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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 531 I could smell

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sugar it's

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fat Friday

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I broke that Fridays. I hope you enjoy there is a lot of sugar. Yeah, I

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appreciate it. I mean I've been holding off awake of this is probably the first week that I haven't actually last night a toast for dinner. Which is not that bad. I have sugar

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no that's nothing wrong toast.

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I mean I know carbs and all the rest. It's better than the thing and cupcake when daddy doesn't want to cook

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but he doesn't get food either. Like it gets on cooking. So he had toast peanut butter and honey. Yeah. And that he had this time

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when they want to

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give the people what they want my son a the ones like just yoga or he wants he wants breakfast for every meal. Yeah, wait big nice. It's not a big fan of nuggets. took him to a burger shop and he wasn't really he wants cheapy But you've got three little ones I do they wanting breakfast as well.

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Yeah, they want breakfast for every meal and my littlest who's to there's a big mix a big thing

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I mean it's pretty yeah it's it makes life easy

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it does I try not to give him waiting for every meal just

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thinking about the macro nutrient nutrient breakdown it's just wait

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that's not good

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means like a diverse they only

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you know finding out all the time I should

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say. So you tell us what these gifts in from

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I went to bed cage cafe you know tona and Catherine aido are the owners there and friends of ours and they have decked out with some treats I've got a note. Okay, so we've got carrot cake we've got the lip these little bunnies are the ones that I sometimes troubleshoot to give my kids for bribery purposes. So I thought you guys might like it might like he's, he's funny. Then we've got two raw treats so no What you know, like like someone really vague it is yeah. This one is some kind of passionfruit taught and then we've got two donuts one's blueberry and the other one

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custard. It looks like it looks like

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Yes, I have two balls. Well, the others m&ms

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destruction fun.

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Really appreciate

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it. I mean, this time, it's always a crazy time of year trying to sort everything out for the new year. So I appreciate structure, so we don't really have to think,

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Okay, well, you're gonna love this. One bowl is full of clinkers. And so clink as you asked a question. You can do it two different ways. I looked online before I came here just to make sure. But one of the ways is that you asked a question, you bought it. And then if there's a green it's a yes, it's telling you a future. So when I was me, I was like, cool, this boy would be my husband's thing and then

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look like a hand puppet. You make it out of paper and watch on the

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chat box.

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Box. Yeah, they cool too.

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Yeah, I remember that shit. Yeah, that was that was a similar thing. It's like, Am I going to? Yeah,

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yeah. And then the other bowl

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business decisions

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that go out of business.

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We'll find out. We make it through 10 and so do I have to say also grain is yes yet pink is no yellow is maybe Yeah. And so the question is, will we be will we make it through 10 years? Clean guys are green. Yes. Pink No. Yellow may be okay. What is the grain?

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Mr. 97 still be working with this in one year.

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One year.

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yellow, yellow?

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It's up to

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the question.

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Um, can I ask?

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Will I have a job next year?

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Great and great.

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Well, I'm a teacher whose children play well, no, I just quit. And I'm with my kids. But next year I'd like to be doing something different. I'd like to be working as a producer, or presenting,

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rising. So I mean, yeah, so you've you've got rid of the job. So now it's just fine. I think it's an easy,

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says yet. Was it a hard decision to make leaving?

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Yes, it was because I was just asked to

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take the time to build a career I guess you would both know. Say yes, it was a bit tricky. It's been nearly 10 years. But at the same time, it's a kind of a good time to pivot. I feel like so many people I know who've had families have sort of reassessed in that time, so I actually quite like a

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shifting career

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to become a cop. You're saying if it goes patience, the only problem with is

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I didn't Pass and Pass he 11 because I didn't do year 11 but you need like a i'd need a seat some exam to get my pass. Are you 12 pastor then be able to even go for a position as a cop? Yeah, it'd be annoying. You need a bit of time many hands and then you have to move somewhere. It's up to you. Your rookie like, remember that girl I bumped into the at the airport. You have shepparton skill

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is awakened Chapman. And did you

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know that? She did a placement and she's doing a placement now in like packing them or something. Yeah. So you got to you

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know, I mean, it's hard to uproot your family

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100 actually found my body we're going to Frank actually frankston Lovelace by the water that's the radio world in some ways Ryan people doing that they going all over the place to like you end up seeing all these random parts I read Stacy June on and she was talking about, you know, ending up in random spots.

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I think making decisions when you don't have too much commitment is much easier face even if it is harder. It's hard all these decisions are hard, but when you've got three kids like logistically yeah about that.

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I mean, even the logistics of getting here to be honest. I told my son I had to charge an energy drink and a half.

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It was natural,

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organic, natural.

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Organic energy drinks bullshit.

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Yeah, like yellow.

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And so what's the m&ms game?

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Okay, so the m&m game is you pick one closing your eyes out of the bowl and then whatever colour it is corresponds to a question that I have written on a post it note for you.

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Do you know the most traumatising thing that happened to me was I was at a party and they mixed m&ms and Skittles into the same ball. monsterous It's like you don't know what you're doing. But I always like go handful. And so it's very disturbing. When you get a schedule. You had an m&m.

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It's a type of person.

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This is how always Yeah, I know this was I was 21. Okay, yeah, so I was probably short enough

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to maybe handle it but

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to have a real opinion when you young you just

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got one it's Brown.

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Brown. Okay. Tell us about your biggest fail moment. Biggest file moment.

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I was actually the biggest

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thinking about good excuse to tell the story of thinking about personal knew about it. It's when I shut myself story.

