- April 5, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we’re joined by our mate Stacey June. Stacey has recently opened a new chapter of her life by starting another podcast called The Stacey June Show.
Our Fat Fridays order
Porn addiction and sex life
Alternative medicine and therapy
Delusions and reality
Vulnerability and honesty
The distinction between content and life
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 309 going on Stacy Jones
Hey guys, I hate odd numbers that's not a good style. She's one of
those people I don't have much chakra vibes what I should
Australian provides from an odd number call okay
What? What is shocker factors is seven of them and he has someone has a Michael Jackson's daughter, Paris. Jackson has them down her spine.
Imagine Jessica is gonna get one of those soon. Yeah,
I could imagine that. I need them all in alignment.
Yeah, I'm concentrating on my root chakra at the moment more getting your word
it's a it's a new pair of names. So the area between your beat and your ass
that's what everyone
if you lift that beat off in the scheming there, that's just not quite the crack.
That's the coach. That's the man Ah, okay.
Do we have the same little space though?
Well, I mean mines occupied by a bowl sack.
There was a space there that we all had similar.
I think is that the muscle besides seven Can you go exercise?
squeeze your bomb right there, Mr. 97. That's
doing some key. Yeah, that's and that's your root chakra. If you can feel the right at the bottom of your spine. Yeah, and I'm working on that. I'm trying to activate that at the moment for men a myriad of reasons. How would how would
one go about activating
you kind of try and send energy there. So if you concentrate on it, and you you start to flex it a little bit don't like tighten it, just subtly flex it a bit you'll start to feel energy there. So don't get too far away because I don't know how that works.
It's also one of the treatments for premature ejaculation is it legal exercises? Yeah, just start squeezing let releasing squeeze into training winter
I mean the thing is you could be on the train and watch someone and you wouldn't
do them any way. I guess I would definitely
I we need to point out the fact that if you're watching the video yeah he's got yes I said the Stacy's Sonny's on
a lot of people quite fascinated by that shape.
Yeah, definitely. It looks like a butterfly. So imagine having butterfly wings on each one of your eyes.
A lot of Ben's my husband's best mates it looks like it isn't a Mustang or some kind of car that goes like up
people but I think so yeah the back of the Chevy looks like a candy maybe is that a special shape that if people saw it they're like oh that's premium that's that's a Chloe
two for 28 cotton on it. Yeah.
Should we forgot to say Happy fat Friday? Oh yeah, he's fat Friday and thanks for you're in town I am When did you fly in
And obviously First off is always the daily talk show it's
quite it can be coming
Yeah, I did asked I said to Stacey, I was messaging with you and I said if it's too much like we can do it another time that invites always open and your initial response was haha I think I know what she was laughing too because I saw that she uses somebody that might be hard and then you sit out you sit down name of straight easy
you both wrong I am I was in the middle of something
I was writing haha and then went to write another message but was preoccupied and didn't the haha was very linked to the second message so the haha just came and then I didn't write the second message for another hour and a half
Come on anytime you
told me that it would be such a different experience.
Oh, what does that mean? I didn't glasses emoji back to me Look, he pulled out a shocker chat and said I don't know what's happening here but they're out of alignment. Stacey said haha don't know what's happening. I'm trying to channel
what you need me the names from
someone punch me in the goat.
Mr. 97 can you please bring over what we have fat Friday. Now I know the Josh I don't know. Part of the thread. I just saw donuts. And I just
wrote down at Okay, very came late and then come down when if you want tried to pull it back play it cool. So
I know you've lived out of state and every
state where you grew up washington dc
for quite some time, and I don't know if you're around for the loon phenomenon. No, you don't know about this. Do
you know about this I die and I mean there's so many phenomenons to keep up with from Melbourne that you just get a you start swimming in a beach and you stop giving Yeah,
well the smell of this phenomenon is relating to food so so
what has been here in Melbourne like donuts of coal. That was huge for a while
when we were working together and shipping because I remember coming to like coming to Melbourne on the weekend you're trying to find those spots that have opened and people have lines there and blah blah
What else is there dumplings like all these kind of had the peak some last others don't don't have to die is what I'm saying. don't join outside did
actually you rise because the second Krispy Kreme got into 711 you knew that there'd been a movement and it was not a good yeah you know what what are you doing I the branding behind that like as soon as I hit 711 random they just lost their work like for me what is it we're no longer premium? They would like this what I don't know
I lined up years ago for all the in Victoria when they when they came and so I I've seen the whole demise. I remember yelling at them because they would limiting it to two dozen donuts per person. And I turned around and I screamed to my friend behind me said how many you getting? He said one dozen. I said oh he's either one.
And did they give it to you did so I had three dozen.
Then I got hi Josh
Why have you brought
exercise your rise? It's like that conversation around and I don't ordering a children's meal. You know, it's on that new Ricky Gervais
series where he says I will the child's mail and then the waitress says you can't you're an adult. And he said, Well, I'm sitting with the child. What if he orders to children's meals and she's like, That's cheating. And he's like, but might this child wants to children's meals. And sure enough, she brings him back and he just shoves the meal and he's face rotten face and she thought
we were doing the Josh when we were in Brisbane filming that stuff a day vo and we staying this hotel, we went downstairs and I was on a lane diet, no carbs. So I just wanted sides, right? I just wanted, like different sides. So I wanted two eggs. I want a bacon, I want an avocado, five to five to five. If I did this, some of it. It was like 30 bucks. If I paid for individual sites, there was a meal that was 15 bucks, which was eggs, bread, and avocado something. So what I ended up doing was like so hang on, hang on. What if I take what he's getting? So I just add on all the sides to his menu to his meal? Then I can get it cheaper?
What's the sides were less expensive if you are adding to every meal rather than if you're the one Yes, yes.
So if you just got the sides from the side section, it's
got to entertain this stuff for a long time.
Why we miss 97 Why? Why am I back on? What am I talking about food always because he's obsessed. He's addicted. And it can it can be a bit annoying at times, but you just
hang around people are addicted to things you say you are addicted all the time.
To things according to porn.
That's an epidemic I feel became a joke about that anymore. It's such a big deal. Really? I think sorry.
What have you experienced? What have you seen
anything firsthand? But I just find that there's the big secret of like, it's like how is was such an issue for such a long time. And then everyone became aware of it, but it was kind of too light. Yeah, I feel like this could be the thing with porn. Yeah. Everyone's got this real secret kind of thing. Or maybe even Instagram. And then it all of a sudden, bang. It's an issue to light light. People catch it too late. I've
been down the rabbit hole on YouTube watching. I quit porn videos. Really? Yeah, they do really well. It's because you've you've quit porn.
I keep a you quit. Quit porn. And so you had a porn problem?
Sounds like it Why would you quit unless you had a fully blonde? Sort of if it was affecting work, I quit porn. It can be a stance of saying I'm no longer going to watch porn ever again. It can be that doesn't mean that you have it was outrageous. So like my social media stuff. But I can tell you
that it can become a bit of a the same flicks that from the brain. Yeah, that you start to kind of do things dumbfounded you just doing it like and then all of a sudden, yeah, show there's a different result. But
like method idea.
No, it's there's diminishing returns in watching porn. I will say that there is what does that mean? There is a lot of return on quitting it in terms of if you're in a long term relationship.
