It’s Good To Be Back

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 373.

Josh: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Tommy: Mr. 97's having a good day.

Mason: Yeah, I love it.

Josh: Great day. You can't see it here, guys, if you're watching on YouTube, but I— when I look at the camera lens, I can just see Mr. 97's teeth. Just— they're quite white. So if you just like, Josh, look at the camera and see his teeth smile. He's got a big smile, big chompers, and you can see him in your peripheral.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I see what you mean. I thought you meant like in the lens.

Josh: No, not in the lens. No, no, just off to the back because Mr. 97's behind the camera. Uh, what's happening, guys?

Tommy: You well? Uh, yeah, had a, uh, uh, McMuffin this morning.

Josh: Oh yeah, what? Amazing. So did I, dude.

Tommy: Yeah, did you?

Josh: I know you got them for us.

Tommy: Yeah, I actually thought it was a stitch-up.

Josh: No, definitely not a stitch-up. You know what, because we've gotten a bit of a habit here, which is not the greatest of habits, eating bread.

Tommy: Pitting bread's fine.

Josh: Yeah, I know, but for me personally, I don't— I love bread so much. I can find a better habit. So I love it though, like a Massaman curry. Anyway, yeah, I felt like, um, I felt like I just wanted something, you know, in my stomach. In my stomach, I just wanted a little something. Yeah. And it came down, the bread was rotten. The bread was—

Tommy: what do you mean?

Josh: You know, it was getting a bit fluffy. You know how it gets some— it gets a bit of hair, it looks like it's growing hair. You know, it's, um, it's mould.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: So, so you went to make something here?

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Piece of toast.

Josh: Yeah. And the bread was mouldy. And so I was like, I really want something. And you messaged me yesterday while I was at a cafe and said, can you just bring me home a latte? And you said, like, do you like a brew? Flat white. It was an almond flat white. Anyway, so that's why I texted you, because I knew you were walking, and I said, get us a few, yeah, McMuffins. Not even Fat Fridays, but that's like the limit. I've, I've actually— I haven't eaten Maccas this year. It's been pretty good.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Other than breakfast. So like, there's a— other than breakfast, sure, I will eat. That's it. I won't eat the burgers like the, you know, the big meat patties and shit. I don't know, it's just been good.

Tommy: I've actually— I've noticed something that the conversation that you always have when you're eating these.

Josh: What is it? A conversation?

Tommy: Dude, think about it. Do you remember what the conversation— when you were eating as well, we were all eating.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Do you remember like the first thing that you like think and say?

Josh: Yum, the cheese.

Tommy: And you're like, hmm, how was gym last night for you? 97. So I feel like maybe deep down there's something. I think maybe subconsciously you feel some, like, you connect the McDonald's thing with gym and all that.

Josh: Was there a little bit of fat fuck?

Tommy: Yeah, maybe being a little bit guilty.

Josh: No, it's— I mean, what conversation do you have with Mason other than, uh, chicks? You got any on the go? Usually it's a no. And then it's, um, 'How's the gym?' Yeah. Or it's, uh, 'How's your diet?' Or it's, 'What was on Joe Rogan?' Yeah, he's a traditional bloke, you know, like that's just what goes on. I'll tell you something else though, Josh, I need to inform you.

Tommy: I don't like the sound of this.

Josh: The Coconut Crew has infiltrated the big media company headquarters.

Tommy: What do you mean?

Josh: I'm in the bathroom and what do I see? Coconut oil. This is a jar just perched up in our bathroom here.

Tommy: Absolutely not.

Josh: So I want to know firstly, who's this? So Mr. 97, not you?

Mason: Not even me.

Josh: 3D Deal?

George: It's mine.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, you've recruited— this is a fresh recruit.

Tommy: He's not shtick. He's not even like, haha, I planned it. He's like, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Look, so if you don't know—

Tommy: oh, smells great on your microphone.

Josh: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it smells great. It smells like, like I'm about to start cooking some, um, bliss balls recipe by Steph Claire Smith. But, um, uh, yeah, so this is— did you know that you'd got a new recruit, Mr. 97?

Mason: No, I had no idea.

Josh: I mean, he's joined the cult.

Tommy: How often are you using it?

George: Rarely. Okay, mainly because I, like, I can't put it in my, in my hair anymore. Oh yeah, I can like scoop it in, but then I go to put it in my hair and it's just a big glob.

Josh: Really? I mean, we should maybe just— I mean, there's something nice about it. How much do I put in my hair? I'll do it now because I've got some long luscious hair.

Tommy: Just, I mean, you maybe do it when you're wet, when it's probably like a pea size.

Mason: Maybe a bit less than that.

Josh: It's rock hard. Is this normal?

Tommy: It's because it's so cold out.

Josh: Is this normal?

George: Like, okay, the bathroom gets cold too.

Josh: Okay, so there you go.

Mason: No, that's a lot.

Josh: Oh, it's too much?

George: Yeah, it's a lot.

Mason: I would do a quarter of that.

Josh: Okay, quarter of that, like that much.

Mason: So Tommy is probably a bit less than that.

Tommy: Currently got it on his finger.

Josh: Okay, okay. All right. It's very fussy.

Mason: I mean, and then just like rub it into your hands.

Josh: So it's always— with the amount I'm putting in, I'm worried about you fucking the headphones. With the amount you've got going in, you've got like, this jar will last you 2 years.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Wow. Okay.

George: I started to use that for cooking. I did some cooking the other day to make lunches for everybody and—

Josh: Okay. So I'm about to— so it's my hands just look oily. So now I just, what do I do?

Tommy: Do you put it from the front?

Mason: Like that? Yeah. I've heard of—

Tommy: You sort of go backwards.

Josh: Mate, we're not trying to get volume through the back. We're not, we're not.

