Suburb Snob

Tommy: Wait a minute, crossface!

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 220.

Tommy: That's, uh, hang on, Fat Fridays is No, this is the less than 1% sugar for the Slurpee. This would be a great ad if it was an ad, but I just, I felt like I needed something before today's show, so I did a quick, uh, mission down to 7-Eleven to get a Slurpee. I was, I was actually pretty surprised that all 4 burners were going. All 4, um, yeah, all 4 Slurpee flavours were actually working.

Josh: What, uh, so you've gone the 1% Sugar, is that the idea?

Tommy: Yeah, 1% sugar, 99% cancer.

Josh: It's probably more than that.

Tommy: It's fluoro orange.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's so full on. But I just thought like this is 1% of this whole thing is sugar.

Josh: But 1% of the syrup, like I'm sure they're fucking with you. I'm sure that the, 'cause if you think about it, it's quite, getting a lot of slurp action sounds. That's fine. No, but I would assume that there's a lot of, like the actual amount of syrup that you're getting isn't that much. Well, if I was pulling a Sarah Wilson, that I wouldn't be having it.

Tommy: I quit sugar, I haven't quit sugar. So I'm all good. If anything, I've got a little sugar hit for today.

Josh: That's good, a little bit of a buzz, just a tiny little tinkle.

Tommy: Yeah, well, how are you feeling after our returns mission?

Josh: I'm feeling, once it hits my account, it'll feel good.

Tommy: Well, so bring you up to speed, everybody. Josh, we purchased something for the podcast. It was on special, and so I was like, Highly discounted, but still quite expensive, but it was a bargain. You even had some reassurance from Richard next door who said, "Oh, that's cheap." Yeah, it was a good deal.

Josh: No, but the funny thing is it was at the teething phase of as we're transitioning into the business where I could still manage to justify it by saying, "Hey, I'm gonna buy this through my business, through Full Stack, and then we can transfer it over, blah, blah," which was a great, mechanism, the final mechanism, the final chance I had of buying something that expensive without pre-approval.

Tommy: And then today I said, mate, seeing as we're not using this, do you reckon you could take that back? Do you reckon they'd accept it if you took it back?

Josh: There was a whole nother bit to that, which was over the weekend I saw Trevor Long, our mate, EFTM is his podcast. He did an article about RØDE. Who have, Rode do like microphone, you know, our microphones, not these specific ones, but we've got Rode microphones.

Tommy: They do awesome Aussie company. Yeah, it's there. They like the pioneers of some of the camera onboard camera microphones.

Josh: Yeah, like super easy solutions that are still the video mic quality pro and stuff like that. That's what Casey Neistat uses. Anyway, they, not to get too technical, but they just released a mixer that has all of this technology integrated into it. Which is perfect for live streaming, for podcasting.

Tommy: Yeah, you can take phone calls. We can take, um, yeah, so you can have my mobile phone, someone calls that, then we Bluetooth that to the mixer.

Josh: It's called the RODECaster if you want to Google it.

Tommy: It's pretty much a radio studio for the, for about $800.

Josh: Yeah, and because I was amazing, I was looking, I went to the X, that, uh, expo that I was in Amsterdam for, and there was, um there were all these companies doing sort of, they call them consoles, like mixers or whatever, but none of, they're all for radio. They're not designed, they're like tens of thousands of dollars or at least 5 grand. So I'd found this solution that was like $2,700 and I was gonna put it all together, like do a bit of a hack job where it was a real custom solution. And then RØDE over the weekend came up with this.

Tommy: So I said, should you try and, do you reckon you can even? 'cause it's been like 3 weeks. And there was a bit of pushback, but I totally pushed through it because I knew what the pushback is. The pushback is people who don't wanna return shit because it makes them feel a bit uncomfortable because you have to engage in this, there's a chance that they won't. There's this awkward conversation about why you wanna return it. And then there's potentially some bullshit you gotta spin if it, like if they've got some policies around it, even if you just aren't gonna use it. And so, You did the first thing, which is, oh, look at their website. And I just wanted you to call straight up to see if they would.

