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Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface! The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: A conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jacklin. It's the Daily Talk Show episode 209.

Tommy: Friday, fun one, getting it in. 9:40 PM that we are recording this.

Josh: I wonder how many people are going to be listening to this on Friday.

Tommy: Yeah, well, we better finish this and get it up. I mean, I'm wrapping it up, but we've just started.

Josh: It's been great, guys.

Tommy: No, we actually recorded an episode earlier today and it fucked. We corrupted it.

Josh: Well, we just— I'm just turning you up a little bit there. Thanks, mate. No, what happened was we'd been relying on these batteries for a long period of time.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: And then halfway through the episode, we had a big day today and didn't record the episode.

Tommy: Until nearly 4 PM.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then no, later than that.

Josh: 4:30.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so 5. Well, you had to pick up. What's your schedule? What's your commitments?

Tommy: I meant to pick up my son. What's the commitment? 5:30.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So that's what time I was after.

Josh: It was 6 o'clock until you left.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: 6 o'clock and we didn't have an episode in the can.

Tommy: Yeah, we fucked it. But hey, we were at this doughnut joint called Daniel's Donuts, established EST 2016.

Josh: Well, you were telling me, we actually mentioned on the show that we, that you were going to a park and you were asking me about donuts.

Tommy: It was actually Monday this week.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So we've, we've come full circle, but I feel like this is a bit of a reward because of our fuck up. And so we need to, it was, it was never a case of, oh fuck, like I didn't really care. That we messed it because I'm like, we'll get it done.

Josh: Yeah, because we were tired, so we didn't actually have much to say. But can we preface this episode with sticker alert?

Tommy: Oh yeah, sticker alert.

Josh: Stickers are back on the market.

Tommy: Well, we've done— this is our third release.

Josh: Yeah, of free stickers.

Tommy: Free stickers. So what you do is hi@thedailytalkshow.com email us. So you've got, uh, stickers is the title on the subject line. Subject line.

Josh: Have you ever written an email?

Tommy: No, the subject line is stickers, and then your mailing address in the sub— in the comments.

Josh: You mean the body of the email?

Tommy: Yeah, just write us an email with your address and put stickers as the, the subject, please, and we'll send them to you.

Josh: Yeah, we've got the Daily Talk Show stickers Funnily enough, Bri was at work, at her work the other day, and a girl had a Daily Talk Show sticker on her laptop. Yeah.

Tommy: How'd you get this? Who?

Josh: Well, Bri was like, oh, you listen to the podcast? And Bri had only just met her.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And she said, oh no, what is it? And then Bri's like, the sticker. She's like, oh, this was Cyan's old laptop.

Tommy: So the boss of the business.

Josh: The boss of the business. Friend of mine. Yeah. I'd given her a sticker before I went away.

Tommy: Oh, so now hopefully we've onboarded one person through an awkward interaction, but we've got to just quickly do a Daniel's Donuts review. So this, the, we, we waited in the line. It's like, not when we got here, it's maybe just after 9 PM because we ran out of batteries again.

Josh: It's a fucking night, people. We had a meeting today with someone asking like 'How do you do the podcast? Tell us the technical stuff.' This is our third fucking time today. That's how we do it.

Tommy: Yeah, we don't give up. And if all goes to shit, go and do it and get donuts. So we're getting donuts, but we lined up for this place and there's still— it's exactly the same length of line from when we got here, which is maybe 6, 7 metres out the door. No, probably 10 metres out the door. So it's just had a consistent flow of people come. But we were standing in this line and they were pumping techno, like hard Will Sparks. If you listen to, you know, some dirty techno beats. Yeah. Aussie guys really just dropping that heavy drop, just really buzzing those people on the ecstasy tablets at the regional nightclubs.

Josh: Well, we're in Springvale in the southeast.

Tommy: Yeah. So it feels like we are out in the 'burbs at a nightclub. But my fascination is that because you're like, yeah, you would have— this would have been you. That's right. Yeah, you said this would have been you when you were young. And I was like, we've talked about it. We did an episode from Krispy Kreme, which was the only thing really popping back then. Like the phenomenon of places like food establishments like, um, Loon Croissant line out the door every Saturday.

Josh: What were the— like, if we were to look at some of those food things, did you have Like Oakleigh. Like, did you go to Oakleigh and get food from that, like the bakery and stuff?

