbeth primary which had the Assads kick programme I think was v Kick, kick. Kick look, ideally, like yeah, I had a father that applied professional sport and I had two older brothers that were like really, really into it. So it basically first started out as a trying to impress your old man impress your brothers. And to some extent, it's still a bit like that. But yet to be honest, it was literally basically following in my father's footsteps and then he used to run the, the big programme the programme back then. And St. Yeah, he was a guy that used to basically the role was to get the megaphone and all children come meet me here and have a chat and say, Hey, divide all the kids up and into ages and things like that. So all of him is like my hero and you know, did all those kind of things and from there, you start playing juniors and things like that, but But yeah, it's always been a massive focus on what I want to do. But there's been a lot of hurdles and things in the way but yeah,
What school did you go into going to after
for high school for grammar
for grammar problems. If I'm inside pa until I went to a public school, and then I was a public school, but it's like, becoming an AFL footy player in Australia is like it's the elite sport most young men want to achieve. Variety like I remember hipstamatic the one to be AFL club. Be an AFL player, are you supported through the high school years? Or is it just some pipe dream? Like? Are they actually thinking of this kids actually got it or
was in more like
people around you like when you're in high school, like people around again? Yeah, I know but also make sure you become an accountant.
Because you might not like the high school I went to and look up stuff and I'll say it now I'm 30 and do what I want. But you know, they they gotta put, you know, high school footballs on them on a on a bit of a pedestal and you kind of told, you know, with things like social media stuff, the days like the the polite, the good players are pretty well identified and you start to kind of you know, look, it gives you some street cred in the, in the light, you know, in the lunch room in the lunchroom who has lunch from
public schools on the fact they have lunch
but yeah, like you. There's a lot of players that get identified. That he started guy I know this guy's gonna apply filters and I'm gonna try that that didn't actually happen to me I was actually playing our reserves fully at school so my pathway to applying I felt was a little bit different to a lot of the guys at school but now it's like social media and probably stuff like you guys doing like 17 year old kids that play you know Junior sport a lot of celebrities now, I can imagine to be a lot. A lot worse now and not worse, but
you're almost getting clouds before you've hit the big time.
Yeah, like guys just got drafted, who are it and we just had a draft in the back two or three weeks ago. So we had about 518 year old players come to the club and I went on just actually on I was on the flight just over here before I came across a video. The top 10 picks straight after they're only 17 we're doing a suit fitting at one of the Dan chapel street
lighting so solid stuff like that and I'm like I'm still bond me sport
but yeah the the tides definitely change with how you know players are perceived and how they're prospected at a young age but yeah, it's um, you literally can from now when you're 15 you're being scattered there's going to be videos about you online and you can see who's getting picked and who's going to be a day supply but
more pressure rights I have your personal brand darlin make sure you can talk to your camera of your Tick Tock. Yeah, yeah. Not too edgy, but just edgy enough. So you get the follows. You went through three drafts before your night of it. Yeah, what does that mean? Well, I mean, what are you doing is playing a game and you lose each time and then the final one you win is that what is
this a bit so I don't know about you how it kind of you guys know how it works. But so when you when you get to get to get on an NFL listener to get drafted, which basically means that you know you pay 60 bucks and you guys can do if you want to do it again. 60 $60 So you put your name in the ballot and if you're lucky enough someone to call you name it, but
then you're on the team.
So I think over 1000 people, I think over 1000 people, you know, put their name in and pie, but honestly, probably between 70 and maybe it five, maybe nine again, get picked up. And so what's the picking process thing? Because obviously, there's a step between you get the thousand people, then surely it's not just like a raffle system. Surely it's like, okay, can Cal actually play? Yeah, so you have to so clubs have got, you know, five or six recruiting staff now, and I, you know, like I said before, they're looking at you from when you're 15. And you know, and the good thing about what happened to me is you can draft players who are over the age of 18, who have you know, multiplied state league for a while. So you see a lot of guys these guys who are drafted a 2324 25 split, my personal situation was I didn't really get on the radar of iPhone clubs until I was probably about 20 years old. So my first two years out of school so usually you get drafted, majority of players get drafted at 18. But a lot of the two years I was kind of playing local football and I was playing for all African Americans. Yeah. And which that's not even like a part of the VFL why not suburban league was playing Division Two in that
it's what a lot of PC heads do. But you would just take it seriously Yeah, now a bunch of people that were playing
myself back then I was actually probably the funnest
so you know, like for Viola goes off to like country town, grand or whatever, what's the
deal? Well, with someone like him would probably he finished his AFL career and still had amazing talent. He's an entertainer is unbelievable footballer so you know, a lot of country times they kind of say, Oh, well, why don't you come and play for play three games for us for the year. You know, literally the whole town turn up he can, you know, you get free beers after the game. It's a big event and You know and that him him I'm not sure the figure he might be paid a few thousand bucks to apply or get a sign on bonus or something like that. And then from there Yeah, I think there's a common theme they might take a percentage of what the of the tickets are sell the game so bit harsh for community football
so you did two years so yeah 18 you enter the draft no luck. Is that based on No I didn't even enter the draft either. And so
I wasn't even like, literally just playing local football because that's what I just thought I
guess brothel I What did you think you're going to do? So we're having a gap year or
no, so I finished school and went to university went daikon unique, got a decent enough score to do that. And like I always wanted to play AFL, but I literally started from I go or I will How am I going to do this? I literally started from Division Two
and sounds like and like an outlier sort of approach like given that everyone picked it up. Dana whatever and we sort of when you playing Junior footy, will you the like the best player on the team? I recommend was up until about 12. And then
and then there was a thing called puberty. I mean, I thought
I was the best player on the team up until about 12 Yes. And I
realised Actually, I can literally remember the first game when I actually realised there was a thing called beauty. So they finished like under twelves. And then you have like your six month breaking you play cricket and tennis and things like that. And then I came back for the we had like one practice match, and I never ever forget. Coming back. I'm like, yep, I don't have to do any work. I'm just going to come back and play well, and there was a guy I was warming up in the rock and there was a guy looking at me, I swear to God, he was 33 we had these like amazing like, the adults and lattes and my boss is a lot. Oh my God, this guy ever and I literally did not touch the ball for about that. You were speaking
about that there was always one kid when we were young that just became a Goliath
PVD early and it goes, You
know, I get really hung up on this kind of stuff. But there are always the guys that got picked for all the representative time. So they might not have been the most skillful like that you know, the model even touch the ball, but, but perception is reality that they looked like they could do something. It's like
picking a young, tall kid to go and try it for basketball stuff just because he's got the Tobit nailed. And good, okay, it's
basketball. Are you obsessed with the whole puberty thing? Like, were you like, when am I
gonna grow? As I remember? So yeah,
the only the only time I ever prayed as a kid. I remember seriously like, I was like, 11 years old, in my bed saying, Please, God, just give me that was the only thing that I ever
wished for. Like it's so weird what we should get for a
fucking hairy back Yeah, 20
years I honestly I actually did think about that, you know, and going to a to a hospital, where there was, there was a thing called girls there that night things really different and they always like the it's like a therapy session.
And I and I kind of, you know, like the guys who were big
when he now 6767 When did you get to six? Seven? Was that
our economic? Or hockey? I finished at about 21
Okay, so growing back, I mean, this is the thing that you said it probably serves you that you've started AFL when you 20 or gotten the draft when you were 20 because you're closer to being a fully formed.
Yeah, I think so. I think you see a lot of guys particularly cave, this implies a lot myself that, you know, they, excuse me, apply it, you know, come in at the age of 18. And before you know, they're 25 in the seven years in a pretty brutal, brutal guy. So it really can play consistent if football was probably about 25 to be honest. So I kind of feel like my age might say that I'm in the light kind of category with my career but like you said, recognise three or four years actually might have saved me a little bit.
There's a weird thing happening at the moment. I think it was This American Life did a whole episode around human growth hormones in kids. And basically like when you're like, if you're super well off or whatever, in the US, there's families who are going saying, hey, my kids, like short, they're like, No, they're not that short. But they're just trying to get human growth hormone so the seed fucking gets real big.
They can't actually basically Yeah,
huge thing. Yeah. Kids going on human like, especially in sort of the real top tier of society, whether it can cost them up to $400,000. But they basically go to the doctors or whatever and say, I'm worried that my kiddies you know, too small, but it turns out that like, they're actually not that small. Anyways. Interesting. All right. Well, not my power. She's actually confessed to me also that she was a light developer. So I'm like,
y'all, man, your brothers at all?
Right? Yeah. So I think Brett, Brett, he he's bald,
very, very bold. He's got
the ball company.
everything you said. It's actually a great launch. So, yeah, it's
been a pleasure, man. It's the bold company. That's all coming my brother.
He went border young age. I really, he we always used to give him a granular should have a very, very, he caught the quite well. He always made fun of himself. But it wasn't until it probably he was around about 30 years old that he actually real. I actually realised that actually, he actually took that really, really hard like going forward. 2223 Yeah.
