#689 – Tongues, Lying & The Psychologist/
- April 20, 2020
We chat about Josh’s recent Instagram stories, scams, the VIP Gronk WhatsApp, references and job interviews, lying and psychologists.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Josh’s chores and Instagram stories
– The VIP Gronk WhatsApp
– References and job interviews
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 689. What's happening guys what's going on? Happy Monday. Morning, Shannon.
Thank you, Tommy. I don't know if people who are pre who haven't listened to the pre show rambling would understand the morning channel that don't need to judge that. You have to join us in the live chat. We do it. It's to win get in. Yeah. youtube.com forward slash the daily talk show. And you can turn on the notification bell. So when we go live, you get a push notification.
we've got an exciting announcement.
Number one, we can't have you just the announcements guy yesterday when I was guy. So the chores are going well but I just I think we did a few things up in the air a few and then just just quickly, I'm sorry, just quickly on the chores thing. I am getting a little bit sick and tired of the Instagram stories.
Just unfollow him. It's only he's a cat. It's not
that you don't like being the last May I like you imagine people that
it's a good point. Your fate has been pretty loose in the past Josh like a long time ago, it was pretty low. I've always been the follower. I've also been I've gotten to loose again, am I loose now? It's quite curated, though. Like it was loose screenshots in Phuket. Remember the old used to post? Yeah, someone texted Bray and said that, like one of our friends and said that we have become hipster. We try to get you in Bray have Yeah. I mean, what why would Linda said that as well, when you're walking home the other night with
what do we drink or whatever in the bar? Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. You know what it is? I think it's just a, you know,
late 20s couple that doesn't have kids. They're just living a good life and now it's like people
Want to throw shade? So you have time to walk to a water low and take some selfies on the way out It could have been the Fitzroy element maybe you but this is your place of residence to be honest it's going on in the in the comments is that Georgie boy? Am I meant to know what that means? No because Shannon said morning j Bay and then she said haha know what that means. And you know what that means guys look at and if you don't know you've got to go to chat. Yeah
so I know you're trying to delay this announcement because involves work from your end. So let's we'll talk about the Instagram story stuff a little bit longer. Okay. It's had huge, huge retention rates in regards to people viewing how many views per story I don't like to give out my numbers but let's just say overseas hundred over 600 over six Aylor. Yeah. Wow. That's impressive. Yeah, it's it's I but I think there's a lot more
Page is 800 but well that was that was about create a glitch. I mean, wait, we will wait till tomorrow because it might be a glitch on the content but you know or says saves saves is the Oracle is telling us to rain back content specific ideas the bit that that serves isn't considering his hate following I reckon I've got 90% of my followers or hate followers, just people Faggin, can you believe that guy he doesn't like he thinks he is some top dog because he's making dinner. It's disgusting.
You've done a lot of favours for people. So it is like, I feel like it's when people come into our Friday night drinks. And there's you know, 50 people on there. They're not leaving, they want to leave at some point, but they're not because they're like, if I leave I'm going to be seen to be the person that left you've done too many favours No one's going to unfollow me. I mean, don't get that fact. Have you been pushed the ad where it's like some girl saying that she's got one of those plugins that tell you who's
Following his own following a very a lot of soft porn targeted on our daily talk show Instagram I don't know really main dude so a lot of lot Enix in explore
it's actually in the instead stories like when you flick through getting a lot of people in underwear and stuff I don't know.
I so times if anything remember when I was saying that I was being pushed off and you guys weren't getting it. So what are you looking at? But I'm not I think it's actually I think it's coming from one of you guys because we've done that we worked it out. We worked it out that it's not my device is not like it's my device is the isn't that what dictates like? You What you see on your device in my device is different even in the same account. Can you
want to see if you're in which which sync is that? What's the easiest audio or video out of sync guys? We're trying to work it out and then I can adjust. Clap one more time for me. TJ is
It's hard to town. They said that yesterday I'm being put lightly first. Okay, I'll give them a little bit more of an audio delay. I'm being pushed a bunch of ads on on a like a What is it a winch? Fly for watch horse. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's a deadly torture. Yeah, exactly shit. Yeah. I've been looking up some winches boys, no hay, just on sort of, you know, I think it's like something to do with the timing like, if you're just saying like, there's a lot more people posting shit. posting photos, getting into the old photos, sharing trying to like, sponsor throwbacks sponsoring to get people to start following new pages. I'm surprised people are even still spending money on that shit to be honest. Um, but I'm getting like some you know, heaps of life coaches and stuff. But I got a text this morning. And it was from DHL info. And it says your package has been returned to the sender. You must pay an additional follow 65 year turn of your package. I was thinking Oh shit, hang on. We've got a package on the way is that my FedEx
And then yeah, then I realised that was a FedEx, but it's a complete scam dude. But man, I've done it well, and I'm eager to text over the weekend from the ITR or what seemed like the Oto saying you're eligible for the one off $750 payment. And she signs it, like goes into the link goes to it and it is just, it's my gap like it is identical. It's got even the drop down to show like different banks that you could be with. There is some seriously good scams going at the moment. Be careful. I just got another I got one on Skype. If I click a link on Skype like someone sends me a link. Is there anything that can happen JJ like if it's just some random link? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like would it do something to my computer, even if I just click it?
Because I like to think that like my phone, if I click it on my phone, it's not gonna sit if you know, it's not like a computer, or is that you just want to avoid
All that stuff because the other thing too is sometimes they're just testing to see if there's a there's a person actually opening. So if you open it, they're like, Okay, we've got this active person on Skype. Yeah, and then you could potentially be targeted again. The weird thing is though, this is where it's like they play on coincidences like the DHL thing if you had a package through DHL that was coming, you'd be like, oh shit that I must have to pay. Well, it's also we're different things like on Sunday, we got an AWS post like that never happens on Sunday Sunday was posted a big delivery at our building. Greg said that same thing Saturday here we got a delivery from so why is that happening? I maybe the backlog. Maybe it's snow miles picking up again. But yeah, ridiculous up. Yeah. He so he's the coincidence to the Skype person who sent me the link. Obviously, their account I think has been hacked. But it was it's the guy who I said on yesterday's episode had Coronavirus
So I'm thinking back I've mentioned him on the show. I never said his name and he said these initials. And then I sent it. So this is your mate who's a contact have you on Skype? Who's been compromised, and then they've, they've sent me a link to something. I haven't clicked that one though. I've clicked the other ones on my phone, and I paid for the for dollar 65. So I hope I get my package. I think that will happen a lot. But no, it's good. I mean, it is good with like, Instagram and stuff like they're tracking. It's like when I tried to get Danielle's IP address, I got blocked. So you know, they are working on getting that stuff.
And so so the Insta stories to be clear, I'm going to continue to go hard, because you can't follow your diet. Exactly. And so the thing is that I don't even give a fuck anymore like I used to when I was like going back awake. I look at who was looking at like who was falling off and I created these great now
Dave's around. I'm just not entering into any of it anymore. Like I've had too many
been doing that since I've met you. I'm always amazed you like, yeah, so you even called me once because I didn't say you
follow me on Instagram, though.
That was from last week
doesn t which I heard personal account or the boardroom, not personal. But I will say you guys have to get right D pays to new Great Day paid.
I mean, the problem with my display picture is that I was used to the black and white one which created a bit of a differentiation between the daily talk show and my personal. And so this morning, when I was posting a throwback, I post that first on my personal one. And so I need to like I need to get into a new sort of muscle memory around which account I'm in.
