The Library Guy

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 492.

Tommy: What's going on, guys? What's happening?

Josh: Happy Monday. I've started the day with a spoonful of Vegemite.

Tommy: You're an absolute monster.

Josh: Yeah, it tastes good. Absolute monster. It was really yummy and it just sort of gives you that little perk up.

Tommy: Does it?

Josh: Yeah, it's almost like a shot of something.

Tommy: It's a shot of sodium.

Josh: Yeah. Maybe I was lacking in salt. I think that, I mean, not to get straight into food, Molly said on Friday, Josh, keep going with the food banter. She loves it.

Tommy: You know what's amazing is when anybody in this world, like, I mean, I'm just so, I love listening to anybody who's passionate about something and your passion lies within food. And so when you're listening to your, it's just, you know, it's like when you have a waiter at a restaurant that just loves food and can tell you all about the menu and you're just like, "Oh yeah, I'll have one of these." I can just describe exactly what I ate last few days. But that's, yeah, you connect so much with it.

Josh: Before we started, we were talking about skiing and 97, Mr. 97 said that he thinks that I would be a good skier.

Tommy: No, he says, "I feel like you would be a good skier." And then Mr.

Josh: Perfect yelled out, "Thoughts aren't facts." No, I said, "Feelings aren't facts, buddy." Feelings aren't perfect.

Tommy: Perfect.

Mason: No, usually people who are less coordinated and a bit like sort of lanky sort of thing, they're actually pretty good at skiing.

Tommy: Where did you pull that from, young son?

Mason: Do you know how like all these people—

Tommy: just type that thing that you just said into Google and see if there's—

Mason: no, it's weird. Like, I've, I've had two mates who are both tall and lanky and sort of, and really like uncoordinated, and they're great at skiing. Like black runs and everything, double blacks.

Josh: What's a double black?

Mason: It's like the two times black. Yeah.

Josh: What's a black?

Mason: You got like levels of runs. You got like blue, green, whatever.

Tommy: And then you got double black and then double black diamond.

Josh: So what I said is, no, we weren't really the skiing school, so I haven't skied before. But then it did trigger a memory and I'm coming off the back of feeling quite triggered after having Jake Jansen on yesterday. We got in reflection. What do you think about those stories?

Tommy: Oh, I mean, it's, it's great. I love seeing how they paint you.

Josh: Well, anyway, I did— talking about the, um, the skiing, I was reminded of the, um, by myself, I reminded myself.

Tommy: Yep.

Josh: Uh, as you know, that triggered a little bit of problems. Yeah, with a little bit, with a little bit of prompting from his brain. Um, these— the best, uh, athletic, like, people with the best athletic ability in year 9 got to go on a snow trip. However, based on my services within the school, I was invited to go, and it was the biggest shitstorm ever that Josh Jansen managed to get invited to the snow trip.

Tommy: So the other kids found out and they were thinking, yeah, this is fucking— this tall—

Josh: it wasn't—

Tommy: it was coordinated.

Josh: The fat kid who got picked last.

Tommy: Talentless sportsman.

Josh: Talentless sportsman.

Tommy: It's not always the most talented people that make it in this world.

Josh: Some people are just—

Tommy: Exactly.

Josh: I'm an outlier, as Malcolm Gladwell would say. But no, I, um, but then they ended up cancelling the whole thing for some reason. I don't know why.

Mason: I'd love it if you found out later that they actually—

Tommy: it's like when, yeah, you— they've just pulled the pincers at you.

Josh: Yeah, it's just easier.

Tommy: Yeah, we cannot have it. Hey, I'll tell you something I saw. I thought this was fake. It was on Facebook where a lot of fake posts get put up about bullshit. But a guy put up that— a post screenshot of Bunnings Warehouse. Go to Bunnings right now, bunnings.com, whatever it is.

Josh: The website— we don't want you to leave and go.

Tommy: No, don't, don't. There is one close by, 300 meters, I reckon. But I will say, if we need a drone, we just need to go to Bunnings. Oh yeah, they're in the business of selling drones now.

Josh: Well, so What you might be referring to is Cam Shand actually did an Insta storey about this.

Tommy: Oh no, it wasn't Cam. It was another guy from up in the Gold Coast.

Josh: And so was that the end of the story? They're selling drones now? Was there anything else?

Tommy: I was fucking blown away. I mean, this is the place I thought I loved a lot because of all the shit you could get there already. Now they've got drones. They're a camera supply store.

Josh: So they do do drones. But if you go into AusBargain and look up Bunnings, 97, can you tell me what the price was of the— I think it's the, the Mavic. How much would you pay for the Mavic?

Tommy: Uh, the Mavic Air, uh, I don't know, $1,200 or something. I don't know my drones. I bought one when they first came out, the Mavic Pro, which was $949.