Tommy: No, the biggest one for us was Lamb on Chapel.

Josh: Yeah, it was a—

Tommy: it was just a traditional— well, Aussie traditional, because they don't serve Greek lamb spit in Greece.

Josh: Yeah, you get pork.

Tommy: You get pork or chicken. And so, yeah, but it is like epic lamb souvlaki, and there used to be a line out the door. Stalactites in the city. That was another Greek establishment. Drunk at 1 AM, 2 AM, getting a souvlaki.

Josh: But if you wanted to be naughty and get some sort of dessert, what do you reckon the go-to dessert in Melbourne was in 1998? Ice cream.

Tommy: Ice cream.

Josh: From where? Dairy Bell? Dairy Bell or Dairy Queen.

Tommy: A little bit beyond that was Lygon Street, which is the Italian precinct. So there's like gelato. I've got this story. Oh my God, it's amazing because I must have been so young, but I remember it so well. And we were getting ice cream and I got this flavour that I didn't like. And I— what a little shit— I bought an ice cream and I went and put the whole thing into the bin. I mustn't have liked it. Would have been, I reckon, around 5. It's just something a 5-year-old would do, or younger. Anyway, I put it in, walked back towards whoever, mum or dad, or who I can't remember who we were with. We were with a family. Looked back over, homeless man straight to the bin, pulled out the ice cream, got stuck into it.

Josh: Do you remember, like, what was the feeling? Did you feel sad?

Tommy: I was amazed. What, like, first time seeing seeing someone do that and just thinking, so homeless. Yeah, that's so— that man's homeless. Amazing.

Josh: Well, when we were in the US, we saw food on the ground. We just thought that it was weird, but it took us a few days because I feel like we're a little bit immune in Australia to a lot of the homelessness. You don't see it nearly as much as you do in the States.

Tommy: Nah, no way. We don't have a population.

Josh: So we just see slices of pizza on the ground. Yeah. And I picked one up and I felt so guilty afterwards because I sort of pretended— you did an Insta story.

Tommy: Well, it was what you would see in an American movie based in New York where there's big slices of pizza.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So it was a bit novelty for us. You're like, oh, you want a bite? Oh yeah.

Josh: And so I did that. And there was until later that maybe Bree said, I can't remember what clicked, but was like, oh, that was put out by someone who was giving it to the homeless.

Tommy: It was left conveniently at the sort of entrance of the place we were staying at. So it was kind of like it was rubbish dumped on the ground, but with purpose of someone could eat this. It felt—

Josh: I felt in the moment like culturally insensitive. Do you have you had any moments when you've been travelling where you've done something and then afterwards thought maybe I shouldn't be doing that in Indonesia.

Tommy: Oh no, I rode on a, um, I rode on a statue in Barcelona.

Josh: I did that too.

Tommy: I did handstands. I did. Or nah, it was like a lizard thing. Okay, it's probably— yeah, but it wasn't that, it wasn't that full-on. But I've done like— I think about, I was doing handstands all around the trip that I was on, like in front of things that were like the Buckingham Palace. I've got me doing that shit. So it was— I don't think I've pushed that cultural insensitive boundary. But so back to the donuts, does the line justify— do these doughnuts warrant a line like they are? Because we're blown away by the popularity of this place.

Josh: Well, I think that You have— when I went into Coles to get the batteries after our recorder died, I was thinking like there's a whole confectionery aisle. You could, if you were going purely for taste, you could create your own concoction that probably tastes better than the donuts.

Tommy: What flavour did you go?

Josh: I went the Snickers.

Tommy: And was it filled with anything? So this is where I'm really bad because I'm Did it have cream or anything inside?

Josh: It had like a caramel on top, but I don't actually think that it was inside. It was sort of a chocolate.

Tommy: But it was filled or wasn't filled? It wasn't filled. No, I don't think it was filled. So I went with 2, and I was saving half for Amy, but then I decided to eat that half. Because I fucked up on one of my choices.

Josh: What was—

Tommy: what was this strawberry cream topped? But then I, as I said it, I looked down and it said no filling. So it was like they had quite descriptive, because they probably get asked all the time, does this have filling in it? Had no filling in it. It was— it tasted like the ones that don't get picked much, and they had a few of them, and it tasted horrible. Maybe not even chemical. I would have eaten it. I would have enjoyed it if it was chemical because it would have made me feel something.