Now I get it. Georgia does the credit and Georgia model
You went with the one from yesterday's up Josh, which was good. Why also got Bri to take a photo of me. And I wanted to I wanted it to have the aesthetic of like a star now, sort of.
That's what I thought, but the photo view at the end, I was gonna comment saying is this your star now?
So the way that you do a standout photo is you need to be lower than the photographer. You need to bring your sort of your body your head forward. And so you're creating a bit of depth. And you just sort of, yeah, it works out what that saying. Is that to show is that is that why Yeah, you want it? Yeah, you sort of like defining my neck a little bit.
And it's just the other thing too. We don't want to go too far. like nah. Well, Jules Lund taught me that you, you bring your tongue to the roof of your mouth, and it just defines you. Like, so without going nuts. So so this is just normal. This is just me just being my usual ugly self and then what
I'm a model
match. Can you do it TJ I want to say one night our normal ugly self tan
model you say yes definitely a slight Georgia not gonna say shit yours is gonna go from model to ice addict with your just give it a go though. No tongue
I got soul tongue
you got a small tiny set like that short tongue syndrome Have you actually no hang on hang on oh wow that is tied to the side go to the side.
Yes he sang he got
out of his mouth It looks like a little smile. Yeah, you've got the time to just get a real fat tongue because I put it together like I was 20
Get together. I heard something what was that it was a news report of a kid. That's so um, swallowed their tongue what's what's the deal with swallowing your tongue? Yeah, you have to have a long tongue God like no.
That's why they put you in recovery position on the side if that's what he does not drink she always every position before I go to bed. So yes, it'd be if you're unconscious and then your tongue blocked your airway.
It'd be weird. Sainz weed when you sort of conscious because it's a muscle that you just sort of stick it down. You're not really you must be passed out something must have gotten patient. This will eat out. Well, I just thought it was it like what does that actually mean? Does that mean that sort of flips
is just blocking the airway? He can't actually Yeah, you're not you're not sweating. Yeah. So you're not swallowing it's just like when you're unconscious or whatever, he can block your airway.
But you know, nicely, you know, choking on I guess you sort of guess you are Yeah.
Yeah, where does the tongue actually start?
no ID I did say someone Um, so underneath your tongue you've got the, the bit that sort of connects it.
I was at a party of the month, last month and someone put a tongue there like, I've got this thing where I've got too much skin so it's attached from like, the tip of the tongue to the bottom of my mouth. Oh, wow. And I can't like I can't put my tongue back. It's it was I hadn't thought about I was like, it's just it was just born like that, like, too much schooling connected. And so I couldn't pull their tongue back or stick it out that far like you George maybe you have the same thing. Can you put your tongue up to the top of your mouth?
clear. You're right. On it's just we're not used to seeing it really saves. Can we sort of say your your tongue, john Sartre. Show me how you work it. Oh my god.
Jim Carrey it's like math I can do that one more time 321 go oh my god
can you can you try to touch touching a cat he's a little he's literally just got the lip lip
so that so the big announcement is in regards to VIP grumps. We've we've done a bad job in regards to communicating with them. And so starting today we are moving to WhatsApp
it's happening yeah look the SMS thing didn't work
that well Oh yeah, this is huge bill because you messaged grace non stop using that. Yeah. Is that what dividends are anything? Not investment
it off as it was, it was slightly Yeah, the SMS company was also that one that was annoying with its customer service and I nearly got someone fired. So yeah, we're moving away from that. And
yeah, Whatsapp is going to be the, the platform to message on and a lot of them will have it anyway. So, but if you don't download it, and will, you've signed up for the VIP gronk so we'll, we'll add you to the list and send your message. It's gonna be big, like we're completely like we're putting a lot of effort into making it right. It's gonna be great. There's gonna be back and forth talking. There's going to be WhatsApp blasts broadcast. Hey guys, we're live right now while I were doing this limited run merge. If you buy it in the next hour, you get something Limited Edition. Free stickers and stuff.
You message right now george will send a pic of his tongue. Yeah. Yeah, we could definitely be like a part of your tongue and you get a mug sent to you.
doing online No, no. I mean, it's it's gonna be on that's verging on like, send us a photo of your fate. Yeah, yeah. And that's not okay.
Well, no, I mean, I don't want to be on a WhatsApp that's just you're saving time well maybe maybe we can start early fans and get people to send us their feet pics and then put them on only fans and then start early magazine cash you know, is like a collage.
No, that's not to tongue pics.
Sure, that's about Yeah, yeah.
Wires crossed again. Now
anyway, so I say that rush. Okay. That's good announcement. Yeah, I think that'll be fun. And so um, yeah, Whatsapp is great cuz I mean, it's we're not gonna have the problem with the SMS is you got like international numbers and stuff and it's annoying to send through photos. But now like
You know, you're able to easily attach like audio or video or photos so if we're doing it's great if you if like Friday night drinks and you want to send us a photo you can just WhatsApp it to us and he
and then we can we can tell people we're going live on the zoom call for Friday night drinks now before and then Polina could be like guys, I don't have the link. And so that was your whole spare. The other thing too that we're going to implement is a better email system. So what will happen is we will give you an email address so it's probably gonna be something like VIP at the deli talks comm we haven't set it up yet but you'll be able to whitelist that email address so it doesn't go into your promotions in saying that we'll also be pushing everything to WhatsApp.
It's good, so you're not gonna miss out on anything. Exactly. It's gonna be huge the merge stuff. I'm excited about short run merge that you can buy will be good.
I watched that.
Cassie cocaine, Casey or whatever it was.
Cassie can can Cassie No, it was on 60 minutes. Yeah, she's she's the Aussie who got done for smuggling cocaine in Colombia?
South America. And she she just needed some cash guys. It's pretty annoying. It's not really annoying. So what's she up to now? Where is she? Well, she she was doing she was doing a sentence. I don't know how long it was for but after three years, so she was meant to do six years after two years. 11 months 21 days she was laid out based on this Coronavirus stuff. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. There's a guy who are six nine talked about in my show before the rapper, he's serving the rest of his sentence in home detention.
For the it's probably only like three or four more months just because of the Coronavirus. Yeah, he's lawyers said, Hey, young Hernandez has has asthma and it's you know,
not compromising and being in jail potentially getting Coronavirus. So now we
have I mean the thing with this
this Cassie person was they accused her of lying a lot she's a bit more higher.
Have you guys ever experienced someone that is actually like an eighth grade? completely nuts flyer? Only? I mean, if you've still got one in your life and you're above the age of 18 just prioritise your friends a bit more
Elia growing up. I mean, of course I lied at points it depends. It's like, what do they say that lying when you young is a sign of
intelligence, but on the sign that I like I definitely don't you Have you not heard that?
Sounds like something I would say.
Children children lying sign of intelligence.
It doesn't make sense to keep dogs as a kid. No.
point is it making sense if you're a toddler or or like you're quite young because you've got to be able to think about stuff and preempt things happening. So yeah, exactly. And so like I'm, I think about it for having birdie and seeing what how, what he does and it's like, it's smart if you can work out that's why I was like, super impressed when he got into our room lock the door, got Netflix going, but he understood that if he locked the door, I couldn't get into stopping watching Netflix. I was like, hats off to kid that's good three, you know, but no, I had a kid that his name is Michael. He's no longer with us. But he lived across the road from me. And he was an absolute compulsive liar. Like so bad. Just taught a logical liar. Yeah, what sort of stuff what he did say?