Josh: You finding it anything, 97, on OzBargain? Yeah, if you just go on to the search and you type in price beat.

Mason: Is that what you're looking at?

Josh: Yeah, maybe. I mean, if you just go into the latest listings of Bunnings. Yeah, from OzBargain. It's probably just quicker me doing it. Yeah, I've got it here.

Mason: Uh, you literally saved it.

Josh: Yeah, it was, it was up in my Chrome thing, but it's just refreshed and gone. $298 was how much they were selling the Mavic for.

Tommy: 200? No, no, no, no, no, no. So, so, so I wasn't going to bring that up because I, I didn't know if it was a good part of the storey that I had.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: The guy who posted the photo.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Posted the one that said the Mavic $298, right? And that's what I was like, unbelievable. Un-fucking-believable. They're selling it for this cheap. And so I did some investigating. I went to the website, typed in just to the search bar drone, came up. It was like they'd missed the 1.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Or they missed the 2.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: So it'd be $2,000, whatever, whatever you just said.

Josh: So there was, um, yeah, it was $298. It's what's known as a pricing error.

Mason: Have you, uh, a lot of people ordered though?

Tommy: Yeah, mate, do you know anyone who's ever done a pricing error? There's storeys relating to someone doing it.

Josh: Do you know how many, do you know how many clicks? I don't know, price, we'll find out. Guess how many people clicked through to the Bunnings site?

Tommy: Oh, thousands and thousands.

Josh: 36,000 people clicked through on that link. Uh, and so anyway, obviously they weren't servicing it. Have you had a price error situation, 97, where they have honoured it?

Mason: No, no, I've never— I've never had a price error situation. So yeah, Andre's accidentally done it on someone else's website.

Josh: Oh, that's right.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what I was trying to push him to tell.

Josh: Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, you can even talk about it now based on the fact that he And he told his employer to go fuck themselves in social media. So anyway, he worked for a company that did digital for a, um, like a beauty— yeah, like a massage parlour basically. And it's like one of those, you know, a lot of these massage places, they do deals and they like do like Groupon-y type of things. And they, uh, this digital company looked after all the e-commerce stuff for this massage business and they had a discount code and rather than giving like 10% off, he made them free, didn't he?

Mason: So it was, it was, it wasn't free. So they got, they got free postage and a bit of a discount as well. I can't remember how big this—

Tommy: But he's totally stuffed it. How much money do you think it cost them? Because they still, they, they, uh, they honoured it.

Mason: So yeah, I have, I have no idea.

Josh: Yeah, it can be costly.

Mason: Yeah, I can imagine if you, if you've got a big site like that, then yeah.

Tommy: I mean, there's small little mistakes like not ordering the right amount of jumpers and then having to pay full, like, ridiculous amount to make up the missed orders. Like, that happens in business, doesn't it?

Josh: It did happen here.

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show jumpers, Mr. 97, that's a new song.

Josh: We never really spoke about that. So what happened?

Mason: So I had a spreadsheet set up which I copied all of our orders into, and I had two, I guess, like acronyms for extra large. So there was XLG and there was XL. And so when, when I calculated all of, all of them, I just searched for how many terms had— how many search terms were there, there were for XL, and there was like this certain amount, but I didn't actually factor in XLG.

Josh: Sure.

Mason: And this is an extra large Gronkh, or no, because it was, it was initially like XLG, I think, and then when we added all the other sizes, well, because you thought that the XL Because you thought that, uh, you didn't understand how people wear their clothes.

Josh: You had no idea around sizing, so you basically gave small, medium, and large and extra large were what I thought was— and Scooter Derek educated you around that, around like you need bigger sizes than that. Yeah, that was expensive because we ended up, uh, what happened is we obviously buy them in bulk and then we had to get a few extra in that were extra large, and then so you end up paying a We paid more for the hoodies than what the people paid.

Tommy: So you get 1,000, you get a good price. But then if you get 1 or 2 or 5, you got to pay exorbitant fees.

Josh: I mean, it's a bit of education. I was thinking about books when I was young that sort of shaped me. I was thinking—

Tommy: Where's Wally?

Mason: No.

Josh: Are you talking about like— I'm talking like 16, 17.

Tommy: Fuck, I wasn't reading books then, I don't think.

Mason: Oh, I was.

Tommy: Were you? What were you reading, smarty pants?

Josh: Cherub. What's Cherub?

Tommy: What is that?

Mason: Um, it's like a fruit. No, no, no, it's, um, he was like an, he was like an agent. He was like a secret agent or whatever, worked for like a, an agency.

Josh: Non-fiction or fiction?

Mason: No, no, it was all made up, but he, it was, he was a part of an agency or whatever and he infiltrated all these things. It was like special forces.

Tommy: He panicked there when he had to defend.

