Thrown Under The Bus

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 336.

Tommy: What's going on, guys? Last day of the month. How are we?

Josh: Yeah, very well. It's, uh, after, um, 3— no, 2 PM.

Tommy: Yeah, this episode is brought to you by Nescafé Blend 43. I brought some coffee from home. So we're just in the new— we're in the brand new studio and supplies are low. Clearly non-existent.

Josh: Clearly. Well, we had Craig Bruce on yesterday.

Tommy: Did you stuff his name up then? Did it sound like that?

Josh: A little bit. What do you mean? We were projecting or what?

Tommy: Have I— I butchered his name, called him Craig Bruce.

Josh: Craig, you didn't say Craig last time.

Tommy: But you actually said it today when we were just chatting. Okay, you stuffed his name. It's an easy one to do, Craig Bruce.

Josh: But anyway, we had to— we didn't even have cups. Yeah, for water. So we had to go and buy water bottles.

Tommy: Yeah, we traded a— I was just going to say we killed 7 dolphins in the making.

Josh: Well, just because of the supply. Yeah, because of the bottle.

Tommy: It is one thing like we— what's amazing about this place is this new studio we're in, 3 levels, don't forget it. In the garage though, there's 3 bins I said to you boys today that that is half of the bins that I have for my 7 apartment apartment block. So we have like this extreme amount of bin.

Josh: We shouldn't use it though.

Tommy: No, we definitely shouldn't use it. But what it means is there's no excuse. Like in our situation, in our apartment block, gronks are leaving shit by the side of the bin because they're overflowing. Like the, um, when you're recycling stuff, like there is legit lazy gronks that put stuff because there's no more room in the recycling bin, so they just chuck it into the bin, the rubbish bin, which is annoying. So we have the option to be really aware here, and it's something that I think— I don't think a lot of people in business— I mean, at Envato where you worked, that's a big business, they always come up with some scheme. Southern Cross Austereo where I worked, there was some sort of like, you know, area where they encouraged people to do it.

Josh: But the thing with Southern Cross Austereo, we talked about them a lot yesterday because that was Craig Bruce's old employer.

Tommy: Well, he was the captain of that ship.

Josh: But they actually, they got in a bit of trouble.

Tommy: Did they?

Josh: Because that they, or just internally, because it turns out that they were getting everyone to separate everything and then would all just put it in the same bin at the end of the day.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Because the lease wasn't set like they hadn't set it up.

Tommy: Oh, okay. So on a visual level, they were doing, they were killing it.

Josh: Everyone's separating everything and then just at the end of the day, the cleaners puts it all in one bin.

Tommy: Mate, that's on the cleaner though.

Josh: What are we doing with soft plastics, 97?

Tommy: What is soft plastics as opposed to what, Josh? Like you say it like there's, you know, something that I don't know.

Josh: Yeah, 97 says there's different sorts of plastics.

Tommy: Well, plastic's plastic. If it's recyclable—

Josh: No, it's not.

Tommy: It can go into the own— We've only got one recycle bin here.

Josh: 97.

Mason: Okay, no, so there's something called soft plastic. So if you can scrunch it up into a ball, like a wrapping for bread or biscuits.

Tommy: Sorry, Josh, you're the guy that doesn't recycle it out of the three of us.

Josh: That's slander. I do. I literally did today. I actually— the ASICS bag from where I bought my shoes, that is our bag at home for recycling. Yeah.

Tommy: And, um, we have had to educate you though in the office about recycling.

Josh: As a guy who has a lot of pizza boxes, I should definitely be—

Tommy: they're now recyclable, aren't they? They used to not be.

Josh: Yeah, definitely. I put in—

Mason: I recycle them.

Tommy: Yeah.

Mason: Anyway, so you can scrunch a piece of soft plastic, any Any plastic bag, if you can scrunch it into a ball, it's a soft plastic, and that can be recycled at Coles or Woolies. Or in some councils, you can actually just wrap it in a plastic, a normal plastic bag, and put it in your recycling bin.

Tommy: Oh, wow.

Josh: What about, um, you know, the popping— what's that like?

Tommy: Oh yeah, the, um, the bubble wrap.

Mason: Bubble wrap. Yeah, you can do that. Okay, that goes in there as well. So yeah, we've, we've got a Woolies around the corner, so we can just drop it into there. They're, um, it's called Redcycle. It's a Redcycle recycling bin.

Josh: Yeah, I'm glad I asked. Um, the— I said that I wanted to get a coffee because you said, I'm just going to get some milk. Yeah, I said, oh well, I'll— I'm just going to go out and actually get a coffee. And you said, oh no, I'll make you a coffee.

Tommy: Yeah, I'll make you one, mate. Don't say I don't do anything for you.

Josh: Why? Why is there no froth on top?

Tommy: Because it's a Nescafé. It's a water coffee, so it's the instant coffee. And it's what you have at this time of day.

Josh: So is that like, is a Nescafé coffee just, is it like what I would get at the cafe just without the foam?

Tommy: Oh, no chance. So this is just, I don't think it's like a—

Josh: Get ready for a spit take, everyone. I'm about to have my first one.

