Josh’s Favourite Party Trick

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, episode 372.

Josh: What's going on, guys?

Tommy: Well, I'm a little bit upset because I've walked in and 3D Dill, in what he describes as a compliment, has said that I look like a dad today.

Josh: Yeah, look, when you have to ask if something was a compliment or not, it's not a compliment. It's not a compliment. It had— so what was the, what was the, what was the words that came out of your mouth?

Mason: I said, Josh, you look very I didn't say daddy, but you look like a dad today.

Tommy: Yeah. Is that like, what is it? The male paternal?

Josh: Yeah. Paternal, maternal. I couldn't— I don't know why you'd said that.

Mason: It was just—

Tommy: Is it the short sleeves in winter?

Mason: It's the short sleeves in winter, the jeans and the cotton and the hat. You look like just a very well put together dad that's about to take his two young daughters to go fishing. And then maybe on the way home they're going to get an ice cream.

Josh: And then I said, well, if, if he looks like the dad, what do I look like?

Mason: You look like the baller dad.

Tommy: Yeah, which is—

Josh: that, that's a compliment. I read that as a compliment.

Tommy: I mean, that is a— you're the one that's got the, um, the vortex.

Josh: Yeah, well, some people don't— it's called the vortex. I thought you mean I had a vortex around the vortex.

Tommy: Remember the vortex?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I took it more metaphorically, speaking of the vortex around me that sucks.

Tommy: Did you ever have a vortex?

Josh: I did, I did. I, um, we used to hit the summer hit the beach in summer throwing the Vortex. They float, which is great. So I would just be nailing that thing as far as we could. On the weekend, I'm still scarred from it. No, I had two people, they made— it was a similar thing. They made a statement, not a compliment.

Tommy: It's like when people say, oh yeah, your little podcast. So sort of showing their cards about— they think we're just these fucking—

Josh: in fairness, no, someone did say, oh, your little podcast about our podcast.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And we've got Elise, so.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly.

Josh: It's a big podcast. No, but I think there is— people don't— I don't think people do that intentionally to bring people down. I think they just say—

Tommy: We're just little insecure babies.

Josh: Yeah, I think we can. And any of these things you choose to take it unless you're saying you look like a piece of shit. That's a real negative. You can then interpret whatever's said to you in a certain way.

Tommy: Well, because when you say dad, you straight away go to dad bod.

Josh: Do you?

Tommy: Yeah, I think so.

Josh: I don't.

Mason: I don't.

Josh: But this is what I mean. Your interpretation.

Tommy: Why do I look like the dad who not only takes the kids fishing, but we have to get an ice cream afterwards? Why do we need the ice cream?

Josh: Why does he have two girls?

Tommy: Yeah. Why?

Mason: It's just when.

Tommy: Well, because the girl, what's it? If you have a daughter, does that mean I have cold balls?

Josh: What was it? I can't remember. Is it warm balls or cold balls?

Jess: One second.

Mason: Thank you.

Josh: Anyway, it was on a previous show we're talking about warm balls. I think, um, oh yeah, footy players have warm balls, so they have girls.

Tommy: Yes. So it's actually, so it's a sort of a compliment because it means I'm a—

Josh: Yeah, well, Chris Judd's a footy player, and we've got someone who loves Chris Judd in the house. Um, how many does he have? Girls? How many? One, one girl, two boys. So warm balls, cold balls. Yeah, he's got both. I'm hoping I have warm balls and cold balls when I have another child. I'd like to have a girl.

Jess: I'd love to have a girl.

Josh: I think it softened me up a bit. Right now me and Bodhi are just taking over the world. But back to the neg that I interpreted as a negative. It was about my hair.

Tommy: Is that what neg means? If you say neg, is it a neg?

Josh: I'm negging you. I'm being negative towards you.

Tommy: Okay, sure.

Josh: Negging. So it was kind of— so I saw this girl that I hadn't seen in a while. She was there with a boyfriend. I was there with Conspiracy Jimmy, and she says Um, she said something, she's like, I can't— something around I can't work out whether I like it. I can't get over your man bun or something like that.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And I looked at her boyfriend, I said, that compliment? And he said, no, she fucking does it all the time. So she does that sort of like statement that is basically—

Tommy: but so she doesn't like it.

Josh: From the discussion with their boyfriend.

Tommy: And it's been fucking—

Josh: look, going into the Da Vinci Code, we worked out no, it was a neg. And then this other guy, this guy said, um, so I was with Ryan John, he's been on the show, and his friend. And Ryan said, uh, what do you think of Tommy's hair? And he said, um, yeah, I actually quite like it, but it's very 2 years ago.

Tommy: Really? Why did Ryan even bring it up?

Josh: I don't know. I was filming him and he had to just be talking and it was meant to be.

Tommy: So it was definitely on his mind.

Josh: I've got it on camera.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: So he says, but then it's just like—

Tommy: Does it make you insecure about your— Oh, a little bit. What does it look like if you had a fringe? Can you do a fringe for us right now? Fringe? Yeah, I would like to see you in a fringe.

Josh: All right, hang on.

Tommy: Just like the opposite of— It's the opposite of a man bun, really, isn't it? Just bring it all forward. Oh, there's a lot of length there, isn't there? Jeez. When was the last time you had a haircut?

Josh: Last time I had a haircut was just— You know, exactly. Style it. Last time I had a haircut—

Tommy: Oh, that's quite good. There we go.

Josh: That's better. Last time I had a haircut was just before I went to meet you in New York City.

Tommy: You look like, is it Jared Leto?

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: Does he have longer hair?

Josh: Jared Leto does.

Tommy: You also look like the guy who does Adobe tutorials.

Josh: I also look like the guy who's on Crime Stoppers who hangs around out the front.

