#932 – Unwinding/
- December 3, 2020
We chat about unwinding, guessing Josh’s heart rate, rhyming games, talking to new people and feeling tired.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
- Guess Josh’s heart rate
- Rhyming games
- Talking to new people
- Feeling tired
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Josh Janssen: [00:00:00] It's the daily
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:04] talk
Josh Janssen: [00:00:05] show episode 932.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:08] Happy Thursday. Hey everybody. Fuck. This week is flying by. It is, feels like midnight feels like midnight. I'm ready to party.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:18] Don't you think like the seasons of Melbourne, you know, four seasons, four seasons in a day? I feel like at the moment I can have four. Seasons of emotions in a day.
I can go from, fuck shit. Start to the day, then absolutely fired up to being absolutely exhausted.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:37] Oh yeah. Yeah. Every gamut of emotion. It's um, it is the human experience. My friend. What, what else do you have? Is there, has there ever been a day that you've. You've just had one, one emotion. I don't think it can happen because the littlest thing could shift it.
A bad burrito could absolutely shut you off or it could change your life. And so action comes reaction. You know, um, just, I want to reel off a female Craig hopper quotes, um, physiology changes, psychology. So there's actually no way of getting around it. Even the Yogi, even some meditation monk who's sitting in the Himalayas is experiencing.
Different emotions based on you can shift your whole state by thinking, like, think about, um, becoming sexual, you think about something sexual, it changes your state, or you think about getting in a fight. Like I remember going to sleep when I was younger and I was willing to fighting loved it, uh, martial arts, but I was always thinking about like a straight fight, what would happen sometimes it would get me.
So fired up, my heart rate was going because I was imagining a scenario. And then I was like, that's not good. But then I would, I started to imagine other scenarios that weren't relating to, you know, things that would get my heart rate going, but it would, it would just get, I couldn't sleep then. So it's like more thought is not the key, but thought will change how you change your state to some degree.
Do you wanna play a game? Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:02:19] what does that mean? What were you gonna say?
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:21] It was a game that buddy and I are playing every morning, but do you want
Josh Janssen: [00:02:24] to go yoga? I go by my game first. Guess Joshua's heart rate,
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:30] right? This moment,
Josh Janssen: [00:02:31] this moment.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:32] Oh, I reckon it's sitting at like 88.0, I died. It is
Josh Janssen: [00:02:40] eight minutes ago.
It was 74.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:43] Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:44] It's measuring right now. It's 67 right now.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:47] You were sleep. Are you what's going on?
Josh Janssen: [00:02:51] What do you reckon yours is? I mean, you can't like, it's a, it's a flat socket, an Apple watch. I mean, you have to count it out, which I don't want you to have to
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:01] do. Resting heart rate is, uh, is normal between 60 to a hundred beats per minute, man, if you're resting it over 90, Yeah, something's going on?
Yeah, that's good. I think that's good. Can you check how, how low what's gone?
Josh Janssen: [00:03:16] Oh yeah. Yeah. Maybe
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:17] I'll be interesting to know during your sleep. I mean, you were out drinking the other night. I wonder if you were fine. I mean, you weren't out drinking. You went out for dinner and had a drink.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:28] My indoor, sorry, my resting resting, right.
That's 66. Um, Yes. A resting rate is 66 today. Yeah. Um, and my walking average is a hundred. That's good. I do with my indoor cycling. My beats per minute. Average was one 38. The highest it got to was one 71.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:55] Yep. Sorry, I didn't know
Josh Janssen: [00:03:58] mine. I don't understand what this means. Recovery minus one beats per minute after one minute and minus 21 beats per minute after two weeks.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:08] Yeah. I don't understand that either. Um,
Josh Janssen: [00:04:11] what do you do to unwind? What do you do like in the evenings to unwind
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:16] God, it depends what state you're in, because if your, you know, if you, if you were. In a overly thought formulated, overly stimulated, mind mood. I don't think necessarily, you know, one thing I do one night it's gonna work.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:37] Well, what's your evening habits like
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:39] what's happening. I'll tell you what I mean. Amy's Amy's, I'm Ben going to bed quite early. She's pretty tuckered out. And I, uh, have been enjoying watching what I've want. Oh, I mean, over the weekend, I was just watching John wick. Number one again, for the 17th time,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:02] Amazon prime.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:04] Got Amazon prime. I'll tell you what, another thing? Uh, very, very good. And you won't like it? I didn't think I would like it. The Mandalorian, the Mandalorian. Do you know what it is? No.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:18] Neither was star Wars.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:19] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Wasn't a fan of star Wars, but to be honest, I, I don't mind star Wars now. I just watched a bit over the weekend.