Tommy: Do not do that. It's just standard, like instant coffee, one scoop, water, hot water, and then a little bit of milk. The problem, this is my, like when I drink this in the morning, I just have flashbacks of Shepparton. 2 years of just drinking this black magic, you know, just every morning I'd just be—

Josh: What's black magic?

Tommy: Oh, because it's just black water when you put the water in with the coffee. Just look, it's just this mud. Actually, no, this is more mud now with a bit of water, but before— this is Goulburn River. Yeah, this is the look of that river, or Yarra. This is Yarra River swamp water.

Josh: Well, we haven't had a chance because we had Craig on yesterday to do admin for the new office.

Tommy: Yeah, just quickly, how was the Blend 43?

Josh: What's 43 versus 45?

Tommy: I don't know, Blend 45, she could be one of them.

Josh: But what's 43? What's the extra 2? Is this the—

Tommy: is there Blend 45? I don't know, I don't know, 43, maybe. Sound of 43 is better. Um, anyway, so admin, admin, we're in, mate.

Josh: Um, yeah, congrats. Cheers.

Tommy: Yeah, cheers to Blend 40-something.

Josh: Um, I think it is Blend 43.

Mason: Is it? There's, there's 43, 45, and Yeah, not 42. I don't know, 43 and 45.

Tommy: Yeah, right. Cheers to that.

Josh: Cheers. Cheers again. What does it actually— what does it mean? 97?

Tommy: I think it'd be a different roast. Like, it's all about— you can get like this dark roast or a lighter roast.

Josh: Sure, mate.

Tommy: So I wonder if there's like a real connoisseur of this shit. Like, they just—

Josh: big in Pakistan.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Yeah. And also there's a huge push at the moment, uh, there's They're doing a whole campaign. Nescafé are doing a whole campaign at the moment. Have you seen this, 97? You don't watch TV either, so maybe I'm the only one. But they're doing this whole thing around like the neighbourhood economy where it's like you do shit for your neighbours.

Tommy: What do you do?

Josh: So it's all like, oh yeah, mow your lawn and all that sort of thing. And at the end they're all like sipping Blend 43. Yeah, it's super suburb life.

Tommy: I absolutely like it. I do like it. There's something, it's the closest thing for me that I experience of nostalgia.

Josh: Like really early days.

Tommy: This is what mum and dad used to do.

Josh: To have.

Tommy: It's a good cheap, you know, just get it done, get the coffee in you. That's wake up in the morning and, you know, we've just taken it to the nth degree. It's just hipster AeroPress, fucking 7 hours to get your first cup of coffee for the day.

Josh: This feels like it's a push to get a Moccamaster. I feel like you're like, if I give Josh—

Tommy: you know what, I could actually drink more of these than the Moccamaster. Moccamaster, you'd be— it's like you've done a line of speed every time.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's why I haven't been having it the last 2 days. I appreciate that because I like, I've come into— yeah, because you know what, because it would— I would drink a litre and then I'll have our WIP meeting and you'll be like, you know what, I'm feeling anxious, I don't know why.

Tommy: I think there's been a few things that you've aired, and it's what I love about you. It's actually— I've thought lately about if someone asked what's one of Josh's great traits, I had to really think about it. No, no, no, it's that you were in touch with your flaws. And I think you've led with it in your life where you've— it's something you've said, something you've encouraged me to do, you know, like, and there's a blurry line between what's gear and what's actually you being really fucked up.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so you blend them together.

Josh: Yeah, Blend 42. I am the Blend 42. Um, but I have flaws that sometimes don't need to be aired.

Tommy: Oh no, of course. And that's where I like— I think the leader of coffee, you can be driven by the anxiety of something that's like happens, but it actually hasn't happened.

Josh: Well, it's more what I was actually bringing up was I want to throw Mr. 97 under the bus.

Tommy: Oh, did you? Oh, I'm happy with that. Let's do that.

Josh: Why do you think that I would be throwing you under the bus, 97? Can you think of anything that would be the reason I would want to throw you under the bus?

Mason: Yeah, maybe a few car rides home. Yeah, so is that it?

Josh: This fuckhead, I drive home.

Tommy: Didn't chuck in petrol money?

Josh: No, I'm driving home. I said to Bree, I said to Bree, I don't know if you were driving, Bree was driving, I'm in the passenger seat. I said, I haven't eaten anything, I'm starving. Yeah. And Bree's like, I will organise something. And then this fucking kid in the back says, you ain't Nutri-Grain.

Tommy: Why do you need to say that?

Josh: That's what I mean. Like what? He was throwing me under the bus. So you, Bree was like, so you did eat something. The thing was that I just had a handful, like you saw how many Nutri-Grain. And the thing was what pissed me off about it, the reason I ate the Nutri-Grain was because we had no forks in the office. Yeah, Mr. 97 had lunch, and so I had brought the Nutri-Grain up to offer Mr. 97, and I started eating it. Yeah, to be like, hey man, it's cool to eat the Nutri-Grain out of the packet.

Tommy: Well, I tell you what, that was from last Fat Friday. We've just got cereal lying around that we don't actually consume.

Josh: I don't even like Nutri-Grain, but Mr.

Tommy: 97, he's, he's absolutely— I mean, we offer him so many things. Coffee, hot chocolate, do you want some food? No, no. But he's been smashing that Nutri-Grain. He's blown his diet. It's the best thing. If we just want to get him, we know how to get him.