Josh: But it turns out they had a 30-day money-back guarantee policy.

Tommy: Yeah, genius. So you've got your money back?

Josh: Well, it hasn't hit the account yet, but it was huge.

Tommy: You're one console down. So if they don't give you money back, they've robbed you.

Josh: But no, it was a very good lesson. Maybe part of it was because on the weekend, on Sunday, I had gnocchi and it was so delayed that they gave it to me on the house. Maybe all of these things have sort of— I didn't even have to ask for that. Yeah. So maybe it was giving me the confidence to be a customer that sort of— it wasn't even a complaint.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, we've talked about people using like Afterpay and Michelle wrote us a really interesting email about people in the UK doing this where they're getting stuff sent to them, they'll cheque it and then send it back. Or sorry, they'll wear it to an event, make sure it's clean, and then send it back. So there's this, there's a, there's a big issue. Amy had done it a couple of times just because she wanted to visually see from an online store what the garment looked like, and then she sent the garment back. But that's, that's like, there's still, it's not like going into the store. Like, we bought some shoes for Bodhi. Amy bought some shoes for Bodhi on the weekend, these cute little things. Um, they're like little sandals. And Bodhi's got a fat, fat foot. He's got the biggest foot. It's like 2 centimetres longer than his, um, than his cousin's foot. So my brother's daughter, but also she's a year older. Fat. And it's wide. Yeah, he's a big fat-footed freak.

Josh: He'll probably end up being what I like to call the New Balance club.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I hope not.

Josh: Well, I wear New Balance because I was actually, no joke, I was in a, um a CVS supermarket, uh, washing my hands, and a guy said, uh, this, uh, this old dude who would have been probably not that old, maybe in his 60s or something, him and I were having a great convo about how great New Balance— he saw my New Balance shoes.

Tommy: Good, good banter.

Josh: Yeah, and he was— and we're talking about how great it is for wide feet, and he said it was the only shoe that he could wear.

Tommy: You did the wide foot handshake as well. I bring it in here. Brilliant. Here, you're one of the, one of the crew. But yeah, Bodhi bought the— we bought the shoes and he wore them, kahooning around the house for a while, and they cut into his foot. And, um, we— Amy said to my mum, can you take these back? Because Southland was closed when we realised that his foot was too wide and we got the original size, not the wide foot size.

Josh: I would actually be up for returning if I outsourced it. Yeah. So, yeah, so your mum said, yeah, sure. Yeah.

Tommy: And she went back and got them. But this is So you— there's a high chance of something you're wearing in a shop has been returned or worn by someone, some little snotty kid or, you know, an adult that's just worn something and taken it back. So there is something weird about it. I always think about what people do with the thing when it goes back. Like this, what do you think they're going to do with this piece of audio equipment that you've—

Josh: I guess they'll put it— I don't know what they'll do. I guess that they would probably sell it as a, um, open box at a reduced price. I got it on sale anyway, so I feel like they're just going to sell it at what the sale price was. That'd be my guess.

Tommy: What about like those mattress companies that do the 100-day return?

Josh: Surely they're banking on just people— no, I know what they actually do, uh, send them to charities.

Tommy: Oh, that's good.

Josh: That's the whole like— I think it was Casper or one of them. That's the— is it Casper or is Casper the—

Tommy: Casper was— no, Casper was a Yeah, it might still work.

Josh: One of them, they, um, their whole thing is if you don't like it, they'll ship it to a, like, a charity centre type of thing.

Tommy: Fuck yeah.

Josh: But the, um, I have actually returned stuff before. I don't know, this would have been pre-us starting the podcast, but I was getting into Mr. Porter. Do you remember this in my friendship, in our friendship, me getting into Mr. Porter?

Tommy: Mate, you've had that many parcels arrive. You had one with about 70 books arrive today. I'm looking over The stack's as long as my arm.