It was just about everything about our mom's got this or like
Just Just an act like it was he was known as the liar. There wasn't one thing that was always just
lying but like as as I'm older, he was someone who was from pretty hard upbringing. lived in commission flats, his mom had zero dollars. And he had no money and horrible dental hygiene. Like I just feel like looking back on my he got a pretty roller into the deal. And I wonder if that's lying came from a place of pain and understanding of the situation. Like subconsciously not even like I you know, I'm, I'm, I'm a I've got no money or like where we're in poverty, but just like it's a protective mechanism based on trying to escape using lying. That's right, like, yeah, I even remember having like we had a kid that lied so much and was so naughty, that the the teacher actually like called us all in to talk about
A kid and being like, Hey, he's got really rough at home. Well, yeah, this is why he behaves this way. Like, let's all work as a class together, which is a pretty. That's pretty crazy, huh? grasping a live chat says a friend from your right was the biggest lie. We caught her out on so many times, but she's still denied it. Yeah, that's I mean, that's, I think there is a point right? It has to stop at some point. Like that's why I'm telling you if you get past it, when you actually are in your working, you should start to get a bit more real. So what are you lying about where you've been being out? Like as a kid, you know, like, where we closed
down the drains? Yeah, so that's like a different one. That's like a protective mechanism so you don't get in trouble from your parents. That's all I did. I was probably trying to divert someone pretending like they had a past career or you those stories that have completely made up their CV. You speaking of making up your CV, my time
Have my might run them.
In my office, my assistant principal at high school, lied on his CV and said he had a master's and so yeah, so he I don't know he didn't have a Master's so now he worked at masters
Yeah, well so anyway say it everyone everyone found out about it and they they obviously sacked him and then it got plastered all around school that he didn't have a masters and so people like tearing sheets down trying to like hot it all up it was a big cover up like it was in the news. I thought about I thought about lying yesterday. I thought about what I would have lied if a police pulled me over when I was driving. And and I was going to my parents place
and had to get some stuff. That was a lie. Didn't have to get anything. Go over anyway.
But I was like, What if the cops pulled me over? I don't think I'd have a problem in saying
I'm just gonna drop some stuff off to my parents who are you know, in their 70s? Like, is that is that bad like this? Let's I don't even know what the rules are like when I've been going and taking photos. Am I? Like, am I better off having a fight about that? I'm media like I had with Bray the other week. Or am I better off pretending like I'm going for a walk? Yeah, definitely walk your walk yet. Yeah. I mean, the honest honesty. Just say I'm a, you know, I'm a creative I'm sort of jumping around. I'm jumping up. What do you What's the phrase? I'm jumping up. I'm jumping around the walls of jumping. You know, just like I'm possible not to get out and you're like itching to get out. I need to tell you I need to create what already created the story where I was gonna be like, man, I was in lockdown before any of you and now I want my hair like I had like my heart like I was just gonna be disgusted. Alright, Josh, what's the what's the difference in
You're a great storyteller to your own mind. The narrative you spin on something that you don't know is factual, but you can just you know, we all do it right? You say something, you make connections like, you make up the story. Essentially, if that is incorrect, you've lied to yourself. Well, that so it's the it's the author content thing services or what like when I get off, like a show, because I go hard at sibs, who will normally say, that's not exactly how I didn't say those exact words. Or for instance, when I texted like, I gotta be careful about my overexaggeration. So when Trump said over the weekend, he said, like the world was going to end that he could have ended if he wasn't president here. And so I took it we don't know if that's true or not true. It's true not be true. But the thing is that like,
saves loved it and then I started to panic and like, have I over exactly saves was was the story that I told as good as the reality of watching it? Absolutely. Yeah. That was
It was put on us. That was a great. Okay. I was so pumped when you said that. So had to go find it ended up. Well, that's good because I could have. There's been a few times where I've probably been hyperbolic on something and then someone watches it and go well, that's not really what happened wasn't at Bodie. This is a this is a secondhand story from me.
I kind of am glad that I wasn't there to experience this. But Amy picked up Bodie from daycare the other day. And there's another mother that was there. And Bodie said to this woman who is kind of probably, you know, tipping the higher end of the scale. He said to her straight out why you big?
And I was I was just said she fucking like or no. And this, the sweet woman said, because I like cakes and sweets.
And then Jaime jumped in and said, No, that's because we're adults Bodi
The woman owned it but Bodie just come straight out. Right, Amy? Nice replies, great. Well, yeah. Because he said, No, I mean, why is she so fat?
No, I think I think
kids, it's very hard to. I mean, so then what's the conversation afterwards about it? Nothing. I mean, the lady has two kids and you know, probably gets it that there's no filter. It's just spitting truth is just saying what it is spade a spade. So in the comments, Lara says subconsciously, perhaps low level of self esteem could lead to people to lie about things. I had a friend that lied a lot. I think that's why she did it. unknowingly. Grey says yellow era. People want others to like them, slash accept them. So lie about things. I mean, that's the whole catfish thing, right? Because, because the catfish thing you think like, okay, you are spinning this story. But then eventually, like it's all going to come out that you're not the person.
Isn't that you pretending to be? But it's Yeah, it's the thing at the time of thinking I've got this person that I like or that I could potentially
I don't have the self confidence to think that they would want to talk to me talking to Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and then the pain of leaving with a lie like I think if you can't think that these people don't have a conscience like the guy I was talking about Michael, he took his own life probably three years ago. The guy must have been in so much pain like living with not saying just that he there was definitely some mentally ill health happening but living with the the knowledge that everything you're saying is actually a lie. Oh, there was a fucking Kannada that I worked with actually. His name was Ken.
cannons on a piece of it, but it can manage the gym he managed the gym that I was working at. And I knew the owner the owner gave me the job he was the sweetest man ever. And and then he is
Employee this guy can who started managing it but he just talked a big game. And then I went over to his house because he got this car. And I was like fucking I love this. It was like a Datsun a turbocharged, it's old school. I went to his house, and I walked in and I saw shit from the gym there. I was like this, those cushions that were at the back. There's that painting that was like in the storeroom. And I didn't really put two and two together. I just like that's from the gym. He's the manager. Maybe it's just like, Yeah, whatever. Anyway, it turned out he had been absolutely fleecing the shit out of this. He'd been telling members who needed to renew their membership. Sorry, if pastas broken Could you go go down and get cash. He bought a motorbike and he was living this complete lie. He's the fact that bit. We found out that he was in shepparton of all places. This is before I move there. He he was going for another job and put the
The gym as a referral. And this company called the gym and said, Yeah, can you just tell us about Ken? He's like, sorry, who can waste can? Where are you?
Oh my God that he was just he was a compulsive liar. Like as an adult. He was an absolute piece of shit. And he was a con artist. Absolute Kannada. So I guess that's the adult version of a big fat liar. I mean, giving job like references. Has anyone had to give a referral to someone? I did the other day, actually. Really? Did you kind of Yeah, yeah. had to
be a reference for this girl, Shawn, who I used to work with.
