#521 – Zach Sang On The Future Of Radio/
- November 19, 2019
Zach Sang – Radio broadcaster and former Nickelodeon personality
Zach has set the standards for interviewing music stars and celebrities, after completing over 10,000 interviews with the likes of Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, and Shawn Mendes.
Zach represents the next generation of radio, bridging the gap between pop culture, social media and broadcast with the Zach Sang Show, which is heard nightly on over 70 of the largest Pop Radio Stations in America.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Zach’s first home studio
– Why Zach started doing radio
– Westwood One and the American radio landscape
– Being born to do radio
– Being a unique radio show
– Moving to LA
– Being vegetarian
– The LA disconnect
– The curse of comparison
– Australian radio
– Being an IP generator
– The Zach Sang Show
– The future of radio and podcasting
Zach Sang Show: http://www.zachsangshow.com/
Zach Sang Show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAJnnJPeWf45gPDuQ15-Z6w
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It's a daily talk show and we're in Los Angeles and yeah, we're in someone else's studio I feel like we've just gatecrashed yeah Zach sang you can you'll be able to say if you're watching the video there is a massive illuminated sign Yeah. projection. Thank you for having us It makes me feel so good when I see my name
on a wall it's just something about it you know if you don't catch that one there is one there there there there that's why you got a is so disgusting littered with that clearly and no other creative vision for them. But but by the way, I feel like that's what people do.
Especially when it comes to like Radio City. Is there any sort of like studio when you have no creative vision you kind of just put the logo to your thing everywhere. Yeah, I'm so well i think that like the daily talk show way to put it everywhere as well. It's almost a shame right now. I felt like it was a bit much if we all were wearing it. So I decided to do something to
For three yeah missing 90 seconds wearing it as well. But, Zach, you, in my eyes is one of the best interviewers, you've done over 10,010 thousand interviews, which is ridiculous. Yeah, it's some of which like probably a couple hundred, at least in this room on the couch that you're sitting on right now. By the way, this is very weird. I've never done somebody else's show in my life. To be honest, dude, I thought I said to Josh, if he lets us do it in his studio, and that's a massive deal because I mean, I don't know. Wait.
If you come to Australia, I couldn't have asked to say that much. But I understand that it's your safe space. I mean, Josh is sitting with Ariana Grande a was what we saw was Miley. Miley was right side as well. So I'm not gonna lie. You're in the camera spot Joe. You're where most of the storeys in the movie, shoot it right from this corner. Right. And yeah, you're in the prime spot. So what am I on
The drama spot Yeah. Big Band
doesn't talk as much, or Tommy, or caches boot, which he chose to spread out and see my compliments on the cash. It's very comfortable, which is crazy because it's a couch that literally was salvaged from our dumpster. Engineer Craig found this couch in our dumpster. When he found it, the actual bottom was falling through. So if you were to sit in it, like literally hit the bottom, there was no support. He had to put in planks of wood to support it. We fixed it once. And then there was somebody who works here, another engineer. They used to allow their kids and they're not really kids. They're like, mid to late 20s. Adults, they would let their grown adult children come to work with them on the weekends and turn my studio into their video game haven. And they would literally sit on the couch and turn the TV's behind me into video games.
stations now I get it. It would be comfortable doing that. Oh yeah. So comfortable. And one of the bigger guys broke the cow
literally sat on the couch playing video games, the whole thing caved in. And then engineer Craig for a second time had to come in and resurrect the couch. He had bloody fingers. So no pressure, no LAN parties going forward. Yeah, please do not play video games. But know that where you're sitting right now is woven with the blood of engineer Craig Sager. You can smell it, it's dry. It was at the dog.
he farts really bad. I'm so so that's fine. Zach's dog. He's in here. Not just talking about some some guy in the corner.
You're right. Dr. Jake. What was your first home studio? Like describe that? It was my room. Okay. Oh, great question. It was my bedroom. I didn't IKEA desk.
At first I used
A very crappy microphone, I was able to get one great you like great, I mean, crappy professional standards great when it comes to like just a little kid trying to figure it out,
saved my money was able to spend like 120 bucks on a USB microphone. And I just put that on a stand and it was me facing a wall. And behind me was a poster of a monkey wearing headphones. And that is in one of like my first quote unquote promotional pictures for my radio show. And it was all done on one laptop. I didn't even really need a board at first because I started on a platform called blog talk radio and what blog talk radio was was anybody who had an internet or a phone line has the ability to pretty much set up a radio show it what YouTube was for video, this was for radio, so you really didn't need a lot to get it done. But, dude, I mean, I tried to make it feel such like a legitimate radio studio. I remember when I was able to find like one of those arms on the internet. Like what
These are like a crappier version. Definitely not the is. I mean, yeah, I don't know, super squeaky every
time. It's so like, it's hard to put those the shows I did for my bedroom. It's hard to even think about them, because they were real radio, and I need kids every now and then who started listening to my show back 12 years ago. It's just hard to think of those as like legitimate real times, but the truth is like they were and I mean, I use that USB mic plugged into Skype connected to my blog talk radio dashboard, you know, four times a week at 7pm for a year and a half, like when people struggles starting anything 12 years ago, you're pretty young. What was the catalyst to actually start and why doing radio? Why the radio thing for you? Tommy was like friends, man I had
I had no friends.
And I felt very misunderstood. When I was younger, younger when I was in middle school, I had so much fun with my best friend at the time creating a party DJ company. We'd go around, we DJ, all of the middle school, Catholic dance Catholic school dances. So we do the eighth grade dances we do like the graduation parties. I mean, anything that was like, everything from like bingo nights, whatever, a Catholic school in our area of New Jersey needed. We were there to DJ and I just remember the thrill and the escape I had in in helping somebody else put on a stellar Party and the fun I had and helping people escape through music and community which, by the way, like that isn't a great party that is a graduation party. What is it? It's like you're leaving your troubles at the door, you're having food, you're hanging out with people you care about, and you're listening to music, and in that moment, you really get an idea of like what music does to the human body and how it makes somebody feel and the transition from song to song right?
I love doing that in middle school so so much. And then when I started like getting older I just
I felt I lost my my best friend we were we ended up not being best friends as time went on. And I feel I started to feel very misunderstood. Because I also remember at the same time while I was trying to do the party DJ thing, I started a YouTube channel with my friends, my neighbours at the time, and I remember overhearing them. We are trying to shoot a YouTube video and I remember overhearing them say something like, exactly these ideas are too over the top like they're just not good. Like they're not like that whenever he's trying to do like he's just not right I very extra,
extra. And in that moment, I was like, Fuck, man. I feel very misunderstood by people I thought understood me.