Josh: You've got a very chodey arm.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I, um, but so my point being is you've had a lot of parcels arrive. Well, there's been a lot of anxiety around, is my parcel coming today? Have I got my thing? Have I got my new t-shirts? Have I got my new socks? So which one is it? Is it just one of them?

Josh: No, so it's similar. No, Mr. Porter, I actually am not bad at all. I know a a guy who every day would have packages.

Tommy: There's always someone that takes more heroin than you.

Josh: That's true. Yeah, that's very true. No, but so Mr Porter— what I was always— I remember Bri got me some socks from Mr Porter one year for Christmas at Doctor Who? It's Doctor Who? No, Mister Who? No. What's the—

Tommy: Dr Who?

Josh: No, no, it's not what I'm even thinking.

Tommy: Dr Phil!

Josh: What's that board game where you'd put up— Guess Who?

Tommy: Guess Who?

Josh: Yeah, it's not Guess Who. I thought Guess Who, but then what I realized, I was thinking of what's the mystery one where it's like, ah, there's a spoon and a—

Tommy: Ah, Cluedo.

Josh: Cluedo. So Bri—

Tommy: How the fuck do I know this shit?

Josh: I don't know, but Bri got me like an old school version of Cluedo through Mr. Porter. And it came in this like beautiful box and it had Joshua Janson written out like fucking really nice, like calligraphy. You open it up and it's all wrapped. It was really beautiful. And then so I start— they would— they do a thing every year where it's like if you spend over $300, you get free delivery. Yeah. So I just— that was my phase where if you saw me always wearing Saturdays New York City t-shirts, that was all from that.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Yeah. But my point is, what's happened to those?

Tommy: I'll take those off your hands if you don't want to wear them.

Josh: Yeah, they're currently just sitting in a bag. So I've got to do something, but they're pretty like—

Tommy: What's wrong with it?

Josh: No, there's nothing wrong with them. I'm just thinking like it's probably better giving them to you than not doing anything with them at all. Yeah, I've got to work out. Yeah, because that whole thing where it's like each t-shirt was like $60 at least.

Tommy: But you did, you really, really gave it a good crack. You're wearing those Saturdays. You had people trolling you.

Josh: Oh, you're wearing this on YouTube. If you go to youtube.com/joshjanson, Every video I'm wearing a different Saturdays New York City, which I got self-conscious. So now I have no branding.

Tommy: Which people would just think you're wearing the same thing every day, which I am.

Josh: Correct. That's very true. No, but the good thing about Mr. Porter, even though they're based in the UK, they would do free returns and they'll give you a DHL slip to send it back.

Tommy: That's pretty good. I mean, they're banking on people not wanting, not doing this stuff, right? Or at least not every client doing this.

Josh: Yeah, I definitely, I wanted to say when I was at the sound shop that we're returning this piece of gear at, I wanted to say, I don't normally return stuff, but I just felt like it was a justification I didn't need to say.

Tommy: It's, but my observation was around just the consumer psychology, like someone who has purchased something and just like all the things that go through your mind around the purchasing process, the justification, then into the returns, how you start thinking about the returns. It's fascinating. This is why it's so dangerous. This is why people are addicted to shopping online.

Josh: Talking about addicted and this Afterpay thing, can you explain? I've never done Afterpay. Yeah. What is the actual process? Do they, is it a hit on your credit score? Like, is it like taking out a mini loan or something or no?

Tommy: Yeah, I'm not 100% sure.

Josh: What's your observation?

Tommy: So hang on a minute. It says you can own this for $10 a week. And then so at the checkout, you can pay with Afterpay. So it would be using a line of credit. Yeah, and so on my bank statement, I've seen Afterpay a week later, Afterpay a week later, Afterpay. So it is, you're paying or they're debiting or you're paying into Afterpay down the amount that they've— yeah, so it is a line of credit. And so if you lapsed on your Afterpay payments, it would affect your credit score 100%. Mr. 97, can you just double-check that? Does it affect you? Like, because this will be super bad. This would be affecting a lot of young people who have already bad credit scores.