Tommy: I just worry that you start to look a bit sort of like, I am just gonna look like a greasy car salesman.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Do you know, once I, when I got, um, I mean, my last, the last car that I bought was our Hyundai, um, went to a range of car sales places to just, you just, it's, it is one of the worst experiences ever.

Tommy: I looked for it. I let Bri— like, Bri was more passionate about the whole thing than I was.

Josh: I mean, you let her take charge in most things.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: And so she did that. But the thing was, it ended up— it was a classic. Well, do you remember what happened?

Josh: Oh, they fucked up.

Tommy: Well, they sold us a car. They said that it was like a 2015 i30, and it turns out it was a 2014 i30. And the— but the one that— because there's a difference between when it comes in to Australia.

Josh: Yeah, so it's like landed dates and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, I had like the most fucking, like, um, it was like, what's the word, like the terrible experience? No, no, no, like you'd see it in a movie.

Tommy: Uh, the, the, is it archetypal? No, no, no, no, stereotypical. Yeah, car salesman archetype.

Josh: I was in this, I was in this room, he writes down the number of how much slides it across the table, just slides it across. Just slid on some coconut oil. I think he was a part of the crew, and I was just like, is this guy fucking for real?

Tommy: He's like playing a character almost.

Josh: He was— yeah, it was disgusting. Anyway, anyway, we're now drawing conclusions between car salesmen and coconut. So, 3D Dill, yeah, you have that.

Tommy: Enjoy that.

George: It's quite loud.

Tommy: Uh, big, big news, uh, social media-wise.

Josh: Uh, is it though? Is it? I mean, yeah, sure, I'll give it. I'll give you, I'll give you that.

Tommy: Do you think it— like, what's your— so for people who aren't playing at home, uh, I'm playing at home. That's funny though, I guess. Uh, I've, uh, unretired. What would you call it? It's not even a word. Can you do it?

Mason: Come out of retirement.

Josh: Come out of retirement.

Tommy: Yeah, I've come out of retirement. And so I'm back on my Instagram account, @joshjanson on Instagram.

Josh: Has— so how many— how long has this been?

Tommy: So I properly— so on earlier in the week I decided to sort of do a soft launch.

Josh: Just internally?

Tommy: Yeah. So I went to anyone—

Josh: did you tell Bree?

Tommy: I told Bree because she's like, why are you on your phone more than you normally? And it's because I was unarchiving. I had like 2,500 images that I had gone through individually archiving.

Josh: I don't think a lot of people know that. Like even Mr. 97 said he's re-uploaded all these photos. And I said, no, he went through and picked out 300 that he liked. So there's an archival process. You can literally just craft your feed to what you want.

Tommy: So when people say like Instagram is just a highlights reel, mine is the highlights of the highlights because I've, I've, I upload, I realise like the shit that I used to put on. Yeah. Just like so many, just like tacos.

Josh: No, you posted some of the worst shit.

Tommy: Yeah, it's worse.

Josh: But now it looks good. I really appreciate it. It's probably a good, a good thing to do if you have a heap of photos.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Go through and cull the ones that don't serve anybody.

Tommy: Yeah, it felt good. So no, but it's good. It's good to be back. I do.

Josh: I feel like— is this— is it when you say it's good to be back, are you honestly saying that? Like, yeah, because you've been on So, so what we're talking about is the retirement from your personal Instagram, which is nice. Kind of secretly went in, was like peeking through the curtain. Just very rarely. What's happening here, guys?

Tommy: Very rarely. Bree nearly had a heart attack when she saw that I had 18 unread DMs on Josh Jansen.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so that's the area that, um, the inbox—

Josh: imagine if Bree had a heart attack at that, imagine Mr. 97 when he was on with the Shameless Girls. Yeah. And the DMs he got.

Tommy: Do you know what peak DM amount you got to? How many unread at one time?

Mason: Uh, yeah, upwards of 20.

Josh: What was your heart rate at? 120?

Mason: Yeah, pretty much.

Tommy: But it's, uh, it's interesting though because you forget about all these different people that you have on your personal Instagram.

Josh: Anything good come out of you being back on?

Tommy: No, not really. Gemma Watts trolled me on Instagram.

Josh: I mean, you got a bunch of trolls, Mr. 97. What were the trolls that were coming through?

Mason: Oh, yeah. So, Gemma sent a message in saying, here's an idea, finish the book, Josh.

Tommy: And yeah. The book.

Josh: No, no, no. Let's not get sidetracked. I want to talk about the lifestyle. But we can get there.

Tommy: It's not an empty conversation. I actually want to address the book.

Josh: Okay, great. We'll go.

Mason: What else? Okay, well, we got another one from Sean Parker. WTF, shouldn't you be writing that book and not posting on Instagram?

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Yeah. Okay. So, you see where they're all connecting. It's amazing. They're just really getting personal there. I mean, come through your personal account. Does it feel more impactful because it's not through the Daily Talk Show and it's actually to Josh Janson, which we don't have? Like, I was having a conversation with Yamiso last night through the Daily Talk Show, which you can look and everyone else—

Tommy: well, because she said, oh, you sp— oh, this is a— put all of this aside, we've got a fucking important, uh, meeting we have to have right now in regards to the mailout that we did.

Josh: So last time I did the mailout personally, I took the initiative. I wrote the hand— I handwrote each note to the person that got the stickers and I sent them out. There was like, what, 15 at that point? And I quickly— I just didn't even give a shit about the handwriting. It was with the texture. It wasn't ideal handwriting situation. And I got trolled by Josh.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: So, no one gives a shit about your handwriting, mate. No one cares.

Tommy: No, it's nice to have a little bit of thought, but what we discovered—

Josh: Thought isn't necessarily clean handwriting because—

Tommy: Do you think that maybe there is something, and this is a generalisation and it's— I don't think it's true. But do you think that people with poor handwriting, there is an external perception that they might be stupid?

