In The Sauna With Christian Hull

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show episode 269.

Christian: Oh, 69!

Tommy: We're barely here.

Josh: Uh, it's Fat Friday with, uh, Christian Hull, our Chief 69er.

Christian: Ah, just picture that right now. How do you 69 with 3 people? That is 969.

Josh: No, that's a 269. One of us is just there for the support.

Tommy: All right, clearly what we've noticed, Christian, because last time you were on we were in your your lounge room, now you're in our office and we're filming it. So there's, there's a bit of a difference. But what we've found is the video makes us go a bit smutty, which is—

Josh: and then we have you, which is pretty smutty last time, weren't we?

Christian: You were all in my lounge room sitting on the couch.

Tommy: You were telling us about some sort of like, um, what had gone on on the parking lot or park that you went to. I think there's that. We won't go there.

Josh: Yeah, was it about—

Christian: no, you brought dogging.

Josh: Okay, that's all right. Um, what have you been up to, Christian? How's it been going on?

Christian: I've just eaten so much food, and usually you do it after an episode. I'm in like a— it's gonna be— this content's just gonna be really great today because now I feel like I want to take a nap because it's 39 degrees outside. You've turned off the air conditioner. Yeah, I feel like we— a small hum, I think, should be fine.

Tommy: Is it? I don't know, Josh is the guy. No, it's not fine. It's definitely not fine.

Christian: You're so professional.

Josh: What do we say? Anal? Well, I don't get that.

Christian: I don't know if I'm allowed to do it.

Tommy: Oh, it's just smutty.

Josh: No, but why do you— what did he say?

Tommy: He said you're so professional. I said you're anal.

Christian: Oh, anal.

Josh: Ah, yes, yes.

Christian: Well, you weren't talking about smutty.

Tommy: It flew over both your heads. Yeah, it did. And so it was connecting back to the first bit where we were talking smutty. There is strong weather banter when it's this hot. Like down the cafe, there's just— most of the conversation was weather banter.

Christian: Yeah, because sometimes it's filler when you don't know what to talk about. You're talking about the weather, but yeah, 39 degrees with It was 46 degrees in Adelaide. So we're in Melbourne.

Josh: 46?

Christian: It was the highest recorded ever temperature in Adelaide yesterday.

Josh: Yeah, wait, so you burp into the mic?

Christian: Sorry, wait, who does that?

Josh: Howard Stern does that.

Tommy: Burps into the mic.

Josh: Burps into the mic. I'm like, only Howard Stern can get away with it.

Tommy: 100%. Guests can do it on our show, but Josh, you're not doing it.

Josh: What have you realized?

Christian: I eat really fast that 50% of what goes down is air. And so because I do my podcast episode and I I'll eat beforehand and drink, and then I'm just like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And I don't know whether it's an issue I have or whether I need to slow down.

Josh: Oh, it's definitely the slowing down, but I do the same thing.

Tommy: Do you get, uh, Christian, do you get people commenting and saying, dude, um, yeah, stop burping, can you please burp off mic?

Christian: If you're gonna have to burp, just do it off mic. But I love when you're wearing headphones, I just love the sound of a great burp, like right in your ears.

Tommy: It enhances everything. It's the only time that I'll admit that I like the sound of my own voice is when you're listening through headphones and it's like, to me I sound whiny and annoying just with no headphones on, but then you hear all the bass of your voice and it makes it—

Josh: I'm wearing headphones right now. That's why he's doing it, because he loves it.

Christian: But it's the epitome of vanity is when you don't need to wear headphones. Absolutely. But you wear them because you're just listening to yourself.

Tommy: Well, the issue is, Josh, the sweat. We need to make sure—

Christian: Put the aircon back on.

Josh: No, we're not putting the fucking aircon on. The reason we're sweating—

Christian: Do you know that meme from Key Peele where he's just dripping sweat?

Josh: It's profuse.

Christian: We need a tea towel.

Tommy: It's amazing. Mr. 97, can you sort out some kind of a—

Josh: maybe the microfiber.

Tommy: Can you get one of the, um, the t-shirts, the blue ones over there?

Josh: No, no, Mr. 97 was about to get, uh, a rag that we've been using to wipe the whiteboard.

Tommy: And what's wrong with that?

Josh: Well, because I was gonna end up—

Christian: shoves a squeegee up there. How long you'd be concerned about a rag with a little bit of ink on it?

Josh: That's very true. Well, yeah, I just need to wipe myself.

Tommy: Um, I need an update from last episode, Christian. You, um, you said you, that you're addicted to nose spray. How's it going?

Christian: Oh my God, I actually have an update. Oh, thank God, something interesting. Okay, so I, um, so I, um, I need to bet.

Josh: No, don't.

Tommy: Can we not?

Josh: I just a little— no, which people are tuning out.

Christian: Mate, they've got to tune in before we shoot. So I am, for the last 4 years, been addicted to Dimetapp nasal spray.

Josh: Is that a brand?

Christian: Yes. Okay.

Josh: He's got a deal with them. I've got to get 4 brand mentions in the show. Um, and a spray.

Christian: Yeah. It's a crippling addiction. People like, they laugh at it. It's a really common addiction because you're not supposed to use nasal spray for more than 3 days. Anyway, it was all on the previous episode.

Tommy: Yes, listen.

Christian: But, um, I bought this thing to get me unaddicted, which— and I started it yesterday. And so what you do is— this is going to be really boring for a little bit. So the line at the top here—

Tommy: okay, yep, there's two, two lines.

Josh: Yeah, just speak closer to the mic here.

Tommy: Yep, there.

Christian: Yeah, it happened.

Tommy: So there's two lines, the top one.

Christian: Yeah, and then you use the spray till there, and then you fill it up with a, like, a dilutant Okay, it's like a nasal douche.

Josh: Is it like a—

Christian: it's just—

Tommy: is it the neti potty? The neti pot?

Christian: The neti pot? Yeah, that burns.

Josh: Yeah, what is a neti pot?

Tommy: Are you using cold water in it?

Christian: No, you have to—

Josh: well, it's lukewarm.

Tommy: Yeah, but it hurts. It really hurts if it's cold. Really?

Josh: Bring the mic a little bit closer to you, Chris.

Christian: You can't use tap water, it will kill you. Okay, so there's bacteria in tap water and your sinuses are really sensitive, so if you're pouring in tap water—

Josh: we're not in Bali, mate, there's not that many many things in our world.

Christian: People have died from Melbourne tap water. Why?

Josh: Because it's— why are they doing— because there's bad shit.

Christian: That's like, you, you're not— I learned this, you can't give yourself an enema with just tap water. It's really unhealthy.

Tommy: You probably should steer away from self-enemas anyway.

Josh: What is the main use of an enema?

Tommy: I heard that, um, is that for— I heard a guy talking, a scientific man, talk about the enema.

Josh: Do you mean a scientist?

Tommy: I actually couldn't confirm. Mr. 97, do you know who I'm talking about? The dude on Rogan that was talking about enemas, and he was saying the scientific absolute bullshit. He was saying there is actually no chance— you know how they say like, oh look, there's a bit of something from your gut? There's actually no chance of that.

Josh: Oh, that's a, um, caloric irrigation.

Christian: Colonic.

Josh: Colonic. That was Dr. Weil that was saying that, wasn't it? He was a doctor, but he also believes in— he thought that he did LSD and thought that because of that he grew an immunity to the sun, so he doesn't get sunburnt anymore.

Tommy: I mean, sometimes you, you know, you win some, you lose some. But yeah, so I just want to explain, a neti pot is like this thing with this— it's basically, it looks like a teapot and you stick one bit in your nose and you do that, and then it comes out the other side of your nose, cleans it out.

Christian: The water goes in, it goes through your sinus. Yeah, it goes—

Josh: bullshit.

Christian: I don't think it goes through the top one, but then it goes through the other one.

Josh: Christian's just drawing on his face.

Christian: Like, I got a real picture there. Yeah, but I forgot.

Josh: No, but no, no, it's good. But the amount of drawing you were doing, it's quite— your nasal region is actually quite— what is the sinuses? Are quite big.

Christian: Yeah, they're in— well, they're your cheeks. Your sinuses are here, and so on, just under your eyes, and then one sort of above the bridge of your nose. So what you do if you've got a really, really bad cold and your nose is completely blocked, if you just press rhythmically on the top of your forehead It sort of like pulsates the sinus and then it just pours out of your nose.