Yeah. And he,
so he started this revolutionary thing will plan to the revolution, right, called the bold company and it's basically a fight against all those companies who that clan they can regrow hair and things like that and he's a very very funny man my brother so he's done a lot of funny YouTube things and funny videos he found a funny video that got a fair bit of traction he put a veggie Mark long story short he was saying this is what you look like when you go get a hair transplant I'm sorry to you guys if you have on that but very very passionate about cancer
of you as I mean because it's interesting thing like all these things like hair loss like all these things that like guys care about I feel like we don't talk about it that much. Well, I'm
so you're one of three boys. Yeah. So my my eldest brother is going to be bald. I don't know if you'll go completely bald, but it's definitely gone round is pushing way back. And then Mikey, my middle brother, same ages. Brett, he. He's got bamboo here.
For some breath philosophy is really like one of his big things that he talks about is that if it's going and it's like, good people will go to like, He's our lot of research we go to the integrator that the auto pills lotions, I do anything. Yeah, if it goes, just get rid of it. Yeah. There's a big thing around he talks about acceptance and moving forward. And he wrote he actually he's actually written a book, or Yeah, he written a book about he's so passionate about this
wouldn't have happened if he didn't believe him is excited. Yeah, exactly wrong.
So I'm scalp health because I wonder about what my scalp would actually look like. Before. You
know that I'm being serious. talks about Yeah, and he actually has a thing on fashion. second chapter on fashion.
Like I were way more hats. I got told by a hairdresser she asked if my dad was bold. I said, Yes. This is what I was like. 13 she said, have all of the crazy hairstyles why you can. Not like, I mean, I'm what 29
Yeah, I mean, we will What's your old man?
variable so guy so main man Andrew have taken off to my mother Carol. Beautiful head of hair. Yeah, still goes to the side hairdresser and then I quit on the road Austin week. Lovely. But Brett unfortunately got me all man's Jane. So it started off with a receding hairline. And then that lawn just got really really thin. And and on a holiday one day off because our Dayton came back and we shaved off and he's never looked back. He actually looks so much better.
Yeah, I think it looks great. Lucky. You gotta own it. If you get if it goes, you gotta own who's the tennis dude. I guess he used to wear wigs. Yeah,
yeah. He's talking massively about how self conscious he was and how much it affected his life. Like he said, the amount of hours and time that he spent trying to actually hide, you know, yeah, he's hair loss because he was ashamed of it. He said it. I think he actually came out and said it was really really horrendous.
Go through it. So what about in the club? Any baldies city there.
with Jeremy was actually one he was IQ just retired. He was a captain, but he he's actually should be the pinnacle. He accepted at very, very early. Last but every now and then the group, they just want a PowerPoint, they'll just you know, watching like a game vision and talk about a real serious conversation and the next slide. This is a joke. I just put a photo up and when he had here
it's peroxides peroxide, real curly hair. Horrible, just horrible.
I think it's something like Nathan Jones from Melvin. It looks great. bald head, very shiny, very shiny,
though. He's probably just played for us actually. And he hates he accepted it at a very, very young and his brother or his brother that applied applied for us, Zach, he's now gone to St Kilda last year but you know, he was going very, very early American. He accepted it at about nine and just went really hard. Yeah, I'm talking about like all these activists but
it's really driving
because he's doing a massive relaunch and he said Look, I'm thinking of doing all these events and things like that. I'm like, oh, man, I'll host the event and MC and do a podcast was like, you know,
would you shave your head for it?
Oh, God not
mentally unstable for that.
Well, I did see a, you know, studies around high testosterone could lead to baldness, but then we as a group got our testosterone tested. And all that. Yeah, I didn't have monster cow.
What was the results? Actually? Have you had a haircut recently? I saw that.
Yeah. The results? Yeah.
You were 2020 he was lying. I was 1010. And I was 15 or something. Yeah. It says the range was meant to be 10 to 35. Yeah.
Which I mean, I don't even know like yours would probably be 60. Just
you know, you got a bit of a not a doc pass but you have some sort of, not Doc, but he's lived
I took testosterone, steroids, which that can make you go bald, like a hyper testosterone, which
I thought it made you go.
Now I don't know if it makes it like steroids can make you bald? Definitely. There's a and lots of taking lots of drugs can make it bold. I don't know, I've survived a lot. Like you said, I've lived, but I'm all good.
High Performance athletes, like what's, what's the deal? Do you have to like care about everything what you're racing? Is it that whole, you know, like, what I don't know much, but like essent. And all of a sudden, like they had all the drug stuff is that can that accidentally happen? Those types of things where it's like I was taking this supplement, and it turns out, it's
I think from that, that, that situation like the NFL have actually come down and everyone hard, but they've actually, you know, putting a lot of policies and procedures and things in place. And, you know, I've actually got a lot of sympathy for a lot of the concepts from the time actually, I couldn't, I don't actually know the details and I'm sure I think it might actually stupid guy but I'm actually got a lot of sympathy for the playing group for for kind of what that went through. But look, I think now I think we're probably the late the not sure if this is actually correct but I know we're up there that we're most highly regulated league in regards to what you can and can't take so I'm pissing in caps all the time then had one about two days ago. So yeah so we have an illicit drugs policy which is from the NFL, which is we have we which we have to abide by and that means what like no cocaine No, marijuana, like what can you learn every year we have a policy where Yeah, I feel we have a
three strike policy in regards to
our what we do in regards to illicit substances and
it's pretty lenient, don't you think so?
Does that mean it say if someone gets caught that they had ecstasy and it's in their system? That's one strike but we don't tell anyone or
yeah luck with is a bad policy and is quite complex about what they go through. But we also have a sada, which is basically every sporting code in, in Australia has to has to abide by. And that's headed up by water, which is the world anti doping associations that that's basically out there to catch traders but so yeah, so it's a pre, they're very, very thorough. So you get tested your favourite throughout the year
when you say the testing. I remember I was working at this gym, Chris Anstey basketball player came in those guys just follow him around with the fact that he's just drinking Gatorade and it was the drug testers had knocked on his door that morning and he couldn't This is the heart I don't need a piece. I just I just hang around for the whole day. And then they hang around is that
literally was actually the case I think. So. When you get tested, they literally kept you and they just say Hi, I'm Paul from a solder and you're you're being chosen for a drug test. Where are
you Bronte just getting the coffee
or the so assata can come to literally literally anywhere so you have to fill out your whereabouts like your home address. It's not like oh, I'm going down to get some Milk
like trolls I could have troll Could I come in and be like hey Cal Josh from assata take a sample Do you reckon it'd be quite easy for a stranger to take your piece without you
realising the saw the study that they've got a lot of a lot of accreditation and things like that. But generally what are you looking for a
badge if I show my
comic Safari shirt and that's got you know, Australian emblem on there and like Hawaiian shirt government a lanyard with a photo ID and so you exchange ideas just to ensure everything is all good so I'd like to full on like legal legal process and they go to all places and we actually know the people now because I think we they have a you guys are in charge of these clubs of sport and so like when I come in I'm like, Oh, hi bill and walk around like someone else before that. But yeah, like the first time you do it is like the most confronting process ever. Like I was like
just having a shower in front of The boys when I first came
and when they came you're like oh yeah yep no worries and it's literally like you know you stand there you do all the documentation and palms are sweaty and stuff like that and you know usually you take a piece it's not that hard that they watching you yeah like ducks down to your own identity and as
they turned around are they looking
they're looking at yes the ducks the ducks and bow down job.
You need a lanyard never try make it same old official This
is literally like you just say their AWS and I just like
to say straight Yeah, I need to say Point to Point
makes it even funnier when you I believe that my day today
because I've got like severe stage fright and it takes them my forever ago took me a few hours once because I was just so as a young man, and I was just so paranoid about it, that it's So, so nervous actually, you know are you right in a trough every single day? Yeah but when some guys directly just honing in on your on your old fella it can be
do you do you think that you're you're better at the trough now in that sense of like more confident Do you think like you could go to a PC What does it have to be in a little plastic cup?
To be honest why if I met the footy club and then club do it all the time I'm completely fine but if I have to go to like a restaurant or an airport or something like that I'll get massive stage fright I don't know what it is still get it like
what are you going to
lines hey I'm actually have a big thing about white pants I remember as a kid I can shaking and then getting a bit of peace on my pants. Unlike click on yeah and so now I'm fucking paranoid. That if I wear like pants that that
caught me doing that the other day Really? Good. What is that like? Oh, I just I just had some
people call that, isn't it? That's very annoying. Do you feel like what you do is a job or you just walk in, blacked out and you got I mean, not like that, but you got this thing that is every day is feeling like it's I'm just getting out to play. I think
it's all around. I think it changes I think when you first start out that you think it's you don't recognise just like oh my god, like I'm getting a paycheck and a relatively good plan for my age at the time. And then you start to and then but then I think when you start getting injuries and you start kind of being part of this pretty high pressure environment and you got to worry about performance and you've got a and now that the league is so there's so much player movement, like you can get traded now you can you know, you can really get delisted at the end of every season quite easily. So, I think as you get older and you know, as the week gets smaller and you Korea is only a short party life, I think it's slowly does sort of Become a job, but insane that I could imagine that, you know, you fast forward, you know, 10 years I'm doing a different job, I'll look back and go, that wasn't really work was that I think the physical side of the game really, really does take a toll on you. And then that you kind of think, Oh, this is a really, really tough job, but I think to be front of a desk every day, on a computer or things like that, you all look back in my career and go, Oh, you know, was that really work and things like that?
