No Cash

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 325.

Tommy: Don't ever do that again. You sound like an absolute pest. You sound like a creepy old man who has invited a child over for candy.

Josh: Oh, you're a bit too loud. I'm turning you down. I'm too loud? Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, it's Monday, everyone.

Tommy: Had a bit too much coffee, I think.

Josh: For you, it's a bit of a, it's a bit of a late one. Bree had a car accident on the weekend.

Tommy: Oh geez, that's, that's over-dramatized the whole situation.

Josh: Well, she called me and said, I've hit a car.

Tommy: Yeah, and she, uh, it's a phone call you don't ever want to receive in, like, regardless if someone's hurt, it's fucked. But also just the fact that you have to pay the premium and no one was injured and it was just a little ding.

Josh: Bree was like, I got brownie points.

Mason: Why?

Josh: Because I said to her, I was like, are you— the first thing I said was, are you okay?

Tommy: Yeah, well, that's a nice thing that you should say. Yeah, I think I'd say that.

Josh: But could you imagine if you're rattled or something happened and you heard them? I think it was good. I think absolutely that was the one thing I'm like, are you okay? Yeah, but I think that I was pretty— she later said, she said, I liked that that was the first thing you asked.

Tommy: It's a nice thing. I mean, it's either telling, because you— the old Josh would have done something different, you reckon?

Josh: Like, oh no, no. I think that maybe like you can fall into the mode of being like annoyed, but I was like, yeah, I was actually— for me, when those things happen, yeah, it's like when I pulled out the, um, electricity when we're doing a show a few weeks ago. And what did you say?

Tommy: I'm glad it wasn't me. Which I wouldn't say that if it was my wife calling me, because everything that happens to her is a affects me just as much.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I mean, we had to do a whole new show again, but it sort of doesn't though, in the sense of like when it—

Josh: when you think about—

Tommy: no, Mason was actually in agreeance with me. Yeah, he like— this is the thing, when it comes to tech stuff, it's— there's a— there's the person that is obsessed with the tech and prides themselves on it fucks the tech thing. It's like, oh, thank God. I, I'm actually— I was more okay with you ruining the whole episode based on how much it affects you. And so I didn't care about it because I knew you'd beat yourself up over it.

Josh: So I was like, I wasn't beating myself up. So maybe I've got it wrong. Maybe I should have been beating myself up more. But I was like, oh, this thing is happening, it happens.

Tommy: I, I've been always so optimistic in my life where something bad's happened and I immediately go to the reason why it will be okay, or like that. I actually sometimes have I think I've seen in my life that that has been a not so great trait. It sounds like it's a real awesome trait. Bad stuff happens, you think the best in the situation, but there's also the level of accepting what's happened.

Josh: Yeah, I noticed that you were on the Poser podcast and Kel specifically talked about that. He said that you frame things in a positive—

Tommy: like, he said I had rose-colored glasses.

Josh: Were you reflecting on that? Because he knows you pretty well.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I like to assume the best in most circumstances, or think that, yeah, this is— something happens to you, you lose your job, what other option do we have? You can wallow in the, in the pain of it, which I, I think it's like grieving and things. There's a reality of actually going through a process like that. But for our own lives, maybe there is, you know, you lose your job, cry for an hour.

Josh: We're saying the best, maybe it's the seeing the best in situations.

Tommy: Yeah, so I think I've done that, but I think Kel's point on that podcast is that— I think he pointed out what I've realised is that sometimes I'm actually overly optimistic about bad things. So I'm just, I'm learning.

Josh: I'm more negative, I think.

Tommy: Negative on bad stuff happening?

Josh: Yeah, or just on things that could be neutral. Yeah, I'll normally think of the worst case. Yeah, Mr. 97 with dating, whatever happens, he's always optimistic. Oh yeah, it means nothing or whatever. And I'm like, no, this is bad. Yeah, this is very, very bad.

Tommy: I'm just glad you didn't have to be a part of the dating scene. Yeah, because you didn't. You just— you passed Shruti and then you bloody went out. You know why I remember Shruti? Because, uh, my son's daycare teacher is Shruti.