Josh: Do you have the— have you used the get your credit score thing?

Tommy: Yeah, used it, and then they just don't stop emailing me.

Josh: Really? No, I cheque every month. I like it. I like it as a bit of a thing. I haven't worked out— It's a weird thing.

Tommy: Like, I mean, what do you— You comparing against yourself or others?

Josh: Absolutely. I mean, what, like, it's not like we're all—

Tommy: What's your credit score, bro?

Josh: No, but I fluctuate between good and very good. And the good months I'm like, what have I done different? Like, it doesn't completely make sense.

Tommy: And have you worked anything out?

Josh: I haven't worked out what it is. Because I don't even have, yeah, I don't know. Like, it's paying the phone bills on time.

Tommy: Well, you need debt to build your credit score, right? So it's like, or like phone bills build your credit score.

Josh: The weird thing is that the advice in like the US books, like financial books will give you is so different to the Australian ones because in the US it really pays to have credit cards. Yeah. And so, um, Ramit Sethi's book, um, I'll Teach You How to Be Rich, I think it's called, um, he talks about like the whole plan, your financial like freedom type of plan, and it involves getting like 10 credit cards. What's the answer?

Tommy: Come over here, Mason.

Josh: Yeah, Mr. Mason is going to just come over here. What is the Afterpay credit stuff?

Tommy: Yeah, so Afterpay reserves the right to perform credit cheques and to report negative activity on your account to credit unions and bureaus. So it is a line of credit because they can affect—

Josh: But whether they're doing it or not, because that doesn't make it clear that they are doing it.

Tommy: Well, they're paying for the thing, so you get to purchase an item. So they're doing like flights now, so holidays on Afterpay. And I saw one other one popped up. My brother's actually got shares in Afterpay, got in quite early.

Josh: Really? Does he have to pay him monthly? Like, is he Afterpaid the Afterpay?

Tommy: Yeah, they're afterpaying their, um, capital raising. I saw a guy go hard on them on LinkedIn, and it was actually a dude I went to primary school with, and he's got a business and and he sells dog food. And so it's a bit more, um, he sells it and it's like a really sustainable packaging and all this stuff. So his whole take on it was like, um, it made sense. What I'm saying is it made sense, the sort of attack he chose and the path he went down in commenting on this post that said Afterpay's just sealed their, you know, next round of funding at, you know, $100 million or some ridiculous thing to go global. And he was like going so hard on them.

Josh: How does Afterpay make money, I wonder? That's probably to his point, because if everyone— it's relying on people missing payments.

Tommy: Uh, that too, but there would be also data fee on—

Josh: is there though? Yes, Mason, Mr. 97.

Tommy: Okay, they charge retailers. It makes total sense.

Josh: Yeah. But the— I saw that PayPal even has their own version.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So you can— I was going to buy something the other day and I saw it saying, oh, we can do it as smaller payments.

Tommy: It is contributing to the consumer economy of just kids being in debt. And that's what this guy was saying on LinkedIn. He's like, yeah, way to celebrate you know, driving young people deeper into debt.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I was like, geez, is the, uh, he missed out on the shares.

Josh: Have you ever done the lay-by thing? Have you ever lay-bied anything in your life?

Tommy: I just remember lay-by being connected with toys.

Josh: Big W?

Tommy: Yeah, Toys R Us. Glenhuntly Road was the toy shop I would frequent, and I remember, um, just like being on like going in sort of chipping away at like something that I wanted to buy, but you don't get it until you actually pay off the lay-by, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So this is the difference. This is lay-by in reverse.

Josh: It seems like they've got to store the thing. Like, 'cause Big W physically take it off the shelf and put it back somewhere.

Tommy: It's completely ridiculous. It actually makes sense, the Afterpay. It's the lay-by in reverse. We'll give you the item, you're just locked into paying. So you can't fuck up. And if you do, it'll end up really badly.