Josh: Well, the one There's one area that I think that we've all got a problem in.

Tommy: What's that?

Josh: In consumption. Can you guess what it is? Water? No.

Tommy: No?

Josh: We don't have it, like we're not drinking enough water.

Tommy: Yeah, no, we need that. What do you mean?

Josh: Like mints and chewies. Oh yeah.

Tommy: The problem with mints and chewies, if you've got copious amounts of them, you just eat lots of them, you know, because they're calorie-free.

Josh: Unlimited chewies. And so my mate works at Mars. Mars owns Wrigley's. Wrigley's are like extra chewing gum and Eclipse. And so we have big boxes of the stuff in the office, and I've held some back at home because we get piggy on the chewies.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm glad I gave you pushback on that because I came over to your house and it smelled like mint paradise. Open the cupboard door, there was more mints and chewies than there was food, actual food.

Josh: Yeah, we had to actually put them in a container because it was Smelling out, like if you go into my mate Chris's car, yeah, it just smells like it actually takes your breath away because he's got in his boot just heaps of the stuff because they get it for free, you know, like, oh, so I don't know, we should, we, I wonder if I know Mars isn't Coca-Cola, fucking idiot, sorry about that.

Tommy: So I need, I've got a Coca-Cola storey of someone that probably has a similar job to what Chris does.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: And I say that because I'll of what happened. So I'm sitting in—

Josh: great taste—

Tommy: I was sitting in it. No, I was— so Josh's mate works for them, has shit in his car, sales.

Josh: So, dang, 10 to 6, where does your mate work?

Tommy: Craig Harper and I were sitting in a cafe having a coffee, and I was like, he likes a DC, he likes a Diet Coke every now and then.

Josh: Does he?

Tommy: Loves Diet Coke every now and then. You know, it's like a little naughty treat for a lot of people.

Josh: Do you know what, I believe Coke Zero came out Yeah, because Diet Coke was, uh, positioned too much as a, as a female, a feminine drink.

Tommy: He might like Coke Zero.

Josh: Like, no, that's no problem. I like that this, you know, Craig Harper, one of the manliest men going around, fucking just smashing down a Diet Coke.

Tommy: And maybe it's the Coke Zero then. I don't really know the difference. There was a time where we could only order Diet Coke because it's like Coke Zero wasn't there. So let's just say he likes to cut Diet Coke. Might be Diet Coke Zero.

Josh: Anyway, just very quickly, Coke Zero. Yeah, it's Coke, no sugar. Do you still, if you order one, do you, I always say Coke Zero.

Tommy: Yeah, me too.

Josh: Just because I can't be fucked dealing with the sugar. Yeah. Sorry about that, go on.

Tommy: So Mason, don't move like you just did because you just moved the camera. You just wonked the camera.

Josh: Oh, sure. This is one thing with the new office. We've got multiple stories. Yeah. Unfortunately, it's built with cubby house material.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, it's done the job, but right now there's about 70 screens coming off the one camera that we've got. Anyway, so I'm sitting in this cafe with Craig Harper and I'm saying, mate, have you had Coke? Have you had Coke no sugar? Because Coke Zero is slightly different. Yeah, there's slight different taste.

Josh: Absolutely.

Tommy: And this was when it just first came out. I said, mate, have you had Coke no sugar? I was like, He's like, nah. I said, mate, it tastes like Naughty Coke.

Josh: Like Fat Coke.

Tommy: It tastes like Fat Boy Coke.

Josh: If mum and daddy go on fish and chips, Richie, can you get some Fat Coke on the way home too?

Tommy: I saw— do you judge people when they're drinking Fat Coke?

Josh: If it's a 1.25-liter bottle, yeah, and they're drinking it from the bottle, yes.

Tommy: We had the builder that was helping with this wall, he went off, he went off twice to get some food, he came back with Fat Coke.

Josh: I just always imagine the insides of someone. But there's some brilliant minds that drink fat Coke.

Tommy: Trevor Long, my next-door neighbor, was telling me that he used to go to bed as a kid with a bottle of Coke. This is like in England back, you know, he's probably 35, so similar, you know, a growing up childhood. Yeah, he's like, no one fucking— no one cared, no one thought about it. He's like, he'd brush his teeth and then take a bottle of Coke and be sipping it in his room. And I said, are your teeth fucked? He said, they're all good.

Josh: It was sort of like cleaned all the plaque off. Just on that, um, when you are drinking soft drinks, yeah, you are better from a dental point of view to drink the drink quicker rather than sipping. When you sip, you're basically having more impact on your teeth. Really? So they suggest that if you are going to— if you care about your teeth, beer bong it. Yeah, either fucking slam it down fast like a Solo. Yeah. Or use a straw.

Tommy: Yeah, wow. Anyway, so in, in this cafe, said to Craig, have you tried it? He said no. I said, it tastes like Fat Coke, you gotta try it. And he's like, oh yeah, I, I guess I will. Which was about it, right? Yeah, this is about it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: All of a sudden, I just looked to my right, in comes this woman. She said, didn't mean to, um, be listening to you guys, but I work for Coke and here's a Coke No Sugar. And she just hands me this Coke No Sugar, brand new. Like, they weren't in all the stores at that moment. They were like, had just released. I think, I mean, you tried one. Yeah. And you know, when something first comes out, you're like, I'm gonna get it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you're going around different shops.

