#529 – Creating Space With Stacey June/
- November 27, 2019
Stacey June is back! We chat about belly buttons and birth, making space in your life, gut instinct, and we find out why Stacey unfollowed Tommy on Instagram!
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Belly buttons and birth
– Shadow bans and baby content
– Teaching your kids the lessons you learned
– Ambition, regional radio and burn out
– Gut instinct and anxiety
– Being the observer
– Supporting your lifestyle
– Why Stacey unfollowed Tommy on Instagram
– Josh’s social media stories
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 529. And we've got Stacey June back on the show. Hi, guys. Hi. Hi. You brought an addition with you. You're quite pregnant. I'm so pregnant. I love that point where it's just a little cuddle and you feel it on the belly. Just brings me it's it. I mean, I I instantly want to go for the touch. You can my eye Yeah, yeah. Wow, it's amazing how hard these are. Can I just real to close? Thank
Oh, it's it's so hot.
Why don't want to you're not gonna hurt the bad way. Where was your belly button?
popped out. It's I've got Jackson Should I still
I guess it's gonna like it.
I've known you guys for a long time the life
they have it's nice
to say that it's a little bit daddy's fairy weed because I've always had this side not like in belly button and I've got a video actually of the day I discovered it had popped out and that is by far the most extreme crazy thing I've dealt with in my pregnancy. You have 35 years you've got the same thing and then all of a sudden your skin is pushed out of your stomach and it looks completely different. It was such a head if I couldn't get over it and that I've grown a human and it still hasn't surprised me as much as the belly button did going buttons oh we
probably school there's a few kids I remember that that had outcomes so little. I haven't seen my brother as an adult. I haven't seen an adult with an Atty.
face so awkward about them to Addy me it's like no, no dirty word, but no one wants to talk about.
glad we're covering you thinking but I'm saying
my brother had an auntie and they they're more likely to turn into hernias. And so, yeah, you know, like, there was a time where I'd feel it. And it was actually he's gonna say oesophagus, definitely not oesophagus. It's He's, uh, you know, the things that you have that can be food go through what's called your colon. Yeah, the other thing test is,
you can actually feel the intestines and stay. So I know you you've shared your journey along the way to where you are with the pregnancy. Is there anything you've learned? Because I could imagine you did a lot of research into what it's like to have a baby in and the journey, anything that you just outside of the belly button that you're like, holy shit.
Yeah, I think there's a real
there's a real sad narrative that's going on with birth. that I think has been a big eye opener for me. I you know that it's like people go to hospital. I don't know, I just didn't realise there was so many great options other than the ones that you think are the options, sitting outside being a non pregnant person or a non person that can be pregnant. And I think that has been really refreshing. And I found that really interested in I'm actually quite intrigued to see if that's something I end up, you know, being really interested in after depends on how my birth guys I guess, but just the fact that there's a real medical essence to what we know for birth, whereas what I've understood now is that unless it needs to go to medical intervention, it isn't really a medical procedure. And I didn't really think of it like that even being the hippie that I am until you you're faced with it. You're not researching this crap.
Yeah, I mean, until the kids heads the size of football and it can't get out. Exactly like that kind of stuff. I mean, we're so So lucky. Like, the reason we have the population we do is because of childbirth being something that people don't die from necessarily like it was once like Amy, and that. I mean, that was traumatic for her. But what was an interesting one is going to hospital, we usually associate it with sickness as this really a lovely thing. So it is a shift of being in a place, that's usually which
they say can really change the progress of your labour too. So you're kind of thinking about when are we going to go to hospital? How are we going to get there? When are we going to when should we called the hospital when should be? And that kind of process a lot of the time will actually Ellen gate, the labour. So as you can probably tell, I'm planning for a home birth. Because I I just it's not because I want to be anti hospital or you know, it's not one or the other. But for me, it's like if I don't need to go there, then I won't go there. If I need to go there. I'll go there.
What's the everyday carry of someone who's planning on giving birth at home? Like what do you have to have? should be like fucking top like
a to do list. Yeah, yeah, we've got the poll that has been struck my husband's job, but just got a blow
up. Oh, well it's a birth pool.
I don't know actually. Like a compressor. Just marketing clacks rebab it actually just checked a couple extra hundred.
Rosie free minja baby
the anyway, so you got the baby Paul. I guess you just
all the midwife's will bring one more way to say about that. But I don't want to rely on anyone else I'm very much let's just get the things we want because this is I'm it's drug free, right? So these things are not a joke. You need anything you can to try and help you get through it. Yeah, tops to some degree like just as if you're painting. Just go to Bunnings and get the painting
Hey, we got you covered. I'll
make a bit extra cash cuz I'm sure painting drop sheets aren't that expensive in home birth drop shape.
Have you worked out in the house where you're going to have the setup?
Well when moving the kitchen table out, and when putting the pool there in place of the kitchen table
so you feel like safe you're two days out from your due date. Do you move the table and get the pool set up?
Yeah, I think where we're going away at like ridiculous, like 3839 weeks we're heading about an hour north to go away with some mates. I just don't see the point of sitting at home waiting when we can sit by a pool with some friends cooking for you and a barbecue and then if we feel like where things are on will drive home. So we'll have everything set up before we lay in. bed and Hanwha
Josh Cole, Josh Cole We were on the phone when I'm eSports, bro. Yeah, right. And and then it you know, it didn't happen until the next morning.
Yeah, takes a little bit. Yeah, but does she have any pain before the water breaking? Some kind of
start to get signs
but they weren't clear enough and not everyone's waters breaking at night like that. So it's all different. Stephen Walter who was on radio when we were in shepparton Wally, he gave birth his wife gave birth in the driveway. I remember he delivered the baby. Like, and it was so quick. It wouldn't have been a first though.
Not Yes, yeah, you got you got to programme your body to get it get it out. And I think it's Think about it. For your first child. It's not just
for you that people don't just hop right, you've got to squeeze Exactly.
that. Exactly. Probably close the door behind
yeah. And then there's not a head on it.
Have you watched like a bunch of content? Like if you sort of skewed all of your Instagram and stuff,
it's such low risk. It's shocking that they could really have the market but yeah, I've watched a heap of home birth because you don't really have it's like old school right? Like way before the internet was so crazy. You'd be looking for content when when people talk about the internet wasn't there and so I had to get books and whatever, home that's still a bit like that, like you have to dig hard. And it's YouTube, mainly that you can find stuff and it's a lot of it is random. You've got to find some stuff that looks relatively legit. I've watched birthing water birth videos on YouTube.
What does that do to your YouTube recommendations? You just send that to them?
Yeah, I can't remember. Then you'll get like 10 products I wish I didn't buy Yeah, baby.
Baby drop shade
and sorry. Have you thought about creating content around your I'm birth to help the people who don't have that content. Of
course, I have seen in fact, but yes, this is
really in a messed up place.
As I'm moving to having another human that does not choose to have content, it's it's tricky. I'm really struggling with my but No, we're not. We'll have a friend that will film and video it will film and take photos. I mean, and then we'll decide later if anyone ever sees it. But I want to have it first and foremost, I'll only ever film stuff initially because I'd like to have it for me. But then it's there.
Are you someone that likes listening back? Like if you do a podcast or whatever, can you listen back to yourself and be pretty okay about that experience?
