#584 – Jack Steele & Matt Ford, The Inspired Unemployed/
- January 21, 2020
Jack Steele and Matt Ford are two Aussie battlers trying to find themselves and are the duo behind The Inspired Unemployed.
Jack and Matt have built an incredible following over the past 12 months by creating content around their take on everyday observations and Australian culture.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Taking the leap
– How content ideas come about
– Monetisation tipping points
– MCing and interviewing at the ARIA Music Awards
– Retaining information
– Travelling & chasing the snow
– Jack & Matt’s partnership
– Feeling guilty and the need to create
– Approaches to creating content and building something
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 594 what's happening guys? We got the boys from the inside unemployed in the building
my boys Welcome to the daily talk show studio. Right feels good. Have you? Have you been to Melbourne before?
Funny like we'd never have we never had
that super funny because we're 24 lived in shadow walks in both of us and never been to Melbourne. It's like the only two people we know you haven't been to Melbourne
airport to you but Sydney, which is a couple hours
it's no excuse. Yeah. Massive mission for a session Melbourne. Yeah, for a weekend. You feel like we've been travelling around five years around the world you feel like you just need to get away from Australia.
ever needed. Yeah, go to Melbourne.
Building for us, but now we can say we are so good. I've spent a bit of time with you.
Boys in my bed
my wife loves to sit in bed watching your content when Instagram first came into contact
but it's been a happy ending.
But I saw you a mutual friend somebody you've spent some time with in Melbourne PK PJ posted a video with you guys or Kelly. I just jumped in made I gotta get these guys on the show and next minute you're here. So appreciate it.
Man friends. If you if you look back, you only started posting on Instagram FEHB last year, almost year anniversary.
One year that is in some kind of archive the last seven years that we're saying are you literally literally
like 11 month. Yeah.
I think when someone probably looks at your content because I hadn't I hadn't looked at the dice on the first post and they they
Might just think you're you know you guys are tradies yeah and then I've just found your fucking calling in
and so I haven't dug too deep into that story because I like that story my story turns a couple of trading
well I tell you what your background
Do you think my hands a soft other way? Very nice.
Will you guys actually try these before you got into video content the most?
He's got plastic hit some serious like that's not good for my softness.
know I've been trying to figure out no ideas, which is
his trades. He's a dumb question. It's
not it's not as long commentary and posturing. Uh huh. Yeah. But I wasn't having 1520 philosophy. So not a whole lot but
stowed on the friendship and Yes, yeah, so what were you doing track you travelling? Yeah, like snow. I'll snowboarding for about five years like seriously trying to just chase seasons around. Yeah and come home for a few months a year to get some money and then do a bit over Canada and stuff. So yes, you do it all again. Yeah, it's fun. And so you are you guys still try these? Are you working? Are you have you fully transitioned into
Instagram life? Oh
um oh we're not really working for the next couple months but pretty much it's the transition now. Yeah, that's six weeks ago. We quit hopefully don't have to go back but we'll see. You went
blue the building before you? Yeah.
What does my boss say you probably listen to this in an hour and just gone my fucking dickheads left me
begging him for a job.
Shit. Get a pushback from guys on the work.
When they say pulling out fun oh we don't really try to do it at work usually pull out our videos yeah yeah I mean it's pretty funny like we do like a video and I just everyone watching it the next day you just cringing on phone jumps off like watching
you drop by some ice cringe videos on a Friday so then
just going oh my god Hussein
kill me did you guys do like drama or theatre or anything like that I get asked that a lot actually never never not not a thing. Oh yeah, go like we like three years ago we lived in it was three or four years we lived in. We moved up to New Zealand and lived in Queensland for like six months and that's where we started doing the videos. I just go on different page we did was like country TV. Give us did it and
it kind of blew up back home like a little bit and nothing like this like Yeah, yeah. 4050
comments and people love it. I heard Yeah, yeah. So back home being
back home like you and
your family a loving
dad. Yeah, my mom's one of 12 and I just want to know and so it's pretty much
the biggest fan ever.
She calls him out like this and just go
on the Today Show today and she messaged me
and I can hear
so appreciate that more than the person that's been pushing to be on the telly and be the presenter many years, which was many early days. I used to wonder you know, like, and and, and it never really happens to those people. It's the people that don't say it is the thing that they probably were destined to know from
15 years ago, and then you find your rhythm you see that it's actually gaining traction. I mean, people say you can't build an Instagram following these days, you know, because it's too hard. Yeah. But they suck at content. Well, you guys are the content first approach. Yeah. You know, like not the influencer style when did the
when did the Instagram pop?
A couple months ago and we're doing it for a long, slow grind. So seven months is kind of when it started to like, like snowball like roll. Yeah, I guess it took us seven months to get to 10 K. Felt like bloody seven years. Yeah, but um, yeah. Then after that, a couple of videos just spiralled out of control, like 25,000 followers in like 24 hours and one of them is not, how does the concepts come about? Do you like talk through that?
Like just, it is just sometimes I mean, do you head also enjoy that lonely I just
Top to bottom and you know hold on to them yeah relatable yeah yeah exactly like even something you do like like you know if you seen the rolling came on yeah oh yeah
like rubbish yeah and then the cane like dropped and rolled in now just chasing down the driveway and I was like oh that's
so you then put it on a string and if you follow the chase
production of a video
to be high production yeah the thing that happens with plastic bags to the other
we need just because he can't be a gronk and just
enjoys toys a time with a select pop jellicle straight watching you and you just chasing this
rubbish just go and play stop. Please donate kids don't get like one like send me away from it.