Bodie wanted to watch it. It's weird, but bodies' intent.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:32] Does Bodie ever know about it?
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:35] It's costumes, clothes. Um, uh, Oh, she's it's all scent. Like they it's all Disney now. So it's like. They are churning out the merge, but he's onto it. So the Mandalorian is set beyond, so it's after star Wars and the graphics, the direction that the directors, the writing it's fucking next level.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:04] Like it's on Netflix.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:05] No, no, no. It's on Disney. Okay. Yeah. And so there were at least one a week, every Saturday or every Friday night. And it's nice because it's, I mean, some parents wouldn't let their three and a half year olds watch it, but we do and he loves it. I reckon he loves it more than me to be honest, but I'm just, it's one of those things you watch and you're like, But they've absolutely nailed this.
They've got all the old transitions that they used in star Wars, like real corny, tacky, like open, you know, like circles opening up to a new scene and just like it's, it's all a homage. I mean, George Lucas helped in the making, like he's on set for a bunch of it. There's a great doco behind the scenes with a John Favaro who also wrote and directed and.
Starting maybe just directed, but, um, iron man he's written a bunch of Marvel stuff. And he's one of the creators of it along with I'm sure George Lucas was a part of it, but he's phenomenal. And he sits down around this table. And what they've done for the whole season is I've done two seasons. They get, um, five directors.
I think it is. So there's a New Zealand guy who's done like all the Thor films. And then you've got a woman who is an actor and also director. She was in black mirror. Um, done it. And what they do is they rotate between the directors and each one of them has a story of their connection to star Wars and how much they love it or whatever it is.
And so they've just nailed it. It's phenomenal. It's it's really good.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:40] I've never watched star Wars. Um, and I feel like, uh, it's that thing of I've mentioned it before it's been hyped so much. It's very hard to meet the expectation.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:53] So he I've found the hack. Total lack of respect. I had the star Wars. It's a weird thing.
When you don't respect something that everybody like is so much fanfare, fanfare over. Isn't that weird? Like, so you like, you're either a real basic and you can't get your head around it or it's the other way around. But, um, watching a Mandalorian being into that. And then I'm actually now more curious and respectful of star Wars.
It's a weird thing because it's JJ, you'd like Mandalorian based on just understanding how the camera stuff's going. It's, it's like you can't fault it other than when they just it's like even space. And it's a black background, there's a, some sort of planes zooming past, but I mean, there's a lot of history to star Wars that.
You start respecting like the scenes where they filmed and it was all miniature, but they shot it and it was, Oh, and it looks. It looks phenomenal. Like it looks real life, but it's shot all these
Josh Janssen: [00:08:54] lens tricks and stuff
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:55] and tricks and yeah, it's very, very cool. But that's what I've been doing to relax a little bit.
Um, there's something about just what, what I want, you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:09:05] how long does it go for.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:07] Oh, Mandalorian's an hour, but you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:09:09] I've been turning it on at one time, nine o'clock or what?
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:12] Oh, for that. Not as much by myself, but for the John wick. Yeah. Starting at eight 45.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:19] What time are you going to bed?
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:21] Oh, I've gone to bed some nights 11, just got through a few, got through a few, you know, back to Jason Bourne, just eating
Josh Janssen: [00:09:27] while you, while you watching
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:29] now.
Cause I'm being lean, being lean, maybe a icy pole. Sugar-free I suppose there'd be no nasties nasties, but um, I'll tell you the game and we'll get back to how you unwind, but for Bodie and I, and Amy it's, uh, we're big on rhyming at the moment. And so we go, you know, yeah. He loves it. He says water bat, bottle throw, you know, throttle.
I mean, that's fine. That's
Josh Janssen: [00:09:56] good. I know that there's actually a website. So I was trying to find it was using a word incorrectly today. And Jess was laughing at me. It was pissing me off. I w actually, if anyone can help me, the word is what I'm trying to describe. Ease. Let's do the posts, like rather than posting everything at once.