Josh: What about my ears? So one of my ears is fucked at the moment.

Tommy: While Christian's giving medical advice, let's take some other—

Christian: Scientific man myself, Oz.

Josh: No, what's— so yesterday, it's actually sort of disgusting, we used our— we're house sitting and we found something in the cupboard for my ear. So I just used it.

Tommy: Like, what do you mean, dude?

Christian: Was it definitely for the ears?

Josh: Yeah, it was for the ears.

Tommy: But so was it a prescription?

Josh: No, I don't think it was a prescription, but I've had it.

Tommy: Was there an expiry date?

Josh: I don't know. I had a blocked ear. I had a blocked ear, and Bree was like looking, and she was like, I found some cotton tips for you.

Christian: Yeah.

Josh: And so I tried to start putting them in. She goes, oh, there's actually this liquid that I found, and it's for your ears.

Christian: Oh yes.

Tommy: With the wealth of knowledge you have, Josh, some of the shit you do is outrageous.

Christian: Like a knife. Yeah.

Josh: No, so what I did was I tipped my head and Bri put it into my ear and I wasn't expecting— I don't know what I was expecting, but I freaked. I just jumped out of my skin because it like— you think you're going fucking dead.

Tommy: Because you had your ear penetrated.

Josh: Well, no, you don't know what it is, but so I'm trying to— it's still not good, my left ear. I think it's wax.

Christian: It was an earwax softener, and I think what you— when you put the drops in, it absorbs into the earwax and it makes that noise right in your ear, and that's really terrifying.

Tommy: Are you a guy who's used an ear candle before? Yes, interesting.

Josh: They're bullshit, aren't they?

Christian: Yeah, I think so.

Josh: I believe that what— because what happens is you end up with all this earwax, but apparently if you cut open the candle, there's all just yellow.

Tommy: Interesting. So ear candle, bizarre. Probably shouldn't do it by yourself, but if you're like— so you lie on the side and actually stick this thing just gently into your ear, and then you light the top of it, and then it's meant to use the force to draw— like the— no, not the force. Yeah, the force, the fire. Yeah. The fire is sucking the stuff out of your ear.

Christian: Well, yeah, um, but, but it's fake.

Josh: What's your view on it? Did it work?

Christian: Yeah, well, I don't think so.

Josh: Okay, well, it's the Daily Talk Show, everyone, and we're just getting started. It's the, uh, it's, it's all about the science.

Tommy: This is our hottest episode today. This is actually stinging hot.

Josh: Yeah, so what's that, what's your living arrangement like when it comes to air conditioning, fans?

Christian: I have nothing. I live in an old-school '70s apartment. I need to burp again. That's fine.

Josh: It's sort of like a nook. No, we don't need it. But so, but yours, the way that I feel like your place is, it's sort of, yeah, it's a bit of a nook. So you sort of go underneath.

Tommy: It's sort of a cave.

Christian: Weird. Daryl Jackson, for any architect buffs, in the '70s designed this apartment building, won a lot of awards for it, and it's like a 3-split level. So you actually enter on like the top floor and you've got a little entranceway that goes down into the living kitchen and then you go down into the bedrooms. So yeah, it's really cool and it's really old. It feels like you're living in a church because it's got that spray-on concrete that looks like popcorn.

Josh: Why do they use that?

Christian: It's just a cheap alternative.

Josh: I really, I always, I feel like it's asbestos.

Tommy: My mate lived in one. He lived in your building.

Christian: Oh right.

Tommy: Remember Fitzie? Brett Fitzpatrick? Maybe you don't know. He's not there anymore.

Josh: He works at SEA.

Tommy: But they renovated there so they had an aircon, I'm pretty sure. Oh, but you've got no aircon.

Christian: I've got nothing.

Josh: And they've got all their split systems, they're pouring all of their hot air out to you.

Christian: Well, I have to have all the doors open, and so all you can hear is the moaning.

Josh: Christian in bed.

Christian: Oh, it's nothing that people don't usually hear, but it's so— like, I didn't go to sleep last night till 5:30 AM. Yeah, because it's really hard to sleep in hot weather. I just couldn't.

Josh: What do you do?

Christian: Shut off. You cry and you just beg your brain to turn off.

Tommy: It is. So I grew up in a house with mum and dad.

Christian: Are you Queensland?

Tommy: No, no, no, but thanks for thinking that I'm Queensland.

Christian: That would explain so many things.

Josh: Yeah, the backwards hat for sure. The arrogance. The shorts.

Christian: The hourglass.

Josh: The shorts, yeah. The scientist guy.

Christian: The footy shorts that you're always wearing that are just, just long enough to cover sort of—

Tommy: stubby shorts. Yeah. Growing up, mum and dad never bought an air conditioner until we were about 17, I was about 17, 18, I was about to leave home. And so we grew up no aircon. And so I, I like, it's in me to go never living in a house without an aircon. It's just like, it's a goal. I want to be the person that isn't worried about having their aircon on. I'll spend the money.

Christian: I was going to say, then you see the bill.

Josh: Yeah, but the bill, like, this is what Bree and I always argued about because I actually asked a bunch, like years ago, I asked people on Facebook, which is a very trusted source, a lot of scientific people.

Christian: Science men are on Facebook.

Tommy: You need to solve a medical issue.

Josh: No, but it doesn't actually cost that much. It's like whatever, like—

Christian: Yes, it does.

Josh: How much? Like $4 a night?

Christian: Well, actually, sorry.

Josh: I'm so sorry, everyone.

Tommy: I shouldn't have gone as high.

Christian: I don't know how much an air conditioning costs. I've never had one. But growing up, my father would just absolutely abuse anyone who turned the air conditioner on.

Josh: What about the lights?

Christian: Yeah, yeah, the lights on and the air conditioner on. So I've grown up knowing that— I assume air conditioning costs an absolute fortune because he would scream at us. We'd be like, just like, like you, dripping, and they paid, you know, $22,000 for this beautiful air conditioning in the whole home and we couldn't use it.

Tommy: You've got, uh, is it triplets or just—

Christian: Triplet brothers, yes.

Tommy: So you all— that's crazy. And what was the sleeping arrangements for you guys? Was it bunk beds or you're all in one room?

Christian: So we just had one bed and all four of us were in it. No, no, we— I lived in it. I lived in a mansion and it wasn't until like I moved the GFC that we had to move out and live on the streets that I realized, um, no, because we had like a 5-bedroom home. That's a lot of bedrooms.

Josh: Your parents have moved to the Blue Mountains, haven't they?

Christian: Yes, the Blue Mountains is a very, uh, fancy area.

Josh: Yeah.

Christian: And I feel like I have like posh wealthy parents because they sold the— because they— the mansion was in Sydney, so they've sold the Sydney mansion.

Tommy: What suburb?

Christian: And made— oh, okay, well, it's not a great suburb.

Tommy: Um, Castle Hill?

Josh: I don't know.

Tommy: No, Parramatta. Oh, okay.

Josh: It's not Penrith.

Christian: Oh no, Croydon.

Tommy: No, Armadale CBD. Um, Mosman. No, Mosman's Potts Point.

Christian: Mosman is the— they're the really—

Tommy: I know they are.

Christian: I was Deniston, which is West Ryde. Okay, you know, Ryde, which is a bit of a hole.

Tommy: Hard to get a house for under a million bucks these days in Sydney alone. So that's a nice area, Ryde. Get a house, there's some great places in Ryde.

Josh: I was talking to the guys down at the cafe and we're working out the weather. If we— yeah, no, I actually literally said we can't talk about the weather because I sweat more when I'm worrying about the weather.

Tommy: Jason, can you come in and— Mr. 97, can you come in and dab his head, please?

Josh: Mr. 97, do you think it's actually a problem?

Tommy: Like, are people—

Josh: You'll dab his head?

Christian: Yeah, if they can see it, it's an uncomfortable—

Tommy: He won't do it. Oh, he wouldn't dab his head. Good test, mate, you passed.

Christian: He doesn't want his face on, so he doesn't want to be associated with this in any way.

Josh: Yeah, he knows it will turn into an animated— I'll keep my little rag there. But no, we're talking about if we had $20 million, what we would do. Yeah, and, uh, Char, our mate, was saying that he would buy a mansion. My thought was I'd prefer to have an apartment in Melbourne, an apartment in New York, an apartment in London, an apartment in Tokyo. So they're not great fucking— it's not like a $20 million one in New York. It's like money.