Josh: Do you know what blew my mind the other day? Like probably Wednesday last week, I wanted to— someone had recommended a book and there was, it was a pretty rare book and I had to order it overseas. Anyway, it was like a $40 book, which is sort of like higher end of books. Like if you say small, low range would be $15, $25 to $30 would be standard, $45. $50+ is sort of middle range getting on expensive. $100+ is sort of your textbook/coffee table book. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so this was like $45. And then I had this revelation. The fucking library.

Tommy: You could have gone and borrowed it.

Josh: Well, yeah.

Tommy: Yeah, true.

Josh: Have you? Yeah, you're gonna ask the same thing.

Tommy: When was the last time you went to a library?

Josh: I can't even. Actually, I do know. I was doing when I was working at Envato and I was working on a minimum viable product for Envato Photos, which was going to be like the Uber for photography.

Tommy: I remember this.

Josh: Yeah. And I was the, I was the lead photographer. So I was like on secondment and was working with Cyan, who's the founder of Envato and a mate of mine. And she would basically— there was a group of 4 of us working on this minimum viable product. And so when someone would order photos to be done, I would actually go out and take some of the photos to see like what the experience was like. And our friend Joe, who works at Envato, actually got photos done, and I went to the library and took some, like of a kid like looking, like reading books and shit.

Tommy: Oh, that's cool. So that was the last time. I tell you who's quite a frequenter to the library, BMAC. Really? Who listens to this show. He loves it. I've seen him in the library plenty of times.

Josh: What do you mean you've seen him in the library?

Tommy: Oh, because he posts about it. It's basically the buying a book at the airport to virtue signal that you're doing good shit.

Josh: Is that a thing? Is the— I actually think that I'd have the same problem if I went to the library. I'd be spending a lot of time Instagramming it.

Tommy: I went to go to the library, so down in Cheltenham where my parents live, there's like the Beau Morris Library near the high school that I actually went to, and I went and it was fucking closed. So that was only probably 4 or 3 months ago. Yeah, I reckon while you're overseas, I went there because I just need to get some work done. I wanted some internet, I wanted some peace and quiet. Closed.

Josh: Was there good internet?

Tommy: Well, yeah, that's what I've heard. There is— I know St Kilda Town Hall, just near where I live, there's the St Kilda Library across the road, and you see all these people sort of sitting outside, like right up against the wall. They're all taking the Wi-Fi. Backpackers, Deliveroo drivers.

Josh: I had a mate of mine who, he said that he was going to break up with his girlfriend. He hadn't yet. I said, what's the deal? What's going on? Like, you keep saying that you've broken up, but you're still hanging out. He said, oh, I'm just going to her house because she has NBN. And I just don't, I don't buy that as an excuse when you've got Things like if you don't have internet, the library.

Tommy: But yeah, I guess that's another option, but then there's no chance of actually getting a, uh, a bit of special cuddles on the side as well at the library. You don't get special cuddles at the library.

Josh: Yeah, but I get— that's my point. It's clearly not just the NBN.

Tommy: It's about the special cuddles, it's not about the NBN. The NBN's nothing to brag about. That's the only time that the NBN's actually been used as a sort of positive.

Josh: Excuse for something.

Tommy: He's like, oh, I had to go for the NBN, you know, that great scheme that the Australian government's rolled out, man. Yeah, it's great.

Josh: Yeah, that I— when I was thinking about the library, I think must have mentioned it to Mum and she said, oh, you could, um, the library in Rowville's actually just around the corner, you could go there.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I had a realisation of the asshole that I am or have become. I've got a real prejudice to like I'm a little bit embarrassed about the suburb that I'm living in at the moment, and I shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be.

Tommy: We drove past and we made comment. There was a guy fishing in the lake. There was lakeside properties that were, that were amazing.

