#332 – Performer, Poet, Riddler Josh Piterman/
- April 24, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we’re joined by our mate Josh Piterman. Josh is a performing artist in musical theatre and entertainment. Josh is performing his first ever solo tour of Australia in June.
Josh’s holiday life
Josh’s performing career
Performing artist management
Giving advice to upcoming performers
High pressure moments and mantras
The Australian National Anthem
Poems and their musical influence
Gratitude journaling and meditation
Josh’s upcoming national tour
Understanding each other’s narrative
Josh on Instagram:
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Is the daily Talk Show Episode 332 and Josh Peterman
right in the middle.
I always felt like I was a strong 332 Yeah,
well number you were last on at one it is
and we're in Washington Square Park in New York City.
So it's almost double again but not white. In fact it's
it's not It feels like a long time ago that we we last had you on
Yeah, that was like six months?
Yes. Just at the Grand Final last year. You know, so you were we caught caught you at a time where you were kinda default frolicking around the world
Yeah, I was literally just living my best life doing absolutely nothing new for you. You are in a good vibe.
I'm not saying you're in a bad
mood now but I'm a negative energy now.
Now you definitely not that way it's funny like we're at home now we're in Melbourne and we you know we're amongst life where when we're when you're away holiday vibe. It's a different it's it's a different energy.
Definitely lighter on you. Jeffrey This is sort of an air about you that like it's a given I Fox? What annoyed me
about your trip
was after you left us you into Italy? You went to Venice? Yeah.
And then Toscana. Oh, just a pizza and you are the food you're eating off so good.
I mean, you weren't you weren't had happened to that point. What was what was the best thing that came from that trip?
The car beside. It's,
it's the food and the wine. I stayed on this farm in Tuscany a little place called the chair on the 30th It sounds like imagine
and I had five days there and that was just like task and rolling hills. And I mean, I arrived in on my doorstep this like, breads and cheeses and one like, you know, well.
Oh, sure. No, that's that's gonna be my life. The next part that we enjoy yourself during that trip.
What's What do you like about traveling by yourself? and What don't you like? I like that.
I get to choose my schedule. And that I don't have to answer to anyone.
Well, don't have kids, man, because then that's fucking out the window. Yeah. I,
I liked it. I get a lot of sort of introspective time. which I really like. And yeah, that's probably that's probably what I don't like is I don't get to can noodle?
The old canoodling? Yeah, you can noodle with your find much like yeah, you're a guy who you want to use your files basically just like like, well, I tend to when you travel, do you think you use your devices like your fines and stuff more or less?
I'm a user a little when I use it. And then I have times that I like on that farm. It was like between 9am and 9pm. The phone? Like in the villa. Yeah. And may not. That's right. Yeah.
So what you actually do on a farm for the whole day, do you just like just around
yet? Did plenty of horse riding? nature walks? They had a pool? Yeah. They had a winery. So I was intoxicated. A lot. I was very dry. There's a lot of salts in the hydride,
don't you? I get reflux when I when I've been to Italy, like Salamis and cheese is actually slowly being cured.
I think that's the process of what's probably you probably came out just at the right time
for you. Probably I did. I didn't have a lot of Nexium there.
It's like a hardcore anti reef. Ah,
ok. So the new ones they they nothing can pay. That's like
that's like the warhead.
Randy Ray Fox. This was like, This is hardcore stuff. Anytime you have to take medicine to sort of balance out your diet. There's probably something that's off in that moment. Yeah,
but it's not all the time. Yeah. It's still where I believe my soul lives. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you're a you're fat opera sing is trapped in a rip.
Because if you haven't heard him sing, he can sing like no tomorrow. Yeah. And it's not not standard singing it's operatic is that what is that style? Yeah. So we're back down on the ground. Now. That seems like a long time ago.
But then I'm offered him tomorrow to Italy.
Thursday morning. Yeah, yeah. Where are you? Where are you going? To London but probably just a little shaky.
Actually. So you speak Italian? No, not fluently. But you being a singer telling me if I can speak it, I had to say a few words. And I was like, I think I'm fucking fluent. They I was at a gelato place the other day. And there was a lady who was determined to just speak Italian to the Italian like gelato people, and I did she have her phone
out doing the cashiers have
that. It was just like, she was just saying a few words. Like, every time she's like, is it si? Si? Yes. Si, si, si si. And so she would say see a lot and then was saying a few things. But it was giving me anxiety. But Bry was like you should be celebrated. That's awesome that she's doing it right. I feel like when I came back from Thailand Island, like Saudi crop and coupled crop all these words, but I never had the guts to actually say it at a restaurant just in case. It's like Yo, bro, you might be at a Thai restaurant, but yeah, settle down. Have you ever been at a restaurant and pulled out some Italian? When is it when does it feel appropriate to do it all the time? Really?
Oh, yeah. I always try and order or just send me at the end. As a in Melbourne when you're in Melbourne in Melbourne. That's how the greenies I'll do it gronk
what I have thought is that it wouldn't sound as we'd to them I don't think if you'll just finishing you know, ciao or you know, it's literally they're interpreting is the word that way you know it so that
would be saying me sweating and
that'd be see a second row being more show than
not to be racist, but I look more Italian than you. Yeah.
I had a What do I look by the way? You look Aaron. Aaron, will you die? You will run? Yeah,
maybe I was Dutch. Yeah, yeah. Very got told Dutchman
or Scandinavian? I'll take Scandi? Yeah. That's good. Because good furniture. Yeah, and they also do hot. Yeah. Yeah.
This is the closest you've ever been to being called a Viking Josh Yeah, take it.
Do you know? Game of Thrones? Do you watch Game of Thrones? I do. But I watch it through my parents Fox telecast. And it seems like they only have Fox till for Fox 40. Okay, but now Kao Yes.
So just Kao like replace. Fuck the mic. any need for Fox hell
or replace any needs for the source component? Yeah, boxed up. And I mean, they're paying 170 a month on Fox till and then Kairos 25 a month.
It's amazing. I couldn't believe those deals because you bet. Like if you you wouldn't, I'm guessing get like NBA and stuff. You probably don't need league pass for that. You get all that? Really? Yeah, you get 50 plus sports channels. Just like a brand integration.
Or 50 passports, whatever it is. It's a lot of sport. But it get back to your point. Now I can't watch Game of Thrones. Oh, no.
So can the subscription
Yeah, and I was just using it off that path. Definitely. Got the first year. Yeah. And then Mondays. I haven't been able to watch so I just want to stay off social media so that no one you know gives me that spoiler.
Well, we won't spoil it because I didn't watch it all but we were
Yes. Okay. All right now I watched two seasons and then I dropped
you so you actually committed in tonight?
Well, I committed when everyone it was like five seasons in and I did two seasons. I just lost. I just lost interest and then I picked up Vikings. Then I was like this is a bit more full on. And then I dropped on a graphic
Is that right? Why? You know, I've gotten rid of your porn addiction because you're just looking at Vikings
is addiction. The same with less fantasy? I watched it. Yes. And
that's what I liked about it. I didn't like
how much fantasy was you don't like dragons?