Josh: It's all made up. I don't know what you're saying. Fiction. No, it's all made up. Guys, can you just tell me where the, uh, the not made up section is, please? I'm just looking for a, uh, a business book. Do you mean non-fiction, sir? No, it's not made up. And so it was made up?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're just bullshitting.

Josh: Where's the bullshit section? Do you mean our, uh, novels? Um, the real shit. Where's the real shit? Do you mean biography, sir?

Tommy: And so you— so the I mean, the first few books for me, 4-Hour Workweek, I reckon The Game was in there somewhere.

Josh: Really? Did you actually own a copy of The Game?

Tommy: Yeah, I bought it. I bought it.

Josh: I listened to the audiobook after Bree and I got together, but I was using it more as a way of gaining friends.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, the thing about those books, The Game is, uh, this old-school relationship, like, uh, pickup artist book.

Josh: Do you reckon it's a sleazy— so the thing is, there was a bunch of people who came to Australia and they were sort of pickup artists. And I think they sort of had all this sort of like disgusting techniques of like, yeah, you need to fucking grab their neck and do all this sort of like crazy, outrageous domestic violence sort of shit. I don't think Neil Strauss ever got into the area of like fucking doing anything that was, you know, outrageous.

Tommy: No, no, no. That book, to be honest, there's self-help elements within that. I think that's the thing about like marketing books as well. In Seth Godin's material, there's a lot of it that's just like, it's almost like another way of articulating how to sort out the head stuff and sort of how to make sense of everything that happens. Bad shit, good shit, you know, ebbs and flows, dips, the dip. And so for you, 16, you're a little bookworm. What do you read?

Josh: I wasn't that much of a bookworm. I was like I am today.

Tommy: A bullshitter.

Josh: Yeah, a bullshitter. No, I—

Tommy: A book buyer that doesn't read them.

Josh: Yeah. No, I was into buying books. And so I definitely, especially when I was like 20, I think that was sort of like the peak age. I think that I went through school and then only really started my education when I actually finished school. Like, I actually started being like, oh, now it's up to me, I can do whatever I want.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so I would do the big Amazon orders where I'd buy like 15 books at a time because it was like cheaper through delivery because you'd pay once. It was like The way they used to do it is it would be like $50 and then they would charge $5 per book. And the bookstores were so behind then that they didn't have any, like, the Gary Vee stuff. Like, even seeing the Tim, like, Tim Ferriss's books in bookstores and Seth Godin's books is so novel. I feel like when you see it now, it's like, oh, that's really cool. Because I feel like 10 years ago you were this fucking outsider who had to go online and buy them through Amazon or whatever. But no, I remember the first book that I read from start to finish was Filmmaking for Dummies.

Tommy: Oh yeah. And so they've done a series about—

Josh: Well, for dummies.

Tommy: Yeah, it's just for dummies.

Josh: Have you ever read a for dummies book, 97?

Mason: No, I don't think so.

Tommy: Yellow covers.

Mason: No, I know which ones they are.

Tommy: I'm just trying to know what kind of dummy I had in my hands.

Josh: Yeah, real fucking—

Mason: No, there was one like—

Josh: Made up storeys for dumbasses. A book on non-fiction.

Mason: No, there was, there's like a Scout— it's, it was pretty much for dummies as well, but it's like a real basic Scout rules and like teachings for Scout kids.

Josh: And so did you go to Scouts?

Mason: No, no, no, no. So I think my parents bought the book for my older brother Sam, and then I read bits and pieces of it. It was— you would have loved this— like how to tie knots and all that sort of—

Josh: I want to get a knot tying book.

Mason: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't solely that, it was like surviving in the wild and Yeah.

Tommy: Can you look up the For Dummies series and see sort of what the more obscure end of that? So the filmmaking one, um, you're 16, you've probably had your Mac by then, your iMac, or—

Josh: Yeah, no, so yeah, G5. No, I hadn't had the loan yet. Uh, yeah, no, I hadn't. So it was a G5. Yeah, uh, G5 computer. It was like one of those silver towers.

Tommy: But so you were in the—

Josh: It was about $3,500 and it was my my parents actually got that for me and it was through, what's the company called? It's going to annoy the fuck out of me. It was an Apple reseller.

Tommy: Harvey Norman?

Josh: No, no, no, no.

Mason: I think I know.

Josh: Not CompNow. It's Dream, not Dream. It starts with D. They're still around? It's from Dandenong. No, they were acquired by CompNow.

Mason: Oh yeah.

Tommy: Oh no, maybe it's CompNow. Just say it was similar to CompNow.