Josh: Doctors, notorious for having poor handwriting.

Tommy: I think they've got a certain type of— They've got a certain aesthetic to it, which is just like—

Josh: My dad, he's not dumb.

Tommy: Squiggly. But the thing is, I just, I feel like there is something people respect nice handwriting, but then so we divided into—

Josh: People like you respect nice handwriting. I could not give a fuck, dude.

Tommy: You do.

Josh: You're anal about spelling, grammar. Like, it's, it's Lynn Jansen, your fault.

Tommy: Um, but I'm actually not that good as well, but maybe it's because I wasn't good when I was a kid. I'm still not.

Josh: Yeah, but that's it. But what I'm saying is not everyone cares, and if someone's receiving a nice little gift anyway, what they probably will give a shit about is when you spell their name wrong.

Mason: Oh no.

Tommy: All right, so was that on my message? Let's find out. Let's think, who do you, who do you think it could have been? If we, if we go through the list, who would— can you pull up the list of people that we mailed stuff out to, and I'll say whether we can work out who wrote which one.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then we— and then TJ can— and if the person feels like they may have fucked up, they can jump in.

Josh: They can step forward and say, all right, so who—

Mason: so what— this was with the hats?

Tommy: Yes.

Mason: Okay.

Tommy: The squeegee and the hats.

Mason: Okay.

Josh: No, not the squeegee. Just, just the hats. Just the hats. Just stickers and patches. Yeah.

Tommy: Ross. Do you say Russ? Ross.

George: Ross.

Josh: Ross.

Tommy: Okay. Ross. Ross. Okay. Ross. Okay. Ross.

Josh: Didn't even know we sent someone to Ross.

Tommy: Did we send someone to Ross?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What's Ross's?

Josh: I remember someone who wrote Ross.

Tommy: Oh, Ross. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

George: Sorry.

Mason: Nick, Neil, Josh, Sean, Trev.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Sean.

Tommy: Yeah, you fucked it.

Josh: Who did it? Is that you?

Mason: I definitely did that.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: And so the thing was A-U-N.

Josh: No, you wrote S-H-A-W-N. Sean, and he's an S-H-A-U-N. Oh yeah.

Tommy: And so the thing is that he's so polite, he didn't say anything, but—

Josh: and he even posted it on Instagram.

Tommy: I get it from Bree though. Bree's like, I just sort of like— he's like, did you do the stuff? It's like, yeah.

Josh: No, she said, you know why? Okay, we need to make it clear. I didn't write that, you didn't write that, but it said from Josh and TJ, and because it said Josh first I assumed you wrote it because I would have written my name first if I was the one responsible for it. And so, with love, we can do with love from Josh and TJ from Mr. 97 because I can't handle taking the blame for this shit.

Tommy: It's not good. You've got your own problems. You've got your own problems. Many problems. But even Molly in Queensland pointed out, like, took a photo of the back. Did you see? You wouldn't have seen this. No, no, no. She sent us a photo of the back of the envelope where our PO box was written. And she said, uh, geez, like baby's handwriting. It was just a post because it was just horrendous. So it's like that handwriting, hashtag big baby. It is pretty, uh, look at that. It almost looks like, it looks like you were using your mouth.

Josh: You just got your pen license.

Mason: Yeah, pretty much. Well, it's not ideal writing on those post bags at the post office.

Tommy: Well, I mean, they're pretty shit bags. No, these weren't. This wasn't, you were—

Josh: Hang on, did you put stuff into the bag first and then wrote on it? Because that's what—

Mason: with one of them I put it in and then I realised that it's right on the back. But with all the others, yeah.

Tommy: But the, uh, I mean, I mean, uh, Mr. 97 is testament to the fact that you can have shit handwriting. Yes. And he's done it like you do. You did well on your exams. I wonder how many marks he lost.

Josh: He's a digital baby. Yeah, like he's been using computers longer than— like, you've probably used computers more in your life even by the time you were in year 7 than you did a handwritten thing.

Mason: Yeah, probably.

Tommy: It's still good to appreciate hand— of course, handwriting.

Josh: Of course there's a place for it. There's a place for it. Doesn't need to get in the way of your life though.

Tommy: What do you think the place for it is?

Josh: Journaling. I think there's a journaling— journaling, just like no one's gonna see you just like writing a Seth Godin book when you promise that you have done it. Like, that's a place for it, to be honest.

Tommy: Well, so the, the Seth Godin— so it's the 20th today.

Josh: Yeah. And so you had made the promise that by the 1st of July, the book would be complete, all 300 and something pages.

Tommy: I think what people don't realise, what might get lost is how angry me making these promises makes you. Do you think that's fair?

Josh: Not even. No, like, it just becomes a joke. Like I even said, but do you think—

Tommy: but I feel like it's the way that you described it before.

Josh: Like, I think I'm someone who I, I get really— I forgot to send an email yesterday that I'd said that I would have out to them. So I told the person and I just got down on myself because I, I love saying something and following through with that. Yeah, that's exactly— I was doing that, that's a value of me. Yeah, so it's a value that I hold true. And so I guess when it's— when you're in a show environment like this.

Tommy: Well, you don't under— you don't know, you don't know the pro— what pressure I have on myself to get it done.

Josh: No, I do, I do, I do. That's why I haven't really gone—

Tommy: Because I'm going to—

Josh: I haven't really—

Tommy: The book is getting done. So, it's the 20th today. It's the 1st is when it's due. Yeah. When I do, if I did, uh, it was like 25 pages a day starting today. What are you thinking, Threadado?

Josh: It's—

George: you've said if I do this many pages starting today, you've said that for like the last 20 days.

Tommy: It's how fucking math works though. Yeah, it's fair, isn't it?