Josh: Like Cherry Coke. If you were someone who had Cherry Coke before everyone else. Yeah. Fucking just strutting along Fountain Gate with a Cherry Coke. Yeah. Lose their mind.

Tommy: So I got this just, it was out of the blue.

Mason: It's the equivalent.

Josh: It is the, uh, It's me growing up, it would be the equivalent today of someone being like, I heard you talking about whether the new iPhone's coming out, here's an iPhone.

Tommy: I mean, how good would that be? I mean, it was just a little win for the day, and I thought, and so that's cool, but there's definitely cut through.

Josh: Did she have Coca-Cola sort of— was she wearing a— I imagine she was wearing a polo and had like the Coca-Cola.

Tommy: She was in exercise gear.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: It was early morning on a Saturday, and she just come in and she should go to her car. She overheard us, walked out to her car, grabbed them out of the boot. So it'd be like if Chris had some new chewy and he overheard a few people say it's such great—

Josh: I would love to do that. Yeah, if like if I had something to be the giver to— yeah, to 100% be the giver. I'll just be listening all the time. Like even when we go to, um, there's a few stockists of, um, Hey Tiger Yeah, and Bri and I always sort of, we go in there. Yeah, and we'll, um, we sort of are looking at the Hey Tiger stuff and almost waiting for something to happen.

Tommy: It's so serendipitous when it does happen, and you just, as the person receiving it, is just connecting all these dots. You're like, wow, wow, and it leaves a good taste in your mouth. Plus the Coke tastes good.

Josh: That's an integration.

Tommy: That was an integration. It sounded a bit like, nah, no pay, no say, we just like it. Anyway, this is, um, This is phase 1 of our studio. So if you're watching this on YouTube, which I suggest you do.

Josh: Yeah, it looks very similar to our previous one.

Tommy: Yeah, which is good because we're going to do the sort of reveal in phase 2.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I'm pretty excited about that.

Josh: Yeah, we're trying to work out at the moment the right shape of the desk.

Tommy: It is harder than you think. Well, we probably haven't thought about it, but it's hard.

Josh: Well, we're looking at a plectrum. If you're an early listener, if you've been listening for a while, you would have heard that we loved the Seth Godin desk. Yeah, he had like a triangular style desk, and the great thing is it's equal sort of, um, I don't want to say power, equal energy, equal energy. Yeah, on a sort of a plectrum on a triangle. Yeah, and we're trying to— and we don't— we're sick of the whole doing this, which is sort of like, yeah, we're sitting next to each other on one table, one side of a table. You were a big advocate for rules.

Tommy: Yeah, and we've, um, we've slowly, we've slowly got a few rules that have happened. And I think being here, being 4 days, 5 days into being in the studio, we are seeing the opportunities to create more rules.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, Mr. 97, how do you think Tommy and I do with disagreements on things of the office? Are we— does it sort of trigger you? Do you think that we're too full-on about stuff, or do you think that we're okay?

Mason: No, I think that it's fine. I mean, some, some of them you might need like a little, like a little cool off, but I think—

Josh: cooling off period.

Mason: Yeah, exactly. Most of the time, like 14 days, you'll just go to something else and just revisit it later. Like, it's usually, it's usually— there's no, no blowups or anything like that. It's all sweet.

Tommy: What I, um, have realised though is coming into a new office with a business partner where we are really sort of just making this our own Collectively our own.

Josh: Yeah, is that what it's called?

Tommy: But it would be like if you moved into— I remember I lived in the same room as my middle brother Michael. We shared a room for a while. We had bunk beds. Great.

Josh: But there's top or bottom.

Tommy: I was top. It's better to go bottom.

Josh: You look like a bottom guy.

Tommy: More superior if you're at the bottom because then you're like, it's kind of novelty for the top for a moment, but when you're older you're like, eff that, I'm not going up those stairs.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Anyway, so I was at the top, but there's the area that you have, you know, you start sort of, you want this over there, but you're in a room with another person. So there is like, you need your nook, which you can just do what you want to it. But then there's also the common areas of the bedroom. So I remember like, yeah, it's just, it's that style of thinking.

Josh: Well, arguing about whether we have the windows and doors open or, or You were asking me, why'd you close that?

Tommy: Yeah, well, I think that— I think we could both say, Mason, that Josh is—

Josh: Mr. Nice Ham—

Tommy: yeah, Mr. Nice Ham, quite particular. He needs the moons to align to start doing his work, or he needs the feng shui to be okay before he gets underway.

Josh: I just like the people around me to be on desks rather than sitting on the floor next to me. Is that too much to ask?

Tommy: No, I don't even— it's not even about that. So we've spent one working day with no desk of our own, and so it's been the first day with desks, which is fine, but I'm just saying the door closed, the right temperature, the wind has to be blowing in a certain direction to get started.

Josh: But you've got to agree that because there's lots of micro decisions that need to be made.

Tommy: Definitely.

Josh: And so like on Saturday, when we're doing a move, we still have the lease of the old office. There's sort of a 14 days where we're sort of, you know, moving.