Josh: And so no, I got the G5. That was in 2000. 2006, start of 2006. Before that, I'd built a— my— I was like, I want a Mac, I want a Mac. My dad's like, Apple computers are really expensive, uh, I know a guy. Dad, it was always— Dad always knew a guy. It never ended well. He always had to go with it, right? He knew a screen printing guy, and then it was— ended up being a nightmare. Yeah, with my band t-shirts. But he's like, no, I know a guy. And so the guy built a computer for me, and then there was a problem with 97. You'd get this, but I couldn't get past the fucking DOS menu or whatever without pressing like a few buttons. Like there was a hardware failure. And so I could get through it, but it was almost like I had to go into safety mode, like safe mode or whatever.

Tommy: Yeah, it's fucking nightmare.

Josh: And so anyway, after doing that for a year, I eventually got the, um, the G5. But, uh, the specific thing that I remember in the Filmmaking for Dummies book is it's called the poor man's copyright.

Tommy: Poor man's copyright. Okay.

Josh: So, it's a way of proving when you wrote something. So, say if you wrote a script. So, the example is a screenplay. You write a screenplay. What is a way that you could prove when you wrote it? Actual proof.

Tommy: Oh, now, like nowadays?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Buying a domain with the name of the script.

Josh: What about it?

Tommy: What about loading it onto a website?

Josh: So what about the material within, like the actual video? No, no, not the video. So you write a screenplay, you could send an email because it logs.

Tommy: You could send it to somebody, like there is some— there's logging it into a programme where it just is timestamping the time, or when the PDF was created is one. So the time, yeah, yeah, there's a bunch of ways.

Josh: I mean, this is— yeah, I mean, yeah, this is—

Tommy: Julian Haig said on the weekend show, he said said sometimes he just gets a part of a script and they never send him the full one because if someone could just rip off the screenplay.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Or leak it. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. Leak it. There's been a bunch that have been leaked.

Josh: I'll tell you how you do it. And this blew my mind. I was like, so—

Tommy: Well, you're a dummy. Of course it's going to blow your mind.

Josh: It was seriously, I was like, it gave me chills. The way that you do it is you put it in an envelope and you send it to yourself. And so when it goes through the mail, they stamp it and it's got the date that it was stamped.

Tommy: So the only problem with that is the envelope gets stamped. And so you say, I don't open it.

Josh: Yes. And so you finish your script, you put your script in the envelope, the big sort of A4 fucking envelope, you mail it to yourself, and then you put it away in a filing cabinet.

Tommy: God. And the only issue with that is that it's a bit old school now. Like, I think the digital one—

Josh: I thought it was fucking cool though.

Tommy: It makes sense back then.

Josh: Don't you think it's cool though?

Tommy: It's a fucking great idea. Um, PK, our friend, one of the most genius ideas— not this, not of a similar vein, but same mail usage— he, he would take to the races a prepaid, uh, slip, a sleeve that you could drop into a mailing box, express post, with a bit of bubble wrap when he'd go to the races and get a bit messed up, a bit drunk, put his sunglasses into this and mail them home on, like, as he's walking past going to the pub, just fucking put him into the mailbox. He sent them home.

Josh: Sunglasses.

Tommy: So he'd send himself his sunglasses back to himself so that, mate, I bought a pair of $280 sunglasses, Versace.

Josh: Is there any, I mean, Is that smart?

Tommy: It's smart because I bought a pair of Versace $280 glasses on the day of the races, went to the races and lost them.

Josh: I have a feeling 97 would try and do it. He'd work out the slowest post and miss the whole summer. He wouldn't get them back for like 4 weeks. Turns out that he's—

Tommy: but I thought that— I wonder if there's any other crafty things people are doing with mail, like, yeah, snail mail.

Josh: And so did you ever, did you get into Harry Potter?

Tommy: Uh, I had the first book.

Josh: Was that the red one, Philosopher's Stone?

Tommy: I can't remember. It was, I thought it was great. Like, I remember reading it and sort of really feeling like I was in that world. Like, it was so cool back then.

Josh: People projected it on me a lot. Like, everyone just assumed because I was fat and wore glasses that I had to love Harry Potter.

Tommy: And did you?

Josh: Well, I felt the pressure. I remember it was like one of the first books But I was the kid that just loved the appearance of things, but not necessarily do it.

Tommy: Like rope between the posts and having your brother cut his neck.

Josh: No, that. But I think about like I talk about the trophies when I was growing up. Do you remember this, 97?

Tommy: So you're all show. So what did you say?

Josh: You love to be— So my room was filled with trophies. But they were all my— either my dad's drag racing trophies or my brother's footy trophies. And they were just all—

Mason: and then Action Indoor Sports trophies. Do you ever have Action Indoor Sports parties?

Tommy: Yeah, I do.

Josh: Do they really do?

Mason: You got a trophy every time you had a birthday there. Yeah, every time you had a party.

Tommy: And so I did beach volleyball one.