Tommy: I actually, I think it looks good.

Josh: Do you?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Now that's a real compliment if I've ever heard one.

Tommy: No, I think it actually does look good.

Josh: I can't have this hair.

Tommy: You know how I was talking yesterday about the, all the gym, gym shit, my anxiety with the gym.

Josh: You cancelled your membership?

Tommy: No.

Josh: But you know, you could actually just call up and say, I'm injured, can I just— like, it just pushes it out so you don't have to pay for a few months to find your feet.

Tommy: But then they'll be like, they'll look at the records and say, mate, you haven't been here for 4 months anyway, why are you calling us now? No, I'm keen to actually join. Yeah, but Bree just cancelled her F45.

Josh: Oh really?

Tommy: Because she's rejoining her old gym.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: Field and Function that she loves. Yeah, F45, she was like, It's just not that friendly. Like, it's a very small— like Collingwood, the lease must be expensive, but it's so fucking small. It's like the size of this room.

Josh: Everyone's on top of each other. I saw a friend of mine over in Canada. F45 has made its way to Canada.

Mason: Really?

Josh: Dude, there's like 1,400 F45s around the world now. That's crazy.

Tommy: Who's the celebrity that's part of it?

Josh: I don't know. There's a bunch. There's a few Instagrammers, but, um, Jeff Jowett, who we've had on the show, his mate started it.

Tommy: It's crazy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, anyway, but Bri couldn't just say, I'm going to another gym. She created like another story.

Josh: Okay, because she's awkward about leaving.

Tommy: No, I get it.

Josh: And when I was in Shepparton, we did this, um, I was like, I made an announcement on air that I've been, I've been speaking to other people, you know, I've been looking at other gyms and it was nothing to do with the gym because sometimes it's not, it's got nothing to do with the gym. It's just that I need a change of scenery, like Bree.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: The next day, because obviously it's on the radio and the gym plays the radio station that I worked for.

Tommy: Did they change the station?

Josh: I came in and on the wall there was song lyrics and it was to this song, baby, please don't go, baby, please don't go. But it was Tommy, please don't go, Tommy, please don't go.

Tommy: What do you do in that scenario?

Josh: Because it's like, well, I found the track because it was in the logger and I put my name down.

Tommy: So you made it all as content?

Josh: I made it all as content and I never ended up moving. I don't know. I mean, subconsciously, maybe it was that, but it was lovely. It was like, ah, they actually like me here.

Tommy: Well, Bree said to them that, ah, they've, um, my work is now offering free PT. That's what she said.

Josh: That's a good one. No, that's great.

Tommy: But then they said they, they fucking Like she did that online in a form thing or whatever, like to cancel, I think. But then this morning they were like, they'd obviously read it and they're like, oh, that's amazing. Like, where do you work? How many times a week?

Josh: I don't think— And I think they're probably just being friendly at that point.

Tommy: But the thing is they haven't even been that friendly this whole— Like one of the big criticisms is that they're like, especially when it's someone who is like running the place, if the person who's running the place isn't that nice? It's sort of, you never want to give your money to someone if you think that.

Josh: Of course not.

Tommy: Yeah, of course not. And they didn't think that they were that friendly.

Josh: So the only conversation she really had with them was the exit.

Tommy: Well, yeah, but then, but Breeze had to— Yeah, exactly. And then she had to make up this whole storey around, you know, what she was doing.

Josh: There's a real problem with businesses that are trapping people into contracts or just making it very hard. Like, I think like even Adobe, Yeah, Asana. Oh my God, Asana. So you— so it's more the, the ones that— I get it, their business model is to create a free— a freemium. So they get a month, a month free, and then you let me know after. Yeah, sounds good. Yeah, I'll try it for a month. But I— so Amy, um, she's like, oh, I've got YouTube Red, I am subscribed to it. Um, you know, I just got the trial, I was listening to something and I wanted to keep listening to it, you know, use their service. You can watch YouTube outside of the thing.

Tommy: I can imagine your reaction because I feel like you're not the— it's just like, there's no such thing as a free trial. I'm just fucking getting real mad about it.

Josh: It's exactly what happened with Stan. We, we, we paid for— oh no, we signed up for Stan, got the free month, forgot about it.

Tommy: Is anyone using— is anyone paying for Stan and using Stan? No, Stan feels like it's one of those ones. What do you mean?

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: Well, where it's just, I just had Stan for so long and wasn't using it.

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: And then, yeah, I'm pretty sure. And because it's like Stan, it's like, what café's got, you know, you look at your credit card, what's Stan? And then, yeah, a few seconds.

Josh: But so we forgot about StanPay for that. And I said to Amy, you can't do this, you've got to get, she just, but YouTube was, to be fair, YouTube is just on the app. Boom, boom. No thank you. Done.

Tommy: Well, the thing is that the other risk with free trials is you get used to the lifestyle. That's what they're banking on, isn't it? Well, because Amy, all of a sudden she gets used to not having ads.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: Because I heard that YouTube are doing it. YouTube are purposefully making, putting more ads, more sort of pre-roll, more mid-roll. They're pushing ads as a way to try and squeeze people to say, I can't handle it anymore, pay for it.

Josh: It makes sense. But I mean, I use YouTube without— I use YouTube with ads coming through. I get through it. Mr. 97, do you do it? I know you're a—

Jess: I've got Adblock.

Josh: Yeah, but so you don't pay for that?

Jess: No, it's free.

Josh: Yeah, so I've got Adblock too, but it must be my phone that I'm getting them on. Yeah, I've got Adblock on my computer.

Jess: Yeah, I downloaded a modified version of YouTube that gets rid of the ads.

Josh: Oh, of course you did.

Tommy: Of what? On your Android or whatever?