And that's how I started making a transition into finding friends and community and in anything that was public and
YouTube wasn't going to be my thing. I always had this longing, this long standing affection and appreciation for radio and the role that radio had played in my life from even earlier. And by the way, like the time I'm talking about right now was like middle school to like freshman year of high school. You know, that transition, which for me was very intense because I went from a school of only 80 kids to a school of 2800 kids and nobody knew me. So feeling like the people I held the closest to me, my two friends Paul and George back there, my neighbours growing up like when I the second I found I felt like they didn't understand me was the second I need to find somebody who did. And for a lot of kids, during that time period, YouTube became an outlet. And for me, it just ended up becoming radio. And I I turned to radio for a friend like that's, that's the simplest answer to your storey. Or your question, I'm sorry, was I just needed a friend and it's turned into a friendship that I never could have imagined. What do you think of some of the things that you think
can bring to YouTube and online that is unique to radio. So
the biggest thing with radio in America for the longest time has been this. I don't know if homogenization is the right word, but it's like very much manufactured. It's very much the same records every 42 minutes every hour. jocks only talk for this little amount of time they only do this, they only do that. And the thing with creating anything on the internet was there are no rules. conversation. Authenticity is what reigns supreme. Being an actual human is what matters. By the way. Radio was the original form of social networking. In my opinion, Calvin Coolidge first use radio fucking back then to get the word out. What is social media now like? Some of the greatest radio shows of all time are built off of one guy saying something and then a tonne of other people calling in what is fucking Twitter
And then you just wait for people to respond, yeah, that everybody has the potential to host their own version of a radio show. So what I realised really quickly back. So, Jason, I moved out of my bedroom, about a year and a half to two years into making radio. And I go to this digital radio startup. And it's just a whole different way of thinking it was taking traditional radio and matching it, mixing it with this digital mindset of
there are no rules. It's the Wild West. Quality Matters. User Experience matters. Like all things that radio hadn't really thought about for a long time. You know, even how like we would get commercials across like, we were just rethinking all of that. So creating digital radio. I that's what my whole FM radio show is built on. Like nothing has really changed. Yeah, the only thing that's changed are my mechanics of my show. Like I name check and I tease forward what
The same authenticity it's the same no rules. It's It's literally the same everything, but it's exactly what radio was missing. Radio was missing authenticity, radio got very used to having four year old men. balding in Bowling shirts trying to relate to 16 year old female. Yeah. And it just,
there's no way that works in the online age, people want everything. People want to know who you are from all sides, you know. And even now, like artists, people who make music, the audience demands a deeper relationship, a deeper understanding of who they are. And a radio is a companion medium. It's a friend by nature, your ears are so delicate. I mean, what is a conversation? What are your ears, I mean, when you think about who you let access to that sort of stuff, like that's a personal relationship, and that's what radio is. So the second that I think people realised that they couldn't keep up with
What this authentic generation required was the second that like they gave in to the corporate mandates of five second talk breaks, play the same song every hour. No personality read this line. Do you understand? Yeah, absolutely. And so we've been trying to sort of figure out the landscape here in LA Australia's got quite a strong radio. Understanding I did a couple of years on radio in a town called Shepperton where they you know, a bunch of these rural or like sort of regional towns have their own sort of ratio Breakfast Show and so I hosted the Breakfast Show and then the the nighttime show the afternoon was syndicated from the biggest city for Westwood One, the company this this building were in how does it fit into the American radio landscape so
it supplies quality content to radio stations, you need it well at the same time having the potential to fill 24 hours
The programming for signals that require it. Westwood One is like a one is a one stop shop for all things content to fill any sort of radio station you may have from the NFL and getting sports games on your sports radio stations to if you have a pop radio station and you need a nighttime radio show because you either have to cut costs or the radio show that's been in there before us isn't doing what it needs to do. When someone has the ability to fill it. You know what's in one is just
some vehicle to get great content out to radio stations and to radio groups you need it. That's what we are. The one thing that I think is really cool that our show you does, and I hope that they keep this is a local morning show. I know syndication is changing radio as a whole. But it's not a negative thing, at least here in the states that shouldn't be seen as a negative thing. A lot of times there's a lot of content that we have the ability to generate every day that a local radio show may not have the potential to do that. Plus, we
You also have the ability to connect and relate and do all the things that a great radio show that's in a community has the ability to do. And I think national radio, the right sort of national radio has the ability to work its way within a radio station where the two work together for each other. Do you get what I'm saying? I am, I believe in local morning shows totally hundred percent. I don't want to
people deserve to wake up with their neighbours. They also deserve to go to sleep at their neighbours.
I'm just as much as somebody neighbour in Fort Wayne, Indiana, as the morning show in Fort Wayne, Indiana. We're all human beings. At the end of the day, we all share this planet. We all share this country while driving the same roads. We all pass presidents and futures. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Did you find that in your hometown? Did you feel limited with where you could go with with your career? I was so lucky man because I grew up right outside of Manhattan. I grew up 25 miles outside of it.
I don't know, there's like growing up outside of New York made it seem like anything was possible. Yeah, because I just had to figure out how to get there. And I couldn't drive for most of the beginning of my radio career. So it's like taking trains and weird places and taking the fucking bus at the middle of the night. Like, just weird stuff. Sorry, just started my dog. And I add a fear that he stopped breathing. Very, like pushing with my foot. And he's
just, he's just relaxed. He's like living this crazy.
one thing we've sort of grasp a sense over here is that you can think big, and there's a chance of eating big growing up going to school. Is that what the other kids are thinking? Are you thinking I can make it in Hollywood? I think now it's different. I think my generation of millennials, a lot of the my peers, followed by the traditional rule book, which was you go to school, you go to college, you do.
Well in your essay tease, then you go to college then you get a job you pay off your debt, whatever like that's, that's the path. Then there were a few people within my generation and I, maybe I'm one of them maybe I'm not only history will be able to tell that storey that went against that grain and made it clear to the generation that was coming next that they could do it too. And I think people like that are Ariana Grande day, the David Oberg so the world, anybody who is successful today that said, Yo, I'm not going to do what society is laid out in front of me. I'm going to do what I feel in my heart and I'm going to follow my passion and follow what I feel like
I'm good at and destined to do, and the Internet has changed the world because everybody has the ability to get out there and do something. You know, before Ariana Grande day was Ariana Grande day she was filming videos on YouTube singing covers Justin Bieber, Shawn Mendez. I mean there's so many people that have
that have shown the generations that are coming up what they can do with this technology that they're now born into. We weren't born into this phone, and to YouTube, we had to figure this out. We had to say, yo, people who want me to go right, right is not the direction for me. I have something new to figure out. And left is where I want to go. Well, these are all self starters. Do you feel a sense of
You got lucky by I mean, you you love the thing, right? You decided to turn on the microphone and start recording your own internet radio show. But it's also like, imagine if you didn't do that. Do you have those moments? We like? I didn't if I didn't just if you didn't have a USB mic.