No, not really. I don't
don't you just see them as like, it's like old school nuclear bombs. But that's what they are like it's a metaphor.
I've never liked sci fi and then when it's gone to sort of magical I haven't enjoyed it. You're
here Tommy during this training. So this is a bit silly.
You can't ride a dragon
Can you ain't gonna suspend your disbelief but the bill if
you had one, you would 100% fucking right if
I had a dragon you wouldn't see what is the reason I don't have these other watch this show because then you're getting conversation about
if you had a dragon, you've got your own fantasies like whether you're going to live in Albert Park. But the band is the sex scenes in Vikings vs. Game of Thrones which is sort of more full on
as in what's full on what I guess like
how close to porn are there? Yeah,
very close this it's soft core really in
sort of a sort of different sort of leagues Are they all very sort of similar
you seeing both you saying like full notice he Yep. Do you see full pain? I don't think you say that.
Maybe a little bit not like a little penis but a
little bit of pain. This is definitely a snippet
so what we The reason I was bringing up Game of Thrones is because yesterday I will try to work out whether it's is it medieval. Which couldn't work out what men evil mains.
Media evil is like, it's like Shakespeare and Tom's right. Yeah, well, pre Shakespearean times.
I feel like anyone who's describing medieval by in the sentence with
right. It's evil with a dust of magic on it because it's many evil was a legit time in history.
But if it's silly,
silly video evil.
It's pretty storage. I know. Okay, yeah, it's when you shot and then just throw it out the window and said, Oh my
really watch my shit. I feel like that would ruin any sick thing. Knowing that there's just shit everywhere. I wouldn't ruin it. The
90s you Josh is a guy just travels around the world. You know what I love about what you do? Even since when I met you a couple of years, maybe four years back three years back? You were in the fitness game? You know, four years back? Was it four years? Three years?
I remember meeting you at high school when you were years below.
Really? And you were a shocking little here.
So I've told me Can we just go into that for a second? I'm a hoodlum. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A teacher.
Tell me tell me was described by Teacher He was his friend was in a in a class and Tommy rode his bike past a classroom and the lady the teacher said, say that to me. jacket. boy. He's a naughty boy. Yeah, he sums it up. I've got
also you started puberty a lot earlier than a lot of the other boys. He was a big naughty boy. Yeah,
guess meeting you as a as a reformed reformed hoodlum as an adult is when we sort of met and did some work together. But even then you were doing your your personal training stuff, and you had your business and you're doing more? You were sort of breaking into the industry, would you say
the writing back into breaking? So I took like a month?
You did the 10? tennis
tennis I do traveling the world again? Fuck
you. You just our guide
to travel. Do I start story?
A couple of other things. Yeah. And that was all up to about 2000. And I did hairspray over in the UK as well. And then so at the end of 2013, I was like, its native we break here. And so I took about 18 months off to start this fitness business. And then I just missed what I love doing. Yeah, most
and then you back into it. But what I love about I mean, I don't even feel like it's it's my existence. But looking to you and sort of the performances you do that the traveling the touring, is you do these real hard stints of time where you put it in like projects. Yeah, they're like project, I
guess I heard I was reading an article where they're talking about that's where the whole sort of workforce is going. And sort of like Hollywood style, where you spend six months you're coming as teams, you work on something, and then you leave, and you might work with someone again, but you might you might have you
had to adjust to doing those projects, or Sprint's or dedicated extended periods of time and having nothing.
The thing is when you do when I'm doing nothing, I'm I feel like I'm other than that holiday that I took, which was just because I was like, I just done a 13 month project, which was beautiful, the Carole King musical, which was, which really took it out of me because the role was so mentally taxing. I just needed like, three months. After that, I look, I haven't can't say I've done another big show or whatever. But I've been in big time creative mode, building something. So sometimes that that project work is sort of unseen work. And it's just just behind and then like the last week and after an album tour, but we've been working on the back end of that for four months.
When I say weight management, so maybe it's the what people sees the projects, you're seeing the output of the project, and then there's all that time, because there's not one without the other. Right, you need that time after
photo. And it's the same in every industry. Yeah, I'm sure that like, you know, we, yeah, we see the we see the new Air Jordans that come out. But they've been we've been working on
it? Well, they definitely like I know like with events. Once the event finishes all the conferences, it's like I get back the next week, the conference organizers are back in a room organizing for the next year. It's pretty crazy. What's it like? What's the sort of time from when you find out that you're in a musical to an actually being in production? What's that? What's the time so
I found out about beautiful in January 2017. I started auditioning and July 16. I went into rehearsals in August 17 and finish the show in September
18. That's crazy that nuts God. And
so how much time you putting in before you've even landed the gig like is this? Is there a bunch of people out there that wasted four months of their life trying to get this job? And you want it? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah.
And then, you know, depending on the role, there's a pre rehearsal component. I mean, Esther, who played Carol was, she's not a pianist, but Carol has to play the piano. And she was she was working on all the piano stuff and months and months and months prior to the contracts. Darling, how does the business side of that work? Like, are you contractors? Are you employees? Do you like how did you are contracted on what's called a run of plight, and that's a for however long the show runs from day one of rehearsal until up to 14 months, and at 14 months ago to renegotiate and beautiful ran for 13 months. So that was the runner play ended up being 13.
Do you get to going into it? You know, work out how much they gonna pay? Can you is it negotiating? And
that's why I have a manager back I had Yeah, well that my manager James is probably the best guy. Yeah, you can't call me back. I know. I'm gonna call him a bad guy. We need jobs.
And so from a promotional point of view today say, Okay, this is what we're going to spend on advertising and you're going to be on tramps, you're going to be like what
they really they really tell us about that. And they just do their thing. Yeah, yeah, that's sort of above us. Like it's like Josh and whoever else in the cast. Do you guys focus on the art? And we'll focus on trying to get people to see your
Yeah. What about social media stuff? Are they now saying we want you to create or post x y&z? I think
it's just sort of open. It's more like what not to do? Yeah. And the general thing is, if you think this could be something that you shouldn't do, chances are don't do it. Yeah.
And this podcast is probably one of those
brand damaging This is this podcast.
And the main,
And so from a management point of view, are they all year round? Looking for start? Like, what is the typical relationship of a manager?
I chat to my manager every day?
about something and yeah, I mean, generally, the difference between an agent and a manager is an agent, we'll get briefs coming in via email. And I'll think about who in on the books is appropriate for that particular brief, whether it's, you know, film, TV, musical theater, theater, and and then they will submit those people back to, you know, then they'll get an audition gonna be lucky. And then it's about getting the gig and then negotiating a contract. And that's a very black and white version. I'm sure a lot of agents do more than that. But a manager is more like, out there looking for actively looking for ideas. And like my manager, and I just got on James. Yeah. James and I have have worked on for months on putting together all the pieces for this album tour. Yeah. That's not something I don't expect it from an agent. Yeah. So, you know, we've been working tirelessly for Yeah, I would say since the start of the year, on this. I've been working creatively since the album came out in April on ideas for tour. But like, I literally quit, I've done this shit without without him. And does James have multiple clients at once? And do you collaborate? He does, but I think James would probably say that I I hug James.