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So when I was

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when I was 18 I was dating this girl right so I remember like early day relationships how much you really communicating mate Joshua you've been with Barry for long probably doesn't it? You know like how click like very early in a relationship How much are you talking and revealing things about yourselves and what's going on like sometimes you just holding a bit more information this happened now to tell it everything right so there's a big difference I just want to sit that say

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if you would die fishing in 2019 so like the whole me thing didn't happen but you find me again Do you think that you didn't want to frame it as like if you got a divorce? It was dead. Yeah. Want to be like nothing like all that something?

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Yeah. To Be respectful. I wouldn't go on Tinder

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know what I was gonna ask you.

Know, would you would you be more open to all those things to what You're talking about like talking about bowel movements, movements.

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Yes, that's a

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big thing.

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I think I'm be unpassed a lot of the insecurities I had, like, for instance, on the night that this happened, I had a big cold so and I had to go to my, one of my best mates 18th birthday, which was on a party boat.

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Oh my god. So

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I'm feeling a bit insecure about my console, had a complex about it. And I was going with this girlfriend of mine. And before the boat because everyone was drinking prior to going on. I need to take a piece. So I went behind these bushes and taken a piece and I sneezed as I was piecing. What happens is, I told them it looks like you've you've already said,

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You've opened one way on share this tour.

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And you're paying Yeah, which is just relax everything. All of a sudden, a chat myself. Oh, I'm thinking it's

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good it's a quick one even on the boat at this point

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wasn't even on the boat. What do I

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got to do with anything?

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My point of just feeling like all eyes are on me when you have a call to it feels like you're an alien and everyone's like, shut up. So now you

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got a cold so and you shut up.

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Okay, here's my here's my plan. I'm not I can't tell my like, I'll tell me now do I

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get a second opinion.

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So I went on to the boat. Fucking made a beeline for the boat went to the toilet. The toilet was situated across from the bar within one metre. So it's a very tight but the door to the toilet had a little gap underneath it right. And so I went into the toilet tiny. It's like you're on a plane. There was a cabin hole open. There was a cabin hole open that I looked out there just because I was curious. And you could it's just out to water right there. So it wasn't out to a different Alright, I'm gonna for some reason I thought I didn't think to take my underwear off and just do something with them thrown out the window. So what I got bad was it it's pretty bad.

And so what I ended up doing was just wiping, wiping whatever off to clean them to think okay all like toilet paper so I can pull my pants back up. It didn't smell that great in the bathroom not gotten rid of the

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smell the sauce.

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So here I am cold sore feeling anxious about it stinking I'll be 18 and I put toilet paper into the

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Could you imagine doing this nice and mature he

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pressed the button and the toilet starts overflowing.

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So

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it is literally just filled and clogged and water is coming out. Water starts pouring out over the top of the ball going out under the door and it was only a small bit of water this month. What do you do? What do you do at that point?

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You've already

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gotten on the boat after I yeah, I wouldn't have got

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washed off. Here's what I did. Roll my sleeves up, put my hand into the toilet. The toilet paper. I was like, What do I do with this? I threw it out the porthole into the water. And the toilet. Thankfully went down. It was just a reaction. I was like, oh no. And then I'm left with

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my hands, my hands.

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I'm flat as fuck

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you like if you've done something like that. It's like sometimes you feel like your breath smells or whatever. And then you sort of, you know, confident in your talking

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at the moment I'm about to open door to go out to face the crowd of people that I think are waiting for me. Yes. That's how you Thank you like, everyone's gonna be looking at me,

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although in fairness with how long it would have taken for this whole model to unfold maybe there was a line at the

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toilet pretty quick. I don't know. But I think that's like a massive fire. Yeah, it's a massive fire because I probably could have fixed the problem by in hindsight like people have given me the boss. You should have just gone into the bushes taking your underwear off and jumped on the pirate boat.

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Yeah, I've never I've never ever the closest thing I've been to not having undies on is like going from like, my apartment to like the bin room to put the beans out like I don't like the idea of not wearing you want support? Absolutely.

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So that was a bit of a file.

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Your eyes Blue. Blue is tell us about a time where you shoot your pants. Tell us about a time you had to be brave. Any of these things

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they wanted to tell us a story

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about yesterday I was thinking yesterday story. Okay.

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Now you got to be bright

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when you're being brave.

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All right. Let's say, Okay, this is heavy though. It are I

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just, I just did a ship mushy pants. I'm gonna put this whole thing in my mouth. Just

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go for it. Okay, buddy.

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Take down.

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I cried. Thank you,

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john. Okay, so I've got three kids when I had the first one. It was, you know, birth was an unknown territory to me. And yeah, you just don't know what to expect. And I'm one of those people who's like, you know, I don't know, do you call it Tina? where you're like, I'll be right. You know, and it all works out. We've got a friend called Richard. Hi, Richard be listening. And he's like Tina, because like he doesn't necessarily prepare stuff, but it always wins out teen teen ti n. Yes. Yeah. Tina. Anyway, look at

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me tonight.

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I'm from the west. So maybe we have different is that like I've got the

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explanation someone who achieved a feat of skill through nothing but luck.

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Yes, that's what I was. I was hoping to 10 us my birthday example in the sentence. Yes, but anyway, um, you know, things go this way things way. Picture I'm painting but I think I had to be brave because at the end it sort of happened that I had to be taken away for extra surgery, things that happened and were supposed to happen. And my husband was standing there with that little baby, and I was going off on this. You know, they call it it's not true, but like, you know, being pushed away in a trolley and medical bed. Yes. And when your body's in shock, and it's just like cheering on the table so much. I was like jumping off the table was shocked it is. And I think in that moment, I remember just saying to myself, like, you just have to be brave in this moment. Like you're gonna be like, you know that self talk is really kicking you can be okay. Your baby's fine, you'll be fine. You know all those things and you can't take any one with you. This was the first child. And after that for two more, but yes, in that I just remember in that moment being like dirt, you can't be a soap. You can't be like, I want someone to be with me while I go to the surgery. I just couldn't do that I had to be brave. So I don't know exactly what the wedding was maybe that things can go a variety of ways. And also maybe that like, because my husband hadn't really prepared either and just seeing him be scared in that moment was do you prepare?