Yeah, I think you're onto something.
There's a few things I've thought is like, I haven't seen a woman naked other than my wife for a long time. Now you've stopped grabbing me by the neck this one which is
backing back Josh but that's the whole problem with
no problem. Yeah, it's one one factor. Yeah. I think Tommy's more coming, you know, kind of open one conversation. You know, it was that Yeah, the naked thing. But the the Yeah, the aggressions definitely.
I even think my I'm attractive. My wife always have been a lover. But I definitely seen testimonial now that I'm prefacing the fact that I think you lose something. And that's the diminishing returns a point you were saying other things extent like saying, getting satisfaction, visually stimulating you from an external source. And so it's like, if you had a tank, and you know, you're watching porn, it's sort of losing water in the tank. It's like, that sounds way because
here, I'm more attracted, and have had more physical interaction with my wife since stopping,
but it it's also really important, I think, to not have sex, lose that connection element. That's I think the big thing is that you start to get kind of off from something that is in connection, and especially for cheeks. That's such a big part of the pleasure part is that connection. So when guys aren't really looking for that in return, then you kind of joined together if you're a straight couple, and you're really offside, straight out, you know? So I think, Yeah, I agree with you in that your sex life would completely change if you press stop. And that's why I went down there. I'm not interested. I'm interested.
But I'm just like, I'm trying to work out like, where the, because I tend to like I like pushing the line on these things and saying how, because I get interested. So I just want to ask more questions. You still like? Yeah, yeah. Every now and then
it's interesting conversation with relationship. So I haven't, I'm in a pretty newish one. Even though we're married, it's doing the two years and I still am kind of, is it my right to ask if he's doing that? Hello, often? Is that a conversation that I'm involved in? Or is it something that he has a right to do? Occasionally, or however, you know, align with relationships, if you're not having intimacy, and he's waking up? It could be an issue? Yeah, right. When the sex stops is when the conversation starts you think
and I don't think it's it the issue might not be with you. The issue might be with within a pattern of the man working all the time, actually stimulating yourself, because I know I've done it then I'm I need to do anything. I don't need to have the intimacy now because I've had that. And then I think as a young I don't know if you're the only single book in the room is 97 you can form a pattern of masturbation as a young man
woman. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
myself as a young man,
but I think that you know, there's such an interesting conversation and masturbation and chicks because there's all this research that's come out that it is such a helper towards anxiety. So then is meditation
full circle will be the title of the
Mr. Miss nice 70 they teach in school? Do they teach you in sex ed? Do they mentioned at all about porn? Are you at still at school?
is the closest person to school this appropriately?
Got 90 and 97? Eight and
we're not talking about into scores. I
know she got really hot.
I know I just got no interest in an end to score
the most. Oh, just awful conversation. I'm happy for you but I'm not interested.
But education on porn. Did they mention it at all in sex ed or no? Not really. It was more just around like safe sex and contraception and that sort of thing preventing stos what STI CCS that sort of thing Yeah,
right and did you it is a lot of SCI that it was it was though did they open up that conversation with it really quite broad?
No, I mean there they went they went specific on a few but I mean, yeah, they're plenty of them that they didn't I guess discuss
sitting up sitting back from the mic time to get uncomfortable.
So good. Bring it back to loan This is actually an integrated pace.
Learn it's not just first of all Yeah, because donuts a date is Josh said it's a Dead
Rising is what it is. Yeah, you can't get there. Am I going to take away
is it a cry not? Not? Well?
Okay, I should have been crying out to very old school.
I chose not to actually buy the products that were on offer.
I'm not into crying. That's
a good thing. Glad I didn't get into this open the box, please. Yeah, here we go.
Well, it's the packaging is quite impressive. It's humbling. It's minimal but no topic. Whoa, okay. What's happening?
What do we actually spend? We've got
we can have a guessing game after this as well.
croissants. I can't
get my wireless keyboard. Can I borrow $50 online?
What? wireless cable?
No, it's not going to help you. So tell me help you back. It will just may not
know I sorry.
Lie. I just want to
take it you just want equipment.
Can you for people at home explain what you say?
Okay, I've got a Can I bags one before I get? Yeah, definitely. Which one? That I'm in thing. Yeah. So that's an almond croissant? Yes. And then I've got I've
I'm already starting this. I don't know what that is. But it's got marshmallow and honeycomb on the top with chocolate icing drizzled along it looks like some very extravagant pastry but not quite a croissant wagon wheel
cross shot. Because I need Josh the boy would love one.
And I need my own.
Yeah, you can have your mate. The other one is
it's the wagon wheel. Yeah,
we voice Yeah. Shall we go to normal cross on a ham and cheese dress on and then a chocolate
field croissant. feel like this is a great match because we all
want different demos just want to show the camera because these are so these I was at the South of Market and there's a line every Sunday. Or every time I go at this dingy looking little stole that set up and I've got a patisserie there and I went and bought an almond croissant and it was nine bucks. I was like fuck, they got that expensive. The line is why came because I'm like it must be popular. And then I went and bought it and I was like fucking nine bucks. I just spent 5070 bucks on Wow,
these wagon wheels.
$13 Ah, but the book does
you lead isn't there? Something key put out a knife.
But the the
the woman who started loan
I know her brother and I remember he was working at a cafe through sort through Jacko. And the guys that aren't taught him bear in touch with some of the great cafes in Melbourne. He was working there. And then his brother, a sister came back from learning from the best and I ran at how he course he came out. You go first day over in Paris, and wow. And yeah, and Anyway, she started this thing and they were in Elwood first and then they've moved into this ginormous place in Fitzroy and they're just like the premium end of the class.
I appreciate that. But there are some things in life that you will always complain about spending more than the amount you used to spend so it's like
no, I cigarettes kill you been a part of me, you know, when you go somewhere. Like my uncle came and saw me in Sydney and we went to the opera which is you know, it's expensive. It's touristy, but it is impressive because it's right on the
live show from this way we did
show it was just the two of us and a guy and we were happy
come down and I don't know it was you know some exorbitant price for a pot of beer and that was the focus of the night yeah he couldn't get his head around you know jacket he's from Bangor outer in Victoria you know so he's probably had a very standard be price at the local pub for a long time. I believe that Chris on target the same so you're gonna be pissed if you're not paying for 50 for a croissant regardless of how decorated it is yeah
i mean if there's a
very good financial crisis hits what's happening
these businesses at done they have to well lease on that thing like a big coffee the addiction I guess it is classes for like it's a sugary food so the sugar is the addiction for people. And so addiction talk again Yeah, definitely. Definitely it sort of has that element all on the who if I was if I said is dictate who
you are in life,
where's my where's my
coconut water? You're addicted to your addiction to that football football game. You're addicted to playing that you are addicted to your phone Stacy like
these are all truths.
You definitely like do you like put you like them diagnosing?
What am I doing? Is that we all
foam is stories young pass. Wow. You know,
and I love it too. Well, I would I was talking to screw to Derek who is just down the road. Yeah, he was in the screwed up his he's been in a bunch of businesses, but he turned his scooter Justin Bieber in there. Oh, thank you. Good. Yeah, I was a bit of a
thank you. Oh, my God, that is ridiculous. 976 passing around flights. But no, Derek was talking because I always mentioned that I think I'm a little bit autistic. And he was pointing out the hashtag self aware Yeah, but a lot of people a lot like you said like, it's more like a spectrum. Right? Like, I probably got a little bit of it. Other people have more.