Josh: Shruti and I actually never kissed.

Tommy: You never kissed Shruti?

Josh: No, Shruti kissed Lachlan.

Tommy: You kissed her bloody— her dad's, um, Uh, papadam, because he had one of the best Indian restaurants in Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely, he did.

Tommy: Yeah, he was around one of those papadams.

Josh: He was there. He was the head chef of, uh, what was it, the Curry Club.

Tommy: Is it still there?

Josh: Uh, no, I think, uh, it might be.

Tommy: If it is, we should do a Fat Fridays dedicated to the young love of Shruti and Josh James.

Josh: I don't know if that's— yeah, the accent sounds right.

Tommy: Well, The way you spell shruti, shruti, like if you're a bogan Aussie, if you just say S-H-R-U-T-I.

Josh: Yeah, shruti.

Tommy: Hey, love, shruti.

Josh: Yeah, that's how I say it. No, that's—

Tommy: just roll the tongue or something.

Josh: I don't know if that rolling the tongue is the legitimate thing, but I actually had, um, uh, Indian, uh, on the weekend.

Tommy: God, food chat Monday. But I was struggling.

Josh: No, I was very excited because weekend No, actually, before I get to the Indian thing, that's a tease.

Tommy: Was that the main thing? We've got to get— we're going before that now. Yeah, yeah, don't set that— have that as a little transition.

Josh: What I was going to say is, um, with the car, the car is all scratched up at the front or whatever, but Bree's fine.

Tommy: Was it bad? Like, did you, uh, you saw it, you're like, nah, it wasn't.

Josh: I've only seen a photo. I haven't sort of gone down and checked it out, but it was, um, not as bad as what Bree was saying. $650 excess.

Tommy: I've got a panel bit. Oh no, it's—

Josh: you have to go through, like, apparently our insurance, you have to go through specifically. Yeah, there's specific panels, those ones.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: But they, um, Bree was happy because they're going to probably replace the whole front bit, and I'd scratched the other side.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so she turned that around into somehow bringing my scratch into it.

Tommy: Perfect.

Josh: So I don't know how that happened, but she said to shut your mouth. The way she did it was she was reversing out of a car spot and just clipped a car and she was gonna happen. Literally the reason why she was parked, she was going into a BP service station to get a kombucha. Expensive kombucha.

Tommy: Always what happens, going in for a butch.

Josh: Yeah, and that's the same shit and you have a crash. But anyway, we had Indian and, uh, yeah, uh, it's, uh, the place is called Punjab and it's on, um, yeah, uh, Johnston Street here in Collingwood. And I was very proud because for the very first time— we've never done this in Australia— but they, uh, we didn't finish our food. I'm always trying to stuff everything. I'm like, I need to eat everything. I was like, you know what, I can't eat the whole thing. And then we asked for takeaway containers.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: And we put them in the takeaway containers and we took them home and then we had for dinner the next night.

Tommy: Unbelievable podcasting here at the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: That was Tommy pressing that button.

Tommy: No, Josh actually slapped himself there. If you're just listening, are you— have you—

Josh: the doggy bag thing, I thought it was actually illegal.

Tommy: It's not illegal at all. We've done this on the show. We worked out the doggy bag situation.

Josh: Yeah, so it turns out if you, if you are licenced to take away, yeah, people can specifically— they— that you have to pre— you have to do it yourself. They can't take it back and do it. So there is a little— if you can get past— you know why?

Tommy: It's because Gronks would take home Indian from Punjab and just 3 weeks later, oh, I need a fucking bit of food, and they'd open up a chicken and they'd eat some butter chicken and they would shit their pants instantly and blame it on Punjab. Yeah, and blame it on Punjab, and then they'd be sued.

Josh: Do you, uh, Mr. 97, I feel like you'd be the type to take away—

Tommy: Mr. 97's the type not to go out for dinner.

Josh: He did the— he went to a brunch place.

Tommy: Yeah, with his family. They probably paid.

Josh: Yeah, they did.