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First?

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I know, like, I feel like YouTube is full of clips. And maybe you should confront yourself with some of those videos. I don't know.

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Like everyone's gonna be listening because we've mentioned that we've already suggested that on the show this week with Stacy Shabad not yet, like watching YouTube videos or pregnancy like of

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how can you be prepared for seeing a doctor with a pair of scissors cut you off? vagina.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Oh man.

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Yes. It's very confronting

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your bride.

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I guess you are shown your own resilience and resourcefulness in those moments that you can get through it. So

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you need if they're going to do that kind of a pain, man. Yes, yeah. Does anyone with a natural birth?

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Yeah, I think I think it'd be inhumane to be doing that without paying.

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I think they do they give you some kind of job. But I think also at that point, you're in so much adrenaline.

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Yeah, exactly. You can.

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I could. Sorry, Josh. Like if you've had an epidural today, and there's not much feeling at all. Yeah. Did you

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ever have it? Yeah, I did for the first

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major. Oh, yeah. For my back because I've got 200 Gianna wasn't cut. No, no. Oh

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yeah. Hey, I'll throw it all pickings thing and throw it at him.

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Catch. It was great.

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It was great. It's telling me

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that yesterday what happened yesterday.

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It has to be to be had this movie

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will not always was. I was I was doing this edit that I was I was really excited about at the start and then I sort of spent like an hour on it. And then I was I got to the end of it and was like I was really really disappointed with it. But he was

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Yeah, this is the video you're doing for Jim has sent it to me. He said how can I fix it? Fix I said no, you can post it I said just make it clear that you did it.

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environment that's that's that's the response that tipped me over as well really.

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I said put some music on it first. And then he The first thing that I the first The video was made talking about scrotums or whatever it's like I don't have one of those, like, bury the lead. It doesn't like the people with context. Not really building. Yeah.

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Does in video well does music cover a multitude of sins? Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, you can. Yeah, I mean, the time Yeah, definitely.

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I had some fat like, it's fun to cut like something really light hearted, too serious, like, cinematic music. Yeah, it's funny. Like, it changes the vibe of everything.

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But if you can do an edit that isn't reliant on music, and then put it in, you can really enhance it. Like if you're just focusing on the best bits at plays.

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But insane that I've been so down. I've been so down on it, it's based on where they've been. And then I've shifted it and just moved a few thing around. And it's great. Yeah. And so this is subjective to create what you feel is amazing versus what other people feel. It's like a maybe the scrolling thing was a bit

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screwed in part and put You raise me

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choice but you know,

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he could it could have been a funny one she would appreciate it, but text message with that in it,

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but I think no I think what you did was good it's always interesting. How do you select our snippets? What filters are you using? I'll answer that. Oh, yes. Know.

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What depends is probably to two different sympathy or like funny ones. And then and then they're ones that celebrate them or the guests or the person and make them look right. So that's that's the filter

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show. And then it's also he's filled at like, Yeah, what he thinks is good for viewer. Even these phonies is different from what we would pick Well, that's why you just it's having a crack.

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Yeah. What's Why don't micromanage it cuz i don't think that like I've got an opinion, but it's not necessarily right. And so it's good getting

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and when you are choosing the snippets do you have in mind lucky loyal base, or do you have in mind or this could be something that someone sees and they love it? And then that gets them into the show?

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I mean, it's, it's probably a bit of both. There's like, there's a thought of just like, Oh, this is this is great people will love this. But I mean, I probably the the idea of like celebrating the guests is probably more of a full thought than is just going to be the best best snippet because

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if you celebrate the guests, and it's going to potentially onboard new people. Yeah. And also it Yeah, I think that there's a safety in celebrating the guests because the other thing is, you can easily fall into the trap of if you not considering that having too much of us talking and it certainly gets lost. So I think that that's a good filter. Are you doing your job? Now, can I have an m&m?

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Go for it.

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To Brown, what was that that's the biggest fail to listen

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to one pick a different My answer

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to them the Yeah.

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Do you don't want to hear my I'm trying to think of this file? Oh yeah, well one that I like is talking about is when I was working at the fire brigade in the media department and it was I think was Karen downs or something I went to like their one of their training places and it was like a, wherever it was, it was like over an hour's drive. And I am packed all the gear up and I drove to the, to the location. I was like a trainee or whatever. I'm casting the car what it would have been like radio because I'd like my Ford laser, which would have been like a 1997 Ford laser or whatever. So I didn't have sort of the connectivity

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type into the disciplined

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I never did the type like into the, you know, whatever. Now I was very much radio. But anyway, so I got there. I was really proud of myself because I went up to the main trainer and was explaining, hey, I'm here to film this or that sort of thing. really sort of break came in on like, this is how it's going to go this one going to do. So I said now next I'm just going to go to the car and set up and I'll and then we can go. And I went and opened the camera bag and I'd forgotten to put the camera in the bag.

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What was the feeling was I know, she lives

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I was like,

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it did feel like the bag felt like did I feel that it's almost like it was it. I feel like that happens with laptops and stuff sometimes, you know, like your backpack, you grab it and then it's like, you have the moment of did I put my but you get used to whatever the weight of your bag is.