If you didn't want to find the friends you know, lonely is having a terrible existence in a grocery store. And you're right like I I don't.
It's weird. I don't think about those moments.
Because I genuinely
every fibre of my being, I feel like I was destined to do what I'm doing. I feel like I was meant to do this. And maybe that's a fucked up way to think.
I don't know if there's anything else I can do. Yeah. And as I progress in this world, it becomes even more and more clear to me that this is what I this is what I've been meant to do. I meet people all the time, who are more famous than me different types of influencers, whatever, and everybody's talking about like, you know, I don't want to interview people, I don't want to do that everybody wants to be the star. Everybody wants to everybody wants to be the focus. Everybody wants to be the centre of attention. And at the end of the day, all I want to do is be able to live my life with people I care about over the radio, and that's my audience and my friends in the studio. And I also want to be the vehicle for people's storeys.
I want to be the eyes and the ears. For the normal person who's just hanging out at home or driving in their car. nobody really wants to do that. It's not cool to be that guy. He's a funny look, but I feel like it's changing. I think podcasting. You know, obviously, it's been around for a bunch of time I remember like 2005 the this week in tech and all that sort of like the Leo Laporte and all that sort of thing and consuming Digg nation, all these different podcasts. It feels like this is a new generation of podcasting that started in the last two years where it's gone a little bit mainstream. What What's your relationship with the mainstream?
What is the mainstream any? Yeah, well, that's what I'm trying to figure out. I guess they resent. It's more confusing over here too. Because, one, we don't have something like this. Yeah. But anybody can do a podcast.
What's going on? Anybody has the ability to grab a mic.
Do it, by the way, like, again, that's the difference, like what I was talking about and the generational differences, right? millennials had to forge it and figure it out. Whereas now there's a whole template. They sell kids on how to podcast within 10 minutes. You know, anybody can get a podcast up and running, literally anybody. So
I think it's amazing. But what it's going to end up doing is the cream is going to have to start rising to the top, but at the same time, how do you do but but does the cream that rise to the top? Is that what you determine as a mainstream podcast? You got I mean, yeah, he was 1000 true fans, it's like finding your audience like do you find because in some ways, the people that you have on you have the biggest stars in the world with your show, so I was baby which is no couch. Yeah.
And so there's this part of that which is like when you have the big a listers that you have
On that does lean towards. That's mainstream again. Yeah. And so like, because that would be interesting because there's almost a bit of pressure there, which is like, if you go on YouTube and you type in Justin Bieber, you'll watch it. You know, people are watching your interviews which the pressure is on. We are I feel like podcasts, certain podcasts have the ability, depending on what it is you can build a podcast for anything. Yeah, anybody and everybody can find their audience. Right. Which you did state and I think that's the most important thing is like, the most niche podcast if you have an idea, you gotta go for it. But don't get discouraged if your podcast is not being heard by millions of people, hundreds of thousands of people. If you have a concept, go for it. If it's about you know, ninjas. I'm telling you, there's other people out there that want to talk about ninjas with you. Yeah. Or if it's I don't know about dogs pause. There's people who will discuss at length.
You feel passionate. Do you find that you're in a time that because
There's so much change. I mean, if you go on YouTube, there's not many people that have the studio that you have the production value, do you feel the pressure of this is a unique opportunity where no one's fucking doing this and I can submit our position in this did.
I believe that nobody's ever going to be able to do injuries the way we do injuries because we come at it very uniquely, I think great radio shows can ever be duplicated, because what is a great radio show, if not the lives of people that are on Mike, unless you're going to start living in my footsteps and wearing my clothes, our shows are going to be different. Yeah, you don't look at a conversation and an interview, ie or a subject. Nobody's going to look at it the way I'm going to look at it because it's fueled by my experiences. It's fueled by the way I communicate, which I do believe is unique to what we do. So to your point. I believe we have something here that is very unique and very different, but unique in a way
way that is not revolutionary. Interviews have been around since the beginning of time. And guess what? The way we're all going to find out that the world is officially over is most likely through an interview. One guy asking another person, Hey, what's going on with our planet? It'll be a Zach sang show exclusive.
I don't know if it's,
I just, I feel like we have a duty to keep injuries cool and to keep injuries relevant to entirely new generation of people. And I also have an obligation I feel to keep radio relevant to a whole generation of people. So as long as we're doing those two things, then we're doing our job right. But I do believe that there is a lot of pressure because
right now a lot of people look at us as a very trusted source for information. And the truth isn't every everybody out there doesn't watch every
Single interview we do, they come to us for the people they care about. But when they come, they're expecting the best. They're expecting to get to know that person on a really human level in ways that nobody else can bring it out. That's just the truth. And that is a lot of pressure, man. So, I mean, that's external pressure. What about internal pressure for you? What do you are you hard on yourself? I mean, yes and no, yes, totally. I watch my own injuries. And I do I give myself a tonne of notes. There was like, one of the biggest, most impactful notes that was like, I realised that I was saying, Yeah, and it was a realisation that came maybe a year ago, year and a half ago. And it's like, you don't need to verbally cue someone that you care. You can, you know, I don't need to tell somebody that I'm focused into what they're saying. I can show that I'm into it. Only you only work out when you have a mic, because you'll constantly do it in a conversation. So until you hear yourself back
It's like, you trying to get a snippet? Yeah. And he's saying yes. It's like, I can't use this snippet. Great.