Mason: Rollover.

Josh: Rollover. Thanks, 97. And we were discussing whether you should get the furniture, go get the desks, or you should go and bring the annoying fridge that makes noise into the office. And I was saying, I think that you should go get the desks. And the furniture so you're all sorted, and instead you did the fridge, and then on a Saturday night you're like, I can't get the— I can't get the desks, it's too late.

Tommy: Oh no, no, but we— I'm glad we didn't do that. Your pushback— your back had blown out so you couldn't help, and then Mr. 97 and I went and took the whole entire office in one swoop.

Josh: You didn't have to do that though.

Tommy: But we did that. Don't you think it was the best option?

Mason: Yeah, I think— I mean, imagine going back today Oh, today?

Tommy: No, we know, but we'll just leave it.

Josh: Doing anything 2 weeks would do it.

Tommy: No, no, no, you wouldn't.

Josh: I like it. You wouldn't do it next week.

Tommy: Bring the pain forward. It's one of your best sayings. That was Saturday. Yeah, I mean, I'm exhausted from that weekend. It's hard labor. It's, um, it's a good honest labor, you know, getting it done. Yeah. Um, yeah, anyway, we'll establish some more rules as we go. There's a few slight things like You know, our toilets here is one that is very prone to skid marks.

Josh: What do you mean? I haven't even taken a shit. You've already taken a shit in the new office?

Tommy: Multiple. My home, my toilet.

Josh: My zone.

Tommy: My home, my zone. Yeah, but it's a— so it's one of the things, if you make a mess, you clean it.

Josh: And that's how it sounds like you're only the one making the mess at this time.

Tommy: So I'm the only one who's done a poo in there. So try to do a poo and then talk to me.

Josh: Yeah, all right.

Tommy: But you, you're not— you're pretty particular, like you lock the door when you go take a piss here. Yeah, very unusual.

Josh: Well, literally, I was like— but the one time I didn't, I was just like pissing and then Mr. 97 was like, oh my God, hear the stream! I can't even— I can't even—

Tommy: doesn't change.

Josh: Yeah, I know, but the thing is I can't even piss without being trolled in this office.

Tommy: Okay, no, I reckon this is something that we all need to talk about.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: I think we're getting a bit fucking caught up in Trolling the piss out of each other, trolling hard. It is this, Josh, this is the closest that you'll ever get to experiencing like The Boys. The Boys. I know you've never had it.

Josh: I fucking hate The Boys.

Tommy: I know you haven't had it, but you know how you see like groups of mates where they are physically abusing each other, physically harming each other, throwing shit at each other, but it's just what you have to do. You survive it. That this— so we're on the way to that, which we won't.

Josh: I think we're a bit more grown up than Like, I remember even CB was getting involved yesterday trolling you with how you said his name.

Tommy: I remember this one time we used to stay, a group of boys, out in this sort of like, um, rumpus room, or like a— out, you know, like what you think Mason lives in. Yeah, which he doesn't.

Josh: He's just saying nothing good happens in a rumpus room.

Tommy: Well, we used to stay out there. There was heaps of beds. We'd smoke pot. It was, you know, we'd drink, we'd play Nintendo for hours, stay up late. But there was certain group of the boys that would fucking just torment the other kid that night. And so there was one where I got, I got hit so bad, um, 2-liter bottle of Solo or something, you know, when you drank fizzy drinks. We also did naughty stuff, but we also did kid things like drink excessive amounts of soft drinks and shit. Anyway, I got pitch black, we're all trying to sleep, I'm probably a bit intoxicated and just sort of like hoping that I would— would you have been 15, 16, hoping I don't get hit by something flying through the air in, you know, in the pitch black. Anyway, all I feel is this is doom on my nuts. Just, I'm, you know, when you feel like your balls are travelling up into your chest, it would have been like, what, '02, '03?

Josh: Like, what?

Tommy: I don't know, I'm 30 this year, I'm 31 this year, so say 15.

Josh: Well, I feel like there was a big piece of work in all fucking schools around stop hitting people in the nuts. Do you remember that?

Tommy: I don't remember that.

Josh: It was like almost a campaign I reckon at our school because like the whole Tao thing, people like, you know, flicking, and there was a big thing of like, like, you know, you can get testicular cancer or whatever, and that was always the story.

Tommy: Well, I copped a 2-liter Solo to the nuts and it was just, you know, like you can't even see this thing coming. And so imagine just eyes closed and then all of a sudden you feel like your balls are up in your chest. It hurts so much.

Josh: So when is it funny? Like, what is the boys just having a bit of fun versus just being a bit malicious?

Tommy: I don't know. I think just when it's— I'm glad you've thought it too, because I've thought it. So maybe this is it. Just the differences between the young kids is that you just stop hanging out.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: Or you just— I can't be around that guy, he's too much. Whereas we can't. We've got a business and we have a son, Mr. 97. We gotta, we just have to, I think.

Josh: Well, how about I can have Nutri-Grain in peace?

Tommy: You can have Nutri-Grain in peace.

Josh: And it's not an issue. Could that be something?

Tommy: I think what I love about that, as much as I know it was a dog move, he's identified that there's a conversation between you and Bree where you've left out a detail because it wasn't necessary.