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So the mistake you made again after

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the fact so I had to call but the great thing was so what what did you do? What did I do? I told them I wasn't just gonna pretend right you

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know, I I

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The good thing was I remember I was even I was an intern there. I was quite overqualified. And so I always prided myself on being the just like everyone else like the media producer. And so it was the one moment where I like really LinkedIn was an intern. So I was just like, I called up my boss who I used to. I used to have these talks to him, like I felt like I was like 20 years old, I was a little bit obnoxious. And so I would like have these conversations with my boss of like, Michael, you know, you don't seem happy in this role. You know, why you why you you know, if you are, you know, he would my favourite thing about him was hit print every email he'd ever get. Folders

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knocking so far.

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So when I when I arrived in the department, they had just received a six month audit of how the department was going, and it wasn't good. And so he's days was spent going through this document, with pen, doing rebuttals for the whole thing. He was preparing this whole thing and I remember saying like, look, I think like your wife would support you if you like, like

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indulging you like,

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She's good. He can find the emotional into somebody. So

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I said but then I called my karma. I've made a big mistake is a learning I mean, this is what happens when you like in turn wages. You know I was thinking like an intern I've done the intern thing. And he was like, Yeah, cool. I do fine with it. Because he was like stressing out about responding to the audit and what he his name, that's what did you need to shoot? So what I ended up going back another day to film and it was like, it's very cool. That's like, two awesome projects I worked on. At the MFP. One of them was the high angle rescue team training. So I filmed on the top of the Sofitel them abseiling down or whatever, just cold like on the top of the roof on top Filming

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that was cool we also do Don't mistake him with the guy who's actually going down

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and down I was like guys surely I need a harness. The other one was a DP World which is like the big cranes and stuff for the shipping containers, whatever. Like,

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yeah, over your way they barnacles and giraffes, like they look like giraffes over the West guy, you know,

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everything that happens over the web,

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just open your eyes look left or right. They look like in the distance these big giraffe and they get up and they send down and I got to

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be Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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but they but yeah, so there was that but then the training. When I went back it was stressful because I was an old like sewage plant. And so they had gutted out the these being concrete containers that house shooting them. They would run sure Oh shit. Yeah, that would that would do trying stuff. And what they would do was they, I was filming and they had her up in the middle of this big concrete dome. with hardly any light. There's probably like 20 recruits or whatever, all there. And they liked the high. And we watched the smoke, slowly move, they'll showing how smoke reacts within a space. And they were like doing things where you feel the temperature of the smoke. So as it was there, there's a huge heat difference between being here and there. But the crazy bit was, as I'm filming this, I'm looking around and everyone's wearing a mask, but I wasn't wearing and so I was just like, should I be wearing a mask? Yeah. But I'm like, No, I'm saying it. And so I was just like, kept dipping down and dead. And so there was a point where it's like, I'm on the craft. And then I got out but that was that was fun. Was that the last day?

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Did you quit that job? What was hard, you

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know, I always go out with a bang. Yeah, it's sort of a bit of a mantra. And the MFA, then I had a water out of burnt bridge. But the way that the way that is the way accident was I got this great opportunity to be an assistant editor on a feature film. And it was I needed my annual leave. It was like a 12 month contract that I was on. And they told me keep your annual leave near the end of your contract, because what most interns will do is they will take it at the end as a way of so transitioning on to another to another role. And so I was 10 months in, and I was like, Hey, can I I just got this opportunity. We're like, hey, we'll pay you for time to work on this thing. And so I went to my boss, and I was like, Hey, I just had this great opportunity. He's like, no, sorry, we need you. And so I like cracked it and went above him to the manager who was managing that whole audit and say Hi I'm getting he's saying he's not going to give me my certificate if I turn to it and then so that boss he's Boston went team said, Hi Josh can do this thing that ended up that guy had a meltdown. And then he took sick life. And so I was how we ended up sort of fishy, but I mean, on the guy

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was already struggling. Yeah.

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So anyway, yeah, so I was a little asshole, but I think that was a bit 5050 I think you had this like extremely dysfunctional sort of setting. It was sort of hilarious. You had this like office where there's literally like four people. And they were doing production. They were basically doing a weekly TV show, just for fireese. Right. And so all the fire stations had fibre optic cable, and so they could live stream the show and I would have people from Channel Nine who would actually do the footy show like the cameras Coming on this day and would film host but the thing is that because of the unions and the management, they all hated each other. And so it was really hard. So no, no one would watch the show because it was all like man management propaganda. And so it was called fire vision. I think it still exists as though some lovely people that work there as well. I wonder if

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there's one if there's any clips online of it, I like that easy, easy slide, it would be really interesting. Like, think about all the content that would have been made early days. It's now

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cycles right? archive also. So there was a great guy who was a historian. I grew older, I remember I got a great photo of him and he would just go through all the old tapes, and was really into history. It was actually the old it was in North Fitzroy and they've actually knocked all them down. That was a place that Derek thought that there was like asbestos issues because they had all the sprinklers on all the time, so that the dust would stay is settled. But um, anyway,

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can I ask about

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is a loaded question

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Is there a little bit of a vindictive streak within me I'm noticing the name that's coming up like this person did this I bought the

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domain name

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not that many anymore but I know definitely and I think that like I grew up a little bit as like this not outside but I was like different and so when you different you either can lean into it and I like to do yeah yeah i think that sort of like I linked into it or whatever but when you're a kid and you're doing this so like I was friends with all the teachers I had great relationship but there was it was so easy for me being in the staff room to also create have enemies as teachers as well. So you have you have everything because like wise Joe, I just want to have my lunch in pace and Joshua.

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Saw it from a teacher. Watch behaviour wouldn't fly these days. Like how closely people with Students, teachers with students,

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I don't know, I think relationship is essential to be able to like I think it's so linked to behaviour. So being able to get the best because I'm a primary school teacher and sort of in my later years I've specialised in welfare. So I've been working with kids who struggled to sort of fit into what the group plan is within their classroom, whether it's because of disability, whether it's because they gifted or behavioural issues or whatever, but every single case, it's about relationship and trying to find that connection point with that kid, whatever. point you have him in the staff room.