I reckon I'm on the spectrum of having a DD personality. And how that plays out is up to me.
Hmm, what's your latest addiction? What do you identify outside you find because you've been an addict fees
Wow, that Jeremy man look so good.
you to just say what the what your crush on tastes like.
Me pointed out something great for people listening. Set one Fact Friday, we didn't mention anything about the taste of Mr. 97th. Cooking. We just talked about it. There was a reason for that.
$9 idea whatever it is, I can get the receipts. From a tax perspective. Fuck off
It's not easy on microphone.
The domains releasing it with each.
Okay, it's everyone's gonna break but it's quite moist inside. And it's lighted. Well, you know, and sometimes you get into a croissant. And I'm going to keep going. Yeah, you get into a croissant. And you have those holes. Like it's like pastry have missed the light is in their tongue going. This doesn't have that. It's completely even with all of the lights, the ads and it looks like it has a mohawk of
just that you explained it had no vision. And we put it to something else.
Radio broadcast, that's what I do. And I learned without any vision on anything.
You know what we'll do? We'll get exactly the transcript of how you described it. And we'll get mister 97 to leave a Facebook review describing the croissant.
Yes, exactly. Stacey Jaden safe they know who I am.
Do you reckon? Well maybe say bye Thank you, Gilda better
get to that thing. But the croissants are they French? Yes. What song?
Would they be upset with this?
Nothing. This is French they don't want anything meddled with
no so I will like this wagon wheel.
I know you were
the last day it's the most Yeah, it's not the most grandiose thing he's ever done always in Paris.
You smile at the camera just smile at the camera.
So when I was in Paris Amy and I we searched best crush on it was I mean this could be go two ways be a piece of shit. Anyway we found this place we went there opened up the Amman croissant was it not like a mohawk is like this is a bit stylized
it is this a similar flavor and sort of like it's a bit softer over there but the net like the we're nailing the real like the plain croissants here and the almond ones I think but the other is a Boston
I agree but it's similar
to like Messina so brain I would always go to Messina and then we started going to have you had a pic Elena become its own Smith straight and it's more traditional July it and you say the difference Messina they just put you really what you buying is like a grocery list of Tim Tam.
AJ chimeric in Moscow.
I didn't need nutmeg. I don't. I don't need
paper on watermelon like fuck off.
The healthy ones. I put them in the healthy basket like green tape like march on green tape.
Sorry, like I'm sorry.
mucha on this on the spectrum on the spectrum of Messina. I'd prefer to go they do one that some and then we can move on from food Tommy before you have a meltdown.
who was the guy who know?
Elvis Presley? Hey, they had an Elvis Presley ice cream and it had chunks of brioche jelly. Peanut butter. Delicious. You know how he died? I think he did. He had a talk on the toilet wasn't eating a peanut butter and jelly. Can you confirm that Mr. 97? Because that's what I've heard that he was.
He was addicted to food.
Or did he you know, went out eating a peanut butter sandwich anyway,
and I think
that no one's gonna know that. Yeah, no one is
ever I mean, what about the person that walks in and sees what King of
I mean, I don't know how you guys end up at the end of wine King, but I'm sure it's not anything that obvious. Unless you're the
certain I will get clarification from Mr. 97 in a moment to a
point because I still argue that hybrid anyone can
just don't Elvis's and start to come after us. Yeah, I don't know if that's gonna happen. This is the second time you've been on our show, isn't it? Yeah. First time there's obviously I was memorable now I was over there. He thinks that you've been on three times that's what I was thinking cuz I know you because you came in the studio. That's right. We had your Josh on FaceTime and he was away rumor that we're at the end of these days, but it was you and I in
that's the only time we've done Yeah, it is.
Yeah, man. I've done about 100 and 250 shows with you. So this is a reset time you guys had a show together and ship it in? We actually told me and I spoke to Craig Bruce on Game Changers.
He told me I spoke to him yesterday. All right, Craig.
Especially on the roster, Stacy k i wasn't on a shot to him
confirming facts hold the episode. Hold on gonna
go on Star fellow stars and you can get
it's fine. I wasn't
it. So you were colleagues before your friends? Would that be a fair?
Well, we Yeah, we need that wasn't we had me
cheese. And then radio is weird. Because one minute you don't know berzin next minute, you're spending so much time with him. And it needs to be is to have a sense of rapport with the person you need to be friends essentially sounds like a fake friendship that will either blossom into a future ugly friendship, that you need to act like a good one. Or it will be like a friendship ups and downs happy but you actually genuinely like each other. And that was where we landed?
Yeah, we did. And that doesn't mean you know, you speak to each other every other day, you know, because I think radio is funny like that everyone thinks accusing kind of going to each other's kids birthdays and stuff. It's I don't know if they are or not. But it is unlikely, particularly if you're on air at the time, because you're spending so much time with that person. Yeah, you actually need that space. And our program directors with all the shows I've done, have always said try and have that space outside of work because you need to have a life without the other.
Well, you had a life outside of what you were doing with Tommy because he was I remember last episode saying how you guys were doing the show. And then you were doing before it was cool. Before it was a side hustle doing the thinking girls podcast? Seven, how long did you end up doing a full?
Well, when we ship? I mean, it was two years before ship even so I would have been probably about seven, seven years.
Yeah. And so was that part of the reason for do it like did you say when you first started that we you want us on a nother show? When did you see it as an opportunity of like having, I've got my radio relationship, I got a podcast really like being able to sort of diversify in regards to your energy that you're spending,
I wanted to offer the program directors a different offering. I still think Tommy and I could have done really well on a bigger market. I was very aware that there was Gods and girls every way. And you know, a lot of people think that Christina knew each other. Before we started the podcast, we did it. So the friendship grew from a work, I guess, collaboration. And so we will and I was very strategic on that I'd done a lot of I kind of had been in PR and other jobs in the past before I got into radio. So I was quiet. I was bit savvy in terms of the approach to think of girls. And I was aware that two girls, you know, wasn't around. And it was a time we were probably a little bit before the time. But I was aware that that was going to be something different. And it was also something I was really passionate to push. So I felt very aligned with that. I guess I don't want to use the word cause but to be able to get some chicks up. I felt very passionate about that.
And did you think it was going to end up as a as a podcast? Was that like, was it going to be a new media show? forever? Or was it that stepping stone to get what you ended up?
Initially? It was 100% a stepping stone? Yeah, it was. And it was interesting because it works so well on the forum that we started it, but it was 100% a strategy to get the radio show we wanted. And then when we tried and got rejected rejection after rejection after rejection, I stepped away and thought, Okay, well, maybe it's teli or online video. So we kind of branched out and started doing sketch stuff within kind of a year or two from doing the podcast to see if we could, I guess open up those doors because radio wasn't just no one was wanting to actually follow through with the things we were being told. Yeah,
I remember you bet you were very strategic. You've always been very thoughtful about where you're going. And it didn't include me
know at that point. No, no, but I think the reality right, like I think
I feel like I was caught. No, I was pretty on it.
A year later.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious.
Yeah. And I said to remember I said, I want to be added a star, and I created a star solid.