Josh: Like, the thing is, I'd forgotten. Okay, you forgot, but he's like, when you have like a few Nutri-Grain, it's like me saying I did have Chewy and I had 4 glasses of water. Yeah, Nutri-Grain, it was like, it was insignificant.

Tommy: But he's identified it, which is the problem.

Josh: Yeah, but then identifying it sounds like I had a whole packet of Nutri-Grain.

Tommy: No, I know, I know, I know. So yeah, I think we're just going to slow it down a bit. Just take a, take a moment, just think about, is this— I don't want it all gone because it's good fun sometimes.

Josh: Well, yeah, that's the whole thing is like I've always been one Even when someone goes too far, it hasn't really happened here. Yeah. But in school, if something went too far, I wouldn't really say anything because my bigger concern over me being made fun of or feeling bad was people stopping being themselves.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: It's always a balance.

Tommy: Yeah. So I think the problem is that happens when it hasn't been said and it actually goes too far.

Josh: Well, I think there's certain things that just upset, like there's certain things that you realize, like, oh, that person's sensitive about that. Like, so for some people it might be like, for someone it might be very funny to be like, oh, look at the time, just rocking in now, would love that.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: But then for other people, it's like, they could, you know, put them into a rage, set them off. Yeah. Uh, on a serious note, where we, where our office is, is a mecca for heroin. Yeah. Is it just heroin, do we think?

Tommy: Well, as far as a type of drug in a specific area. Heroin is this area. And, um, you know, it's, um, there's, there's been— I don't know, I mean, in my growing up here, there has been a lot of heroin activity within the Vietnamese community, and there's been some severe busts. Like, you could look it up, there was like some huge busts within this, because where we are is, um Vietnamese, like the strip of Victoria Street is— there's all the Vietnamese restaurants.

Mason: No, but I'm not—

Tommy: yeah, there's been— no, it's Vietnamese, this area. That's— no, across the road from our office is a Thai supermarket, but Victoria Street, yeah, is a strong Vietnamese community.

Josh: You don't see Vietnamese, but you just see like all different types of people. But you're saying they're potentially dealing?

Tommy: You can see it, okay, 100%. You can walk down the street. I'm not saying it's the only type, but I'm saying over the years this has been an area where there's been you know, that going on.

Josh: Why do you think that is? Are they getting it from Vietnam or something?

Tommy: I don't know. I don't know.

Josh: Maybe it's just— I'm sounding very naive. I've got no idea.

Tommy: I mean, I don't know where everyone comes from.

Josh: This is how serious it was. On the weekend, we saw— we were watching through our tinted glass as we saw people downstairs just across from our office shooting up.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: The first time I've ever— is that the first time you've ever seen someone shoot up?

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I live in St Kilda, so there's like— I went for a walk last night, night before. Yeah, there was just—

Mason: you—

Tommy: I'm seeing it.

Josh: The thing that surprised me was, uh, how happy they were.

Tommy: Well, I mean, there's not much option other than to feel good when you're on heroin, but I guess part of it is like, when you—

Josh: when I think about the effects of drugs, yeah, I think about like that sort of thing. You don't really— I think you see people affected in a negative sense, but it was quite strange seeing two people. And I even saw them, like, as they were walking off, like, um, it was, uh, two women, and they sort of like one kissed the other on like the cheek or whatever, and they were hugging each other as they were walking off, and they seemed real happy.

Tommy: Yeah, I— yeah, I mean, that's—

Josh: it's strange.

Tommy: I know what you mean. It's a type of drug though. So when, when it— when there's something like methamphetamine or ice, there's aggression that comes with that. It's this sort of high, like, um, they're charged, they're hyper-energetic, whereas heroin doesn't do that. It just makes them sort of relaxed and sort of— yeah, I don't— I haven't seen many angry people on heroin.

Josh: Do we know, like, what I was wondering, is there certain ways that you should be dealing with different people on drugs. For instance, someone on heroin, are they going to respond better if I yell at them, tell them to fuck off? Or is it, you know, like depending on the drug that they're on, I wonder if there's different mechanisms to deal with. If we, you know, of an evening, if I'm leaving and I see someone shooting up, is the better thing to be like, hey, you need to like softly spoken Yeah, my approach would be to not be aggressive to them.

Tommy: You all good here, mate?

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: You know, like, I don't think I would be— yeah, I wouldn't want to sort of stir them up. Yeah, that's why. But the thing about, like, we're 100 metres or 200 metres from a really, really lovely cafe. We're across the road from one of the best Thai restaurants supposedly in Melbourne.

Josh: You haven't had it yet?

Tommy: No, we haven't. This Friday we gotta have it. Fat Friday. We gotta treat ourselves. This area is gentrified. It's an old— it's a once run-down suburb.

Josh: Abbotsford is the suburb. Abbotsford.

Tommy: That is now super trendy. Like, there is— that's what I love about that. It's like, it's flavor, you know. It's, um, there's so much character in this, even though there is some people who— I think I was walking behind a few people that were just off their face. I was just thinking about my thinking and just thinking about what's going on in my head and how I'm thinking about my life and my world, my existence, and the things I struggle with. I was like, fucking imagine how tough it is for them in their heads, you know.