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Well, yeah, you can't really have them in the cellar.

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Like, we could look after Josh, because he's,

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you know, you would totally be the kid that I would have with me on the big deal. Yeah.

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Thinking about that kid, like, what's the observation not a judgement on them? But what's the name servation. From the teachers perspective of Is it a friendship with

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my favourite teacher, she my best friend She said like she likes my stuff on Instagram a friendship right? Now I remember when I was robbed of school captaincy. And so I ended up getting school captain in year 12.

33:12
But when you bought the domain name

33:16
when I when I was in you 10. So you seven to 10 hours at one school and then you go on to the senior college for year 11 and 12. And so you tend they have school captains. And I was the youngest ever SRC president in year right. So I was only in the school for a year before I took that that was not my role for you tension. And so as you are waiting, thank you. So I was

33:39
the 10 students didn't apply now what they did

33:43
for me because my whole thing was unlike Yeah, you can get a year 10 student but they're going to be out next year. I can actually build this thing hashtag 10 years. Let's do 10 years.

33:53
I think I think teachers would look at you and be really like find you endearing? Yeah, yeah, like you'd be the kid with the clipboard who's like telling them all If you just look over this Scott has been in the inappropriate area

34:08
are also human. Yeah, no. No. Because the thing was just to finish off the captaincy thing. And so in year 10, I applied for school captain. To be fair, I was also on the committee. I onion nine helping to decide who was going to be school Captain as an SRC president. I was one of six votes to determine who was I would have plastic pockets on every single person who would apply and I would like and there was one guy remember Ben DWANE. He loved doing quotes. And it was like I was very impressed with just highlighting just like all the quotes that have like a famous people they says like, you know, if I'm school captain, I would do as you know, and then setting set anyway in your 10 I applied and there was talk of like, no one else was applying. And the vice principal went to a student and said, Why, hey, why haven't you applied for school captaincy? And he said, Josh Janssen, we know that Josh Janssen is going to get it anyway. And she said, I think you should really apply. Now she was on the committee. And sure enough, he got school captain. And it was she ever been a bonnet about you? Well, she, she was, she was the one. It was it was one of those ones where it was like an interesting relationship. She was my employer because I worked at school as well in school holidays. Also, she was the one that gave me I had a conversation in the nine where I said, I was doing a channel 31 show that I was editing. And I was doing 30 hours a week. And so every time I get home from school, and the producer from Chelsea what would be sitting on my doorstep with tapes and I would go home and capture them and what sort of thing and I wasn't doing anything Homework. And she said, Josh, you know, this is happening from all director, all the teachers saying you're not doing your homework. I said, Look, Adele, I've got appropriate mask names. That's good. It's all good.

36:14
I don't, I've got a full time job outside of here. Like, I'm working. I'm working 30 hours a week. And she said, If you cut down what would it take for you to cut down your hours? I said, Look, Adele. If I was to cut down my hours, I don't have a job anymore. It's either all or nothing.

36:34
You know how this works?

36:38
And she's saying I was um, I think it's gonna work. I said, How about this, I said, with my sauce, a presidency and also think it's a lot of work. German isn't complete waste of time. I've got no interest in working, living or doing business with Germany.

36:54
And he was talking in German.

36:58
I'm sorry, I just had the blow up with the Eckstein, a school teacher who was zapped with a pen. And so she was we had a coordinator come in saying she could have died because we use one of those trick pens and so on. Yeah, so those those ethics Exactly. So it's tension and so I said, Look, you take the load off the plate. I that's we free that up. Holding quick this this role, but then it gives me time to do admin amongst all that sort of thing. So she agreed. So I have a feeling that by doing making that agreement, and being a strong negotiator, there was two things that happen. I think that she didn't want me to be school Captain Fine, whatever. But also,

37:39
yeah, because she knows the future of the other bit was your German.

37:45
Dutch different but the the bit I think, I think the main thing and this is what a net. My teacher slash friend said is, let's be honest, they know that whether you're vice captain or school Captain You can do all the work anyway. I said, and then if I can write, so I did, I did hold up the whole thing. I wrote all the things, I did it all as I, and then the new 12 I got school and that's how losing

38:12
is winning.

38:14
It's amazing how you've been a hustler from the start. All of that has led you to this point, which is pretty cool. But also I think he would have been a bloody annoying

38:21
definitely. And I yeah, there was also very, very quickly the one time where I filmed variety night and spent money on hiring two cameras and all that sort of thing. And I put them up this is 2005 I put them up on youtube youtube, it only just started and the principal had found out that I'd put them online did they know that you're filming? Obviously they knew that filming and I just never imagined that it could go online right. And so I uploaded them all and the the principal was away on a conference and the coordinator came in said Josh, you're gonna have to take them down. Mike wine Mikey, they have permission and so contacted an organisation called arts law Australia, spoke to a lawyer and they said, Look, if you get release forms from all the kids, you'll be fine. And so I went and got release forms and got them their parents and guardians to sign it all. brought them back. On the Monday, the principal calls me and said, Josh, you haven't taken it down. It's getting serious now. And I said, so I've been speaking to my lawyers. I handed out the release forms. Yeah. Yeah, it's I think I took some of it. Anyway,

39:37
it's a real pattern carry character.

39:39
It's good fun.

39:42
Yeah, it makes it makes things fun.

39:44
I think it is. I loved the teachers as well. There was heaps of teachers that will I didn't love you.