Right. You gotta listen back. Yeah. But the other thing she was like,
I want you to prep for so many interviews in a week. And right now, where you for three to four, we want to up that to five or six. So it's more about being able to turn out a lot of prep. Because that's the other thing too is like when guests come on. We get a lot of guests because they watch other celebrities do interviews. Like Diplo comes on after watching Justin Bieber or logic comes on after watching Big Sean, like, like there's a lot of hype and then an artist comes on. And then they come on again. It's like, they want you to ask great questions. They want you to know things about them that nobody else is going to pull out. And it's like, Dude, it's a lot of pressure and a lot of prep that goes into that type of stuff. And then so when they some of the big names is their users
Host that's looking to see who could pop or who's coming up that you're that you want to sort of support always because always Alec Benjamin is an incredible artists. If you haven't heard of him, you need to check him out. He is an incredible storyteller, one of the greatest storytellers of my generation. And he's amazing. He's just superb. And he was an artist that came on like the show for the first time like a year ago. And but I met him maybe two and a half years ago playing at a coffee shop. And now he's touring all over the world. Incredible artist had a hit let me down slowly. I mean, there's a lot of artists that
we have an obligation in radio to
stay a tastemaker. It's the only way we continue to keep music relevant and allow for new artists to rise, you know? So you need to keep your ear to the freakin ground and understand what's going on and be able to when you hear a great record, feel compelled
To share it, and also feel obligated to share it. Because I'm a firm believer in pop radio has a tendency to sound very much the same. And pop radio has an obligation to really be a mix of all of the different records from all the different genres. Like it's popular for a reason we're pulling from all the different genres to create one, not cohesive, but one sound of the now that's pops job. And when music sounds too much the same, your brain kind of tunes out, you know, all the BPM is around the same, like you don't register the difference. We have an obligation to search out music that is different. So if we have a playlist right now that is to rhythm heavy or to electronic heavy, we need to seek out live instruments, you know, we should look for music that might lead more alternative or slower songs like Louis Capaldi. I mean, there's a lot of we have an obligation to stay different to stay fresh and, yeah, I keep my year.
There you got it. Like Fuck, yeah. What was your first month like, in LA?
Terrible, lonely, lonely. I moved here five years ago. It's soft, man. La La. It's a very lonely place. I think. I think I don't know, like, maybe it's instil it's isolating and insulting because I make it that way well, radio like I feel like I feel like I got a radio Brian. I feel like a bit of a misfit. I think a lot of radio people feel like slot like there's something comfortable about being behind a mic in the studio, and not having to be at parties and not being amongst all that sort of stuff to do. How does that fit in with the the LA lifestyle? It's like weird if I brought Dan in here, and I gave my answer that I believe is genuine. The nlb like you're lying, you love attention. You love all these things. The truth is I hate parties and I don't dig that vibe, but it is a part of the way it works here. At least and you got to get out there and
Meet people and network but at the same time I've also reached this weird place where I believe that our work is good enough and our if our work is good enough and stays to this level and beyond it will touch the eyes that it needs to touch and we don't need to network as much is dude I used to not turn down a single invitation So what was the first month black men
so I was lonely what we actually doing
a bunch yeah a lot of in and out a lot more Del Taco to be delta I haven't had Delta I've just gone vegetarian cuz I was game changes that great documentary. Do you like the meatless lifestyle? Well, it's it's hard because normally you know Dickies here in the US like this. It's like McDonald's, but like barbecue it's fucking delicious. I'm sure it's trash.
But I love it. Yeah, but there's I feel like when I come to the US, I'm always having BBQ. And so it's been different. Having to like beings and like
Like, I love Mexican food, so it's just getting the veggie option. Let's talk. Let's talk about you for a second. So how long have you been a vegetarian? How many? That's been three weeks.
Five years. I really Yeah, I love meatless lifestyle. Okay, because we're in the golden age of vegetarianism. Yeah, we have the ability to get meat that tastes like meat that easy. Meat we on the Adjust getting that in Australia. Yeah, like the impossible burger stuff. non existent is coming. We've got something that's similar, but we had the impossible burger the other day. I feel like with my shit, but like I feel like I was like, What smells like funky and I was thinking like, and there was no dog around.
That's called healthy
How does that feel? Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting I mean, I'm still getting used to the American toilets as well so I can be proud of it. It's a watch out might suck you in. By the way, like it is crazy. I have a lot of Australian friends by a lot. I feel like I have a lot but probably they all hate me.
You guys get everything so slow. It takes so long to get things
because Americans complain about the 14 hour slot. It takes a long time. It's a long slot but like booze for you is so expensive. Ridiculous. Made in Australia. Yeah. And still, then it's everything's going to tie. Yeah, we have a really high tax for our call.
It's because we get the Australians get pretty loose.
What about guy Sebastian? She's still cool down there. Yeah, he's great. He's, he's been on the show. How do you know on your show? Oh, he's been on your show. Yeah, I mean, I remember coming here. 2012. Great year.
Amazing. Guys. I just remember that song playing everywhere. Well, I was I used to be digital content producer for a show called Fifi and jewels. And they did a I know them. Yeah. Well, they did the big. I filmed the Ed Sheeran passenger, no diggity cover, to remember. Yeah. And the thing is like your honour
that was a
really good hand now but yeah I remember it was also there was another song that felt like that was popping he didn't want like around gold because around the Olympics but he's love him love to go yeah I always wonder where he's at I was just gonna pull up a guy he's laying his factor he's been like EG
or whatever ripped doing all of that Christian boy yet so what do you what do you wait What do you like what you see on the video yeah on the video thing oh I eat a lot of fake me bro a lot of impossible lot of this brand called guardi like black beans yeah black music is a good feeder like yeah the impossible me like it's what's in it? Well it's like scientific
what's in your meat is actually no i think i think we made Don't think too much
Networking thing living in the city, because we've met cab drivers, people at Whole Foods, everyone seems like they're grinding. They want to get there. They all got a script. And so what's the, I can imagine that first sort of period of time you hear? The the mindset is, I need a network network network.
Here was my mindset. Do a great radio show because the transition between us coming from New York to here, so in a nutshell,
I go from my bedroom to this internet radio startup called boom. Then I go to Nickelodeon. I worked for Nickelodeon for like two and a half years. So what were you doing at Nickelodeon? I was like, I host the Knicks orange carpet. So I did worldwide airplay Choice Awards. It was like movie vignettes, called interstitial programming. Did you ever get slimed? No, but I find somebody I can't grow. You know, watch a lot of people. Like Obama, right, go get him.
I wouldn't went to a Hollywood Hills party.
Then went back to Drake's place with a bunch of people. Oh, and you know, the thing the thing me my mate, were laughing so hard because all on the wall was the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards and was like, This is so funny. Look at them all. I mean, there was a lot of them. I'll give him that was that show? Only award he
was that Nickelodeon show where the people would have to climb up the thing and you'd get the mountain like a big Legends of the Hidden gem? Yeah, it was and I'm trying to think of the night there was it wasn't legends. It wasn't that one. It was a one where it's like a glow in the dark. Like it was like, like mid 90s I can't remember it's gonna fucking annoy me. gots to remember Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you're using Nickelodeon? Sorry, I missed it. I By the way, that's the Nickelodeon there was a couple Golden Ages Nickelodeon there that you just the man to show man to show drinking. Josh? Yeah. And I Caerleon victorious. I don't know where it's at right now. I don't really follow it.