Jess: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: It's like a real fucking mini computer, that thing, isn't it?

Josh: He's also the guy that got me through Herald Sun's paywall for free.

Tommy: What loader do you use on your Android?

Jess: Launcher.

Tommy: Launcher, thanks.

Jess: It's just like the default one.

Tommy: Really?

Jess: The one that comes with it.

Tommy: I was a Nova guy. Do you remember Nova?

Jess: Yeah, Nova Launcher, yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, that was what I had on my Samsung Note 3. I fucking hate— I went through a stage of like, I'm going to become an Android guy.

Josh: No, don't, don't. I won't be friends with you. I won't actually be friends with you anymore.

Tommy: The Android guys are the same people who think it's a— that need the clear PCs so they can have all the lights. You know, before you know it, it's like I start off with the Android phone and then I've got every Philips Hue set up at my house to different colours.

Josh: The only time it has, and we endorse Android, was when Mr. 97 uploaded the wrong audio for the podcast.

Tommy: It's only ever happened once.

Josh: Yeah. Solid fix though. We were out on a shoot and he's just jumped onto his handheld computer and just and got it. Yeah, we're all done, boys. All done. No, I got this. See how good that was? No, you fucked it, mate. Yeah, don't escape.

Tommy: I wasn't, I wasn't impressed though. But the thing is, he would have used his data and he said, what do you, what do you use for your data?

Jess: What's the, uh, Optus? It's Labarra, but it's on Optus.

Josh: I love it. Everybody, you know, get on the, um, what's the other brand? What's the other, um, Amazin? They use the Telstra network.

Tommy: Do they really?

Josh: So this is what I'm saying, it's like bullshit. I get it that people think this, but there would be— there has to be some limitations, otherwise why would anybody be on Telstra?

Jess: It's not a good thing to be on the Optus network. You don't want to be on the— you want to be on Telstra.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Yeah, but I'm saying the ones that do say, oh no, I got the cheap one.

Tommy: But are there any that say that they're on the Telstra network that's not Telstra?

Josh: Well, Telstra own the infrastructure.

Jess: Yeah. So Boost Mobile, they're on Telstra and maybe Aldi Mobile. I'm not sure about that.

Tommy: You're always pushing Aldi.

Josh: I mean, this is the thing. Who was saying that Telstra recently?

Tommy: Dan DeBooth.

Josh: Oh, that's right.

Tommy: Dan DeBooth was saying. Because Dan did the whole, Ramit Sethi has scripts that you can ring up your telco and get a better deal.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And the thing is that there feels like there's notoriously, like there's notorious companies that are perceived as premium. And so for instance, Apple is one of them. You can't go into like, it's like whenever, remember Dick Smith? Fuck, remember Dick Smith? Do you remember Tandy? Do you remember Tandy? Yeah.

Josh: Tandy Electronics.

Tommy: Tandy was bought by Dick Smith. I always would go into Tandy at Endeavour Hills and had this megaphone. Can we get a megaphone?

Josh: Yeah, it'd be worth it.

Tommy: A bunch of the radio shows in the US, it's a very common thing. That's how they make the sound of a— as if they're on the phone. Oh, yeah. They use like a little—

Josh: Are you sure?

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Like, I've worked in radio. We just use a radio, a telephone sound filter.

Tommy: Howard Stern does it. And then I think all of the copycats or whatever.

Josh: So, it's for tricks, right?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It's fucking great. I'll tell you what, when I was so pissed, I was in Drunk? Yeah, I was really drunk. I was in Rome, um, I was travelling by myself.

Tommy: And this wasn't your honeymoon?

Josh: No, no, this was when I was 2011, young, supple, and, um, looking for adventure. And so I, I went to Rome by myself and I was in this Steins Hostel.

Tommy: How many times did you say "when in Rome"? That was one of my favorites.

Josh: I don't know, I probably did say it a few times. I probably said it on the loudspeaker. I bought a fucking a mini one. So you got these, these gypsies, or, you know, these people hard done by, don't have— they don't have jobs, but they go— they're selling that, you know, there's, there's always someone throwing something up in the air and it's colourful and it's coming down. They're like, you want, you want one? €5, €5. Anyway, so I was wasted and I bought a mini megaphone. So there's just like these little ones and you press a button, it makes this obnoxious fucking— and then, yeah, so I had this, but I I was so annoyed.

Tommy: How small was it?

Josh: It was this big.

Tommy: Do you reckon we could get it as merch? The Daily Talk Show merch? Imagine if you could press, if we could put in like MP3 files. So yeah, we have like catch cries.

Josh: There would have to be.

Tommy: That would be a great one.

Josh: Look it up.

Tommy: I mean, this is how the squeegee thing came about.

Josh: I mean, they're very annoying and obnoxious, so.

Tommy: So are we. Yeah, it feels very in alignment. It feels very on brand.

Josh: But I bought one of those and I was just, yeah. Terrorising the street.

Tommy: Do you remember when I was in Rome what happened? No. This was only, what, 8 or 9 months ago. I witnessed a car accident. I witnessed— I— and I ended up at the Christian— I was next to the—

Josh: Radio station.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Was that Rome?

Tommy: That was in— that was next to the—

Josh: Oh, the cathedral. What's the big—

Tommy: I'm such a fucking idiot. I get all these great experiences.

Josh: Where the Pope lives. Where the Pope lives.

Mason: The Vatican.

Josh: The Vatican City.

Mason: Vatican City. Vatican City is its own state.

Tommy: Yeah, so for people who, uh, have you been, Dil?

Josh: No, but I want to. You should go, it's great.

Tommy: It was such a wasted experience on me because I had no idea who any of them were.

Mason: That's the difference.