Josh: Well, I wonder also, like, part of my thing is, do I make eye contact? I guess for the most part I just don't.

Tommy: I just hope, and this is what I hope, that you, uh, Observing, so not, not making eye contact, isn't you just sort of like not acknowledging what's happening, but you're actually sort of on the defense, or you're on this part.

Josh: Like, the thing is that the way that I see it is it's like, so I've done one of two ways, which is like if I see someone, uh, sitting on the ground or whatever who is homeless, I've done both. That is directly said to them, hi, hey, like engaged. And what I've found— and I'm not like this, there's obviously different, a lot of differences between someone who's just fucking homeless and someone who's on drugs, it's a completely different thing— but there is an overlap as well, right? And so I think that part of it is that the, um, especially like in this area where there is, um, a lot of drugs, but I think that part of it is like I haven't always had the best experience when I've lent into it and made the eye contact. Like the, hey, how are ya, has only ever made me engage into an interaction that I wouldn't want.

Tommy: Well, I think it varies. Remember that guy, we were in New York City in Washington Square Park, and he came up to me and said, mate, do you have any money? He said something, you got any money?

Josh: And then you said no, and then he proceeded to go, yeah, I scared the fuck out of here because he's just like—

Tommy: and when you say fuck off, I said fuck off, mate. It was just a reaction. I nearly punched him.

Josh: It scared me so bad because it was like, he was like in your face. I'll show throughout. This might be something to watch on YouTube, but this is very much what it was like. Ah, like that.

Tommy: It was scary because he'd gone from just like, do you have some money for me?

Josh: It was almost— but it felt like in the moment he was doing gear Yeah, like it's like, you're doing this now because I said no to the thing, you're being a big baby, stop it. Yeah, a little bit like that.

Tommy: He probably would have just said, yeah, no, you're right, sorry.

Josh: Um, so things are starting to chill down now that we're in the new office as we start moving, moving things. We've got 3D Dill on Friday.

Tommy: Yeah, um, he's arriving, so he's coming to intern at the big media company for 4 months, and he's, um, I'm so looking forward to having him.

Josh: And so for people who aren't aware, 3D Dill has been listening to the show for a while, up until probably since, uh, November or something like that. Yeah. Anyway, in January he heard us talking about making squeegees. We wanted squeegee keyrings because I told a storey about squeegees. You'll have to find that information out yourself.

Tommy: Episode 14.

Josh: And, uh, you didn't have to say the episode number, but, uh, uh, basically 3D Dill has made squeegees keyring squeegees, which is for our VIP squeegee cult.

Tommy: Yeah, so we only— you only opened it up to 5. Yeah, and that's, um, so that's the start. Yeah, I mean, we— this show's got 10 years in it, so we're still— we're only a year and a half in.

Josh: Yeah, it was, uh, who was it? Was it, uh, Gabby? Yeah, Gabby.

Tommy: Chelsea. So Canada, USA, uh, Wayne. Wayne, one of the OG listeners. Um, BK.

Josh: BK, another OG. Yeah, and Russ Keys, another OG. So they're going to great cult followers, which is great.

Tommy: What they need to know is that these things have been 3D printed. Dylan, 3D Dyl, did not have a 3D printer before he, you know, started this project. So he bought one, he made them, he refined it, he's painted them.

Josh: They're this beautiful sort of like, yeah, mix of bluey purple. And anyway, he is bringing them on Friday to start his internship with us. So on Friday, it is going to be the biggest Fat Friday we've ever seen.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it'll be 4 of us in the studio from now on, from Friday onwards. So we've got to give him a warm welcome.

Josh: And so you were slightly frustrated at me opening up hat merchandise given we didn't have hats.

Tommy: We still don't have hats. They're, um, they're coming together.

Josh: And so, 97, that's your job. Where are we with the hats?

Mason: Locking down a supplier.

Tommy: Okay, all right, that's formal.

Mason: Yeah, locking down a supplier.

Josh: And so where do we—

Tommy: building out the supply chain? Because scale, scale, scale, scale.

Josh: The concern that we had was around the delivery. You were saying, oh, do we just squish the hats? I said absolutely not.

Tommy: Squish the hats? What do you mean?

Josh: Well, it's like, I just put them in a fucking envelope, I reckon we could get in there. Oh no. Yeah, so that's what I don't know about.

Mason: I think I said What's the best way to post them?

Tommy: You could put them in—

Josh: and he was eating Nutri-Grain at the time.

Tommy: You could bubble wrap them and put them in a sash. Like, they are— they're not going to get—

Mason: they're going to have—

Josh: they're a sash.

Tommy: So like the same satchel, satchel, put them in a satchel and bubble wrap them. Yeah, like, we need something—

Mason: we want the peak though.

Josh: So yeah, we don't want to be a flat hat.

Tommy: Yeah, but they're not snapbacks which are going to be popped, you know, like they're not— like I could squash this hat and it would be fine.

Josh: How did yours come?

Tommy: Um, so I, I got one and I'm willing to give it away because it's too small for me. I got one given to me.

Josh: We don't need to deal with it anyway.

Tommy: It was delivered in a sash— a satchel. Sash is a fucking— it's a, yeah, Miss Universe, Miss Universe contest, which we should actually do a release of, um, sashes.