Clean and then Cal. He loves orange soda.
I do. I do. I do.
I love him so much. He's on Dancing with the Stars now kill Mitch. Oh, he's killing it. He has a whole. He's thriving. I was at Nickelodeon did the orange carpet thing,
worked within the offices for a while, and then I ended up starting an independent FM radio show. So I took everything from digital radio, some of the stuff that I learned from a collodion and I started with my same digital radio crew that was at Google with me. I started an independent FM radio show. So we started a radio show and then we would literally go to each individual programme director, and all these different radio stations across the country. And we'd be like, Hey, are you looking for a night show? Because we got a night show for you. So what do people pay for syndication? Like what's like a rise? Okay, yeah, sure. We we have inventory so we get commercial time every hour? And so then you have to sell the time. Yeah. So we sell the commercial time. Yeah. And we have to sell to get on the radio station. Are you getting on the phone calls?
Yes. Oh, who's me and this one another woman. He's one of my best friends. Listen, we tag teamed it. It was pretty cool. Because I have a script What was it? No script. That's passion, baby passion, passion and authenticity, which by the way has been like the thickest common thread to everything I've ever done. I don't feel I I think I'm very lucky to genuinely feel like the same me sits behind this mic is the same exact person that like talks to you makes it so easy, doesn't it? Oh, my God.
the greatest blessing. Yeah. Which by the way back to what you're talking about earlier, further heightens why I really believe that it was meant to do this because I'm just myself like, I don't need to put anything on. Yeah. It's too hard. Otherwise, totally. And also, like people know, yeah, people. In this day and age, people know. Yeah, that's it. So I know this is jumbled man. This is gonna This is how we don't we end up we
Love we love a good tangent. So you when it comes, did you need funding like to stop the FM thing like what is the licence collected, you have to get like an FM licence. One partner that did it with me. And then we went to this company called dial global at the time, which is the company that we're in now, which is Westwood One. And they came on to do like our distribution, and then they would do some of the ad sales too. But we had to pick up all the radio stations on our own. And we went from literally zero radio stations. We got our first station a weekend. It was a clean v radio station extreme on a seven one, Dubuque Iowa and we went from zero radio stations to like 25 rising and then Westwood One, bought the show, put us on all of the cumulus radio stations. So you brought our total like around 60 and then move this out to LA. So the first month of being in LA with me,
dude, we went from my entire life for these ginormous transitions like from elementary middle school. It's been with 82
Kids to then being with 2800 kids. We worked in this crappy radio studio in New York doing this radio show that we got to like 25 new affiliates. We worked off a board that had three pods. Dude, we used to when we play music, we had to click it on a mouse to play every song. Like we were working, bare bones to nothing. And then we ended up here in LA, in this radio studio. That was huge with this giant board and all this new technology that we had no idea how to use. And then nobody was here to teach us any of it. We only had four days between when we landed and our first day that we were going to be on 60 radio stations. So the goal was to figure out how the fuck do we go on the air? Yeah, we figured it out. Eventually. We got on the air and my first month was a lot of transition was figuring out this whole new normal and figuring out all this new technology. And this new team I add and these new programme directors and this new executive
Teen I have to answer to and I mean, the first month in LA was just more of understanding and learning what our new reality was going to look like. And then from that moment on, it's been not letting la get to me because LA is not America. La is not the struggle that a normal person goes through. So I tried to stay away from as much of the Hollywood lifestyle as humanly possible, because I don't want to be polluted by it. Because at the end of the day, I'm just a 26 year old dude, he's a virgin. He's just trying to live life and figure it out. And I'm not Hollywood. I'm a normal kid from New Jersey. He just happens to live here. Now. How does that like get to? I mean, LA is the potential to get to a lot of people. I don't let it get to me in a sense that is that the ego is that the vanity? People are very selfish. There's no camaraderie on the streets. And it's a very isolated city from the way it's just built. Right. So there's no public transportation here. I mean, there is but nobody uses it. So right off the bat. We are it's an in
Isolated city. Like we don't share anything as a city, where when I'm in New York City it doesn't matter who you are. You could be Sarah Jessica Parker or me you're still getting on the subway to get around to it I'm saying Yeah, like that one act in a day the fact that we all share a sidewalk empathy builder Yes. Yeah. makes all the difference was thinking like it is a bubble, right? You look up at the hills and you see these mansions and I was thinking, if you just leave up there and you pop down or you send someone down to Whole Foods to get your groceries, you're leaving this like utopian life You don't know that there's this struggle. And so it's this lonely but yeah, you might be lonely, but there's a disconnect from your reality and the reality that plagues America. Yeah. And and through that people have a tendency to just, I don't know, just forget who they are. Forget that they're normal. Forget that. They have a past present future they live breathe just like everybody else. And not to mention the party lifestyle. The drugs that you see people get sucked up and spat out
Yeah happens all the time like you.
At the end of the day, the only thing that's going to last is authenticity, and being you and being being true, but also not losing where you've come from and where you want to go. And la has the ability to distract and pollute somebody's path. I just, I'm only here, because there's more room for us to have a studio and my company and have as much real estate in New York City. That's the only reason I'm here. And so what do you what are you looking forward to?
I don't know. I don't know. What am I looking forward to? As in? Do you look to the future and go this is where I want the Zach sang show to be or? I don't know, I want six dogs. Oh, I definitely want a lot of dogs to make money to have a dog.
And then I want to give back at the end of the day. What is radio? It's a friend, right? We have a public licence. We have an obligation to serve the community and to give back to the community.
I just want to make radio relevant. I want to be able to tell people's storeys and be the vehicles for people's storeys and being be the eyes and ears for everybody out there and then be able to use that to give back to the communities that we're really lucky to serve. So, I, where wherever
wherever I need to be to make all that happen is where I'll be, you know, I wish I had a more exciting answer. You guys easy you're not suffering the curse of comparison, right? Like I think you could look to your left and see successful Jimmy over here and I think I want that. But you kind of living in your own. There's, there's enough for everybody. And again, like, as long as I do get annoyed sometimes where I where I see people, I'm like, oh, they're totally copying us or they're trying to be like, whatever, that that has hit me. But like, I can't stop that. And at the end of the day, that's just flattering, what we're doing work. So let me do more of a work.