George: But you have to, you have to actually start doing it.

Josh: I encourage you to keep writing. So you, you bought a bunch of paper and you're writing on that, and then you got 15 pages in or whatever, and then you said, oh, I'm gonna buy a new book. Like, they couldn't be more the epitome of a struggling artist that is finding every obstacle to place in front of them. The pen, the book.

Tommy: Do you know what's annoying? I guess the annoying bit, to be a bit vulnerable for a second. Yeah. Is that it is way harder than what you think.

Josh: Oh dude, I absolutely get it.

Tommy: Because the thing is, it's like the easy— I guess the part of it is it's like you think it's, it's like going to the gym. Oh, of course. I think it's only going to take X amount of time.

Josh: I mean, it's like Yeah, there's contact hours.

Tommy: I even caught myself this morning, like, it's in my mind, like I said, um, something about the word promise or something in my Insta story, and then I just blurted out the end, ah, and the Seth Godin book's coming. I hadn't even like done anything at that point. But yeah, no, I feel it, dude.

Josh: Like, I did, I did, um, take my foot off the pedal.

Tommy: But I do, I don't want to just be all talk. So if there was a way, if we were, if this was somewhat of an intervention, a personal one.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: What would make you guys feel happy?

Josh: So two things. Rob from Quad Lock gave you a nice troll.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Is he what he wrote to you?

Tommy: Yeah, but I don't know. I think he was sort of backing me up.

Josh: No. Well, he said something around. He said like I'm So 8 months you were off social media, 8 months you got out of your personal Instagram account, which was—

Tommy: can I say, I don't see me coming back on Instagram as a fail.

Josh: No, no, I don't either. I don't either. I don't think anyone has.

Tommy: Because the idea was that I was like, okay, I think I'm using Instagram way differently now. Plus, yeah, I got rid of Twitter. Like, I don't need Twitter. Facebook, done.

Josh: No, this is the thing. Like we all joke about you not actually retiring, but it does, like drastic action can sort of make, make change, make change, whether it's 40% change, which is a good thing, right? But Robbie Ward said, for a JJ fad, 8 months is decent.

Tommy: I definitely didn't do keto for—

Josh: You're known as a bit of the fad guy, and I don't want you to be known as the guy that does it. Well, I mean, you could say—

Tommy: Innovator.

Josh: These are all positives. I guess there's a bit of a— what I'm saying is—

Tommy: Experimenter.

Josh: You, you talk about you're doing something.

Tommy: Inventor.

Josh: You vocalise what you, what you were going to do. It's the grand gesture which you've written about.

Tommy: It's in my blog, the last blog post I did.

Josh: I thought you were saying it's in my blood.

Tommy: All these things annoy the fuck out of me. If you go to my now page on Josh Janson, yeah, So the now page.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: The way that it's a 3D deal, you've— do you have a now page?

George: I have a now page.

Tommy: So yeah. So what was the— what's the idea behind the now page?

George: It's just to show— or not to show, but to articulate to people who happen to come onto your website, like what it is that you're up to in that certain period of time, whether it's you're updating it daily, weekly.

Tommy: So it's meant to be regular. The thing is, it's meant to—

Josh: it's the about me, but actively changing.

Tommy: Exactly. Because it's about me. So the problem is that I've— my now page, it says at the top, when did I update my now page, Mr. 97?

Mason: Uh, March 6th.

Josh: March 6th.

Tommy: It's April, May, June 20th, so it's like 3 months.

Josh: 3 months.

Tommy: It's time to update because I think the bit that annoys me is it says that I'm reading the book Digital Minimalism, I think, in it. And it's— yes, I got that book. I have. Yeah.

Mason: Have you read it?

Tommy: Uh, I skimmed. I've changed— maybe in all seriousness, I've changed the white— like, remember we were Talking about changing how you read books and all that sort of thing. What did I actually say that I was doing, by the way? Out of curiosity.

Mason: You're trying to figure out a social media strategy for your podcast, The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: I've just managed to handball that.

Josh: You've got a meeting after this.

Tommy: Yeah, perfect.

Mason: You're reorienting your goals after moving into a new apartment. No long commute, regular routine around eating, sleeping, reading, and writing is a priority.

George: Okay.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So it's good though, if I can— this is like, if you've got a New Year's resolution right now and you haven't thought about it in a couple of months, dust it off. Like, what's the other option? Is being like, I fucked up. I said I was going to do it, I didn't do it. But surely there's got to be a redemption. Maybe this is the month for redemption for me. If I was to do the Seth Godin book, I can't do too much at once. That's the other thing, because it's like, I can't— I don't have capacity to read every day and do this Seth Godin book. I guess we can see it as reading and writing for the next 10 days.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I mean, we've got quite a bit happening for the next 10 days. This is where I, I, I get it. Like, there's, there's goals, then there's the logic of the situation, there's life, there's everything in between. And so I feel for you. Like, I think that's as much as people fucking give you shit and they troll you, we also show up every single day and do this. So—

Tommy: but this is my— that's my only defence really, isn't it? Like, I'm lucky that I have the podcast, because if I didn't have the podcast, I'd be a bit of a—

Josh: would just be less people caring about—

Tommy: well, it's not less care, but I wouldn't have the consistent thing.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. So I mean, you're, you're a man who lives a life of shtick. And so I don't know what ends up becoming shtick. Like I said on this podcast before, this could be the thing that actually just never gets done but we talk about for 10 years, which is quite funny by the end of the 10 years.

Tommy: No, I don't know if it would be. No, it's funny for us because we're just like, even BK, like, people are coming in. I know BK said to me that if I could get it done by the 25th, which he knows, 5 days. Yeah, he said he would donate 10— oh, sorry, $1,000. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, it's quite good.

Tommy: Yeah. But it's just like physically that becomes hard.

Josh: I mean, that's a Tesla deposit.