Mason: Yeah, my room, I had like a soccer World Cup one.

Josh: And yeah, you lost it as a kid. You would have lost me at Action. There's no, no interest. I was at McDonald's.

Mason: You would love the food. Oh, the hot dogs.

Josh: Yeah. The, um, do you think—

Tommy: so do you think that like this kind of stuff priming kids to expect accolades and have these trophies and stuff? Like, if we look at like where you're at now in life, and I don't think I've never— she can be—

Josh: I'm not a trophy guy anymore, but the book thing, like Goosebumps, my, my brother would read all the Goosebumps books. We had like 50 of them and they were all in my room and it was like the pride and joy. I'd go in and— It was a weird—

Tommy: Had you read any of them?

Josh: Nah, nah.

Tommy: But did you dislike the look of them?

Josh: I almost, um— It's so bizarre. Well, they couldn't even— Like, I was— When I was a kid, they, um— It wasn't until I was in like grade 3 where a teacher had a meeting with my mum and was like, I don't think Josh can read at all. I'd been bullshitting, like I would just create commotion and stuff within the class, so they never had to do it. I just remember saying that, like, if I looked at books, all the words would sort of dance. I'd find it hard to sort of—

Tommy: It's dyslexia, dude.

Josh: No, it wasn't dyslexia.

Tommy: It was just like— Isn't that what happens? So that's like— They'd be thinking you got dyslexia.

Josh: Yeah. Well, I was just like—

Tommy: They wear blue glasses. There's like a—

Mason: Are there dyslexia fixing glasses?

Tommy: Look it up. There's like a different lens colour.

Josh: There is a purple lens colour that is for—

Tommy: I mean, I don't know much about glasses.

Josh: Well, the purple type colour is for which has become, uh, cool or popular in the last like 5 years, is the one for screens. So if you're looking at screens a lot, and so I, when I got a pair of glasses like 2 times ago, I, uh, they just did that as a standard without asking.

Tommy: Oh fuck, can I wear your glasses for the show, for the rest of the show? I think I just thought it'd be funny.

Mason: So sore, mate.

Tommy: I put in the effort.

Mason: That blue light filter Oh wow, let's see.

Josh: Look at me. I think you look really— don't you think he looks cool?

Tommy: Yeah, it's— mate, I cannot, like, cannot make out your face, mate. Mr. 97, do you remember, like, unbelievable. I can see my hand. Wow, look at that.

Josh: Do you remember as a kid, like, can you see me, Josh? Yeah, sort of blurry, actually. Yeah, it's, it's funny how much my eyes, like, I don't know if I've gotten lazier, but I used to be able to just like As soon as I took my glasses off, I would refocus. I don't do that anymore. It's like a bit blurry.

Tommy: I feel really sick.

Josh: Do you remember how much like parents would drum into you, especially for me having glasses, do not get anyone to wear your glasses because you'll really— you can damage their eyes.

Tommy: Nah, but can we look this up? I've had them on for almost a minute already.

Mason: Sure.

Josh: It could be, it could be a problem.

Mason: The blue light filters are bullshit on Sunnies, on all glasses as well.

Tommy: What about people who do this? That's better. Um, this is good, this is a good look. Do you want them back?

Josh: Yes, please.

Tommy: Okay, sorry. Um, so dummies, how many— what books did you find for the dummies?

Mason: So there's a book called Beagles for Dummies.

Josh: What's a beagle?

Mason: A dog.

Tommy: A dog, yeah.

Mason: Reckon it's, um, training potentially. Uh, Baby Names for Dummies, Bird Watching for Dummies, Building Beehives for Dummies. Conspiracy theories and secret societies for dummies.

Josh: So, the problem with the for dummies brand is it doesn't really play—

Mason: eBay for seniors for dummies.

Josh: I think, I think all for dummies is basically for seniors. I'll tell you why. Oh, what is it?

Mason: Ferrets for dummies.

Josh: Ferrets for dummies.

Tommy: Ferrets.

Josh: I remember my uncle had ferrets. My mum used to think they were so disgusting.

Tommy: Well, yeah, they pee a lot.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But they can be smart and trained and actually you can toilet train them.

Josh: And I feel like they would— we had like piping or whatever, like there was piping, it would run through the pipe. Pipes, and it was training them to, uh, to race.

Tommy: But they can be savage as fuck too. They can—

Josh: yeah, yeah.

Mason: Disaster recovery planning for dummies.

Josh: Oh really? Do you want me to get you that?

Tommy: IT— this is just the planning.

Mason: Yeah, planning, planning for the disaster recovery.

Tommy: Oh well, it's inevitable.

Josh: So how would you feel living with hepatitis C for dummies? I mean, the, the IT disaster—

Tommy: assuming all people with hepatitis C are dummies for having it.