Tommy: I was like, why are they fucking mentioning all the Ninja Turtles? It's like, because it's something old.

Josh: Donatello, yeah, Michelangelo.

Tommy: Um, any word on the megaphone?

Jess: You can get custom printed ones, but I'm just trying to find out if we can put a custom sound on it. Oh, I think it's just normal.

Tommy: What is a normal? I'm not across the current rates of miniature megaphones.

Josh: Oh yeah, they're not miniature.

Tommy: Okay, they're full blind, they're just—

Jess: they're proper.

Tommy: So this is the full noise?

Jess: Yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to find if we can actually put a custom sound on it.

Tommy: Okay, it'd be good because I'm imagining it— we want small. It's impractical to have a big one.

Josh: Yeah, but I mean, we could just buy them, stick a sticker on them. Yes, like you could do that. You can get them off Etsy. Yeah, Alibaba.

Tommy: But when I was— what I was saying was when I was in Rome saw a car coming around a corner and slam into a parked car and continue driving. And I filmed, I got my phone out and filmed it and got the number plate. Anyway, like a good snitch. Yeah. And so these people were yelling out, out of the building, and I said, I've got the footage, or whatever. They couldn't really speak much English, and they came down and they were getting all the details. I was sending them it all, and they said, oh, do you want a tour? Of our radio studio and it was like a Christian radio station. And so I got to, I got photos on the studio and it was good fun.

Josh: He seemed nice. You got a nice selfie with him.

Tommy: I got a pen.

Josh: You got a pen? Yeah.

Tommy: So they had merch. Yeah, they had merch.

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: No megaphones.

Josh: Christian dollars.

Tommy: Yeah. But yeah, I feel like when we're away overseas, probably more receptive to buying silly things.

Josh: Of course. When have you bought— like, through the deal, you've been— you're a tourist in this country, technically. It's not, it's not a great deal of, um, you know, people selling shit on the streets in the city to the extent that there is in Europe. Europe's full.

Mason: Yeah, it's, it's different. Like, I went to Queen Victoria Market a few weekends ago and was just looking, scoping stuff out there, and I think— but that's different than selling stuff in like a bazaar on the street. Yeah, kind of a thing.

Josh: Like, my best purchase was, uh, in, um, what's it called, Central Park when we were in New York.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And this guy just walked up and he was selling beers. It was an amazing setting. I was just lying on the grass.

Tommy: He gave you— he tore up some newspaper so you could hide the beer.

Josh: He had my back because you can't drink in Central Park. Yeah, I just had a little cerveza.

Tommy: It was nice. How was the drinking— the non-drinking going?

Josh: Yeah, well, I I, um, I went to an engagement on the weekend and I could not be bothered, but I think that's because when you, when you drink, like you have a little drink before the, before you go out or whatever, and it's like you feel like, ah, I'm into it now. But I pushed through and I, it was lots of friends and stuff, so I kind of, I enjoyed it. I tell you what though, I got so full on lemon lime and bitter bitters, I was like, I've had too much.

Tommy: What do you mean full? I had, did they have little spring rolls?

Josh: Oh, they had fried chicken and Yeah, but anyway, I had like—

Tommy: where was the venue?

Josh: Just the Post Hotel. I had 3 tall— is that in Richmond? No, it's in St. Kilda. Okay, 3 tall glasses of lemon lime and bitters.

Tommy: 3? Do you know how much you criticised me yesterday for my 85%?

Josh: Oh no, it wasn't lemonade in there, it was soda water, lime juice, lemon lime and bitters, the little spritz, and some ginger ale, like a tiny little splash.

Tommy: So lemon lime bitters, it was a bastardised Lemon lime bitters. Did you ask specifically?

Josh: I said, do you have lemon lime bitters? He said, I can make a version of that. Because it was upstairs in this sort of area that's not catered. They don't have everything. It was really lovely though. Tastes exactly like lemon lime and bitters, but not as naughty.

Tommy: I actually started following from our Instagram. I don't know if you noticed from our Instagram account, I started, um, following a nutritionist that she does like side-by-sides, like for 300 calories you could eat this Oh yeah, on the left she has like my diet and on the right she's like, or you could have 6 punnets of strawberries, you know.

Josh: I wonder what the most dense— like, oh, is that guy walking across, um, the Antarctic? This guy that was on Joe Rogan, he was pushing a sled, you know. That guy is an animal. But he was, he was— because everything was frozen, he had to find things with high calorie that wouldn't freeze.

Tommy: But the Clif Bars are like—

Josh: yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we had to use a specific oil. But I was just thinking, I wonder what the like the, the most calorie-dense small bit.

Tommy: I think we spoke about figs.

Josh: Yeah, we spoke about fruit and shit, but I'm just like, have they worked out how to get 5,000 calories into something that is like, you know, the size of an acorn?

Tommy: What are you doing there?

Jess: No, I just, I just figured it. His bars are 1,250 calories per bar.

Tommy: Really?

Jess: And that was an autoplay video.

Josh: Okay, no, I block, idiot.

Tommy: But how big is the bar?

Josh: Couldn't be that big.

Tommy: He just needs some natural confectionery.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I'll show him how it's done.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But the— Yeah, I mean, the calorie stuff, it's good seeing the visuals, seeing— 'Cause it's made me think about, okay, maybe I'll cancel out this with that. Some of the things that she seems to— Well, the nutritionist makes a specific point in that she's not saying one's bad and one's good. She's just doing them as side-by-side comparisons. Well, she knows what's good content. Yeah. But interestingly, the naughty one's always on the left. Like it's the before and then the after type thing. But the thing that where I think I can get stuck is fake healthy foods or foods that are potentially healthy, but they're super high calorie.

Josh: What, peanut butter?

Tommy: No, like Bliss Balls. I could fucking smash.