Which is just be myself and be more researched and diligent and interviews and come up with different games to play with my friends on the air. I mean, I don't know, like, where you drop the ball looking if you're looking at someone else's.
Yeah, you know? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you're right, because you get distracted by what what person number two is doing? And then you just got to be focused on what you're doing. Just be you. I don't know I
competition is good at the end of the day, because at least it keeps you comfortable. And I do believe being comfortable is kinda like the weird kiss of death. You know, because you got to kind of stay sharp and even though like, even if you're not comparing yourself to everybody else around you, you don't want to you don't want to be lost innovation. Do you? I'm saying how do you make How do you make friends like you were talking about the struggles younger with friendships, I'm guessing being in a new city.
In entertainment, it can't be any easier. It's different. I have a lot of friends I've had for a long time and entertainment that I hold very close to my heart. Like a lot of friends that have been around for like 10 years now you have to reconcile like because I know like working media people come and go and this is like we'd
friendship on air. And sometimes you're wondering like, is this transit like real? Is this real
thing you're doing is building rapport quickly. Yeah. And the way trains right now. I mean, we could be greyed if you want. Yeah, that'd be fun.
Did you have even me?
Funny enough, I was wanting, I wanted to be a presenter, TV presenter, okay. And my mate said to me, He who was who's a successful TV presenter back in the day, you need to pick up a camera and stop filming and doing your own thing. Getting out there.
They're doing pieces to camera. And so I did that. And one of those times, I was working for a friend of mines business, and I said, I'll do some presenting at this thing that you're doing. And Josh was the guy filming. Yeah, that would have been like 2009 Oh, that was when we first met. But then we sort of went off on our own journeys. And I did the radio thing Josh did filmmaking, which you'd been doing, and the digital content. And then it all sort of came back around when I left radio, and wanted to be a filmmaker. And so I reached out to Josh because I knew that he did that stuff. And we had a coffee together and talked about, you know, starting my own thing, and he was telling me about what he was doing. And I guess the start, we'll talk talking about video. And then we're saying all YouTube is trying to do podcasts, and now really struggling to keep up the schedule, like people drop the ball with podcasts. And I like fact, like video is hard. Like, it's hard for us to do video constantly and be publishing and also running, you know, businesses that have corporate clients.
And so we said, okay, well, we've been chatting every day on the phone for an hour talking about, you know, how much to charge and all those types of things. It's like, why don't we do a podcast? And then the daily talk show.com was available. What's that? Well, it has to be timely.
Yeah, I mean, how many things have been done purely based on domain?
And so yeah, I mean, we've done over 500 episodes. And so now we've got our business together. We have Mr. 97. Full time who works for us? Is that your name? Is that the year you were born? No, it's not the
fake year he was born because he's only 20. So we say he was born. Because that would mean he's 22. But no, but the actual reason is because in in Victoria in the state that we're in, in Australia, at the end of the year in the 12, you get what's known as an inter school or an ita, which is sort of like the, what do they call it necessarily grade school.
You get so yeah, whatever. Yeah. And Tommy didn't finish high school I barely scraped through. But look where we
missing 97 it was out of 100 he did very well and so that stuck with him. So you're the smartest of the three. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Madison there. And so, what's your relationship with Australian radio? What do you what do you listen to of Kyle and Jackie? Yeah, yeah. Amazing. Yes. Right. Yes. JOHN Australia. Yeah. Maybe the biggest radio show in the world? Yeah, maybe they're on their way. I'd say call had a they had a billboard. It was Kyle's dream to get a billboard in LA. Well, I had one recently. I don't want to fuck with him. But it was a digital Billboard.
Digital billboard for a second two seconds by a real one.
afford it? What about Ozzy's over here? I feel like there needs to be more there's not enough. Yeah. What about us? We should do a radio show here. It excites me hearing about the the scalar
This, this country, just the 26 station, you know, syndication, like that blows my mind I was on one radio station within Victoria of maybe six, four different companies like it's so small in comparison but what's what's the cash like? So Tommy euro and what was it 530 thousand dollars. So that's, that's all I got for a full time did you're making more than people I have on my team? Yeah. And so from a from a talent point of view, is it like do you run it like your own business or is it very much like you're an employee? There's so many different ways to do it. Yeah, I'm an employee. That's how it works this time around who knows what's going to be in the future? But I'm not gonna lie to you. Yeah, there's not a tonne of money in radio right now. Radio is suffering from a branding problem. Radio has the potential to rebrand so what about fucking howard stern How is it like, I mean, he's a outlier. Okay, so there's two different ways to look at it right. Howard is an IP generator, content generator, Sirius XM.
creates content they generate IP, a majority of radio here in the states is essentially putting stuff out there that is never going to be repurposed on demand. Right? Think about it. It's, you know, 9575. But it's just this music. It's not evergreen. Well, that's one of the things that I say you don't want is forever. And that's what I think that we've tried to do with the daily talk show is we have huge databases with transcribed every one of our 500 shows. So Mr. 97 can pick up things that like when we're doing our highlights of Episode 500 was heaps of fun because we have all of this content that we can pull upon. So you have to transcribe all now we've got it. We've got an AI. ai ai. robot. Exactly. But what
so how you thinking about that, though, in regards to like IP? Why do you feel like you're in the IP generation game? Yeah, yeah, I mean, we the injuries are a biggest form of Ip Man like I at the end of the day, those injuries are not about
Me, the people that sit on the couch and I get a chance to talk to you and get to know and I get to know them on behalf of everybody else.
They will stand the test of time those conversations will be around God willing. After Mr. 97 and all of us are long gone and our kids are long gone because the helped shape the way people perceive artists and get to know artists and they help right pop culture history and the cells have you thought about inserting yourself more into the or or even having not within the interviews necessarily, but their own own bits where it is more about you and your life and what you're doing. I feel like that's the next step for our YouTube channels. Because a lot of people want to get to know who we are. Nobody gets to know us. Nobody gets to understand my great dog, Lou.
us. He looks so beautiful right now.
Thank you for listening. And yeah, so sorry.
I mean, the other thing too, when you started, you're young, you don't have much of a life to talk about, hey,
the face. So now that you just wants to lick you and give you a bite, sorry, now that you're 26 like you're trying to live more of a life. So is that part of it to? You actually have to share? Yeah, dude, my radio show is full of my entire life my entire existence. Yeah, we're gonna start shooting more the actual radio show and putting it up on YouTube. That's what we're saying. Like, we don't get the we're trying to position it or? Yeah.