I definitely hope James, why not?
I got asked yesterday about I don't know if it was like, Can you give me advice? It was a question that was basically saying, what do you think about this, which I guess is someone asking you for their advice, for your advice? And I and I struggle in those around podcasting, and I struggle sort of slipping into, you know, I guess all I've got to go on is my experience. And sometimes you can be jaded in certain respects to certain areas or know how hard it was for you. And then that's the advice you end up giving. So it's like I always have to sort of double check myself on giving advice. This I can imagine you've been asked advice around getting into musical theatre. And I can and I know from your journey that it's been tough at times how do you go about it giving advice when someone is asking you should I I really want to get into musical theater
Yeah, I'm I think when I started I would
be like a Tony Robbins it a bit like clapping Yeah. And I think that's just sort of like my nature to try and you know, be positive and inspirational and that's sort of very normal for me. But recently when people I could people contact me send me often about it. And students or people who want to become students or pursue Josh
I know Josh Janssen was
your knock on the door. I would like to do a bit of musical
theater. Give it a bit of razzle dazzle
definitely got the razzle dazzle
I think now i i basically say that it's
it's so much more hard work, persistence, its dedication mindset than it is talent, like the amount of talent really at the start, is, you know, if you've got some God given gift that I think that's really rare to have that. But probably like, I always bring it back to athletes, like in the AFL has, you know, 30 guys who would just above and beyond athletically or have some other if there's a whole bunch who are probably in the middle? And the ones that work hardest, who try and how to do it most dedicated, who are most focused who do probably the most work on their mindset and stuff. are the ones who have long careers. It's not necessarily just talent only gets you so far, probably unit actually, in any career. Yeah, but the great thing about the athletes is you can actually watch them all with chaos.
So are you saying that your advice or you know, your suggestion or your conversation with these people is is more real now then? Oh, yeah. Just as in Realty, true to your experience.
motivational no man.
Who's the example who's who's the more the real person these days? It's dishing up advice.
Probably. Jay. Jay peers. Oh, yeah, that's me. Okay.
And what do you what do you think people? How do you think people are responding to this?
I think it always like Bry to an internal conversation rather than going yeah,
cool. I want I'm going to do it, then. I'm going to do our music. Oh, yeah. It's Yeah,
it makes them think a little bit more. Do I really want to pursue this? Which is, which, you know, it's a really fucking tough industry. Yeah. It's super competitive, especially in this country. You know, there's only a half a dozen shows on at any one time max. So let's say like, 120 people are doing musicals in this country. Like, that's not really very much. So. It's being tough, I guess early, because it's like, if they can get past you being real about it. Yeah, they're probably more likely if you have to sort of sugar coated up front, probably, you know, setting them up. So it's like 90s pop culture reference was obviously I mean to but it's likely facing Vulcan in the gauntlet in the gladiators, but like, like he's the first one. And then once you get past that, you should be able to Yeah,
you've all come. Yeah.
Who's the guy from Who Dares Wins? Michael? Yeah,
I'd love to have Mike Whitney on the show. I'd love to. Yeah.
I'd love 10 years I
would be grind, you know, 10 you.
I'm sure you saw 10 years ago. Take a few times. Nice to see her boutique nightclub. Yeah,
he thought he promoted.
Did you ever
promote never promoted a club? I just got VIP passes. That's what that was all I was That was my mission. If only I channeled my fucking energy somewhere else.
So free drinks. Is
that what that gives you? Free entrance? Not lining up, bring people in straight out rock star insurance.
Do you get free drinks? free drink? So you were promoted?
Now? I know. I never
looked at the promoters growing down on him. No, I looked at the promoters growing up and thought fuckin like this. They had some resilience in life. Just always having a front about how good the club was. Even if it was snowing there. Yeah,
I promoted it. Seven. Did you? Yeah. Do you want do you want to know something really bad? What? I've heard it seven for about 18 months. And then I had my 18th at seven. Yeah,
and they were like
yeah, so well. I'm 18 now so it's like let's just forget about it was so lacks
clubs in Melbourne. Like getting in. I've never been to a club.
Good if you can believe it. No, I live clubbing kind of guy.
No, I remember filming at nightclubs when I was like 16 I went to his colonial house. Would you count as a nightclub? They did the they did the also
the unit? Yeah, whatever. You were there to film? Yeah. You can't say you been
there. I would get free drinks or whatever. So I'd give it to a mate who would go and get pissed at night time though. Yeah, it was in the evening. Okay. Yeah. When all night clubs sort of happened. Yeah,
no, but I could see maybe you just feel me during the day.
Definitely had that sort of vibe. You know, that's the ugliest thing in the world. It's a nightclub during the day.
What? Did I use them
for anything during the day? I saw one on the weekend in Port Melbourne in the back streets in industrially or Neverland? Was it
maybe because Neverland? I remember I was very excited. When I was making my 12 film and nearly got, we had pyrotechnics and we needed to find some way to film the same. And they had like a view of the city. But anyway, it turns out the pyrotechnic guy had double booked with a 30th birthday on Beach Road in Albert Park. Yes. And so we ended up with setting up like a mock a 10th thing because it was raining and we filmed their pyrotechnics for the party with us in the foreground for the same. So it was always
a party I think cost me 300 bucks for the market for that. Yeah.
I reckon the guy seem to be doing a lot of favors for a lot of people. So I don't know what was going on. But it was turned into a beach thing because it was at the handlers club. That actually that's a good idea.
drug. Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Yeah. You could definitely Yeah, like batch things. I tried to get at the Melbourne jail because it was a good view. But they just got installed fake grass and not worried that we're going to catch the whole graph.
It's probably it's probably the warrior.
Have you done any shows that have had pyrotechnics in them? I did this little one
on Australia Day at the Sydney Opera House. Yeah. That probably had about 60,000 people there and about $10 million. Where the pyrotechnic Jayla, yeah, I got to sing Nessun Dorma, which is like the Pavarotti Aria. So if you want to head over to my Instagram, you can definitely watch it if you scroll down. It was it was the most I've tried to undersell it, but now I'm just going to oversell It was the most epic fucking gig I've ever done in my life. I made so many little turd to my peers before I went so nervous
did not give you any surgery, any pyrotechnics go off during your bit. Yeah, it was.
It was literally
true. I've seen this is like fight like, it's like fireworks, I
was going over the Opera House and going off the harbor. And like this was not like, like if I would literally need to rob the Commonwealth Bank to be out of all this to do a video clip. So
it wasn't part of someone else's 30. So
it was it was a part of it was a part of Australia.
And so what's that process of having the nerves and actually doing it anyway? How do you what do you what do you say to yourself?