Tommy: You got no money left after that.

Josh: Well, that's what I was saying. That's the one problem.

Tommy: You're actually in a lot of debt by then because you've leveraged the other one. You've taken out $20 million bucks.

Christian: Like, I didn't realise in America you buy a house and they pay like 10% tax every year on the value of the house. So you buy a $20 million mansion, that's $200,000 a year.

Tommy: Um, have you— do you own a house of your own?

Christian: I—

Tommy: or a property?

Christian: I make a really big adult decision 2 weeks ago where I found an apartment I really wanted to buy. Yes. And then I feel like such a gangster, so I was like, okay, here's the apartment, all right, I want to buy it. So I went in and had a look. It's the first time I've ever like—

Josh: were you looking?

Tommy: Well, are you a tyre kicker or are you legit?

Josh: What?

Tommy: A tyre kicker? Someone who's just sort of— I've done it. I've done a steer bake into an open for inspection.

Christian: I was actually— I wanted this apartment. I've been looking on like Domain for a year and then I saw this one come up and I was like, like, I want to buy at the end of the year. I was like, no, I won't. I'll go in.

Josh: What was good about it?

Christian: It was an old school '70s apartment.

Josh: You know a lot about architecture because I feel like you mention a lot of— No, it's Daryl Jackson. Okay.

Christian: I don't even know if that's his actual name.

Josh: Is Daryl Jackson from '70s or something? Like, is he '70s style, did you say?

Christian: Well, he designed stuff in the '70s.

Josh: Yeah, that's '70s.

Christian: Yeah, so, yep.

Josh: I think. Anyway, scientist guy.

Christian: Anyway, got the squeegee. I've totally forgot. Anyway, beautiful '70s apartment. They'd done like the block to the whole building, so 12 apartments, gutted them all, put all new fixtures, fittings, done them up. They were incredible. And I was like, right, I want one. So I went in, looked at it, I want it. I went back, I went to my bank, I was like, I need a loan.

Tommy: Yeah.

Christian: And I don't know how long it takes to get a home loan.

Josh: Had you spoken to the bank already and said, hey guys, I'm interested?

Christian: Not at all. Um, have you bought?

Tommy: No.

Christian: Because I feel like I'm a real hustler because 2 days later they were like, yep, you're approved.

Tommy: So good. How much effort did you have to put in? Because I'll tell you right now, I saw— I met a, um, a mortgage broker who helps people out in this. He said in his firm, all the people who own houses and had gotten mortgages through their own company then did the test again to, you know, prepare all the documents. It was a, it was a test for the company to see if they would pass it now's standards. None of them passed. So none of them legally can afford to have the house that they've got. So it's like, that's why I say, how much work did you actually put in for the document?

Josh: What's good, you're employed, like, because you're you've got.

Christian: Is it a clusterfuck?

Tommy: We're unemployed.

Josh: It's a clusterfuck because I have like a trust and shit. So I've had to like actively say, now that I'm, no, it's more that I'm poorer than you. No, the fact is that you actually, when you're self-employed, you need to start going, okay, you can't just be thinking about X, Y, like your tax and all that sort of stuff. You need to be like focusing on actual salary 'cause that's what they're looking at.

Tommy: They care about your tax return from your employer.

Christian: I'm lucky that I've got a full-time job. And then all my other money.

Josh: Good for you.

Christian: Cool.

Josh: What do they say? Weird flex, bro. Or what do they— yeah, yeah, is that what they say?

Christian: Yeah, yeah, full-time employment. Yeah, yeah. Um, and then one of them, I earned like a lot of money from doing my other stuff.

Josh: Fuck yeah.

Christian: So I think they went, this guy's a baller. Like, yeah, we'll give him a bit of money. So I got the loan.

Josh: Did you have the full deposit that you needed and shit?

Tommy: It sounds like something dodgy went on. No, it's just like the fryer to go through and declare like your monthly spending on food, monthly spending on Well, just opened up his Uber Eats.

Christian: Literally all I did. Okay, monthly I spend on Uber Eats, great. Yeah, put that in.

Tommy: Yeah, I guess that's easy then, digital.

Christian: That was it. That's all you had to do. And then they just look into your account. I don't know who that is.

Tommy: Oh, it's my wife.

Christian: Where's the squinty?

Tommy: She just said, I ordered Uber Eats.

Josh: Thanks. She ordered Uber Eats? It's like she's watching live.

Christian: She wants to be a part of this.

Tommy: Oh yeah, she knows. No, she loves you, so she's like, maybe Amy trying to get in. Say hi to Amy.

Christian: Hi, Amy. I wish you were here rather than this sweaty mess. Oh my God, like, it's like you're not— you're wearing underpants basically.

Josh: Are those— the, the way that your leg hair is, I think that's almost pubic hair.

Tommy: Well, there is a transition from where your pubic hair is. It's sort of like pubic hair, pubic hair, slightly less pubic hair, getting into normal hair, leg hair, and light hair.

Christian: Yeah.

Josh: What is it?

Tommy: What's Hang on, let's go back to the mortgage.

Christian: Sorry, and then I got my thing, went in, made an offer. I was like, I got this.

Josh: And then is it an auction or what?

Christian: No, no, no, I got passed in at auction.

Josh: Okay.

Christian: And so I feel like I had an upper hand. And then I put my offer in and it was about $50,000 less than what they wanted. And then they laughed and said, no thanks. And I was like, oh. And so I didn't actually—

Tommy: didn't get it. And they sold it?

Christian: Really disappointing. Uh, no, they haven't sold it.

Josh: Well, sure, they might.

Christian: Like, the market is really shit at the moment.

Josh: Yeah, but maybe they're going to be Like, do they put your name down or something and be like, if you're, we're all just clearing ourselves. It is just the, no, sorry. Will they keep you on a file or something? So when they decide that they're financially pinched and they have to do it.

Christian: Yeah, but I don't think I wanna buy anymore.

Tommy: Why not?

Christian: 'Cause then I freaked out. I was like, oh my God, I might have to move. And I live in like, I'm spoilt in South Melbourne where I live. It's like a mansion, two-bedroom apartment.

Tommy: I was gonna say, I thought you were saying about how many brothels It's the highest amount of brothels in one suburb, South Melbourne.

Christian: There are 11, one closed opposite me. I don't know why, business must be difficult. There are now 10, there are 10 brothels within a 200-meter radius of my place.

Josh: How many brothels are exclusively straight brothel? Like, can you go to any brothel and that it's a, and they offer gay services?

Christian: I don't, I don't know. I don't think so.

Tommy: Are you saying is there like a transsexual brothel?

Josh: Is there a, no, no, no.

Christian: I think you just, I just mean like if you want to go to a brothel As a woman to a—

Josh: No, like Christian wants to go to a brothel.

Tommy: True. Well, I think there's probably more brothels that are women servicing men, or— and so then that's why I'm saying if a woman went to one of those, is it yes or no, or do you get—

Christian: That's a really good question.

Tommy: We asked the big ones here, Christian.

Josh: Is there no need for a brothel?

Christian: Grindr is literally a female brothel.

Josh: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Christian: And then there's like saunas that men go to.

Josh: That's wet on Wellington, yes.

Christian: Geez, you know a surprising amount of like gay things for a straight person.

Josh: No, he's curious.

Tommy: He's not curious in that way, but he's very curious about the life that you lead.

Josh: I like to know.

Christian: Yep, there's heaps. Wet on Wellington.

Tommy: I will say, somehow we started talking about— oh no, I think I asked Josh, have you kissed a man before? And he said no. And he asked me, I said yes, I've pecked a man on the lips. Josh has nothing. Well, Josh has never done that. Can you peck him right now?

Christian: He's so sweaty.

Josh: It's too— I reckon if we— oh, he's been rejected.

Christian: You're saved.

Josh: It's purely because it'd be salty. I reckon I would taste like— You'd taste like semen. Is that a thing? Does sweat taste like semen?

Christian: Uh, it's— yeah, it can do. I think sweat's a bit more saltier.

Tommy: Wow. So, uh, buying a house— so you're barefoot?

Christian: Yes.

Tommy: And so what is that? So the Barefoot Investor, he wants everyone to own their own property because it's— I mean, paying rent is fucking ridiculous.