Tommy: Exactly. I think part of the thing with all of this stuff, if you were to deconstruct this into normal, like lives, like whatever everyone else is dealing with, it's like what I'm telling myself in my head is it's like I need a, a better, like I need a desk at home. I don't have like a nice desk.

Josh: This is a nice little nook.

Tommy: I don't have a desk to sit at.

Josh: Isn't there like a little—

Tommy: there is that little—

Josh: there's a deck, there's a thing that's built as a desk.

Tommy: You just put a chair in. My point is that they're all excuses.

Josh: Yeah. So, and so what's the learning? Like, other than— I don't want to— we don't need to—

Tommy: so we need to break it or not because we just—

Josh: I think we don't talk about the pro— the promise of the delivery date because we've talked about that a lot. It's more about—

Tommy: but the funny thing is it's weird because I want to lean into the delivery date as a way of motivating me. But you've done it July 1st, because—

Josh: but you've done it, yeah, since January or February, whenever we decided, which is why—

Tommy: was it that long ago? And that's what annoys me as well. Did I really commit?

Josh: I know it was last year. It was like, yes, it was, you know, November last year.

Mason: Oh my God, it's been 6 months! November 6th last year.

Tommy: Oh geez, there's November— it was going to be New Year's Eve, that was the whole thing.

Josh: Yeah, but anyway How's your support at home? Yeah, what's Bree like? Like, what is Bree like around this? Is she getting to a point where she's getting embarrassed or she's like, well, she doesn't even back off.

Tommy: I've got you completely understood. She's like, oh, haven't you got a book? Are you doing that book still? Is that still happening?

Josh: Oh, there's— so I remember, I mean, fronting up and telling people your goals. I remember telling somebody, good friend of mine, still close friends to this day, but I felt really kind of hurt by it. I was like to him, it was like, it's probably 18, 19, I was like, mate, I think I want to be a TV presenter. And I really thought about it, I was like, yeah, I've got to do this, like it's me moving into this new career, new space.

Tommy: What did he say?

Josh: Oh yeah, and then he's like, oh, and I had quite bad skin at that time, like I had really bad skin growing up and it sort of flared back up when I was 18.

Tommy: When did you go on Roaccutane?

Josh: Yeah, 16, and I was really a few cases where it came back. So a lot of people take Roaccutane and it fucks their face up for a while, makes their skin go worse, but then it goes completely. My brother's went. Yours went?

Tommy: Yeah, mine went.

Josh: Yeah, yours went.

Tommy: Although I've got this fucking scalp thing that's not—

Josh: that's a different case. But mine came back, and so I remember he said something about, oh, you probably have to get your skin right before you do that. Oh, but But I was just like, that is, he didn't know that that was such a sensitive place for me, you know. And yeah, you just have so much wrapped up in your identity around your face. Most people do for their whole entire existence.

Tommy: I guess part of it too is how much of the motivation that we have, all the ways that we commit to doing things is wrapped up in actual negative talk rather than positive talk.

Josh: Negative talk within yourself?

Tommy: Well, yeah, as in it's like, for me, the stuff around the gym or being healthy is all around like, you don't want to get fucking where you were before. Like, it's, it's that type of talk. And so I guess it's, it's like, I wonder how many people use Motivate, like, use the negative stuff as the driving force and whether that's good long term. I'm trying to balance the two. I'm trying to be like—

Josh: We want to move away from pain. And so pain can be, you know, being fat as a young kid can be a cause of a lot of pain emotionally, mentally, physically.

Tommy: It feels like that's the answer too. I feel, I think that when, like when I lost the weight, there was the thing that like, 'Arge, like I've got my shit together,' which is not the— which is a superficial way, because you can lose weight a fucking million different ways. That's why people have eating disorders.

Josh: And so there's a pain not great enough yet for you?

Tommy: Well, no, the book— no, I think it's—

Josh: I don't think you need to inflict more.

Tommy: Well, I don't know if it's effective. Yeah, I don't know if the pain stuff is actually like whether it works. Maybe it works for some people.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: But, um, for me, there's, there's more motivation and momentum in like with the show because it's like, yeah, it's exciting, it's positive. We're not where we want to be, but we're going to get there.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like if I think about that talk versus the fear, the fear of if I don't do this, what's going to happen? You know what I mean?

Josh: At what point do we give up in life though? At what point do we say, I'm not doing this anymore? You know what, I'm Putting my hand up, I fucked up. I emailed Seth Godin. I said to him, dude, this is what I'm doing, charity. And he said, oh, that will be great. Look forward to seeing it. And at what point, like, well, I think it's an easy one to do.

Tommy: I think, I feel like, but is it? Because yeah, it is. It's only like 3 hours a day for the next 10 days.

Josh: So much time. I personally would rather you spend 3 hours on the show, on this show, on the development.

Tommy: I know that you're trying to keep giving me outs.

Josh: Well, I'm giving you out because I don't really care that much. I mean, sure, will I use it as ammunition in the future for things?

Tommy: But what if I do? What's the—

Josh: maybe—

Tommy: will you get— do you think that you guys will have more respect for me if it's done?

Josh: Uh, yeah. And so respect is a a value that you—

Tommy: Yeah, I want respect.

Josh: You want respect. I think we all want respect.

Tommy: I mean, that's why we do shit. That's why, like, that's why I think most people do the things they do in life is because it's like they, they want respect, right?

Josh: Yeah. I mean, there's a— there's what, called the core needs of people. Like, people want to be loved, respected. So there's like a bunch of our core needs. Not— maybe not. I think respect is, uh, Yeah, I guess it is. I guess it's something that most people want in life.

Tommy: Miss an A7.

Josh: Because it's shit when you don't have— you don't have respect, then you realise how much you want respect when people fucking disrespect your shit.