I go into mantra, like I like Instagram, I
Instagram, Instagram. Now, I definitely do a lot of I mean, we talked about this last time, avid meditator meditation, love what it's done for my mindset. But in moments of high pressure. It's like, I can go into a series of mantras that are about more than the performing like I'll talk about. I'm still I'm grounded and I'm free. I'm powerful. And that's the sort of stuff I repeat them I like go tues and then you know what, as soon as that music started
it was just a sea of
people on the foreground of the of the Opera House nice and I'm sort of halfway through the song I was just loving it but I was sort of halfway through the song and in the choir kickin, and I got a moment of just sort of take it all in before the big ending. And I was just like,
this is the coolest
thing in the history of your life. Pittman. This is like it was so like all sort of witnessing vape ism i j. So I was sort of witnessing my own, like out of body experience. So out of audience what Eckhart Tolle probably refers to as the observer was like, I was observing my own life and I'm like, it actually doesn't get better than this. Yeah.
Bring it was
the sort of vibe and was just it was just electric and and I didn't know that the fireworks were going to go off. So I'm like, surely
surely they should tell you because
you want to know what?
Who was the creative director said do you want to know what happens? I'm like, absolutely not. Don't tell me what happens. Because I just want to be in the moment and elephant comes
So techniques like that way. That's a Yeah, that that was um, yeah subtle pyrotechnic job that I've got to do. The I feel
like in the same scenario, if I was telling wanted as you were in that experience, I feel like every behind the same thing I watch of different performers, they're always saying my fucking me is my is taking it out. Yeah. So what happened is, because you're talking about this meditative sort of mantra thing, but I feel like most realities, it's
okay, the Indians were golden. I got some fresh in his for my beta in October. Yeah. And
I'll be why Oh, he needs
like, you gotta have your own anyway. Yeah. But Josh Osaka
airport reference, I got wax and I googled how to fix it. And they said to suck on the
you think I didn't say this episode?
I know all about this.
So molded, specifically molded theory or and these like ones? Sure. 535. So they're almost as good as you can get sound quality without being molded. But they were banging. Yeah. Because previously, I'd had an episode. I had to both doing the national anthem at sporting event. Yeah. And both like one was like, it was cutting in and out. And it was so hard. You talked about that in the last show you had to do you feel it
out? or? Yeah,
I definitely did that at one of them. But at the news test at the sad not this year, last year. We did two sound checks. And then I went out to do the gig in about three minutes for like any check in in checking out. not working. Oh, really? Done? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing at all coming through, actually. Oh, okay. We'll get that sorted. 30 seconds ago, any check? Not this, but still nothing. All right. Well, you are going to go out with no news. And so like we Yeah, so you just sort of go at absolutely naked. There's a bit of fall back. Yeah. But the thing about stadium gigs is everyone singing that anthem as well. And it's all bounce back. So they're all seeing it in different time. So it's actually like, you just you want to shut the fuck up. So you can concentrate? Yep. But they're not because yeah. So you're basically just trying to keep Tom Hammond what's the mantra then? Don't fuck.
We had a comedian whose mantra before walking on stages on the best. I'm the best. I am the best low, which is, I guess, using words to center yourself. I guess he's
created for now. Yeah, he's creating a level of confidence when you which you in the scenarios you need. Yeah, I guess for some people, they need the extra confidence boost and other people need to reset to the other way. Yeah. How do you feel after the Sydney Opera House gig? Is it is the morning after? Like, do you feel great? Or you like what I've picked now? Do you go into like a depressive mode like three days later? where it's like, I'll
just go straight to depression. Yeah,
well, I just feel like I would I feel like it's a high. It's like, well, if I can have done it now.
Well, it was a high. It was a super high. And tell us about that. Tell us about the high first. I yeah, it was hard to get to sleep. And I wanted to watch it back. And my girlfriend Charlotte had come out from London to be there for it what she meant to be there, regardless, but it was a double thing that she had to say. And we were just both on a high. Then I think I couldn't get to sleep till like 3am. Maybe later. And then we had to get up at six for a flight back on. I think I was in that sort of sort of CD hangover, that I hadn't really had anything to drink. So it was just sort of a mess for a couple of days. I don't think I ever crashed. Yeah,
I guess it's good. I mean, are you choosing? Do you think you could choose to right to be grateful for the high
on the sheet now, that was so good yesterday Now today's but I think part
of it probably is like preparation in regards to like you prepared to for that moment. If you had, if that was the first gig that you'd landed, I think it would probably be a different sort of thing, right? It's like hockey stick growth, if I can go up, and then the crash is bigger, where it's like, you've been building on this and the years and
usually that's sort of my career, like, the amount of time so I've been asked, you know, can you go on the voice? Or can people work on the show? Yeah. Or X Factor or whatever? And I was like, No, no, because I I get the sense that for me. It would be short of short term gain long term impact. Yeah. It just be that yeah, that that I can influence by Yeah, yeah. It's like, like having six father crumbles in a minute.
And so I've always got my Easter.
So it's sort of steady, steady, steady. So yeah, I feel like I've been building up to that for over a decade. And so it was, it was sort of immense pride. Yeah, at the work, but then I just couldn't not be grateful for all the people around me, especially Jon foreman, worked on the album with and really, if he didn't gonna work on that project with me, I know that he probably wouldn't have, you know, asked me to do do the gig and, and then get James my manager again. And, and then I was really grateful for Charlotte because I was pretty nervous during the day of Australia Day. And she was, you know, like, you know, I couldn't I couldn't eat I couldn't even iron my shirt. Well. Yeah,
um, and she was just like, you know, the kind of thing so, yeah, there was a lot of lot of that. Yeah, it was still a bit out of out of body again. Oh, yeah. So yeah, sort of seeing it all and go.
Crazy. James's manager actually demanded the fireworks Josh
army will perform with $10 million.
Since we last saw it. I didn't think he had a girlfriend. Since we had you on the show or spoken decent. She's a musician,
singer, songwriter. Yeah, I met her three weeks after I saw you got crazy. Amen. Like that? I think, yeah, I really felt like you. Like,
we scented you, and you found your way to Charlotte.
So thank us.
I don't want to thank you. Thank you.
Only from a quick Stoke from the photos you put, I can say that she's a musician. What's that? Like? My wife is in a podcast. It isn't a video person. She's not in the same sort of creative space? How is that having a partner that is vying for a similar? Sort of, you know, a similar thing? Or is there no similar to just have your wet in the evening?
Did you spell that je W. JJ Tell me.
She went she went on it. Do it.
Do it. Do it, do it.
We have we actually actually writing a song at the moment. Called Love is all we need with john form. which is which is great, which I'll get to drop on my album tour for the first time. So that's that's the first time we sort of collaborate on anything.
You can get her out on stage, she's going to come out.
Not it's not a Juliet. Juliet, it's a it's
actually a duet with john and Josh
Charlotte's sister wheeling the
It never feels competitive, never has that vibe. It only feels supportive. She's very much in a sort of pop, or in the pop world of singer songwriter. And like the classical crossover artist, musical theater guy is like they're just not in the same realm. It almost feels like different industries, do you think? Yeah, but with a sort of great understanding of the shit that didn't go through the emotional stuff. So that support is is really strong.