Let's break it up and the word that I use, that's where I said let's stagnate. And she laughed at me. So stagnate, I think makes the stop.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:31] What's
Josh Janssen: [00:10:31] the definition of stagnate,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:32] cease to flow or move become stagnant. So stagnant, stagnate start, stop, start. Stop.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:40] Is that what you're saying?
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:42] it says saying to
Josh Janssen: [00:10:43] stop,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:44] uh, cease to flow or move become stagnant, cease, developing, become inactive or
Josh Janssen: [00:10:52] so it's not stagnant, but you said the exact same word.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:55] Yeah. Yeah. That's what I thought.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:56] And so I went on to, I was trying to work out what it was and there was a site. So I started off with the Saurus and so I was like breakup and then looking at all the words and clicking through, couldn't find it there. And then I found a site that deed it's a rhyming site.
So I put in stagnate. And then I found all these other words, breast plate, magnate, magnate. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:20] Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:22] So anyway,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:23] well that's good. I mean, Hey, what about orange? That's what I always throw at birdie. See if he can get that one back. Cause it was always the, you can't rhyme anything with orange.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:31] Yeah. There is a word.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:34] That bro. It's I reckon it's literally the first thing you type in when you say what wrong with not blood orange, blue, orange, Lauren. Um, hang on. What, what rhymes with orange blue. Orange. And it's like something, um, some what rhymes. It sounds like a downward that you've just made up like Bodhi does. Um, half the time he's making up shit, uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:12:00] is a good game though.
Good way of building up your vocab.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:03] Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. And then we said to him, buddy, what rhymes? Because he's obsessed with pu we said, what rhymes with Pooh? And he said, shit
Josh Janssen: [00:12:17] sure would have also been acceptable. Shit, shit, shit. He was very clever. So you're doing this. So it's a formal game that you play. Every day
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:31] we've been doing it in the mornings. He runs in, jumps on the bed and then we start, but I got into it in the car last night. I'd love it. I love it. And he wants to play it.
So it's, it's actually fun for adults. Fun for everybody. Have you worked out a website?
Josh Janssen: [00:12:47] Have you worked out any more things that you're going to do on your road trip to Sydney? Uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:52] other than getting to a destination and, um, having some beers at the pub, which I feel like is a, a nice, um, you know, celebration of holidays, being able to drink beers and stay in a crummy motel is the best thing ever.
Um, No. I was just thinking, you know, like talking about unwinding, you can think holidays are unwinding and then you start looking at, like I said to Amy yesterday, can you please send me Cal invites of all your things? Because the, to be honest, the holiday up to Sidney's is really Amy's time. Yeah. Because it's, you know, her mates are all up there.
She's got priority. You know, I can go and see friends down here. I've got that luxury. Um, Her besties are all up there. So by the time I'm looking, I'm like, what does this do I have? But I do enjoy it. Like it's, it is the vibe of it. But. It is a trap though, to feel out your holiday, back to back. And then is it really a holiday or is it, is it a version of unwinding?
Josh Janssen: [00:14:00] I mean, look at serves is going to be, I'm headed to w way a lot of firsts, a lot of, you know, meeting Grace's mom. Like there's a lot of things happening if you think about it. It is going to be doing maybe. Yeah. So it could be somewhat relaxing, but also a little bit stressful
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:20] crisis
Josh Janssen: [00:14:20] mother's wedding.
Like there's a, there's a lot going on.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:24] Uh, imagine how many times he's going to reel off the story
Josh Janssen: [00:14:27] of a
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:29] edgy guys, mate.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:30] Well, thanks for saying that. When he, um, talks about what he does for work, he has like a few ticks. I see, like he's has not stress or stress at all until someone says our wife, what do you do?
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:46] What, why, why can't he answer that? What's what do we do? I
Josh Janssen: [00:14:50] think it's like, it seems like maybe it's, um, it's complicated.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:56] Cause he, next minute he's into IAB 2.0 compliant. And he's talking to, he's talking about a table in the systems.
Josh Janssen: [00:15:04] It's um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:05] I mean, what. It is a funny thing. What if he says, Hey, Hey, yeah, what do you do?
I'm a podcast producer. Maybe he's worried about everything that he says actually is interesting for someone to then ask a followup question, whereas you can hide, like I've decided not to explain sometimes specific things about what I do, because I don't want to, I can't be fucked. You can
Josh Janssen: [00:15:30] come across as sarcastic.