Josh: Rent money's dead money.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't think he came up with that one.

Josh: That's old school. I don't know if he even said Does it?

Christian: No, I don't think he does. But so I'm sure he does.

Tommy: So you're saying I'm not going to buy a house?

Christian: Yeah, no.

Tommy: But you've read the book?

Christian: Well, I read the book and I changed— I got all my super sorted because that was, that was one thing.

Josh: Who's your super with? Um, Host Plus. I'm with Host Plus.

Christian: No, Media Super. Oh yeah, it's a, it's an industry fund, you know, only for members. Yeah, I don't understand.

Josh: Um, John Wood runs it, I believe.

Tommy: I don't know that. Who's John Wood?

Christian: The famous guy from Blue Heelers that never won a Logan.

Tommy: Oh yes, yes.

Josh: Did he— was he in the ads?

Christian: I don't think so at all.

Josh: That's why I made the joke, otherwise it's not funny. Why did you laugh?

Christian: Because I think there is a guy in the ads that looks like John Logan. It's just a classic old big older man, and so they all look the same.

Tommy: You've sorted your shit out with the super and the bank accounts?

Christian: I'm like— I'm— this is arrogant— I don't need to use his saving techniques because Like the money, YouTube money and Facebook money is just pouring in at the moment. And I give it 2 more years and then it's gonna drop.

Tommy: Here's the reality of that though. Josh and I have talked about it and like, you know, we're paying ourselves a low salary and sort of funding the business and doing all the things we love with the thinking that this is gonna be fucking huge, guys, which is a great, I think if you don't have that, then you've got, this is gonna be bad, so why would you even start? Which is, did you have that mindset before you like it? I'm gonna make it right now. I'm, I'm feeling pretty shit. My bank account looks pretty fucked, uh, but then it all paused.

Christian: Like, the effort— it's sort of like you do all the work for free, and then all that free work you did, you suddenly just are earning money for it. So it's like all the money's coming in, but I've put, you know, 2 and a half years of like just full-time work into it. I always had the mindset of this will pay off, and you probably— I mean, if I went another year or so and nothing was happening then you'd probably be like, oh God, is this going to pay off?

Tommy: Are you an exception though?

Josh: Like, because I think there's so many people watching right now, and I feel like influencers, I feel like, would still be in like debt and just like almost flex, like they're buying shit to be able to do posts on.

Tommy: Yeah, like, I guess you've built an audience where you're talking about the happy side or the outcome that people want, but then there is the outcome that people don't want.

Christian: It's really interesting because like Instagram, when you want to be really famous on Instagram now, people are pretending they've got sponsorship deals. Yeah, so they'll tag everything and just pretend like it's a sponsored post. Brought to you by McDonald's, @McDonald's_AU. Yeah, I get that.

Tommy: And so what do you think about that?

Christian: Um, I do think I'm— I was lucky in a way because my podcast earns— like, I don't earn any revenue from that. YouTube earns— it's all right.

Josh: Is it AdSense that you make?

Christian: Yeah, yeah, it's, it's okay. Facebook is also—

Josh: how do you make money through Facebook?

Christian: Well, you, you can put ads on your Facebook videos.

Tommy: Oh, interesting.

Josh: Oh, is that a new thing or no?

Tommy: I think you have to be an influencer.

Josh: That's why we don't know about it.

Christian: I think, yeah, once you— I don't know how it happens, but then Facebook will just activate the option to do it. Um, and so that, that money's all right. But I get like people— you can go for a very long period of time and just Sadly not.

Tommy: But I guess it's the everything is going to be all right, you're making it work.

Christian: But it only takes— it's weird because you can do all this stuff and it only takes one video or one piece of content that you did, and it could have been from 3 years ago, to suddenly explode, uh, and then your YouTube channel's up and working.

Tommy: Yeah, so I just knocked the mic. I'm a bit flustered. You know what, I'm throwing in the towel, then I want the towel back. Mr. 97, can we have two sweatcloths please? I feel like I'm in a sauna.

Josh: Can we—

Christian: what is gay sauna?

Josh: It's Wet On Wellington. So the thing is, that a— are you into—

Christian: curious? Yeah, straight. You just mentioned saunas, like, okay, back to Wet On Wellington.

Tommy: No, so you want to share this with me?

Christian: No, that's right.

Josh: So saunas, what's the, um, what's the— because I don't like the, uh, I don't like heat.

Christian: Well, okay, so sauna, I think sauna might be just a a blanket term because you go in there and there's like spas, showers, holes in the wall, sex rooms. Like, okay, it's not just a sauna where you're sitting there and sweat like we are now.

Josh: And so there's a lot of other things. And so what is the, what is the protocol of all this sort of stuff? Do you normally go with friends? Do you go alone?

Christian: Either. I've been once. Yeah, it's, it's a really awkward— no, I couldn't because you've got to be naked. I couldn't take someone I know and be like Hi!

Josh: You could have been one of the hole guys.

Christian: Well you go there that's usually the plan—

Josh: um I meant the Hole in the Wall Guys yeah? Um and so what's the no but what was the actual experience about it? No no I'm curious we need to double down on this. We dive deep?

Tommy: Look inside the hole?

Josh: What is the— no, so tell us, is this a— do you think you are overly sexual in regards as a gay man, or do you just communicate it more? Like, do you think that— because that's a lot of stuff. Like, I would go my whole life obviously never doing that sort of stuff. So is it built into the community?

Christian: It's really interesting. Yes, I would say— I don't know, from my perspective, the gays are very sexual. It's like you asked me before, like, oh, what's that? And I was like, oh God. I feel so sorry for your partner.

Josh: Um, I asked what a rim job— like, a rim job is like licking the ass.

Christian: Common.

Josh: Licking the ass.

Christian: Yes. Okay. When, you know, after you've had a shower.

Josh: So is that— so that's the, the process? So you have it— are you having a lot of— how many showers do you have a day?

Christian: Just, just before.

Josh: Just before. So 3 rim jobs in one day, that's 3 showers.

Christian: Um, I don't— I say I don't— I don't—

Tommy: are you feeling uncomfortable?

Christian: Yeah, I am, I am. It's a lot of—

Tommy: well, I don't think— because I've heard you talk about some stuff, but I guess you're leading that. It's very much— you've decided to talk. So I will ask, have you been—

Christian: questions are very broad.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Like, so I need to go more specific.

Tommy: Well, I don't know, like, that's a challenge.

Josh: Okay, here's like straight relationship.

Tommy: I'll just ask— think about one, Josh. Um, Christian, have you been spotted? Like, I guess you're there, but No, people know who you are.

Christian: Well, I went years and years ago.

Tommy: Okay.

Christian: And I didn't like going to those places because it's usually just creepy older men.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And you.

Christian: And creepy younger guys.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay.

Christian: And, uh, there is not much—

Tommy: I mean, all that is different between you and them is just time. Because if you go and it's like you just— they've just kept going and then they've become the creepy old man, you know what I mean?

Christian: That was their Grindr back in the day.

Tommy: Ah, I get it.

Christian: Okay, so things are changing.

Josh: So you're going, what is it? What are your rules around people coming into your home?

Christian: Like, so the Grindr stuff, they're honestly, if anyone messages me and they're keen, I'm just like, oh, thank God.

Josh: Have you ever fucked up and gone, oh no, I've let someone in who I would never let in?

Tommy: Super fan?

Josh: No, no, even no, no, no, super fan, but just someone that's like, oh, this person's a bit, bit off. Is it like, is drugs a big part of the culture?

Christian: Oh, so there was one time, did I tell this on the last one?

Josh: No, I don't know.

Christian: I went over to the to some guy's house and he was doing meth? No, no. So I didn't know at the time. He was really attractive and when I— Probably really lean. Yeah, yes.

Josh: And you'd been up all night.

Christian: Yes, but like, um, I went over and he's like, oh, do you mind if I smoke? And I was like, oh, it's weird that you'd smoke a cigarette inside, you know. Yeah, right. And he pulls out a little pipe and then—

Tommy: and I was like, oh my God, it's pretty brazen in like in front of a—

Josh: Is it brazen or not? But is it brazen to also just go to a stranger's house?

Tommy: Definitely.

Josh: Fuck.

Tommy: Yeah, comparing brazenness.

Josh: That's not a word, but I'm not a scientific guy.