Tommy: Yeah, so that's— I know, I know the 19-year-old type. 18, 18, 19, 19. Happy birthday.

Mason: Yeah, last year. Um, yeah, no, we do, we do. I mean, there's not usually like— the portions aren't big enough at restaurants unless— I mean, yeah, I mean, occasionally we will, but if there is leftovers, and instead of just giving them back, we'll just box them up.

Tommy: It's the type of restaurant too, guys.

Josh: It was an interesting one because this was a set menu. Which feels like it's riskier doing that.

Tommy: You've just got social anxiety around absolutely everything in life and this is one of them. 'Cause you can just take home, if you've ordered it and you've bought a shitload of food, you're deserving of being able to take that away.

Josh: But have you ever done it? I'm actually thinking it could be a thing where we start going to this Indian place all the time and getting like two, like actually being clever about it, not being too greedy, only having half. Because the problem is that I still had too much rice on the day. I didn't allow enough for Sunday.

Tommy: There is— these are hacks that you need to work out.

Josh: You were—

Tommy: you and, you and Bree are a fam, you know, no kids. You can hack the shit out of restaurants. One meal, take it away, and you're done.

Josh: Did you do that when you were in Europe when you were honeymooning? Do you share meals?

Tommy: Yeah, but I've been sharing meals for so long. I was blown away when we went out for dinner couples. We did a couple thing and I stupidly just followed your lead and Amy got a main, I got a main, and I was just so sick. And you and Bri got mains. And I— this was at, um, Canteen, Mexican Canteen.

Josh: I don't even remember that.

Tommy: Yeah, I was just— I think is you prime yourself to only— like, my stomach is a certain size and I think it's best.

Josh: You think he's saying that we have bigger stomachs?

Tommy: I reckon, I reckon. It's like, um, Hulk smash food, stretches his tummy out with a bit of water.

Josh: I think The criticism Amy would have of you, if she had any at all, which I'm sure she doesn't.

Tommy: She's got no criticism.

Josh: But if she did, it would be maybe that you are a bit of a leech.

Tommy: I eat what she has, yeah. But what I'm saying is, if you just get in a pattern with your partner of being a leech, one big main and maybe getting an entrée to share.

Josh: But do you think Amy sometimes wants her own meal?

Tommy: She eats much less than I do.

Josh: But that doesn't answer the question.

Tommy: Why? No, she doesn't want to. Like, this is the thing we've thought about. If we have money, you'd end up wasting so much food on the plate.

Josh: But do you— are there moments where—

Tommy: yes, I'd eat chaufeur.

Josh: But do you think Amy would be like, hey, I've got mine? Because there is, I guess, there's a level some where you want some level of independence and sometimes a meal.

Tommy: I think, uh, Mr. 97, this is what you'll deal with in the first, uh, you know, dating scene that you're on. Yeah, going out for dinner, you're not going to order one main dish to share. It's like you end up always going— the amount of dates I've been on where the girl's just sort of like nibbling, she's got so much left. It, it just happens.

Josh: Which I don't think— I think it depends on the type of person. Like, I guess I'm seeking someone who can out-eat you. Not out-eat me, but can hold themselves, you know.

Tommy: I mean, I've been in hard situations where I've dated a girl who could eat, and it was always— and I've— what I've always loved is She wants someone who can leave a little bit left, a little bit there, and I'll just swoop in.

Josh: Well, Bree's quite good at, like, say this morning we had, uh, avocado on toast.

Tommy: We are strapped for content.

Josh: And the, um, no, the— when you say that, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. People think it's bad.

Tommy: No, when you start with, um, the main talking point being how you did takeaway at an Indian restaurant, that's the telltale sign.

Josh: Yeah, it was great. It was really— I actually, I have photos I can put I should have followed up on Instagram.

Tommy: Oh my God. And that's— there's the other telltale sign.

Mason: Don't worry about that.

Josh: We'll be right. Just one question. Well, so on the avo thing, I said to Bree, which one's mine? She goes, the one with more avocado on it. So she tends to always give me a little bit more. Yeah. Question though, in regards to when filling up the Indian, would you mix curries into the single classic thing to save?