That's that's so much more. Still separate. I still work. I feel so I didn't listen back to my podcasts. Yeah. And if I do, it will be From a technical perspective, so I'll be in the car just want to make sure the mics are right that, you know, integration into ads and stuff. So okay, which my husband's editing at the moment. So it's basically a check to him
to be like, by the time you listen back to the actual podcast, going out to the
Yeah, well, no,
I'm not really know I never really have to be honest,
we did is based on weird chicks that we used to have.
I just kind of feel like it'll drop it's meant to get to who it's meant to get to now, but with the thinker girls, I we did, I did start listening. And we kind of took on a bit more of a producer when we would have younger producers or people we wanted to train because it was an investment in them not so much our show. So we try and find ways to train them to be able to know the right edits and stuff. So we did it for that reason, but I've never listened back to kind of, if anything, if I do it through technical reasons, I'll listen to my energy levels. So
So what's the environment so if you're watching back you berthing video. What's like the environment? Is it like on a Sunday night? Is it like watching back?
I've got I filmed
What did you do? What do you do with it? Nothing. I've just watched it. I've skimmed through it. It's a bit too much for me. Yeah, like, unless I haven't edited together I've just got like a bit like a there's some full on moments of like the full placenta coming out and you will feel me I got that. Yeah, right. I just I just had my camera in my hand and so I was just trying to not be afraid
portrait or landscape.
If you don't know what you're doing with the cutting, I'm sorry.
For the 55
kills, he doesn't have my
shadow band now. Lightly.
I don't have a great relationship with social media at the moment. And I constantly wondering if I'm getting shadow band or
I found out like two weeks ago a shadow band is Do you know what
it is? What's the main? Well, I could do it without telling you based on the core. Yeah.
Like someone's like, Oh, I tried to search myself and have to type in the full name before it comes up. And that's apparently like Shadow banning. So they're reducing the amount of people that can see
why used to saying that. Stacey, have you seen a drastic change in something? Or is it
Yeah, I do feel like I feel like I'm a bit stuck. I feel like as I've gone through this transition of changing from, I guess this kind of millennial girl that doesn't have any idea what she's doing is my brand, essentially from my, from the think of girls and the content I used to create, to now navigating kind of motherhood and also being a bit more aggressive with my self help stuff and just swear words and just really I didn't have anyone to answer to like I did when I was on a. So I just have found that there's just there's no action activity, it kind of goes up, down up, like it just is very stagnant. And not that I'm kind of at a point where I think I should be growing or should be decreasing, but there's something in it that feels like there's
a block or the what's the shifting going from what the style of content you're doing to this is there. You could say it's not for everyone. So you were saying who is sticking around? What's your understanding of that transition as a brand?
I've never, I've never been a person to look at my stats and which is not a great thing, to be honest. But I think I have started to notice things because I've changed so my audience is changing. And a lot of my audience are probably not signing up for the new stuff. But then I'm finding new people come so it's just a bit of it. It's been a bit of a head fuck actually to not be too consumed by it. Because as I said, I've always been what, six, seven years, creating content with absolutely no intention behind doing it for our The people, but it's always been driven by what I wanted to put out there. But now I do know I do think a little bit more about the content I put out there I do think about will this help someone? Or is this worthwhile? Or is this because I think we're flooded by so much now that I want the things to put out there to not be so I don't know without conscious thought, you know, I was really just I shut everything out. But now that means that the conscious thought of the content has always brought also brought conscious thought of who's consuming it. Do you like it? Do you not like it? It's brought this other headspace that I'm not quite used to, to be honest.
Is there a sensitivity because I guess like when you're like having troubles conceiving and all that sort of thing, versus actually being pregnant, how did you sort of deal with the change in the audience or the sensitivities around that?
I know that my follow is went down dramatically with how much I spoke about miscarriage and trying to fall pregnant. That was that's just standard and I, again, I hate to even talk about photos because it's never stopped I've really paid much attention to but it was so obvious even my partner be like Jesus after that video, you could see the numbers go down. And so that's really it's hard to get your head around when you know that you're also getting private messages of people that it's totally helping, you know, and so yeah, I guess I just have continued to go within and just continue to push through that stuff and just do the content that I feel is important.
Do you think there's a difference in the type of follower or person that follows someone like you when you're in the mainstream media versus niche specific like, Is there a different
thing it's starting to? Yeah, I think there's definitely more kind of self help space to coaches and people that are interested in self development a kind of bubbling around but because my, I've never and this has been a thing for me forever. I've never fitted into a box sorry. As much as I might be now a coach and do a lot more self care stuff, I don't fit into that I don't have my yoga mat out taking photos from the top, saying mantras and things like this parts of me that will put things up that a my vision of that, but it's not as easy to box me into a hippie that is going to wanderlust and talking, you know what I mean? So, it's still easy, but then to some degree, I think I still get a lot of the commercial radio audience that are looking to, you know, speak to hear from someone that wants to talk about meditation, that's not to woo woo. So it's, it's a bit of both, which is kind of what I think, is where I'm at myself personally, which is interesting. How do
you reconcile the sort of the judgement that can come with parenting and being pregnant? In regards to the content that you create and how you dish it?
It's already pretty fucked up. Even interestingly, you know, you know, the followers that you've had for a long time, and even a lot of the people that I think could never really offer or give you advice or kind of push their agenda on you that have followed the content that I've done for years. As soon as you enter into a motherhood conversation will give it to you. And I've written back to one go once and I said, I think I recognise you like you followed my content supported me for a long time. Why is it now since I'm talking about my future child, that gives you the idea that I want your advice and didn't want your advice when I was a single girl? Like what? How is that different for you to think that you've got some right and only save is shameful at you? About a week later? Um, I don't know. I think this this real? I haven't cracked into it yet. I'm not sure I do. Definitely. I've definitely sad to say what everybody talks about with this, this motherhood thing. I think a lot of it is that a lot of the conversation particularly for the first six to 12 months is very private and personal. So then when people have the opportunity to spend Maybe two or three years on, they speak loudly. I think that's one of them. And I think the other idea is that we have this kind of real warped idea of the way motherhood and mum should be. I think it's still a bit patriarchal, to be honest. But I don't think it's the blokes pushing the agenda. I think it's the cheeks. This is the way you be a mom. We were told this years ago by people that weren't mums blokes, mainly. And now it's blokes that have let go of that idea. And it's the women that are still pushing it, which I've found, really confronting To be honest, it
feels like there's a narrative now that like, the first few years of someone's life is so important to their future, happiness well being. Do you think that that puts an extreme amount of pressure to have everything perfect in those first few years?
I think that's being generous to the people critiquing me To be honest, because I think you're right. It's the first three years that really, I've done a lot of research into this for my own money. Mental Health and anxiety because they say that a lot of your anxiety can stem from the first three years of your life your environment was what was going
on for three years of variety Oh
yeah, maybe but I don't think the people that are commenting eight probably even were aware of that. So I don't think that's the kind of driver to judge but I wish it was because that would come from a better place I suppose. So how
do you know not freak out in regards to like, you know, you have your kid that for three years, I saw a parent talking about no negative no negativity in that first three years. So it's like we don't want in any, any What do they say? antagonist? No. Again, no, no stories with antagonist like characters in any storyline, and they fast forward through a bunch of content like that their kids saying, that seems like quite stressful, because then all of a sudden, if you accidentally show the wrong scene in Lion King, you like Fact for life? How How do where do you sit makes it all
my biggest lessons from the hot chips in my life. So it would be crazy to try and sculpt a person that is purely based on positive experiences. It's just not the kind of person I want to rise. You know, I don't think I need to shove everything that I experienced in my kids way Jay Z speaks about this, and I love it. On the david letterman interview, he talks they say, how do you try and get your kids to learn the lessons you did? You were selling drugs on the street trying to figure out how to make ends meet. And now you'll be on saying Jay Z, and you've got kids, and he was like I and it was really a moment for me to compare myself to Josie. But I he just was saying, you know, you don't your kids don't need to repeat it to learn the lessons that you want them to learn. They don't have to go through the same things you went through. But at the same time, I don't think sugarcoating things and making things perfect is is a great formula to sculpt a character like A real character to me has a bit of great has imperfections you know characters that I like on TV shows that are women that are unlikable that are react like really steak and that that really are able to land on their feet and not crash to the floor when something doesn't go their way. You're
creating a batch of a future bachelor, contestant related content
Yeah, we know but no one else knows. And that's fine. Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah, because we, we no one knows what to say following. He's the kind of guy to say, Do you know the guy I'm cool with that.