Yeah, we were wondering, we say all the YouTube content and that's sort of the lens that we view. Is there a lot of stuff that we're on the radio? Yeah, totally. We do five hours of content and night Really? A lot of we feel five hours, five days, six days a week. Is that anywhere online that we can you can only stream it. That's okay. I think we're gonna I was telling you before about all the new cameras are getting, it's all going to be like we have a whole behind this wall right here. There's
actual, like, control room, and we're gonna be able to control the different cameras in this room. Yeah, everything's gonna be up. We're gonna be able to shoot everything top to bottom. It's so hard though, isn't it? Like, did you say Bobby bones like their studio studio? It's fucking hard to do well, without it feeling like a specialty. I love you and I know you tried to copy my studio.
Yeah, it feels like he's too too far away. I love him. Yes. One of the greatest radio personalities ever.
Yes, revitalise Country radio, the better. You're amazing. You probably never see this. But I feel like you know that I love you.
But the studio is beautiful. That sounds great. Lewis, can you be polite?
Fun. He's fun. He's looking cute as he did a great job with the studio. Yeah, I guess position is so far. Yeah. And by the way, it doesn't just look far it feels far. Yeah, but do we feel far right now. Now I feel I think it's a physical feels good any further
I mean, we're used to being this close to each other. So yeah, well the thing is that the craziness of where what we have at the moment because we haven't got the multi cams in our, in our studio, we're doing a little bit of neck turning which ad which changes the dynamic, but the dream is to be able to, you know, be able to be across and having a good conversation. You look pretty comfortable. I'm extremely Yeah, basically activated, or
do you think about doing on the road shows like so we're in LA at the moment, like, do you think about, you know what, I want to do a stint in Sydney or Melbourne? Yeah, we thought about it. We used to show for one summer A few years ago, maybe eight years ago. Every Friday for an entire summer we did our show from the listeners house. Take the whole on the road setup and I would set it up myself. I was a Vice President and President video club for three years in high school and that allowed me to understand like the bare requirements, the bare metal
requirements of what it takes to like set something up. Yeah, XLR ins and outs and all that kind of shit. And I was able to set up our on the road or on the road set up in like 1015 minutes and we did it
too many shows from kids houses, and there's just a lot of variables.
I don't find a thrill in doing the show from a different location and having to figure out things around you like I like being in my space and being in my universe and knowing that like when I'm gonna get my headphones are proper and I just like being control variables. What are some of those controllable so for instance, you've got a big guests coming in. Everything from like smell the room, what they're hearing to where the cameras are going to have music pumping when they come out? No, no music when they come in. We're mostly already ready to go. Who's coming in today? Nobody today Jay Park is a K pop star. He was supposed to come in tomorrow. Today. He didn't come in.
horn calls us tomorrow on the phone. The sky Eric nom, who's another K pop artists. He's coming by tomorrow. And then we're launching today an interview with water parks. They're really cool band. They're kind of new. Yeah. Speaking of new music, they are somebody that we're never going to play on the radio and get out there because they're kind of very like vintage pop punk five that has kind of gotten missing. Yeah, so yeah, we have a lot we have a decent amount of guests coming in. We're going to have more soon. Yeah, but to your point of like variables that need to be controlled. Yeah, it's everything dude. It's like where do they guess go? Who are they seeing? Where is the eyeline? Because think about it. Like everything matters in a in a long form composition. What about the greeting? So sometimes I used to get huge amounts of anxiety if I said a hug a handshake a kiss fucking drive me crazy. Did I do nothing? Or
depending on the guests, like if they come to me, I'll come
over like this. And if it's somebody that I care about, like I'll make it known to them that like I'm getting up to hug you. So it was a great
So you won't you won't be at the door No, but you're okay you'll see that you're doing the thing very again like I can very few have been like at the door to bring somebody are you guys doing do produces you guys doing phones and stuff like not doing the interviews? Yeah the interviews are recorded separately from the actual radio show because they long form of them you chop them up for the for the radio show right here. The YouTube gets in its entirety. So it's like an hour 40 minutes. None of the conversations are usually less than 30. So, yeah, I have producers one producer walks him and get some setup here. Dan is sitting here to my left. Ricky's over there kind of in the middle, and then we put their team behind us. Yeah, love sacks. AKA like beanbag. Yeah, so it's like Was it 230 here in LA what's what's the rest of the day look like for you. I have to go cut the countdown for tonight show. Got to do some promos and a couple of commercials. And then we launched the radio show live at four o'clock West Coast, which is seven o'clock east coast. And then
We'll go live till midnight. So I'll be here answering phone calls running the show. So you'll get live. Oh, combination. Yeah. A lot of the show was recorded in the morning, then all the live phone calls in the show's actually operate live at night. That's cool. It's a hybrid. Yeah, it's kind of complicated, way too complicated and not as complicated as already needs to be. But in terms of what we need to do at our current technological limitations, it's the only way to do it seems like so it's an exciting time. It feels like in the next five years, you think about where podcasting is going, you say where all of this the opportunities like smart speakers is such a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of the market, just single where it could, all this stuff could eventually go good. possibilities are endless, and content is always going to be king. Yeah, so long as you can create great content, whether that's audible content, or visual content, you will stay relevant, and you're gonna have a home and I do think that over the next few years, the way
Radio gets the people is definitely gonna change. The delivery systems may change but the integrity of the brand and the nobility of the brand and the personalities are on the radio station. They're never gonna go away. Yeah, you know, just because
your local radio station in Kansas City doesn't need to go anywhere. Just because Wi Fi is now entered your car. Yeah, it's just that that radio station might sound a little bit clear, a little bit better. Yeah. And the brands on that radio station. I don't know you might be able to interact with them on a deeper level. So radio, where we're going is incredibly exciting, at least here in America. And I feel like it's just as exciting elsewhere. To be honest, I think most radio stations in Australia sound better than radio stations here in America. What about radio personalities that don't like the idea of filming and they gonna have to get used to it?
It depends on what you want to do. I think
why Wi Fi in the car is the first step of autonomous vehicles is this
Second step. So if you're not driving your car, why do you need to listen to something when you can watch it?
And in my mind,
all of these different social media platforms are just places for content to go. And if you're creating content in a studio,
why not figure out how to take that one piece of content, and work it to as many platforms as humanly possible? But we have people who just watch snippets on Instagram of us. Yeah, but they still feel like they are consuming our show. Totally. So why not feed them with stuff? Yeah, you have the content it exists. So why not feed them? And by the way, like those same people who get used to watching your Instagram stuff, they're the same people who will eventually click on the link in your bio, start listening to more. So sure, I feel like if you're creating content, like why not figure out how to get that one piece of content out to as many different people as possible. In order to touch as many people as possible, you need to be on me on as many platforms as possible.