Josh: No, only the people with dummies. I know, only— what are you gonna say?

Mason: The only the people for dummies.

Josh: You know what I mean? Um, no, the, the IT disaster one. The thing is that if you saw your chief technical officer, technology officer, your CTO in a business, and they had a bunch of books and she had a book that was You know, IT for Dummies. Yeah, IT for Dummies. It's not a good look.

Tommy: You probably don't want to lead with it. I mean, I think the brand— like, I remember it being, yeah, I know it's not for dumb people, it's just simplified information, which was the brand.

Josh: From a branding point of view, is it good? Like, so Filmmaking for Dummies as a kid, yeah, that's all good. But don't you think that like half of the whole thing, the reason we buy books is because we want to look smart, isn't it?

Tommy: Like, I mean, I, I never bought a book in my life to look smart.

Josh: But don't you think that they are some level of status symbol? So before you— definitely before you've read the information, the only— just by buying the book. I bought a bunch, like I was watching YouTube videos on like Iran and all the fucking like missiles, all these different things. And then I was like, oh, you know what, like I'm going to get into— I want to become like an expert on Iran. Has that worn off?

Tommy: It's the ultimate poser move though.

Josh: Is it a poser move though? Because I was planning on reading them.

Tommy: No, but no.

Josh: So what happened? This is what happened. So it's not a poser move yet. What have you found?

Mason: Anti-Inflammation Diet for Dummies. I need that.

Tommy: Can you look at the information within that?

Josh: Yeah, you have to buy the book.

Tommy: You download the PDF.

Josh: No, so I, um, no, so I bought all these books on Iran and like I started opening up and started reading them and then I was like, ah, like I've got other stuff I need to do. I mean, so they end up on my books. I've got like, if you go to my house, there's a bunch, like you think, oh my God, have we got someone who's got a doctorate in Iran and public—

Mason: Yeah, when you look at your bookshelf, yeah, it's literally like a library.

Tommy: Yeah, I've seen it. So how do you become not that guy? Well, like I've told you to slow down, like just by only by If you only ever read one and then bought another when you've finished reading it, you'd just actually buy less books. It'll be cheaper for you.

Josh: But isn't that— my point is that it's like, uh, everything we buy is based on, on this. We all— like, the reason you bought an electric skateboard is because you want to be a guy that rides an electric skateboard.

Tommy: But I love skateboarding.

Josh: I love— I actually do. When I read books, I love reading books. Yeah, but I But you could, because you could argue, you could say, well, you love skateboarding, why don't you skateboard to work every day?

Tommy: Uh, too far for one, lost my controller for two, can't find it. Does anyone know where it is? No, I can't find it. So it's fucking annoying, I gotta order one. But I think I've used that electric skateboard for more minutes than you've read probably in your life.

Josh: Are you kidding me?

Mason: That's a big call.

Josh: That is such a fucking claim.

Tommy: Mr.

Josh: Perfect is 100% right 100% of the time, so I can't argue with it.

Tommy: I've used it a lot.

Josh: And— but you think that you've electric skateboarded more than I've read?

Tommy: Potentially.

Mason: No way!

Josh: Nah nah naah silly. Of course not.

Tommy: You dumb fuck. Of course I haven't.

Josh: Okay well that's not what it sounds like.

Mason: How many hours do you think you've actually read?

Josh: I mean this is the thing audiobooks on Netflix.

Mason: Do you reckon you've done over Is 200 hours a lot of reading?

Josh: I mean, not over a lifetime.

Mason: That's what I mean.

Tommy: Like, so if you go, okay, let's actually work it out. So you get your calculator out because I'm not going to be across this. If you started reading at 16 and if you were to average how many minutes a year, just roughly, or hours per year you've read—

Josh: well, this is the thing—

Tommy: read books, hard copy.

Josh: Well, this is the thing on the book thing, I'm not This is why I'm trying to get better at— I'm wanting to build up my concentration around reading, like actual physically reading. Because the thing is that I never finish articles, like, because I always— I try— I think I spoke about the other day, I thought, you know what, I'm going to read the rest of this article. I was like, you fuckers just repeated yourself like 20 different times.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Um, but a good book shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, but, uh, CNN.com probably do that. Yeah, some bullshit fucking—

Josh: yeah, no, I get what you're saying.

Mason: But, uh, do you reckon you'd read 2 hours a week now? Or is that physical books?

Josh: No.

Tommy: How many?

Josh: This is the thing, not very much at the moment because I probably can only— yeah, not very much. Audiobooks though.

Tommy: No, actual reading in this year. Let's just go this year, 2019. It's October. How many, like, just on average per week?

Josh: I know probably for the— since the start of the year, I've probably read in book stuff less than 10 hours.