But it is like, I mean, we are so fortunate. I mean, so many people have a tough time like you have getting pregnant. I me got pregnant. We were talking about it at our wedding and six weeks.
That's a surprise. You guys are pretty shocked.
We see this happening, but then we knew was that boy and we called him Bodie. And so we had the name. I don't know if everyone's on their own journey, but I think I definitely like it is so the the emotive response behind looking at parenting content or even being in a scenario where a friend of mines kid, the mom's a doctor, and very pedantic about the kid going on the floor, and like germs, and the one school authorities let him toughen up like get him in the dirt. My dad loves getting Bodie out and I mean, he's older now, but he's out touching stuff and some people just don't have that thinking around the key being in you know, dirty environment or being on the floor like here it's like you don't know if this is cleanse definitely not clean, but you don't know. And so, I I judge that parenting based on my Not that I vocalise it or say it I'm just like it's be arrived.
Feel the friction when the two kids are in a room.
I verse imply I also see the anxiety in the parent like, like picking it like
no Washington when they're picking that up for more than the gems. Yeah, that's
what I that's what I feel about it. It's like the germs, modern medicine would save most things that this kid where we are in Australia it's very it's a good place. I feel
like when I'm lucky because my partner is pretty different to me. So I think we've got a few bases covered in hatch in as, but it's funny. We went for a picnic on Sunday and I have my godson with me and we were walking to the toilets in the back in the park so that public toilets, and I walked with no shoes on. And he follows me and walks with no shoes on and I thought to myself, he probably like he's his parents would probably put shoes on him. But is that should I so I just kept walking. He came with me. And then his dad raced down and was like, you've got to put your shoes on you got to be shoes on. And it's interesting that like that's their thing, but at the same time I was thinking I wonder if that will change For me when it if it's my kid and then they actually my mate ran back with my shoes
it's disgusting in there I opened up from that yeah it was like guys like it was pretty funny because you actually
like The Walking
yeah yeah the dunny just dripping in
situations feel funny Could you take your shoes off when you're on a flight? A long flight?
Yes I would prefer never to wear shoes.
Yeah yeah do you wear like thumbs or whatever you
always have to have my face yeah especially now if I have like runners on old died like night I've got these napkins that I've put on and I feel like I've just suffocated for the day if I've had the model
boots chip, we
will ship it in.
It was freezing and there was literally the only person there that I cared about was you.
You will the same thing every day pretty much the same baby Yeah,
yeah because you just get into that sort of yeah it's like a you know you're in the car you just like comfy you have you think that it's in that comfy strikeout
rate so much matters if I did regional radio just like getting around like early morning coffee.
We went for coffee after every show there was a little ritual and then we got we started getting like pancakes delivered to the
fun look at those times in a different light nowadays then when you like it, we're closer to that period.
Um yes and no. Yeah, I'm very proud that I did it. But I remember when I first moved to Sydney and had landed the job at case and sore naturopath and was quite burnt out. I she said that I had adrenal fatigue and I was telling you about my life and it was including all the rage, no stops because this was well shipping and it can just she
had adrenal fatigue after all of that. Well I flooded pretty
much And so then she was saying, but then she actually said, for that she goes, it sounds like you could have post traumatic stress. And what do you mean? And she said, it's more just about the, because think about it. Many people don't even move house, let alone move cities, let alone move cities, three times in two years and then then they're not cities, you move to a country town where you've never lived. So it took me a bit to, I guess, come off that exhaustion of what it did to me mentally, I think, but now that I look back, I think, I don't know. I just feel like it's a really good thing that I learned those skills, but also I sacrificed
I guess, is there a way of like self preserving when you're in the moment like looking like talking to the natural path where you like are in shepherd and I probably should have been doing x, y and Zed instead of this?
Hi, it's brekkie radio for status. Ron would say that's challenging. But then also when you're away from family friends from any form of like stability, you're also being challenged all the time by the environment you're in because you're constantly thinking about moving out of that environment and so everybody around you resent you for that. That's one of the unspoken things about regional Is it a lot of people that work in the station are very happy to live there and be there and that's great. But your constant your constant drive is to get out of there. So the vibe between you is is only real to some point they're not really interested in new bang they go not really interested in getting too invested we're
all putting on a show we got one
was a bit like that was
they were always they're always thinking of these guys will be gone soon and then so there'll be new and so that's why it's fair
to to some degree.
And then it's you know, getting in there like I remember schmoozing everybody like because I like being friends friendly with all bunch of people and I was like I went around
knew that You did that very well. And you did that much better than me.
Well, I think I did it from the day I was they made the point, but they're all white. There's everyone's like, I don't know about this guy.
Only year ago, when I first got to shepherd, I,
there was this woman who was having a party. It was like a hot night. We hadn't even started the show. This is before you. This was candy days. And candy hadn't even arrived to shepherd and yet, and I went to this woman's house, I was like, I've been invited. I might as well be good chance to drink and meet people. So finally, by the end of the night, the most quiet woman who later we know Jackie, I very quiet ran the stage. Yeah, so quiet and lovely. next minute, top off at this party. Everyone's pissed. Like in brown.
It was so now at the time that you're going to be working with
97 does it I mean you haven't had any radio experience at all what Stan what stands out to you in regards to when you hear Stace and Tommy talking about the regional stuff?
Definitely legend baby moving from her I yeah it sounds
it sounds real full on just your your uplifting your whole life in one spot and moving it to another and especially like a town where you don't know anyone that's that's so full on and then I mean like the hours and stuff on top of that it's
it's nice. What's the difference in coming to the regional station and then having the opportunity to start at a metro station? Like we say Ronnie is feeling
I'd worked in a metro station behind the scenes before I'd done chicken rage and Oh yeah, I was a producer beg your pardon. And and so I was a little bit more familiar with just the bells and whistles and half full on a commercial radio station can make but also how awesome I felt like it could Be so what and I feel like to some degree because we had a team, the team I was going in with in Christy we were friends and so and we we kind of had each other Yeah, so it was pretty awesome if I'm honest, like
I think people have an illusion that when you level up you everything's cool you know at that point soon I say but new roles they embody the meeting people having to win people over or or playing a game
like it was more honest you know, so when we're talking about rage, you know, you kind of don't want to be there they kind of don't want you there. Everyone needs to be there for a reason. They think okay, great and regional, still hard to get into, you know, you think that their jobs are just come up willy nilly. They're not you still need to audition for them. It's still super competitive. And to the best people still get those jobs on even in those markets. So you're there even though they kind of don't want you to so there's all this you know, animosity essentially then you move to Metro. Everyone's there because they Want to be there? That's the difference like you are there because you choose to be there and and we were working with Carl and Jack's team, essentially the best in the country so that, you know, there wasn't many complaints when we got there.