39:49
The like I had really solid, great relationships. I think that also I probably played perfectly in To the politics of the school because I had the teachers I liked and the teachers I didn't like. And they it all sort of worked out quite well. But the teachers that I liked, didn't like those. And so it was if you

40:12
if you're looking at them as games, you're playing the game of the teachers, which is the game that you're actually playing mind. Yeah, they're probably

like, your PS game is hard. You know, like I just did back

40:31
from that. Well, I'm saying this. The other day, I had friends based on I would do all the filming. And so the thing is, if you want to be in the video, you've got to be like, at least nice to me. And so I'd go right like so I was actually at least

40:50
like I think this is a really good opportunity for some kind of sharp, like a story and narrative about this kid who controls the whole school like this, you know, that is a good one. 1030 I was thinking,

41:00
I was thinking that I think we had this idea about a year ago, TJ, that we go back to our old school this

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year just be for you. Because I don't have that. I don't know where it goes, like you burn bridges. When you're leaving the school, like there's nothing to you know, you don't really have relationships,

41:18
you don't even know how to speak here. It would be fun to get some of these teachers because I think about the amount of conversations that I had with these teachers. And I was even like, I get such a kick out of saying the emails that I would send the teacher after finishing school just like giving them updates like on all the students as well. So Tom, you know, any other day at the shopping centre? Exactly what you would expect is

41:47
your firstborn child.

41:48
No last last. I'm the youngest of how many kids right okay, yeah,

41:53
yeah, okay, because I'm seeing this is classic first one behaviour, you know, like that wanting to be sort of one of the adults part of the

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Every single time we would have a, like a family sort of event, mom would always lecture me when would get in the car about because I'd always hang with the adults, but then I would infuriate her every even more because as would leave I'd say, All right, I'm off to get lectured by mom about how annoying I've been today.

42:23
Which was really good.

42:25
The other thing too is I also liked adult food. So I'd be out to be eating all the expensive like, you know, dips and stuff. And mom I remember she'd be like Josh around the dips and should say it's not cold scope. Robin dip with a with a single conch if I could finish the whole

42:47
fall lifted. And Josh is teachers on the live stream.

42:51
Now, Jimmy, she said hello friends. Hey, damn right, a deal joined and sorted Molly from New Zealand, UK and I'm Molly from New Zealand. ditch. Well, yeah, we very cathartic. There is something about going I know it's not good for you guys because you just have to listen. Which is that sociopathy me but i think it's it's fun

43:13
that the teachers that are all in therapy as well

43:16
finding their way nice but like what you because when layout like finishing up at the school with the relationships that you created with the kids that you were, you know sad to let go off

43:31
yeah I think he always care that's the thing and it's funny because sometimes on Facebook randomly a kid who I taught a while ago will friend that try and friend me on facebook but absolutely not. Yeah, exactly. I feel bad. But I'm just like, I just don't know, even though it's been like, you know, maybe five years or eight years. I'm just like, I'm not sure. But you do care. You always care. And you always remember about certain things. And yeah, I think if you've lived in that school community, there is something magic about it. And you know, everyone knows everyone There's that, you know, I think there's power in that routine and the beautiful community. It's really lovely. And now that I say it, I'm like, why did I leave? Vegas?

44:08
Did you have a consistent class? Or because you were doing the welfare stuff? You didn't

44:12
do it? I had classes in my early years. Yes, I had like to upgrade to for a while. And then moving on, I started doing like behaviour and social intervention. So it's like you're struggling in the playground? Josh, you don't seem to have any friends. So what can we do? What kind of things can you do?

44:29
and wanting you out of the staff

44:30
to actually say, would they would you be as directed

44:33
a debate, they'd be having different social issues, and then you'd have a chance to, you know, get alongside them and make a plan for them as to how they're going to work. There was some kids so you do like a plan for play because when they went outside, it would just be like that fight with everyone or they couldn't deal with the sort of unstructured ness of the yard. So you'd go Okay, let's make a plan for play for you. What are you going to do first, and what you go, that's right. And then if that goes wrong, what's your plan B and just waking out over those kind of things. You know

45:00
what to say to you? Is no plan B. Plan B. Tim Ferriss

45:08
not interested at all Toby. What's school campaigns like in 2019?

45:15
Well, the one one of the schools that I was working at it was all parent generated so that there was parents who would be getting there. What do you call it three set for in food prep, and they'd actually be cooking meals for lunchtime that the kids could watch all they were doing. They had like a bag bowl, and they'd use the community garden that we had to make, you know, for them

45:35
and then making money with the

45:38
Yeah, yeah, they get a qualification. It's about upskilling the community.

45:41
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I get it, but like the new world we're in is pretty hard for a lot of people. So Who the fuck is time to be a part of those campaign? Is it like a giveback thing like,

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they'd be grandparents who were doing it

45:58
at school and they sort of like between nine Three, you know, they've got little kids and they want to be part of that. So yeah, I'm about to be a school parent next year, actually. So I'm on the other side of it. And that's interesting as well. I felt like the other day I dropped my son off for that practice prep, you know, like when they practice the whole thing. And I was looking around the other parents feeling like I'm a school kid again, like, he's gonna be my friend. And you I can tell you the popular one, because you're like your mom who's dressed in like, really nice clothes like you're wearing. So you have to find that.

46:28
Yeah, there's a lot of anxieties around like the talk about school and shit. The biggest problem for me was seeing how I can transition out of this thing that is like, it's every day it's such a structure, then what's the what's my other option like? And that's why I think kids struggle, the transition out of school for 13 years in Australia, prep to 12. And then finding some kind of like, what's the other option, the easiest is uni because it's some kind of structure, but if you go straight out of that,

47:00
It's pretty tough. How did you find the transition? My co the most recently transitioned?

47:05
Yeah, yeah, you do you do sort of like it's a struggle to fill your time and stuff because it's just like everything. You've got no idea what to do. It's just all in front of you. And it's just so overwhelming. But I think having having some sort of work helps so much because that that brings back all the structure that you need. So I think that was probably the biggest thing. Yeah,

47:28
I'm learning then new learning.