Well so you're looking for reliable things so like what you you had Scott
on the show
man the the joke being about the handshake and him chasing you guys down for the handshake which is Josh and I had handshake banter back and sky mo which is you're just finding those moments. yeah pretty much just for light to her light Oh, stupid and then just broadly and get to our and then talk about your life this is gonna be shit. Oh this is gonna be good. How can we make it good? I guess? Yeah and just gets mad yeah I don't know it's kind of comes natural most comedians have a like an airport or plane joke around related like because obviously it's a very relatable thing It feels like you're on a plane or you're in transit ideas come Do you find it coming to Melbourne being on the on the flight at the airport? We were notes yeah TV
Yeah slept the night before to be honest.
Yes, that does happen. Definitely when you're in the right mindset no Yeah, yeah. Yeah like that. Okay. Whoo a couple weeks ago I was in the car we have someone so go do this video I shouldn't say this but anyway sit in the car and you know in the next in the trunk put the seatbelt in my car like touching you.
And you kind of don't you know what you kind of don't and it just gets real awkward. Yeah. And I was like, oh
and so you build out sort of a book of these ideas where you could you actually then scheduling time in the week now to go Monday and Friday we film or is it just sporadic? Try to official that's it. Now it doesn't sound like this. You guys would probably know it doesn't seem like there's much to it. But it's like we're struggling to stay awake until like 10 o'clock at night. I'm not all as a day. But yeah, it's a little work goes into it and what people think I assume is that from the
very beginning you were putting that much effort into videos. So yeah, we started em we did a couple and like started the page and like let's actually try and give this a crack and make someone have it. And then listen to like Gary Vee
Gary Vee much like what you guys are trying to do like a podcast today well let's try and put out a video do that for like so long because that's what just like content Yeah, so then we just tried to pump out as many videos why when we were over in France when this shit Airbnb will just like punch out as many videos as we can and we're just enjoying and having fun because yeah, it's exciting new and then yeah, it's we're just trying to pump out as much good and just consistent with good content. That's what we're trying to do. And we had time when I had several like we love it this guy let's try and just do it. And what was honestly if it weren't for Hola, hola, Europe and also Hey, we're like working right like scripts and then filming trying to put out like four videos a week is taking up so much time.
was travelling bit like being somewhere else and sort of opens your mind your face. And shame yourself because like, you know, I'm in like, say people in the street Oh yeah, like yeah, just opposite Gail or anything like that and we're like if we go to that first stage is the hardest where you try to get to where people actually like okay this is our heart yeah that but like we wish you remember some of the ones you thought were all good fringing So do you have a sense of that it could become a business or what point were you like oh we can actually monetize I think so hard because we the whole time we we had a vision for it It always had like little goals to get here and there definitely wouldn't we would never be like black Christmas would have 100 tie followers and doing what we're doing Yeah, exactly. Well at all wouldn't know why it was whatever the goal when it when it came. Oh, sorry. Yeah, where did the goals like what I look like? We'll just say
Angle kind of he wanted to try and make a living out of this. Yeah. And so hopefully, like it opened doors to make it a career some some way or another like, didn't really know what the end goal was. But we knew if we did well, yeah, open up doors whether it be Yeah, we look at a resume. Yeah, we look at it as like a resume for any entertainment kind of Yeah, I guess even like if we could filming jobs we didn't really know exactly what we need we want to kind of be in this kind of industry I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. When we started it started to blow up a little bit like over like 15 or 20,000 followers, whatever, started getting emails from management saying we want to manage you guys like whatever.
What was there a clean tipping point? Where
was it? Was it a specific piece of content? It would it would have been that was actually that was a few like three It was like that Britney Spears one then yeah, that was the whole nights like dance down the street and then that dance mama
Pretend to remember when I'm at my level
rolling like black sauce costumes. That was a tip and whatever. Sure. Yeah, that those three kind of like made the whole ball start rolling. And then yeah play on that third one where we dance man in like blue in Berlin kind of gear. That's when we started getting a lot of, like, brains. I wanted to work with it and that's, that's where we're at from. Like, I think we went from 10 nine K to like 25 ivanoff who were just like, what is going on and what is it what's the emails what what did I sign it?
Lots of brands that want to collab and do like you make obviously make a video yeah, festival. Yeah, them like it on your page, but we knock a lot of them back notice.
Yeah, we don't really want to, like flooded with that kind of stuff is me, you know lacus
I can lose it. But I think we have been just trying to do
Stuff that fits us. Yeah. Well, the show what did you watch growing up?
Have you seen any of the influences? For sure? Yeah. For us
seeing that they've been on the show. Yeah, no, that sounds Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, it's funny. They're inspiring.
They're employed. Yeah.
Hopefully we get employed by
I don't know. Susie, I don't we don't really get inspiration from
like, Do you watch other skip like pages and stuff? Not I don't at all. I don't really watch. I didn't know. Tuesday night. I don't know really? at all. I guess it's kind of like it is maybe how do you boys
on 18 and 7025 24. Okay, so you guys grew up?
On the with, you know, with Facebook
my space, my space.
before the Facebook dropped Yeah, I know the fighter
early guys early dies 2008 I think I got on Facebook. Yes sir it was it's fairly late is it? It was four years or four years I think it was early. Oh, I a lot of people in Australia were getting on Yeah. Oh seven was super early I was as well. Yeah.
I mean that kind of guides us in terms of the content we're watching. I mean, growing up with Telly, we did you watch much TV I loved. Thank God you're here. It was such a good show. timeless show.
Oh my god and what else not?
Too much TV. We don't even have to me because I'm pretty bad with the other ones.
rejection I talk about like the naive it when you first start making videos that is, is so productive, like when you don't really understand all the elements of making video, so there's less boundaries in place, you know, so you go into an idea and give it a fucking red hot crack. Is there stuff that you guys started after making a bunch of like, how he probably should you know like it's a barriers come up and now it's too much can't be bothered or you know getting out and putting yourself out there more so like even your own performance or getting embarrassed or like I know how this is going to go to know kind of quick I really think that we like the
benefit we feel like the more shameful the better content, which is true.