And then is that a hard thing author, because I could imagine both experiencing the same challenges that could actually I mean, one of you has to be strong at all times, you know,
it's all you you both feel shit, and you can feel shit together again, which is which has happened or you both up or once at once. Now, I mean, that's just how it is. I just think as long as you have great communication, and that you're empathetic and understanding, then, you know, you and you're not a dick, or a duck. Duck then it things are normally fine. I mean, we're only sort of almost six months in so you know, there was still in a honeymoon phase. Yeah, it's a honeymoon phase to to a degree and to another degree. It's not. We've had a lot of challenges already because we do long distance. Yeah, we've had two months together of those almost six months. So you know, we've we've put ourselves into tough battle. Said I go over Thursday morning for a wee bit.
And then she comes back out middle of June, and then I go back in July. So we're trying to do as much as we can to make the geography of it. I was listening to Spotify the other morning, and I have like the weekly playlist type of thing. And I was like, Fuck, I know this song. And it was your cover of Iris playing right? Yeah, so it was like, Spotify was fucking in in my feet was
music Italy? I don't know what
it must be. Must be on. On that note, but I think it was because I'd been listening a bunch previously or whatever and it just sort of re delivers songs that you'd heard or whatever
songs that you really like Yeah,
well that's why I do love fucking I've said to Tommy that I prefer covers. Always over the original song. Really? I think that it just adds a different element to something I don't know. It just feels like can
go into one of two ways ruinous or make a better
life Uptown Girl. Billy Joe.
Smash Mouth. I'm a believer.
This is also a very telling of his music taste, which I don't think is
good. Hold on.
I posted something on Instagram, which was you backed out Nickelback which is one of my favorite artists. I didn't actually say anything it was just a long sigh and some nickel crap Yeah, because look at this loading rap. Is that Nickelback? Yeah, that is every time I do it makes me laugh. I had a couple of kids back then. And what the hell was on Johnny's head like some of the worst of all time but I did a post about Roses are red. violets April is gray. But in a few weeks picture of Justin Timberlake I didn't I can understand it. I don't want to get it No it's kind of a my Yeah, you didn't get the 90s reference so I
don't even think it's a 90s right it's a very obscure you've given people a real
incredible rid of
these pop culture reference through a riddle you are through a riddle you your bets basically Game of Thrones that the
the national anthem the lyrics of the national anthem, can we go through it very quickly or but slowly? How does how does the national anthem start again because I used to sing Australians
let us rejoice on Let us rejoice for we are young and free we
we leave golden soil
I thought it was with
no we have golden soil we've golden soil i said i think i should change
it. We've got we've gone live and we're fucking god go
and a bunch of
so with with we've golden soil. Yeah, with golf for toil, wealth for toil. Our home is good is good. Yeah, it's good. It was
just you know when you're butchering it in
like Douglas could get by?
is good. And then what
is the guy Outlander found
in nature's gives gifts gifts
of beauty rich and rare, rare in history's page Let every stage that every stage like every single stage,
advance advance Australia fair. Yeah,
lyrically. Do you enjoy strange strange
ways to say stress? Like like enjoy stress and let us sing?
Do you have to as as someone who has done the national have them do you need to know the second verse? Is it a verse
is he nice? How radiant saw them cross with
Amen well renowned through all the lens for those who've come across the seas with boundless planes to share with courage lead us all combined to advanced strategies were in joyful strength and let us take advantage as we're just going to second. The second when do you ever get to do the second verse on Australia? They read it Oh, really? Yeah, that's good. I did we did have it on the autocue. It's like the Encore
it's Yeah, it was probably like guys to sit down and then you have I
yeah, I learned a primary school we had to do to this every Monday or something. I promise
you go to a Jewish public school. Oh, no. No.
Went to OpenStack
Yeah. And then you went to and then you went to Italy? Yeah, we were we were pumping inadequate.
Yep. pumping it out and big parties happy
that you know what is that pumping
out the hoodlums Monday Monday
now we in that what was it that know? What was it the whole it was the Brent Adamson
Yeah, yeah, that's where it was your playground Yeah, that's
where I think lyrics can be up to interpretation with the when it comes
in as in whether or not a correct
to interpretation the strategy example but with when you're doing a cover, what is the actual like, you know, you got all licensing and shit I remember hearing somewhere where it's like a Smash Mouth I remember changed I'm a believer slightly to the monkeys version because I'd love to the monkeys version. Did you have that when you were doing Iris? Do did you change certain words to give it a bit of JP zone? Yeah,
I did it in Italian
So from a trip from a translation point of view, do you have like with that part of it being in Italian? Okay, I came back and remember that it was entirely I was still in it. Yeah. And I still leavin knew the song. I wrote back and singing English No idea. Which is
cool because at some people like to, like people have responded to and said, I've tried to learn it phonetically in Italian. Yeah, we're going I just sing along. Yeah,
that's right. I think that's what I was doing. So there's no copyright you don't have to worry about that when it's
no you still pay opera? Yeah. Which is the governing body and therefore the the original writer still makes a buck out of it. Yes. And I mean, but some were like the version of creep I did was actually already a cover in Italian and the
version of creepy original interesting great.
Just going to stick it
so the guy who the covering the cover then yeah, because the lyrics are got nothing to do with being a Craig the lyrics. It's the songs actually called I don't need Costa, which is at any cost. And it's about typical Italian thing. It's about ending up with a woman who treats you like shit at any cost you just a slave to this woman. So I've got actually nothing to do with being a weirdo. That being
at any time.
Is the we've had
Josh Simon's on the show before whose Do you just have Joshua's? Yeah, yeah, we're just our
Josh Josh fields Milburn. Yes Janssen. He's on all the time. Yeah. And knowing what a
bit Josh is was talking about. He's performed at big state or like arenas or whatever it is. And he was talking about the that you make bank, basically, when you perform your own song, if you like written and all that sort of thing. Yeah. Have you ever had one of those experiences where it's like fact, not only have I got this great experience, but I'm doing one of my own tracks. So based on the amount of people that are in the audience, I'm going to walk away doing all right.
No, because this song lovers, all we need is my first original. Really, yeah, I like being a crossover artist. You generally do a lot of covers, like you sit there you see time to say goodbye, like a million times over rideshare cracking to the arbitrary, you know, just a winner. So do your own stuff is is a bit rare. Yeah. But I really want to write stuff. I've been writing poetry for quite some time. And it just
read poems much. Yeah,
I just bought a book called How to read poems.
First word, and then the next.
There's a whole it was fucking the big book, too. She Dan the booth who we've had on the show recommended it for me to read. Anyway. It's like
reading power. It's more of a signaling of like, I'm a creative artistic guy who cares about so
is it one of those things where you go for coffee somewhere? I just have it. Yeah.