I mean, you said that the the mental thing is one of the harder things as you've gone on your career. And, and so maybe I mean, that's, that's where high performance environments as stressful as they are putting yourself through. Yeah, definitely. Well, you have
to perform. And then the there's particularly in in in competitive sport, there's so much that goes into it, particularly again, as well. It's so extremely complex, but if you look at look, if you compare professional sport and particularly ifl over here, Melbourne and it's so slight religion down here, it's a little bit different to what it is in Sydney. But, you know, if you guys work for a big company, you're probably only getting a review. Basically performance once, maybe twice a year maybe. But for us, it's you're getting performed literally daily and not just from your own coaching staff, you know, you're getting it from the public the footy club as a whole up is. So the constant analysts, analysis of your performance, it's pretty full on and but it's what do you get paid to do? But there are definitely there are some days where you're like, Oh, this is this is pretty fun and pretty tough. But I think yeah, it's just a constant analysis. It's daily.
If you came to our team, and we're in charge of coaching us, what would be some of the things that you would bring from a footy club culture into the daily talk show coaching in what respect like athletic coaching, coaching as I guess like for most of the Yeah, the analysis, the sort of like performance You don't need to know how to handle
some players count.
But look odd probably the big thing I recognised side would be we talk a lot about fundamentals of the club. So believe it or not, you might we literally do think like basic basic drills around handling kicking, marketing and things like shipping like which you'd probably think oh my god, I learned that stuff when I was doing I was kick like would do lacking honesty but we're kind of I'd say, if I could bring anything into you guys would be nail the fundamentals of actually what makes up your game or your organisation and things like that and become really really good at it. I recommend Another one would be it's very easy to pick on people's weaknesses and take on you know, areas they can improve on but it's pretty hard to actually lock ask you guys like what would you say your strength is?
Yeah, man. Yeah, that's the point is it's actually really, really quiet. Hard to identify what your strengths are. What people don't naturally really like talking about it, and particularly in Australia were quiet. That was That sounded tall poppy syndrome. So when you talk about your strengths it can, it can kind of be saying is sometimes a little bit Are you are you fully yourself, but that's what will make this thing work. That's what will make daily talk show. They really, really good. So it's quite easy to say, Oh, you know, I told me you're not that good at that. But do you think it's a strength for that as well? So
I love it. And so you think we gravitate even in the football environment, people looking at what they're bad at that that's easy to recall. I'm not good at this or,
well, it's not necessarily bad or like, you know, yes, like you're an environment and to be good at anything. It's always about constant improvement. But I just honestly think that, you know, everyone's there for a reason. And you know, you as an individual, you really need to work out. Why am I being taken aside or why am I doing what I'm doing? It's, it's because I believe that I'm good at this. And that's all I think these guys could have that. That's actually really, really hard to identify. And I actually really, really struggle with it. Like I'm in terms of like, talking about my strengths. I hate talking about it.
The older our field
or life, like, I just think the whole concept of talking about what you're good at. It's just this thing in our culture where it's a little bit. People just think you're full of yourself, but
it's on yourself. Yeah, but but but
that's the reason that you will hopefully be really, really good at something. It's very easy to pick on something you're not good at.
So does the team like does that dynamic? incorporate that like it? Like what is the daily thing? Or is that more personal thing that you've identified
more of a personal thing, but literally, we always talk about, at the end of the day, when you go out in the field or you go out in the training, you literally have to play to your strengths. So if you're not, I'm never ever gonna be the quickest guy on a football field. And I'm six foot seven, I'm 100 kilos. I'm not gonna be
chasing Cyril. really gonna win. And catching MSS never ever gonna happen given the crack, and
I played against him in a, in a school game once and I, I took a mark, and I very very stupidly played on behind and I just never forget, like I got about 10 metres. And I just looked, and there he was just lie and I looked again and he was just like in my face and I just, I just handled that. But what I'm talking about is basically Yeah, every player that that applies for us or we're literally sadder than you. Yes, you have to know the fundamentals of the game, you got another job planning another strategy. But at the end of the day, what it comes down to is you playing to your strengths, and that's what will make you play well.
What about I guess, a misalignment of roles and strengths you have ever have someone who's really good at kicking goals in the backline This is my 40 top
guess how many books defenders kick goes my I'm
so like, I guess if you hold on back and fullback Hold on, like it's so sad if someone was like, is anyone in the back line saying my strength these kicking goals?
Not necessarily because they put down there for a reason. Yeah. Because the ideally a lot of trouble with what's happening but yeah, I'll be down there be they'll literally be a defender because they're incredible that you know setting up the defensive shape of their time. And their their ideal strength is to put away the best player and make sure that they don't touch it. What do you think about all rounders? People who are good at a bunch of things good about you everything in law firm football. What's the strike me? A lot of people that are Yeah, well, that can be kind of a yes, that can kind of be a little bit of a curse as well because you might not have a real set kind of role and things that you can have a real clear value of what you bring to you Your team or your organisation, but yeah, there'll be worse problems to have I could imagine.
I mean, the funny thing is your own got your position. Your brief stint as the Rockman you know exactly what you have to do. Are you told to not kick goals like as a Rachlin?
No, no no i think i think there's a like a I'm very passionate about about Rockman because I think they is this old thing that are running into these tall silly dumb guys and all they can do is stand there and just tap the ball and lumber around but but no, I think he try and get us down to sit and that's how you win games is kick goals. So yeah, now that that was an old thing it was there used to be an old thing about Rockman Yeah, there was like high the standard of the ground. Don't touch anyone. Don't talk to anyone just stand in the middle of the ground and just go from stopping to stop which but that as the game changes that rocking so bloody quick these days is me to keep up. How
many kz you running a game as a Rockman
you probably range between yeah like 12 to 15 k yeah you think as the game is probably when you yeah something's wrong you're constantly chasing but but yeah usually the running side of things I don't really find necessarily that kind of difficult. is a lot of other things more the the combat stuff which a lot of boys kind of that that's the stuff that ties you down like if you keep hitting the floor and getting back up in doing general exercise but we all have those exercises the gym where you if you're doing a 45 or whatever you do that right down to the floor up. There be that's hard yeah getting up and getting up and down off the grounds pretty hard in charge.
The for people who aren't familiar with Australian football or things like that when I played as a kid oranges at halftime was a big thing. It have oranges halftime, does that translate to professional? Yes, he if he still has I'm glad
you have So no that's been banned in junior football why Warren just has been banned
is the acidity is really bad for for kids teeth. And but but on that they sell straps that they put on that they hand out. I don't know if they still do it but for a long time they said no to the oranges but then outside. And today our best player is he's a Big Mac voucher. Yeah, it's incredible that you can't even cut oranges for a kid anymore. That's another thing I did as a primary school in Sydney that that I heard of the band ball sports at recess. Why? Because some of the hidden head
was what sort of mean I am. I was actually the sports manager in primary school.
A teacher wanted you to get the ball.
Because what happened was they had a sports monitors which was selected by the students. I didn't get a position I was really cane. And so the PE teacher she gave created a new role. called sports manager and I created a system in which people would pay $1 and they would get a key ring with their details on it. And if they wanted to borrow a bone, I had a board with a hook. And so it's a basketball 1-234-567-8910 I then put numbers on all of the bowls. And then self they came and got a ball. I'd say okay, you've got bone number four, give me your keyring or then put it on, on the hook
to get out of exercise.
Every, every week on a Friday, I would sort of live it not collecting any debts, anyone who hadn't given their ball back, because there's a big issue with equipment getting lost. Stealing balls. Yeah,
maybe friends in school.
Well, I may
add, Judy sort of hanging with it. I was the only kid that had access to the PA system elsewhere. Probably very passionate about Dr. Judy. Yeah. Dr. Judy.
Yeah, yeah, Judy. What a thing. She was our sports teacher. I can so let me say I can so yeah, yeah.
restocks did pay.
It was great. She's my four digit fact, this isn't Ostalgie. Did you have grade six?
God me, Scott. Yes, I'm
low. Sorry, Miss God was the one to tell the story that
I was riding through the school yard. And there was kids that she was teaching and looks at me and says that boys very naughty boy,
always thought you were. You were quite an extroverted kid. I remember I'll put a pretty good memory. But you're, you know, if you're an order, and if anybody was most to me, I will say that, let's
say I think I know if you're annoyed or something. Did you see boy, I know he was nice to
him. So you have
that kraid that he was naughty? I think he had some So look, I think he had some sort of
a Bart Simpson says a thing,
maybe a little bit, but I think because we had older brothers that were in the same year level. There was some sort of perspective I mean
we know this we got this
What about if you didn't have respect from Tommy jacket? What would happen? I'd be
hiding up in the tree.