But like now, it's getting harder and harder because like we did this one that bar
dancing like oh my god I've never cream so have a lot of fun. And we didn't like the
Opera House and they'll be just a bunch of tourists that in you do not care one bit because people everywhere, but if you go somewhere, people kind of know who you are. It's just as busy. You're just like, oh my god, I feel sick. But it makes the best content. So you guys just got to
see knowing what Yeah, when you know that that feeling is happening this it's cool. Yeah.
What about careers and looking at and how you see careers. Obviously, this has been a massive pivot for you guys. What's the learning? been so far? learning? Hmm, good question. It's Yeah, it's hard because everyone asks what we want to do. Like what's this gonna lead to me still kind of don't really know. We know we want to like, I mean, that's too broad like every day. You get you like, yeah, this is a good go out of where we want to head and then you
An email that just changed everything. And you're like, Okay, let's try this. But yeah, and like yes. Like, we go. We did the R is interviewing superstar. I don't know if you guys will get this interviewing but have you done like, you're not like TJ he's done a bit of right yeah. I was trying to be present on the red carpet the logo. Yeah know the pain but it's it's hard. It's difficult. Well, just unnatural. It's a weird situation. I kinda had the presenter sort of this job. Yeah. Like I think you guys are lucky for us to watch myself or and you guys I prefer to watch. You guys apply our presenter. Yeah. Because it's so much like I think what your awkwardness about it is why it's amazing.
That young Lisa 97 he's great talent doesn't no talent whatsoever. But he makes the best of ash like he makes. There's so many great moments of our show that he's putting himself out there but he doesn't really he doesn't want to do it. Yeah. And so that's that
Not I think the early day of the night so you don't want to be that I fucking got this Yeah.
That's our biggest feed looking cocky and like the heads like what you took the Rolex watch before you came on the show
Eddie suits that you went to school with say about the stuff that you Mike they surprisingly very, very supportive, so supportive and nice to us. Like it's so cool. It's really nice. Like everyone receives us like, we love it. And like we get so many nice messages. Pretty cool. Like, because people come back exactly show
the kids that have always been like, Yeah, I remember you put yourself out there. It's like people could just never really write you off. But everyone's so nice to us. It's everyone says like you're just doing you which makes it so much easier for everyone to just yeah, taking and be like, I'm not trying to be anything. No, no, it is not like we're trying to be someone else. So maybe people at school are like that's what you boys Yeah.
Who knows what they thought they say? He was like, Yeah, you're just being yourself. So that's why it's Yeah. Nice and cool. So that's pretty cool. So you were in Melbourne for an insane gig which the the event got cancelled because of the weather. Welcome to Melbourne. Yeah.
It's Always Sunny five minutes before 2am saying stuff, Tommy and I've done a little bit of it where Yeah, like I stress out beforehand. How are you guys? Is
it just depends on the situation. I mean, we're definitely gonna like Oh, here we go. Yeah, you gotta be fine. Like we know we could do it, but you could be fine but like, it's kinda like Oh, fuck you. You're like I could get you away. You just prepare yourself and just prepare what's what's the stuff? Oh my God have a scripted. You know what you had to say? Like, just go off the caspia and I remember the areas we go like, it came down to like, a week before. I'm like
right we're prepping hard Brian that's right scripts like just get a diode and you don't have you have l before you had to do it we still hadn't even told him like we knew got to do it
every night would be like are we gonna do like research not and they wouldn't
do it just wouldn't have it and then the morning we woke up like six to try and
yeah practising it wasn't on or anything like this and then we're like well fuck it we had no questions like prepared or anything and we're like walking into it in a more kind of got real when we got in the red carpet like holy shit like we actually have a table we have it I always shooting any kind of show that you should have a table like
this isn't like we got told we had to do it and then what were they on the red carpet and then there was an ally of us just standing there. Waiting
these are a bit like young
guy would I wouldn't think of it would
not just be awkward and like the people just like they weren't that keen that was your first interview
and then we kind of like dragon pretend we didn't know like the artist but we knew they were
coming out and they're kind of like they
say gonna be awkward. And then we like kind of wrapped it up pretty quick in the cheek will weave that was nice enough
for who was cool accidental music and she was kind of like oh, maybe try and talk a little bit longer and also Oh,
yeah. La silicon.
famous person that you got on the carpet.
That Morgan Freeman.
It was in Green Mile. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm Morgan Evans Morgan Evans
across the music stuff So did you find it did you then find the groove? Yeah
we did go to question that you knew would do really well. Yeah, I was
like I should
say all go it all one went bad like what after party gonna wait Kelman you have a boyfriend
beside the couple times every time Yeah. Like what happens with Morgan Evans that was so
You surely know america he was American. He was a stallion but he's been in America like I just nice killing over there. But he thought I didn't have a close I was like he Australian or American was like he's like he was so offended he was like, looked at me like rattled
you idiot Why did y'all oh my god I just got snow awkward but we recovered Yeah, you watch that. Did you recover? Oh, I can't
say that but you've watched your breakout video It looks hilarious cuz you know me say the good things. But yeah, and it did go well, but
talking to like, if you talking to people that it came to talking? Yeah.
Well, you know, Brad blanks, know who was on a mission early like a red carpet reporter from the stet lives over in New York. And we've had him on the
seven foot looking giant, who you know, sort of stumbles around. It's a part of
Stick so he's really great. Like I think he's amazing at what he does and he's and he's built that kind of approach. I don't know if he I think he does probably now he does do his prep he also doesn't drop his natural approach to what you guys are talking about Yeah, that was great and then we did the GQ Man of the Year was one night after so we like we had done this kind of stuff I interviewed anyone and then two nights in a row we had these massive event and I think the GQ on those proper famous now but it was a lot of fun because we had it didn't go the other way like one hotel I'm like, I was so I was
always so I was like so before the Jq so after hours we didn't eat for like two hours the thing we didn't have a meal and then I got this nice snack crazy stomach bug like for the gastro Felton's very common.