So, Zach, thanks so much, Mike for coming on the show and being so generous. I've talked so much I'm so glad that this is this is exactly what you meant to do when you're a guest.
I hate it.
I don't do these ever. I really, really appreciate it. You hit me up and I'm like, I'd like Australia
saying this morning, I reckon a year and a half time two years time. It'll change with podcasters reaching out to people we won't be able to get access like yeah, it's a very unique time whereas it would have been having you would have been annoyed 50 50,000 tonnes by that Yeah, like oh my god, you're fucking that number of
the question is like, what do you want for radio? What do you want for podcast? Do you want it to be this wild west where anybody can do it. Louis, what the heck are you
Fine. What do you what do you what do you want? Do you want to be a wild west right now I can do it. I mean, I think similar to you. I mean the cream rises to the top. We just have to get
getting better and better. We have video production backgrounds. So that's a competitive advantage that we have. Also, we love the authenticity. So we love just being ourselves. And so it becomes a lot easier. Part of our show is it's probably 30% guests 70% just us and so what we're trying to do is building our personalities and personal brand into the whole piece of content. So people don't just go listen to an interview and get annoyed at us just getting in the way of their hearing, you know, from their favourite stars, because that's kind of like that's the balance right? Like, you don't want to just be an interview show but at the same time love people to know you for you. You don't want to be so utilitarian that you could be the microphone. And so you do that through asking great questions and bringing your spin to it. And for us.
We try and bring in our personalities and so for the for LA this
positive six episodes have just been us in different locations talking about weird things that have been happening. And then, you know, next week, we'll have we'll roll out a bunch of our guests, but we tend to not we don't do that many pre records we normally do it every single day live. Yeah, we do. We do live to Instagram, we want to eventually get to the point where similar to where you're going with the PTC stuff, like it's all dialled in. So it's we can do the phone stuff, or the New Age version of that where it's super high fidelity.
And so that's, that's where we want to we want to go but we don't see I guess the democratisation doesn't necessarily affect what we're doing because we just want to be unique and seven days awake while steady, so crazy to me. Well, it's unique now, but we think that we feel like we're in a period where we have an opportunity to really like we've done 500 episodes where we haven't missed it.
And so the first we only started doing seven days in June. So before then it was five days a week. But we see this opportunity we like in Australia. I don't know what it's like in the US, but we have survey breaks where the radio shows go off air or whatever, and they play best off.
And we don't we don't do. Yeah, we just we just keep producing more. So
when it's Christmas, it's not like, like, it feels like Christmas is could be a real lonely time for some people. It's not if you're listening. Yeah, exactly. And so that's part of it is like, you don't have to listen to a best start. You actually hear us so is that the goal? Just to be friends with people? Yeah. I think building a community bringing young young minds over here. 97. And just like as we're building the audience, the people that are interacting, the Friends of the show, the people who have been on the show many times that are coming back, it just it just expands it compound. Yes, we did a 500
We had like 70 people come to our live show. A guy, a guy named Hayden who listens to the show. We've got our community is called the gronk. Squad. Have you saw a gronk? Have you heard of a gronk? I mean, like I've heard of Rob gronk house. Yeah, yeah. So he gets a lot of the search engine optimization, unfortunately. But grab a gronk is sort of like someone like if you if you finished the toilet roll and you don't empty, you don't replace the toilet roll. That's a gronk move. Or say, like a POS?
POS was that was?
Yeah, yeah. No, it was the thing is we're all gronk we all do senior events.
We all do things where we're thinking about ourselves and not others. Yeah, but we're all trying to be better. Yeah, we all don't want to be but we all are. totally get that squared
away. gronk and Sorry, I'm gronk to a bit heightened got a daily talk show tattooed last week. Oh my god. That's a lot of pressure for you. Now. That's fine, man.
Gotta keep going, What do you
plan to St 10 years? So we're gonna do the show for 10 years. And so we're 20 months in which 10 years
do you think about that stuff? Do you think about like 10 years time? Yeah, I do. And I think that it's still a long way ahead. And it was 10 years. Yeah. But I also think about things like I want to die with a microphone in my hand. So how do I do this for the next 30 3020 years? Or you just need to walk across the road always
Never No. No, I don't know. It's kind of interesting because like, I see a lot of people in this viral day and age for lack of a better phrase they like blow their load you know, they go viral. They do ridiculous things or interviewers ask them noxious gotcha questions, and those are just people not playing the long game. Yeah, just looking for a short term are definitely Yeah, whole game is trying not to blow Allah.
Right now I'm doing great job.
By the way, I got to applaud you have come here and had me on your show you haven't asked about one celebrity guests I've had on so thank you. I mean, you have but like not, you know, many times I've gotten the question. So Who's your favourite celebrity guess? Which guess Have you learned the most from? Like, it's like everything from casual conversation to like legitimate, you know, on the record conversations. Yeah, it's the same sort of stuff. So I thank you for that. Louis. I see you chewing some Louis booty. Oh my God, that's my phone.
Super, I think it's um, it's super interesting. Interesting what you're doing I think that it is that we're trying to decipher and understand this la we world and, and also being able to do this as a job like what you've like we haven't monetized the podcast at all. We tried to make money and we're like
We're going to give ourselves another year before we try and do that. You're very nice people. And so you know, it's amazing. 97 just gonna work for free.
He still lives.
You can do this.
Zach. Thank you, man. No, thank you for having me on your show really means a lot. And I appreciate it. And thank you. Thank you for reaching out. Yeah, thank you. Hi, the daily talk. show.com is our email address. People can send us emails, which is really exciting. I forgot that you are hosting
the radio Exactly. The same way Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez know something the radio Zach and this sack are the exact same. There is no numerous. We don't get to talk to the post when when when watching the well, you know, go to the daily talk show. com they bought the URLs to make a show.
That's nice. And you look like two people who pretend to be friends. Yeah.
That's what you got to do. You suck it up just like you and Dan.
Dan genuinely hates me.
go to the daily talk show calm. And I would say if this was my interview, thank you for being here. Thanks for giving us your energy. It means a lot.
beautiful humans. My new thing is I love you. I love you.
You've been intimate. You're gonna get me
unless you're looking for a rock.
Go for it. Thanks