Tommy: Maybe he was judging you and he's like, fuck this guy judging me.

Christian: That's funny that you're like, is it brazen to go to someone's house? Because at the moment, like, I might not. Parks, I don't really do that anymore.

Josh: I can't, I can't, just because it's too risky.

Christian: I have to be responsible.

Tommy: That's the brand deal he's got with Parks Victoria.

Christian: Sad, slightly true. So, but I have found on Grindr now, I'll get a lot of messages of people saying like, oh, I love your videos. And my profile on Grindr, it's really obvious what I'm there for.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: You know, how do you show that? Well, can we see your profile pic or can you put penises in profile pic?

Christian: No, you can't, but it's too sleazy and I'm embarrassed by it if anyone I know saw it. And it's just fun, question mark. That's— I mean, obviously—

Josh: wait, fun, question mark? That's your profile pic?

Christian: And that—

Josh: well, there's me, you know, and you photoshopped this, so you've had to Photoshop the fun text in it.

Christian: Oh my God, this is so great. No, there's a thing that you can type in a title and it—

Josh: oh, like a status. Yeah, okay, I get it.

Tommy: Mason's taking notes for him.

Christian: Okay, so when I go on a Grindr, what do I need to do? Um, you can be anonymous on Grindr if you want.

Josh: Okay.

Christian: And the people who message me, they can be like quite attractive, and I have to be— because they know who you are, they know who I am—

Josh: I have to—

Christian: I can't initiate anything because otherwise I'm like, like a— I feel like I might be Harvey Weinsteining it. Like, oh yeah, like they might be just saying, love your videos, and that's it. That's all they wanted to say.

Tommy: Yes.

Christian: But I'm like, my profile says fun. There's an eggplant emoji, like I'm on here for this reason, or for pleasure really, not business. And, um, so I'm like, okay, are they leading into a conversation where we're going to touch dicks, or what's the deal here? And so I found it's actually getting more difficult getting recognised because I don't, I don't know what people want. Okay, so this is basically a message: if you find me on Grindr and you want to get naked, just say it.

Tommy: How about, how about you not say it?

Josh: Could you just say hi but not in like a Not in a filthy way, but could you say, "Hey, are you here?

Christian: Do you want to talk?" Oh my God, no, no, let finish. I want to hear your like, sexual tea.

Josh: I was gonna say, "Do you want to talk dirty?" is what I was going to say. And then say, "Do you want to have sex?" Is that the part?

Tommy: I mean, what you're saying is we're moving towards where we actually need, "Hi, do we have permission to go into this space?" So how do you—

Josh: No, really.

Tommy: You don't need that? You don't need signed disclosures?

Christian: Well, Grindr, I mean, you're on Grindr.

Josh: But so then what's the—

Christian: so which is the bit? I just don't want to be that like, oh, I'm a big fan, and then— and all I thought was like, he just— he thought I wanted to have sex with him, and then they tell everyone, and then I've become the actual creepy sex pest.

Josh: But could you just say in the filter, like on your— that status thing you have, but no, just not say fun, because you can send the eggplant and that's it, nothing else. Yeah, so open like a safe word.

Tommy: Yeah, it's like— yeah, the safe emoji. That could be things. Reading it through your podcast, what about launch it here?

Josh: What about asking people, what would you like to do with me?

Christian: Show me with emojis.

Josh: Oh my God, so if they do a talking emoji, you know that they're just talking.

Tommy: Josh is strategic. I think you'll— I think your, your win rate or your number would go up high taking Josh's advice. This has turned out—

Christian: please tell me what you'd want to do with me.

Josh: Show me the emoji.

Tommy: Then is there a difference between this interaction between a man and a woman and a man and a man?

Christian: Is there a different standard within, within what you've I just, I just feel like when you're on Grindr, you're there for one reason— to grind. Yes. But then some people will see my profile and just say, Trish is funny.

Josh: And then I'm like, you've got a fan.

Christian: Are you like— will I destroy the fan's dreams by being like, yeah, send nudes? And I'm like a really arrogant, creepy person.

Josh: Send him a link to that page where you do videos for people.

Christian: Oh yeah, Cami, I, I'm on that and I make so much money. What is it called?

Josh: What is this?

Christian: It's It's called Cameo. It's the most genius app, and it's, it's an American app. And, um, you sign up, you log in your profile, and people can pay— they pay you to record a message for a friend or for themselves, and they give you a little blurb.

Tommy: And so what's the— in— what's the interest— most interesting one you've done? Like, who have you sent it?

Christian: Oh, I did a, I did a baby announcement. So they were like, can you announce the gender and the fact that we're pregnant, and we're going to send this to our family? That is awesome.

Tommy: That is awesome.

Christian: And then like a wedding Congratulations on getting married that they play at a wedding, and there's just the typical birthday ones.

Tommy: How do you pick them? How do you get paid? Like, what's the— how do you set the fee, or do they set the fee?

Christian: I can set it. So like, Draco from Harry Potter's on it.

Tommy: Interesting.

Christian: Draco.

Josh: I thought Draco—

Tommy: what does it cost for him?

Christian: I wonder if he's like $500. So it looks like that sounds cheap. 30-second message, $500.

Tommy: I guess it only takes 30 seconds, but like, it's Draco. And so you're getting— is it— are you getting requested to do this?

Christian: Like, yeah. Yeah, so I—

Tommy: Hi Christian, love you.

Christian: So I make $20 and yeah, I've done, I've earned like probably like $3 grand from it.

Josh: That's great.

Christian: Yeah, it's crazy. In like 6 months. 'Cause I did a thing, I was like, oh, you're struggling to find a Christmas present? Why not have Trish leave a message?

Josh: Has there been anyone where it's like whatever the message is, it sort of has made you feel bad about charging? So it's like someone's been like, oh, hey Christian, can you do one to explain to my girlfriend that we're bankrupt? It's Trish here.

Christian: I mean, luckily I haven't got this, but like, hi, I've just been diagnosed with cancer. I was wondering if you could leave me a message. You get a lot, like, but you get—

Tommy: Catfish.

Josh: Awful.

Christian: You get a lot of that, like, on all the platforms. Really? Yeah.

Josh: How do— because I was wondering about that. Like, I was thinking about the scale of anything. Think about Hamish and Andy, and they— people have been, uh, in car accidents and died while listening to Hamish and Andy.

Christian: Oh wow, that is deep.

Josh: But don't you think about that? Like, I was wondering, I was like, surely no one's died listening to that.

Tommy: Can I just say, do you think anyone's been— you have ever been in a car and gone, imagine if we just got fucking T-boned and died?

Christian: I thought that on the way here.

Tommy: Do you reckon they've thought that and it's happened? Like this conversation, we're all driving.

Josh: But that's what scares us. That's why my mum's always like, don't ever say that, because she thinks that you're putting it into the world.

Tommy: She also watched The Secret and she knows about the law of attraction. She hasn't seen The Secret?

Josh: No, she hasn't. No, no, no, mum hasn't seen it. I know what it's all about.

Tommy: Are you a secret guy?

Josh: Like, he's got secrets. Check out his Grindr.

Christian: So many. Um, no, but I'm more of attracted to crystals.

Josh: Crystal meth.

Christian: No, no, I feel like crystal meth is like fine, and then when you believe in the power of like crystals and quartz, you've gone crazy. It's just a bunch of bullshit.

Tommy: But how did you actually get into crystals?

Christian: Well, see, I got into it because it's currently the in thing at the moment.

Josh: And with who?

Christian: Well, when you watch like Vogue do these like apartment tours with like Tommy Hilfiger and all these—

Josh: What the fuck is that called? The 72 Questions?

Christian: No, that one's shit. I hate that.

Josh: Why are they so— they're so contrived. They're like, oh, thanks for coming. It's like, what do you like to do on the weekend? I don't know. And then they just keep— and they like— and then they and they turn and they do another bit. It's so bad.

Christian: Those 72 question videos is where they— so they have a famous person.

Josh: Is it 72? I think it's like 40-something maybe. 72 seems a lot of questions. I'm sure I haven't sat through 70.

Tommy: I'm pretty sure it's like 71 questions with maybe it just feels like 72 questions.