I was spraying up
smelling things coming
Sort of like
is it dead person
and then so what happened that we were walking down the street trying to he was freaking out cuz he's like this is one of the biggest snots factories I thought you didn't pull. Yeah, it wasn't I was like I was like shaking in bed like
no stress from how he is when
and then we then went off like like walking down the road he was really sick and was like we're gonna have to get dressed and go up in like 20 minutes. He's like not wanting to go to like the chemist we were into the
good in some like pills and I stopped like Hydra lots a bunch of things. Yeah, he was Paul. You're just feeding me tablets.
Do like Yeah. Were you wearing the same suits or the same
Fight and he had a really
horrible he pink suit
Gucci like like rageous with his cream coloured flashes and Gaston
and then he had to put on the brave face and then you got the elevator and go to out of no I was like sitting down in the elevator going down to it and we were like this is on like this on for big No idea. I'll just go and I'm going to do the dance or like interview and go straight to bed. I'm sorry, sorry. Felt good. And then the gentleman just kicked it. I was following the whole lot. Really fun yet because like I said, we got the first interviewing and not before and then we'll just be more comfortable. Yeah. And then there's a bit more relaxed feel like Well, yeah, cuz you
always wanted that one was just like you leave home and I was so much fun. I was the best night and we so we were doing interviews. We had like a publicist with us, but it was like, not serious. They had the actual interview and we were just
bought, we somehow got like two massive names and then you know, Zendaya Yeah, so we didn't have a clue who it was. There was this other day that everyone's like, we're here for Zendaya, like 10 days a face of the night. And we're like, Who the hell is and I remember asking time anyway. And then someone walked in and everyone was like, Oh my god, and I just assumed that was, it was a dude send that as a go. And I was like, that's that guy right there. And
we're in an interview with Joel crazy. You know, he does. He was hosting that night. He was amazing. He was so so good. So we were interviewing, like a host. So that was hard enough. And I said to her, he was like, oh, how do you feel that Zendaya is behind you. And he turned around and it was just that dude.
Some moto dude, and he's turned back around. He's like, Oh, yeah, you like covered while side go. Yeah, good.
And then off to finish team Zendaya walked in and that same day, and we end up interviewing her like one of the best interviews
a woman of the year she's an actor and
a singer as well. Music 70 million followers on Instagram she she was yeah she was super nice and that was like one of the best interview to discuss I guess
she was yeah she was really good talk it was just fun and then you didn't open up with you Australian or
do you think this do you think the no prep or not having too much info actually serves it definitely it's like today with the today show we I think we they sent us questions are going to ask us we don't want to know
like off the cuff Yeah.
Did I panic or what was the nose Coney wait
for I didn't even know he said.
Like dance dances or was it a live crosses with the Sydney studio?
Live broadcast from LA
Yeah, it says a homeless
again someone but they were meant to do what I went to get up by them but then they leave like 20 minutes. Oh like two minutes before seven screws. Yeah
I forget Alex and Tracy Yeah, really not the legends. How long did you spend on the Today Show five or six minutes and that doesn't sound like that long but when you live too yeah oh yeah once you get longer by the end Susie I walked off and I was like you know what I just feel like my head was about to blow up like
like I was like walked up was like What just happened?
What just happened
yeah it's good for me mom yeah I'm crying
shame on him
back to the jumpstart my
show the I'm just curious on the preparation thing because it makes
It does make a lot of sense. From one point of view, there's the other bit which is like, well, if you if you knew if they were Ozzy or a strat, like you American it would be easier. Yeah.
how are you with like retaining facts like when TJ and I have done him saying, and it's like, Okay, I need to remember that Nando's get their chilies from 1600 farmers in South Africa. I fucking remember that now. But normally on the night I forget all my god
effects that you remember because I feel like short term I'm not good, but then long time I still remember this shit. Yeah.
You can't think of it. Yeah. You emceed any other gigs or no? No really. We go to Cal coming out. But no like that. No proper. What about the areas? What did you actually look at? Oh, boy, you know, honestly, we tried. We had like a name of all the artists face Did you say
We listen to like Triple J and that a lot we're pretty like beginning like music. We love music so we knew a few of them who they were but still not that. You're not like oh, how's your son cow got his head. He's got this house definitely.
Like, artists, we know who they are, because pinpointing what song they are, you know the song. We can't pinpoint that. This is. Yeah, I know.
I said to one of the girls, Kelly, who was it just okay. No, I can't remember. She was dating someone that we just interviewed literally a minute before her. And I was like, Oh, yes. Did you have a boyfriend? Like, well, it's good to say you've done your research actually have a wedding wedding? Yeah, I'm married and I have a kid. I love it. Because they all assume that everyone talking to them has done their race. Yes, I'm
your publicist, Canada.
There's tonnes of people just talking to us and we're just interview and then I'd walk off and like here was that Yeah.
You guys and so it was you didn't know them but
we got a few people like like see me? Yeah. Aiden Jane had
a couple kills
some young artist, No One No One important
you guys dating anyone at the moment? Are you single? What's the deal?
So does that does that complicate things as you start to become more popular? You've mentioned girls a lot.
Is does that become a harder thing? Stay away
guys on Tinder. No.
I said that like you Yeah, what's wrong with
people from the outside?
Yeah, you know the celebrity?
it just to ease Yeah. Yeah, especially.
Exactly. You know with
no distractions now we're just I guess we just haven't met the right person. Yeah.
You boys, you guys doing your research?
with my girlfriend? Oh yeah, I'm married.
I'm Katie turns three
in February. Let's see gonna be big Patty on the big satellite. Yeah. Can you on the podcast? Oh, yeah, he's been on his entire off. He's been sat on my lap and didn't talk.