It's not a stepping stone, like the metro market, you can arrive and be doing it and you've gone
You said, we've got this idea. It happens the next day like and then it slowly disintegrates into the reality of like any jobs and the shyness wears off and the hard work sets in and you realise how low down the rank you are compared to jack in terms of budgets and ideas and all that stuff. But it's still nothing You know, I was still so glad that I had that to compare to because it was Yeah, it was a huge jump but it was pretty cool at the time.
I knew what you wanted when you were in shipping because you made it clear that wanting to move and get a metro you know position, more huge goal orientated like that if you go to destination or if you learned from having a destination arriving. And then
it's so interesting you ask this question because it's not just radio that I had like it was even to get to Nova, which was my first radio job, but was working in dance music, I've always had that ability to have where I want to be, and then kind of put it out there and do the bits, the parts to get there. But at the moment, I feel like the last time that happened for me, is the baby. Like it was really a bit of a trip hat because all of a sudden, I felt like getting this job was an ambition a beat, it had to be a bit of work, because our journey is very different to the average Joe. So I had to put that same energy. And it was it was because it's still creative energy, and it still comes from the same kind of womb, they say that creative projects and babies are all kind of built from there. So it was a bit and then I got it. And so now I feel like I'm in a little bit of a limbo place to be honest, which is very, very unusual for me.
You'll be distracted. One second. becomes, yeah,
I think I'm giving myself the space. But I've got to say, because I'm not quite that person anymore. And I'm not yet a mum, I am, it's been a really interesting period, the last kind of six months to be sitting in that middle and when I've always got quite a clear goal that I'm aiming for. But I know that when I get that again, and it has to be true has to be a passion, it has to be something that evokes something honest in me. And then I guess I'll go for it again. But it'll it'll be different this time, it won't be as strategic or aggressive. I think if it's support, I've got a bit of a combo of now understanding that there's good it's good to have goals where they come from your honesty as opposed to a strategy place, I think with radio, I very much saw myself as an announcer and saw myself as wanting to be on air. And I created a picture for myself and part of me was was that person in honesty, but then there were elements of me that I think I hadn't really discovered. So So now it's kind of like I know a little bit more of who I am. So the next thing might be such a strategy. I think it will be more me just being my truest self. And that will get me there. Does that make sense? Yeah.
Do you think that you fulfilled the full picture that you had in mind for Thank you girls?
Well, no, because the I always call go bigger.
But yes, at the same time, because we also achieve so much in such a short time. So you think you can always Yeah, could should we have got the Broad City Australian version of a TV show? Which we came very close to getting, or should we have continued on to go on to drive or should we? I mean, yes, sure. Those things would have been cool. But then at the same time, they were I really am very, really solid and grounded in the fact that they weren't at things that were at dreams. But where we landed was where we were supposed to land.
Do you think that from I guess you quite early in regards to the public Casting space. What How did that shape? Do you think the the way the the whole project sort of went versus if you're doing it in 2019.
So different, I think.
Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. I remember reading an article of Charlie Pickering of how he spoke about I think they tried to do a video series on Telstra. Remember before YouTube, you could download Telstra technology and it would like dan dan dan Dennett, download the video. So they tried to do essentially what is now known as a web series. back before YouTube was even a platform. And I remember him talking about this feeling of having these ideas a step before everyone was ready for them. I feel like that has been made my whole life with the thing girls with podcasting, even just a teeny bit. Stay But before and I know that I'm done with that now I don't want to be that pioneer to that person that because I that was very motivated me a lot. So the podcasting industry that hadn't quite taken off was very much a motivated I was very passionate about it because it wasn't something that had been done. And that kind of conversation like the thing goes, the things we were talking about were not spoken about two girls, two girls wasn't really spoke, you know, it wasn't really done often. So those things really motivated me that motivate me anymore. I don't know. I don't I don't feel like I need to be the first one to the party. Do you think so?
Do you think it's best to even being the first to the party like is
it's not best for your pay packet? No, but it is pretty nice for your integrity. Like to create content before anyone's telling you is it's good and it's good or it's okay. We The only gauge we ever had to be able to know that we were doing the right thing was our intuition and our audience, we never really had anyone in the industry telling us this is amazing. We've never had money being thrown at us like a lot of the podcasts on now with brands that we never had any of those opportunities to keep reinstating. We were doing something good. We had our selves and that was eat.
What is the what's the scepticism? That that comes with being early? Do you think that you sort of look at it in a different light, potentially saying the new version of podcasting because I didn't
get the young person's game IV To be honest, I think he just sat well for me, I just want different things I want a little bit more stability. I know that I can bring great ideas and content and I guess a creative kind of fled that deserves to be paid for to you know, so it just, you just change a bit with that stuff didn't that didn't matter to me as much it was more about the message and getting it there first and and kind The drive of it, I loved that part of it. So that was my currency. So there's no regrets. But it's not something that I guess fills me up as much as it used to.
Because we always talk as a team about like where we think the daily talk show is going to be. And it's always way further along than where we are now. Did you have those conversations where you're wise like, this is going to happen? Did it feel like you were going to sort of reach the full potential through the journey? Yeah.
Yeah. But that comes from me having a really good conversation with my God. Again, you need to have some of the backing that is beyond you. And it's a bit spiritual, but I always had this feeling that there was something a bit bigger than us that was going to take play, that we couldn't necessarily we tried to map it, but we couldn't necessarily decipher how it was going to happen. Even before the not show we would have been totally happy with an hour Sunday night show, which was what we were pitching to kids at the time. And then they came back with a national not show, you know, so even though we were thinking Big, it just kept getting bigger and bigger. But I think we knew it would be big. We just didn't. We didn't kind of control even though it looked like we controlled A lot of it. We didn't hang too much on to what the end picture would look like. We just felt like we wanted to do content and wanted to do it in a big way.
People are always trying to work out these things that might not necessarily be known. Like building an audience. It's like so you looked at someone's LinkedIn they were putting out by his the trickster video, here's the five things. I was thinking. I put a lens of scepticism on like, first ago who what videos have you created or? But then I was thinking about where I have landed some success in creating videos. It's like, I never look I never thought about it in that was step 1234.
So I think we I think we misjudge the bits that are hard. So I think a lot of people would think the hobbit is getting people to say it actually editing it. Doing it which is a skill set not everybody has. But the heartbeat is letting go of the of the place you want it to land. I don't think I think that's the hardest beat is losing the control of how the content will be consumed where it will go. And I think that is the bit that there's always underlying parts of things being you know, underlying discussions that I had about success. And a lot of it is about those emotional you know, control things that we all try and hang on to that I think once you it's the same as anything that's gone successful if you let it go to a point people will tell you at one point I just was over it like even for radio but by the time we got kiss I was done with radio was we were pitching and talking to channel V by that point to do TV because I was like King so done pitching and knocking on these radio people's doors. I'm out and then two months out, we got right like it happens all
the time when you take something completely off the table and then somehow Peace, love life, I shifted my focus. I shifted my focus away from getting into radio, to more into the coaching and stuff around the personal training and then I got a radio.