Josh: So it was just like a bit nothing.

Tommy: Yeah, it was dry and it wasn't even vanilla. I like the flavour of vanilla, but the other one, the original glazed with Nutella filling, they came through with the goods there. But they were cheap. It's a, it's a really cheap doughnut shop.

Josh: Like, I'm used to paying $3 each.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm not good. Yeah. Donut Time, another one that's since gone under. Yeah. Into receivership.

Josh: Too fucking expensive.

Tommy: They were too hard. Maybe, maybe. But they were charging $6.80 or something ridiculous.

Josh: I wonder, maybe it's like real estate costs and stuff as well. Like I'm guessing a lease here. It's in sort of a shopping— is it called a precinct?

Tommy: This is a shopping precinct. Mate, this is— we're in your element more than mine.

Josh: Well, it did remind me seeing not saying that my mum is one to shovel a doughnut in her mouth, but I was looking at the unconsciousness that people were eating. There was a specific family. I don't know if you were vibing and seeing the same thing that I was seeing.

Tommy: Yeah, I saw a family with a 12-pack.

Josh: Yeah. And the music was doof doof doof doof doof, and the mum is just like transfixed.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: On these doughnuts and she's stuffing them in the face as the 3 kids all around are eating them as well. Like, this is why, uh, I don't, I don't know how to say this, but like, this is why, like, uh, things that your parents do ends up rubbing off onto you.

Tommy: Yeah, very true. I bet you that woman could tell me if it was filled with something or not.

Josh: I know, I don't think so, but this is the point. I think that she was so unconscious about it, just going hard. I don't know if she would, um would know.

Tommy: Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. It's still filling up. I almost want to get one more for Amy. No, but I do feel good for me. I know. Not for me. I've got— I have, I have instant regret after being a piggy cunt. Yeah, I said the C-word. Shit.

Josh: We haven't done that in a while. Yeah.

Tommy: I don't know why I said that.

Josh: That's okay. Go with it. But it's because you're in the car.

Tommy: My fingers are sticky. I'm high on sugar.

Josh: And you just saying crazy shit. Drop the C-bomb. But I feel Like naughty.

Tommy: No, I actually have regret sometimes when I go hard. You've probably experienced more of that in your lifetime.

Josh: Yeah, I think it was interesting. The one thing is they're doing Uber Eats. So I wonder, I wonder what this type of business is going to look like. Uber Eats, I don't think in the suburbs really would be taking off yet. But I wonder if there is a case for all these places to have these big— I guess they don't have much of a storefront, do they?

Tommy: This would be cheap. It is essentially a bakery in the burbs that has somehow nailed it and are so busy. It's crazy. We were at the front of a Salvo, so it's like you've got on one side the doughnut shop, the next is the Salvation Army. Selling used goods.

Josh: But I think we've leveraged all, every bit of content around the place. What's been happening this week? What's been going on?

Tommy: It's been a big week. It's, we had Mr. 97 on today.

Josh: Yeah. So you didn't hear that episode because it never happened. That's okay.

Tommy: I loved it.

Josh: And so you were, you were telling, you were telling me we didn't get to the story, but the, you had You were able to track down someone's address or where they were living?

Tommy: Well, I've probably hung around you too much because I'm surprised that I even knew that this was a thing. So I've always loved to be able to— so, you know, it's almost a bit— it could be seen as wanky, but people play into it. Yay, we got a mortgage! The shot of them out front of the house with the sold sticker in front of the sign. Am I jealous that I, because I don't own a house?

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: And have a mortgage. But I've always loved that people in the shots always blur out the address. I get it.

Josh: It's like, so that is actually, so who's blurring it out? Like your friends are blurring it out?

Tommy: The people that in my Facebook feed, 2 or 3 that I've seen the photo out the front. Yay, we got a mortgage. Yay, we've got debt. But they've blurred out the address. And I have in a few of these instances, i.e., 3 each time I've seen these, gone, I reckon I can find where that is because you've blurred it out. I feel like I need it. This is a bit of a challenge.

Josh: Can you see the copy? That's because what I would do is I would get the, you know, a beautiful 3-bedroom, copy that, paste it into Google.