Just wanted the extended,
I wanted to get back to Victoria. So I was doing cans radio, and I was incredibly homesick. And I wanted to get back to where I could drive home to Melbourne. And also, I was excited to do the show Tommy because we'd had mutual friends. And I knew that was going to be I just thought it was going to be an easy kind of show because we'd had I don't know, there was just something where I felt like this could work.
Yeah, I think what's hard, like I went in so great not knowing about having a co host or doing anything to do with writing. I hadn't even talked to the radio, in that capacity ever. But Josh like if you think about our relationship and what we're doing and our vision, being clear, not getting aligned on our vision, and knowing what we want to do and mutually putting in effort and you know, knowing it's where it's going. Imagine having not that Yeah, and that's not saying it's a bad thing. But when I was with candy, I knew she wanted to be out of there. And it didn't include me and I wasn't going
Oh, it's not including me.
It's like a legit thing. You're all vying to create your own path. It's hard. And so that is a friction point. Because if you look at what you and Christy did, you guys, like maybe that's why it works. Right? Maybe Hamish and Andy had the think a girl thing has the they did they create the success, but maybe they were like, this is the thing together. And the vision is clear. And not looking always looking left and right.
I don't know. It's tricky now. Because, you know, thinking now a bit more on my own again, for the first time in seven years, it's like, Is that going to work out differently if I was to go down that road in the future? And you know, at the end of the day, we got to a point but we didn't get a drive or a breaky show as two girls, so that worked for them. But it didn't. I mean, if you want to look at what works, we had so much that works, but at the same time, the big jobs that I think in my opinion, we deserved. We didn't quite get to. And you know, so I think in some ways, it did work and in others it definitely did it.
So what I've seen Instagram posts that you put up, we just need to preface with you guys and what what you've sort of decided to do as part of the thinking girls and the thing you've created after seven years, consciously uncoupling Yeah, coined by decoupling uncoupling it was that Gwyneth
Yeah, when Chris Murray
got that script before me?
No, I don't think I remember no, I refuse to do script for a while was a gossip segment on and all the girls had to do it across the network. And I said in cans, I won't be doing that. Right. But it wasn't great. Is it the end of the day? You're I've learned this and this is a big lesson I learned I want
to learn to it because I didn't do it when I was a digital content producer. All the other digital content producers fucking hated me around Australia because I refuse to do it. Like I was like, I'm on a national drive Show. I'm doing show content. I'm not going to rewrite Paris Hilton's fucking article and 10. Like I care about me I am.
It's tricky, though, because at the same time, you're on your education actual radio station and its rules. Yeah, you know, and I go back now. And I think I'm glad I did that at that point. But would I have that same? I don't know. I'm gonna use the word tenacity and give myself a fireable would. But it that's a stretch. Maybe not, maybe I just come in with a little bit more understanding that it's a job, and that it's not my business. Yeah. If you did, again, is what you said,
Yeah, was I standing for what you believe in versus following the leader, it's like, it's a fine line, I don't think you do what you've done. Being that person may, what would what would have it like, would have led to better relationships with the CD in can. So then you get like, a bit like,
when you look at it, right? There's sometimes where you get to a place, and you'll have all these different peaks and troughs through your career. And there are times like, particularly if I'm thinking about a family, or I have your priorities change, you start to look at passion projects is work and you know, different things start to align differently. And so you think about, will you K effective, but it's more of your approach, something switched in you. And particularly for me, that was my bail and end goal, I was, you know, my own a life was very much my identity. And it was finally a time where I felt like I'd really got into something after, you know, all my 20s because I got in quite light in my 20s that I found something that was my passion. But you know, then there's other points where my passion now is my new marriage and, you know, building kind of cool content that might not be necessarily linked to cash. So where else you're going to get, does that job become a work thing now that you go into, you know, for money? So it's just, you start to cut, you move around, depending on where you're at? I think personally, as well,
did you make decisions early on where you're saying, as a team, as a thinker, girls team, we're going to give it two years, five years? How did you sort of create momentum or an idea in your head on how much time you wanted to give it?
We didn't really, I think we we're in it for the long haul from the beginning. And I think we're both very kind of fairly spiritual people, fairly people that will follow our energy and with, luckily enough, yeah, we sit there touching our parents, you know, we, but we, I don't know, we just kind of say what presents itself as well as have a bit of a plan. And I think, you know, when you have such a chemistry with someone like that, often, the universal often kind of things are written for you a little bit and things just kind of either come up or they go down. And you you learn to just follow with what you're presented with. Whilst we did have lots of dreams and goals and those kinds of things. It wasn't I mean, I don't know if this is to a detriment that there wasn't this kind of business model structure behind it at the same time, even though we ran a business joint vision mode.
I think so. I think that that changed so much, depending on what came up, and, and kind of, you know, what came up and went down. So it was tricky to have that one thing, because in this industry, you get off of this, this goes away, just
pitching for a TV show, the difference between it happening and not happening is the difference between a whole lifestyle change.
And we pitch for a Telly show for two and a half years. And we got very close. And, and that was last year. And we you know, we got an email after a lot of work, really kind of thinking about budgets, and it fell through and it was just another thing, you know, and so there will be you know, the decision has been lots of things coming where you kind of give it everything and then you get presented what the answer is it's not all in your control
was I think the vision, the business model Josh that you're sort of saying, if the vision is to get the radio show the business models in the radio business, right,
so it's hard to connect to it.
And then what you're doing now that about like, you don't know if it actually equates to dollars yet, but then how many? How many things have been created then turn on a tap of Delos once it's been approached from the we're not? We might not make any money from this, which is huge risk again. You've always taken risk.
Yeah, I have. I don't know why. I think I'm easily bored. It's that shocker thing. Well, my energy healer dude after you know,
he said he healer dude. Yeah,
I he's on my face. My first guest on my new show. Actually, his name is Marco Trenberth. And he's, I'd have no real idea of what he did when I went in there. And I walk out feeling very different. Sorry,
sounds like the guy on a current affair who pretend to be a psychologist.
The that that idea of not knowing who he is. So what was he actually what is he described? You said you felt something What is
its energy, like its movement of energy. So there is this kind of practices and, and ways that you can actually transfer energy that might be blocked from anxiety or stress, and move them through your body. And he kind of facilitates that we like using pulsating to Chinese medicine and lots of different things to figure out. Maybe which organ might not be buzzing and tries to focus from that perspective. So there's, and listen to the show, because that's what the whole premise of the new show is, is that it's about trying to explain to the cynic Yeah, essentially is it wasn't a fucking plug, you guys this rolling your eyes thinking?
no Josh, I think he's more skeptical when it comes to energy.
into that, but the show is about opening up the mind and speaking to someone like him and saying, What do you hear when you listen to the pulse? How did you learn to do that? What teacher what's your what's the degree what's the, you know, the different parts that make you this person? Because I don't think often they get the opportunity to do that. Because people like myself believe and people like others don't, there's not a conversation in between. So that's what I hope the show is doing. Not necessarily to spin people. But to allow these types of practice, like practicing alternative therapists to be able to talk about their craft in a way that everybody can appreciate. Even if you don't go to
feels like there needs to be a label around it, though, because we use labels as sort of systems to understand trust. And so if you think about like the Mel Gibson, what's our bell? Bell? Gibson? Yeah, yeah, like someone pretending someone pretending to have had cancer and doing all this sort of stuff? Like, yeah. Because it's, if we look at it, as this is all alternative medicine, or this is all in one thing, then unfortunately, the good with the bad are all aligned. So how do we create
same as like a budget boob job and Western medicine, it just means that Western medicine is much more, there's much more money behind it. So it's kind of backed in, there's all this money to tell us that this is the way to go. And people like that work in these kinds of fields don't, they're not focused on that perspective. And so it's like hard to then try and have some thing that's very West. And the way that that structure is when the essence of exactly what these people are offering is the opposite different.