Tommy: Okay, less than 10 hours. I mean, how many books is that? So 10 hours of reading, how many pages? Just write that because it usually can give you like—

Mason: did you see on, on the Bill Gates one, he was doing like 150 pages an hour.

Tommy: He's a bit— that's an outrage.

Mason: And it's like 90% retention rate.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, he's a smart bloke. Uh, I want to see— so I'm pretty sure that in Audible you can cheque it out, you can see hours. Yeah, so in Audible listening time, I'm guessing this is just since the last time I downloaded it. 1 month, 16 days, 20 hours of listening, 9 minutes of listening.

Tommy: That's great, that's great.

Josh: And so, uh, there's all badges within Audible that you get The badge I have, I have the—

Tommy: This is the trophy cabinet right now.

Josh: The stenographer. Do you know what a stenographer is?

Tommy: No.

Josh: Stenographer.

Mason: No.

Tommy: What is it?

Josh: I don't know. But what it says is, so, you're the one who used to mark up those library books. You've placed at least 10 bookmarks.

Mason: A person whose job is to transcribe speech in shorthand.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Stenographer.

Josh: Next one. Daily Dipper.

Mason: Oh, that's right. They have them in court.

Josh: Stenographers. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I would have just thought they were like transcribers.

Mason: I think stenographer is probably like a fancy title for them.

Tommy: Do you think people at Rev.com call themselves stenographers?

Josh: VAs. Daily Dipper. Here's to good habits. Keep it up. You've listened to books for at least 30 days straight.

Tommy: Good.

Josh: Repeat listener. You've listened to the same audiobook at least 20 times. So, daily rituals I listen to every night.

Tommy: You think it's a good idea?

Josh: Yeah, why not?

Tommy: No, I don't know.

Josh: Just like it's— because it's one of those ones that— but the thing is, I don't retain stuff.

Tommy: So, you might have to listen to it again.

Josh: So, the other one, The Closer, you've listened to at least 5 complete books start to finish. Very low, given that I've got over 150 books.

Tommy: It's an interesting— it's— I mean, you're a weird guy.

Josh: The Marathoner. You've listened for at least 8 hours straight. The Marathoner. I did that when— Can this be you on the plane? Is this you or other people? Oh, sorry.

Tommy: Okay. Because Josh has given out his password to hundreds of people.

Josh: Weekend Warrior. You've listened for at least 24 hours total on a weekend.

Tommy: Can I just cheque if I cheque my—

Mason: That's a lot of listening on the weekend.

Josh: Because you've got mine.

Tommy: Well, I've got yours and I just want to see if it pulls up the stats. It means that you fucking got a bunch of people who are— Where'd you find it? I'm just checking.

Mason: Oh, hang on.

Tommy: Settings?

Mason: When I was in yours, I had like 16 hours.

Josh: Click me and then go back. Profile.

Tommy: Sorry, profile. Me.

Josh: Me. Go total.

Tommy: Total.

Josh: What does your total say? 1 month. Oh, fucker.

Tommy: We've just worked out that Josh's account, who he's given the password out to a bunch of people, so I've contributed to that one.

Josh: Wait, just say, have you got all the trophies? You got the badges?

Tommy: I've got the Stenographer, the Daily Dipper, the Repeat Listener.

Josh: Oh, that's annoying.

Tommy: That is really annoying.

Josh: I actually feel Yeah, well, because you guys are fucking all my numbers, but you were kind enough to give it out, so I appreciate it.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, I've listened to a heap of stuff.

Josh: Total's in my library, 190 books I've bought.

Tommy: I reckon I've listened to 20-something hours, 24 hours of total.

Josh: So yeah, that's annoying, isn't it? It's almost like you find out that you're fucking— everyone's been, you know, all your Fitbit data has been everyone. Anyway.

Mason: Getting your 10,000 steps in a day.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Let's, um—

Josh: But did you— What was the first book you reckon you read?

Tommy: It would have been Harry Potter. I had that. Goosebumps back in the day. I had all those.

Josh: Paul Jennings was a big one.

Tommy: Oh my God. Hatchet. Hatchet. Do you remember that? A plane goes down on an island and he only has a hatchet.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: That was scary.

Tommy: Fond memories of that. Like, you know, when you think back to a book and you're like, you've got the imprint of the book. Yeah. And so the island was—

Mason: that's actually— it was scary when I was reading.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, think about getting trapped on an island as a kid. That was a great book. But most of us would read, um, our generation were told to read that. Like, a lot of schools were—

Mason: school.

Josh: Yeah. Magic Faraway Tree was fucking huge for me.

Tommy: Killer Mockingbird, was that like a big one across the world?

Josh: Yeah. Um, yeah, there was a few.

Tommy: The Hobbit.