Tommy: That's a personal question, mate. That's very personal.

Josh: What do you reckon? Like, I feel like Mr. 97 would be—

Mason: Throw it all in there.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm gonna throw it all in there, guy.

Mason: Rice, curries, all in the same thing.

Josh: 5 plastic things. We had a whole big container specifically for the yogurt.

Tommy: All right, you monster, taking apart the ocean. Yeah, um, no, did you watch that?

Josh: Did you watch the 60 Minutes thing?

Tommy: I don't have a television.

Josh: 60 Minutes last night did a whole thing. It's fucked up how the Australian sort of rubbish industry, or whatever you want to call it, recycling. Yeah, they're shipping it away.

Tommy: They've been doing that for a long time, right?

Josh: Yeah, but now there's an issue with Malaysia. So illegal setups in Malaysia are buying— sorry, are getting money for the Australian rubbish and then they're just burning it or doing really dodgy shit.

Tommy: Okay, okay, so Australia are paying them to take our shit and they're just setting up big sites. That's horrible. One thing that happened, like, I haven't had this many times in the past year or so, is the struggle of not being able to pay on my card. I feel like it's becoming more common now to be able to, even if there's the limits and stuff. There's more places with no limit and card facilities than there is less. There's a souvlaki place in St Kilda. The owner's just gone to jail for creating some— I think he was allegedly doing drug dealing or something like that with cryptocurrency and shit. That's what the newspapers say. But I went in there because I was surprised that it was still actually open.

Josh: You love the drama, don't you?

Tommy: Well, no, no, I've talked about this guy on the podcast before and I was always just a bit off about it all. That's probably why I mentioned it. Anyway, I was surprised that his souvlaki shop's still open, right? And so I had some friends that were coming over and we were going to do a picnic and I was like, let's do souvlakis in the park. So we get all the pita, we get all the tzatziki and the cucumber.

Josh: And what are you— not from the shop? No, no, no, literally just getting the meat from them.

Tommy: Yeah, and so we'll go— so I'll just go and buy the meat from the souvlaki shop.

Josh: Can you get a good deal on just the meat on its own?

Tommy: It's actually pretty expensive. And so I went in there, it works out to be about $20, $22 for— to be able to feed 5 people, which is not bad. And it was nice, we wanted to do a nice thing.

Mason: I could do it just for me or just for the meat.

Josh: Okay, yeah, that's too much, don't you think?

Tommy: That's okay, 5 people, you get 300 grammes each.

Josh: And wait, 300 all up?

Tommy: No, no, 300 grammes in total. It's like a little tub, so you're getting a nice tub.

Mason: It's quite expensive.

Tommy: 300 grammes is fucking— yeah, you you think this is the fucking most annoying thing? No, the most annoying thing was I walked with my son for 10 minutes to go to this place. It's hot, and Bodhi's— he's now in a period of his life where he's just speaking. It's like he's had some switch turned or he's downloaded a new programme in the Matrix, and he's just non-stop speaking.

Josh: Every time we spoke to you on the phone over the weekend, he's, hi Josh and Bree, yeah, hi, bye, bye, bye, bye, Josh and Bree.

Tommy: Yeah, every time, non-stop, mommy, Mummy, mummy, daddy, just nonstop. It's crazy. I don't know, I think he's just— babies have milestones and it's like it just happens overnight.

Josh: He ticked every dicky milestone before he starts to speak.

Tommy: He was masturbating before he could walk.

Josh: It's the jacket trait.

Tommy: If you're watching this, Bodie, and it's 10 years from now, I love you. But you did. No, so Bodie and I walked to this souvlaki joint I get in there.

Josh: Does he walk now? Is that a dumb question?

Tommy: No, I was, I was walking the pram. He's lazy. He's too, he's too annoying to walk. He does, but then he's like, "Uppy, uppy, uppy, uppy." It's a bit like you. So I have to pick him up, pick up the big baby. Anyway, so we get into this souvlaki shop and I look over and this guy who, you know, owned this place had a cryptocurrency ATM machine. I look over and it was one of the saddest moments. It's just out of order. Yeah, because his business has gone under based on his criminal activity. Anyway, I then order it. She's like, yeah, it's $22. And I look down and no, um, cash only. It just made me so furious though. I was like, it built into my mind this bit, you know, this, this owner has gone, you know, and done something bad.