Also, I mean, the frustration around that idea, I feel is that the, because I feel like I feel that as well. But then there's also times where that doesn't work out like so like, for instance, financially, like we think like when we, four months ago, we were like with the daily talk show, it's gonna be a full time thing we're going at, like, let's not focus on this thing, this thing will happen. And then sure enough, you get to November and you're like our Fuck, we need to get working. We need to make this shit happen. I guess that it can be. It's so easy for us, I think as creators to be like, she's gonna happen it's gonna fucking fall into place. But I think it doesn't make it any easier.
But I didn't say she is definitely going to happen. I said, the right shit will happen. Well, that's the bit that you have to let go of the idea. That you, the thing you want to get up is the thing that will get up. And that you essentially have to be doing enough things to have one thing get up or a very good plan to be happy to pay your rent until something gets up, you know domain. So it's to be able to have that process or at least the foundation to have you keep trialling some stuff and working and creating till it gets to a point where something sticks,
how much does cash turn into compromise in regards to creativity? Like how much was there? The Okay, we need to make money versus this is the thing we want to do.
And not much but it was more about being able to make sure that you could, and it still is be able to fund your creativity. Like you don't want to be going backwards. It got to a point where we're like, okay, I don't want to be going into my own pocket now. And that's when we start to get really creative with events and doing different things, to be able to not only not to sell out essentially with content or to do jobs. We didn't want to do We just tried to get really crafty with the ways that we could bring in income. And that's still the case, you know, even with, I'd started doing online courses, and doing some coaching and stuff this year, which is all still stuff that resonates with me. So in a way, even though it was a different driver, because I was like, Okay, I've got this as an offering, I can make money from this, I'm gone. And that drove me more than this for once. And that didn't mean it was any less authentic, you know, so I just kind of think you can get crafty and you can get really, I don't know, smart about the way that you can then exploit or share your content or what you have to bring, which is what I've learned, I really have the doesn't mean it's a sellout. Yeah,
I think it is a friction point. For creatives, when they're having to be resourceful trying to work out how to fund the fun or fun the thing that they're doing. Do you think it puts I mean, some people can't handle that state of having to work out how to make money but also be creative because they, they, in some respects they different muscles, right? A good businessman isn't necessarily necessarily a creative artist.
And also, I think a lot of people that have ego that you know, very much filled by the money side of things, is it's a really hard industry to be in if you feel like owning a house by a certain age doing all of these things is something that drives you, but you want to be you want to have this creative picture and be a DRP or you know, you want to do something that takes 1015 years for you to get a job or like you know, have some form of it's tricky you it's not only I think it is what you're saying is right there two different muscles, but also a creative has to be also a kind of person, I think to to survive long, long term. You need to be a person that doesn't necessarily i don't know i think of all those things as the the main currency of success in your life. Yeah,
there's much better ways to just earn a paycheck and get a house and get a mortgage.
If you wanted to, like that's, I guess what we always come back to it's like, could always work at a tech company or radio station and get a producer role and do all that sort of thing. But we, I guess that the hard part is that you spend, you know, like with in what we're doing, it's been nearly two years and you make it work and all that sort of thing. But then when there's a week or a month, or it's like, okay, we're not making budget, when your back is up against a wall, you all of a sudden have to make harder decisions around like, okay, we said we're not going to do this thing. Is this actually going to compromise the overall
straight longer strategy 100% have to relook every bit of the way you and not only that from a budget perspective, but you changes PayPal, you know, I got pregnant and it's like, okay, I don't want to sure. I'm married and I mean a great position in terms of setting up with we can pay the rent, we can do all those kinds of things, because I'm A relationship. But at the same time, it wasn't just about necessarily money, I wanted to be a contributor to that I wanted to be a big as a contributor as I was, and what the plan was when I was on commercial radio. So how do I get back to that point, not just because I want to be cash and drive the certain car, but because I want to contribute to my family, you know, so you do start to have all kinds of different conversations. And just because you enter into the creative world doesn't mean that any one given day, you're signed off and never have those thoughts. You know, you have them regularly, which is why it's such a tough, tough gig to take. Because you have to constantly keep choosing It is always a choice. And you know, that was the bit that I learned over the last couple of years with things really, you know, changing for me and going out and working more on my own. It was very much that I had to keep choosing to do it. And that's that's tough because you could also just choose, maybe I'm going to become a researcher or, you know, a producer on telly show and just go get my paycheck and come Hi me know those thoughts totally happened. But I, you know, it's not it's I've got a voice and
that's that's what I want to back. Do you think when she gets How do you get you back up against the wall? It what kind of person do you become a fighter? Or or does that
I guess also if you because you're someone who is very into your intuition, your gut instinct, your gut instinct has served you all this time and you followed it and then to have those friction points. I guess an extension you can you then fall into questioning hang on his gut instinct just a bit of delusion.
Never. Never. It's always led me to the right place. No, I don't think gut instinct. That's the only thing I believe we have. I really do. I think that's the only thing we know for sure. And if we don't have that, then we're we're in this world like so long, constantly just following the pack and that's there's just nothing Why that? Life is about that, that we're supposed to just be here consumed to just sign up to what everybody else tells us to do. So if that's not the case, and what's the other option, it's got to be that you go within and find your own vibe with it, you know, and find your own place. So that's never really been a question for me. But it's that the time when you're in those moments, your back is against will maybe I won't meditate and ask my gut, maybe you get a bit sabotage, do you kind of like, Fuck, I don't want to do it. And then I'm not perfect, like, in my way, meditate for a couple days, which doesn't met you know, you don't know, that growing and other head but it means that I've lost a little bit of my compass, right? So then you can you can go down a bit of a spiral where you're like, you start to question stuff. And that's, I guess, the challenge is to be able to come back to it and you come back to it. And straightaway you get an answer that you know, is the answer you need which is just give it a couple of days or email this person or this is this is just a step to the next place. And then you can trust it like I've got such a good relationship with what I got. My intimate is that I can kind of look at it and go, alright, this isn't going to be exactly the way for example, I've got an event coming up my first solo, I guess speaking engagement, and it is all about how to find your intuition. And the numbers are different to the numbers that I would have with events that I did with a, you know, very successful jumo with two people, lots of different, you know, profile behind it, whatever. And but I have to come back to myself and kind of go now this is a stepping stone for the next bit in the next bit and that I get from my gut. I don't get it from anywhere else. Even if you told me or the girl that's organising it with me was saying that I would never buy it as much as a night split. What's
the How do you distinguish between gut instinct and things like anxiety? So and and do they grapple?
Yeah, they do. But I think the whole thing that we do in this workshop is talk about the idea or at least navigate through the idea that essentially your gut is your mate right? If you are having things and I know that it's people don't want to believe that there's an option for you, that is all positivity, everybody says can be real, not actually your your gut is it's when I say positive, I mean, it's not necessarily going to tell you everything you want to hear, but it is going to have you back because it's yourself. So there's ways for you to be able to almost and I've figured out the best possible way i can to mould it into almost like a person I introduce you to. So you can get a bit of an idea of who they are, what their characteristics are, how to trust them, how to find them, how to call them, how to speak to them, how to listen to them, just as you would as a friend. And so that's how we kind of navigate I guess, trying to find something that's really personal and very internal. I try and make that as easy as possible for someone that is questioning their intuition and trying to find ways to come back to it. But back to the anxiety question, the anxieties can sometimes be a bit of a tricky one, because it can also be a very good way for you to get messages. You know, often we say anxiety is such a negative thing, which for a lot of us it is because it's a pain in the ass, that makes us feel not great. But we're also very quick to take signs that are only positive, we really ignore signs that come through as negative. And in fact, signs that aren't necessarily what we want to hear what we want to do adjust as powerful pieces of information from our gut than the positive ones. And so I think, you know, we need to kind of start to understand how to use our anxiety for our own benefit as well. That's not talking to people that are, you know, panic attacks. You know, I'm talking people that have tychus like me, and you know, things that aren't as extreme ways for you to navigate it. I guess. Does that make sense?