Josh: The Secret River. I actually never read a book. For school. It's crazy to think that I did the essays. Like, I would read all the, um, I would doubt I'd pay for like, um, essay notes.

Mason: Oh, Cliff Notes.

Josh: Cliff Notes.

Tommy: To be honest, you're always looking for a quick fix.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And so I would just read all of the books. I, I got an A, an A+ on my Year 7 English assignment, which was a book review. Of the book The Day My Bum Went Psycho, and it got an A+ and didn't read the book because I just— so much rah-rah. I think we just like Googled a bunch of stuff.

Tommy: Um, can you give us the LA fact of the day?

Mason: Sure can. The Port of LA imports and exports $1.2 billion worth of goods each day, and LAX moves 75 million passengers each year.

Tommy: That's a lot.

Josh: 75 million, that isn't a big number, isn't it?

Tommy: 75 million divided by 365, what's that? How many people a day? It is one of the biggest fucking crazy—

Mason: I reckon it's 200,000.

Tommy: Yeah, 200,000 people flying in, flying out.

Josh: This is a quick, uh, bonus fact. Is there any, um, any books that are related to Los Angeles that we should read before we go? Like a classic, it's going to get us in the spirit. Like if we were to start a book club, that was the one thing I did as a kid, a lot of book clubs, never read the book.

Mason: 100 must-read books set in LA.

Josh: Yeah, okay, what's the website?

Mason: Uh, bookriot.com.

Josh: Book Riot, right? Right, right, right. R-I-O-T. Uh-huh.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All righty.

Josh: What did you do? Why did you make that noise?

Mason: No, no, because I thought, I thought you said R-O-I-T.

Josh: No, you get it right.

Tommy: All right, boys, we're, um, we've locked in our accommodation for LA. Mr. 97, we're staying in a good spot.

Josh: So yeah, West Hollywood.

Tommy: Pumped. I'm about to have a phone call with Reece Mitchell, who is on the ground. He's our man on the ground. Should I just FaceTime and just get the first little bit of hi?

Josh: Let's do a proper— let's actually do a proper one.

Tommy: We'll get him on this. Yeah, this week.

Josh: Yeah, quickly, what is one book that's the top one that's set in LA based on Book Riot?

Mason: A Kiss of Shadows by Laurel K. Hamilton.

Josh: Okay, Kiss of Shadows, I'll give that a read. Right, it's a daily talk show, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Uh, if you are like me, I, I get a lot out of when people message me and say, hey Josh, I can relate.

Tommy: What are you?

Josh: What? Summarize the UK.

Tommy: What kind of guy are you?

Josh: Like, oh no, if you have, have you, if you've bought a book with the intentions of reading and haven't read it I think heaps of people have done that.

Tommy: I've done that. But can we rephrase it to, if you're the guy that's bought over 30 books with intention of reading that hasn't read them, message me.

Josh: Yeah, that's cool.

Tommy: And so yeah, 30 plus.

Josh: Yeah, if you've got a lot of—

Tommy: Have you got a library and you've not read one of them?

Mason: An unread bookshelf.

Josh: Nothing's changed. I used to, when I was at the school library, be scant. Like, I would take out 10 books at a time. The annoying thing is Horrendous. No, no, I was— No, you don't have to pay library late fees. You don't know, but not late fees with schools. They don't really do late fees. But I was shocking because I wouldn't read them and I was holding on to the books and I was bad with like admin returning them. So, anyway, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. We are on Instagram and we do appreciate when you leave a podcast review through the Apple Podcast app. They've made a bunch of improvements. There's a Mac version of Apple Podcasts now, I believe. Yeah, on the new version, which there's a bunch of new features like, uh, they're incorporating transcriptions. You'll be able to see if you go on to Apple Podcasts, the app. Now, this is relevant for podcasters. There is a section where you see the hosts, and so there's like, saw that, you know, Josh Hanson, Tommy Jackett. You actually can submit to Apple a photo to go into that spot. So we— our photo— our, um, guest names would have a photo to them. However, they actually need a signed release form by like the person whose photo it is. So we'd have to include that. But it seems like a lot of admin. It feels like a lot of admin.

Mason: That's sick.

Josh: Oh, it's cool, bro.

Tommy: So is this like Google—

Mason: Google— no, showing the names on—

Josh: that's radical—

Mason: in the app? Yeah, yeah, that'd be awesome.

Josh: Yeah. So it's, it's, yeah, breaking all that up. It is quite cool. And if the, the Apple Podcasts Mac app is meant to be a big, um, improvement because it's the first time they've sort of removed it all out of iTunes. Do you have any updates on that, 97?

Tommy: No.

Mason: I wonder if you can search past 300 episodes there.

Josh: I think you can. Yeah, there has been that problem for a while. But anyway, all right guys, we'll see you tomorrow. Yeah, see you guys. Have a good one.