47:31
There's so much power and having some way to base and then I feel like I've learned that over time when you got here today. That's

47:40
like it. I reckon. I made school completely different to what any up like

47:47
my surviving, yeah.

47:50
styling your environment. Yeah,

47:52
the thing was, like I didn't, I probably only went to 50% of my classes. And I feel like normally like if you didn't go to 50% in classes, which probably didn't You would have been getting in a bunch of trouble. The mail is like, I'm getting a letter from the drama teacher decided that Josh needs to do extra time to production. But then I'm also reaching out to this. So I'd have like six notes from all the different teachers, and they weren't all talking and so before you know what you've actually, you're only going to the classes that you want to go to,

48:21
I think is it parent, it's also like, isn't worry about what is your kid gonna be like, yet a kid? What do they lock it? Yeah. Do they? Do they find the resilience in that? That way? They approach?

48:35
Yeah, I don't think if I was I mean, I'm not planning on having kids. But if I was to have a kid, I think that it would be I think like the house Stein, I think like I think I just want to do it allow for different thinking. However, I would also want to make sure that it wasn't in something that was to status driven from education point of view, so I wouldn't want to put them in a position Where there are but like, I want them to be mixing with all different types of people. And I guess that the hard thing is, it seems unfortunately, like there is a gap between quality or not even quality of education. I think like if you want to standard education in the current system, that's faily a call. But where it gets different is, if I, if I was to take a kid to a different type of school, I would say that you're getting a certain type of parent who's bringing their kids there, which sort of creates a different world.

49:33
Yeah, there's so much to consider. And all of that isn't there. We sort of have my husband and I had this discussion about all of that he's really concerned about, yeah, if you go to a place that's completely privileged, how much do kids then understand and learn about all the different, you know, facets of people in society and all those things. Anyway, I don't know if that's right or wrong, but we have made the decision to kind of go local Primary School for primary school and then for high school to sort of gauge Where the three are at and choose different, like, you know, like schools for them. You know, like if someone's really excelling at music to try and hopefully have the funds to be able to support that, you know, like to choose the different paths for high school. That's sort of where we're at. But who knows, I mean, there's so much to consider at the moment, it's just focusing on fitting in at prep.

50:19
It's almost there's something in getting your outfit on it I think there's also something in Yeah, having the ability to do extra curricular activities like not being so stretched in regards to a family of spending so much money on school fees. Like what I was gonna say

50:38
gives me anxiety thinking about this shit. Like I'm so I'm not there yet. I can't even put myself in the place there. It gives me a bad feeling.

50:47
I guess the thing is, do you need cash, to have a really great fulfilling life? And I think the answer is no. And so like, the best thing I think my parents did for me wallet like I went to you know, A school that was considered like a low socio economic school or whatever, we had great facilities and things. But then in the final year 11 and 12 they paid for me to do like VCA film and TV foundations outside of school. And I was able to actually like, it was almost that stepping stone. So when I left school, I could straight away going into the thing I want. And so I guess that's almost like, Is it like an exchange programme? Like those things I think is super exciting.

51:28
Well, if the kid likes that, because they were could you could have a kid that likes structure and sport and doesn't go into school. Like some kids are, like, wait, if I parented Bodie, exactly how I am. It doesn't. I haven't accounted for who he

51:41
we gotta listen, you gotta say, what do you think she's the structured type?

51:45
I don't know. Yeah. So yeah.

51:47
Do you just provide different chances and opportunities and see what sticks? Like that's kind of what we're doing at the moment. So this is doing like Junior life saving and he's like, a little bit like, I don't know if I want to do this and then it's like, that's okay. Like, let's just try it. A chance really to be a part of the community and learn about what you know, like those kind of things, but I'm not gonna push it if he's like, this is ruining my life.

52:06
Is there anything that you guys look at and say, I wish that I did this as a kid? I wish my parents had done those one thing.

52:13
Yeah, I wish that they that I'd done like music like keys and in guitar, because I grew up sort of doing singing lessons, but I feel like what is the point if you kind of company? Yeah, so I definitely you know, that's a good discipline thing as well. I think. I wish

52:31
mom and dad investing the holiday house

52:34
knows we would have been down there.

52:39
Nothing that was interesting. When I was in prep I wanted I was really keen to learn guitar. And I said, Oh, right. Yeah, I can actually remember that. Yeah. And so like Mr. Dance and my guitar, I my parents had a guitar. That was my brothers, but they said that my hands went big enough to do it. Use six, your five and so they said

heavy bass real but no I am they then said no you can't do that but do piano instead you can do that a younger age I fucking hated it and I was like it was annoying because it was like they're like no you can't fit in here but you could do this I just remember I was always like saying the mama like the lady's house smells Where are

53:31
you gonna do shit you don't like to do because that's life as you go around it how much stuff do you do that you don't like it's

53:38
amazing you start with a blank slate basically with the kid don't you apart from like there's little bits like even last night my son was like crying about losing a game we're playing poisoned ball and it's like oh yeah, like that whole thing like teaching them it's okay like often you weren't when I you know like don't feel bad mom's not that even great at catching a ball.

54:00
Driving and I said ninja Leno's which is the name of an enemy and PJ PJ magic ninja people and they throw splats anyway, I said if you want Sticky, sticky spots across it, it's pretty cool. They throw the stickies to the wall. Great.

54:22
Spider man's. Yeah, this is what you're waiting. He's I've seen buddy watching it.