And I was so nervous on the phone like the guy actually, I was going for the job, you know? Yeah. And I was she was going, she was going for the job. And I was just like, he was asking me all these questions. I was like, Yeah, she's great. She's a great worker. And then he actually asked me said, you guys, you know, dining or anything. I know
Haven't seen it for like a year
for this, Jesus,
like every every
10 minutes your new dad.
She's great. She's a great worker. That's it. Like what else you want to say it was like a marketing director for a startup tech startup or something. And a bit loose just haven't haven't been the right child dialled in.
And yeah, so anyway, I think she got the job haven't spoken. I tell you, Josh, we've used both of we've used the same person on our on our job applications choose Lando is a great one. I know he's gonna come through the company. Harris medically talk a lot of shit.
Good pump up. Yeah, you got a job out of it. Or at least Yeah.
Okay, yeah, yeah, he gave a good little pump up. Yeah. Josh Janssen doesn't get any better than that?
I mean, it is a wheat. Yeah, I mean, referral.
All my job interviews in general are dumb. Your name George, when was the last time you had a job? job interview?
I actually don't think I've ever had Oh, no, I've had one. Yeah, I've had one job interview.
didn't get it. But the first job
No, no, no, not.
Yeah. The first job interview I ever had was when I was
probably 13. And it was a bakery. And the god the boss at the bakery was standing out in the car park. He was wearing full paintball gear because he just come from paintball.
And he just said, when can stop Matt? I was like, ah, I mean,
when I'm 14 I have to score that. Yeah, yeah, right. Coming whenever then. That's pretty much it. I haven't had one since part one I didn't get that is have you got your jobs though, because you've had, you've got a job. The mode
Yeah. And I get that one that one
that I applied for it. And then I said not, you don't want this job. It's not It's not for you. I really call you back when there's something we'll call you back when it wasn't the job that you were going for. I can't even remember it was like, I was just moving down to Melbourne. And I was just applying for a sheet. And Is that why you write in full stack films?
Absolutely. ethic dog wrapping the barrel? Yeah.
No, it's just some like production rolling like some agency and they said, you don't want this man. But when there's some editing stuff, we'll call you. And then that's a nice thing to happen right to be said it was a you're not right for this role, but we liked you so much. Yeah, exactly. And then that's how they they called me back when the other Edyta got hit back up. Oh, that's right. Yeah.
And where were you that night Joe?
It was actually my best night and I was at the Melbourne Cup.
And I was I couldn't answer the phone because I was tonight. You got a real good story there.
But he took his car to the Melbourne Cup. So we're thinking it was here.
Yeah. TJ, if you had any job interviews, no, I so I, I had one of my I've just been playing with your sink by the way to my nine milliseconds. I think it's actually better now. Oh, good. So, the gym where I worked out, I walked in and handed my resume to the owner. And he pretty much gave me the job on the spot, which was nice. But I think it's because I walked in I was you know, trying to assume confidence and, and connected and shook his hand. Well, is that a sham confidence like you did on the week? video is definitely definitely it's it's it's
confidence that is not necessarily behind behind the, you know, facade of maybe it's the foe enthusiasm, which is like,
you know, we're at Monash for a week, it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, yeah, hundred percent, you need a little bit of that helps you just sort of shake the nerves. If anything. There's a line you don't really too confident, but other than that, I am the radio job. They all the other ones have been.
Because I've had to put in some kind of work that shows that I can that I'm capable for the job. But then I can load it well, but you never know you're getting the job. So you go in and you test with, you know, there was who was there the old mate from Big Brother, the orange hair, long hair. Michael was there. Maddie smiley was there. NAT Harris who we've had on the show, and we're doing a testing where we're just talking about brakes. I think I told the story of how I shot myself on a on a boat. Always good to get you there.
And then they say there's no jobs that will come from this necessarily. But you the specific story. Yeah.
There's no jobs that are coming from this, but you are the people who are looking at if jobs do come up, and then you get an email saying, Are you keen on this, but then you got to go and do more testing and testing, like, to the testing with candy canes actually recorded the testing that candy and I do Katie was on the show recently. So it's, yeah, that's kind of bizarre, but it's the Matt Mullenweg. Your might Josh from from Auckland, for from WordPress, he. He doesn't live in Walkley. But you flew over there to interview him. And he, he has about 1200 people that he employs. It's a What is it a automatic dispersed, dispersed workforce, distributed workforce. It's not remote working because remote implies there's a central location for people to work from.
And you're just not there. And so he calls a distributed. And he said that he hires people sometimes without even meeting them. he hires them over email. So he sees how they write back to him. He gets them in slack. Right, you know, speaking with him in Slack, so is testing, testing them without even meeting that's a fascinating concept like hiring slack the whole time. You might as well make sure they're good at it. Well, yeah, yeah, that's the that is the hard skill. It's the whole they They're digging the hole, right their head with the hole. But I mean, the like, think about moving forward, I was even saying to you, George, we hope that you can be with us for the next eight years on our 10 year journey, but like your Georgie boy, Hump Day replay is the best show reel is the best like piece of content to send to a future employee because he gets to see you. You're funny as shit. You wrote it. You're creative. Yeah. You know, it's like that is the wire right?
I've always gone for like, creating a video that speaks directly to the people that are offering the job and trying to just always do something that some someone else isn't going to do. And most people won't create it. And a lot of people probably create videos now, but it's like, how can you create something? You know, so as in you can when I was young, right, and I was, I feel like to that point, I feel like I remember I applied for the rove work experience. And like rove did work experience or whatever. And so I made a video. And I was so obnoxious as a kid, that I thought that the reason why they didn't pick me was because my production value was too high.
Like I think it
was just seems like it was 2007 I've still got the video. Yeah, it was 17.
But women you do Wait,
saves. Did you do
Work Experience. Yeah, I did work experience at a SEO place.
What's up? So that
sounds like stories from it.
That it was a great, great place, but it's just
focusing on that one thing is pretty, like specialised and it's not not really for me like I do enjoy parts of it, but I don't want to be a specialist in it. So yeah.
I feel like you could be Yeah, I that'd be something interesting going in learning and then sort of moving on. But you actually did you have like a careers counsellor. What did my career's counsellor tell you to do when you were finishing school? never went to one. Really? You gotta want to do that. Like, do you think they're still?
Not? Yes. It's because they get they get a list of what everyone's doing. And so I never had anything to do with the careers counsellor, but when, when I when I got the scholarship, she came up to me and she was like, she was like, You
Graduating me on everything? Yeah, I'm sorry. I've never. I think they've I think they're more for the downers mate. Like, I thought we were a bit sort of restless and you know, not the smartest in the building. Like Sam was saying, if I want if I want to become a career counsellor, I'll speak to them. Otherwise, I think I'll find another option.
Which makes sense. It's like, you want to go to someone that sort of an industry, industry person defeats the purpose of someone having spent a bunch of time becoming a career counsellor. I heard. It's like a, it's a coach, the coach. This is probably the same pushback as the site, but I heard Bri.
Bri tried for the first time having a psychologist
on FaceTime. And so a
lot of them have moved to telehealth to be healthier. How'd she go? Yeah, it was good. I mean, it's we're getting into so small because you can start to you hear bits and pieces but
Sit up a microphone with an XLR Listen, I was facetiming serves at the time home like she just she just needs Eva. Yeah yeah I feel like she almost wants me to hear it yeah but I just She's so funny though like the side like it's fine saying like she would really leans in to hire that person sounds like a real bitch. Like just like doubling down Yeah, it's pretty, pretty outrageous Have you got like a you going back to the site When was the last time you went in TJ I know.