Christian: It goes on for hours and they're just like, "My favourite colour is blue," and they're in their apartment which is like 45 million. It's the most unrelatable horrible thing. But the one thing you notice in all of these apartments massive crystals. So I was like, I want to get in on this trend that rich white people are doing. And so I've gotten into crystals and I went to Byron, Byron Bay. That's very hippie and they've got this whole place dedicated to crystals. Yeah.

Josh: And it's called Kmart?

Christian: No, Kmart haven't picked up on it yet. Spotlight, Josh.

Tommy: Actually, you could imagine they'd get into that.

Christian: They absolutely will because at the moment Um, you can only get them and they're really expensive, so I paid like $400 for like a handful and they just sit.

Josh: Do you regret getting them?

Christian: Not at all.

Josh: I bought a coin. Uh, Mr. 97, can you just grab my coin?

Christian: See, these crystals are supposed to be like they heal you, they make sure you're like— you're— I don't— it's just bullshit.

Josh: This is what I bought.

Tommy: This is a more realistic thing to purchase over a—

Christian: this looks disgusting. Memento Mori.

Josh: What is this?

Christian: What does this say? You could live— oh fuck, I can't even read. You could leave life right now.

Josh: Yeah, it's a coin to remind you that you're gonna die.

Tommy: Your mum would hate this coin. Have you told her about it?

Josh: Yeah, I told mum. She was like, that's sick.

Tommy: Well, because it's the same as the car thing.

Josh: Yeah, that's full on. Yeah, but so you're meant to just carry it with you and it's just a constant reminder if it's— if it's sick. What have you just asked?

Tommy: Nothing, just telling a secret.

Christian: Yeah. Did you whisper it loud enough so that everyone can hear it? No, it wasn't.

Tommy: No, you can't.

Christian: How much did this cost you?

Josh: Yeah, uh, $70.

Christian: You didn't even lie, didn't it? Why would you not lie about that?

Josh: Well, because we spoke about— well, the thing was it was $29 and then they fucking, um, uh, they get with shipping and the—

Christian: so I've started, um, like I sell a lot of merch and like, like some— so someone is—

Josh: what's your most popular merch?

Christian: $70 for this. And what I've started doing is is the Trish wig hair. So Trish is the character I play, it falls out. So I've started to roll the wig hair up into balls and then I've cast it in resin in like pendants and I haven't sold it yet, but I'm gonna sell it. That sounds so shit.

Tommy: No, it's amazing.

Christian: You bought a stupid piece of hair for $70.

Josh: Is the resin at least, I can just imagine bubbles in the resin. Have you got it so the resin?

Christian: No, it's clear cast resin.

Josh: It looks good.

Tommy: It's not the ready resin.

Josh: Is it in like a very Grace, have you— what's a mold?

Christian: I've bought the mold.

Josh: What sort of mold?

Christian: Teardrop mold.

Josh: Oh, that's nice. So this is legit.

Tommy: I just imagine the next episode Josh has got one on.

Christian: If you give us 2, we'll wear them. They set last night.

Tommy: For one episode.

Christian: They look hideous, but I just like— I'm seeing if people would buy a little lock of Trish's hair.

Tommy: Well, the Trish hair almost looks like pubic hair. Like, it looks thick.

Christian: It's not— it's nylon, whatever it is. Yeah, it's like fully long. Okay, inside into your nether regions.

Josh: Guys, do you know what's fucked up? I just realised that I'm sweating so much, I've— my hands have become— what's that called?

Tommy: You look like you've been in a spa.

Josh: Yeah, like my, my actual—

Christian: my hands.

Josh: What is that called?

Tommy: What is that? They're pruned. Like, uh, what do you call it?

Josh: What's that called?

Tommy: Pruning, is it? Pruning?

Josh: No, it's like, oh no, I've just gone into the bath for too long and now I'm all Wrinkly. Wrinkly.

Tommy: Wrinkly. Yeah, wrinkly.

Josh: Is that it?

Christian: Your reaction to that word? Um, wrinkle.

Josh: Oh yeah, I'm all like, uh, wrinkly.

Christian: I don't know.

Tommy: I heard that that was for underwater, being able to grip. Is that a thing? That's a radio thing.

Josh: You've probably—

Christian: you're the scientist.

Tommy: Did you hear it?

Christian: Yeah, but then I was literally—

Tommy: I'm getting there too. Uh, so it helps you grip things underwater.

Josh: One of my favourite things about being a Patron on your Patreon or whatever, a patron of your Patreon. You sent, uh, do something on that. No, you sent some merch.

Christian: Yeah, I sent you some keyrings.

Josh: Um, the, the one thing that I had to get rid of, I think I actually threw it out, was the car fragrance because it was giving us asthma.

Christian: It's really bad, isn't it? The smell's pretty— I like it, but everyone hates it. It's like a coconutty summer smell.

Josh: There's no— I love coconut. But the, um, patronising look.

Tommy: I was trying to think about— I get the coconut bit. I'm trying to think about the summery smell. What does summer smell like?

Josh: It smells like right now.

Christian: It's like, this is the weird part. If you ever— what, those fancy candles and you go and they're like called Ocean Breeze?

Josh: Oh yeah.

Christian: What the hell? An ocean breeze is just like dry, salty air.

Josh: Yeah.

Christian: Or like, and then there's like Black Musk. What the names?

Josh: Musk. I don't like this.

Christian: I feel like— I love the smell of it.

Tommy: Really? Like lolly musk.

Josh: Musk sticks.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I love it.

Josh: Is that what a musk is?

Christian: Old school.

Tommy: You think of—

Josh: I'm thinking of musk sticks.

Christian: Yeah, like a—

Tommy: no, musty.

Josh: Musty.

Christian: Yeah, like bedroom smells a bit musky.

Josh: What's, what's happening with the troll shit I saw on Insta Stories?

Tommy: I'm gonna cross this. Can you just— can you, um, give us the—

Christian: yeah, I'm done with that. I just realized, like, I don't actually ever get trolled. Yeah, um, and then you're fighting someone else's battle, but I thought I thought I knew what trolling was, and then a friend of mine, I read through her comments, I was like, whoa, they're quite severe, and they know so much about you, and they watch your stuff. And she was just being trolled really badly, and they'll screenshot her lives and put them on these like bad parenting accounts, and it's really full-on.

Tommy: Is it?

Christian: And I just got angry.

Tommy: I mean, not that I don't even know anything about what you're saying, but when— but say about— I don't know anything. What I'm saying, it wasn't me that sent those, but I don't know about this situation. Is there ever a point to sort of like, if like there's lots and lots of people saying a similar thing, as someone who's got a big following, because I don't, so I'm not speaking out of, you know, experience here, like, is there ever a moment you look at all of the stuff, fuck, I'm seeing that a lot?

Josh: If everyone's saying that you're a cunt, are you a cunt? Yeah, yeah.

Christian: So The funny part of it is, is they don't often say the same thing. It's usually just one person who has a fake account who just sort of critiques the friend of mine that was just talking about, you know, how she's supposedly really hypocritical and she's doing all these brand deals, but her kids are buying— they've got hand-me-down shoes and all this stuff.

Tommy: And her family are expensive. Yeah, he can fuck off. Well, she can fuck off.

Christian: And like, it's like this— why I don't want to get into this weird headspace because I got really angry and everything. You try and justify everything. It's like, well, clearly the person commenting, like, they've got bipolar and they're in an episode or something's wrong. And you try and justify everything. You're like, you can't.

Josh: Like, were people defending? Like, when you were calling out the troll person, what was sort of the feedback you were getting from people?

Christian: They were like, yeah, we don't tolerate this. But then it's like this— you can't do anything. Yeah, you try to report it and it doesn't get deleted and it's just it's just easy to ignore it. But then what, what I realised is when people say— because I'm not the one getting trolled, it was a friend of mine— and when you say just ignore it or delete it, you have to read the comment before you delete it. So it puts you in that really bad headspace. And so I was just trying to get the account blocked and then banned, but then they just set up another fake one, and then they just spew all this hypocritical stuff, and it makes you really angry. But you're like—

Josh: and then you're under attack as well then.

Christian: Oh yeah, so suddenly I've, I've discovered these—

Josh: you've got your own troll.

Christian: So there's a website, I don't know if I want to—

Josh: Yeah, don't say it.

Christian: So it's a website dedicated to just really being horrible, and there's all these different threads. Imagine it's called Reddit. No, Reddit is nice compared to this.

Tommy: Really?