They would turn as soon as he got six foot seven
days all the chubby killer promise go, would you I could imagine. Very heavy yes very heavy. My brother went to school I was at when I was in high
school. No I would have actually I remember they did this fucking tree, which was the white tree which I definitely couldn't do.
Can you climb that I put it on the on the wall and Dennis Steve chicken I wrote the top. I got said this was grade two. He was 33 kilos and I was 31 kilos, which was very everyone else was in the 20s. That is horrible. It's not ideal.
The that early days of Two and a Half Men up it was that kind of kid oh
yeah so my brother said
he did say to me that at that age because he had so much at the age of seven us shooting like a man
what would you wait did you launch orders? Did you
go to the campaign? No we had kids and they used to private school those lunch orders and sausages you put the coins in and sausage rolls and being it begins
remember the the chicken wing chicken drumsticks that were like just the shape of a drumstick. Just like fake
pizza I can't remember them
disturbing that we actually got fed that stuff. Particularly at school wouldn't wouldn't you know these days that be some rush to school and you know, protesting kids going to school because I couldn't get us a draw.
But we had a we found an old email that I sent when I was 15 with recommendations for healthier options. campaign, which one of the healthy options was a milkshake? Was there a keyring?
playing your first game of footy, running out? What was the biggest field that you paid on? What the stadium? Like you first What was it?
So my first game we play, I played in the West Coast Eagles in Perth and I played there for three seasons. And my first game was in. We played Hoffman, round two in 2013. And you know, it's literally the good thing about playing for for a team that's interstate is that literally the whole stadium 95% of the stadium is just for you. Yeah, so it's, it's a pretty cool experience. So 40,000 fans literally all going for you in terms of the biggest player in the 2015 Grand Final. So there was 100 probably 100,000 people there.
What does it do to your head? Like, I mean, it's it's probably the closest thing to a So like, what is who? Your ego? Like? Do you feel a shift in what you're thinking when you being loaded as a player on a field by
liquid depends how you apply, to be honest like I reckon, you know, you could go out there and kick kick six goals and you know touch the ball 30 times in the coming off the ground and people are telling you how good you are and it's fantastic and then you know, if you go out there have a shocker on the team loses suddenly your life Donald Trump and then no one talks you but always me and the boys club kind of had a bit of a bit of a joke that there's there's only two types of games that apply applies ones the game where you come off the ground, and you check your phone, and there's about 30 messages, Miss calls everything like that. And then now, now the game is when you come off the ground, you check your phone, crickets really bad. They're the bag games or you've lost so in terms of your ego Yeah, like he didn't Imagine you know you could definitely quite get carried away and things like that but sometimes some of the best players have got I've got a massive failure on that and that's not necessarily a bad thing but that's probably what makes them this amazing player and give them this sense of you know, power and they're out in the football field and what makes them why will they be weight because they've got such This is such strong belief in themselves to perform.
So if I wanted to build a good friendship with you would you suggest that maybe every time you lose I texts that really the way you would have cut for a ride like if it's if you can,
keyring thing into your friendship
will be true? But before if you've had an absolute shocker, and no one actually reaches out to you and says, Hey, am I
done? Maybe I won't even mention it about bro didn't say the game but how you doing? Yeah, but you did say that.
You know that I played it.
You like football When that does happen you start sort of seeing a trend right of who these people in your life that are obviously just there for the good times. Is it something you have to sort of start calling even when a friendship cow in real life
sorry friendship Calico I've been pretty lucky by To be honest, I'm kind of I think probably coming into the league a little bit later you can want to build up that kind of, you know, core friendship of you know, guys in school and then when you leave school, you kind of have your mates that that really stuck by the entire time. So I've got, you know, four or five really, really close mates that I'm still in touch with. And we've got history, you know, since we were 13 years old, but yeah, like, I'm not gonna lie. There's definitely times where you question you're like, man, are you talking to me? Because you actually locked me as a person or did you just like the fact that you know, the boys had a great win against, you know, against Calvin on the weekend? Yeah, I know if it's a cow but you just kind of aware of kind of, you know, people who Yeah, Will they talk to you? Or will they be around you if you know things aren't going so? Well,
I think friendship is a fact is an interesting one because there's like you're placing people, right? So you placing them in an acquaintance box. And there's the clients that you might trust and these acquaintance that I wouldn't trust them, but I like them. They're an acquaintance. And then there's my close mates. And so you start sort of doing that I could imagine it just becomes it. There's a bit more of that. When you're in the public eye.
It's probably hard when you get traded as well, like, yeah, you're applied in. I'm not from Perth, but I lived there for four years. It was a big, big part of my life. And, you know, you go to work every single day, and there's 45 players that you work with for four years straight. And literally, I got traded to the to the Sydney Swans and you you realise and this is not a malice thing, but you kind of realise kind of far out like, all fantastic people, really great people to hang around with but to keep in touch with 45 guys, you know, it's pretty Pretty hard. So you probably only really kind of walk away with probably maybe three or four that you really want to, like, keep in touch with him. And then the other side of that you actually might surprise yourself you actually do keep in touch with so because if you're not here to have, you know, 20 minute conversations with 45 guys every week you're not gonna have too much time job but I think staying in touch these days is it's an analogy like if someone replies to a story with like a fire with a thumbs up, you're like, have you heard from your mother? Yes,
what about being in clubs you've been in eagles, West Coast eagles and swans. The superstars of these clubs that are the poster boys of AFL you got buddy Franklin. And then even if you're looking at other clubs, Dustin Martin for Richmond. What's it like being in a club when when it has these superstars and what and and they're sort of obviously pushed out to the meteors this The marketing juggernaut behind the club. What does it feel like for the other team? This is a bunch of Sydney Swans pies. I don't, I don't know. But they're probably crucial parts of the club, but then the ones I do know, the other ones like, you know, buddy and so what does it like? Eat within the environment for the team? Yeah, like
I don't know it's like anything because you spend so much time together you don't really see the individuals like that. Like I could imagine from the outside you know, you look at look at the best players can have in any sport who are the marquee players, but when you really spend time with these people every single day and you learn so much about them and you're literally working together. Yeah, it doesn't really kind of kind of click in and as to like, No, these guys are amazing superstars. Don't get me wrong when I go out in the field and pipe it Franklin ice I'm getting the best of all my god, I can't believe you did that. Yeah, that's amazing. But But in terms of the marketing stuff, and it just comes with a tear. Tonight To be honest, yeah. You know, you might do an ad for, you know, a fantastic sponsor and shoes and hats and things like that, but because you work with them so day, every day, the playing group knows each other on a level that no one else but knowing it, yeah, you're seeing them at their highs when they're doing amazing things with their lives when they've had when they're going through a really nasty injury or the wrap up for 12 months or you see something's happening in something's happening in their personal life and it's a football clubs are a really, really good level. Yeah, yeah. You can never ever get too high and you really can't get to all about staying here. And you know, or going towards no one direction hope that kind of answers.
Well, I think it's the external my thinking behind it is, maybe there's more interest or people there's shown more love within the cloud, which which I just extrapolate from guy who's sort of possibly off club would probably get more attention within other people might be feeling left out? You know, like, well, there might be jealousy within the club. I'm just really looking for some bitchy language. But I think we're all humans, right there is you could feel jealousy over a team, it doesn't mean that it's right or that you should, it's human response to feel. So I think
naturally if you know, like, if you're kind of after the first part of my career, you know, you're playing reserves ball, which means you're playing in the seconds, and you want to break into the senior team, and there's a guy that's playing in your position, and you can get and you're looking at a guy and like, you know, what's so good about this guy? Yeah, man. Why can I break into that time? So yeah, like, we're all human in the right that you probably think, you know, you're, maybe you're dumb boy, you're trying to work out, you know, how do I get that sort of attention, but it's just the reality of a competitive sport, you know, and particularly when the team is going really, really well. Good Times are hard to break into. And I don't necessarily think it's I don't necessarily would say it's jealousy. I'd say it's just competitiveness. Yeah. You're in a sporting teams and particularly team sport, extremely competitive,
is it advantageous having a competitive nature within a club
at a mass like, like the league is So, ladies So, so tough and it's so hard to succeed? Is it adding teams wanting to wanting to compete for a Premiership flag that only 22 players comply in that time, and you got a squad of I think 4048. So it's going to be a lot of guys left out every single week. But without those kind of guys pushing, you know, those other guys to perform. Not going to be successful.
I've just got this vision that they've all just paid, paid their 60 bucks. Read 43 I guess you're 43.
So you saying the 4040 how many people in attendance 46 to 40. And so at the end of the week, how do you Know that you're on in the squad for the weekend
so I think Angela Saturday you really kind of your they select a squad of probably 20 to play let's let's let's select a squad of about 25 on Thursday and you know you're in the squad and it's like bingo
every Thursday night is what are we doing a raffle ticket this way
and so what do you do if you don't have a game? Like if you're not playing you're obviously there's a reason why there's a reserves right so you you buy see playing playing in the seconds,
really so you guys still play
live which is which is good. So
I've played plenty of reserves, what do you say your basically your job is to go back and play the case to the coaching staff and the selectors that you should be in next week. So sometimes, you know if you're if you're if you're not playing too well and then that and that if you're if you get dropped to the reserve grad might necessarily be a bad thing because you can go back, play some terrific football and play the case. Why should be back?
