Instagram Fraud

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 337.

Tommy: What's going on, guys? What's happening?

Josh: Is that what you say?

Tommy: Yeah, I think I like it. What's going on, guys?

Josh: You've come up with a catchcry without consulting me.

Tommy: No, well, it's just what's happened naturally. What's going on, guys? Ben Brown, YouTuber, is— what is it? Something like, what's happening, what's happening, what's happening, or something. I don't like it.

Josh: Or Peter, but it's sticky, so I get—

Mason: yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, Peter McKinnon's "What's up?" What's up, guys? Yeah, but it becomes his thing. It's like String Nguyen, who was on the show, she talked about, you know, these sort of things that are sticky. She's got a visual one, which is fried chicken, which people know her for fried chicken.

Josh: Could I— maybe mine could be borrowing from what Craig Bruce talked about. Maybe I could say, "Let's open the shop." Open the shop.

Tommy: Well, I said that to you before. This is one of those days where I think it's— this could be a midweek sort of slump. We're a bit tired. We come off— we actually haven't stopped working last week, you know, we worked all the way through, even though there was some holidays on the weekend both days. And so you do get a bit tired at this point, I think.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: And so then it is about, let's open the shop, let's just get in here. What I do know is that if we sit here with the camera on and the lights on, we do end up talking about stuff.

Josh: Yeah, well The other thing too is we're becoming more self-aware based on moving studios. So what you pointed out, you asked whether you had a bigger torso than me.

Tommy: Well, I was just noticing, I mean, you're Slumpy McSally.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so I tend to—

Josh: My poor organs. Do you reckon I've got stronger organs based on them all just being fucking like smashed?

Tommy: Or severely bruised over a long period of time.

Josh: Is that a thing, do you reckon? If you don't engage your core. Are you like, have I got squished intestines?

Tommy: They're somewhere and they're being pushed, but I don't know if it's damaging them. But basically I said to Josh, we're looking at the— looking ourselves in the camera. I said, have I got a longer torso than you? Because we had two people who were like 6 foot 8 on the show, but one of them looked bigger. So one of them had to have a longer torso, which was Peter Shepherd. But I think Lewis Spears is actually taller than Peter Shepherd, but he's got really long legs. Super long legs, like really long. And so that's where I was like, I look so— I looked so much bigger than you.

Josh: But it turns out that I, I was just not engaging my core. I'm going to make an effort to be more engaged.

Tommy: I will say doing weights makes you— so like the action of what, like, um, bench pressing, pull-ups, chin-ups.

Josh: I could do anything in the world and you would say the solution is weights.

Tommy: I'm like, I'm feeling a bit—

Josh: my mind's a bit foggy. You know what, you need to be doing something.

Tommy: Definitely, you reckon that would be a definite solution, Mr. 97. But from a, like, a stature and posture perspective, it like everything pulls back. So when you are doing the right form when you're lifting, sure, you are activating and getting that posture that you want and locking it. Yeah, my sister-in-law bought online. I just overheard this conversation that she was having with—

Josh: was this when you were napping again in the other room?

Tommy: No, this was at her place and the family was there. I just overheard this conversation where it was like, oh, I bought this thing, I saw it come up on Instagram, it was an ad, and it's this brace where you put it on and it holds your shoulders back.

Josh: I want one of them.

Tommy: No, you don't.

Josh: I've seen something similar.

Tommy: This is a fucking band-aid.

Josh: Is it? But does it not get— isn't it like, like, I loved when the osteo would tape me up because I felt like you're not an athlete, you're not a sports player, you're not—

Tommy: the thing is, you don't need to play footy to be taped up. Well, because you're severely injured, so they're trying to prevent something happening at the moment. The problem is there's no actual gain of strength just because you're holding your shoulders back, just means you're changing the position.

Josh: It's like taped on muscles, which I can get behind. If I had the option of spending 30 minutes doing resistance training, yeah, or 5 minutes getting Bree to tape me up each morning.

Tommy: You choose the—

Josh: you choose the—

Tommy: choose the tape. The tape is the, the quick fix. There is the decision though, because either way, if you don't do any exercise, I'm sure you're probably in pain. And when you do exercise, you're in pain in some respects. There is some sort of ache or some sort of just like, oh, I'm working that. But one is something that is progress pain.

Josh: Well, I've been walking a bunch more.

Tommy: Oh, this is not about you, dude. I don't want you to feel like you don't need to justify it.

Josh: But I have been, to be clear for the people at home, I've been walking more. I've been—

Tommy: You were furiously sweating this morning when I came in. Yeah, your forehead, you looked like you were drenched. You alright?

Josh: What was happening?

Tommy: I don't know, you just looked really sweaty. Maybe it was just you.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: Yeah, that's what I was wanting to know.

Josh: I was FaceTiming with Peter Sheppard.