Josh: Yeah, but no one— I mean, okay, I see we get the box, you know, you get— when you see Steph Claire Smith who's dancing around in a bikini looking amazing, guys, these are my balls, you know, eat them. It's like you get it, you're like, oh, there's—

Tommy: she's the pillar of health and they've got a box of 3 of them and you get 3. Yeah, and because you always eat them at what, like, I don't know what you're like, but if I get a pack of 3, yeah, it's very hard. Bree, normally I get one Bree normally gets one, and then the third one, I'm like, what do you want to— it's always a conversation, what do you want to do with the third one?

Mason: I just ate it.

Josh: There's no point in making some kind of like health slice if you eat the whole tray. There's no point.

Tommy: Yeah, but I think that, yeah, it's— but I think that that's what is, um, annoying me at the moment. It's just like the— there is so many— it's, it's like, uh, this, this got me the other day, uh, Bree was like, oh, we've got, um It's like oats, right? Like in the morning, high fiber. But whatever it was that she was making, I was like, oh, this is delicious. And then the next day she goes, do you want porridge again?

Josh: I was like, it's great.

Tommy: But what she was saying, that what we had the day before was porridge.

Josh: And then what?

Tommy: And so, so the— oh, like porridge is just like, oh, like, yeah, exactly.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I was like, it completely fucked with my mind because I've always said to— that I'm not a porridge guy. I won't eat porridge. And so when she called it oats, I was like, I'm eating oats or whatever. Next day she She was like, the dummy, the porridge.

Josh: The dummy is showing his cards.

Tommy: But I think the thing is the word porridge.

Josh: Porridge is great.

Tommy: I've just got a real problem with the word porridge.

Josh: Did you eat porridge growing up?

Tommy: No, I just, I had family friends that ate porridge and I was always like, oh, I just imagine them all at home just eating white slop.

Josh: I like, I see Bodhi scoffing some broccoli last night and I'm just like, this is great. It's a win when a kid just enjoys something or at least doesn't have some fucking, you know, adverse thought on it. Like some just like— I think all these things, where do they come from? Yeah, at what point in our lives? Like the, the fruit that's bruised, would you eat a banana that's bruised? Would you?

Tommy: It's high GI.

Josh: No, but if you're just gonna eat bananas, if you're gonna eat bananas, would you eat?

Tommy: I'd be more likely to put it in a smoothie.

Josh: Okay, but would you eat it if you're having—

Tommy: I don't know, to be honest. A little brown avocados, I would, because I just smashed Smashed avocado, smash it in and just sort of look semi-green in there.

Josh: But there is like some people are really funny, like 3D Dill eating a burger. I just see him taking out the tomato.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Like a little privileged.

Tommy: Yeah, that's such a sick point.

Mason: I just don't like the texture and the taste of it.

Josh: Where'd that come from?

Mason: Just, I don't know.

Josh: What age?

Mason: Maybe 5 or 6.

Josh: What happened?

Mason: I'd— we were at a—

Josh: This is a good story.

Mason: We were at a Wendy's, I think.

Tommy: Okay.

Mason: I don't know. Do you guys have Wendy's?

Tommy: So, Wendy's is different here. Wendy's here is like you get thick shakes and ice creams and hot dogs at the most.

Josh: New Zealand have Wendy's.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: Yeah, I've got like the full burger.

Mason: Yeah, it's, it's like a— it's a pretty simple fast food burger joint. And I would always go up to the counter and they would say, what would you like on your burger today? And I would say, I want meat, cheese, ketchup, mustard, and pickles.

Josh: So, you eat tomato?

Tommy: I never said ketchup.

Josh: Yeah, ketchup comes in the—

Mason: okay, but that's different.

Tommy: And I agree with that.

Mason: Then they give me this burger, and little like 5 or 6-year-old Dylan gets this burger, and he goes to sit down with his parents to eat it, and there's a fucking tomato on it.

Tommy: Oh my God.

Mason: And I didn't realise until I bite into it—

Tommy: trigger warning everyone, trigger warning—

Mason: it was disgusting. I just didn't like it. I did because it wasn't what I was expecting. Yeah, I think if I had asked for— maybe just asked for a tomato because I didn't know what the hell a tomato was.

Tommy: Does that mean you hate Burger King? Because Burger King, I guess, have built their burgers—

Mason: I don't really eat at Burger King, but the same thing happened when I was older. I was in high school and I had a burger with an avocado on it that I wasn't expecting. And the taste was unfamiliar to me and I was like, "Oh, this is gross." Rattled.

Tommy: Yeah, it shook me up.

Mason: So I never ate avocado after that until we had lunch at your place one time, Josh, and he was like, "I'm gonna make smashed avo." And I was like, "All right, I'm gonna try it." What's your deal with—

Tommy: why don't you like, um, uh, jam donuts?

Mason: Because the jam doughnuts we have back in Canada are pretty shit.

Tommy: Okay, god.

Josh: So it's a fussy little fucky ideal.

Mason: It's the, the jam is probably good, but they're like— the doughnuts are so old, they're not fresh, so all the inside gets soggy.

Tommy: Because we need to get a like a hot— like you need to get one from the fryer.

Josh: A hot jam doughnut. Um, Mr. 97.

Tommy: He's got his own food issues.

Josh: Well, yeah, but is there like— I'm more specifically honing in on the things that you'll leave on the plate or you won't touch. Anything?

Jess: Yeah, well, my— like, there's, um, there's mushrooms, but one, one thing that stands out is, is walnuts. And Mum used to put walnuts on our dinner when we were little kids, and we would stay at the table refusing to eat them for like half an hour after dinner. And one time Sam, my older brother, he, he tried one and he ended up throwing throwing up, uh, in— and he ran like to the shower and he threw up all in the shower. So ever since that, I've never eaten walnuts.