Then he got on my son's lap and spoke to us. Yeah, he's on camera.
Now, but he'll get on the podcast a bit more. We're doing this for a long time. So we are your same values left here. Yeah, yes. When it comes to travelling, what's the longest time you guys have
Gone travelling for
longer than a
good seven months.
Half a year.
My mom and so the text one coming through
Yeah, you would you read anyone then so she didn't care about
over 100 k.
j mobile. And so what was the travelling experience? Like Where did you guys go? Well, it was this last one we went on. We went to Europe and we started this whole thing. Yes, Europe. So that was unreal. We're in Europe.
So we started it in
friendships we did like you know like couple months a snowboarding stuff and then went back to England we worked for a bit just like on job site labour and
yeah we got a working visa work for three weeks
we didn't even use the visa we end up getting paid cash
that's funny we will
be playing this a longer It sounds like you laughed as if you haven't paid
I don't know that back in the comment. Yeah
really what's it how much debt Do you think there's a little let's just say this cold notices once a week
So Greg only got like, what? 345 employees maybe, but it was it was sent back to my cousin's house, which is where we sign up with a current stop. And then he's he reckons he gets
fortnight they like yeah my lottery talking price wise it just started to clear it all up I don't even know I just told him from well in the beam mid retina visited him not long ago if it's only like say 100 pounds oh no maybe thousands by now and he's like caught for notice and stuff
what happens How did I'm just gonna
do this ash Williams Canadian he he does the same but in Australia which is a bit more hate on your arm when it's overseas
he has to move around a lot.
And so you you expecting that when you go to England you're going to be at immigration and they'll be like if pppp done says if I had a few similar things happen in Canada.
What happened in Canada
got to pay a bank some money for like a withdrawal phase and that is build up for so long and then left my
and a couple more phone, little things, you're not good at admin, when you're overseas and you have zero money, and your parents have already laid off a couple grand, you're just like, I can't do it. And then it was fun. I went back and got another TV there after that. So
pretty nice, pretty change banks.
Three phone companies.
I mean, this has to be a thing, right? They're gonna expect that people coming over from other countries. Yeah, I'm just worried about the England thing for you. I know it will will find me.
Like, and then you're gonna try to draw.
You could say the cost of the fines. Yeah. Because maybe all of that clusterfuck even travel around is more expensive in Australia. Victoria, maybe Montana, New South Wales. They did a people who have fines, the Sheriff's Department of the amnesties. Yeah, and so that will like come to our big booth. Looks like somebody
Something good you know taco out of a track but you actually go off and pie massively reduced amount for you find a brand activation
marvellous creations bar on the way
you pay it and then we finally go smart. England anyway
You parents and watching you I'm a good you're here in Australia you can't do not
gonna go you wouldn't want to do it every phones like $400 insane. Yeah, we've been racking up a few lately. Oh pompons and Sydney, honestly told me to say but yeah, no it was 15 minutes oh you don't this so savage they so we have so we've had so many like, it'd be like 15 minutes half an hour over by rock up and there's a fun Yeah. What are you doing in there for film? You're amazing. Yeah. insidesales
Often I very often near maybe like three or four days away. You could have rented a place with the funds. Honestly but yeah even still to rent a place you don't really get a cost but yeah I love that it was a consideration but the thing with the
parking even like paramedic is seriously expensive that's when we went up to do a job as I see me the parking is 100 and something bucks a day for
one of those big car parks and so we were actually chasing the snow. Like so like season you know like I've never gone skiing or snowing before I'd love to
want to go
find my phone is on the Facebook.
Good banter boys.
the snow this knowing stuff you fuckers
chasing the snow. That's a thing like the seasons or whatever.
Sorry the seven months in Europe was that going from one cold place to another now just for a couple months? Yeah. Three months but you like you chasing
after us? Yeah, like he goes Canada then you'd go New Zealand Canada.
snowing season in Australia we wouldn't have ever Sure. Yeah, I'm normally a New Zealand but this she had on her show and it was good. I'll just drive from home. Nothing like mountains I would say no, not at all. It's disappointing here in Australia it is. You like hiking? I know.
I like Yeti. I like being at the top. Have you been helicoptered in before? No. Have not. That's that's Ellie boarding into that other way.
What's the difference between being helicoptered in and how important is the name of it? You can do it in Melbourne as well. Yeah, you can see the tracks that you wouldn't be able to get to in
Yeah, so would you would you go in?
What's it called? backpackers? What's that called when a backpacking?
Like a hostile
refugee? Do you? Do you go into hostels? Or how do you normally travel around? But yeah, both hostels and Airbnb enemies now There they go.
Well, yeah, I saw you'd have to say the hotel because he's still here for a night that where you're staying it's pretty funky. Yeah, I guess it's the hotel. It's seven Hotham straight. Yeah. Why would you say that? Yeah.
So you getting well into the room service or the client pain? I
Did I put that credit card down? Yep. Yeah, that's good. That's pretty
chicken burger burgers hotel I mean, not to read hotel that.
That hotels in general I found burgers to go either way. Yeah. Oh man. I feel sick. Too much I think. Yeah.
How's your uh, you guys grew up together? Or you or do you work together? We met about seven months ago
with like mates from high school okay. Yep. So, like music has has the relationship. But yeah, shit hasn't been hasn't changed since you've been doing this shit. It's pretty funny. We get along quite well. Lucky. We were actually talking about the other day like since we've been travelling. We pretty much spent married, literally married nearly every day together on the same bed. Yeah, I was like so many times we were just like, I don't know when to give up.