That was a couple weeks ago now. She's going
I think they're doing over the phone. I didn't want I want to do it over the phone. I want the full like I want in person experience. This is the thing about you know this Coronavirus thing.
What do you think about like, the like doctor's appointments, a lot of them could go over the phone for that, especially when they don't have to touch you. They can talk to you or
You know, you can just explain your symptoms if you're just getting, you know, so I agree with that. But I think there are some things that are that you know, are better in person. Why is a psychologist being one of them? When I was walking like from the bedroom to the office I just heard a glimpse of she's like, yeah, yeah, it's lovely. I'm looking out to the beach. Why is this back in sight? Like, how much are we paying to hear the site talk about what she's doing on the weekend? Is this what it is what it's all about? What's the vibe like with your site? Like is it what's the room like? Do you lay down Do you sit up? Now you don't lie down you very comfy chair.
He's chair like, yeah, it was it's a it's like a almost like a king sized one cedar that you could have to be great for a cosy little couple. But it was just me on this big chair. And then she sits in her chair. And then out in the living out in the waiting room, I could hear some, you know, music that she had on which wasn't my choice. You know, I wouldn't ever pick that. It's kind of a
Like, slightly, slightly sad, you know, like slightly operatic like, really something you'd hear on an am station if you do say, hey, Tom, Bodie down.
No, that's the talking. Because a lot of the talking, yeah, you're right. But I don't know, the setting of being somewhere to sort of talk about your feelings. I don't know. I'm not down for that music. I don't know. I prefer zero music, to be honest. But she locked it anyway, I don't even focus on it. But one of the things last time I went, which just is a really sort of visual of, it sort of made me a bit sad, but I I looked down and I sort of been so I was like, the first session was like, 9am. Obviously, she had an empty the bin since the day before. And I saw and there was so many tissues. And I was just like, first of all, I was like, oh, sick. Yeah, like, yeah, like sickness. Yuck. Then I was like, oh, nah, it tissues. It
tes Dude, it's like and then I started feeling like sad about I was like, Man, look at the list. Sad people
might not have been some of might have just had a favour, but I just saw this thing full of tissues anyway, so wasn't the patient's cry or was the therapist crying? No, no, I hit the patient not to cry say it was being held Really? Well, I might she might have. She might have they might have had a breakdown at the end of the day. I could have that would be so common because that'd be such a hard job. Night. Yeah, of course. It's draining. Being a PT was draining just like one on one doing 10 sessions in a day you just feel because you listening to me but I couldn't imagine what it'd be like hearing people's deepest darkest, you know, secrets and sadnesses I would like to be a psych I don't know if I would have the capacity capacity to do the whole client. Well, you got your box, click one of the tick one of the boxes is being a bit fucked up yourself. Isn't that Yeah.
Yeah, but like, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of learning you have to do, right? But yeah telling. That's one reason I would want more friends. Not for the drug not for the actual drama between me and them. But I love being the friend. Like if you're having a fright fight with another friend. I'm happy to be doubled down on them. Yeah, I'm happy just to be Yeah, you're right. Yeah, like this is bullshit. Yeah, I can really lean into it's all their fault. But a lot of my friendships are based on the demise.
It's a bit like you, George, you know what? You throw people under the bus. What were you saying? Oh, yeah. Goes that in the comment. That's just, that's just a call for him. Because Brady was disappointed that I said Well, on your on the on the post, and I said, Hey, I'll happily throw my friends under the bus.
fare. It sounds trite. I'll
I get it? I love that Joyce dusky I thought that your tongue had just gone.
Shannon Shannon said that she's working in tele health and it's very easy Shannon Wallace Shawn. Yeah, always pros and cons, but I can imagine it will change some things and health going forward from now. Yeah. And then Shannon Tilney says that she wants you just to go and experience it for yourself. seeing a therapist. Yeah. Which you can't for a while. So you get a great excuse not to go to a one on one PR like in person, or do you know who follows me on Instagram?
Just don't do biz.
Doc. Hang on, Doc. This is the same as Neil Strauss Elton's pickup artist. Oh, yeah. I know. So what's the person's name? What are they like? What's going on?
I can't remember his name. Justin baby that's it same guy that that does like he's the one that applies
he's not a young one he's Daniel Iman then
maybe he was the coach. Yeah, what a cyclical psychology. I'll look at let's see if we still find the following. You could get boutique boutique and Justin Bieber coach buzz buzz buzz sounds legit handle minigun buzz mingun Ryan and behavioural health and let me check your may be able to know boss maybe his boss board and no no no doctor boss. Let's have a look. Does he follow me still?
Yeah, he felt like he's not bald. No, no, no doctor buzz, Minjun mental health services. Maybe I could. Dr. Buzz as he as you follow it like was he follow you do you think so I followed him in the early days when the baby
taco timeout. Like as soon as I start on YouTube or like he's Jocko from years and years ago, no, no, this is literally just the YouTube one, like, three months ago. So maybe I could just follow them I'm gonna say about as follows as Let's get him on the show. Yeah, because maybe he could give us some some insights. But um, well, I mean, I always there's part of me that could get into this whole this faith thing. And getting all these get a book on some like to Tibetan shit.
What is autism? Yeah, so
the book that I'm listening to at the moment going to bed, it's the Tibetan Yogas of dreams and
yoga is drained and sleep. So I thought that that was actually I just got a actually a book that Matt Mullenweg recommended on Tim Ferriss podcast all about the afterlife. And so like, let's
Maybe Maybe my next rebrand after the chores could be sort of spiritual, you know? A little bit softly spoke wise action george will be getting. I was getting the Jehovah's Witness people coming to my door like recently I came twice back next they came twice like I can about a month apart a couple of months ago. And I was just like talking to them talking to them. Ben didn't say him for about a month got a random letter in the mail. And it was him. He sent me a he sent me a flyer in the mail with a handwritten note saying what is it Coronavirus? I can't come around all that stuff. So he he's the he's the thought maybe we could hire an IP gronk maybe you could have him sitting at George we got a we were getting handwritten stuff in St Kilda. There's, it's big. I mean, they need it. They put in their hours and you get that power to the other side. So they got to work that work the straight way
The hours and so TJ on the site thing are you happy with your site? How would you have you learned anything about like working out the perfect person?