There's a poem translate to a song.
not not always look.
Charlotte said to me that, that sometimes my lyric writing is too poetic. It's too much governed by perfect rhymes and all that kind of stuff. I'm a good writer. Yeah, love a good writer. But she's like, No, you need some sort of imperfect rhymes and stuff like that. Just like, like, it doesn't need to be so clinical. So I'm working on that. With that. So she sort of grabbed the songs I've written and, and torn apart
for the rhyme. At all. I feel like rhyming could potentially like Bray found her old diaries when she was growing up and she found that there was a lot of rhyming, like when she was doing poems It feels like it's when you're in school it's a very common thing we do think poetry you gotta think every fucking line has to rhyme with the entire entire Yeah, exactly.
Otherwise it's a crime you'll receive a fine I want to eat line.
Right Instagram it
is the the lyric writing versus the poetry stuff. to a lot of people start poem thing turning into lyrics is they need to go for it tells them to pull their hair. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know what people's journey that like, for a lot of you like Charlotte. She went and did a Bachelor of Arts in songwriting. So she spent three years of writing a song every day Really? Yeah. So you just get you probably create your own methodology and whether or not you write poetry on the side or whatever it is. I'm not sure. I don't know how I think people approach it from all different angles. I think Daniel John's probably writes a lot of poetry. He seems like a pretty
what's the way to go? Is he still playing? He still?
I'm sure he's I'm sure they're creating stuff he seems over to create. Not create. But yeah, some of the rhymes in the song I was working on where to poetic. Not the poetry I read is a lot of love poetry, and anyone any anyone ever read Atticus? Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty it's pretty romantic, magical shit.
Like to write and go back? That was good. That was a good Rock Chalk.
If you go to the home that you've read, you've written
What about poetry like Spotify for poetry? It was Randy's
what's that slam poetry if he's all poetry
if you have to search for an Instagram account to find the poetry very new age have you gone into you'd get
into slam parties
battle rages names guys.
This is this is a great one and not nice reference now and we'll get
about this is Atticus
This is Atticus want to find it? So I was at a time ago. She was someone who if the plane was going down and everyone was screaming, she would look me in the eyes and laugh and her laugh would make me laugh. And then we both be laughing the two crazy people laughing as our plane was going down.
Malaysia Airlines little poem.
What was that flight? me a little bit back a little bit little bit dark so that's nice. So I don't really write a lot of stuff to do with plane crashes
you stick that's how much they don't do that on a fuckin you know Jetstar flight or whatever they'll attack you about I definitely do. Some
Is this yours
is a little background on
someone's off. jp is
a woman. When he looked into her eyes he saw her soul and similarly felt bomb vulnerable enough to allow her to do the same. They are intertwined physically, emotionally and spiritually. It was the deepest love they'd ever made. So that was a crash
before the crash because they were trying to join the club.
So that's a bit of my
my do my Bob do journal yet daily? Really? Hey, we got like, I want to get into fountain pens. Do you have a fountain pen?
No. I have a bio that I use. Terribly. I'm I'm I'm a terrible writer. Like I've should be. I'm a son of a doctor. But I should be a doctor. Yeah.
That sounds like a poem. I'm a son of a doctor. I should be a doctor myself.
What's the next
self? It doesn't mean I need to. I need some help. some help. some help.
If you repeat multiple times it has more cutthroat
Yeah, it's almost when you read it you make every time you say it slightly different. It's like It's like when you sing a song you can't you can't say help would help you to Help. Help.
Help. I think the last time there was the definitely the pause is different. What are you writing about
in your journal? I think
writing bad nothing whatever. It's it's a gratitude journal. So I start the day with three things I'm grateful for life one thing I changed from yesterday an action or a behavior or or something that happened
all right. How often are they based on food? I feel like it would always be for me. I wish I didn't have this
How often is it that food related?
It sometimes is like didn't need the third donut Yeah. So occasionally I show and then it's some I am mantras like was talking about I am before I go on stage that sort of stuff. And then three things that I'm going to do today so like it might be I'm going to try and or I'm not going to be an absolute asshole Josh
autonomy like intention and attention the intention for the day
into like an iPhone. How big is the my journal would be an a five half an iPhone? Is that what that is?
I believe a small book
Yeah, just a small no and
it's a nice thing to do at the start of the day. So it's like that and meditate and like it's just sort of sets my day up to go to to reflect on life a bit and to reflect on the people in my life and things in my life. Because I think we can just go about business and just forget about that stuff. And then it sort of sets up my day so I know that like those three intentions ago will do I look back on the day after and go did I achieve those things? Why not? Why didn't I achieve so you look back I think looking back is good. Yeah, we do present so great grateful for now. Yeah, pass something that I would
change. And then in terms of the day
and some some is which matters.
I I've been doing quite a bit of consistent meditation this month. haven't missed a day. But I've just been big is that new few Well, I I'm yet this year since I've seen you definitely my mom was a meditation has is a meditation teacher has been for a very long time before it was cool. But I got into it a lot more. Ask if you if you meditated GG, meditate. Now the answer is no. But no. But what I'm saying is and where I'm going with this is I've been realizing lately from meditating is going what I've been thinking about times in my life, so I was thinking about a time where I was in a different relationship and where my mind was at and what how I wasn't meditating. And I was thinking, fuck, like, my mind now is racing, but I'm more present of what my thoughts are and where I'm focusing on. Like, without that, it's like fucking dangerous. Looking back. And that's what like, that's one of the main things I want just
well, it's just a hyper, it's about thinking cognitive dissonance is thinking about thinking like the opposite of awareness. Yeah. And so thinking about my thinking, it's like, Fuck, I feel like I was a different person when I wasn't doing that.
And we all do that. It's like, it's like, storyline. So, you know, we create an idea that doesn't exist. It's not it's not fact like I felt redemptive, that that person that person hates me and doesn't absolutely hates me. And you go back to a conversation you had with with them. And you take it from a perspective that is one sided and jaded with all the things that you are putting on a rather than what maybe actually happened if you were someone watching that conversation, and then you spiral down a line of catastrophizing and nightmares about about this and then you you sort of bubble leave in this fiction about about your relationship with
Yes, that's why I can't have social media. I've retired from my relational social media. Yeah, just because that's why it's so easy to like, click through and being like, Oh, yeah. And then you can create these stories and then before you know it all these people who you actually normally like in real life, you think of fucking idiots online, so it's
what I was the Nickelback.
nickel crap, I believe is what you said. Wasn't nickel crap. You said? Yeah.
Do you think Nickelback get a hard time though? In all seriousness, or not? Mize? I think that gives 05 because they make them bang. Yeah, show
me the meme though. Right? Yeah, for a lot of lot of people. It's like, I think it's sheet music, but I'll listen to it and laugh and sing along. Yeah.
Back to your middies? Yes. What What do you think's changed as a
as a person, as a dad as a partner as a as a partner?