Tommy: Walnuts are not a dinner item either.

Josh: Yeah, they go on night salads and stuff.

Jess: Yeah, it was on top.

Tommy: Yeah, I say walnuts is more sort of a carrot cake.

Jess: I wasn't happy with it. Yeah.

Josh: Is there anything you actually leave?

Tommy: Like, I choose your fucking road.

Josh: No, no, I'm the same, dude. I don't leave shit. I think it's rude.

Tommy: Oh no, I just I just feel if you're gonna pay for a meal, eat the whole thing.

Josh: Yeah, well, and so I think it's also just the simplicity of like, I don't fucking complain about much.

Tommy: Well, that's what, like, um, actually one thing I don't— one thing that is completely off my list is soy milk.

Josh: Well, because you're struggling from a testosterone point of view anyway.

Tommy: Well, no, I do, I do, I am aware that I remember hearing soy milk gives you man boobs. Yeah, don't need that.

Josh: Yeah, but it's like, I think it's, it's probably the same as chilli boosts metabolism, or maybe it's like sugar gives you diabetes. No, that's pretty much fucking spot on. Sugar does give you diabetes. And so maybe that is, but no, not the same.

Tommy: But, um, no, but the one thing that's one contentious issue is that I find that if you're doing a coffee order, if you have say who you're with orders something and it's a certain type of milk, there is probably, I would say, about a 70% chance that there is going to be a mistake made with the milks and you're going to end up with their milk.

Josh: When you're ordering 7 different coffees, high chance.

Tommy: But even 2, like I had once where it's like Bri ordered like a soy cappuccino and then I ordered like an almond cappuccino. And I took a sip and I knew something was wrong.

Josh: What did you do? Did you drink it?

Tommy: I just put it— I just went, just put it down.

Josh: And then you got a new one?

Tommy: No, I was just like, oh, and so I was like, oh, you know what I said to Bree at the time? I was like, you know what, from now on if you order soy milk, I'm gonna have to go have black coffee. I think it's hard.

Josh: It was— it was that negativity to sort of combat pickiness in kids, it was quite handy for my dad to say, your grandfather was in the prisoner of war camp. Yeah, he was eating, he was eating Weevils. He didn't say it like this, but what did he say? He was eating Weevils in his porridge for protein. And I always just remembered that, and I would have been like, porridge? Yeah, I know, we're just, we're in privileged times in terms of food stuff. Eat your tomatoes is what I'm saying.

Tommy: No, it is. But I definitely feel like if you, um, there's a couple of things I'm weird about with restaurants. Are you right?

Josh: I just hit my ring.

Tommy: Okay. Uh, no, the, the other thing too is I don't like ordering the same thing as well. That's just another thing. So if you order something, and I've had a couple of cases where I've ordered something.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Bree's done the order. I get Bree to order first, like she does hers first and then I'll order mine. And there has been some cases where Bree will then say, actually, I'll change mine. I'll have the same as his.

Josh: Yeah, I think there's always a piece of work that we can do around just not being a baby, but looking at what we do. I'm not saying I'm fucking perfect. No, I've got fucked up shit going on. But isn't it just all so trivial and stupid and like just our thinking around this stuff?

Tommy: Definitely. I think for food, especially for me.

Josh: Yeah, food for you.

Tommy: The other thing too is just, um, oh yeah, social stuff as well. Yeah, it can't be fucked.

Josh: I was just on the way home last night, I was like, isn't it amazing how everyone's— everyone is experiencing something different? There's no one experiencing the exact same thing in a situation that, you know, Craig Harper does when he's doing these big talks. He gets 8 people down, he's like You know, same scenario. Snake comes into the room, giving away his content. Someone walks in with a snake. Sally's saying, oh, look at that snake.

Tommy: You're gonna have to come up with 8 names right now.

Josh: Brian saying, holy shit, there's a snake. Kevin saying, oh no, I forgot to take my bins out. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck about this. And so it goes on. Johnny Brian, Baden, and Luke.

Tommy: There was 7?

Josh: Chuck one more in, Josh.

Tommy: And what do they all do?

Josh: So Johnny is a chippy. Braden, he works at a factory doing forged metal.

Tommy: Actually, I'm sorry I asked. One thing to finish the show though, I thought that could be interesting is, you know, you were just doing a bit of that stuff. It does remind me of my favourite party trick. And you understand why I don't like parties where it's loud because I need concentration.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I can remember 10 items. Not only can I remember 10 items, but you can give me any number between 1 and 10. Can you just write down, Mr. 97, 10 items right now onto your computer?

Josh: Items being anything. Anything.

Tommy: And so, what I can do is I'll remember the items and then you could say, tell me what item number 6 is. And I'll be able to recall it. I remember when I learned this, this was in 2013. I was at the radio station. The guy?

Mason: Neil Strauss.

Tommy: It was actually when Jack Post and I became friends.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I remember Michael Ewer, my boss at the time, said like I had spent the day in a room with Jack playing memory games. And Michael, I was meant to be doing like writing stuff for The Dirt, which was the gossip column, the gossip website.

Josh: I see why you were focusing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Skills.

Tommy: And Michael's like, no, Josh, you haven't done any work today. You know what's going on? I was like, I was in a strategy meeting with Jack Post. And I was like, and I'm offended that you think I was doing anything else.

Josh: Is that your last day before you get fired?

Tommy: No, no, no.

Josh: I, I believed yourself.

Tommy: Yeah, but it was commonly done. Yeah, but I remember Michael calling me out on my bullshit.

Josh: And so where should we be impressed? We should be impressed because if I say 4, you know what we're talking about.