Tommy: That's amazing.

Josh: And it would probably come up.

Tommy: So what I, what I've done I've looked at the real estate agent, written that in. So the Buxton, Buxton or whatever it be.

Josh: You've gone next level.

Tommy: But then I've also written 3-bedroom and then put Sandringham because usually people sort of reveal the suburb.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And you can kind of, yeah. And you totally find it. It's so simple.

Josh: And so what do you know?

Tommy: The reason I find it because say if it's the Sandringham real estate office, it has that on it. So you totally know the suburb and then you list that plus how many bedrooms they have, and— oh God, I nearly just burped up a donut— and so easy to find the purchase price. So what they paid for it and what it looks like inside, everything. So you can fully know.

Josh: Where do you reckon it comes from? Because you and I talk about this a little bit. You have a fascination in, you know, we're walking, for instance, we're walking past a house today and you're like, that guy is so rich. Look at his— in his garage, he's got that. Well, I've never—

Tommy: You don't think like that?

Josh: No, I don't think like that at all. I never think about how much does that house cost?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Or thinking about like, is this person rich? Are they not rich?

Tommy: It's one of my favourite things to do. How much is this person worth? Like, I've spent, I've spent half an hour, an hour, just a session just searching. I know what Mark Wahlberg's worth at the moment. He's actually worth quite a bit because he became a— I think they sold the UFC or he bought into the UFC. He's worth a shitload of money.

Josh: Isn't he an actor?

Tommy: Yeah. Okay. Marky Mark.

Josh: What's he got to do with UFC?

Tommy: Oh, he's the owner of it. Oh, or he did own it and he sold out. I don't know, one of those. Can't remember details, but he's rich as fuck.

Josh: What do you think that it's— where do you think it comes from? Do you think it's a productive thing to focus on.

Tommy: I never look at it— it's nothing about it's negative. Even in looking up these people, I'm not looking in spite. I'm fascinated. I actually like information. I like knowing shit. And sometimes— and maybe it's half of it's irrelevant. I had the realisation that I'm like— when we were in New York and I got the photo with Post Malone, I do have a fascination. I've got punter mentality on—

Josh: maybe that is—

Tommy: maybe I've got real punter mentality.

Josh: I have no punter mentality. I don't think I'm much of a punter.

Tommy: Punter mentality is the person that gets a selfie with a celebrity at any cost.

Josh: I've never done it before.

Tommy: It's not at any cost, but I will get one if I really love the person. I've got no shame in that respect. So maybe there's curiosity. I don't know, but I don't feel like it's limiting. I don't feel like I'm putting in, like I'm not a negative person.

Josh: It's a bit bogan though.

Tommy: Yeah, a bit bogan.

Josh: But I don't think that But maybe I'm just as much of a punter as you are. But the way that I do it is by not showing any interest at all in anything.

Tommy: You're blasé. Oh, you're like, oh, I don't even know who that is.

Josh: Well, because I wouldn't know who that is.

Tommy: That's also punter in the other direction.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I'm the, the, you know, the bit, oh, famous person. And you go the other way. Who's, what's famous? Who are these people? So maybe it is the same thing, but back to what I did, Punt Mentality. That's the name of the episode.

Josh: So you Googled?

Tommy: So I, so what I did was I saw in the feed, in my, so I saw someone had bought a house in my newsfeed, this girl I know, and I don't know her enough to say, hey, your property looks amazing. Because all she thinks—

Josh: So I get weirded out by people who ask specific details like, um, like, because I'm very open about stuff. But then at the same time, like, I had someone ask me about my weight. What, what was I? What am I now? And there was a sense that there was like some form of weird comparison going on, which I do. I'm happy to give you, I'm happy to say, oh, this is how much I've used to, like I used to, the companies that I used to work at, I would be comfortable telling someone how much I made, like in a one-to-one conversation, I'd say, yeah, I made this because I feel like it then opens up the doors for people to know where they sit within negotiation or whatever it is.

Tommy: I mean, a lot of people think you shouldn't tell people at all. You can't, like I never discussed it when I was working with other people, especially in the radio space, is like, fuck, they might be on more than me, or I might be on more than them.

Josh: Have you ever had a situation where you've slipped or you've said, you've thought, I'm reading the situation right, I'm going to tell them, and then it ends up backfiring?