So there's people that why believing in England has been proven, and then there's still a bunch of stuff that they don't understand. That hasn't been proven. Was there a little
bit I think it says not a lot of money. Well, not as much money in that the voices in the conversation kind of very uneven. If you watch I think it's here on Netflix, it's a documentary and it really speaks to a lot of the science behind a lot of the alternative therapies and different modalities. And it's there. It's just it's you kind of wonder going why we still thinking that this is we were like this is the whole thing was all these people, people that have been brain surgeons that have gone shit, there's got to be something in that that you know, people that have completely been in both worlds that have gone Okay, there's actually effect here, but we don't hear about that. So it's interesting to say why that conversation is still so I guess drowned out and I guess that's because this pharmaceutical companies that want you to believe they you need that pill and they've got
a nice cat. I
was I was surprised me went to the pharmacist the other night, she's been sneezing and feels like she's good at cold. She's like, I need some cold and flu tablets. The guys like telling you symptoms, he wouldn't give them to her. He's like, No, I think it's a favor, which I thought was commendable for a pharmacist like they used to just give them to you. Okay, yeah. But he's like, No, I want you to try if you need them, I'll give them to you. But go home and take tell fast. I mean, doesn't get a favorite and it helped heaps. But I was like, that's that's a step forward from the, you know, from the gatekeepers? Is there anything, though? That is the line for you, in terms of, we were, you know, in terms of what people would classes were all, you know,
not a lot like, I mean, I syndicate your Jade egg, which is like a little crystal up my vagina. Yeah, like, I look at Mr. 97. So I'm trying to give you an idea of where I'd go. But maybe there's things that away.
It activates the root chakra. Okay. And so if you're a person that's gone through, I don't know, maybe like myself, I had a miscarriage. So there's energy pockets that you turn off really subconsciously. And you need to activate them to get things moving again, and how we supposed to do that. Like, there's no near fun tablet, that's going to start to move energy to that area. So you move to things like stones that have healing properties, or at least there's maybe something in there that is weighing on that area that you can kind of at least focus your energy on, there's plenty of different reasons as to why it may or may not work. But for me, it's also having that that kind of physical pot or that physical object there for me to focus on trying to awaken something that may be blocked, what is
what has been think, you know, I think I partners has been Yeah, opinions or support is super important. What is what is he his journey been?
He's a very different person to what he was, if that makes sense. So he had a big change in his late 30s. ended up with prostate cancer, really young, and kind of changed his life around he was like, how have I lived this way? And not known, like, Where am I out of touch with myself? How is this been growing in my body? And I've got no effing idea. And it was just a freak checkup that made him take his penis, is it a passing? It's a PSA test for dudes to figure out your level, it was just like, let's do an all body checkup. He did that. And they saw it was a little bit high antibiotics, another round of antibiotics didn't go down good didn't go down. I might have to give you to, you know, pass you on to a specialist because you're young. So it's not going to be anything serious. But I would be irresponsible. If I didn't go to the specialist. More antibiotics goes all right, we might need to do a biopsy cancer. That's right. And so that changes you and he just started to maybe I think he he would say he probably said self inquiry little bit. So he's he opened up a very big part of his life in his mind to the way that he has a conversation with his inner dialogue. And he's still working through that. So I guess, yeah, he's open to all kinds of different things. Because I think one way in the way that we're kind of taught, which is go to the JP, do this, go to work, go to sleep, what about definitely do more for him? And so, yeah, it's it's, it's really nice to be partnered with someone that is open minded, whether he is sticking things up here there. Anyway, lots of question for him. But you
know, that's to come on Josh
but he's very open minded. And I think, just, I think it's kind of an open conversation, you know, nothing is closed. It's like, Okay, well, why did you do that? How did that work? It's just all open house, what's not? What's your relationship with the religion?
I don't know, it's kind of changing, because I was pretty empty. For a long time, I was very passionate about marriage equality. And I found I found it really gross that I had been raised in a, I guess, a setup and structure that told me that people I cared about with different to me, and I found that really uncomfortable. But at the same time, I'm quite spiritual. And I do, I guess, go back to that of learning and understanding of pray. And so even though I meditate, and it's very different, there is something I suppose nice about, that we were taught to kind of talk to someone else, that there is something a bit bigger than us. So I have started to appreciate that a little bit more, but I'm not a religious person. No,
it's awareness beyond yourself, I think, yeah, trying to do in a lot of the practices, something that you need to show up and do. So there's a consistency that it breeds in people,
and I don't, and it is a version of self care, I think for lots of people, which I'm a massive advocate for, but audit, like the man made rule of it, like I think it is so particularly individual. And that's exactly what I find a lot of my work now is about is that, I've got an idea of what works for me, I'm going to share that with you. But it's your job to go find out what works for you. And I think we all have these inner inner kind of magic sockets inside of us that we just want someone else to tell us what disease and garofolo there is, but actually, we all have it within us that's very much dependent on how that comes out how we have that communication with ourselves and, and activating an inner dialogue that might be about something that's not here, or it might just be a conversation with yourself.
Do you think that that creates more empathy from your end? For people? Now? I think yeah, I think because if having been in that, you know, seeing the spectrum of people who are non believers, to believers, and everywhere in between, not being a believer, isn't Nick thing. It's someone's perspective, it's the it's the way that they've seen that 100%
looks like everything, we all have a right. We all come to the table today with our experiences and with with the way we were raised and with what we have what happened three hours ago and that day, I think that's what makes it humans kind of amazing, to be honest. But I think self care. In particular. For me, when I started thinking about doing the new show and thinking about launching into coaching and doing things like that, I was really hesitant because it has become a little bit of latest and it can become a little bit preachy and and there are extremes which there are of everything. And that's certainly not my style. My style is kind of everybody is invited. And it has always been like that with any project. I've done it even though I did a very goal oriented project due to always invited to that conversation to Josh and I had a
great chat last night about I wish we recorded it, but it was around delusion, and a healthy, healthy dose of delusion and what you're doing sense of that. We're actually working this out this is going to be the thing, which could be seen from the outside is delusion from the inside. It's actual clarity we're having. We're having
our laughing hard at how much delusion we have. Yeah, so like,
what your plans are?
What we want to do what we think will happen where we think we're ready. Why
said a delusion?
Well, no, I what I said was Josh and I was speaking and he was saying some things. And I was like, Is there a chance this is delusion? Like it was a removing? From the moment not saying
I would have thought that you would have had a thought maybe about that when I was in shipping and thinking my next job after this tiny little country town job was going to be a national show based in Sydney, you would have thought that I think a lot of people would have thought that that was a deluded thought,
Yeah, I was thinking about myself.