Tommy: I mean, I think it's— so how about we do that? How about we do this? Why don't we get Missin' '87, you give us the 10, okay? And then we'll get Tommy first based on his lack of memory.

Josh: I'm not even fucking over here virtueing that I've got a great memory. I don't want to have anything to do with this game.

Tommy: So, but what I'm trying to show is when— so I mean, what you're saying is, hey, is juggling 6 flames at once impressive?

Josh: Real impressive.

Tommy: So what I said was, hey, why don't I give you 6 flames?

Mason: I can't do the flames.

Jess: You're setting the baseline, Tommy.

Josh: So yeah, an average.

Tommy: Yeah. Can you be the average guy?

Jess: Yeah. Okay.

Tommy: I think that makes sense.

Mason: Yes.

Tommy: Well, hang on. Give me 2 seconds. I've just got to get into my mode for a few seconds. Hang on. Yeah. Cool.

Josh: Okay. He's doing something weird with his hands. I'm going to copy him.

Tommy: I'm going to mirror him. No, it's fine.

Mason: It's fine.

Tommy: Okay.

Jess: Are you ready?

Tommy: Yeah, so you're gonna— so 10 items, 10 items, and you're gonna say number 1, the item, and then we'll say yes. We both say yes and then we'll do the next one.

Jess: Yeah, okay. Number 1, phone case. Yep. Yes.

Josh: I have to say yes too? Is that part of it?

Tommy: No, you don't have to.

Josh: No.

Tommy: Are you cool for me to just say yes? Sure, sure. Okay.

Jess: Yeah. Number 2, camera.

Tommy: Yes, a camera.

Jess: Yes. Number 3, a mug.

Tommy: Yes.

Jess: Number 4, a lunchbox.

Mason: Yes.

Jess: Number 5, a muesli bar.

Tommy: Muesli bar. Yes.

Jess: Number 6, a stick of cinnamon.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Nice. Yes.

Jess: Number 7, a sled.

Tommy: A sled, like a snow sled.

Jess: Yep.

Tommy: Okay, again.

Mason: Great.

Jess: Number 8, a sleeping bag.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jess: Number 9, a phone charging cable.

Tommy: Yeah.

Jess: And number 10, a frying pan.

Mason: Yes.

Josh: Which one do you want to know?

Tommy: Sure.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, the thing is, no. So, now we go from 1 to 10.

Mason: Oh, no, no, no.

Tommy: But no. So, now you've got to recall all of them.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Do you want to do that first?

Jess: No.

Tommy: How many do you think you remember?

Josh: Oh, I remember them all, but I don't know about the order.

Tommy: What, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, do it. Try and do it in order.

Jess: Hey, I know this is giving Josh's away though.

Josh: No, no, exactly. This is—

Tommy: how are we showing the fucking benchmark if you're not?

Josh: I thought you were just gonna say, say that number.

Tommy: Oh, we can do that. All right, say number. We'll say 6. Don't say it. See, this is a problem. I was fucking distracted through the whole thing. Oh, excuse me.

Josh: Excuses.

Tommy: Let me just go through the— I'll try and remember the list.

Josh: From number 1?

Tommy: So number 1 was a phone case. See, this is the fucked up thing. I've never been so distracted in my life. I've been never so distracted in my life. I'll just say the ones that I do remember.

Josh: Okay. In no particular order.

Tommy: Okay. 3 was a mug.

Jess: Uh-huh.

Tommy: 4 was a lunchbox. Uh-huh.

Josh: 7 was Steve Cinnamon.

Tommy: 5 was a muesli bar.

Josh: Uh-huh.

Tommy: 6, I can't fucking remember. 7 was a sled.

Jess: Yeah.

Tommy: 8 was a fucking sleeping bag. Yeah.

Josh: Did I get 9 wrong?

Tommy: 9 is a stick of cinnamon. No, fuck.

Josh: I got that right.

Tommy: Oh no, that was, that was the number 6. Number 6 was, number 6 was that. Number 9 Not sure on number 9, but number 10 was a frying pan.

Josh: Uh-huh. Oh, and number 7 was a sled. And number 9, that's why I recently— 9 was a, um, phone charging cable.

Tommy: Phone charging.

Josh: Fuck.

Jess: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: And so do you want to know the secret of how I did it? What about number 2? What about number 2? Number 2?

Jess: Yeah, you didn't even get number 2.

Tommy: Was it a phone?

Jess: No.

Tommy: So the way that I remember it is I have a social—

Josh: the way you don't remember it, the way you, you should Try and do, you know, that, you know, when you see kids that like, you know, there's a dinner party of adults happening and the kid comes out, I want to put on a show, I want to do a stage show for you all.

Tommy: I used to get the fax paper from my auntie's place where it's, you know, the long—

Josh: oh yeah, come in one big thing, doesn't exist anymore.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so I was at the airport because they're still printing out that bullshit.

Tommy: I would, um, get a big roll of the fax paper and cut it out and that would be my sign. And I said, you know, Josh's show. But anyway, the way that I did it is I've associated with every single number, I've associated an item.

Josh: You tried to.

Tommy: 1 is a hammer. 2 is a snake. 3 is boobs. 4 is a boat. 5 is a man with a hat. They all look like the number. Number 6 is a padlock. 7 is a boomerang. 8 is a racing track. 9 is a possum. 10 is a plate and cutlery. Now what I do is I associate, I imagined a hammer hitting a phone case. I can't remember what the fucking snake was doing, but—

Jess: Biting the camera?

Tommy: Biting the camera. No, it was a 1D taking a photo of a snake. It wasn't a strong enough narrative.

Jess: Sure.