Christian: It's literally just bitchy jealous people, and it's not 4chan, commenting about every post. It's not 4chan. Wow, it's like an anonymous— you can be anonymous and they'll name you and I discovered it because I started calling out these trolls. I was suddenly appearing on these threads, and, um, like, that's just awful. And it's mostly to women or gay men because it's mostly gay men and women who are commenting and being awful trolls.

Josh: Really?

Christian: They're just— I think it just comes from a place of jealousy. The guy, we know who it is. This is the bad part. We know who the main instigator is, but they're so good at just—

Josh: how, how do you link it? Or what's the—

Christian: oh, like, there's, there's about 5 friends of mine, um, who I know from Instagram, and they've all said exactly the same thing about one person. And so I've put this together. I'm like, they all know who's trolling. Then this person has an open Facebook page, like they have their own Facebook page, and, and they say negative things about these women.

Josh: Yeah, not—

Christian: they don't really go hard on them. Yeah, but they say the same things— a crowd, yeah, on Instagram as their anonymous profile, but they really go them. And then you look at the history of this person, they had to delete their Instagram account. They had like 200,000 followers, and so I think they're jealous.

Josh: And 200,000 followers, that's a lot. Yeah, so maybe there's a business in being a troll. There is.

Christian: This was before, so they were a troll, they were really successful on Facebook, and then I don't know what happened, they got bitter. Their account got blocked and shut down. And then, um, now they just troll.

Tommy: I'm just picturing your house, big corkboard, string, string going to this person.

Josh: I'll get right into that.

Christian: I was, I was trying to be really FBI and I was going to get a hacker to go in and see what email accounts were linked to the troll accounts. Because as soon as I found out, as soon as I had the slightest bit of evidence that it was this person, I was just going to out them. But then I realised that's probably not a great idea. You just open the floodgates.

Tommy: Yeah, you're meeting them with what they do by releasing it. It's like everyone everyone sort of bashes down people for doing stuff. And it seems like they're jumping on the bandwagon of criticising someone who's done something wrong, but it's almost as bad.

Josh: Have you seen— have you read Jon Ronson's book So You've Been Publicly Shamed? No. It's very good. Yes, talks about how like everyone— it ends up becoming a stack zone where someone does something bad and then everyone else ends up being worse by going after all these people.

Christian: Yes. Well, that's the thing. You just end up being, um, the catty, also bitchy, diva type person for sticking up for your friends.

Tommy: Well, you're giving it energy and it keeps the fuel going, but then it keeps the fire going.

Christian: I watched a— there's this big thing with Gordon Ramsay and Sofia Vergara that has resurfaced from Sofia, the one from Modern Family. Manny, what are you doing? And she was being interviewed by Jay Leno And she's very pretty.

Tommy: Who's she married to?

Josh: Uh, Jay. Jay.

Christian: Is it Jay Rodriguez? No, in real life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy from Magic Mike. You know, the big Joe Manganiello.

Tommy: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's it.

Christian: Yeah, the hottest couple in the world and their son Manny. Yeah, great, good input. Um, and Gordon Ramsay was making a lot of sexual innuendo toward her and she was sort of laughing it off. And someone was like—

Tommy: In the real lives or on the internet? Was he saying this stuff?

Christian: No, on—

Josh: On Jay Leno.

Christian: With Jay Leno. And so she's on live TV and so Gordon's gotten into a bit of trouble for this and then— But people are going—

Tommy: Blamed it on a spicy curry. Just— I was on edge. I couldn't help myself.

Christian: Bad taste. But people were judging her for not saying anything or not sticking up for herself and then other people were saying, well, if she shut him down and left the interview, she'd be a diva. So it didn't matter what she did in any situation, she just would have been criticized. And so ultimately they were like, well, she did the right thing. You just have to bend over and take it and smile and pretend like it's funny that he said, oh, put your dick in my mouth.

Josh: And she's like, is that what he said?

Christian: No, but he was saying like, it was, it was implying some really—

Tommy: he was using lingo from the kitchen.

Josh: Yes, absolutely.

Tommy: But don't you think it's Jay?

Josh: Do you think— I think Jay Leno was the host, has some responsibility to the guests. No, it's real.

Christian: It's so difficult.

Tommy: Well, it's— there's— it's an entertainment show and the energy. Maybe he's going, fuck, if I meet this with this sort of friction, it will then pull apart the show. It doesn't mean he's— he should have done that, he should not have done that. It'd be like if a guy came up to me and sort of started trying to intimidate me and then I met him with the same level of friction, we would probably punch on, which if you didn't want it, if he's like calling me, you're a little wimp, look at your little arms, just agree with him and then it shuts down. Yeah, okay, so I get that, but it doesn't solve the problem. I think that's what they're saying. Her not speaking up in that moment from a power dynamic could have changed something, or it could have fucked everything.

Josh: But the power dynamic point of view, if you've got two guests at a house, you're the host and a guest is being an asshole to the other guest As this is why I don't host any events or parties, because it's your job to then say, hey John, stop being a fuckhead.

Tommy: When the cameras are on, there's the hard thing. It's not real life, it's fucking television. Because if I was at home, I'd be like, pull your head in, mate. That's fucking—

Josh: but isn't that even more— I know, like, have you seen her husband?

Tommy: He's ripped and smash your head in, Gordon.

Josh: But isn't the pushback though nowadays, it's like because they are on TV they actually should be held at a higher standard. And so in that regard, that he needs to call it out because otherwise people think it is okay. Because if we just say it's only—

Tommy: it's okay to harass people when they're on TV, if you're a person that thinks it's okay just because Jay Leno didn't say something, you're a fucking idiot. It's not okay. You can't do that. And that's why I think there is a bunch of people that would be fucking idiots and think think that's, haha, or think, yeah, that's funny, yeah, she's hot. But they're like, they're the ones that are the problem.

Christian: Yeah.

Tommy: And so there's a lot of people that would be of the school of thinking of, that's not fucking okay.

Christian: Yeah.

Tommy: And so it's, it's so complex.

Christian: So this is like, do you— have you spoken about the Gillette ad? No. Do you— have you avoided talking? No, no, no, no. I've seen it.

Josh: Uh, I, I heard a— I heard the audio of it.

Christian: Well, because I was, I was very much like, it doesn't matter that— so the Gillette ad is Gillette, the shaving company, released an ad, uh, trying to fix like toxic masculinity. We should be teaching kids not to fight. And it was basically, you know, um, just saying men need to be accountable for stuff. And then a lot of people were angry at them, and, and I didn't understand why, why were men getting angry at a brand sort of being a bit preachy. And then I recently watched a video. Have you heard of Friendly Jordies? Yeah, yeah. And I, I haven't.

Josh: What is that?

Tommy: Um, a dude from Adelaide who, he's a comedian but he also does a lot of research. He's got a team, they, he's very political. So he dissects, this is what I've heard, dissects something going on, talking about the media company that's publishing it, the reason behind it.

Christian: He's very young and he, he's, uh, you a fan of his? Yes and no. So I go in and out of things that he says. He also hates The Project, but I'm like, the people I work with are all the people on The Project. But he— I usually watch his stuff and I go, oh, don't agree with that, or I do. But then he did something on the Gillette ad and I was like, this is the greatest video. And he was like— because he was saying why men were getting angry about being told, and then why women were like, well, what's bad about a company saying that we shouldn't be doing this, and blah blah blah. And then he's he uncovered that Gillette have like child labour and then they don't pay their workers, uh, to make the product. And that he was saying like we should be angry at the fact that here's a company cashing in on, you know, a hot button issue when they don't actually pay anyone.

Tommy: And yeah, 100%. I mean, there's people around the table— not even judging what was in the ad— people around the table at Gillette, the marketing managers, thinking 'Yes, this is our opportunity to help people.' No, you're fucking thinking about the bottom line. That's 100%. That is a— that is something you are thinking.

Christian: Yeah, and that's what the Friendly George video sort of proved to me and realised that that undoes everything that they've been trying to do. They're not trying to help and be good because if they were, they'd fix their own factories.

Josh: Is it a one step? Is the marketing bit— is it like, okay, marketing can only do what marketing does could this maybe force them— now that they've done that and this has come out, they've, they've set themselves at a higher standard. So now they've allowed people to go in and be like, well, you're actually not doing things ethically here, here, and here. So now they're in a position publicly where they have to start fixing those things. So is it the first step potentially for making—

Christian: I don't think so—

Josh: progress?