Like I was at a family thing the other day. And, uh, one of the family members said, Oh, you and Brie will buy a house soon. Aren't you? I said, yeah, we're going to buy 20. We might actually just buy a whole estate. And just like, no one, like no one knows everyone looked in me. Like, I don't know, like, what does that mean?
But it just, it stopped the combo. It's fucking awesome. I was like, so proud of myself, David, you
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:58] got, Josh is doing well. That
Josh Janssen: [00:16:01] Murphy going real well. Are there any questions that, like, what are the common, what's the common three questions that you'll get. What do you do? Okay.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:10] Um, has, has worked going and, um, Oh God, that
Josh Janssen: [00:16:20] COVID banter.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:21] Oh, yes. Yes. So, ah, how was the lockdown? I'm
Josh Janssen: [00:16:26] not going to Sydney, especially
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:28] the end to Perth too. There's a lot of like, Oh, that lockdown crazy. Wasn't it? Yeah. A lot of, a lot of that. What else is there? I mean, fuck. I'm just trying to think about. Amy's family is great. She's got, you know, you get a couple of people in the family that you really can end up bantering with.
Um, so I've got them. We still, we talk about bridges. I like to get, I like to get interviewee. I tell me, like, I like to get, forget me. I like to understand. I was asking, so Amy's uncle. Is an engineer and, you know, has been, he was telling me the history of the Sydney Harbor bridge and that type of bridge and how it's there and the types of bolts that are in and the way that they were put in back then, and they're starting to rust.
And, and then the next minute, we're just fine. Right? Why did I do, you know, have to take it down? Like we'll have to replace all of the bolts in it because the way they put them in was these fucking. This old school method that can rock the inside, especially with the sea on the sea. And so what this is, this is a trick.
I mean, it takes effort, but it definitely takes the effort out of you needing to reveal who you are. Go hard, find a quirk, or find something they're obsessed with this person, whoever they like their profession. And, and it's, it's about the right person too, because then not everyone will want to do this, but you find the right person now you've got it.
Now, a podcast.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:56] You've got a
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:58] solid hour. Other the podcast.
Josh Janssen: [00:18:02] I definitely do that too. I think it, yeah, it's the, um, gravitate to someone that's obsessed with something and then just drill them on it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:10] Well, it's next minute. What's your biggest challenge? What else? Aviation
Josh Janssen: [00:18:14] always seems to be one. There's always someone that's.
Sort of either a pilots or does something in aviation?
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that. Um, I mean, yes, just anyone who's got just something that you don't know. Oh yeah. One time Amy's auntie, this is great. So this is where I have to, um, you know, like it's, I'm, new-ish. To the family. I'm only six, six years in, I think, seven years, six years.
I mean, we got to it pretty quickly. Um, as in me meeting the family, cause we're doing the remote long distance, the remote doing my work
Josh Janssen: [00:18:50] relationship, remote relationship,
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:53] but Amy's, Amy's RT was telling me about, she works in a, um, A hospital, uh, where people with mental illness, you know, reside. And, um, she was talking about a murder and I went deep on this sort of it's fame.
It's like, well-known this, this person in the hospital, um, uh, was. Maybe I might, this might be out of school, sleeping with somebody, a patient, and then murdered the patient, cut the body up. But then they found like, Oh, it was this full investigation. And then she's still in prison today. And then I was Googling the person.
I was like, Oh my God, this is her. And she used to work directly with it. Hi Karen again. Yeah. Hi, where's Karen always get used to that.
Josh Janssen: [00:19:45] I mean it, yeah, we've turned it into a crime podcast. It does sound,
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:48] it was missing. Yeah. Some serious shit, serious shit. So I mean that all just, um, just get really drunk and go mute just in the corner.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:01] I think the, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:02] Oh, sorry. Another one talking vaccines one year with Amy's uncle who's a doctor, which was great. Just like that. So tell me these anti-vaxxers, you know, what's the deal. And then he's telling me the studies that were done and how a paper had to be retracted from, uh, that was written. That basically is the backbone of most of the anti-vaxxers, um, arguments, but it, it got retracted because it wasn't true, blah, blah, blah.