Well, I think just this realization of
in a constant showing up to think about my thinking, where I've always thought and I thought I can sort of go deep and think about the thing, that that showing up and doing it every day, and just thinking about thoughts and what they are and how much meaning they actually have one thing of real one thing this meditation program is doing is saying, when a thought comes in, don't try don't shut it out. actually observe it. And it actually the industry disappears. And since I these weed, fucking thing, that thoughts that are coming in, I'm not choosing for them to come in, they just happening and disappearing, and then something else is coming. So I'm just sort of, in the early days of exploring the understanding of thought, and yeah,
I'm not a guru on this at all. But that is the whole idea of being the the witness or, or the observer. I think Andy pecan, who is the creator of headspace, which is a really well used app, and describes those thoughts as cloud and that the our state of contentment is blue sky, land sort of joy, like if joy is everlasting, and happiness is fleeting, Joy is blue sky, and the clouds are just thoughts. And if we allow them just to go past, notice them say them and just allow them to go past they will go past and, and we will go back to the blue sky. But often what we do is we turn white cloud into a gray cloud into a giant storm, and then the whole sky is filled with storms. And we've actually created that yeah, it wasn't actually anyone is put that on us. It's not an external it's an internal. And what we lack doing often is actually taking responsibility for that and it's confronting
and it's confronting to know that it's like our this situation isn't about this person or that person. And this story isn't only the reality that you've created, but you can choose
Yeah, it's me. Yeah. And that requires you to be
a bit more vulnerable, a lot more vulnerable. And especially in Australia design especially with men I think we still have mega mega issues with what it is to be vulnerable man. I think we're very we still have that football mentality of Yeah, just 24 hours
50 Sports Yeah.
Yeah, well, like that. It's just like a toxic masculinity thing that men aren't allowed to be in touch with that stuff and but also that's the same toxic toxic masculinity that is a part of one punch culture is a part of hurts
us I think that the interesting thing with the with talking about that is it's not just affecting externally leaks. It affects out like in Psalms and what weird, you know, yet but we're doing
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, and affects the potential of you being the
greatest version of
the concert that you're putting on the tour? Yes. So it's around Australia. Is it? what's the what's the plan?
The plan is Sydney on June 8, at the eternity Playhouse, which is in Sydney. Yeah. Obviously, and then up to breezy q back on the 20th to fly everywhere. I just
have a tour. I just think if I can stretch. I can be
a comedian yesterday just like talk about how he was in a you know, I went to New Zealand like Queenstown then into these other guys. It was like the other end of the island. It's the same with Australia. Like if you got a Melbourne you know what the Gold Coast? Yeah, it's fucking I just, yeah,
I'll look if I was doing like, ship and then we're dunga. And then ganda go something like that. Then I would usually know the
go because I heard as well that like if you're part of is it like an opera? You get like virgin we can get that baggage and we can sign up for that
really as filmmakers you can sign up for opera. Yeah,
so virgin Virgin Australia, they like you always see the like artists and stuff in the priority line. And I've heard from muses that if you're part of I think it's opera. You can basically get priority and you get more bags and stuff.
That's cool. Well also got
a local in each city. Okay. Except for my music director who's also piano Michael Jacko. Who's the so here we go from frizzy then we go down. We go down to Melbourne on the 22nd so no one's got two shows the rest of one
and what's the biggest venue?
The Melbourne ones Alex theater is about 500
Yeah. Which is small fry compared to 60,000
and no fireworks No,
definitely no really underwhelmed with this Yeah,
this is like don't even come just
watch this one YouTube but this is like this is a development for you in regards to is just like the first one that you've done solo
yet first solo to tour. I mean, last year was the first album so it's taking some tracks from that and then some tracks that I want to put on to a new one, obviously the original we're talking about and some classics like, time to say goodbye and some Jewett duets with
favorite people from the Jewish community. So
kill the data balaclava.
Rabbi Rubenstein, who I know from the synagogue whose I saying, let's do Nessun Dorma but let's do it to the tune of a don't
do that. I'm sorry, no, sorry, Rabbi Bernstein. Not your gig. This one.
Have a like an opening
act? Or is it? Is it or is it just not? It's just it's just 100 minute concert with a with a little interval. And I think the best way to describe it is but Shelly made smoothly. Cool. So it's very off the cuff. Like there's no Dennis food vibe. I'm pretty sure I'll be barefoot. Remember that? Yeah, I always love to sing barefoot around the house. So it's sort of the vibe is to try and just just welcome you into, you know, my home and sort of, you know, make that classical sound accessible to, to everyone. It's classical music, but it's not a classical show. Yeah, you're not going to the
opera here. I like that. I like the mixing and matching of that sort of stuff. Yeah.
And I mean, they'll they'll be a rock rug on on the stage because a lot of the repertoire is pop and rock song. What's the real frog?
You know? Is it like drums? You know? Like, do they use it to
weather Yeah, yeah, but you know that like Persian rug? They always they always say you know, you know, in a rock or a rock studio. Yeah, yeah, that
sort of vibe. So it needs to need the Persian rug. I know a guy who is actually going legitimately going out of business I know that you hear the rug stuff a lot. Yeah, he's he's got about 17,000 that he has to like an Indian supplier, but they are Persian rugs they're all handmade so if you need a person
to drop the annoying thing is actually transporting
stock like the musicians we might pick up drugs locally.
Scott who's got a rock but if he wants to sponsor the tour
I think he's mainly relying on cash.
The your audience how do you describe your audience?
middle aged women.
There are some middle aged women it's some really young people to a lot of the feedback from the album was from people in their 30s late 20s and 30s who for whatever reason, don't connect fully with like the real classical classical music they won't go and see tour and Donald Tesco the Madame Butterfly, but they they want to connect with it but they needed an avenue in and so
I think gateway drug it's like me listening to Iris or whatever. Most all my other stuff is like it fits. The funny thing is when you hear it, it's sort of it fits in in some way to pop pop music as well. So really, I'm like a bomb and
like smack Yeah, so So yeah, man. You know, everyone wants to do wants to do ability from time to time when you lie It's not gonna it's actually
going to kill you. You definitely need a Persian rug if you don't, as well. Yeah. Yeah,
it's got that vibe. Yeah, so I mean that that's what the feedback was it was it was a lot of people in their in their 30s actually saying that they like exactly what you're saying. I didn't feel like opera but I felt like I got a bit of Yeah, that so that and that's exactly what I feel like I am like, like you said, I'm not like you sort of standard opera. Yeah, guy. I just happen to love singing like that. But I you know, bang it out to informer by snow by salt and pepper.
Are you good? Singing the other way do you think like singing you
know in singing how Charlotte sings? I guess that's interesting. So like like indie pops Yeah, so if you were to sing indie pop so you dropped the there's no accent there's no there's no you're not
you're not a man trapped in a rip guys body I operate.
I think I can do that. Like when you got classical training you can you know what you're doing? voice like technically I'm yeah, I'm quite good at knowing how to manipulate sounds and and all that but I just don't. I think if I spent my time, you know, wanting to do never made it as a wise man couldn't covers apartment ceilings met Nickelback? Yeah.