54:27
Yeah. And so uh, but I said so but he says ninja Leno's like this ninja ninos because he can't say it. And I said, oh God want to put the ninja ninos song on. So I said it the way he does, it's not Nina ninos and I said how is it and he was trying to say it and he was getting so upset because he knew how it sounded. But he couldn't say it. And it was the first moment he's ever been like, I encouraged him when he sitting in the queue. I'm like, now it's nearly ninos. It's okay, but he found that he was shot started. Sit mentioned realising he can't fucking talk properly. Yeah, I mean, that's a weekly oh my gosh,

55:05
my friend recently not recently maybe when we're near 12 so recently at all who am I kidding? But she had this moment where she realised it wasn't heart kindness. She thought it was her because her parents had always done like that rhyming slang. I mean she literally thought it was cold heart Kangas and I was like, but what like it hangs a coat oh my gosh, I can't real

55:26
moment we have a 20 year old in the room who thinks it's still

55:30
sweet so I mean, I've heard him say Smits.

55:33
So we just call it crumb chicken.

55:40
Snack to

55:42
get a snack to explain snack 10 on its way when your parents can be bothered cooking tasty. You have a snack?

55:49
Last night? Yeah,

55:50
yeah, it's like it's like carrots and red peppers sticks.

55:54
Yeah.

56:01
Like I said, were you doing science? I'm having snack tea. I just it's so cute isn't it? gives you But you said it in a way there's

56:09
a snack tea. Yes.

56:10
It's all normal to him. Thank you so much for coming in.

56:14
You're gonna you're going to bask

56:16
now. I'm going to interview Harrison Craig, who was the second winner of the void. I think for the second series, I had him

56:23
on the show and shipping. I'm gonna ask him about you. He wouldn't remember. He remembers. I'll give him a prize.

56:31
layer and I heard him saying event. Right? Yes, that's on the 14th of December.

56:37
Yes, friend. It's at 10am at Melbourne museum not afraid.

56:41
It's gronk. Free for kids. 30 bucks for adults.

56:46
You know, I think because it's Black Friday. Yeah, discount at the moment to get tickets. Yeah. Harrison's going to be performing. So today, he and I are going to make some promo videos. I'm gonna do

56:55
a bit of busking. He's got the voice of an angel.

56:57
He does. He's beautiful. So what songs are you gonna do?

56:59
Well, this is what I Is there anyone on the live stream Can you give me some Christmas carol ideas because he has to change I want to make him change the words to Christmas carols to be promotional

57:09
song are gryce I get you to

57:15
change it. Yeah,

57:15
a write a script. It's like am speaks inspecting how they get a have a passage in a book.

57:20
Yes. They read the specs and specs as it just all right.

57:24
Pretty sure. Yeah, I see it on TV. It's at my parents house. I see you going but yeah, write a script and then get into do it to fails.

57:32
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Jingle Bells.

57:34
puppet Tom Tom.

57:35
Yes. Yeah.

57:44
You guys are like Harrison Craig is it's your parents fault.

No, Josh did piano sorry. You guys could do a duet you sing he plays,

58:03
buddy. I can't do I could do chopsticks.

58:08
Doing costume changes

58:09
it would be great. I'm trying to work out what to wear. But we need to work out the way you Lulu lemon

58:15
shorty shorts needed God I do like if we can if we can help our vision to like

58:26
think like I'm just be comfortable I think it's good for my back.

58:31
Boss your parents have nothing to do with it but I do

58:33
wear skinny jeans. You actually skinny jeans you're pulling your whole body down

58:40
to the short shorts or nothing.

58:43
I'm trying to work out what the mid Twain is.

58:45
Yeah, okay.

58:46
The jeans. These are skinny, skinny. But they're not they're like so comfy. Like I came from looking like this every single day being pushed to try you know You don't have an excuse you're not a PT you're not working in the fitness industry.

59:06
Now I get it now I would definitely today's for Black Friday sorry I'm going to buy the quad Lock Case by quad Lock Case but also going to look at potential clothes because I am find it easy to buy

59:23
t shirts

59:25
by tops and stuff pants. Are you going to go have a shot I have to try them on

59:29
jet like I tried and four pairs before I got so annoyed but like admin wise to do

59:34
it. Why haven't I This isn't a

59:36
year ago. When I got my jet I've got I've got one pair of jeans. He's just given up. Yeah, well, they're in my bag. I always have like the president from the US. And if someone important comes I'm not saying you're not important, Josh. Thanks

59:53
a lot. I'm

59:54
guessing I was someone that's would care. We can't what

59:58
would the it would cooperate diffusive spending your Sunday at 4pm a person coming in are still gonna wear put them on. be drunk. It's just a personal

1:00:09
Can you pretend that you're going to be active? Like I feel like

1:00:13
I'm wearing active where I'm like, I just gotta you know, but I don't necessarily do it.

1:00:17
Yeah, sure. Are you wearing going to the school? What

1:00:22
kind of practice prep I really made sure I work and nice dress with a belt. And my ex I wanted them to think I'm a responsible parent, much

1:00:28
like pa nation and stuff, but like what were people wearing?

1:00:31
I noticed it was a few ladies who had full makeup and like jagad clothes on. They had you know, like they're really nice active player. And I was like, in that group, how do we get in that group?

1:00:44
Yeah, it's probably blacked out the front.

1:00:47
Squat all the time. It sounds very stressful.

1:00:50
Yeah. Well, thank you for bringing some

1:00:53
smash that we haven't really smashed the trade.

1:00:56
Off the show. We've been having structured fun. It's been amazing. Episode structured.

1:01:01
If your business I'm on video production rageous at hybridoma talks calm we're trying to like tell people what we do now. Yeah, we're working with your husband. testimonial What is he saying so far so

1:01:13
far? He is loving it. Okay, great. He feels a bit nervous on camera. That's fine, but I think you guys are putting him at ease. That's good. That's what we want

1:01:22
to say tomorrow guys for waiting Banta say guys,

1:01:25
I