Where do you put it where do you prioritise Where all these things and these like, get 100 thoughts or whatever on a specific thing, there's a million different ways that you can go. How do you start to sort those into something that's actionable?
When you start to separate straight up that your thoughts on you, right? So you've got a raid, everyone's got a raid. I think I've even spoken about this maybe on your podcast or someone else's, the untethered soul by Michael singer. It's the greatest explanation of how you yourself your personality, your sense of being your purpose, who you feel like you are who you feel like you are with your best mate, your partner, who you were as a kid, that is not your thought. They're completely two separate entities. And if we don't understand the difference between them that it is very confusing because you're like, I am all of these. Well, no, you're not you're only just this and your thoughts are all my silac to call it a director of what this is. So it will essentially be the the person that says we going this way we're going that way we're actually doing this, we're doing this or we're not, but their actions, they're not as an essence, or they're not actually who you are. So the first step is trying to figure out ways to separate those two. And understand that they're very different conversations and very different, I guess
offerings, which dictates which
you've got, you've got, well, that's the whole thing. You have to have your gut dictate your mind. Because if your mind dictates your gut, then you're constantly going to feel very confused, and very unfulfilled with life, I think, where
does external voices and culture fit into this? So I guess like, some people feel like in their gut, they need to have a kid or buy a house all these things that are sort of set up.
This is so complex and running, at least in my book at the moment, which is about single living and how much the first two chapters are all about how Disney and our parents and now society has told us to couple up and how do you get have an idea of what is I guess successful living as a woman and get into who you actually are. Maybe you do want to get married and live like Disney. But how do we separate from all of it to figure it out? And that's and for me that is meditation because it kind of reads the noise. And you have to create some form of space to be able to separate the two, so your mind and your guys, but for other people might just be walking or listening to me, it just needs to be something that happens that allows you to have space, because when we don't have space, there is no there's no way for you to be able to separate the two. It's just one big merging blob
and actually being the observer, right? Because you're talking about mind and it's like in the distinction between the two, even anxiety being able to understand what that feeling is I didn't think I was an anxious person. And I and I went to the doctor last night and I was talking to him about like getting the A Medicare rebate for seeing a psychologist and are saying, I don't know she that that test
the mental health.
I didn't ask how to spell psychologist because you
definitely not fact I was filling with Ph.
You can do anything guys believe in yourself.
I don't know if it's quitting alcohol for the year and understand confronting the feelings that I have that I may have been masking with our call and meditating that makes me observe the feelings that I'm having. I don't know if it's that or I've always felt anxious at times and haven't identified and I'm leaning towards actually just having identified myself as having anxiety.
My husband was like that. Yeah, yeah, it was like that.
Because I think you lean into the positivity I want to switch the anxiousness to positivity.
And you don't want to be an anxious person. Yeah. You don't want to be with everyone else.
Yeah, you know the picture of what an anxious person is, but there Night picture and it comes up and goes, you know, and what's confronting is taking time to be still if you're always thinking, taking time to actually acknowledge the fact that there is a flood of thought, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes down a negative spiral that's confronting itself to realise Fuck, I'm out of control, because we all are what? We don't control the thinking it happens. And so but that's controlling how we acknowledge that thinking, and observing it. So sitting back from it, which is Yeah, I think it's, it's so powerful and hard at the same time very hard.
Yeah, it gets easier though. And, you know, over time, you start to not have to go so deep to be able to see the benefits of it, it will just happen. Like even how we were talking before. I didn't know what the question was, but I was like, when you were saying is the gut just maybe not nothing. And I was I almost was like, I didn't even know how to answer that because that is how I think so. It's not even I didn't even feel like am I might come across like some religious crazy
It could be faith like that is a type of faith, right? Which is like, there is this thing that is guiding, guiding your whatever, which is I think that I think
it's all, we all have one I think with faith, it's like, specific to a certain type of
religion like it. I guess that's the difference between religion and faith. Like that's what I think is powerful when I see friends who have religion in their life that people who I think I really sort of admire are the people who like, they take the faith bit. Yeah, they take it as a personal practice. And so prayer is just meditation and it's just like all these other things actually adjust. They're all one of the same in some ways. Yeah,
Yeah, the I think like culture and the, what we think society wants from us I think is interesting as well, like the Tommy stopping it, alcohol. All these things about it feels like it's very popular at the moment to like Quick things, right? Like, stop doing this, stop doing that I don't watch TV, I don't consume this type of thing. And I wonder whether some of that is coming from people's own feeling of inadequate inadequacy around like, the self hate of I'll be good if I don't do X, Y and Zed. Do you feel like say with your phone? Like, I feel like that's one big one for me. I'm constantly like, if I don't spend, if I spend less time on my phone, I'll be able to have things Daddy, are you thinking about those things? For a personal level of like, I want to cut out this I want to cut out that
not really know, I think because I think I don't know. I feel like it's almost impossible then to live long term like that. You know what I mean? So I'm looking constantly to find things that I can add to my day that level the things I choose to use out. So creating space or you know, meditating or doing yoga. going for a walk or exercise, whatever it is, I need to be on my phone for work probably not as much as I am at the moment. Because I'm pregnant, I wanted a lot. But I mean, it's more about trying to that's something that's going to be with me all the time. And I tried that before I had to laugh because I bought a burner phone, which was like 47. So we called it, it was a different number. It was a flip and had it was not a smartphone. And I had it just to have as a number. So you could text me or call me on the weekends, and I would have no social media. This is when I was still on it. Because it was just so intense. Everything was so full on it was just brimming up. But at the same time, it was like I couldn't take photos and there were parts of the phone that actually helped me with maps and different stuff. I was like now I've got to find more of a way to kind of support this lifestyle as opposed to fight
it. What's the structure then if it's not getting rid of it? What do you do? Well, it's creating
space, creating space without All of it, and being able to find ways to separate from the noise, which whether can be traffic work out of no stuff that's stressing you out or your thoughts to your actual gut, which is just a person or a spirit or a faith or a nothing. It's just maybe some silence that you can kind of tap into and just say, hey, Stace, what a day, you know what I mean? And just come back home a bit, and not have any of that noise. And so the
that idea of like, you talked about being tired and pregnancy, spending more time on your phone, potentially. Do you think that those things where we say, you know what, I'm going to just let myself do the things. So for instance, like, yeah, I am tired. So I'm just going to lean into it. I'm going to scroll on Instagram for three hours and I'm not going to be hard on myself. Those serving us or those are actually self sabotaging actions that make us feel tired. I can't work out at my And then going on Instagram or is Instagram making me tired by eight Bye
bye. I think the rule stuff some people require some kind of non negotiable rule around so alcohol structure and structure
there you think it's guys actually been my husband's been saying this a lot actually doing a bit of doing a coaching programme with this other dude and it's all about positive masculinity and and it's fascinating and he's saying and he was sacked coming into he came into the room after he did it the next morning and was saying I know you're a bit of a go with the flow person and I know on a weekend this isn't this is like but actually I need stride need some structure about when are we going to do this? How are we going to do that whatever. And they were talking about how it is a real it's a real bloke thing that it actually it's just a way for you to feel safer and feel better about your situation. So I think Might be girls too. But is that was just about to come up and now laugh recently? Yeah,
I mean the phone things in interesting one because if you just went with the flow you continue doing what you're doing is just scrolling when you're tired just looking just constantly in it moving back and forth. So if there is a rule, and then maybe the rule thing doesn't work once you try, unless we try these things, how do we know if they work out if we give them three months, six months a year, you need to give it that to see if it works.