Tommy: Hey, did you notice the sweat on Josh's forehead? I think that during— can we call him?

Josh: No, no, we're not calling.

Tommy: Oh no, he doesn't answer the phone.

Josh: Yeah, but I think it could potentially be just because I feel like I'm getting sick as well.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I think part of it is it's because this cold and hot bullshit that we're dealing with, mate.

Tommy: Do we open the shop when you're absolutely ratshit? How do we do that?

Josh: Yeah, well, I was thinking last night, I'm like, I'm getting sick.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I'm like, I'm definitely going to still do the show tomorrow.

Tommy: Yeah, I think I haven't had really a sick day off in a very long time. I mean, when you have a business, you can't— you want to take days off, but there's still times you have to do some things. And so it's just a mind shift.

Josh: Yeah, we asked for emails.

Tommy: Oh yeah, we did. We also put up— you put up a post last night of— it's a nice graph of our analytics of the show.

Josh: Well, I like to do it at the end of every month.

Tommy: For one, it helps me to then work out how many posts we've done because I can see where the new month starts each month. So I really like it because then I count how many posts we've put up.

Josh: How many did we do this month?

Tommy: I think it was 42, which was— which was— no, 44, I think. It's quite good. Um, anyway, I've got— I've written it down.

Josh: That's spreadsheets.

Tommy: I did count it, but I need to say the post that you put up yesterday has, um, has actually answered one of our questions. That we posed a little while back, and it was, what are we going with, Gronk Squad or Team Gronk? It was one of the things.

Josh: Gronk Squad or Team Gronk, yes, correct.

Tommy: So that was what we're going for.

Josh: So I said, hey, hey team. Yeah, so I didn't even use evening team is what I said. Yeah, so I was being neutral about it.

Tommy: Yeah, but, but someone who came up with Team Gronk and you coming up with Gronk Squad, I have to— I mean, it's not defeat I have to just accept that it has been spoken for myself. It's not, you have, you know, you put forward a name, Gronk Squad, and it's been chosen. So based on people responding and hashtagging Gronk Squad. So I just, I can't argue with that.

Josh: Yeah. You've got it. And I didn't pay for comments either. That's not me because I was listening to a podcast with, by Kevin Rose. He's got the Kevin Rose Show.

Tommy: That's the guy that you used to be obsessed with through Dig.

Josh: Yeah. He had a show called Digg Nation, which wasn't too dissimilar to this, but they would drink and it was every— it was once a week and they would talk about the top storeys on the social news bookmarking site digg.com. That's digg.com.

Tommy: Didn't they come up with— they didn't— they build that?

Josh: Yes, so Kevin, Kevin did. But anyway, he had a guy named Trey Ratcliffe on who does like HDR Photos, so you know, like the photos. Yeah, so it's like, um, uh, very sort of saturated is sort of his style. Yeah, where you can see all like, you know, the colours of our— like, like say landscape or architecture or whatever. But Trey's got a book out, can you look up the title? '97, Trey Ratcliff. But he's, he's got a book all about, um, social media, and specifically he was building a case for why buying likes, buying followers, buying comments, yeah, is, um, just outright fraud.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it's interesting. I mean, we've both bought them in our years. 2012, I bought 1,000.

Josh: 2011, I bought 30,000, but that was on Twitter.

Tommy: Yeah, which we both, both don't use the accounts that we bought them.

Josh: Yeah, and because the thing is that I guess when you're just looking at it from a metrics point of view, I was doing it as an experiment, but I can't hide behind that because I held on to it for, for longer.

Tommy: Well, we both were doing it for experiment because I bought it with under the thinking that I was going to at least just show— when I did the Suck on That Jules London America trip, I was just going to show people I got a little bit here, a little bit there, which back in the day, numbers, people wouldn't— didn't really question because they didn't know. They were just like, oh my God, 30,000.

Josh: Yeah. I'm sorry about the Apple Watch, by the way. I've been looking, like I've got the issue of looking at it again. So I found my Apple Watch. Yeah, but I did zone out because I just looked up. Yeah, I wasn't zoning out based on what was on my watch. I was zoning out based on it vibrated. I felt compelled that I needed to look at it. That's why I couldn't do it without being rude.

Tommy: That's why vibration is— it's meant to do that. Yeah, you are a slave to that watch.

Josh: Yeah. So it's—

Tommy: but it was so— yeah, so buying followers. So back then I didn't think it was fraud. I wouldn't have even had that thought in my head. I knew it was maybe a bit like a bit naughty, like a bit, you know, you just, you are, you're lying. But it was, it was so low level then, right? It's like, whatever.

Josh: To get a little bit salacious.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: I know of podcasts. Yeah. That are in Australia.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Who are using these things to be able to do stuff where they have a spreadsheet and they fill out comments that they want, uh, put underneath their posts, and then bots will come in and comment the custom.