Always and we actually do it pretty well. I think I would play every now and again we have like you have not read
that when you telepathically know when you
have half an hour apart. Yeah, I know that she
just good to get around Insta stories much like to do. And is that ever a sort of a contingency I know people can get more annoying stories. Yeah, sometimes
it's not good to be around each other. Cuz you get those stupid moves where you just don't care. It's funny though. We never really have any vehicle. Anyway. What about when it's connected to the money stuff because Josh and I, we had a friendship before but we've spent more time in business can we have our friendship? Our friendship has been a part of the business but our friendship is a business. We've
Yeah, we're trying to cash out on
I think it changes things. We've gone the clear approach of the talks and big media companies our business we're doing you know, X, Y and Z we bring on young man 9797 what do you what do you What's the approach to money and seeing where this goes with the friendship? Well, I'll just take 90%
bad luck. Have you thought about like, say for instance, a radio show? If you ever get a mission and Dean, have you ever thought about the order in which your names would go? pretty silly names other fighters, jack, jack, jack, jack and Matt Well
put that together. There's a sign that we have that has.
JACK and Matt.
JACK, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack and making sense Matt and jack. We're just trying to make
money. I think
We share the same idea. So this split
is related to the same idea. Well, what about like splurge and fire extinguisher?
buckets? Everything we pay for was like, split it. Really? Why don't you just sort out this fine thing like I feel like this idea
has is gonna piss you off man down the track now.
You're gonna have issues going into, like all of a sudden this I'll put a scenario together that could destroy your friendship. He might. veggie might says, guys.
We've done a little promotion where we've got access to the queen. And what we don't
know but the thing is, it's too late. And so the thing is, you're meant to do this bit of gear where she tries Vegemite for the first time. It's great bit of banter, similar to the stuff the stuff you get on the flight. All of a sudden jack can't get into the country because of the fines.
cost you guys.
All the money. You both lose it. How do you feel now? That's Matt No, then you should have put the car in your name.
So it's a joint issues. And so do you say, I feel like jack that I'm sensing that it was a joint decision with the fines? What do you think?
You know, going out of you?
What do you actually know? What do you actually think about them? That wouldn't bug me I was maybe
that's much the wrong thing. But I am in the wrong Yeah.
lie about it. Let it let it fly over the head.
When it comes to
how you approach life.
Do you think about radio like I feel like, especially the format, there's obviously lots of opportunities around Australia and for breakfast shows and regional shows and all that sort of thing.
Has anyone come to you and said you guys should do that? That
we met up with Triple J but that did they didn't office like a show or anything but I mean, our managers kind of like said would you be and I mean,
yeah, just played by you know, the best speakers. Yeah. All right. Is there
like how did the manager relationship start?
She was on those early she found off at about seven k probably know him. Just like a job. Yeah. And then a brand like a type needed someone for them. So ended up flostor
Yeah, but um, you podcast.
And then what they we didn't offer the managers then we we kind of went through that one. And then about two weeks later, another phone call and another one. And then she's like, I want to manage you boys. And we were like, we're coming in. We're coming up. We're doing right. We don't need to rush into anything. And we just played it right?
For a while and actually got hit up a couple more times of other managers, but she was killing it for us. We had a good vibe.
She's not so on So yeah, I mean, it wasn't scary. Like always sign their life away right now. So it's gotten really good Yeah. She's enjoying the shit out very enough tearing before like she's uh she's
off the dog
managing her this going down to the Melbourne with you yeah, yeah yeah she's she's a pervert you don't want to mess with her.
She pulling you into lon we're pulling
out of that also show what about when it's like is it going in the today show you don't look at the questions. What's that conversation like? She's she lets us do Yeah, she stays in the right direction if it comes to it, but yes, we can handle this. Oh, yeah. She's good.
Like, something needs to be said that she thinks will work really well. She would tell ya.
Have you thought about getting on camera? Yeah. Have you seen Can we
put about seven hours left to do? labour to the last minute? Okay, so what's the timeline? We've had a few that was it cold said she's on it. Well, we were but they were expired. So I'm Mike Ryan. JOHN spoke to serves and got a set up. But then saves only told us after they've been expired. That was Yeah, but they were free.
won't have as much trouble as you
know, good. Well, I don't know if we're going to be able to get back on to the Yeah. Yeah. And so so you've got seven hours left. How long did they give you? Three days and I get to choose? Oh, really? So but uh, I think because it's different, but it's normally about three, four days. Yeah. What do people ask for? Is it a birthday message? Yeah. Usually birthday Christmas. Nice to shout out and yeah, we don't promote it at the moment. So we're not getting any cuz we're getting too busy.
But when we were we don't know if if you They asked you dance yeah dancing piano, guitar piano, piano and in many talents Where did the dancing thing come from like it? Yeah, I'm just like going to festivals and stuff and just being an idiot like just a high yeah this yoanna festivals and just gonna be groupmates and you're just dancing around like idiots and just the ones getting paid for
well it's pretty funny that we're awake we just moved dead so we're in a room just had we all had the speakers on
Dancing that was shot Was that fun? Yeah
it was shit but when you go exercise
and dance yeah
it's so funny that look at
shot just looking like aliens.
neighbours have a good laugh is actually a thing I remember going to in Brunswick just a suburb close to here where it'd be in it was in like this also church hole that they did you know, kids activities and sort of meetings and shit and they like you know ballet and shit like that but they did this one thing that was they turned the lights completely off and put me like disco music on and you're the dance didn't like you know dance in front of people. So it was like a nighttime disco. I think it's it's a silent discussion
around the city. Yeah, we've done that with Saudi right. Yeah, Saudi Arabia. What season? He didn't say that. I'm on the shooting talent show. You're saying that. Oh,
yeah. He's already rain. But to me, Franklin, the dude like the Yeah, and the bees are now. Yes. What the
The red headed dude is he is Jinja ish. It definitely was ages ago he was
I remember what was the pull it out? What was the actual thing that he was doing on the 97? Sheltie? Right? Oh, yeah, yeah be mistaken that he looked like a busker or something.