What's your longest run of playing ifl every weekend Not sort of having a break with reserves
are haven't probably applied a lot of reserves. Since 2007. Eight
is pretty long. It is
recommended that like do you all have a special bond? between teams and stuff? Like the rock? The Rock, man how
I go from Melbourne. How are you with Gorn
is very tall, very, very nice guy. He's actually a very, very good great football. Very good football, but hey,
hello how much you've played into the cliche but yeah, he's tall.
Yeah. Much less you can really say
that. Yeah, you cannot say after a game that Rockman usually usually get together shake your hand having a handshake in a little cuddle honour and a quick kind of shadow I get I might hate going as things and yada yada yada because because during the game, you're so you're basically so basically holding hands for two hours you can have real real combative thing and You're having a crack each other and you're trying to win but at the end of the game, I'd like to think that there's kind of this mutual respect because I think a lot of other players can lose their opponents throughout the chaos but generally genuinely with a Rockman you've got to kind of you know be accountable to one another and not let each other let each other off the leash so you have like a trick to white like a bait before you jump or is there certain things that in your head you do at the ball? I can't give you that one. Oh, yeah, you have different techniques, different poker, but you know, gold is obviously a big fella, so you got to be on the game to get around him.
Is there you want to move?
tips about three tips. I didn't also want to know what your favourite rule is. Australian rules football What is your favourite rule
favourite rule before we
came on about doing all the you know kicking in danger, which I believe is in in the middle? Is that only is that if your hands are on
You started is that because I in junior 40 that would happen every fucking two minutes. danger and devil hills. I feel like you never get that within the context of AFL. I've never seen a kicking danger thing that I've seen the kicker from the
VA so probably doesn't happen that much. It's definitely a rule
like a double dribble. Have you ever seen a double dribble in an NBA game travel? dribble? No. So double dribble being like putting both hands on the ball while best. But the other thing about NBA very quickly. Sports Talk. I'm trying to get co to sponsor a segment called sports talk rice, talk about sports.
Really? Yeah, I'll put your touch. Thank you. Well, because I emailed their marketing manager. I didn't hear anything. I finally came out twice. And they say three times as I sort of put myself in a corner because I said, Hey, I need to know by Monday and then they came.
I couldn't really follow up because there was strength, his persistence.
there but the thing with MBA is I feel like they are they're travelling all the time, but they let it go because it's sort of a decent sport. Like you know, that's it. Just a second four steps and if it looks good there okay, but your favourite role something that you like is there a quirky role that's a little bit sort of not well known within 40 trying to think I've always wanted the rule where if the ball is supposed to be getting comes back imply just just kept going on but I To be honest, one of the annoying things is that they they changed the rules every single year.
Every year they come into the club and they go they change the rules and you'll hang on. Let me hit around that one but it's
one of the latest rules What are they changing? We D
said in practice much period that Charlie Taki backwards.
He can but it's just plan on
stop the gang any
kind of things like a trial kind of things in that period, practice much period but the worst rule ever was Sub rule Do you remember that so there was a plot one player and every single time they had to wear a bead right on the ground while they're on the on the on the bench and I'll just I'll go into this for a little bit so one player had to wear a bead and that player so you have three to change guys on and off whenever they want the guy that was the beep comes on for a player that they want to take off for the rest of the game. So if you're having an absolute stinker you have absolute stinker and year you're like oh my god. Oh god, I hope that that beads around somewhere What's going on? And they've been a couple of times where I've ran to the bench just seeking him on a normal interchange. The guy that has the baby like in your head they're probably just going like on this is yours. But yeah, that he actually in your head. You think they're going hey. And then basically you're sitting there for the second half of the game in this be the way the big yeah Annoying bit and you've had an absolute shocker and you're sitting there and the camera is campster and your life yet sinkler has been submitted at the end.
You've dislocated your shoulder twice in the in the space of 20 minutes. Oh, Alice fact does that happen?
Yeah, it was not a not a great gratitude. To be honest, I literally was actually the arc It was the first 10 seconds of the game I didn't first once the ball went up came out slid and literally someone just landed on it and I looked down I just went oh my god, that's not good. And it wasn't going back in so I'm a running off running off the ground and one of the players was like,
You switched on today and
it was like came off the ground and yeah, they popped it back in and
and then what because I remember, like my shoulder clicks, and I've seen a few people dislocate their shoulders, a basketball and stuff. It freaks me out. Was it like, someone have to yank it in and Screaming
yeah like there's a lot yeah, I was kind of thought there was a real you know, medical technique to it there isn't it's pretty just it's like Harbinger they just kind of get you in a certain angle and yank it back in and because it was the start of the game I kind of felt like it's pretty important I've got to get back out in the field and I typed it up and because the adrenaline was so so high I kind of actually felt all right after it actually didn't feel too bad. Get a couple of marks and practice a few tackles downstairs and went out again and kind of when I went out I'm like, yeah, this doesn't feel great when someone but I thought Look, I'll I'll see how I go. Got through about 10 minutes and then literally just before the first quarter saw and I just went up to tap the ball and literally no one touched me and it just went
in and then
that literally stayed out for about 40 minutes. So I don't know I must have got it at an angle where just sat out I was downstairs caught a lock. This wasn't going back in and before. Yeah like the
give you the green stick order well
the doctor Tom was actually a ripping guy and a great doctor. Even he was like, it was so hard for you he was like, Cal Just give me a few minutes
and so they gave me painkillers at that point. But yeah,
it was it was so so excruciating that you wouldn't be able to because I'm pulling it and ya know what kind of damage you're doing it when they're kind of back in so
when I said Rico shoulder is that the right yeah, yeah.
Is that why you had it done?
Yeah. Because Because the joint was really really unstable. So it's not uncommon in contact sport. It was just a bit of a I think mine was quite quite a public one I think everyone quite quite sore and yeah, it was quite graphic. You can actually see the and the shot is it on my tube? I think so. I think starting the show now.
And then after that to you are you having people like he whispers of eyes are going down it and they were targeting a little facts just trying to get you
well I haven't bought I haven't actually applied again since.
But I do remember I actually do remember going out and after after I did the first one I came out because I had a typed up and like I was probably holding it a little bit kind of on that a little bit. Thing ridiculous to be honest. I did hear someone say,
Oh, hey, he showed us facts
fly off at the table.
He knew he shall
do that. Do you ever tape up both shoulders so they don't know which one
is a play that did that I can supply that did the news nine play for a time. But he actually sorry, he actually typed the other shoulder because he thought the other team would come after him and are going after the shoulder because the one that was typed so smart.
And do you in terms of mates coming to watch you play now that you and Joshua you know Be on the taste. Do you get people hitting you up those? The ones that are just the losers that didn't get the ground ground? Interesting?
I'll be stopping the kaio box.
Yeah, no, no, we definitely get get to this great angle. What are you
managing for his podcast? Under the mtj or scj? This podcast from up in somewhere I can be right. That'd be
good. I can be arrived. So at nine that yes, you do get you do get tickets and then you do get a handful of ground passes for
every player and every player.
Every player is allocated four or five per game.
We'd be sitting with your other mates if we got tickets.
were more school nights come they just bring me
like a real nice because I think couple times around the field. Normally we
wouldn't be funny if we all dressed up with those bibs.
What's up What's the brownlow? Like, as an attendee couldn't tell you
you've never been never been haven't been invited? Actually, I saw I actually I did get invited a couple of years ago, but I was it was because someone couldn't go and then they asked someone else and they couldn't go and then they said I'll do you want to go? And I just said and but my Kiki and said, No, no, I'm not invited on. So I didn't want to be known as the person that was invited. And they've asked three other people to go and then I'm the one that was like, you text me next time.
You get invited?
Why? Why are you invite the top maybe six players that will probably pull the most. So do you like I don't understand, like, complete the point like, did you have you ever gotten points? Like first?
Yeah, so I think after every game, the umpires will, will select kind of was like three applies with I think we're the best on ground three being the best part. mentoring one, and then every dangus that and yeah, the theory of math is that the person with the highest amount of votes is the best player.
But no never never invited. Unfortunately,
at your podcast conversations with cow I think there's such a great idea that getting an insight into players like because there's people that would just love to understand what's happening internally. I think about movies movie stars, doing them taking like taking the guy doing an extended like it's an extension of how the movie as imagine that with Liam Neeson like imagine hearing a podcast of the extension of the movie, and I think it's like sporting players on the linkage. People that people love imagine that like I think the the 45
which will be taken like the
seventh. I actually I went My point being magine characters within a movie, start their own podcast, but draws the character from
think who's doing that there is a
Ron Burgundy anchorman. Yeah, ain't gonna man. But I think there's better ones as well. But I see the link is people who love sports stars. Within sporting environments, you're on the same plan the weekend, but you want to hear more. And I think your podcast is a great example of being able to get an insight into the club, and hearing the stories.