And the quitting part could be an element of you creating that space, you know, so we're talking about this space today. The quitting booze for however long could be an opportunity for you to have more space, which then if that works, that works, right? I
guess also, like I think about my work and I feel happy happiest when success is defined. So then I know whether it's been a successful project or not. I guess that's why these little indicators of I'm going to spend this amount of time on my phone or having a calendar that's filled up gives you some Some of those elements of what success Yeah,
I have that even with myself K and met it like, I'll do a month where I'm like, Oh, I feel like I've kind of gone on and off. So I'll have those, those calendar things from typo where they've got the boxes of the calendar, and every morning, if I meditate or if I tap or if I do some stretches or whatever, I'll just write it down and I'll give myself a little menu of things to choose from. So it's not so rigid. And then I can say back through the month of what I've done as a bit of a monthly kind of challenge. Like I get it like it can be different stuff, but I suppose the flip side of all of this is that it doing different things for different people is the key. So how do you figure out what is right for you if you don't have any space to ask yourself? That's the fucking headphone. So all of this stuff works really well. If you have a good conversation with yourself to be able to judge what is right for you. Is that meditation? Is that where you think that happens? Quiet? So if that's meditation, then yeah. But yeah, I do. I do. And I think I think it's just it's the obvious discussion point. It's the obvious suggestion, but I think it is because it works.
I think that quiet also feels like a luxury wench you feel like, shits happening, and you need to make decisions and you've got all of this stimulus. Yeah, that makes sense.
But then the benefit of just swimming in thought, for 16 hours of your waking day, isn't necessarily optimised to get the result of fixing or, you know,
yeah, what's the point? I guess the point, what's the point as well in regards to like, it's okay for things not to be going right. Like I think sometimes it's like, I'm going to meditate. And so then these things that are bad on going to be bad anymore, but maybe it's being able to deal I
mean, that's the I mean Sam Harris, he's app is like, this may be the only 10 minutes of your day where you drop all the thought of thought. So what you said then is you're thinking about
You label the outcome. Yeah. So he's he's like, No, no, it's going to be there. Don't worry, pick it up. 10 minutes, you still fact. But these 10 minutes, just sit back from it
space. Yeah. Which I guess is, which is interesting because I think that for a lot of people, they have to get to a dark spot like people will have to get to a dark space went to motivate you to do all these sorts of things. So then the expectation becomes so fucking massive of what it's going to do for them. And
that's why people avoid it. Yeah, but I say that all the time, even to my mates. I'll say all the time. Don't fucking start to build your house in the rain. Like, do it when you feel good. That's the best work you can do because mostly if you're gone to therapy, when shit hits the fan, it's just survived the sheet, hitting the fan. actually getting Benefits of therapy and moving forward and having your life improved. The work is done when it's sunny outside things on you know screw
it up update your LinkedIn before you need a new job that's my mantra
it's okay wait token Ah, there it
is checking in with yourself LinkedIn today because you know because I remember like about four years ago at a previous job I was known as the person who would know whether someone was leaving based on their LinkedIn activity. Yeah.
guy that would know if someone unfollowed somebody
Yeah, we're gonna bring that up. This is the thing I wanted to ask.
How did I find out I looked
How Does anyone know that information? So
I did like these are the rabbit holes that I end up with. I go okay. Wonder what's happening with those two people are they? And then so I go follow it. Like who are they
following that about Tommy No no I was actually what is happening
was that was my thought process
never thought to be not good.
Not good no but just like you like okay what i'm trying I'm trying to understand it give me a moment do not do ever do it or know
God looking to see people follow people.
Yeah, you've never done it. No, I do it all the time. Like the thing is it's like I'm creating stories around like I think I want to like I got a vibe
sounds like something they would
definitely do that like it you I'll be the first one to know if someone drops off in regards to stopping liking my content. Lots of little indicators potentially. Actually,
so I dropped it off liking a few things.
Oh, no, I was potentially I'm yeah, I'm trying to where we
what was the weather?
Yeah, I don't know the specifics, but I do it I, there's a
blessing and a curse. He's a great storyteller. And the stories come from every angle. Some are true. Some he's just made
it, find it fascinating because it starts somewhere. And it doesn't mean that it has to mean anything. But it could be an exercise. It could be not. But it's still fascinating to me as to what the what it's like, because we're talking about fyz had it. It's not like, you know, where was it something like you thought she would have totally used to have like that an idea and then you go, she probably not following us. And then going
a little bit yeah, that's like, Oh, no, she's fine. What about you, john, the following. And so I say may I say that? There is a there is a lot of there was a lot of that.
What do you think so you got a message from somebody. I don't know who one of the drunks someone who follows you and I
wish she was a A longtime follower of the thing goes and then and then had her on the show now is a big follower of your show. And she messaged me what I screen grabbed and messaged you saying much drama if What did she say again? Remember it was
not starting this is completely fine the guys were so nice about it.
She did. And she said but they have spoken about the fact that you haven't new unfollowed Tommy and I was it was fucking hilarious. The from the beginning. I mean if we were to go if we were to go, but then she said and I've checked and it's right.
I know I've checked follow him and I was like sheet and of course I knew what it was I am fine like 1000 pages It was like
black and white side. I
know it would have been something Well let's be interesting we should look into who's above you and below you.
Show you weirdly Instagram doesn't show you in order of the following only followers fit Another thing is you can't one thing that I've done which tripped me up the other day with one of the stories I was creating was that proves your story wrong that I don't know why show you know how normally all the people that you follow that they follow sort of appear up? Yeah, yes. not always accurate. Also,
this isn't a story like what you found happened. I wasn't following Tommy. Great.
What does that mean?
Yeah, what does it mean is obviously the story but actually the beginnings of what you found, even though you're like trying to shut down yeah, it had legitimacy because I had not fight. She said to me, you're not fighting me. I went on to his page on that.
went back and followed you It
Well yeah, I just
don't even know what happened.
We also just gave a good sort of reason for it all to happen Really? Which so I'm glad that I was but
otherwise you might have found out one way
we had that conversation no because we had that conversation and I'm like, I know our friendship a bit. Like if you've got something like you're just not saying it to me if you need to unfollow me good, but we still might and so I never bought into a story of you've done an X for X y&z I always was like, Dude, this
is actually did you think there could have been some beef? Not beef, but I was
like, No, I was veggie.
Be honest. Okay. I was banging on it. So what I thought it could have been I was like, This is what I rationalised. I was like, okay, you had the miscarriage you you are cleansing the sorts of content that you producing, Tommy's always posting about Bodie and all this sort of shit. And so you're like, I'm just I can't have these kids. I can't have all this sort of shift in my feed, unfollow, unfollow, unfollow. And because I don't have like a kid, and I wasn't in that sort of path in regards to you cancelling out, let's
do that. Yeah, people might do that.
Again, have you ever thought about right?
You can see a lot of what's happening in the world based on social media interactions and what's going
on. You can't, which is exactly what we've just proved.
What you didn't say whether it's right or wrong.
Because it's like, yeah, and then there's also this idea of again, in your gut, you're like, there's been no baby and I know but then we can create this whole thing, by the thing that is really not that real. Yeah.