It got through anyway. Fascinating. I mean, this is, this is, this is about papers, misses
Josh Janssen: [00:20:36] story of someone who's like, um, family member got sick and died or maybe they didn't die. They got really sick from a vaccine and was like fucked up, like, um, I had issues the whole life and that person's an anti-vaxxer it's like, I feel for them, it's like, if you've had a close family member, Whose life is been really severely impacted worrisome sort of, um, you know, uh, adverse effect.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:06] Fuck, we roll the dice with so many things in life. Yeah. Pills, your pop things is snot food you ate like seriously. Think about the, the little questions you ask about a lot of things. Definitely. There has been people that have, you know, Had the worst of the possibilities. So it's like, yeah, taking a vaccine, taking any medication.
It's like, it's not guaranteed. Like there's still always outlining. He could have
dude bodybuilder, you know, you're in a bit ago, choked on food died. Okay, Doug, that's his job. He used to eat food and train and then so sad. So sad. Anyway.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:58] Um, Yeah, good one. Oh, well I'm fucking exhausted. It's getting, it's getting to the, um, you know, I mean, we're telling you the fucking December three, I'm feeling it, but I fly.
It's going to fly. Well, what couple of weeks? And then everyone's buddy taking off. Imagine I'm feeling for anyone that's working over the Christmas break. If you're working, working over the Christmas break, I hope you. Have a relaxing
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:24] or you've had the whole year off and you
Josh Janssen: [00:22:28] just landed the job, but don't you think that it's like, again, maybe they're loving it.
Maybe there's someone
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:33] I know it's the framing. If you do work over summer, you have to frame it to yourself some way. I know what you mean, though. In Australia, there's a vibe. There's a vibe because. We're lucky that a lot of people take time off and a lot of businesses are forced to close down or they force their staff to take leave.
And, and so, yeah, I'm in tune. I mean, I'm fucking 32. I've had 32 years of
Josh Janssen: [00:22:58] if you ever had a summer job.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:02] No,
Josh Janssen: [00:23:02] that'd be silly. You'd never do that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:06] I worked all year. No, I never, I mean, summer jobs probably would have happened if you weren't working. Remember I left school in when I was 17 and started working.
And so before that I'd work weekends. So, I mean, it's not that I haven't had a job, but I could imagine kids that. Go, you know, doing school actually focused on getting an education, then have time in the summer or want to do something like that. But it's too fun mate, to fun down the Brighton baths, you know, Paul.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:35] Oh man. I'm excited. I'm fucking,
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:38] so right now, can we get a sample? Yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:23:40] totally. Fuck it. I think it's the bike. Not to bring up the bike, but
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:44] no, it's not. It's tiredness. I was literally watching. My friend's girlfriend. Talk on Instagram stories last night. Um, yawning. My friend, kale yell, yell. My friend Kells I'd miss out was talking about 88.
Yeah. You fight up, um, iron deficiency, not to throw, not to, you know, throw it out there, but deficiency, if you yawning a lot, which I she's a, um, some kind of, you know, Instagram doctor. Nah, NA natural, natural. I don't know. Something like that. Yeah. She's got some qualification that I was like, that's fascinating.
I'm fucking next time. I'll be on it. I'm going to think about spine. So, um, maybe you are inefficient. Maybe you should go get your bloods done because you're natural.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:32] Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I need to get my bloods and I actually got to fucking, because remember we did last year, the testosterone test at this time.
And so they'd put it in the calendar to contact me in a year's time to get them redone, but I'd completely forgotten about it. So they called me and was like, Oh, Hey, like dr. Blah, blah, wants to get your bloods done. I'm like, yeah, I've been to the doctor.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:55] I think it's worth it because it's you go in with the approach of like, yeah, it's for health.
You actually just want to optimize what may be low or high or whatever. Yeah. Versus you're feeling something bad. And then you go in that's where it's like, It's not good.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:09] I mean, the thing is, I feel like I must be tired if I can't even fake it. Don't you think like a normal, like, you know, when you can bring an energy, I can't even bring an energy right now.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:20] three weeks. Mason was just doing
Josh Janssen: [00:25:22] this. Oh yeah. That's true. That's very true. That's very true.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:27] I've
Josh Janssen: [00:25:28] been getting up early though. That's the other problem? It's like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:32] Oh, now you've
Josh Janssen: [00:25:34] turned me off. I get, I, uh, if you want to send us an email hype, the daily.com
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:39] tend to sit there and shepherd and Josh 13, 13, 10 60.
Does this yawn, you know, come through the phone. Do you catch it? I've got heaps of
Josh Janssen: [00:25:49] calls. Alrighty. Well, enjoy the rest of your day guys. And we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one and say guys,