Josh: Well, I did think it's like All of his bank accounts are probably being closed.

Tommy: Exactly, so you can only take cash and this premises needs to still operate. So I had to— I never carry cash. I haven't had cash. We had some money. This is so annoying because we got into Bodhi's piggy bank. He's got—

Josh: Why are you carrying around Bodhi's piggy bank?

Tommy: We didn't. I had to walk home.

Josh: Fuck off. And get—

Tommy: I dropped off Bodhi at home and then I had to go back in and get it.

Mason: Surely an ATM.

Tommy: Nah, I forgot. I don't have my PIN codes. I forgot my PIN codes because I never use it. I'm always payparsing. So I literally had to go home and get this. It was the biggest nightmare. It's still happening.

Josh: Yeah, no, it's fucked. Yeah, the, the, the whole idea of paying cash for shit, it's just, it seems a bit—

Tommy: I mean, why don't we just walk down to the shops with our, um, our friends Gudde Derek. Yeah, we bought two, uh, we bought a cookie each, Josh. And we paid on our card.

Josh: And then did he pull out cash?

Tommy: He pulled out cash.

Josh: Yeah, and a certain— maybe it's like I've said it before, I've got a mate who would get $160 out at a time. I think I'm more likely to spend more money if I'm using cash.

Tommy: Well, I mean, the push the other way is like, I think Barefoot's even said digital currency, you feel like you, you don't know what— I mean, over the weekend, how much did you spend on a card for our new studio? Oh yeah, it feels like he didn't spend a cent, but he spent 3 grand.

Josh: Yeah, no, well, the studio is all happening, it's great. But I did, you know, we talked the other day about— I think it was maybe even Friday, or, um, who did we have on Friday? We had—

Tommy: we had— yeah, Peaches.

Josh: Um, no, probably it was Thursday, talking about spending money and just the, the antsy sort of vibe when you're about to drop a bunch of cash. Yeah, definitely felt that.

Tommy: You did?

Josh: Because it was like I was buying from a German website and so I had to translate the whole thing. Yeah, it just felt like I was just beating the system, just like it was all in German translated to English.

Tommy: Yeah, and so I got an email in the morning from—

Josh: I got—

Tommy: I looked at my phone, there was like 5 messages, and then I got an email that Josh had forwarded on receipt, and I thought it was spam because you even wrote in the—

Josh: you wrote us in the subject, I said, guten Tag, he's been scammed, he's been hacked.

Tommy: And there's now this $3,000 purchase.

Josh: Well, because we'd spoken about it, we'd sort of agreed that, yeah, we're gonna buy this stuff for the studio. But then there's probably an extra layer of confirmation that I would typically get, but it was 11:30 at night.

Tommy: Well, essentially we, I mean, most contracts, we don't have one just as yet, but like a lot of them, the minimum is like anything over $500, you need to have confirmed by your business partner. Mason, don't learn from us.

Josh: I think it worked out okay. No, it's fine.

Tommy: 100%, I didn't think about it. But there is a moment where I do think to myself, it's like, ah, in a business partnership there is exceptions you make for each part. If I imagine me spending $3,000 on some mic stands, you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? You've got no clue what— what you haven't researched. So I get it.

Josh: Well, it's because it's like it worked all towards that moment of buying them, right? Where it's like I'd been researching them for so long, it was probably going to cost us more money if I kept researching because time is money and the amount of time I've spent on it. But yeah, it was interesting. With the, uh, Easter's coming up, yeah, have you got specific— I know it's very food, food heavy, but every, every Easter I would get the Humpty Dumpty that has the Smarties.

Tommy: Oh, I remember that.

Josh: Yeah, but you got over it, you don't do it anymore.

Tommy: I mean, I was 5.

Josh: 6.