But it wasn't a base if you thought that I went for the empathetic,
of course, I mean, it's still a creation, you know what I mean? That has no merit in any contact, or any form of reality.
your content will you be? Do you ever wonder what that person's because that's what social media is right? Like someone likes your content so they haven't liked anything in a while and wonder what's happening. Like, what you'll see things where it's like, oh, that person, that guy is commenting a lot on that girl's posts. I reckon he's not with his partner anymore now and then you go down, you don't do any of that. That's where I was a monster.
thing. The thing that gets me is more work stuff. I probably get more secretively competitive, which is not different people's stuff. I've stopped doing it now. But I think I would always be on mostly for job opportunities. I was a bit of a lot If that person's working with that Britt like, yeah, there's no more but personally not I've never been this girl that is I don't request anyone I went to school with. I've got no interest in saying all my Tiana from primary school and having a kid she's but also from followers and stuff like it has to be for me and especially with the thing that goes with how much we would share. Yeah, I had to keep a bit of a distant I didn't want to know, this sounds awful because we would meet people but I would be happy to meet you at a real event. But I want to create some idea of who you are online.
Can I just a good one. We can look at the story potentially behind it. LinkedIn, you can see who's looking at your profile. When we were in Shepherd in the CEO of Southern Cross. That feature though, the biggest radio station, Australia, Reese Holleran, he's no longer the CEO, but he was currently looking at my LinkedIn profile,
not the second. I saw what
I see you've got that because now LinkedIn, I don't have the business pack.
They tease you with definitely takes you with full people. But you can have it activated so people can see, you know, you have to, if you can see others, I know you
were being honest. So the one this is one that's a little bit fucked up, which I think Tommy called me out on was we asked someone to be on our podcast, and they never got back to me.
And so on Instagram, she could save it, save it, yes. Nice or LCD.
So what I did was I went through every every blue tick that they followed on Instagram or anyone that I knew and put them down on all these people on a long list. I'm like, I'm going to in the next 10 days, get as many people on as possible. And so they're bombarded with us in their fade and DJ. Yeah, we did. Yeah, and have they responded? They then started engaging with our content.
That's brilliant. And I need to make some art you to be my new business partner, because I'm so impressed that slushie probably used to be me. And I'm tired of it needs
someone else to do it.
Don't do it.
Someone in your corner that needs doing it, but you will get exhausted by it a bit
about the journey he's been on a big adventure. Last one.
Yeah. That was nice. So part of it like when I create these stories, I'm best though when Tommy at least lets me have them but the other a few months ago, Tommy was like maybe that's not true. And that piece me off a lot because I'm like, I've built this story over a long time.
Yeah. And then you said there's attachment to your personal truth and the end,
won't it works. I think that that Instagram thing is a good one, like you don't want to be pay off, right? Like, well, that's what you were saying. It's like, why
you should really have the money now because they can pay by saying well, these are
blacklisted them. It's like you've got a list on
that. Yes. You've got a blacklist.
Well, in my head, there's a few people where it's just like, people who it's like,
I had a bit of a blur. I had a couple people that I that I was very much like, not and and when we got the radio show from the podcast, you when you're starting from scratch, as you guys would know, and people ignore you or you know, treat you like shit or whatever. And then you get a big radio show with commercial, you know, national following coverage and whatever. And then they start pitching to you. There were a few times where I was like,
not, it's like that.
It's a status if you don't, if you can't accept me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best.
And so, so proud of that quite I
think there is a bit there's a little bit of like, hey, like if you but it's driven me my whole lot like when I was a kid, like I wasn't popular, but the way that I gained respect as a kid was, I was like, if you want to be in the 10 video, you need to be you need to,
but then this negotiating into a power game because the opposite is that's okay. I understand where I'm at in this position. I'm gonna she kick it or and we're not there yet. We're not doing a good enough job at communicating.
So that's the point when I respect without people who come on our show now is it's like, they're not doing it in regards to status or Rania, they think they're just doing it because they want to be on and they like it.
500% it there is a point where it becomes
there will be easier but there'll be a time where it's like, you've built a big enough based that it is in people's in their personal interest. Enjoy
a unusual On
the show. And so when I my thought is, is if you can't accept us there are worse you don't deserve our best basically with the idea of if you if you're not going to come on the show now where it might know it is and then when you're ready to, you know, sell your book or whatever, I'm not fucking interested and I'm realised that there's a huge amount of grandiosity and all that sort of shit to it because a bunch of ego, but a little ego. You're aware of it. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's great that you've come on the show. as follows.
We're already friends.
Did you get a little bit of joy in fact that I hadn't unfollowed you? I said to Tommy,
that was a highlight. I said to Tommy, I was like, at least you're still connected with her through me.
Any questions on our live streams gone for
the luxury of not just people saying Hey, what's up? Hey, what's up It's so alright guys. It's a daily talk show hyper daily talk show.com we had a bunch of so we had a video. Our mate Matt D Avella did this video on the 10 year rule. I saw it. Yeah. And everyone was like, how do you guys actually, people think that this is all we do? And they're like, with I think my trust fund kids, unfortunately we we don't have that
would be great to be addressed funding. Yeah.
But what we do do is video production. So if people want video production, send us an email hyper daily talk. show.com It's like employer brand stuff is our thing where it's like people saying why they love with,
like DFO for exam
Yeah, case study style video. I mean, this is a time to full testimonial from
me about your game.
businesses that are human centred, if you've got a story, that's Around humans. And that's why it's like, like invito, a tech company. We did a bunch of stuff with them, because it's like, they've got all this great community. And we can like, celebrate
it in layman's terms. Don't you mean like Red Rooster now doing a, you know, a commercial for Christmas and families because they want to share their family patent. Is that true? No. But it's like the idea of that if you've got human stories that are behind brands,
that's your, I think, yeah, that's very well put, I think it is around stuff, especially with site technology, or e commerce, all these things where it's like, well, you don't have bricks and mortar, you don't actually get to see customers. There's not none of that connection. And so doing those videos where you highlight your customers, so it's like, say if you've got a business where you sell tractors, we can go on to a farm and tell the story about how these Traktor saved them all of this time. And it's not only good for The you know external marketing but then explain to the internal people within your business what your
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Yeah, so I have a daily talk show.com his email address you want to send us an email What? Stacey journey if you just type that in on to Apple podcast your show comes up Yeah, I like the self centred self centred Sunday's Yeah, that's a good benchmark.
What do you got soft serve Sundays.
They go well together.
I don't know what I'm gonna do next year actually, there's a lot of me talking on my shot the moment I got over the because this this kind of style I was seven years. And so it's not that I don't enjoy it, but I was looking for ways to get a message across. So then I just said talking into the microphone. Now I'm bit over that too. So I mean, to me, I'm excited to see what I pull out of there. Put what can I've pulled out of the bag for next year. What about any ice
base. So you're talking a lot about giving yourself space? Yeah. Maybe it's a podcast of silence. Well, initially I went there, but then an extension could be you start off by asking a question. And then they have space for 15 minutes. And then you can sort of like meditation
itself said to Sunday, but then I give them the space and I think about it.
Yeah, it also means you could do an hour podcast with like two minutes of material.
I think people would.
A lot of effort to go to get silence Yeah,
to be honest, but we give them a free 10 seconds of space now. Show Okay, here we go.
Scott pleasant wasn't it's
Stacey space, the daily talk show. Say tomorrow, guys. Hey guys. Bye.