But it is true, I think, a lot of the lesson to be learned, that's probably one of the angles that I actually really, really enjoy and isn't it and even for a player, you can actually get really, really caught up in thinking that you actually know your teammates. And but, you know, I sat down with a lira. Leah is a good friend of mine and he was born in South Sudan, led to Kenya and then started his life growing up in a refugee camp before relocating to to Australia when he was six years old. But I knew that I knew that but when I actually got the opportunity to sit down with him, you know, in a in a setting like this, and he actually talks to me about what a Actually, he's locked up in a refugee camp. And he talks about the struggles that he had. Growing up, he fled to Newcastle coming to a private school, being the only the only black guy at a private school in Newcastle not speaking English, not able to communicate with everyone. You know, I see it literally every day. And yes, I knew he was from a different background, but actually didn't know actually too much about it. And that's the theory. And that's basically why it's great to have the podcast and even guys like, here and jack, who I've had a chat with Dan Menzel, actually all she find, actually, when I come on the actually, people genuinely do actually give a little bit and actually quite locked to share a little bit more about their life a little bit more than just, you know, kicks marks and handles. Well, we're not one dimension. I
think everyone on the field has a story. And you know, they've all had a childhood and
it's the format to a podcasting. People know, that sort of posture of doing that. Even the versus going and being on a radio show which could be completely different and you know
it's hard though I found actually should be honest doing a podcast I think when I first you know did it for the footy club I was like oh yeah like having a chat in a microphone and like you know I enjoy talking shit like this is gonna be pretty actually easy and then you you start you know I kind of went into the first one got ya got some questions and you know thinking that you know this is going to be really really easy and quite enjoyable and that actually realised actually a bit of an art to it and actually quite quite quite hard and I listened back to the first one I just turned it off back to me. I cannot stand that guy chatting. That is not Mayor they've done something else but but to actually make things kind of sound smooth and there's a bit of a rhythm to it. And I do find it hard during a one on one off. You guys can do it too. And you can. One of us is having a bad day. Yeah, you can help each other out. That I think one on one with someone I kind of all the pressure kind of comes in that person. And to make sure that it's quite there's all going smoothly but yeah, our body heart. You guys might find it easier actually found it really difficult.
No, I think the one on one thing is is the hard bit like if you would just have it if we if I just had a guest coming in each day, there's a lot more that needs to go into it. We can riff off each other. Does that make you nervous? Doing something like the podcast,
I was honestly fine with it and thought it was all really it was all going to be a great thing right up until we actually put the mark in front and I got one of my mates who did the very first one day and I'm sitting there and I'm going oh my god, like a head sweaty. I chat to you every single day. Why is this in these making me so weird, like about having a chat, but actually, I have to ask him, you know, not not the personal stuff, but just get his views on stuff and you know, not being that you know, jovial surface chat that happens generally at a footy club but the palms are sweaty, the hell out
I think it's when anyone says that I talked to on the panel you know, like I love having chats it's it is it's a different muscle it's not it's it's a it's a manufactured environment to have a conversation and so that needs to be built on what about running out in the field you get nervous. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, I understand. I think
vomit or anything you know you people that vomit before every game
some boys do like we had a few players that genuinely kind of like choose to kind of like you know some guys honestly like I find it really really frustrating when I see the guys that can kind of sit around and they just like laughing around joking and had a chat and I'm a girl go get me boots on and go out there and run and oh god play amazing. Who semi fully a lot of people know. I'd be to Andrew gaff and West Coast and he would just like the most relaxed guy pregame and I use and he's an awesome football and I think he'd be it'd be definitely in their top. Top three or four players now and he's just most relaxed guy pregame and he's sitting there chilling. I'm not sure what the body be locked now but I used to just be so must have made me angry
I'll be I'll be locking I got to get your swag gonna do that is good
and that your shoes on for half
and checking the licence and then there's you know other guys that kind of you know get around over and go man you switched
yeah I think you got I didn't you got
that's them projecting
scared You are the guys that meditate Do they have a process every week they go through they like to meditate some guys pump the change in their in their is
is anyone ever used a speaker or is there ever been any sort of befo is where people are playing loud music? Well there's like a section in the warm up area where everyone kind of plays and there's like a playlist and picks the playlist
all sound China Josh Elliott lovely guy, but
he just lock it becomes grando and the next song will be Jim on Ocean Drive. Yeah and you just know that it's gonna come on but but yet and there's a kind of a section that if you want the loud music that kind of all happens but I have had him why why would all just be kind of sitting there and having general conversations but everyone's kind of got their own
got your microphone and headphones
have you ever been hunted down by bt after you Josh this is the guy that you lie yeah yeah just roll for seven eight minutes of just live feed the commentary walking around or I'm just gonna grab this guy met
him or have
been a hot being caught up by him once before but I haven't got like a funny story or something that he's done to me like I don't know him no no he kind of goes or how you think and I'm like yeah good need to take the mic away. Anyway so that night I think he he generally likes to hunt down the the greatest night because that's that's what everyone did. Everyone was listened to it.
footy players media trained Is that a thing?
I think so. I think when you first come in I remember our first time in to West Coast they took us out to CHANNEL SEVEN for the day. And we just intend to try and like I don't we don't go don't go to what I didn't know and put me in a course and you sit there and this is how you do this and that but I'm again taken to a channel seven
get a photo in the newsroom sort of thing. Yeah, seriously.
simplice just showed us a couple of funny things on the thing and then in front of the weather map. Now you may be trying.
Um, but no, to be honest, not really. Not really. When I think about it, I think you just kind of, say all the other cliche lawns and hopefully no one
What's your favourite cliche line?
match report. I remember like Matt. Why did why did we start saying it was giving props or something? We're doing a match. Yes. Bye great game now 167 47 945 you know, Mr. 97 degrade on the ball?
I think if you played a really good game they got all the commentators come in and they'll be like on that you you played a super game today you just felt like you were everywhere and then the first thing you do is go oh yeah the team required to help me out
I'll be seeing you savage today on the
show the like American some of the American footy would get right into this.
Yeah, wouldn't it if it wasn't for me the
watch the NBA draft and someone Someone got drafted and mid lock? What are you going to? What are you going to bring to this team and I you know, Australia the windy get drafted to stand up long is all just want to know and the respect of the teammates and all that and this, this American guy will be my seventh law. I'm going to bring motivation
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring SAS, you know.
But yeah, I think we're getting a little bit bored because everyone's boring because I think everyone's scared of the backlash that might happen if you pump yourself up too much.
Is it fair to say you're good at accents? You could.
Irish accent. Yes. That was any American mom was quite good
at drama school was quite a job found really, really interesting. And then I had to
drama and theatre studies or just drama, theatre studies. Did you do a monologue? I did? Yeah.
Is in my, like, football sport. And that was the most daunting experience of my life. Really walk me up to this place in moorabbin. For my year 12 you had a written exam. You also had the monologue turning up at the moorabbin Town Hall. I think
I went for
four judges I've never ever seen before. And I honestly recommend that half I did my monologue. And I said, thank you so much closet organelle when
I look back on Yeah, I don't
remember what it was, is this trillion is destroying the Australian
pace. I think. All I know is
that I did the monologue doing now. I
honestly cannot remember it, but I do remember. I had a shopping trolley and I dressed up like a bloody woman. But yeah, I hadn't met Nicole conovan like I did in your 12 but I kind of had this inkling that because I was a real sport heavy school, that the theatre. The theatre department of our school can add a little bit of a chip on their shoulder about you know, people doing sport Yeah. Anyway, so I kind of
gave me in my ear. I'm gonna vent again in my year. 12 production all Thought audio fantastic
thought did a really good job. And what was the production?
It was like an Elizabeth and paste but it's like a comedy. Seven the two masters Yeah, I kind of who it was by anyway and then all was called like a comedy Condor for all and I gotta say, and I was completely filthy and invite Mr. yokka. March is his name once gave me that mark. But
next question. Yeah,
now I feel I mean, do you have because Tommy doesn't necessarily looked at fundly at his school memories. May I think I I wasn't very good at school, but I did every single extra curricular activity and had a lot of sort of friendships with teachers and we'd stuff what way did school fit for you?
Great trial. Yeah, a really good trial trial. I thought I thought I'd Really
all got a little bit similar yourself was always kind of proud of myself and having good relationships with teachers and and things like that are probably the SRC
what's that student representative council
not not didn't know what it was called this this student council but not didn't get to get a gig in that but yeah, I'd say that I enjoyed the lighter parts of school didn't really enjoy the middle parts but definitely wasn't a I'll just average night I definitely wasn't a Rhodes Scholar or public good at talking my way out of things as you probably can say
that Yeah, I don't know
at all now life after fully knowing if you yet but you do within the club, are they helping you make investments they're helping you understand what what life could be like after?