Tommy: Yeah, I was very young. We don't, we don't do any of that stuff. I'm not even— I mean, the most— the thing I'm looking forward to about this Easter is Hey Tiger chocolate, which Bree, your partner, works for. Yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to. But nah, bro, it's— that's very old school.

Josh: So would you have a specific thing? So on Fridays it's like, I go, I'll probably watch the Good Friday, Good Friday Appeal.

Tommy: Is this legit? You're not pulling—

Josh: No, I'll watch Channel 7, I'll watch Good Friday Appeal. Why? Because it's just— have you ever watched it, Mr. 97? Do you even know what it is?

Mason: Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's awful though.

Josh: It's not awful.

Mason: Yeah, it's great, but it's boring.

Josh: It's pretty interesting. The Daily Talk Show— could we do some form of donation where it's, if it's read out on the show, we'll double it?

Tommy: How?

Josh: $50 from the Daily Talk Show podcast. If we mention out the show, they're doubling it to $100.

Tommy: Where are they mentioning it?

Josh: On Channel 7 at the panel. There'll be like a bunch of Home and Away, so like Charlie Claus and Current.

Tommy: Will they actually say the business?

Josh: They'll say the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't—

Josh: I mean, it's not—

Tommy: should we give to charity? Just— yeah, yeah, that's money outside of—

Josh: let's give it like— but it's nice having the sort of—

Tommy: it's nice getting a shout out, a bit of PR.

Josh: Yeah, a little bit.

Tommy: What you want? Yeah, maybe, maybe a tiny bit I mean, this is where people are also spending their money outside of charity. I am selling a boxing kit. It's like all my—

Josh: I thought you were bringing that to the office.

Tommy: No, I've actually got— I've got our one, which is all the good stuff, and then I'm selling all the shit stuff.

Josh: Okay, perfect.

Tommy: But I've put it all up as like a pack that you can buy all together.

Josh: The ultimate shit pack.

Tommy: I'm not selling it like that. I'm— it's just called assorted boxing equipment.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Anyway, I got this message from a bloke named Kieran.

Josh: And, um, sounds like a boxer actually, Kieran.

Tommy: Kieran, uh, I think Kieran's from Bendigo from what I can see.

Josh: Anger problems, I reckon. Do you think?

Tommy: Well, wait for it. So, um, he basically said, here's a whole bunch of shit I'm selling, it's X amount of dollars, $250 or whatever, not separating anything. What do you think people message and say?

Josh: Will you do the, the bag separately?

Tommy: Yeah, sure, $250 for everything. I'll throw, I'll throw everything in there because I just don't want to do it anyway. It's his first thing, is this available? 'Hey mate, would you sell just the two headgears?' Because there's like Muay Thai full boxing headgear.

Josh: Did you wear the shorts? Did you ever have the shorts?

Tommy: Yeah, I had the Boggan shorts.

Josh: From Thailand?

Tommy: Thailand, yeah.

Josh: I brought some home to my brothers.

Tommy: Yeah, they're just— unless you kickboxing them, don't wear them.

Josh: Yeah, you could wear them as maybe like boxers that you sleep in, maybe.

Tommy: I mean, get around the house, but the— what we're talking about is a Thai kickboxing.

Josh: They're like pretty tight around the hips and then just I think I would potentially like it. It might act as like a bit of a girdle for—

Tommy: oh yeah, I know what you mean, just like fucking— there's something comforting about having your tummy pulled in, isn't there? Yeah, I've even— I like—

Josh: I wear my jeans quite high.

Tommy: I know you do. Um, anyway, he says to me, hey mate, would you sell the two, two head gears? And I said, do you say it like that? Yeah, I said, how much were you wanting to spend? I was entertaining him at this point, wasn't planning on separating, but the offer's good. I'll be up for it.

Josh: Can I guess how much? No, he said 50 each.

Tommy: No, he didn't even come back to me. He said, um, not a whole lot. He doesn't want to spend much. It's mainly just for me and the boys. We want to throw down in the shed and, uh, when we get pissed. Last time I nearly broke my mate's jaw.