Josh: Well, here's a couple of— and this just shows how much, like, this is me being very honest about how much of a wanker I can be. I realised that I didn't want to go to the library because I didn't want to get the be the Rowville, like, library card. Like, I just didn't— wasn't ready for that commitment. But not only that, I realized— I caught up with a friend last night, and I've worked out every time I tell people, like, they're like, oh, what are you doing now that you're back? I say, oh, I was house sitting in— I always lead with, I was house sitting in Richmond, and now I'm only in Rowville for a few weeks.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I get it. I think there's identity wrapped up in all of this stuff, like, living it back at home. There's— I mean, you could easily feel like, you know, I know you— I think your situation is different, so you should— what I would do, because I would feel of a similar nature, but just leverage the fact that you've just got back.

Josh: It's only temporary, but we shouldn't have to justify it. That's my point.

Tommy: Yeah, no, but so you just don't want to be like, I'm not like—

Josh: this isn't permanent for me. But I get that it's also like—

Tommy: 'Cause you're worrying about their judgement on you going, "Oh, he's moved back home." I'm judging myself, I think, in that moment. But do we judge ourselves based on what we think of others? Not saying you always think about people who live at home.

Josh: Yeah, maybe. No, but it's not living at home. Maybe it's the idea that if you are living in a certain suburb, you think a certain way or that you—

Tommy: I'll tell you right now, I grew up in one of the best suburbs in Melbourne. No, it's the anti. You grow up and like you kind of hush about the fact that you grew up in Brighton. Yeah. Because people are like, oh Brighton, they're fancy. And so you kind of like, you want to be a bit rattier.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You want to, you know, be from the outer burbs.

Josh: So what would you say, St Kilda East?

Tommy: Garden Vale was a good one.

Josh: Garden Vale.

Tommy: Because the suburb I grew up in was Garden Vale and Brighton pushed its postcode out further.

Josh: But it should be fine.

Tommy: But it's actually the opposite. You're from the burbs, you want to be from the hoity-toity suburbs. I grew up in the hoity-toity suburbs.

Josh: I want to be from the burbs. It's not even the hoity-toity suburbs. I just want to be a little bit more in this. I'd probably be okay with Doncaster or even going, I think I want an extreme. I feel like Rowville is in the middle. I'll take Yarra Valley, like around there, one of those suburbs. Yeah. Or inner city. I don't like the middle ground is making me uncomfortable.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Which I understand it's fucked, but it was even With my Vic, 'cause my Vic Roads licence expired while we were away. And we've got the—

Tommy: Driver's license.

Josh: Yeah, what did I say?

Tommy: Vic Roads, I'm just saying.

Josh: Yeah, driver's license.

Tommy: International page.

Josh: I got, so when it came to signing up, I kept my old address with the idea that I've got a PO box set up, PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067, if you'd like to send us something. So that it would forward to my PO box so I wouldn't necessarily have to get Rowville on my driver's license.

Tommy: So funny.

Josh: It's bad though, isn't it? Like, it is like, I'm recognising here right now that it's a bit fucked up. And I think that it's no judgement on people who are living in the outer suburbs. It is more to do with maybe, yeah, I don't know, it's me.

Tommy: I saw the, like being at your mum's place. It's got a pool, it's got a nice garden, it's got a spa, it's a rental. It's like, mate, I could fucking move out there. Like I think about this for Bodhi.

Josh: It's got, there's an, yeah, there's definitely an appeal. And I can definitely, like we had a group, we did our show from Stutter Park, which was a great app.

Tommy: Well, any, like if we rented your mum's house in one of these suburbs, inner suburbs, it'd be like $2,000 a week.

Josh: Yeah, it'd be crazy.

Tommy: Ridiculous.

Josh: Yeah, and so I get that, but I just thought it was an interesting observation of how we, um, judge ourselves.

Tommy: 100%. I think it's okay. I don't think it's that impactful on other people. It says more about what your thinking is, but that's okay. Like, this is what you're trying to do, you're trying to change it.