Tommy: Oh, I see.

Josh: So if we released an episode and we were saying like, hey guys, we're trying to work out between Gronk Squad and Team Gronkh, and we could— I could buy custom comments for 100 people, just be like, hashtag Gronk Squad.

Tommy: Fuck, I wish I knew that. Oh, you could do it.

Josh: It could be fun. It could be fun to do as a troll. That's what Trey was talking about. Do we have the title of his book?

Mason: Yeah, How to Fake Your Way into Getting Rich on Instagram.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: What's the tagline? I liked the tagline.

Mason: Under the Influence.

Josh: The subtitle, like the— yeah, when you have books and they have the title byline.

Mason: Oh yeah, influencer fraud, selfies, anxiety, ego, mass delusional behavior.

Josh: Mass delusional behavior.

Tommy: So we've been since—

Josh: I could read our podcast title.

Tommy: We've been— we've worked— we've with some agencies and they've sent us sort of the brief that they were using with the client and they've had a breakdown of the numbers that they were using for the influencers that were connected to it. And when I'm looking at that level, it's just like, these are just numbers, like they're just on a piece of paper. So you see how you could and how far you could get if you are just doing that.

Josh: Have you heard about Instagram's trial in Canada this week?

Tommy: No, what is it?

Josh: They are trialing, I'm guessing it's with a small—

Tommy: We've got a correspondent, actually no, he's probably left now. 3D Deal, Canada.

Josh: Well, it's Wednesday today, it's Thursday, no, he will be leaving 2 PM very soon. Yeah, um, Bree was asking, have you heard from 3D Deal? I was like, actually no, should we be hearing from— should I reach out? I think we should.

Tommy: Well, I'm just checking the time.

Josh: What should I be saying?

Mason: Uh, just checking in, seeing how you're going, how everything's going.

Tommy: Can you just send him a text now? Yeah, it's, it's like late, it's nearly 12 PM.

Josh: Should I just say, hey man, how's everything everything going.

Tommy: Hey man, you're all set, you ready? Are we picking you up on Friday?

Josh: We're definitely picking him up on Friday.

Tommy: Well, he ever should be here for us to pick him up.

Josh: 3D deal. So just, what do I say? Just, hey mate, hey mate, how's everything going? Yeah, yeah, that's it. How's everything going? Then we sort of, we're keeping it open for him to say, uh, whatever he wants.

Tommy: Okay, so these ratbags are building their podcasts, like, is it, are they actually building them?

Josh: Well, that's the thing, like, I was, so I was impressed at first because I follow the podcast hashtag on Instagram. Yeah. And after hearing this chat with Kevin and Trey, I all of a sudden got suspicious.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Of different accounts. And this was one of them where I'm just like, how are these guys got such— because it used to be you'd look at the followers and then you'd look at the engagement and you would say, those fuckers have no engagement. These are all fake. However, oh, I just gotta, uh, I'll read it off my Apple Watch.

Tommy: Ready, Dale?

Josh: Fuck, he's quick. Everything's great, just packing up the final things and getting ready for tomorrow. Yeah, that's great. And the other thing is, uh, the RODECaster, now that we've got the latest version, that's going to be on a separate track.

Tommy: Oh really?

Josh: The applause.

Tommy: So we just made it a bit harder for me tonight.

Josh: No, no, it's great. So now we can— I just get another notification.

Tommy: Is it Dale?

Josh: Swoosh.

Tommy: Oh mate, can you take that— please take that fucking watch off.

Josh: It is slightly annoying, mate.

Tommy: You should have seen— I think I've mentioned on this, we were putting together a shelving unit, i.e., I was doing the grunt work, but my assistant, or, you know, the, the—

Josh: go on—

Tommy: the trainee, the apprentice who was helping, the amount of times I looked up to try and get the fucking screw handed to me, or the the screwdriver, he's on his watch. He's not even on his phone, he's looking at his watch. It was non-stop. I think tradies, like, I mean, you wouldn't last a day on a trade site, but we did a few hours a couple of months ago. Where did we do that?

Josh: We're filming.

Tommy: You were behind the camera filming some tradies.

Josh: And I still felt out of place then. But no, back to Canada. Instagram.

Tommy: Yeah, so they're doing—

Josh: they're running a trial. Yeah, removing likes and views on videos and photos on Instagram. So the public, so your followers can't see.

Tommy: Can you see? Is it—

Josh: I believe so, yes.

Tommy: Okay, so yeah, I guess I don't mind that. I mean, it's, it's the change the way that you post. Um, would you post less bikini photos now that No, mate, I'll duck this game.

Josh: What about Bodhi?

Tommy: But I don't post thinking this is going to do well.

Josh: You can't say that anyway.

Tommy: What? I don't.