Josh: So we want your mates? So we want some headshots. I think you showed me a video of you doing this exact thing with Conspiracy Jimmy.

Tommy: We did this I said, that's a cause worth supporting, $80 and they're yours.

Josh: Oh, that's good. Has he written back yet?

Tommy: He said, um, all right, uh, if the boys want to put in, I'm in.

Josh: What time did he send this?

Tommy: Um, I can't even see the time here, it's in that Facebook.

Josh: You do it the other way, swipe.

Tommy: Uh, hang on, nah, it's just saying his name.

Josh: Was it a Friday night, Saturday night? Was it— was he probably on the pitch?

Tommy: No, I think it was a Sunday. He's probably concussed, nearly died.

Josh: His girlfriend said, if you're going to do this again, at least wear headwear.

Tommy: Nearly died from getting hit by Jeff in the shed. Jeff nearly hit his dad's mower.

Josh: The, uh, the anger— on anger issue stuff.

Tommy: Because these guys—

Josh: yeah, because it's like anger issues. Mr. 97's bro James, did you see his Insta storey that he was doing about the, um, detention?

Tommy: Oh, hang on, hang on. We'll just say for the, for the two people in the room that are still on social media, did we see it?

Josh: No, you guys probably did.

Tommy: I didn't. Yeah, I'm the other person on social media. So how's that happen? Another bloke has seen it.

Josh: But it was interesting, there was a whole bit on detentions. Yeah, what happened? And the idea of replacing detention with meditation.

Tommy: I have heard this, this was in the paper ages ago. This is— and so what?

Josh: How would you feel about like when you were growing up switching from doing detention to if they were to say open up the app and have Waking Up with Sam Harris?

Tommy: I was forced into counseling, not forced, but really, was that a forced thing? Well, when I was young, I was year 7. There's not much option you have when you're year 7. I hope Bodhi's listening to me when I say we're going as a family to counselling and he doesn't, and he can cry and whatever, because I look back on going to counselling with my mum as beneficial times.

Josh: Like, so you reckon you'll definitely— you reckon a certain age?

Tommy: No, no, no, not, not saying I will, but I'm saying if I was to have a time where Bodhi is young and I, and I say, this is— as my— as your parent, this is the most beneficial thing that I think, you know, for this thing, whatever's going on, you know. So it's like, so what I'm saying is forcing kids into meditation it's forcing them. They don't want to fucking do that. They don't want to be at detention. I think about me, that kid that was at detention.

Josh: Did they do green slips at your school? Nah, ours was a green slip color. Anytime you got a detention was— oh yeah, on green paper.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: Which seemed like super official, but really they were just— they just changed the paper in the printer.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, true. Um, so I think it's— I think it's beneficial. I think getting kids— they might down the track think back and go, remember when I learned meditation when I didn't want to?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And now I do it all the time and it's fucking sick. Yeah, it's cool.

Josh: Did you ever get in detention, Mr. 97? Ever? Like once?

Mason: Yeah, I did.

Tommy: What for, bro?

Josh: Uh, it's gonna get real dark.

Mason: No, it was, it was mocking a teacher's accent.

Tommy: Oh, what was it? Can you do it?

Mason: Absolutely.

Josh: No, no, don't do it.

Mason: It wasn't even—

Tommy: I mean, what nationality?

Josh: No, don't even—

Mason: yeah, don't go there. Okay, so we know it wasn't even that bad.

Tommy: I can guess he had a good—

Josh: no, don't guess. It's not South African.

Tommy: You can take— you can take off. That's what I'm saying, you can take off as South African. German, take it off.

Josh: No, I reckon I think the Schrödinger stuff before was enough for me.

Tommy: I'm just saying the name over here so we've identified the— what accent it was. No, God be good, Josh.

Josh: Did you like—

Tommy: what'd you—

Josh: what'd you learn from the whole experience?

Mason: Yeah, it's not fun. Yeah, I mean, probably the worst thing was just being like the the coordinator came in from next door and he overheard it. So it must have been quite loud. Yeah, I can't even remember, to be honest. And he like pulled me out of class and then brought me into his office behind everyone, which was just literally a glass panel. So everyone was just like looking. Really?