Yeah, I think there's a common culture now that it's pretty good where they preach pretty hard and try and get the boys to be pretty engaged outside of the sport, you know, when you apply AFL football or kind of any professional sport, you kind of feel like you're in this bubble. And, you know, at times, you know, you might think you're a bit more important than what you actually are. And, yeah, it'll definitely my philosophy on it is, is that you're only in this career. You're only in this career short amount of time, and then you're a long time retired. Yeah, you gotta have a real backup plan. So, you know, you know, what it's like is you've kind of come from school, and you're 18. And you've played for 12 years, 12 years straight. And they say that, you know, you finish around 3130. So, you don't really know too much of the outside world if you've done that for that long. So, you know, yes, a lot of the alarm. We're in a privileged position where you get paid pay quite decent, you get access to a lot of terrific opportunities. How does pay work, by the way monthly, okay. Everyone has has, has a different contract,
and so the whole draft thing,
so you'll pay when you drafted he's a I'm like set for two years already so why can't I'm on the side and there's an ego so do you need then like a player manager? Yeah, you have a player manager and majority of their job is to negotiate your contract whenever you come out of contract.
Yeah. And so the offseason with all your Rico and all that sort of thing did that mean that you were did you have to do you on like a light duties or something during that time or
not really excited? Like, I had eight games to get one of those eight games remaining for the rest of the year. What month would so what does that say? July? Yeah, July eight games remaining. So basically, I shut up shot really the right way. So then when the boys went on a 12 week, which holiday which the, which they're entitled to because they're absolutely knackered by the end of the season. I kind of
hung around in the offseason had to kind of get my shoulder right for the for the preseason, but just bad is that what does that do? What does that do to you mentally in regards to like all the mighty going after schoolies and your Done. metaphor.
Yeah, it can be, can be hard because you what's what it's what the cost is the cost you don't like, I'll think I'm got a pretty good head spot to that kind of stuff. It's like, Look, it's what you're paid to do. Like, it's my job, but that's, you know, you've got an obligation to, to the club to get back in, you know, in a certain condition to be able to perform the next year. If you don't do it, you'll just get found out and you'll probably end up going to, you know, the clubs these days, it's such a science, you know, getting players to optimal performance physically, that if you don't come back in the required condition and ready to go for the preseason, you're just going to be left behind because it's just so competitive spots. That kind of back to your comment around kind of the, you know, post football kind of stuff like, you know, we've got a applies association which is essentially just Union for all players that represent us to the league. And awesome thing I do is that they'll pay for uni. If you want to go to uni, that all you gotta do, all you gotta do is is literally enrol in the course. pass the exam even restate and I'll actually pay for it so it's pretty it's another because Did you say that you went to uni? Yeah but I went to uni and finished uni before I got drafted did the crack Yeah, still there surely just send them the hex recite Yeah. Trust me. Yes, a lot of the a lot of the boys do that kind of stuff, then you got a lot of people that actually, you know, because you know, foul play I'd actually find you interesting and they're prepared actually help you if you know if you're prepared to kind of, you know, managing relationships with people and stuff like that. So, I mean, yeah, pretty cool experience.
Yeah, if you can build a solid network, and then you're interested goes in some direction like look at Nick stone Yeah. From blue stone live in the states like successful footy player and then goes on to do something else and so
it's a different kettle of fish that guy like he didn't really have a successful ifl career but you know he should
play it if it lets
probably for his dad is like he would have loved to have obviously no i you're actually you're right I probably should actually is a little bit harsh but he actually has done something you know pretty impressive he took a big big gamble to do it and did and particularly he did it's actually bloody impressive but you used to not have to that didn't quite think the Players Association A long time ago you could just I just go around the course and I go here you go. So the guys would file may have already paid me for I've already spent the money so yeah, but now you actually have to prove that you pass the course and then they'll reimburse you get it
so I used to give you
know, if subject. thousand bucks I'll go Yeah, I've enrolled Yep, hold paint. back. But if you just keep failing, just keep getting 1000 bucks
the the offseason for you. So right now like when is the critical time that you need to be 100%.
So I was back at training on the we officially start on the 19th of November and then we had a five week training block, which we just finished yesterday. And the plan was to get back to full contact training on by the lot by the last week before the Christmas break. And yeah, I met that target but but the cool thing was was before before that for four weeks, I actually fully trained with the time because it was about, you know, I had no weeks post surgery, which is kind of when you finish up but they gave me a floral yellow hat and a big
They gave me a fluoro yellow hat. And basically what that means is I can do every single thing that everyone else is doing. But no one's let it touch me.
I'm crying. So I guess medics when you go to nephew go to the Great Barrier Reef and you're snorkelling you have if you have asthma, they'll put a little pink ribbon on your snorkel.
Speaking of asthma with a small group in Sydney was horrendous. Oh, yes,
that affected training.
Yesterday was like, last session like you couldn't even see like a holidays in front of you.
The thing someone said is like smoking a pack of
polka dots and you're going to be gasping like you're running around. Yeah, that might be some stocking.
anyone smoke any footy players smoke you loud to
see you. It's not illegal. But not that often. Not at all. Not no one in our group would would smoke about
would say that. This is pretty funny thing to actually say a blog just walking on the street having a dream. You know,
it's like vibe.
Gila not good or you think it's like the shisha yeah that's a different
thing Do not not know what vaping in that
it was like a cigarette stuff so you know when you see someone like blow this huge plume
smells like fucking fairy fairy some kind of bury my like a dude people like hold like a like a square
like yeah yeah like a square thing yeah
yeah that's that's it so like it it's electronic and it like you press the button on the sign and it vaporises this liquid that has nicotine infused within it
doesn't have to have nicotine in
it yeah a lot of them do you wouldn't your massive try hard if you have it without nicotine yeah cuz Why else would you have it
so but is it the same as not like the taste of
the I think you'd be try had the thing is that people try and go Okay, well I quit smoking and I and my diction needs to be met from the nicotine because that's all they do. addicted to and so then they they vaped the nicotine thing you can buy them in Australia that you know let us sell nicotine infuse but everyone in
this it's true your patches and that was an old school, that's old school but then there's
this vague thing is like and also john Safran came on our show the other day and he's writing a whole book on this whole thing and it's like, it's a huge industry, but a bunch of people got sick because there was something in the liquid and it was getting into their lungs. I think that shit probably it's good just to avoid Yeah, I mean,
yeah, we'll probably that help with medicinal marijuana or something well,
so they putting marijuana into the vapour. So over in the states like la you can just buy little vapours, things anyway, you know, I don't know.
If you've watched our video yet, we did a two hour GMI video where we had gummies in LA and then filmed the whole thing.
yeah now well actually I am I didn't feel it and then but these guys do but you can be the judge
Yeah, she was I told her
before and I facetimes yeah
but I haven't had a drink all year so I'm really I haven't had any substance drink
I'm not a massive drinker night but someone asked me out for a drink or or beer Jaco go along but I'm definitely the person is going to be a lot of
theatre studies and I mean that's one thing having footy players on the show my my arms are killing me so when you're when you're when the season starts, is everything off limits like can you even like so if you had a game on a Sunday? Is that there on Sundays yet? On a Sunday or Saturday? Whatever product is at the footy oval? Yeah. Can you then like the next day be like Guys, I gotta go. I'm on the daily talk show, or is it? Is this the only time to really get you on? Um, no luck? I think so post game can we get your poker? We can get you post game, or could we do
that that'd be good financial Yeah.
But ya know, depends if the beam kemetic
we spoke about before this could go back to that category where the Uber picks me up if I play well. Definitely. Enjoy.
Right, did they? Next year will you guys be playing like when you're in Melbourne? Is it March? Is it Marvel now? That well that's called wyldstyle Stadium. And there's MC J's, is it just completely random where you end up or what do you mean? bit so like when it comes to
next job so yeah, like
yeah, so we'll be able to suss it out.
Yeah. So we don't just come to Melbourne and like, oh, is there a gravity?
Yeah, I live in Adelaide. And then I think we, I think we come here for calcium, which is like sushi every second week. We're in Sydney and our home ground. So usually, usually the theory is with a fixture, you play one away one at home, one a white one at home. So we travel literally every second week. So I think we'll go to probably seven to eight games in Melbourne next year. So
I can swans could be my tent. Like I when I was a kid. I know this is quite controversial sort of moving between teams. When I was a kid. I was in essence and supporter and then my mates James had died. Yeah. Number five. Matthew Lloyd, yeah, that might be there. But then there was news it was
That's actually part of his routine. He used to actually pick it up. I'm
actually part of his lot meant to retire like you play at Mobile stadium.
But then there was, yeah, but then I moved to the st. St. Kilda when my mates dad had medallion club access, I went to like three since I thought if I can buy it, but then the last time that I leaned in to picking a team was Sydney Swans, my mate Byron cook does a bunch with the swans and he got had access like tickets, tickets and so the great thing is whatever seats we had they had the the screen and show Yeah,
yeah, that was a thing at Marvel. Yeah,
yes, but my favourite joke is if you see someone with like the the radio listening is turning teammates. I hope they don't spoil the game.