Well, maybe well, maybe that's why we get along because we allow ourselves to be open up to those opportunities. But I think a lot of I know my family did for sure,
then. So what we can have established was the the delusions, okay, it's not a negative thing. Yeah, a delusion isn't a blur. A delusion is a different lens. And for us, it's sort of crystal clear and what we're doing, but we identify the fact that not everyone else can see what we're saying. And it might be completely wrong, it might not even exist. But what's the difference from the person that succeeds and has that same thinking?
For you, I think it's, you're aware that it is a delusion. For others.
It's how real it feels like our reality, but
it is an easier reality. And so, and that's why we can't put all of that crap on to other people, you know, because you're allowed to have your reality. That's the goal. That's actually what you are entitled to is to have your own running of your own reality and how you, you have to be very careful with how you orchestrate that because that will 100% come back to give you the path to your life. So if your reality is that you're an asshole, a lot of the time that you're very comfortable with that because that's your reality, the new watch your life unfold, it's not all going to be great, you know, not that I'm saying it works as simply as that. But I do believe that that reality thing is, is important to keep focused on because if it's someone else's delusions, then that's their reality, not yours. Yeah,
yeah. Well, I think the sense of the conversation revolution come became from a feeling or a sense from someone else in my life that I felt like there was some judgmental, or projection of what they did
delusion. And so it's like you call it the delusion? It's not yours. It's a delusion for them. Yeah, it's not a delusion for you to
join reality, do you? Like what is the joint
sadly, probably not. And I think we need that a bit more. And if we all agreed on particular virtues or something that we had, which is why sometimes I think religion can work because people try and live by a particular ruling system. I don't like that. It's mostly made by freaky men. But like, one particular issue that I'm thinking of in that I have been most associated with, but
yeah, I don't know, if we do, I think it is quite different. And it's becoming more and more our own lane as time goes on. Which is, yeah, I think maybe it used to be a little bit more combined. I don't feel like it is,
as someone who's quite independent. You've obviously had some, you know, you've got Ben now you've had relationships throughout your whole life. With all the all the radio stuff with Christie's through thinking girls, what have you learned about yourself, through the big changes in the last couple of years
have been so much last year, the last 12 months has been incredible.
Well, I'll start with Ben, I think for him, for what I've learned from him was that I had an idea of what vulnerability meant, and then I had to just completely let that go. Because my my idea vulnerability, and then the vulnerability you, you really do need to show in a relationship is just so completely different. So you think, for me, I've written a lot, and I'm writing a book about, you know, being single and that kind of process and working on yourself in that time. So when I got when I met Ben, it was very much off. Yes, he's here, this is great. Now that I put the tools down, but I definitely didn't think I'll be picking them up so quickly. And I had to pick them back up. Because not only was he a person that was that provided me with such love that allowed me to feel safe to be vulnerable, I then had to be vulnerable in it's an action. So I learned that those things very much. So actions, they're not things that you acquire, there's not they're not things you're entitled to courage, vulnerability, are a couple that come to mind that you actually have to do as an action. And I had to learn how to do that in a romantic sense. What's a
habit of vulnerability? Because I guess that's the thing. It's like, you can say, I'm being vulnerable right now or like, talking about it. But what's an actual habit? Do you think that you have that helps you be vulnerable,
in now that I've learned,
like he's made talking about quitting porn being vulnerable, or I'm
and I think, I thought that was for a period of time, particularly as a broadcaster who pushed the buttons a bit. I had, I was told constantly, I'm quite a vulnerable person. And I didn't know vulnerability until I fell in love with the person that I really, really felt safe with. And that was amazing. But then it was like, I have this really open, safe space to play in, I have to show after walking. And you don't realize that that has to be an action that has to be a step you need to walk towards someone, he was a bit the same. We both live very independent lives, as you pointed out, we both kind of had parents that had no family units had fallen apart quite early and single moms at home. So it kind of you know, you raise yourself, you become very independent. So to be able to showcase that to each other was hard work. And so I suppose what I do, meditate allows me to say soft, because I think sometimes I can get into that real in a masculine which is is great for me for work and other parts of my relationship, I have to work hard at making sure I come from a softer place, not just for him, but for myself to be able to access exactly what I deserve to receive from him, which is love and care and support in a way that really truly supports me not in a way that tells me email this person do that yet Awesome job, babe. Like, I need a hug, I need to make love I need to connect. So meditation, as a daily ritual helps me kind of make sure that I stay in that grounded rather than like I did when I was on radio very high, high, high, high, high above the ground a bit. So I guess that's something that I it sounds simple. And it we're really talking about it a lot. But it really does. I know my energies a little bit different when I'm doing that regularly. And I I try and do it every day.
Is that high bit is that is the difference? anxiety that comes out in being antagonistic or strong or, like hard headed out? Like, what's the actual, what is that energy that's being released through the meditation, do you think,
um, I think just stillness of reminding you who you actually are, and not what your bravado is. Because inside I'm pretty sensitive. I'm a big girly girl like, and I am very kind. And it's easy to get very swept up in the world and the show and, you know, particularly also with what I do and, and I'm an I like to talk and I like to present I like to do all those things. And I've got a bit of a mission with things that I do. But last year, I didn't have the energy to have that mission, I was forced to sit in, you know, lots of job changes lots of about, you know, lots of times where I didn't have the energy. So I've learned and what it was like to start from that route start from that real kind of, I guess, grounded space. And I found that I didn't want to leave it because it when I showed myself to Ben, and he was able to kind of I was respected for him. He cherished me we really sang. So
yeah, I did that.
So if someone was to try and be vulnerable, is it something that is do you think, and it's something that will shift internally and not be which could be the action to get to that could be vocalizing something, I think the quitting born thing is like me doing that is probably maybe more vulnerable to myself than talking about Yeah, I think we're doing that thing. Yeah. And so but how do you decide like, what's that? I mean, with with a partner, it's quite clear, the vulnerable vulnerabilities are between you two, you are the person that's directly affected if you don't step forward into that vulnerability, but like, what's the What do you think, is something that someone could take and practice vulnerability? Because is there a difference between honesty and vulnerability?
I think so you can be honest, and, and not be sitting in a space because you know, sometimes not being honest, or not being dishonest, but not saying anything is more vulnerable for you to protect someone out, you know what I mean? So, I don't know if honestly, and I think, again, going back to that, the kind of work that I did in the past honesty, you know, that was very linked with vulnerability, you're very vulnerable. Look how honest you are. It was like, I feel pretty comfortable in that space. So I think the first step is knowing when you're a bit uncomfortable, because vulnerability often doesn't come in a comfy place, you know, you've got to find that space that is pushing yourself where you don't feel comfy. And that's, I guess what I would say, would be a good gauge of where that is, and how do you access that I do I meditate, people walk, because it kind of grounds you I think anything that you find grounds you is going to, I suppose start to allow you to get out of your head a bit and just kind of start to have the real conversation with yourself. Because a lot of people don't realize that your thoughts are not you. There's another gut feeling. Or there's another kind of thing that backs you when your thoughts are not or they're the thing that makes you kind of feel like you are in the right place, like having a absolute laughing attack with your maid or, you know, watching movies, or whatever it is like, Well, you know, watching Netflix, there's like a feeling of home. That is you your thoughts, and not you. So once you do anything that allows you to kind of get out of that headspace and see a little bit more back into that person, then I feel like vulnerability is much easier to come through
what's dropping the thoughts. I'm going to die city to Sam Harris app, waking up. And it's this understanding of thoughts are happening within consciousness. But there is something back from those, the and I think the identifying with your thoughts, instead of that being in your head is the is why the essence of meditation is so beneficial. It's like, We're not here, we're not in this head. We're not behind the eyes, it spreads out. And the thoughts are just a part of that conscious consciousness that what
Ryan's there to do to protect you essentially. But I mean that I created a find your intuition worksheet, it's cheapest, cheapest, you download it, and it gives you this, the steps that I actually do might not work for you. I'm not sure. But I had felt so passionate about this, because I feel like people kind of looking for ways. But the other resource I would recommend is that isn't so much about meditation, if you're kind of unsure about what it all means in your purse that needs to understand before you just dive in the untethered soul by Michael singer is the greatest book, I think one of the greatest books I've ever read. And it is that it's just such a simple, interesting way to explain the difference between our thoughts and who we are. And it just sums and if you're an over thinker, you're somebody that lives in your mind, read the book, it will, it will change the way that you understand how we're built, and better, hopefully better help you kind of move forward with that knowledge.