And he could dance. Yeah, it just came for a bus coming. Yeah, cool.
tones and I is Yeah, she was Johnson she's she was living on the back of a
very hippie ish when he was doing when he
still does any any still kepta Well, yeah. You don't really know what he's up to. Yeah.
Yeah, he's like an auto back then. He was one of the original, like, viral stars, like for sure grabbing the clips and then getting posted through social media. Definitely. Yeah, he's classic. He's there. He's dance. He's on unreal. Like, yes, I get some inspiration for him a for sure.
You met him are you just no no we
just fall in the red dance and you just don't skip
it you pull the dancing inspire. Yeah.
Are you still watching Gary Vee Gary Vee know? still follow, but felt the inspirations there. So wait, what do you think Gary Vee would tell you right now? Like what some advice he would spit out? Yeah, putting content a day What are you
what do you do nothing.
Hundred it take taco you de Dee Dee's listened to him. Yeah. I mean, it's so funny who ends up Yeah, he what world he goes into like, you guys and he's like so business heavy
world but self help as well. Yeah. And then the content creators I mean, he what he what I think he does, he's impresses people that doing anything and should be putting onto the show.
I almost have watched him as like, it's a guilty pleasure. I feel bad about what I should be doing and then get inspired about what I should do and then
this never ending spiral.
I think for Josh and I, I can still feel like we're not doing enough and we fucking do seven shows away. Yeah.
That's my loft. And so when do you feel content? Like when do you guys feel much content? No.
No, it's always but but
feel the pressure of having like,
I guess when you create, even if you don't like it, you've created a brand or a personal brand. And part of that personal brand is
the larrikin that would like a little bit sort of disconnected they don't really give a fuck time to thing. Does that become harder? When you start to care more or the spotlights on you? I'm not really
That's the answer. I can't even I don't even watch a movie when when I it's because I feel like guilty, but literally so dirty that we're not doing enough. I'm not doing enough. But no, no, not really. We can just be ourselves but we're just motivated to make this thing. So it's like it's kind of we can't just want to like it will late hopefully late to. Yeah isn't an oxymoron, like the the idea of a motivated. larrikin. Like all that idea of a or an ambitious larrikin. Do you see yourself as ambitious or do you? Yeah, you say fo official.
They said yeah, yeah, for sure.
very ambitious. I guess I am as well. We want to. It's kind of hard, isn't it? Like
I guess we're just trying to be ourselves and
is like how do you what is the version taking it seriously, but not
you want success but you don't want to just be sort of to focus that it doesn't work then you just lose your version of you guys, you gotta just stop and I feel like the biggest thing for us we stop and patted ourselves on the back when it's, that's the most important thing is make sure we try to celebrate. Just start screaming
now you actually did like a sorry, say you have a big success or say you find out that you're going to Melbourne Australia open that's
fucking loser you know you're gonna get room service Yeah. Sick really sick
like little kids in a playground. So when that happened, what's the what goes on so you scream, go out and jog and just say Congrats, my Yeah, we Oh my god. We walked out of a couple of meetings. So many actually like big, pretty big ones for us. And just been
creamy like rafted like today we were running down the street high five and screaming
he's going on.
So like so funny. Is it? Yeah.
Like was sitting in front of like five people. And we're like, probably hung over and just tapping into a random here we go What is going on? Right? Yeah, well then we walked out and we just we just start laughing we just feel like just catching the fog is going on like it's crazy. It's insane. It's been a pretty crazy few months and then with the content creation stuff, it's like, if you guys didn't film yourselves and put it out there, nothing would have had you then feel the pressure that it's all on you. Yeah, it's in some level because it's like, the more you put in, you feel like the more you get back on them. Yeah. And so there's, there's that that I feel that pressure when it's like it's all my responsibility or it's all like the prey there is that pressure because you know if you take responsibility
ownership of it. It's how you can make it actually work. Definitely. So, like, what's your kind of goal in the site? What did you What do you want to get out of doing this podcast? Yeah, I think we're Josh and I've had interesting sort of approaches. I was in radio for a couple years twice with shepherd and
I lived there for two years doing breakfast radio show. That was it. That was like,
an awesome experience.
I was I was, you know, 2425. And so I was single at a great time. Just Just have fun. And then I met my wife while I was doing that, and so yeah, now, but that was my sort of crescendo of mainstream media like us that a client named
the goal of getting a radio gig or being on telly, right and so then that's where that sort of ends and then I realised this is other world of that's, that's not everything because it stops like there's only a few positions for
Radio jobs. But then there's this content creation world where you the sky's the limit, ours was created. So that was where my journey then meets Joshua's in in terms of my the content creation space. And Josh had been on his version of that journey. And yes, I'm familiar with, like, production, a lot of behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. And then just realising that this new media thing, like being able to do a show that you can completely control and produce not working for the man. Yeah, exactly. So we've taken from our experience with mainstream media, and then also the content creation space, creating viral videos and that approach to you know, using social media and all those things. Yeah, sort of brought them together to form the product. And so that's where I love your approach, because it's the opposite of our approach and it actually fits so well with our approach is about like, building a community having great people along as well and so the real for you not Yes.
Some producer that you don't even want to work with. So think about it like that six minutes, you have like six minutes on today's show, which is great. But what format Do you guys have where you can chat for an hour, this sort of talk shit and so that's where we're excited where it's like embracing connecting all the dots to like having a mission and yet like having the old school, old school sort of media and what they've been able to bring in, combine it with the, you know, the new new age.