perfect person as even perfect size? Like I just I don't know. I remember when I went to I had a fight with the lady at the hotel remember? There's so there's something about older Germans in their late 50s
women that trigger me so I don't want like a that's a good vibe. It's definitely some kind of like, deep deep into DNA from you know your Dutch Dutch or something. Yeah, he has something I just don't know there's something about it, I get it. I get it. You might have a teacher that you didn't like and it's that kind of person triggers you But think about the people these these people are in a position. It's a lot of effort to become a psychologist. And so if it's, if it's not if they're not for you, if they're not for you, I
I can take what I, I have taken a bunch of stuff that this lady has sort of communicated to me which I hadn't. Actually, like, this is a, this is, this is like, you know, like, anxiety can show itself in control of your environment control of your relationship. And that's, I hadn't thought about like that. So it's like, it doesn't matter who the person that you're going to be open. And so you can be open if you're open to anybody, I'm sure there's stuff that they could tell you or that you know, from listening and sharing with you that resonates. And so that's the difference between a like, What do you reckon the main difference between the book like reading a book about these things, and then having an sort of said to you, I think it's when you're, when you're in your own head,
and, and you're trying to make sense of it all. I think that's the biggest problem we have is like
To smart, we're trying to work all the shit out of ourselves in our own mind. And so there is a time where all of our chatting to somebody trying to yeah communicating your thinking to somebody, and then them asking targeted questions the book, the books only asking the question that's on the page and they're not having a chance to, you know, go off course or say say in a different way so, so then do you feel that the psyche gives you things that then now you're implementing day to day or like you catch yourself? Well, it's like, it's like a form of mindfulness when when you
are aware that you're being controlling in your environment, and then you're like, fuck it, I'm anxious. And that's a realisation. So it's like, they just, they can be strategies or they can just be little, they're like,
I'm thinking about my mom now because I don't really like she said, don't talk about this stuff. But I was like,
Maybe I have something around suicide. Like, I've had a lot of people in my life commit suicide. You know, some people have had none. I've had a handful of people fight five or six close people to me. I'm like, I hadn't thought about that. Maybe I have a thing about suicide, as in like, it's quite like, emotive for me because I had a tear in the session talking about something and I was like, Where the fuck did that come from dude. And I was like, then I had a moment to think about it where I was vulnerable enough to cry in front of this person talking about something which I won't say but I was like factor like that is definitely something that I have not connected the dots to be it's like you get through it. You know, your friend kills himself you like fuck, it's it is hard or whatever. But it's like, when you don't look at it like
yeah, maybe there is a there's a watery of people in my life then doing that. So it's like that makes total sense.
But that was another realisation that I had, I had fucking two sessions, and I had heaps of great stuff that I've since realised. And so that's why it's like, do it, do them late. Does that pressure then leave you? Do you think after you have that moment? I think if you know if you can be
I don't think it's, I don't think it leaves you it just gives you a it's like, what if you
what's the best way of describing it
when you become aware of something you cannot then be aware of it. And so it gives you another perspective or it gives you the chance to be more observational on your state, your natural state. So your natural inclination or your you know, being anxious about stuff. And then it's like it's almost mindfulness. It is a form of mindfulness where you're, you've been equipped with the knowledge about something that you do in your behaviour, natural
Or you know, a patterning? And then you're like, then you have another opportunity to work on that at a different perspective or different levels, if that makes sense. Do you feel that most of your stuff is from when you were younger? Or this or is it? Oh, I think I think I think it I think, you know, I think we're forming
the formative years of your life, you know, up until you're 25. It's when you Brian, for Michael is in its development stage.
parenting style, do you think
changing my parenting style so if you know the impact, do you then worry about the things that the way that you parent will then impact the way buddy Oh, yeah, buddy, stop drinking red lawn. I thought I had to cut him off during the night. But I know I definitely. I mean, this is the thing, the lying thing that I said kids like you think having children make you think about stuff in a different way that you would never bother
Thinking about when you not don't have a kid? It's not right or wrong, but it's just no no need to think about.
It's like the swearing around children. You don't. I haven't given a shit until I had a kid and then I'm like, I think about it more. It's not that I don't swear around in bed. It's like, it makes you gives you another perspective. You know, it's Yeah, but yeah, definitely. It's parenting is tough to
subs Do you feel like like, I feel like you're pretty. Like, you're not what the word is, like, free level. You're a bit like George in some ways. I mean, like, how do you like the the things like I guess part of it with the psychology thing is
what why do people go to a psychologist? I feel like for the most part, it takes friction to get to a point where it's like, Oh, you know what I'm feeling like I need a guy who goes to a PT
Unless they want to change something, right, so serves for someone who seems from the outside pretty neutral or whatever. What How do you view psychologists and mental health?
Yeah, I mean, for me, I feel like I, I mean, I think it'd be beneficial and I'd love to try it. But, like, I,
I sort of have those realisations or, or, or things like that talking to, I don't know, you will, or the people around me like it's, it's usually those conversations where people ask me how I'm going. And then once I've got, once I've said that, it's like I can open up. But sort of like without that initial question asking me where I'm going, then it's like, Yeah, I don't, I don't really want to communicate it. But as soon as that gets opened, then I'm pretty happy to communicate. However,
Feeling all the things that I'm thinking about? And so, I guess getting that feedback from different people, once that questions asked is, is sort of like my version of the psychologist, but is that yeah, I think the book thing though, is that not like is not because I it's, I think he goes what goes back to what I was saying around like the personalization of like it that those questions are going to be more targeted. And I don't get as much out of books as I do. having conversations with people around me like the or decide something about
Yeah, there's something about being in person that I don't know whether it's like
yeah, you're, you're probably able to question yourself a little bit more in the moment or, or be a little bit more truthful because you've got someone there who's waiting for an answer or they've put time into asking the question for you. So you need to
you know, I don't know be truthful, actually explore it a little bit more. Yeah. I recognise
had more Penny drop moments. Then I've had writing books in the last five years. I've read probably one book. No, but I like, to be honest, I have just even just reading Harry Potter, other than other than the meditation content I've been consuming, but I still feel like these these things I, you know, have lightbulb moments listening to meditation content still isn't like embodied. It's not personal. It's might be just like, Ah, that makes so much sense, blah, blah, blah, which is quite easy to get from a book, you're like, yeah, I'm really resonating with this, but how often are they challenging you? Are they specific to you? And, and being in a safe space where somebody is able to be on your side, but also and also, so this the, without specifics on what she said, but it was like I felt this moment in this session where she was
Very much understanding who I am, or how I operate. And the the challenge that I was up against. And it was just the acknowledgement of that, that made me feel like comforted or made me acknowledge the situation even more so which I don't get from a book because there's not that person on the other end saying, Yeah, so I'm what I'm hearing is that reassurance thing, do you think that the psyche is a reference? That that specific point was a level of reassurance but you only connect the reassurance when you understand that it's like, when you observe that she's identified, and she's been listening and and has understood, where I'm coming from, how I am, how I feel like I am and how I think and she's identified these things. And so it was a moment where it was, it was nice, and so that's just one of the bits is not the whole session in itself. It's just a moment where you feel understood
Which It's not that I don't have people around me understanding. But I think to your point says the reason I bring this up is you speak to Josh about your thing. Josh has got his things, he understands you. But it's also the relationship you guys have is a work relationship that's formed. Like it's all of that history, right? It's not a non biassed non, you know, Josh understands you a lot in circuit in specific circumstances. It's not a I don't wanna say not judgement frame but saying it
is out of the like, that's the I think as being a friend being able to switch perspectives potentially, and being like, okay, it's almost like, in some ways a choose your own adventure, which is like, this is this is my perspective from this thing. Or even a question like if you ask a question that is coming from a place of your own bias, or, hey, I'm asking you this question because I think that you should do this, but recognise that I'm only thinking
You should do this because that's how I've done something. Friendship friendships serve and your and what you're talking about save serves, but it's it's not comparable to that of highly trained I'm not the replacement.
Absolutely not absolutely not highly trained psychology. I was to be clear, I'm
just using an example. Because I think we could easily say we've got that friend that we talked to about everything, but it's like there is that unconditional, you know, listening in and love that someone can part with and share with you not saying that's what I had. But yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty special. And I think that's why it's worth trying. It's worth trying. Lara says on the live chat I think self help books are good for surface issues. Perhaps areas you just want to improve but our minds are powerful and complicated and you need an expert to help navigate it. It makes sense, George, what's your perspective on this stuff?