Josh: No, it's not like, it's not a good trait if you're a dad and you're like, 100%, I know that if I post a photo of Bodhi, I'll get more likes.

Tommy: I came across a YouTube, they actually had a podcast in the Discover section Weird name, I can't even remember it, but there were parents, I think, of these kids that have a YouTube channel, and it was all quite big. They were the sort of driving force.

Josh: Great Air Deals texted again.

Tommy: All right, I'll allow you to interrupt.

Josh: Uh, just trying to mentally prep for the 16-hour flight. So how can he mentally prep, by the way? What do you think?

Tommy: Meditation, or just a bit late to get on the meditation. Get on the booze, get on the booze, you'll see yourself through. I drank a lot of alcohol on the way to America.

Josh: It's not a good idea, I don't think.

Tommy: 5 bottles of wine by myself.

Josh: What could he actually do?

Tommy: Go for a run, go to the gym, do a bit of weights, do a bit of lifting. Yeah, just write back, um, Tommy says you should go lift, bros.

Josh: Hey Siri, tell 3D Dill to do some weights, says Tommy. See what happens.

Tommy: Okay, I'll send this. Yeah, do it, send it, send it.

Josh: Right.

Tommy: Um, so yeah, I found these YouTubers that were—

Josh: how cool, how fucking cool is that?

Tommy: It is cool, man. But I've been a fan of Siri for— I mean, you're doing it off your watch, but your phone's right in front of you too, so it's not that cool.

Josh: It's very dangerous. I don't know what the laws are about car stuff. I caught myself fucking looking at my wrist.

Tommy: Get that gone, bro.

Josh: But anyway, what, so I'm now not allowed to have my Apple Watch? What do you mean?

Tommy: It is a forever problem, the thing that's on your arm. One, one, first it's the the G-Shock, you look like a 4-year-old.

Josh: Should I do what you did in that video that you sent me?

Tommy: Which one?

Josh: The Apple Watch.

Tommy: Which one? There's a funny— I'm gonna say there's a funny video of a guy filming an Apple Watch and it just looks like it's on a wrist and then it's just sort of the camera pulls out and it's on a penis and it's quite funny. And I sent it to Josh. It was not mine because I don't—

Josh: How did you?

Tommy: My brother sent it to me. He's like, bro, I got a new watch.

Josh: Do you think that's okay to do now? It's at the limits.

Tommy: To you, I wouldn't send it to— actually, I'd send it to Mr. 97. He's part of the pack.

Josh: Oh, you can't say pack. Pack! It's just the pack.

Tommy: The pack. You've never been in a pack, so you don't feel it. You're always on the outers.

Josh: You were talking about it yesterday. About being a pack mentality?

Tommy: No, I was saying boys. I was saying like a group of, like a group of the boys.

Josh: And we're not that.

Tommy: We're a bunch of boys that are inviting to all genders, if that's what you're saying.

Josh: But we probably shouldn't lead with any cock pics.

Tommy: I'm not the one who brought it up. It was just a—

Josh: oh no, I didn't bring it up, you sent it.

Tommy: But you then brought it up on the show. Yeah, that was a little, that was a cute little, um—

Josh: I know, but probably if we had it, like, you wouldn't put it on Slack. You sent it to me personally, but it's like, you're not going to have like a Slack channel called Filthy Shit.

Tommy: No, no way. But I don't, I don't have that with my mates. Like, I know there's some WhatsApp groups and shit that are flying around, but I, I've never been like that. I thought you just appreciate it. Yeah, it was very funny because you're a cop and you've got an Apple Watch.

Josh: You said, I got this Apple Watch, which I knew was sketchy. I knew this fucking guy just buying an Apple Watch, and then I played it through. But I made the mistake yesterday. A friend sent a photo of their new baby just being born, all bloodied and stuff like that. Yeah. And Breeze showed it to me and I said, oh, it's got a live—

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: Live photo. It's a live photo, which means that if Mr. 97 doesn't know what a live photo is because he's never owned an iPhone, but a live photo is like a video. Yeah. That sits within the photo.

Tommy: I'm just trying to find, because I did this exact same thing. I took a photo of Bodhi and Amy together and I sent it around. This was the day. So you're delirious, you've been up for more than 24 hours and, and you're taking a photo because you're so fucking wrapped that you've just had a child and you forget about the live function. And so I sent one out in a group, but in the end of it you can hear this nurse. And so I sent it to my mum, and at the end of it you just hear her saying 'Oh, she's losing a lot of blood. I want to try and find it.' But like, it was— it kind of— it's scary. Like, imagine receiving that, pressing the live.

Josh: Your mum knew how to turn it live. She doesn't know what a clusterfuck is, but she knows how to use it.

Tommy: Mate, she's tech savvy, you should see.

Josh: Um, you know, I trolled back.