Christian: I mean, mate, well, yes, maybe in the long run.

Tommy: Did you fight with your brothers? Were you wrestling and stuff?

Christian: No. Oh no, God. They were with each other but I just hid in my room. Yeah.

Tommy: See, I mean there's one bit in it where it's like boys will be boys or something about the kids wrestling around. It's like, I think it's something of being a child.

Christian: But it's, it's, that's the other thing. It's sort of, you said a really good point before. It's like the ad talks to people who it shouldn't be talking to. Like everyone knows that you don't go and, you know, rape women. You don't— like, that's not something that we need to be really taught. I was never sat down and taught that. It's just, you just know that you don't do that. But a mentally ill person or someone that grows up where you think that's like, that's fine to do, won't respond to that ad.

Tommy: Yeah, fuck, I respect Gillette as a brand. I'm changing my ways as someone who suffers a serious issue and is the person that perpetrates.

Christian: Yeah, and I think Gillette also are saying to other men that we need to call that behaviour out.

Tommy: I don't know, 100%, I will call it out. I was watching the other day, I was like, these young kids—

Christian: too scary.

Tommy: Yeah, I guess that's— there's a danger in doing it. I was walking past, I saw these young kids, and I saw this girl working, walking. She was in a, you know, a skirt, and they were young, probably like 16, 17, but they looked like trouble. I know trouble when I see it. I was probably them, and I was just— I was conscious about what they were going to do to her or say to her. And one of them was just like, like doing this, you know, moving his head, but they didn't say anything. I was like, fuck, if, if they said anything, I probably would have whistled and gone, fucking—

Josh: not a wolf whistle.

Tommy: Yeah, not wolf whistle. Double down, pull your fucking heads in or something like that. Yeah, I, I will do that. And I think, is that— that's calling it out.

Josh: I think that's physical.

Tommy: That is good. But then if I get shanked 'Cause they're little rats from the fucking, you know, outer burbs.

Josh: Yeah, but then you can put like—

Tommy: Wallet? Yeah. Keep your knife in your wallet, it's pretty small one.

Josh: Yeah, it's quite niche.

Tommy: It is complex.

Christian: It's just a hard— like, what do you do? Yeah.

Josh: What's on for 2019? What are you excited about?

Christian: Oh, I've just announced I'm doing a show, doing a bunch of shows, doing comedy tour.

Josh: So you did a tour last year, was that like just like a run-through type of like— what was that like a test show for you?

Christian: That was just to see if I could actually do I can do like a live show and make— actually make people laugh. Uh, yeah, look, 40% of them laughed, so that was, that was good.

Tommy: I'd take 40%.

Christian: Yeah, I know.

Tommy: And it depends on how you sell it. You're not selling it as 60% didn't laugh.

Christian: Well, I see, I'm selling the show as this will be the worst show you ever see.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Christian: You're getting easy going. They can't complain. Exactly. Um, and so now I'm doing like 9 shows around Australia.

Josh: And what's the, what's the content of the show?

Christian: I don't even know yet. It's just storeys from my life that are planned. Like, obviously my podcast is completely unplanned.

Josh: Is there any singing in it?

Christian: Um, ah, maybe.

Tommy: Trish makes a cameo.

Christian: Trish is making a cameo.

Tommy: Great.

Christian: Yep, she's going to give some advice. She's the know-it-all.

Tommy: Do you do interaction with people? Like, get them up on stage?

Christian: No, that scares me too much.

Josh: Why does the project fucking sweat this much?

Tommy: Yeah, that's the point.

Christian: They have air conditioning, they have sound air conditioning in their room.

Josh: Is that what it is? Yeah. So this is, we've got everything, we've got it except the aircon.

Christian: So comfortable. Do we go to exactly an hour?

Josh: Yeah, well, we're finishing recording.

Christian: That aircon needs to go back on, I feel.

Tommy: Have you had a good time?

Christian: I have.

Josh: And so the—

Christian: I want to go back to work. I'm essentially on the clock and I was like, yeah, I'm just ducking out for, um, just some McDonald's for breakfast. 3 hours later I rock up at lunch, oh, I've got to duck out for lunch. I am, because I'm going to watch the Channel 9 news broadcast tonight.

Josh: Hitchie?

Christian: Hitchie.

Tommy: Peter Hitchener.

Christian: Peter Hitchener is a big fan of mine.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Can you tell him that you're on the Daily Talk Show today? Because we want—

Josh: yeah, he actually confirmed in the name— his producer, who's also, uh, assistant, also named Peter.

Tommy: Yes, uh, that's confusing.

Josh: Very confusing. Was it Dr. Peter? I feel like there was something at— no, he was like an Order of Australia. There was something at the end of his name where I'm like Peter Hitchener has a legit EA, like it's like a real—

Christian: Yeah, it's Peter Hitchener, he's like the newsman of Australia.

Josh: And so yeah, we were going to get Peter on before I went overseas, but then we couldn't get in time. So we're definitely—

Christian: You might have to go to Peter.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's what we're going to do.

Christian: No, he would, he would definitely, but I would feel so bad if Pete had to sit here and deal with this.

Tommy: So aircon, on before Peter gets in.

Josh: And so the tour thing, what's the audience like? What's the demographic?

Christian: They're mums let loose for a night who haven't had wine in a long time.

Josh: And there's alcohol? Yeah. So during the show, like, you can—

Christian: oh yeah, you can bring a glass of wine.

Josh: What venues?

Tommy: What sort of venues? Melbourne Theatres?

Christian: Comics Lounge in Melbourne. Oh yeah, they're like 500 people.

Josh: Awesome.

Christian: Perth's 1,000.

Josh: Really? There's 1,000 people in Perth?

Tommy: Yep. What's the one in Melbourne? How many people?

Christian: 500.

Tommy: Can we come do a show backstage?

Josh: Just Christians out there, we should do a video. Was that you gagging on someone?

Christian: I'm the most nervous backstage. So 45 minutes before the show I cry and then I don't want to do it, but then as soon as I'm on stage—

Tommy: that wasn't an invite to actually get you on our show, that was just an invite for us to do a show back there.

Christian: No, no, we On the stage before.

Josh: No, we should, um, we should do a video. No, we should do a video like a behind the scenes because I did that video on you, One Story Up.

Christian: No, you thought— Sweating. It's, well, basically exactly now.

Josh: And we've done it for an hour.

Tommy: And they've got— have they got silent aircon? That's the big question.

Josh: No, you're gonna be demanding it now. And so you go to—

Tommy: what, do you get a writer? Do you get a writer?

Christian: No, actually, I never thought about that.

Tommy: No, get your writer.

Christian: Put on a writer. Um, Hot naked men, fizzy water, fizzy and mineral water. Yep. Yeah, SodaStream.

Josh: So do you like SodaStream? Yep. Okay, now I'm all about it. Is there different levels of bubbles that you can do in a SodaStream? Because I've been getting into fizzy water.

Tommy: Mr. 97, you've got one.

Josh: Can you have levels of different levels of bubbles? Depends on how you press the bubble. We went down a rabbit hole yesterday of watching videos of people's SodaStreams exploding Did you see the kid who put red wine in?

Tommy: Making a bit of rosé, sparkling rosé.

Christian: And the whole thing explodes, just goes everywhere. It's the greatest. Oh, I love that so much.

Josh: You're on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, all that sort of stuff. Have you got a schedule for like you doing a weekly video on YouTube?

Christian: I do a video every 2 days.

Josh: Fuck.

Christian: It's a lot.

Josh: Yeah, just youtube.com/christianhull.

Christian: That's me.

Josh: Yeah, it's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. If you want to send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. We're We're gonna go off and— I was gonna say have a shower.

Tommy: Well, what happens at the end of together? We're very close to 1 hour. What do you do at the very end?

Christian: Because you suck each other off.

Josh: No, what is the very fine— like, is it—

Tommy: is that the end? And then what?

Christian: Well, once you've jizzed, that's it, you go home. Okay, well, some people, they can do it multiple times, so it depends on who you are.

Tommy: And I'm done. I'm not going.

Josh: He's already— all right, well, if Tommy's done, if Tommy's done, I guess we're all done. It's a Daily Talk Show. Have a good one, guys. There's the thumbnail.

Christian: Turn the aircon on.

Tommy: Oh.