I mean, I've never been to a psychologist outside to me.
But I think my pretty much my whole family has. But my, um, I mean, I'm the boss that
my stepdad was a psych for 25 years. Wow, really? Lots. Yeah. So just like he ever puts on a psych hat like dude psychologists.
Yeah, sure. He doesn't like talking about it much like, you know, he doesn't want people to really know that about him in case they sort of judge him
you know, when they made him or whatever. But, um, so I've sort of come from like, two different father figure families, I guess. One who is a psych very open and, and you know, a psychologist and the other one who's probably more closed and doesn't talk about his feelings much
So for me this year it's been about
it bringing those conversations forward with friends and and colleagues and partner and all that sort of thing. And it's been awesome so I want to do more of it Arkansas yeah Eric now the enjoy a psychologist session
there's something like articulating a effort. This is probably the one time we're saying George fired up.
Fired up. To be honest, this is not your traditional fired up, but he seems fired up.
Yeah, there is. There's something like being able to
like as like just on that books versus like actually talking to someone. It's the whole like,
writing is thinking or speaking is thinking, being able to actually articulate what you're, what you're saying sort of.
It helps you understand what you're feeling and puts thoughts together.
So I think that's that's that's probably one reason why I prefer talking to people over just books. Yeah and then we can call they can also be the one to call bullshit on the crap were spinning in our own head because that's the reality to reform these absolute wild narratives for our own mind which we all do it it's Do you think like part of it like for me it's been
like my the trying not to think too much like like I feel like my life has been thinking that I need to improve like self that like if you think about how obsessed I am outside of the psychic stuff, like in regards to everything being nonfiction feeling like I need to improve going from diet to diet. Like for me. I feel like my benchmark has always been I need to improve I'm not good enough yet. I need to keep going. I wonder if there's also the other option which is removing all of them.
The the judgement from the what what we do how we do things like for me those moments of being able to be like, you know what today like, I am going to do this thing or I'm going to do absolutely nothing or I'm not going to
you know finish this piece of work but I'm also not going to be guilty. Yeah, I think there's a far satisfaction to
you know that someone who identifies as a personal help junkie which I've definitely like, go to a bookstore I love like the you know, the real shit. I don't like the fake stuff. You know, you're like that Josh, and I and I, you know, by the book in the past, I've felt like, the satisfaction before I've done any fucking work and I think there's a big group of people that fall into that camp of, they don't do the work, they buy the book and they feel like they've done part of it. But Josh, what you just laid out there is the ultimate to go to a therapist or psychologist and say, This is what I want to work on. Like that is I didn't have that.
Strong fucking thing that I presented to the person I just said, when it was I almost feel like it's hard is because I've got all these hypotheses around what I think it is. You have a one pick one that wasn't out. Yeah. Because I think part of it is like, like there's a million different narratives, which, because like i think that that's like part of it is like we are we're not single dimensional. Like we're not one dimension. And so I do wonder about like, if someone gets me on one day, they might be like, oh, that guy's very serious or he's got the or like, if they see me within the context of getting work done, and being focused, they might get one version of me, but then they might hear me doing dick jokes and having that side of it and so I just wonder how I can possibly because I feel like part of it is this anxiety around I need to give them context.
Yeah, you do that, like you just got your thought too hard about that in itself. It literally if you went with one though, like one thing, they're going to talk to you. This is where we don't.
If we could, if you can say you have faith that we have the answers inside, but right now we might not have the answer. And so then this person can guide and ask questions that can help you discover an internal answer. And so what are we seeking when we go when we do any of this stuff even read pick up a book, what are we trying to do?
Some sort of peace, like it's stillness, like I think
meditation, mindfulness, there's a, there's a deep yearning for
less pain and pattern like pains quite a triggering word doesn't mean you know you banging elbow or your
Extreme mental ill health, it could just be the, the waterfall of thoughts that just consume you for a day. And so it's, you know, finding that and that's why people find things like
activities that get you into a flow state that feel like you've disconnected from that over thinker and attached to something very specific. And suddenly he can just sort of makes you feel like, there's, there's, you know, narrow and then there's not much, you know, there's not a whole bunch of other stuff, it's like, removes you from what is the mind and that is the thing, like, most of us are struggling, most of us are having too many thoughts. You know, not that there's gonna be less but it's just, we're just we're just swimming in this world of thought and, you know, can be in can lead to pain, not always. But I mean, that's the fucked up thing, right. So like, whenever you had more than two days
have just bliss. It's like, even when you are working on yourself, you still slip back into it. And so it is just a constant, constant battle. I think that's a bit negative. It's a constant prog, you know, constant work in progress. And so George when from not having those conversations versus going into the conversations, what does it on the other side? What's the difference personally?
It's a it's, I always think back to what you know what Ron was saying, the 500 party? No, not five Ryan's your guru right. bridal show. Lady Brian's in Yeah, the lady right. Yeah.
He said, it's what you know, you go into these conversations, thinking they're gonna be really bad and then they come out and the other person isn't gonna be isn't gonna react the way you think you're building up this story in your mind and all that
So I think having those conversations once you get the ball rolling like says once a once it starts happening, and you can just keep going, keep going, keep going. And just trying not to, I guess, hold anything back because now now that you're in just just you don't want to finish the conversation and two days later be like, I was gonna say that be productive just
decided not to. Why do you think we don't say
that? No, maybe because the conversation is going well, and you don't ruin it with an extra extra bit or something? I don't know.
But with the psychology stuff, like also, I remember him saying this on on his podcast. It's it's the days where you feeling great, you've woken up, had a walk, gone, had a coffee, you go, go, I'm gonna go into this session. I've got nothing to say I'm having a great day. Everything's good. And those are the ones that are the best ones. That's
he reckons so. Yeah, well, because it's then uncovering the stuff like it's not the first thought then it's the second or the third or the stuff that's actually that little bit more layered.
Yeah, I don't know what it that's, that's that's the answer Josh for you, right. It's like one going with one thing doesn't mean that if you're not fixed to the idea that you need to fix this thing, it could be you know, it's not something from childhood. Oh, no, fuck, who knows? Yeah, I don't know. Like, it's so funny how I really think that the part of the pushback maybes like when growing up and being told, it's like, that was almost the threat growing up is like when I was misbehaving. It's like, we're gonna go take a psych, you're gonna get on ADHD trot like you're done. And so I think that potentially that was like, Yeah, totally. That was the if that was the threat growing up, around like, we're gonna get you met it up because you're misbehaving too much. Like I did. Yeah, cuz I don't understand.
And the pushback. I feel like for someone who said, because I'm a people pleaser, sort of annoying, because it's like everyone says, Go to the psych. That's just that, but I'm also a bit of pushback. And so I feel like part of me, it's like, I want to do it on my terms. But I didn't know. I was doing another announcement that you're the site guy now.
to Matt, like, can you have
a podcast? It was a pod. Maybe if I get a psych that would be good. Do it. Maybe Justin Davis.
Just do it. Yeah, I mean, Buzz went to just a big launch party for he's, so he's into the rah rah, which I appreciate. Yeah, especially younger.