Josh: When I was at Fonda, at Knox Ozone, which is close by, one of the shopping centers—

Tommy: now I'm, now I'm judging.

Josh: No, we, we went there for, uh, for dinner one night, and, um, Bree and I were seated next to a couple, uh a couple who were on their first date. Cute. And so I couldn't talk to Bree. Like, Bree and I were just sitting there staring at each other and listening. Yeah, well, Bree said, she's like, I guess we've— we're just quiet, we're just looking at each other. And she said, well, I guess we've been together for a while. I said, no, it's not that, it's more that I just can't do two things at once. And the guy said he was apparently from Hawthorn. And he said to the girl, "Oh, so what's it like living in Endeavour Hills?" That was one of his questions.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: So, it's— I'm not the only one who has a little bit of pushback, but I hope that I at least have some form of self-awareness that I know it's a little bit fucked up.

Tommy: Yeah. It is a weird one. I remember going on a few dates with girls from the outer suburbs and there was a bit of that. I probably asked that question. Just tell me what's it like growing up in, uh, Narre Warren. No, I, I get it. Poor bastard.

Josh: But poor bastard being which one?

Tommy: Poor bastard as in the guy that's asking those dumb questions.

Josh: The, um, you were, you're mentioning about, uh, people posting on social when they're away.

Tommy: So there's this one person in my feed, I won't say their name. It's the one time I won't actually say that because I'm No, I won't even say their first name. I'm going to leave them anonymous.

Josh: But I constantly am like, can I just say I've got some new active shorts on and I think that my current stance is maybe a little bit—

Tommy: If you weren't wearing underwear, your nuts would definitely be slipping.

Josh: But I just had someone walk past and did a double take because I've sort of got my leg up. Maybe we could get a photo. Do you want to get a photo and we'll post it on Instagram?

Tommy: There's a lot of cocked leg action.

Josh: Cocked leg, to be clear. Um, a lot of cocked leg.

Tommy: Yeah, but this one person on my, on my feed is always posting, and I, I know what she's doing. She's posting photos of like her in LA, but it's always like— and I get this vibe that it's not— there's never like throwback, this was so much fun. It's like very purposefully posting things that are making her seem like she is in LA. And I was thinking, it's definitely happens a lot. Social media, there's that person that's sort of like posting to pretend like you're somewhere. I even got a vibe of it when I was over, when I got back and there was a week to go before the podcast, before our content from the podcast ran out. Yeah, which wouldn't have made sense.

Josh: It's always— I actually find it more obvious when it's Fiji because like no one's in Fiji for more than fucking 2 weeks, you know what I mean? Who, like, if anyone ever says to— if you were like, oh, where are you off? Just like, oh, Fiji, going there for a month. Yeah, could you imagine Fiji for a month? That's one of those, I feel like, unless you were a bowler and that was like you had a place and you're just like, I'm doing deep work, and I'm like, that's a Fiji— 4 weeks is a long time.

Tommy: How long do you spend in Fiji?

Josh: Uh, I reckon if you say 10 days, some people will say that's a lot. 14 days and you would have to have some form of justification of, um, got kids or we're doing a lot of island hopping.

Tommy: Or I just want a holiday and relax. Or no, just actually get bored.

Josh: That's too long to— I think you'd get bored.

Tommy: In one place.

Josh: Yeah, I think you'd probably— Fuck, why am I sounding like such an asshole?

Tommy: I know, I was painting you into a corner there. So you're saying just being on the beach for 2 weeks and having not much on and buffet breakfast every morning?

Josh: Sounds beautiful. 5 days is good though.

Tommy: 5 days. All I can say is it's the same for Vegas. You can't be in Vegas for too long. 'Cause you can only take so many drugs.

Josh: That's true.

Tommy: Before your nose falls off and then you gotta go or you waste all your money.

Josh: So— Get kidnapped. So what's the most, the obvious signs that someone's posting retrospectively?