I think it's in Mr. 97, the job description to shine. I don't know the vulnerability. essence of what you said vulnerability is of him showing up each day. It's like, he has been someone who's pushed himself hasn't felt comfortable. But even before you like look at him stepping back. It's like a rock scene. So the action of coming here is his version of vulnerability. I think that to it. That sure. Yeah. reckon?
Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty uncomfortable. I mean, like, yeah, the guys push me to do stuff that I'm a bit uncomfortable doing, but it's good.
Can you explain what it feels like? So it's kind of like this, because that's the thing I when I say you vulnerability should be discomfort. It's not the same feeling as discomfort when you got uncomfortable shoes on. It does feel good for you. Right? Yeah. It's like, like you,
like you in instinctively know that, that it's really good for you and that you're pushing your boundaries. But it's like, yeah, you just, I mean, you've got an elevated hot reading you just like if it's stress and got a bit of anxiety,
that you know that there's something good Yeah,
yeah, he went. He went on a date for the first time. And he's the week that it was happening. He said, This week, I've had rates been above 100.
He's actually manually.
I thought we could finish with a because you got single Pringle, and I thought, we've got a single Pringle in the audience of the one guy.
I like to say we haven't
let him do anyone.
He's young bloke, he's in the dating scene. first date? 19. What do you think?
Girl? Guys, go go? Yeah. What do I think? What should he What's the question? Well, I asked him one because
you went to? Well, it depends. If people want to be loved God will definitely.
You went on a date. And so how'd you feel?
about it? Yeah, I've been on two days.
We just same person. No different people. Okay. And you're dating because
we did get thrown into it by Tommy and Josh but I think it's, it was it was something that I probably never I never experienced before. And so yeah, just having that under my belt and being able to interact with people, or interaction interact with girls and know.
Yeah, I guess know how to talk to them.
And just be honest with them was something that I needed to learn. It's so interesting, because I think I think everybody thinks that dating is because you're looking for someone and most I think there's a lot of people that do you hope to be with someone at some stage of their life, I think the one of the most important things particular your age, don't leave them old enough to set up is that you don't have to date to be in a relationship that I find some of the best dates I've been on, have allowed me to go home and work out what my values are, what I need, who I am from them. And I think that's something that's really nice is that we should be allowed to do dating and exploited and manipulate those apps and do whatever we want. That works for where we're at at that point. And I really think a lot of guys maybe naturally do that some guys do, I think NGOs really struggle because they kind of thing oh my god, I need to be so up front. You know, and also I think chicks really struggle with saying I don't want to be with anyone right now, it's like that means a lot more if you're a woman.
But I think that it sounds like it would be a good idea for you to continue dating to get to know a bit of a teacher or a bit of a hype. I always choose values over time. So try to not think of a type try to think of value. So do you like kind you like funny think of values that you are that you could then want match. So if you're a kind person, you wouldn't want someone to not be kind and start from there. So then you start to have a bit of a shape of what you might be looking for one day and don't take them seriously where they have to then end up in something use it for your own resource. And have fun, I guess is
amazing. I don't know my
let somebody Yeah, good. I love that the board
was pulled that out of my ass. No, but the self development that comes from it. It's like,
I mean Josh just fast tracked it and found the first one. Yeah, but nice and easy. And you know that you need to just pull the band aid off. Yeah, it was different. But yeah, definitely development. Yeah, for sure. Self from dating. So you're on the right track, man.
What a catch. Let me know when you think because I got plenty of sinks.
He's got a real hot now I'm Joe done.
Single Pringles built built on and their workshops and stuff online, there's an Instagram account to kind of be more focused on self help then on meeting someone. So essentially, if you work on yourself and get to know yourself, then in turn you that might take you to meet someone. But that's kind of not the intention. But I felt like, underlying it was a little bit for me, but that was kind of not the focus. And that's not the focus of the stuff.
How do you reconcile changing in your life, like when you come out the other side with a new learning? How does that affect how you interact with people,
I resist the shit out of it. I gotta be honest, you know, I talked about all this stuff, and I get there. But I've resisted it for a long time. I've always struggled with change. I'm working really hard on it. And it's nice being married, I gotta say, because you've got a bit of a cheerleader with you. And we're learning about each other and what we need through that. So that's been really nice. But yeah, I resist it first. And then I go through a bit of a process where I have to do a big letting go. And I very much over the past 12 months, I've had to practice surrendering. So I think there's a saying, if you're feeling the weight on your shoulders, you haven't surrendered enough, like you shouldn't really be carrying around stuff that you can't control. So if you are overthinking it, or you are carrying it on your shoulders, surrender, surrender some more, you have to keep surrendering until it gets to a point where you truly accept the reality of most things in our life. And that is that we do not get to control the timing, and a lot of the time the outcome,
how do you deal with judgment? So the idea that in your mind that something that you've done or move that you've made, would make people think a certain way? Do you feel a responsibility to explain yourself? Or is that part of that white that you need to let go?
It's the letting go. And I think when you do so much self work, I that's I don't know if it's the self work, or it's actually just who I am. But I've never really, I have my moments and over the past 12 months, they've been definitely have done a lot of big change in my you know, my direction, so they have crept up, but very rarely Am I that worried about what other people think I've always had that on my side? I look that up. Yeah, I just don't, it's not that I don't care. I have people that I care about that I trust that I get to know, like, I would care about what both of your opinions are about some things, particular things. And there's other things I probably wouldn't like, I get to know who that person is. And I get to say, Okay, I respect you in here. I agree with you here. And I, I would like your opinion on that. But then there's some stuff that I don't we're not all experts on everyone else's life,
if we feel like we've done something internally wrong to feel that it needs to be because I guess that's what I'm trying to want wonder if we actually reconcile and we've made a change in my life. Actually, this thing that I've done here, I don't agree with or have said this thing that I'm actually not really aligned with now. Do you think? Where is where is the room to say hi, I'm actually like, I'm judging myself on these things. Yeah, dude, yeah. And so there's no wonder that you're going to be judging on judging me as well,
I think I choose really carefully depending on my relationship. So it's, like I I make sure that the people that I am showing up to and apologizing, owning my stuff, worth it. And I think, you know, we really need to make sure that the relationships we have in our lives, live, the ones that you can be that person to. And if you don't have that relationship, I also don't necessarily think that everybody deserves that level of vulnerability to. So I don't think you need to walk around being vulnerable to everybody all the time, that's a precious, that's precious cargo, you need to put that in this in the hands of safety. And if you don't feel like they're being vulnerable back, while they're being worthy back for you to showcase that part of yourself, Ben, I don't know if you necessarily have to do it all the time. So it's trying to make sure that those words relationships, that you have ones worthy of those, that kind of behavior, and that kind of showing yourself.