Tommy: Number 3 was boobs and a mug. Number 4 was a lunchbox on a boat. Number 5 was a man with a hat eating a muesli bar. Number 6 was something to do with— It's the padlock. Cinnamon sticks in a padlock. Yeah. So, this is what I struggled with because I literally imagined locking up a cinnamon stick, which is just a shit visual. You should never do that. 7, I imagined a frozen boomerang going across a, uh, fucking— what's the thing called that we're talking about?

Jess: A sled.

Tommy: Sled.

Jess: Number 8 was a frozen boomerang going across a sled.

Tommy: Yeah, well, because I had to remember sled, cold, all that sort of thing. Number 8, I imagined someone having a sleep in a sleeping bag around a racing track. Number 9, I had forgotten, but it was a shit one.

Jess: It was a Charging cable.

Tommy: A possum wrapped up in a charging cable. That was a bad one.

Josh: Killer.

Tommy: And number 10 was a sauce— sorry, a frying pan in the cutlery and plate. So, that's how I did it, guys.

Josh: I mean, it was, yeah, this is a nerve-wracking situation.

Tommy: But are you sort of impressed by that or no?

Josh: What I was more impressed about was the memory, which you spent a lot of time probably doing, of those 10 things. Like, that's impressive that you just recall that.

Tommy: And then you have to get into the teens, you have to then apply something else. So it's like everything is on fire. Do you want to try it?

Josh: No, definitely not. All right, let's, um, throw this to Dill. 3D Dill, uh, motivational quote for your hump day.

Tommy: A bit quickly, what was number 8 items?

Mason: No, the racetrack.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, that was mine.

Josh: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sleeping bag.

Tommy: Yes, sleeping bag, because you said that. Yeah, I know, I was trying to see if he remembered.

Mason: No, I, I Yeah, I mean, I wasn't really trying to actively remember.

Tommy: Okay, all those things.

Mason: I will say though, before I do the quote thing, that I— it's— I find it interesting how you were able to remember by associating those things.

Josh: Yeah, I was trying to work it out as you're going because you're looking around, and I thought you were looking— I wasn't really—

Tommy: objects.

Jess: Yeah, no, I've— I'm surprised you haven't, uh, gone into like memory palaces and stuff. I feel like that'd be your sort of thing.

Josh: So guys, let's just not give it to him because he didn't remember them all.

Jess: Yeah, but I was definitely—

Tommy: so So that's the other, the other method is performance.

Josh: Yeah, so subpar.

Tommy: The performance sold. Yeah, I think even though you fucked it. And the thing is that I, um, yeah, the whole like going into rooms of a house, very effective as well. The other one too, which I think we could do as a team, is, um, you like memorising a deck of cards, and then once you have the deck of cards, you can do a bunch of other stuff.

Josh: We need to get, um, Todd Sampson on. Like, that was so impressive. Yeah, he's, um, what's that show called?

Tommy: He's done it.

Josh: He's good.

Jess: Uh, yeah, oh good, Body Hacks coming out next week.

Tommy: Oh yeah, it's one of those ones. Yeah, but there's, there's a book called, uh, Moonwalking with Einstein, which is all about memory.

Josh: I mean, Tim Ferriss, I remember him talking about the redesign of notes.

Tommy: Redesign.

Josh: Thank you. On a, you know, show me a note, show me a $1 bill or whatever, and I can memorise all the numbers on the bill.

Tommy: It is, it's sort of impressive. The problem with these things I found is it's like outside of doing a podcast or even a part, like it's not a good party trick.

Josh: No, I know. I actually heard recently about, um, brain training apps are bullshit.

Jess: Yes.

Josh: I think they're not actually—

Jess: It was on Joe Rogan, was it?

Josh: I don't know, I heard in a podcast somewhere as well. Yeah, brain training apps are bullshit. They don't actually train, they're not training your brain, they're like Your brain's just memorizing. Yeah, it's a memorising form of the pattern.

Tommy: But I mean, that's— I think that's life, isn't it?

Josh: Yeah, but they're sold as do your training, help your brain.

Tommy: Yeah, sure. All right. Yeah.

Josh: So takes away 3D.

Tommy: So 3D Dill has been doing quotes. You've become prolific for doing Instagram posts and putting inspiring quotes underneath them, captions.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so we thought as a benchmark, when we fucking remember at the end of the show, yeah, you can do a quote. And before, before you say the quote, if you're listening to us and you have Instagram, take a screen grab and put it up as an Insta storey so we know you're listening.

Jess: Tell us the 10 items.

Tommy: Yes. Yeah, yeah. If you remember the 10 items, rewind, list them out. So, uh, it was—

Mason: this one comes from— I went on a date with a girl last year, and it was like— it was— we only went on like 3 dates, but it was probably the best date that I've ever been on.

Tommy: What did you do?

Mason: We literally spent the evening riding, riding our bikes around town and just having simple conversation.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And like, it was— how's the weather? It was, it was just like really like we were both not distracted by our phones or anything. We were just enjoying talking to each other. And it was—

Tommy: that's why I made the Quad Lock. Yeah, exactly.

Mason: So from that, I learned that the greatest and most emotionally wealthy thing in a person's life is the power of a simple conversation.

Tommy: Is it?

Mason: Which is what we're doing right here.

Tommy: Yeah. Was it a BMX?

Josh: What sort of—

Mason: I was on a road bike, she was on a mountain bike. Okay.

Josh: Did you have your clickers in cleats or whatever?

Mason: No, I didn't. I just had normal runners on, but she paced me out up a hill. She beat me up a hill on a mountain.

Tommy: Really? Because it was a mountain bike, you think?

Mason: No, I was on a road bike. I should be faster.

Josh: Small quads.

Mason: She was fit. She's fit as fuck.

Tommy: Yeah, okay. That's good to know. All right guys, it's a Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow.

Josh: See you guys.