Instead, an active activities make a living out of this show. Yeah, so we've started to make money last year from this in integral brand integration, but we have a production company, a video production company. So we've come from working with sort of big brands creating content for them, and their, you know, their distribution platforms, Facebook, and all of those marketing channels. And so that's where we kind of, we morph our understanding with that with this bad it is that
All right, so yeah, you started this and it was two microphones at Joshua's apartment and we didn't video it and it was very low phi to where it is today with senior producer in a studio and stuff. Yeah and so it's like there is a level of convincing yourself along the journey video that is you don't rely on external validation but in this game seeing the numbers go and stuff is that it's working right like you just want to keep grinding and like yeah, it's fine like now we sort of it's we're being with we're seeing that external eyes on us or whatever it is. And it's like fuck, this is working. So the injection of another motivator Yeah. Gets you past another bit and so it's like you guys did you know that Tommy jumped from nine to 25
a guy and yeah, the second he slack off was the second you know, I can't do it and he didn't want it. You didn't want to do it. If you grown any, like even get an opportunity like this, like getting flown down this field.
Boy you like,
like, don't do stuff like this. It is a few like, it's fun and you like
really prove? Yeah, yeah.
It's the start as well. Like, I think that's the other interesting thing is it's like, we don't know where it's all going to go. And so if we just sort of keep our heads down and keep doing it, and sort of being open to opportunities and to meeting new people, how can you lose even if like a show that isn't successful? The amount of development that you have the show over that time? Yeah, yeah. And you just say what works and what doesn't and just do what works? I mean, if you haven't fun then I guess yeah, you're winning. So yeah, it's cool when absolutely, I think you guys it looks like you're having a great time. We do do it on public shaming, but has long about with Instagram nine,
you know, in that same everybody that got us the ideas
Yeah When them or dislike unemployed and we spend so much money on like the worst Airbnb is like, it was so expensive the French Alps they were paying like $30 for a burger that was shit and like $20 a BMI Oh, this sucks. So unemployed like really feeling like one employee because money was just draining out. But then moon spot inspired by something weird like thinking about jacket man is not boring. And then stats and facts and nicknames and mechanic giggling
is it synonyms, like the just like people that
are unemployed but it got worse. We're like, yep, that's it.
And you made some bad stuff. And it's working. It's working. Learn from your mistakes.
Yeah, I love the Sorry, guys, like
almost a year. Yeah. And I love the perspective of we've been we've been given it a crack for almost a year when some people might have a quicker than you
three or 10 days for fucking worse if it was the 10th year where we dropped
it yeah this is the last month oh
maybe people die and then they become famous artist yeah actually does that happen yeah sure yeah well they become bigger than they were without did yeah well that's why yeah what they normally do is like yeah sales here for the roof and yeah the numbers on Spotify or whatever
I think it's the same shows it's why it's always interesting like you think about the psychology of going to your own funeral yeah hey
guys i want to be celebration a fucking I want
thanks for coming
just getting warmed up. Yeah.
Six minutes. How do you how do you? How do you fight off in the six minutes of being on live TV? That's this format is great because you're on a tennis court that helps. Yeah, yes. So much more relaxing.
Doesn't matter what time and hey, trying to like your heads blowing on this.
You guys could actually care of you know, you didn't have your keys you probably want to know. Yeah, whereas I want to get told interview us. Yeah, yeah, definitely got
some something now. Yeah. And then the crush, just not as authentic naseeb era but it was amazing. It was such a good talk. Yeah. And I often like the the What's his name? Alex. He was getting photos again. As I said video series was pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, they're working with a structuring comments. This show we want you back home when you back in Melbourne, down here for you damn sure. Every 24 years when you've been
coffin yeah and we'll do the show with the daily talk show daily unreal Do you it's good as well yeah
well the flow capsure get the young smile Yeah, yeah we do in Sydney because we'd have a place we have asleep. Oh van. Oh, yes. Yeah, so hey, whatever we can the back of the van. Huh.
when you don't have much money once the van is to hear no I load when you videos you are one Yeah, that would be a good day. He and I never know how to say he and I I don't know. He
follows us on Instagram. I'd like to get a I don't know if this is too obnoxious. But I'd like the daily talk show like a wrap on a van. We have a garage here could live here. That would work work but then we'll do like shows
Yeah, noxious? Yeah. He said of noxious. No, not at all. That's fine. That's cool. You ever thought about putting a decal on your
face or whatever just like a little bit like if you're a Breakfast Show Yeah, turn on off that is a little bit obnoxious.
Follow us on Instagram. That can be good. What about a few to get like a sponsor to pay for the for the rap?
So say you
couldn't do it. Yeah.
It's hard when you sleeping in
the local you get Eddie car which is the inspired.
Orange. Is it going to bed in the back? Does does does? Does he not sing that for you? Not for you.
Late what's the
bar and I hate it. What? slavey unless you're new. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and Sydney. It's pretty fun to be that guy.
Because no one knows this the cable it's just like an average vein. Yes sauce of a
man or anything while you sleeping and it's actually happened to me in
in in what's that place called in LA and very very exciting The only way after
San Diego San Diego aside everyone might buy in the bathroom of my ex girlfriend for a few nights and I had this about three in the morning because the party place this big old roided up clear looking dude is walking
cloud yeah show just
not know because I'm very receptive to new word I when I think that it's a new word. I get excited in the talk yesterday.
He was walking down the road with about three nights that massive like huge. They get here though passion and all the cars and I was like Oh, here we go.
Protect my ex girlfriend in which I was not wanting to protect anyone. Still still not.
Got to got to my man and he's trying to He's like, he needs me to try to open every single door handle like smash on the windows and shit. I was so scared I woke up now. I locked the door don't say a word.
Move. And he was looking in the windows and he's like trying to
like full high pitched screaming. banging it like trying to smash the window. He was angry. He was angry. He was
scary. Let's just put another bright face. Talk about you love.
Just gonna flush the headlights. Yeah, come back.
Thanks. Thank you. Thanks.
What what? What up? hacks Awesome, man.
Yeah if you could tag him
Yeah, yeah. Do you want to be a selfie? in it?
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doesn't have Oh my god.
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