Tommy: Do you have anything at the moment that you, uh, that you speak negatively to yourself about?

Mason: Um, yeah, probably, probably in terms of like, uh, developing socially. So like, I make all this progress and then I speak negatively when something like a bad interaction happens and it just feels like you've gone back to the start.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And who's gonna say chicks?

Tommy: I guess that's all wrapped up in that stuff.

Mason: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And so like you cut— you come off like the back of like 2 dates or whatever and, and it's like a high, like you've done so well in that, and then you have an awkward conversation or whatever and it's like, yeah, that sort of stays in your head.

Tommy: Do you think that the— what do you think the impact is of having people around you like us also invested in the thing that's—

Mason: I think you have to have it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Otherwise you wouldn't do it otherwise. Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have done it otherwise.

Tommy: Sure.

Mason: So you have to have that to push you.

Josh: You need to be like prompting.

Mason: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, you need that to realise that you actually can do it.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And so how much for you— this is getting kind of deep, getting vulnerable. Like the stuff when we're talking about, when we're joking about a little bit of prompting and your mum's, you know, you should have spoken to me and everyone around you because they love you. It's not like this, like, no, fuckwit, you're a loser, you fucked up.

Tommy: Um, you could easily say it like that.

Josh: Yeah, but so it's not like that because we do love you, but what's your interpretation of it? Like, what's your interpretation of the shtick of the fun that we have around. Yeah, with you.

Mason: No, I get it. I think it's— I mean, you sort of— I mean, like, initially you sort of have to have a sort of thick skin, but you sort of— you come around to it. Like, it's— it doesn't— I don't think it affects me that much. I think it's— you have to look at it in a funny ass— like, in a funny regard for it to be— for you to learn from it.

Tommy: So what about you, 3D Dill? What do you think negatively about, or negative speak Like, I know for a fact that I'm hard on myself in terms of like standards.

George: Like if I produce a piece of work, I want it to be the best standards that I can physically get it to, and I think it's great. And then I bring it to someone else and they're like, yeah, but what if you did this, this, this? So it's like definitely taking criticism is something that early on I was never good at. And I would get— even though it's constructive criticism, I would take it as they were bashing me and my work, not just the work. Because like, I think one people— one thing people have to realise is it's never full— it's never personal. Yeah, it's the work. Just the work can be bad and you can still be good. It's just because the work isn't bad doesn't mean you're good or you're bad as well. Yeah, so like understanding and accepting that and being okay with that was hard. But like, I've gotten better, but I know it's something I still struggle with.

Tommy: Ira Glass has a great bit of audio. It's on Vimeo. They've done like a video to it that's talking about like the gap between your stat— your style and standards of the work that you want to produce and what you can actually produce.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: So a lot of creators, it's like, you know what looks good. Which makes it more painful when you get into Photoshop and you try to do it, do something that looks like shit.

Josh: Well, I think there's definitely like, we talked about it recently, as I was saying, making videos has got harder because standards are increasing. So I'm like, this isn't what I want it to be like, exactly what you're saying. But then those little, you can form habits around just get it out there, see the mistake, but even post it. So if you have the deadline works for this show. It's why we don't sort of mull over something that we said wrong, or if something, you know, like if something didn't— wasn't the right color, or, you know, there wasn't a grade on something, you know, it's like we can get past that. Yeah, because we're showing up again.

Tommy: I guess that, that, like, to bring it back to the Seth Godin thing, part of the reason it's not done yet, I think, is because the standard or expectation of like I want it to be in a single book. I want it to be like nice and neat and all that sort of thing. And then even BK yesterday was saying, mate, just do every second chapter. No one will even know. That's a good point. I was just like, absolutely not. Like I've just— which is, which I don't know how— the hilarious thing about this whole thing is it's not like I even have to come up with the words.

George: There's no thinking involved.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. I just need to— I think maybe that's what I struggle with. I think I could have written. Yeah, I could write a book. This isn't a promise, but I could write a book easier than I could rewrite a book. Maybe.

Josh: Has it made you rethink how you throw out promises like no tomorrow? And because I think you see these things and, and this environment is like, yeah, I'm the guy that comes in and throws crazy shit up in the air. It's like that to me. I don't want you to stop. Yeah, there's a middle ground. You have to do it. At what point but then there's the potential for playing that you're going to fail at playing. And so is this one of those times?

Tommy: Yeah, I think that it's— I think that the worst case, maybe that's the difference between like the childlike nature that ends up disappearing with people is this. I think that you could— making the promises and doing all that sort of stuff to me feels like a level of vulnerability. Whereas saying, uh, being closed off with all the things that you're doing and all that sort of thing, to me that feels like the easier option, but it won't lead to creativity. So for instance, like if you think about how ridiculous it seemed having 3D Dill here and we think about like, just like, yeah, let's make it happen. Like willing to have that conversation, say, well, yeah, maybe you could. Yeah, fucking Air Canada. If I had put my filter, if I'd put the filter on it that let's not make promises, I don't know if it would be as interesting, or shit might not happen potentially. Do you think or no?

Josh: Uh, I'm talking more personally. Like, we can be out there and think big blue sky, throw shit out there.

Tommy: Promises?

Josh: Yeah, it's more personal ones.

Tommy: My bike is annoying me at the moment.

Josh: Yeah, I saw it, I saw it on the Insta storey last night. Yeah, I was like, that poor thing's out in the rain, that'd look good in here. Studio bike, just work out where we could put it. Um, yeah, but maybe it's about the— because you don't want to not talk about the things you want to do because then they're just in your head and you can give yourself any excuse because you can actually watch Netflix and forget about what you were just promising yourself.

Tommy: Yeah, but I think the other thing too is maybe we've got enough exciting things going where my procrastination feels like it's productive. Does that make— like, so the procrastination is, it's like, oh, it's getting our website ready, or it's doing this thing.