Tommy: I know.

Josh: Is there anything more painful than watching someone try and find—

Tommy: I'm not asking you to watch me.

Mason: So do those live videos have, uh, live photos have audio?

Tommy: Yes.

Mason: Oh great.

Josh: And you can also, if you upload them to Google Photos, it picks them up as video and stuff. So you've got all these little videos. So I remember, I took a photo actually of a guy dumping rubbish in my, at my old place, took all these photos and it turned into live videos and it had where the guy worked, he was in a company car. And so I sent it on Instagram out to the world of him actually throwing things out of the car window.

Tommy: I'll show you later. All right, here we go. She's still losing quite a bit there. She's still losing quite a bit there.

Josh: It was less hyperbolic.

Tommy: I mean, that's what I thought it was. There you go, here's another one. Hang on. The funniest one was when we were doing the, um, the workout competition with Jules Lund where I came severely last.

Josh: Well, you were so confident that you were going to win and you're already working out how to spin. You're trying to work out how to spend your $500.

Tommy: Why? It's $500.

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: There's not many ways you can spend it. Like, I've got life expenses just on shit. It's not like—

Josh: so you hadn't thought about it?

Tommy: If I can't— I can't go and drop— if I get $500 these days, I have my wife and my son to think about before I just go.

Josh: So you buy them Apple Watches?

Tommy: Buying Apple Watches is off the table for me at the moment, guys.

Josh: But I sent an Android guy—

Tommy: I sent a photo. I sent a photo of my rig to Jules Lund because we were all kind of sending them around to each other.

Josh: It's the boys, just the pack. Woof woof. Here's a dick pic.

Tommy: Here's a meme. The funny thing was I'm in the mirror and I'm looking great, but when you press the fucking— the live, you just hear me go—

Josh: That's so embarrassing.

Tommy: Anyway, this person on— this person who started this podcast that has these kids that have a YouTube channel. I went on to see the YouTube channel and I was just thinking like full extortion, not extortion but fuel, just not extortion, what is it?

Josh: Unless the kids have—

Tommy: what's the word Mr. 97?

Josh: Wait, if you stop doing the wrong word I'll come up with the right word. Exploitation.

Tommy: Exploitation of these kids, like just mindless vlogs of them just like at, you know, at sport or doing this, you know, just nothing, but they've got this huge following And I was thinking about Bodhi, and I think you just—

Josh: when they start to become little humans, like legit talking, he's at that stage now.

Tommy: Yeah, he knows. He— we think he said Mason yesterday.

Mason: Oh really?

Tommy: Mr. 97, he said, Daddy on the phone, Mason. And I don't know if he was here because they pick up, pick up things just when— like, probably he was here when we were doing the renovation.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I was probably yelling, Mason, Mason! And he— and they just pick up and remember stuff, so he's a real little dude now. And so do you reckon I just think twice about exploiting him? You know, it's—

Josh: have you thought about— I haven't had— and it's unfortunate the algorithm sort of does it. Yeah. But have you ever thought about— I'm going to— do you ever look at your feed? Because before the Daily Talk Show, yeah, you only had you and Amy. You didn't even have friends. I couldn't— you could scroll back very far Is it because like you just don't know which bridge you're going to burn?

Tommy: Is that like— What do you mean?

Josh: Well, you just, you don't want to commit to any friends' photos.

Tommy: I'm not one of those kids who burns bridges with friends. I'm all good over here. But no, it is a good observation though, because I don't really—

Josh: But yes, it is a good observation.

Tommy: No, but it's a good observation in terms of I don't have a great deal of photos of just like, I've never been one to just group of mates, let's quickly take a photo. Like I remember one, but I even thought about it. I was at the footy with my brother and Conspiracy Jimmy and my other brother. And we posted a photo. But I, I remember going out of my way to get that, and I don't like the feeling of it. I don't like—

Josh: because you don't know.

Tommy: I have to think too much about doing it. It's not natural for me, like, just taking photos of things or my Amy or me. Like, I'm capturing these moments for later, not to sh— like, the photos of me and my mates, I don't know if I'm going back, think, looking at that going, great pack shot, just 4 guys in a row, like thumbs up, you know, like it's not my vibe. Like, I don't see that as this, um, beautiful memory that I want to look back on. So, but taking a photo of Amy or Bodhi, you know, Amy just somewhere nice, or us, I like that.

Josh: Like, not to go too sort of deep, what does it say?

Tommy: What could it say?

Josh: I don't know, just maybe that you're a little bit detached from your friendship groups.

Tommy: No, I've been thinking recently We've been doing this show for over a year.

Josh: You've posted a lot of me.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, and I need to sort of get that quota down by bringing up other stuff, my friends. No, but I was thinking, who else do you see?

Josh: This is the thing, dude, we saw Fitzy, but that was just because he's fucking— he was just out, like, finished his job.