And then there's the I mean, it's such a tricky one, because the noise that we hear externally from our actions, I mean, you can look at internally and go is this sitting well within my values, because they don't probably feel good. If it is, if it's out, you know, you'll probably get a sense if people are reacting, but sometimes if it's sitting in your values, and other people are projecting this, like when it sets in, but
it's up to them to tell that to you, and it's up to you to raise it with them, even if it might not worry them. Because if we all go in with our own our own thermometer, we all kind of check in with ourselves, then you can just kind of trust that they're going to earn their crap, you're going to own your crap. And life goes along a little bit a little easier. So it might I might say to a mate, I'm so sorry, I, you know, this is nice. And they might say, Oh, shit, I didn't even think about it. But that was my right hour. And I wanted to make sure they knew I was sorry, not to make me feel better, but to be accountable to myself. And if that same friend was accountable to themselves, then I can trust that they're always going to show up the best way they can. And if not, they're going to own their shit back. So that's why it's I think, super important to look at the people in your life and make sure that they're matching that with you. Because that's why I think sometimes particularly friendships, it can feel a bit on even and then you've left just kind of analyzing it all the time.
What about audience what's our what's, what's the responsibility with having an audience? And when those things change, say with the the change with thinking girls, how much did you feel that you need? You had a responsibility to the audience to communicate, and to be honest about, hey, we're just was designed to go our separate ways?
Well, I think we were pretty honest pretty quickly after we made that final decision. But at the same time, I can only speak on my behalf. But I, I don't really feel like I owe that much to people that I'd given my life and my learnings to for six or seven years, I love and respect them. And I'm incredibly grateful for the support that I've had. And the real diehards that really backed us when no one did, you know, there's love there, but at the same time, I did a good job there. And I'm very confident in that. And, and I and I did probably overextend myself for a lot of situations, I'm on day ends counseling people. Daily, you know what I mean? So there was a few times where people would message me quite abruptly and rudely and say, I have a right to know. Yeah, why are you guys doing the show? And I'm like, you don't have a right to know I do enough. Yeah, yeah. And so kind of having knowing your, you know, your offering. And when you over offer, or you give a lot, no one had to pay anything for those shows. And you pay for Netflix, you pay for other things, I kind of was also like, you know, we'll we'll do our best, but I know also, what we've given and what I've given,
it's hard to create something without having sort of, by like, on what we're creating is, you know, we want essentially want people to have buying on our lives and what we're doing and now, you know, have vision. And I guess that's way as a listener, I would feel like not the right, but you kind of feel like, ah, I've given you what I you know,
exchange? Yeah, it's always going to be an exchange, there's two, there's people. So there might be a lot of those people that might be less of, you know, me and us. And, but it's an exchange, I feel like we've had a pretty good one. Yeah, you know, so I don't think you need to over exert yourself, when you feel like they've given you something you've given them something back then, you know, kind of works out in the wash. I
think that the pace you've got with it is is much more beneficial for moving forward. And understanding that you gave the best. Yeah, because the I guess, because Tommy brings up a lot. I make a lot of promises on the show. All right. Yeah. And he gets slightly upset that, like, I think it's a value set for me. What really does it mean?
For you? Yeah, I think
and so my thing is, like, I I keep my promises, but when it's content, promise it like sometimes there's varying levels of a promise. Right? And so I think that it is interesting where I think that that would be the moving like, you know, in 10 years time when the daily talk show you know decides to finish up or whenever it is that those promises I could imagine weighing on you Tommy in a big way where it's like how do we This doesn't seem like there's a clean way
when we're on case of it like I used to be like we say we're going to do this bright today like we have to do it today but I was a little bit full on with that. And then it kind of dawned on me that it was like no one gives a shit no one gives it no one remembers people
well, I think again, it was my stuff I wanted to do that it wasn't and I was putting it that it was the for the audience but it was myself Yeah. And I think that's the same deal if you want to do it for yourself thing right but be realistic and honest about what it actually is about it's hard
to go between I mean that's a conversation Josh what content what is real life yeah. And so if you if there's a true distinction in your mind between
which there is a
friction that you and I always have is because just how it's like when you because you do content in life. Yeah, and it frustrates everyone do life and I think it's content
confuse my mom was still messaged me saying Oh, Have a nice weekend. I was three weeks ago Mom, you know, it's confusing, especially for moms.
I think that Yeah, the content thing of you You are a content mind. Stacey, I think that's fair to say that something you're always thinking about. Have you worked out what isn't for content? Have you had to make a clear distinction?
I just put myself first Yeah. So I always put myself first if there's you know, I remember those a few times where I would watch different shows radio shows, in particular where the buzz word was show yourself you know, be yourself and then you see people crying about how they were depressed in this and you could just say in their energy they weren't ready to share you know, so I think it's actually a service as anyone that has a microphone to make sure that you're checking in with yourself first because I don't think it actually helps anyone no one gets entertainment no one gets help from it. If you're coming from a bit of a I haven't really followed that through and dealt with it myself so not only for myself but I think also for my audience it's really important that you know and I've watched this with trying for a baby and and really sharing that on my Instagram I've watched that a bit because it's very much I want to tell the story of the in the middle I haven't got a lot of information around the before it's all before or after you don't get many things of people trying because there's a you know big elephant the room that side might not work so people don't want to put content out on the flip side of that I wish I had that so I have tried to share but that's been the closest line I've had where I've had to a few times I've I filmed all blogs ready to kind of put on a YouTube channel for my first my pregnancy last year that haven't gone up you know so and I know I want to help people but go to watch that for myself first so that's where I kind of draw the line but my content is my life so the only way I can really I guess manage that is making sure that I've got my own back first I've got my people that love me first I check in with you know my husband obviously with everything a lot of our fertility stories his story so those things and then if you comfy and it's right and it feels good then you share it might not always feel great but as long as you're kind of coming from a healthy ish place with it, I think is how I how I managed them.
Chicken self chicken,
love it. It all comes back.
Well next time you're in Melbourne, obviously the first stop is always the deli.
Yeah, Buddha Jetstar,
Nathan Melvin back it was my hometown I really was anything i don't i hate is a big conversation isn't it? But it's I
think he fitted Well
yeah, he's a Melbourne he
will say will say long. You know? Hopefully you married for a while. It's an easy you've got an option in the future.
Melbourne is so easy to live like it's freezing but it's 29 today so
do you feel today so which is why I'm walking around with my weird rose colored glasses on which actually gone to finish off
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haven't had a mohawk Yeah.
We've had like the plan isn't to have a guest every single day now you're it just so happens that we've I think this week in DC god
so busy. But we will be having probably to two or three shows a week that's just Tommy and I as well because So
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