Josh: So it's like there's always other things, always something there. Yeah. And how do you find time in life for anything? It's because you prioritise time for something.

Tommy: But I love procrastinating, and so my favourite thing to do is Like, I think—

Josh: why do you love procrastinating? Like, do you love what the result of procrastinating is? It's time spent.

Tommy: Yeah, well, no, because I think that that's like the— because when I'm procrastinating, I have to ask the question, what is it? If I could work on anything right now, what would I do? And that's what I end up doing. So for me, procrastination is maybe more a misalignment between what I want to prioritise and what I think the world wants me to prioritize.

Josh: You maybe you just made the wrong promise. There's a reality of that. I made the wrong promise. Yeah, maybe because that was your promise. We didn't force you— force that on you. So it's like you fucked up in the promise, which I'm cool with.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, the thing is, it's gonna feel great July 1st when the book's done. It's gonna feel great. Don't you agree? Yeah, yeah. But dude, imagine what it would feel like.

Josh: I think it will feel amazing. For us, I don't know.

Tommy: Really? You think that the—

Josh: I reckon I would get more enjoyment out of eating a piece of 85% chocolate right now that's on the table.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Which can't be classed as breakfast because we had the bacon and egg.

Tommy: Sure. I also had, um, that other oat thing again.

Josh: Oh yeah, great.

Mason: Orange.

Josh: Yeah, that's good, that's good. So then this is basically Your third meal.

Tommy: I didn't have any. I nearly put like a square of 85% on it. I was like, I'd much prefer to just keep that and have it as a snack later.

Josh: Yeah, true, true. So I would get more enjoyment out of that than the book.

Tommy: Do you ever find that, uh, have you ever gotten in trouble from a friend where you've gone too far with banter?

Josh: Oh, of course. I think it's, yeah.

Tommy: What's, has there been a specific moment where you've done something where it's like, you know, like we have a bunch of banter with 97 about the dating stuff and all that sort of thing.

Josh: Yeah, the banter. I was at a mate's buck's party, and we were at a restaurant, high-end Chinese restaurant, and we around the table, we were all having banter about an underworld figure who loved coming to this place. Because there's something about the top-end Chinese restaurants like this one that are old school. Smells, you know, like chlorine, smells like really clinical, but then there's like fish tanks, and then it's like red carpet. It's like But then there's fucking bogans who have rocked in in their V8 attire. And this guy who used to go there used to— he's Carl Williams, he's now dead, but he was one of the big drug kingpins in Melbourne and it was his favorite. He always talked about it, so everyone knew. Favorite restaurant. He'd be seen there in his velour fucking tracksuit and just real rich drug dealing bogan. Yeah, at that time. And we were laughing so hard about how it was his favourite restaurant because we just— it made so much sense looking around. And everything connected and I just found it so fucking funny in the banter. But our friend who organised it was a bit offended. Really? Yeah.

Tommy: Hear him in his velour tracksuit running around.

Josh: He's just offended because he's like, no, I've put in effort for this. And so the banter, which we thought was just all fun, went too far.

Tommy: Yeah. It's interesting because it feels like, um—

Josh: Oh, you're saying this banter has gone too far with The Promise and Mr. 97? No, you're not.

Tommy: No, I think it's fine. Well, I think that I'm like, you have to to— if you're going to say things, if you're going to put stuff out there, you gotta expect— it would be annoying if 3D Dill kept saying, I'm going to do this thing, do it. Like, the thing that I like about Dill is he says he's going to do it and he does it. If he didn't, I'd get real fucking annoyed.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: So yeah, yeah, I mean, I fucked up. I made that promise of doing 100 videos last year and I got 20 or something.

Tommy: We literally, like, we're trying to find— we're trying to find a file, uh, while you're in a meeting yesterday, and literally it was in video 17 and the folder was 100 100 videos. Yeah, look, the thing about it, hurt people hurt people. It's a bit true though. Who's saying that? I don't know, it's a song.

Josh: Yeah, Drake, hurt people hurt people.

Tommy: Yeah, it's not just a song, it's—

Josh: I know, it's, it's— I know it's a phrase, but it's, um, but the promise that I made there got me further than the previous year. So if the promise didn't get fulfilled, but it benefited my life.

Tommy: You're sounding like me now.

Josh: For the better. And so that's what I'm saying. I fucking embarrassed myself. I embarrassed myself. It's okay to embarrass yourself.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Were you really embarrassed?

Josh: Oh, I didn't want to address it at the start, then I was like, ah, maybe I will. But then I was like, yeah, I definitely thought it was probably the nail in the coffin in terms of the big grand gestures, because I've found more success in just fucking showing up to the gym every second day meditating every day.

Tommy: You've done so many other things.

Josh: Like, I found a cadence in the promises that I've kept that are very close. It was you and I that first started this. It was just our promise to each other, the promise to myself for the other shit. And so I found more success in that stuff and the continuous, um, you know, the continuous showing up leading to success. And then it's what matters. What does— what matters to you? Does it Does it matter to you? Like, did it ever matter to you? This is the problem. Well, does it? I'm gonna fucking run a marathon. I got no fucks giving from myself.

Tommy: No fucks giving.

Josh: I'm not giving any fucks about running marathons anytime soon, so I'm not going to make that promise.

Tommy: I think I would be more likely to make that promise.

Josh: Yeah, I know, mate, because you're the loose cannon promise guy.

Tommy: Well, because you also see people doing it and you're like, I could.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, maybe do it.

Tommy: Uh, 3D Dill, you made a promise that on July 1st you're going to make an announcement.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: How do you feel about that promise now? I mean, you—

Josh: were you just boozed, right?

Tommy: You—

George: I feel— no, I feel fine because the promise is going to come out on July 1st.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Fuck, he's even— it's bigger than it was.