Josh: No, I'm joking. One thing at a time. Anyway, now I'm having to put the brakes on.

Tommy: You can't put them in a satchel and it was fine.

Josh: And can we do this, um, like in the next week? Can we get it all sorted?

Tommy: Well, mate, I'm not the one making the promises over here. I'm just the one who's fucking bearing the consequences of not fulfilling promises.

Josh: Well, I want to— it's going to be about delivered $25 all up, which includes the hat, the embroidery, and the delivery.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. I'm glad we only did 5.

Josh: So, but we'll probably do a min— minimum 10 maybe. So we have ones as well. Okay. Is that okay?

Tommy: $250.

Josh: Can we, can we do that now?

Tommy: We should be able to have them.

Mason: I can imagine like a 2-week, 2 to 3-week timeline.

Josh: Okay. So if you did get involved with that, the way that people did it was they downloaded Swoot.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And which is like a podcasting app.

Tommy: So basically we send you on a wild goose chase to get things from us, which is good. It shows that you actually deserve the hat if you are willing to follow, you know, this bloke's rabbit hole.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's good, it is great.

Josh: And so we, even though we've had a lot of guests on, we want to keep doing our sort of, uh, making sure that we're spending time just these sort of more admin-y episodes. Yeah, a little bit more chill, a bit fun. But, um, feel free to email us because no one's been fucking emailing. Our numbers have fucking skyrocketed.

Tommy: I was gonna say, if you've got this far within this episode, we've never asked I mean, really only a handful of times asked that you kind of give us a hand with sharing this, sending it to a mate, or subscribing, or leaving—

Josh: maybe not this episode.

Tommy: Nah, I think it is. You know what, we're investing in this show, we're in our new space, and it would be an absolute honor—

Mason: honor—

Tommy: we're just lucky.

Josh: No, I'm not.

Tommy: I'm actually shit at it. I think a lot of people are shit at asking. We've been showing up 5 days a week and we haven't missed an episode.

Josh: 336 episodes.

Tommy: It's pretty crazy. And I think that's one of our, um, it's one of our weaknesses is in sort of that ask for help, right?

Josh: Well, we've— let us do the pitch. Can I do it?

Tommy: Yeah, you do it, mate.

Josh: I'll eyeball the camera.

Tommy: Can I just play Craig Harper's podcast where he does it always at the front? Says, guys, if you're liking the show, please like, subscribe, share around, you know.

Josh: Too much post-prod.

Tommy: Just hits it.

Josh: Um, so, uh, hey everyone, it's The Daily Talk Show. Thanks for listening. Uh, we are on YouTube, uh, we are a podcast as well, but at youtube.com/thedailytalkshow you can see, uh, all of our episodes. We started doing video in January. Yeah, but every episode since January 16 has been video recorded And the great thing is with YouTube is you can actually subscribe.

Tommy: Oh yeah, and you can watch it on your big smart TV like you do.

Josh: Over 60% of people who watch our YouTube videos aren't subscribers.

Tommy: Really? That's going to change.

Josh: So if you are watching this, especially if you're watching this on YouTube, yeah, I didn't have a YouTube account for years and then realised I'm like, fuck, I can just like— I didn't have one set up for viewing. Yeah, I have it all dialled in and I've got my subscription.

Tommy: Yeah, so it just shows up what you like.

Josh: So that's the first ask.

Tommy: What's the second one?

Josh: The second ask, money, is if you listen— your cash— no, if you listen through Apple Podcasts, the last rating that we had was a 1-star rating.

Tommy: Oh, get out of here! Who was that?

Josh: Go fuck yourself.

Tommy: Someone, 100%, someone projecting, or they didn't even leave, they didn't leave a An actual comment.

Josh: They didn't leave a review. I actually was thinking it was probably me checking and I accidentally pressed the one thing.

Tommy: I mean, I left— I thought I was leaving a fake review. I was just leaving one for some animation stuff and it went to the top. Yeah, it's got my fucking name on it.

Josh: So anyway, if you've listened to the show for a while, especially if this isn't your first episode, leave us a review on the Apple Podcast app. That would be much appreciated.

Tommy: I know how much work it can take because I am one of those users that forgets to subscribe to shows. I've actually started doing it, I've started subscribing, and they've— and it actually works, funnily enough. It pushes it to me, tells me when it's happening. So if, if, if you, if you like our show like I like some other shows— because I can't like my own show that much. I don't— I mean, I subscribe to it just to get the numbers.

Josh: Finally, Mr. 97 was saying that the reason why we don't get uh, emails. Yeah, is because we don't have specific like things for people to email us about.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: 97, what can that— other than merchandise, because we don't want to be having to deliver anything.

Tommy: You've been taking notes today, um, just have a look over something we've spoken about and let's put a question out for an email.

Mason: Okay, uh, give us a scenario where some— where you've thrown someone else under the bus.

Josh: Oh yeah, that's good. Not physically, not actually throwing them under the bus. Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: No, I like that. Yeah, I like that.

Mason: Tell us all about it. Hidethedailytalkshow.com.

Josh: Fuck, he's good. It's a daily talk show.

Tommy: You're back in the good books.

Josh: Uh, we'll see you tomorrow, guys. See you guys.