Tommy: He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was thinking about friends and putting in an active effort with friends. Like Mr. 97, you finished school a year and a half ago.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, you said to me that you defriended a whole bunch of people.

Mason: Yeah, pretty much.

Tommy: Why did you do that?

Mason: Um, I don't know, I just, I don't know, I felt like, I felt like it was easy to, it was an easy way to sort of like declutter and move on.

Tommy: You owed the money for lunch. But, but I was thinking about that.

Josh: So you have how many What a fucking millennial way of looking at friendship.

Mason: Just, you know, there's a—

Josh: Does John spark me joy? Fuck off, John. I hope you, you, uh, kissed him goodbye and then sort of threw him in the bin.

Mason: No, you just, well, you're just scrolling through and you're seeing a lot of shit, and I, I just wanted to cut it down to the people that I actually wanted to spend time with and who I wanted to actually be around.

Tommy: So what's your, what's your group like? What's the close, close group? How many mates are involved in this?

Josh: Andre and Jay.

Tommy: Yeah, is that it?

Mason: Two mates are my closest, and then, and then they're sort of like extended, which is probably like 7. One's including Jason, Andre.

Tommy: Yeah, you don't contact the others directly. They're either a part of—

Mason: we have a group chat with them.

Tommy: Okay, are you sending the iWatch?

Josh: Say when you're calling it an iWatch, you're a fucking idiot, mate.

Tommy: I'm not the one who's got one on my arm. You're a fucking idiot. If you gave it to me, I'd take it.

Josh: I know you would.

Tommy: But so you— so The— so what I've been thinking is, got pre-prod, 10 minutes, bunch of— I've got so many acquaintances and I've spent periods of my life hanging, hanging out with them. Yeah, like quite close, and then you kind of drift off. You're not, not friends, there's no bridge burnt, it's just that we're doing different shit. And then I've come into— like, think about us, you, the three of us hang out with each other more than all of our mates, and 3D Deal is just about to become our third, our third best mate, right? Each, you know, each. Well, who gets— I've got the, you know, Josh Mason Deal. Yeah, you've got Tommy Mason Deal.

Josh: I get it.

Tommy: So my point is, I've been thinking about actively putting in more effort with friends outside of what this is, friends outside. So this is— and then in my head I go, is this an announcement? No, it's just something I've been thinking about. But then I, in the same thought, I think outside of this work and this, this, you know, friendship that we all have, the time that I do have spare, I want to spend with my son and my wife. And so as you grow older, you just see how people just become so distant from each other if you're not actively putting in the effort to message or even just follow up.

Josh: Well, I think there's also the thing on aligned routines. So for instance, The more I try and pack in, say for instance, if I want to go for a walk in the morning with someone, that means that I won't— like, Bree goes to the gym at 6, she'll get back at 7. So if I go for a walk, if I leave at 7 or whatever, I don't see Bree until the evening. And so it's all those things too, right? Which is like, it starts to— do you feel the pressure to align routine? So it's like, we finish work at the same time, we're going to work.

Tommy: Yeah, definitely.

Josh: I guess you got one car and like you drive and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, and then the kid, we have to get him the one car, adds to that. But I think, yeah, so you want to build out a nice routine that actually makes you feel good or that you like and can work for you. This is why having a job that you absolutely hate is so annoying, really annoying, because it's the majority of your time and the— and you're hanging out with the people, they're the people that you hang out with most in your life. Yeah, pretty much.

Josh: Uh, how do you feel about a book?

Tommy: Club? Um, for one, you need to read more.

Josh: You've— beg your pardon?

Tommy: When was the last time you read?

Josh: Last night.

Tommy: What'd you read?

Josh: Um, Austin Kleon. I'm just finishing that. Okay, okay.

Tommy: Um, I want you— I've got no real interest in a book club personally. Is that fine? I mean, that's fine.

Josh: Why? Well, it's gonna be very hard for me to do a book club within the business if sort of—

Mason: oh, us three book club?

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Oh, okay.

Tommy: Doing a book club between us all, is that what you're saying?

Mason: Yeah, I thought you were talking about the Daily Talk Show book Oh, okay, we could open it up too. I was—

Josh: okay, well, yeah, if we— I like that, actually. I like that idea.

Tommy: No, the thing is, it'd be like me saying—

Josh: I actually just wrote down book club and I hadn't really— but that is perfect.

Tommy: Could I be like— such a big commitment. Like, I know, I think it's such a personal—

Josh: open the shop—

Tommy: personal challenge to stay consistent in anything, right? And for me, I've got my things that I'm consistent at the moment, doing a podcast podcast, which is a collective thing, meditation, which is a personal thing.

Josh: So it's like, it's exactly the same. All I'm saying is now, hey, listen to the podcast. Yeah, but then now read this every day.