Tommy: Doubling down.

George: Yeah, I'm prepared. It's all set in stone.

Tommy: It's all set in stone.

George: Yeah, I'm just waiting. Wait, gotta wait.

Tommy: Wait for the paperwork. What the fuck is he doing?

Mason: Dill was saying to me, we were walking home the other day, he was like, oh, I've got to start taking some photos and start hyping it up with a big countdown. Yeah, so it's exciting.

Josh: Where are you doing this countdown?

Tommy: Yeah, put it on the Insta story. Yeah, so what is it?

Josh: We need to know what the, uh, fuck, mate, what are you going to release?

Tommy: We don't know, we haven't signed off on your big launch on the Daily Talk Show.

George: What's—

Tommy: can you give us a hint or anything?

Josh: Or no, no, it has—

Tommy: it—

George: yeah, it kind of relates to the thumb, I guess. In a weird way.

Josh: It was the nurse. What happened with her?

George: Nothing.

Tommy: I don't know what happened. She's still waiting to get results back. It has to do with the thumb.

Josh: It relates to the thumb.

Tommy: It relates to that.

Josh: Okay, it relates to the thumb. Is it a lawsuit against us? No, no, no, no.

Tommy: And he'll be taking the Seth Godin book and he'll I don't know, we'll have to wait till July 1st and find out. Fuck, because he is one to make promises and keep them. Yeah, so, um, but also being very good. Yeah, it'll be interesting.

Josh: God, you know what I've just realized?

George: What?

Josh: If 3D Deal launches his big surprise on July 1st and you do your book there's a high chance that his is better than yours.

Tommy: The best, the best.

Josh: The prick's written the book.

Tommy: That's exactly what I thought. If he's written the book, how funny would that be? Very upsetting. But other people had said I could even be AirTask, like putting on AirTask and things like that.

Josh: So much money, you gotta pay per hour. So it's like, I'm sure you can find some 20 bucks. That's not coming out of the businesses because it feels like it's easy.

Tommy: Like when you see a book It doesn't seem that hard. So I think anyway, it's a daily talk show. If you listen this far, take a screen grab, put it on your Insta storey so we know that you're listening, and maybe email us hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Uh, maybe you've got a promise for us. We're throwing out all the promises. Yeah, would love one. Uh, tomorrow the promise, uh, the cookie promise, that was from Alexandra.

Josh: That was not our promise. She promised I mean, she— you could say it's a promise when you just say you're going to do something. You can take that as a promise. She said she's going to bring cookies and she's going to have them delivered here. Also though, someone who has been getting right behind us, the bearded fan. Yes, fan. Sorry, the bearded fan.

Tommy: Sorry, also the fan.

Josh: Yeah, the bearded fan fan. Yeah, who's a fan of the show. Yeah, on YouTube. I've just lost that fucking link to the thing.

Mason: That's right, on episode 324, which we had Peter Shepherd.

Josh: Yeah, fuck, I love Peter.

George: I heard Amy listening to that.

Josh: I just came in, like, I'm so blown away how much Amy listens to our show. Really? Well, we have this thing where I can't talk. She's like, what happened on the show? I'm like, I don't want to go there. Like, it's, it's hard because we've— it seems so, so stupid, but I find it really hard to sort of try and dive into my memory to find out what it is because I'm thinking about tomorrow.

Tommy: Bree thinks I'm so boring at home. She's like, you have all these interesting stories, you use them all up, and then you fucking come home.

Josh: This is where we see how how destructive this show is for our relationship because that's Amy's listening to fucking catch up.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I just want to catch up with her, but I get what she's meaning because we bring in quite a good version of ourselves.

Tommy: So what did the bearded femme say?

Josh: She was listening to that episode.

Tommy: Recently?

Josh: I just, yeah, like yesterday. Oh, it's like, I love Pete's voice. I just like, it's soothing. Yeah, he's soothing. Makes you feel comfy.

Tommy: Yeah, he's great.

Mason: Anyway, so the bearded femme was getting around it. This was another great episode. I got quite a bit out of this one. I loved Peter's response to Josh's question on blogs. I do a daily video vlog which I currently have no intention of posting anywhere, but I found that talking out aloud about what's going on and being able to look back on it is beneficial. I was just thinking the other day that I was being crazy and thinking it had value. Now I know that this might not be the case. The other thing is relating to meditation apps. I'm a long-time Sam Harris podcast subscriber. I was already using Headspace by the time Sam Harris released his app. I was apprehensive about switching over, but after hearing Peter also use Headspace before, I decided to give it a try.

Tommy: That's another thing that's annoying. I've still got the subscription.

Mason: Um, and then lastly, just a point on mental health here in South Africa. Men's mental health is something that is not spoken about openly. However, that is gradually changing. It's great to hear people like yourselves talk openly about anxiety. Great job.

Tommy: Yeah, interesting. Talking about anxiety Our mate Matt D'Avella did a great video all on that on his YouTube channel.

Josh: You should watch it.

Tommy: I was going to open up this, but I just got this new book that I'm excited about. Yeah, I'll keep it to myself, but it's cool. It's a— I should—

George: Amazon Prime.

Josh: I'll tell you about it.

Tommy: Amazon Prime. Amazon Prime has a bunch of good documentaries on there.

Josh: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Tommy: And so I watched the documentary and then got the book. But I didn't think of Amazon Prime as having anything good. And then, but their documentaries are great. So, anyway, there's my tip of the week. Have you got an inspirational quote?

George: No, that's for Fat Fridays tomorrow. Okay, fine.

Josh: He's really just— It tells us when the promise is coming through.

Tommy: Yeah, I appreciate it. Today, the talk show. We'll see you tomorrow, guys.

Josh: See you guys. I've got some silky coconut hair.

Tommy: Oh.