Because obviously everyone does that now. Anyway, welcome to the footy now and I don't even like watch it. I just literally get the phone out and actually watch it on the on the on the app.
I've been in the boring at the MCC at the MCG just drinking and we didn't even go out. All right, can we went out once you just have a look and then we went back in and drank and watch the TV,
like the Melbourne Cup or something. But there's such a good atmosphere the footy just feels great. Good. We watched we went
took deal who raised their first AFL match. He's Canadian. I can love that. Richmond, Richmond plage food. What do we get? donuts and pies and speaking of atmosphere,
I'll tell you who does it the best in sport is the darts. Have you seen the data by using the data for now Do yourself a favour after this go on YouTube and type in darts fans, whatever they've done that that sport, the marketing of that sport, they are selling out stadiums
co has dots
realising like they are selling out stadiums and people have bought the it's an English The UK very, very good at turning sports that are quite slow like saga, and there's amazing atmosphere. But if you go to the dots and you type in like World Series of dots, they've got a whole stadium literally the whole stadium, they'll come in like fancy dress. And they just like, you know, the professional darts players are just, you know, Roger down at your local pub who can, you know, hit the occasional balls or that they've turned those people into like, rock stars now and they have like walking music and they've got the beautiful girl next to them. They're like escort on on stage. And, you know, they've got theme music and all this stuff like, yeah, honestly, I'm actually surprised you guys have to sign up.
You should get a dart board here. I didn't want be sick. Like we could even do it as sort of like a guest thing. We'll have a dot thing with the guests as a final thing. has to do a bit radio, but we can't do that
with guests. Yeah.
That's how and then we can have. We can have the dartboard and then Maybe we have a tally board. But what about we can have different questions or different things that you have to do depending on where you land. And then we just turned it over.
Okay, the question for you guys. Yeah. All right.
Question. So you guys doing 10 years of this thing? Yeah. Have you ever given much thought into? What would happen if both of you got, like an incredible opportunity? You know, I'll say together somewhere else in a podcast, the format that you just couldn't turn down, would you? If
you, yeah, I mean, yeah, we're in the business of like picking ourselves, which one of the things that like you look at all the networks, so there's a bunch of podcast networks like podcast one and things like that. They don't play necessarily to the strengths of you just have to talk to anyone who's in the network. And I'll talk about like this slight limitations or I can't talk about this or I can't do this. If it were On our terms and if there was like if it was a win win if we thought it was going to be great for them, it was gonna be great for our audience. It was going to be great for us. Then that is the daily talk show. At the end of the day, if it was, hey, we want you guys to do something else. That's not what you do.
I think the radio thing is probably the furthest thing that we would do
because it says it says that he was looking for a radio gig it's like now we're doing this instead of right like this is then then you
What if money talks now I think I've been in it and I know how painful it can be
shipping and was paying you 55 grand.
I know. Even this show. You would have it would have to be a lot to even then start entertaining. That idea. is like 100 grand we could you could easily get 100 grand in your corporate job
even if it was like it was like even if you're looking at like the breakfast show hosts they're getting 800,000 or whatever the I think that what we are building We know that even for like the next three years, it could just be like a decent sort of, you know, paying ourselves 60 grand a year type of deal. But then the reward after that in regards to cloud, just based on audience size and just the amount of people that we've connected with, like,
we're building for the future, and we feel like a sidestep would be radio, which isn't for the future.
Yeah, yeah. And it's also the other thing about you got your offering. What do you think what's the true? Yeah, yeah, definitely. what's the what's the big boys bag?
what's the video of this one, guys? what's the what's the opposite perspective of the What will you do from from being sort of an outside person active, to be honest, I look at this stuff you guys have done.
Like I said before I actually found it because I found Tommy kind of actually, you know, being a bit of a creep on you like, Oh no, this guy's got a following him what he actually was doing but similar ages, you know, I kind of can relate to a lot of the kind of experiences that both of you are going through you talk about your partner a fair bit funny. And you talk about kind of you're in that early stage of starting your family and things like that which I kind of find, you know, something that I can kind of relate to in the regard of the family stuff, just relax my partner. But yeah, but for someone my age, I can kind of relate to know what you guys are doing. I enjoyed the consistency of it.
But I can imagine
it's kind of like playing professional sport in a way and I always thought about this the other day that I'm kind of want to talk to you guys a bit about it is when you devote so hard to something just like you guys are doing with this project that you're on is that and like me I'm playing professional football and gonna make a lot of sacrifices you have to say no a lot to people and you and you guys every day yeah it's every day so I can imagine there's a lot of things you have to sacrifice and actually say no to does that resonate with
you say no enough and they stop asking you say like you've got you dialled in routine, and it just becomes what you do. And so when it becomes what you do, it makes it easier, sort of for that consistent for consistency and being in the bubble, right? It's like you're around people that are also loving and doing what you do. And so we surround ourselves with a bunch of people that are in media or creating content or storyteller filmmaking, that space so it so yeah, it becomes that sort of bubble, which allows you to sort of live it from the outside up. My admiration is more around the fact that you're prepared to actually forecast what you want to do for the next decade. Yeah, and commit to it.
Yeah, that's a phone call they're born on,
I think it's like maybe the missing piece a lot of times with what we've done previously. So I think like you've, if this was our first thing that we'd ever had a crack at, and we're like, 10 years, it would be a little bit more delusional than what it is now. Whereas the the fact that we've had so many things, and most of the things that haven't worked out, haven't worked out just because we've given up and so I think that that's part of it, too, which is like, we don't know what the daily talk show will be in regards to, you know, will, will all cars become smarter because everyone will have a SIM card with a smart speaker in their car. And so they'll just be listening to streaming stuff. Will Spotify push Apple to be more competitive in regards to how they show their podcasts and what they do? Will they be better integration with music and with spoken word Word and who's going to be servicing that content. Not only that, but who is going to be servicing it for an Australian audience. And so I think you put all those things together. And then you look at like a radio network, you look at like Southern Cross on stereo, or you look at the novas, or the IR ends, and you think about how much money it costs to do what they do. It feels like a bit of a no brainer in regards to if we all we have to do is to stay on. And then it all work out. It's like, the 10 years. We know that we're going to do it for 10 years, but there's actually a heaps of shit that we haven't said. Like we don't not like what the daily talk show could be. Could be an ensemble show with multiple Bronx on it every single day. We could have, we could be doing a show from different parts of the world. We could have a London, a Toronto, you know, the daily talk show from those places individually. Individuals represent actual old motion graphics. If you have a look at it. Up until like 50 episodes ago
had in Beverly Hills and How nice
is that? Hey, you know just cuz I've mentioned you mentioned the free club.
You know, like, Do you know your junior footy club song? Do you remember you
are always a like a ifl song ripped off. Omen blues was just
gonna be open I'll stop mine it might trigger you to leave. Here we go because we haven't done this before jokes most of you we are the goals the greatest team of all is tough and we're always on the ball all our opponent shakin fear. As soon as the team I pitch till the final battle we give them how Dabba hills. Yeah.
My mom was
swans the first line of the swans What is that? achoo, the red and the white. I know the name by Dan, but not
I know what you're doing
rolls around all the singing and stuff like that. I guess 20 2019 two people get more around like the anthem or things like like what's the what's the deal with stuff
now? It's just a given you just go in there we have a Kenny, you might have seen on CHANNEL SEVEN with the old guard. Yeah, I'm saying and it's right. Yeah. Yeah.
And then he sits in there and yet no, it's just a given a Cisco. It's a traditional thing now, so
we made it we need our own song.
I'm excited though that when you in Melbourne next and you're coming off the back of the game, we can have everything set up. We can have oranges,
what do you got more pool at the scj or mcg? I mean, yes. Really.
If we were to do a podcast undergrad like I said, we come to the scj
or I can I could I could definitely help you out the scj
in terms of the CJ maybe 5050. Yes, yeah. Pending if you play well.
Should we just get by without mics? Forget a few the boys and I'm sure that Yeah, tell a few stories. That should be because all I was asking from K was a free subscription. And I'd mentioned them every sports segment nine days
and Kelly Mills.
One of our players is one of the poster boys. Okay. Yeah, that's a linking to work.
Okay, seven key write that down. Alright, great. Thanks, cow. It's been great having you on now. We enjoy I feel like they can sometimes be the cliche of sports people don't like have a personality but I think you're a great example of one that has one
actually, really good
Thanks for the daily talk show. Hi the daily talk show.com What's your problem? 97 that's the guy that was like a little bit stoic a little bit serious a little bit. Fucking theatre studies.
I can see.
It's like it's it's got you've got a personality.
As and also, we're doing this thing where we're talking about mail and sending cash in the mail, and we want to test it out. So we've told anyone to send us any form of currency to our P o box. Just want to see if it gets to us. So P o. Box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 3067. Any currency could be US dollars, which we like
where we put the money
Right? We're not a fucking social enterprise that will do something great. We might you know what dots are? Yeah, we buy a packet of dots. It's a crowd
funded dot board. I love that idea.
Yeah. All right. All right. See you guys have a good one. Bye