Tommy: Then it requires us as individuals to learn how to read in our, yeah, personal time. Go to Kumon and understand how to read. I had to go to reading classes as a kid.

Josh: Yeah, I did too.

Tommy: It was a painful area.

Josh: I tried to, um, I've watched a YouTube video on reading faster. It was actually, um, Tim Ferriss. No, Max Joseph, who's part of Catfish. Oh yeah, yeah, he's done a film on reading and all that sort of thing. And they had— he had a reading champion, yeah, speed reader. And so I decided to try and do that the night that happened. And I'll tell you what happened. So Bree is just enjoying her book nice and sort of, uh, quietly. Yes. And I'm just doing this.

Tommy: Oh, you're moving your finger across the page.

Josh: It's very aggressive moving the finger. And Bray's like, are you, are you enjoying that? Is that like an enjoyable experience?

Tommy: I think the, the people who wear those back braces off Instagram, the same, who want it faster, want it now, want it done, want it all, want it all over, they'll take a pill. I think it's of that same area. Like, I got into it Tim Ferriss must have been spruiking it because I was on sites, I was loading in text to see it go across, and they had this like middle section where you just keep your eyes on the middle section.

Mason: You meant the reading with peripheral vision?

Tommy: Yeah, so you keep your eye running down one line of the page vertically, and you kind of look to—

Josh: I mean, if it becomes natural, but that's the idea, it's unnatural to start with, but then it becomes—

Tommy: I guess we've got audiobooks which you can do.

Josh: But isn't that the ultimate pill? Oh, are you fucking kidding me? You're saying— I'm not the one who does it. Speed reading.

Tommy: I'm not the one who's trying speed reading.

Josh: No, but I'm saying that you're saying that speed reading is like taking a pill, and your suggestion is put audiobooks at 2 times the speed.

Tommy: That's not even reading. No, but that's what I'm saying. It's not for me, but I'm saying for the guy that wants to—

Josh: I'm saying, hey, I want to do a quick workout every, every morning.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And you're saying, hey, I could just take this pill and not have to do the work.

Tommy: I'm not telling people to do that. I'm saying—

Josh: Pill taker than I am.

Tommy: I'm not the one No one's trying to do this.

Josh: You're snow seven, don't you think?

Tommy: He's lost you, mate. I think we've both lost you. Yeah, you're trying to say that I came up with this fucking whole thing.

Josh: No, but you just said, I just don't want to spend every episode bickering.

Tommy: No, but I didn't start that. I was just—

Josh: You were saying that me speed reading is like taking a pill, and your suggestion was listen to an audiobook at 2 times because you're annoying your wife.

Tommy: That's what you do.

Josh: But the thing is, but then I still have to play, I still have to, um, So anyway, back to your book club.

Tommy: The only problem is then you have to— we all have to be reading, otherwise the book club falls on 3D.

Josh: Jill said, oh, oh, oh, oh, good call.

Tommy: He knows what's up. He's my lifting.

Josh: Anyway, so let's fuck off the book club.

Tommy: No, no, no, I want— like, I don't want you to get— I just won't read.

Josh: It's annoying because I got a lot of books.

Tommy: I think if you read and you had your own book club and you could tell us a bit about a book. You could do something like that.

Mason: How much of a club is it?

Tommy: Yeah, what happens in a book club anyway? I mean, this is— isn't that—

Mason: I think you read in a circle and share.

Tommy: Do you? Is this a séance? What is this? You actually— is that how you do it?

Josh: We're doing it digitally. Peter Sheppard and I have been speaking about a walking book club for a while.

Tommy: And so what does that mean? What, like, you're walking? I know is the action, but where's the book? You're not there to—

Josh: Well, it's more the idea with Pete and I was just that we would read a book and then we would walk and we would talk about the book.

Tommy: So you've got to read it in your own time?

Josh: Correct.

Tommy: So you both have to be up to the same section?

Josh: So you'd like 8, 2, 3 chapters. To be honest, I've never been in a book club.

Tommy: Didn't you say you had a book club or you're wanting to start it?

Josh: I want to start a book club, but I wanted to— I entered into a book club at a previous employer And I've told you this.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: And they asked if I wouldn't go because it was all women. Well, yes, they were doing Lean In by Sheryl Sandberg.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I said, um, they said, hey, on Slack or whatever, sign up for the book club. The first book is Sheryl Sandberg, uh, Lean In. And so I put my name down and my— the organiser came up to me and said, hey, Josh, it's only because we're close, I'm going to ask you this, but can you not come to the book club?

Tommy: Rejection. You've had rejection. I see why it's a touchy subject.

Josh: No wonder I can't fucking read. It's actually combining two things I struggle with.

Tommy: Is there?

Josh: So reading and friendship. It's maybe I just solo reading to start with.