Tommy: Bringing into their stories, pulling out photos from ages ago and actually, loading it in as a story.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So that, so it acts as if they're in, but they give it, this one person gives it away every time that they then post something in Melbourne. And it's like, see, there's a slight, it's not manipulation, but they're playing into people thinking that they aren't, that they're maybe a bit bigger. It's maybe the fake it till you make it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I'm sort of, look at me, I'm worldly, but then I'm back in Melbourne.

Josh: Is it like me only posting when I'm in Collingwood? A little bit of that. So true.

Tommy: You know what, go for a walk in the 'burbs, get a nice photo of 'burb life.

Josh: Yeah, maybe I'll embrace it. Maybe tonight I'll do a heap of content around Rowville. If you can pull it. Yeah, 'cause I feel like my current strategy would be removing any metadata so people don't know my geotag. It's even the shocking thing when you've taken a photo in Melbourne but you're back at your reality and you go to post on Instagram and it's like, It's like Rowville, Victoria is like the number one geo. Yeah, yeah. And nearly accidentally pressing that.

Tommy: I want you to at some point put up a photo just of burb life, something that explains. I mean, we kind of did it on Friday, eating Donut King.

Josh: That was.

Tommy: On a Friday night.

Josh: I had a full neck beard on that day too. It was pretty.

Tommy: Your beard's looking much better.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: But get some suburban content into my feed, please.

Josh: I can do that. And sorry if I sound like an asshole, everyone. I'm not, like I don't actually feel these these ways too much.

Tommy: Michelle, she sent us through an email.

Josh: Was this about Mr. 97?

Tommy: Yeah, Mr. 97. Mr. 97, have you actually thought about—

Josh: oh, here we go—

Tommy: the man that you want to be? Yeah, I want to be that guy. He's forgotten about it.

Josh: Let's finish the show. What did Michelle say?

Tommy: And then so Michelle wrote through and says in quotation marks, I want to be the guy, that guy who doesn't know what guy he wants to be. You know, there's a certain amount of okayness about that.

Josh: That's what Michelle said. No, I get that. No, it's very sort of like, it's very honest. He's actually more honest and sort of happier with himself than I am being in the suburbs, apparently. So, Mr. 97.

Tommy: Okay, I'm giving you the mic.

Josh: Finishing this sentence. I want to be—

Tommy: Speaks with sweat dripping down his forehead.

Josh: Okay, I want to be the guy that Can you put the mic closer to him, please? I want to be the guy that— actually say the full sentence. I want to be the guy that— it's going to be a while. That's right. Not that long. I want to be the guy— ready? They just got to do it improv. 3, 2, 1. I want to be the guy that— what's the first thing comes to mind? Nothing.

Tommy: Um, anything's good.

Josh: Anything. Oh, I want to be the guy that— I'm so sorry everyone, mate. I literally have no idea. This is— I'm so sorry. He's had a whole weekend. Um, that's it. Is that really it? We'll give him another week. I think he's got something. Yeah, he does, but he has to obviously think about things like the one area that you want to self-improve at the moment.

Tommy: We're hooking this through the next day. Next time you're in, might not be tomorrow.

Josh: We've already hooked it 4 times. Surely Mr. 97 has something. Have you got anything? Just really quickly.

Tommy: It could be so—

Josh: Okay, here we go. Oh, this is great.

Tommy: We got one.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: All right. I want to be the guy that's a bit more socially confident. There you go, a bit more charismatic.

Josh: That's really good.

Tommy: He got vulnerable.

Josh: That's really good. I can relate too. Yeah. It's not the funny out that I was hoping for. He wants to be more like Tommy. Everyone wants to be.

Tommy: He's worked out a way to say, I want to be Tommy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Without saying, I want to be Tommy.

Josh: It's all the, it's the hair, everyone. It's The Daily Talk Show. hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email or PO Box 400 Abbotsford, Victoria 3067 if you want to actually send us something.

Tommy: People just fell in love with Mason. Mr. 97.

Josh: Have a good one, guys.