Not a good song or
a great day. Right?
I don't like the Green Day. Green Day either.
Did you know that the lead singer of Green Day wished that Steve Jobs would die of cancer. He said that on stage on stage. And it was all because of iTunes and how much they got paid from iTunes forever.
So I got off Green Day. For that reason why I liked American Idiot.
What about this? I think what he did was watch episodes of The Simpsons. Take an impersonation of Krusty the clown, and then move it into a vocal style because there's no not much difference between
putting on x like putting on
Well, I reckon a lot of artists did it after. Is it is it Dave Grohl? Yeah,
it was a Foo Fighters
fighters honor Who's he goes back to jam.
I don't know anyway, like, you.
Were her on
the clock that's for that thing
became everyone had to do even Celine Dion was doing it for a while. That was a style. Tell the lyrics like that was there was a star for a long time, which is like if you understand what they're saying they're not doing a good job of singing. Yeah. Like I
wasn't into that any of those styles of singing? Yeah, I didn't want to pursue that. But I think if I did go down that track, you go. It's once again was talking about like, if you go if you go hard work and Nickelback style. Can you can be the next nickel crap. Yeah.
What's the worst piece of advice? You've heard from someone around career? stuff? Oh, I
did get an advice from a scene teacher once. Very, very early on when I was struggling to hit the notes. Because I was technically not proficient which was do what ever you can just get it out.
Just kidding. Yeah,
not no idea. I yeah. And that's one way to get nodules. Yeah.
Do you think they saw you in front of the Sydney Opera House and thought, if I can told him it
was just by the silence just before you did the big night, Jessica? Yeah, that was Yeah.
So that's probably not great advice. What about advice,
in respects to career and not sort of specific to voice but to musical theatre is a career for you?
Anything that's at all people always
say, you know, my least favorite question where you're like, you know, you meet one of your parents friends at a coffee shop or whatever, they always touch you on your wrist, it's always begin to the wrist
quick response. So you can't say you can't move. So you
What are you up to? Yeah,
and then you go up, I like in my head, go to I want to go down the street and I copy Fuck it. I do the on not much at the moment, just, you know, working on working on some things, it all come to the fore soon.
It must be really
big, very sympathetic, very
patronizing and sympathetic at the same time. You just grab them by the elbow was just science must be tough bang, you
walk off. Yeah. Well, I even given that the the sort of whatever that mouth is, yeah. nod.
struggling, like I think there is something in the struggling artists, which sometimes to just apply into that. And people think that that's the life, you know, like, Oh, yeah, yes, stuffs. It's always hard finding work. But you know,
if you are feeling that, then I think it's a problem. I felt a bit of that at a family event of just what we're doing. And as understanding it, and knowing the direction, the vision, and it's, maybe it's a pace in my communication, or I've entered into that. Yeah, we're just doing this like very broad. And then their concern is, I don't understand what they're doing, or the risk they taking. So that's what they end up projecting. So but I don't know if it is,
but if it's like if we can't get caught like the thing is that we we haven't Northstar, we know where we're sort of headed. But we don't know the steps necessarily. So how can we expect those people around us have any concept of those steps? And so part of it is understanding that we know that there's going to be steps there. We don't necessarily know the order. We don't know what it looks like, but we know they're there. And so I guess that's part of it is it's like understanding what's like before you don't wait in it every day, and we have just enough clarity to move forward. They've definitely got no fucking idea. Yeah, but what you want from them, I guess he's like to approach you judgment for
what you see on their faces is riddled with excessive judgment.
Is it based on their inability to live with the life that they want? Like,
I always struggle down? And sometimes I say, Well, no, not much at the moment. But you know, couldn't have it any other way. I'm living my passion. Yeah. And
because it's almost them projecting their thing, which is like, you know, what? I'm going to cafe, like, I would have loved to take out poetry or painting or whatever. But I'm doing x, y, and Zed.
I mean, and so you know, if it's on this deep level that they're not that's the surface thought that's the go to based on their life experience. But I don't know, the narrative thing. Yes. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how much it is members, just some confusion and what you're up to? I mean, what would be the way to do it? I'm killing it. I'm killing it.
Never to way. But I don't think that you need to necessarily, like you don't owe them anything, right, like, and so the part of it is, like, I think, and this is the hard bit of the balance of we create our own narratives. I think we did a great job of creating the narrative of what the lady of the cafe was thinking. Yeah.
But she did do a strong and read wrist touch. Yeah, that always has a backstory.
The thing is, we're all just triggering. Like, we're all triggering each other for different things, right. And so part of it is it's like, even though it's our narrative, and all that sort of thing, there is a bit of that, which is like, if we were to take that in, if we were to take everyone is at face value. It's like, oh, there's a lot of doubt. Like, she's got a lot of doubt for me. Oh, that thing. She doesn't seem very confident where it's like, also, the reality is like, she hasn't done a tour, she hasn't done all this stuff she hasn't done. So how would you she? It's not even from an area of being malicious? She doesn't understand. Yeah. Which is fact it is hard to work out. Because it's like, in that moment, when you hear someone who's saying something that is nice, if you want to fucking correct them and sort of put them in their place and say, Hey, this is actually what it is. But well, I sometimes I want to say that, because it's truth.
Luckily, if I'm working in a long term gig, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm happier than when I'm in creative mode for something that I'm creating myself. Yeah. And, like I just kept, you know, we don't need to go into that conversation at a cafe with a risk touch. But but it's, it's true, like, the, I think the life of startup self creators. Is is complex. Yeah. And those who run in a nine to five system, who've always done that and who've never seen the other side. They sometimes it's just really hard to understand what what that is, and where, what our music is what our joy is, like. They just can't can't get it because they haven't
experienced it. If there's a lot of noise around us. Yeah. And I think if you would, if you were to look back at you 10 years ago, like, if you listen to all that noise, you wouldn't actually make the first step.
And I did. I did a lot. And it's, it's only been in the last sort of chapter of my life where I go, I know exactly what I want to do. I want to I know how I want to do it. Whether or not I'm, I'm good enough at the moment that count is, is up to me to a degree or whether or not I'm liked in the moments that count. It's maybe not up to me to a degree, but at least I have a really good understanding of my path that I want to live out. It's not based on what what's going to please other people, or what other people want me to live out. Absolutely.
Thanks for coming on the show.
The old the old risk touch will have to have it so the winner you in Melbourne, specifically 22nd of June. So how long does that goes? That whole tour? How long is that whole tour period and
a couple of weeks so it's a quick season four shows and hopefully Brisbane and Sydney sell well and we get to put on another show but Melbourne definitely has yet to show so little plug here to Josh Pittman with one t.com and you can get tickets Do you have a lot of people spell your name wrong? Always a wt
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backwards a lot. We should definitely do a funny cat road. Yeah. Yeah,
I'm gonna do Nickelback.
Talk So Josh gentlemen, thanks for coming on the show. We'll see you tomorrow guys say guys.