Tommy: I think, you know, like I see these people on Facebook or, you know, YouTube talking about how they've read so many books. The fact is that I hope they've done the reading of the book and they haven't actually listened to an audiobook, but where they then talk about it. So they do their own thing, right? So you become the guide Josh that has actually read 100 books in this year.

Josh: Well, that's the whole thing that Max Joseph is talking about in this short film. What's just like all you need to do to go from someone who reads 1 book a year to reading like 10 books a year is spending 30 minutes a day reading. Scooter Derek's calling me, so we gotta go. We've got it. We got a couple of emails. Thanks to Jake who lives on Smith Street.

Tommy: Oh yeah, shout out to him.

Josh: He's going through our back catalog. I apologise for anything that we've said that doesn't sort of represent us as people in 2019.

Tommy: Which, fast forward to episode 1,000, we'll be saying the same thing about 337.

Josh: We'll be talking about the—

Tommy: yeah, hopefully you've read 100 books by then. Episode 1,000, 100 books. One book every 100 episodes. No, that's 10. Let's finish this up.

Josh: Also, Wayne, uh, Wayne, who lives— oh, sorry, works close by in Abbotsford. Yeah, he was saying that 3 Day Duel, you don't have anything to worry about. I was thinking about it last night. Yeah, you went, you went pretty alcoholic about it. And so it sounds like it's an unsafe place to work. It's fine.

Tommy: It's the beauty of it that it's, that it's not actually that unsafe. Like, it's not unsafe. I've felt more unsafe overseas in parts of New York than, than this. There's much more unsafe areas in Melbourne than here. There is.

Josh: So I think we should sell Melbourne as an entire city though. Anyway, the, the point is that, uh, Wayne was saying he has seen, yeah, people shooting up and dealing drugs within 30 metres of the cops, and this is a bit of a blind eye going on. Do you think we could do it in schools and stuff? Could we do like an exposé or not? Can you not be fucked?

Tommy: No, I, I searched last night, like, if you just type in, um, Abbotsford heroin and it comes up with like articles, plenty of articles written.

Josh: But can we do a Solid video.

Tommy: Yeah, about how they should clean up, like clean it up.

Josh: Surely at least the back of our building—

Tommy: It's so much more complex though, you know, like it's, it's not— it seems so simple.

Josh: Surely the, the thing that Wayne was talking about was the used needles. Surely we can just— okay, so if we started off, it's like you can keep doing the drugs, but you just need to be clean about it. That's why they've done the safe injecting room, because clearly they're not all using it.

Tommy: Yeah, I know, which it seems weird.

Josh: It's like, but it's probably sort of— yeah, that's what I was going to say. I thought you're saying it was weird to not go, but it's weird to go.

Tommy: Like, I could imagine it's sort of like if you wanted to do drugs.

Josh: Yeah, it would seem like an uncool place to do drugs. Like, it's very medical at that point. I don't think anyone's doing this.

Tommy: Yeah, but then, yeah, I guess a severe addict is actually just needing it to survive as a medical thing. Yeah, yeah. Okay, it's, it's hard, it's complex, but I think we could do something that just shows. We got to use a long lens because the dealers are very onto you, onto it. No one wants to be seen to be doing it, you know. So we got to get across the road, let's get that, you know.

Josh: I don't know if I can be fucked. Uh, anyway, it's a daily—

Tommy: same with the book club.

Josh: Hi@TheDailyTalkShow is our email. If you're listening on Apple/iTunes podcast, please leave us a rating or review. And the thing is that I'll just say it now. Yeah, I have put through an order. Oh yeah, there is something that's going on, something to do with the hats. The hats are coming. Okay, Nick, all of you guys, you're getting your fucking hats. All right, getting your hats. I sound like Ash Williams there. You're getting your fucking money. She's getting her money. I've never killed anyone. I've always said that. But we have something big coming in regards to merchandise.. And what we decided is rather than giving them away willy-nilly, one of the things will be that you've left a review on the Apple Podcasts/iTunes app. And if you do it now, it will be in your favour for the future.

Tommy: Which it's— we almost have to have like a little trust system. So if you actually go and do it tonight when you're listening, you send us an email.

Josh: They don't have to send us an email because it's going to stay there.

Tommy: Yeah, but what I'm saying is if you want, if you want the piece of merch, you need to email us to get something.

Josh: But that's when we get the, when we get the thing. I wouldn't even say it's merch. When we get the thing that we're giving away, we will then use the iTunes slash Apple Podcast system and say, have you left a review? And that will be one of the things. However, the doors, like an Ash Williams stunt, would already have been closed. So you need to leave the review now. Yeah. Does that make sense, 97?

Mason: Yep.

Tommy: All right, I'm glad he looked apprehensive.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show, everyone. We'll see you tomorrow. See you guys. Goodbye.