As much as I push back on my mom saying don't talk about your experience at the psychologist which i think you know, I think I'm
I think over the years I've
Worked out what I want to share and what I don't and have you know having that filter there I think you'll gravitate to Josh
it's a it is a personal experience like you know I'm not telling you specific details about the stuff but because it's not needed but it's your it is a part of the healing all part of the process is it's all about you Josh. It's like you don't want that fucking Yeah. Which I think is I think childhood on it's, it's this weird thing I think of
I don't know, but the site like I'm not going to compare it to retail shops, but I hate
I hate going into a shop and having someone like, specifically focus on what about try this or that or it's like, you know, maybe there is something like this is performative, like there is a performative nature or it is something that it feels like, the purpose of this is to make other people feel good, whereas, potentially the idea of
Doing you have to know
what you've just talked about there is pushing back on feeling uncomfortable because that's what it's gonna make you feel and that's okay it's annoying shit that helps us is uncomfortable you know hard conversations tough things exercise that's hard you know it's all just comes with such benefit on the other side but to say that you enjoy in the midst of something super uncomfortable yeah is is a bit crazy because I think what anyone who's describing yeah I love the pain is actually talking about the on the other side of the pain is like this euphoria right? I don't necessarily think people that into pain
it's it's the it's the knowledge of pain equals something that is pleasurable, you know, pace or you know, wonder what it's like like, I think about Sykes I'm like to the luck it's it feels like a lot
What uh, I wonder if you think about third world countries or you think people that aren't necessarily as well off or you think about people that are, you know, like, have nothing but they're happy. I wonder about like
the we've almost like a modern society has created
this like industry or this thing that we we need need to do. Have you thought about any of that sort of stuff? Yeah, well, this can't remember ago she has a podcast called the happiness lab. And she, she works at Yale and as a lecturer and she was talking about the fact that bit is that people with privilege are usually the ones that are
feeling like they haven't gotten anything all the they're in pain. I can't remember how she put it but it was really good point. It's like pointing to the fact
Just because you achieve stuff or have things or have been given shit isn't isn't happiness doesn't equate to happiness and to sign the research is saying that they're the ones that have usually got a lot of problems. Which, which? Yeah. And so it doesn't quite speak to what you said. We just hear about lots of likes. So if you think about celebrities or you think about Hollywood, you've got people who
have access to the best doctors, the best sites, the best everything.
And there's still a lot of fucked up stuff that goes on. And so, like, I just find it interesting. Like it's definitely not sort of dis discrediting the value of it, but I also just think that there's
Yeah, I just I wonder about the industry so like, maybe I'm like overly sceptical of the whole the fact that why
is it so expensive to go to see OSI? Why Why does Why does the site have
you know, a beach house and all of that sort of stuff like what's, why do we Why do we put so much in that? I guess, like, you could say education or whatever. But there's a lot of people who are in essential service, whatever teachers have. Yes. And so like, I just, I just wonder about, like, that's where I go into, I know that that's not productive. But I do go into that sort of sceptical thing of like, oh, like, this is a, this is an hourly, you know, 200 bucks an hour thing or whatever it is.
Yeah, I said that to the, I said to the psychologist,
I, because it was like, What 100 and 160 bucks a session or something. And then you get like, you know, majority of that cost me about 60 bucks for the session, I think. But I said, you know, I've got no money and I'm saying what the fuck to people who have no money, what do they do? And they're probably the ones that are in
A lot of pain as well. It's not a, it's not just people who can afford this. The only ones that have any problems to fix, like, health is probably, you know, severe unhappiness and, you know, pain going on and people that don't have the capacity to even go through the process to get this kind of help. And she says, Yeah, I know. But I mean, yeah, I think that's where it's
that I think it's everyone I think is, but I think, like, do you think it is for everyone? Do you think it's a universal thing? That will be the closest thing to be universal based on we all have a mind. We all have thoughts. We all experience in process pain, happiness, all these emotions, and we're not equipped necessarily with the skill to
With a sheet that is handed to us, or that we create, and so that's where it is. And that's like, is meditation for everyone? Maybe not. Mindfulness as a concept is, I think, universal in that. We all have a mind. And it's how do we how do we perceive what we're experiencing? And can we be observant on that and I think that is a quality that
can be universal. It's not to say that you need to practice it very every day. But I think there is astounding benefits in being more observant and, and, and sort of pulled back from your state to observe it.
So yeah, you like about it because I think it is like it is one of those things where it is personal and probably you're talking about benefits everyone else more than benefits you so thank you for talking about it. Howard. Thank you. Awesome. All right. It's a daily talk show anything else George means you can say something. No
Yeah, nice. And
the VIP gronk it's happening get WhatsApp installed. We're working on it now. We're not doing a theme are we for for Friday? Not this Friday the following Friday, I'm sure. Yeah. Oh, guys, sorry. I've Um, I've actually given Campbell the official role of Friday night drinks promo vid guy. Are you happy with that? Right? Yeah. Does he have
Yeah. Steve Manny's dream award. Yeah, he's got a lot of power and so he's been drinking for days after I told him it's been a lot to be honest. Well, we're getting into the brace already looked up upper upper all spirits. We're going to be doing a yet. She's telling me about that. You're gonna join that service. You're gonna do the afro.
Yeah, I just have I gotta go down to the shop and get some. Well, you gotta walk.
Yeah, that's an admission.
What I like about Apple is that it's cheap. I don't think it's it's not like a it's not 50 bucks a bottle like tequila. What is it? How much is it? Let me just 35 for the Pac Man that's cheap as chips compared to how much did you pay for your tequila Georgie boy
55 or something? I feel is not very strong though so you will probably want to get two bottles
when you've got up
and and it's it's also Monday guys we've still got nine shows to do but
I do wonder about the alcohol thing I'm sure we'll dial it in eventually. Well, I don't think I think aperol is going to be a bit of a game changer for you. I don't think it will be like what happened the other day when I fell asleep in
Venice on it brain I had cheap I think it was three euro app rolls. And this is when we just started drinking and we went into a pizza and
So I had to sit I was like, Let's sit down because I'm feeling a little bit funny. And then we like closed our eyes for a bit. It's good fun. Yeah, but I mean that's very European experience like sense sounds magical to be honest. Yeah, I was wrong. Venice. Yeah. It's beautiful. Andre says that she loves apples. Shannon says Absolutely not. They can get in the
saw that Yeah, you need you need to also get Prosecco as well, instead of water to make the space. And so you get an 8%. Wednesday.
Oh, yeah. Get the pack. Yeah.
Yeah. Know what the pack is. Now well, I don't know. It's
braided. So you have to buy per second. Like that. Yeah, that's, that'd be nice. Oh, why did they say, hey, should we just put three to 4pm episodes?
There. Otherwise we'll see you in like two and a half, three and a half out? What do we want to just very quickly, what do we want to do for Episode 700? It's what's happening very soon.
Now I think it's actually I think it's not the coming Friday, but the following Friday actually be less than 11 days because we
Sunday, we see what's at nine. But so is it a? No, because maybe I didn't do too.
automated stuff. Right. Hang on. We can we can take this off. I think it's Sunday. Yeah, we'll take this offline. But yeah, good to start learning about it.
Sunday sesh. Can
you say boring day?
Yeah. Sunday Sunday for 700.
You can make it entertaining. Yeah, we can make it fun. It'd be nice to do something. I could be wrong after lunch.
It's 11 days. Yeah, I can barely talk show. See you in
three hours and 30 minutes.