Tommy: How old were you? Uh, like what year?

Mason: Would have been year 9. Okay. Yeah.

Josh: Did they tell you? Because they write it down and then you have to show your parents.

Tommy: Not always, not always. No, not at my school.

Josh: I thought you had to get it signed by the parent.

Tommy: Nah, what year were you getting?

Josh: There was all— no, but that was just like across the board. Yeah, because you wanted to be able to like— you— they needed to show that, you know, like there was communication going on and all that. Because there was after school— because remember there was after school detention and then there was lunchtime detention.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Did you do— was it the— this one?

Mason: I'm pretty sure there's morning as well. We had morning at our school.

Tommy: Saturday detention was the big one.

Josh: We never—

Mason: that's a private school.

Tommy: Public schools can't afford to be open on a fucking Saturday.

Mason: That's sports and stuff. Stuff at private schools.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's why that's like growing, why they have— yeah, yeah.

Tommy: I never got the Saturday detention.

Josh: Yeah, what do you have to do? Do you— were you not expelled?

Tommy: No, I was not expelled at all. Did you ever pass?

Josh: You suspended?

Tommy: I was surprised I passed the year 10. No, never, never once. Never asked to leave. Amazingly, how I, how I got through that— I either got out of the private school I was in early enough before I got expelled definitely would probably have been asked to leave once I got back. I wouldn't have passed. Surprisingly, I passed Year 10 and I one term missed 30 days or 25 days or something of the term. They still passed me. So, but then I got into Year 11, that was VCal, which is—

Josh: VCal, yeah, VCal Kids. I was speaking to a mate yesterday who was saying that the big thing at the moment in primary schools is competitions around who can have the least amount of waste in regards to their lunch. So parents are being encouraged, like, get rid of the Glad Wrap, get rid of any packets.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: So kids are going like hardcore, like going to school with no plastic or rubbish.

Tommy: You're probably also getting a few little wankers rocking up with an AeroPress for lunchtime. Times have changed, dude. Yeah, you're right. There is like, there is packets inside packets inside packets with kids, kids like, they get rid of it all.

Josh: Like, you just, they, they're going like completely like no, no plastic.

Tommy: I remember like it even got to a point where it wasn't cool to have a lunchbox, you know. It's like there was—

Josh: what does that mean? What do you do?

Tommy: You just bring a bag, you know, like plastic bag.

Mason: I literally had my lunch in a plastic bag.

Josh: Well, so lunchboxes, I, I never had a lunchbox because I also was never cool. Well, no, I had lunch orders. Yeah, I was a lunch order kid. So I had, yeah, chicken tenders were big.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. But there was, I think that's, kids have it tough, man. It is such a brutal time in your life where you're young, your brain's developing, you've got no sense, you're bloody impersonating teachers.

Josh: But do kids go to milk bars and stuff nowadays?

Tommy: No, it would be 7-Eleven, it'll be the bigger one. Nah, fuck that, you go to Coles. A dollar. I'll tell you, chocolate bars are cheaper than when we were kids now.

Josh: But you reckon kids are so woke now that they're saying that is naughty and like, I don't want a Mars bar? Because like canteens were huge, but like just the amount of shit that you would eat.

Tommy: They go into the servo to get a kombucha and some rice balls from Steph Claire Smith.

Josh: Yeah, maybe it's definitely changing things.

Tommy: I think it's good. I think it's moving in a positive direction.

Josh: Yeah, great. Well, I'm glad. Uh, tomorrow we've got String on the show. Yeah, she's, uh, blown up on LinkedIn, the queen of LinkedIn. Yeah, and so, um, I think we'll talk all things LinkedIn. And also, um, she's the video evangelist for a company called Shootster, which she announced, uh, last week.

Tommy: That's tomorrow.

Josh: Yeah, the Daily Talk Show, everyone. My blood sugar is quite low, so time to get a kombucha.

Tommy: Yeah, catch you later. See you guys.