Tommy: No, because there is one instance where I was curious to know and they kind of like, he didn't tell me, but I can't even remember. I don't think I pushed him. I never pushed him on it because I knew that it was a lot more than me and it was in a pretty good position. And he just made reference. It's always nice when someone says, you know, it's a fucking, I'm on, it's pretty good wicket at the moment. They're kind of not wanting to be a wank.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But they're also letting you in on that. They think they're in on a pretty good deal too. Yeah.

Josh: And so is that a bit disingenuous because you don't know if they're talking about $150 grand or A meal? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that is irrelevant.

Tommy: No, I guess maybe it, it, um, yeah, I don't even know what I want from this situation. Tell me your exact taxable income.

Josh: But isn't the thing, isn't that like, that's why I'm asking about, like, I'm tying it into this desire of how much of those spent, they spent on a house.

Tommy: Well, even this one. Okay, so this one I was blown away by the property. I was like, man, I'd love to know where that is. Like that, that is like, I would love to live there. And so what I did was because they didn't post the old in front of the sold sign. So I had no, none of that data. And then somehow I, it just came to me instantly. I ripped the photo, saved it to my desktop.

Josh: Wait, what was the photo that they'd had on?

Tommy: It was a drone shot of the property.

Josh: Okay, so there's a shot of like marketing material that they've—

Tommy: it was a high quality photo, so I thought this has been used as a piece of marketing material.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Which I thought, okay, this might have some, some information stored in the photo, however that actually works. I've got no fucking clue.

Josh: You did like Catfish, what they do on Catfish.

Tommy: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Josh: So did you reverse search?

Tommy: So what I did was ripped it desktop, went into Google Image Search, dropped into Google Image Search, brought up the exact location. So, so I know where I did. And then I just had a look at properties around there. It was like 2 seconds. It wasn't there, but I was more— I got the win on finding the suburb of it.

Josh: Do you reckon those things will change? Do you see them changing?

Tommy: Well, I actually was a bit frightened of myself. Frightened of what I'm doing. I was like, this is easy.

Josh: Just you in front of the camera.

Tommy: No, but the fact is it's easy to find where people live. So easy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So if you— so if I'm a good guy using it just for a bit of shits and giggles, there's someone out there that's using it in a bad way. And that's like, I even see What I'm blown away is when you send me a pic. So you sent me a pic yesterday and you were in Richmond.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I was in St Kilda and I put the photo into Instagram and it comes up with the exact tags of the place. So it's not geo— geotags or metadata.

Josh: It's looking at the metadata and saying this is where it is.

Tommy: But it's so weird. How does that fucking even work?

Josh: Well, I remember you can get a an EXIF data stripper. So EXIF data will have what phone it was, uh, take— the photo was taken on. Yeah, the time, all that sort of thing. And you can strip. So I remember showing a friend, um, who had like a profile online and all that sort of thing, how to strip out your EXIF data. Because what could happen is, uh, say, um, social, social media channels like Twitter never used to remove the EXIF data when you'd put it on, so people could download the photo and see all of the EXIF data, including what the phone was, what, uh, you can find out like what operating system the phone was running, what time of day, what location, and all of this, like, all of this data can help someone who's trying to fuck with you. So if they want to say, access your phone, them looking at the EXIF data and saying, okay, they've got this specific model phone, they can start doing targeted attacks specifically designed for your device.

Tommy: Yeah, it's almost— I can't— I'm surprised that it hasn't— people haven't taken it further with that.

Josh: I think it will. Like, I was, I was reading, uh, like the headline I clicked through and there was a paywall on it, But we can get past that.

Tommy: Mr. 97.

Josh: Mr. 97 will be onto it. Well, it was a storey about, it had my security camera, the Nest security, the Drop Cam, which was bought by Nest. And it was—

Tommy: You basically walk into the room and it turns it on and Josh gets a notification in his pocket.

Josh: So that was—

Tommy: Tommy's wanking in his office again.

Josh: Again, I just turned that notification off. It was just— You know, I want to reduce my notifications, but no, I read this storey that was, or the headline, the worst nightmare. A stranger was accessing this family's security camera.

Tommy: That's creepy.

Josh: And was doing a two-way conversation because there's a microphone and a speaker. So you can actually talk from your phone in through the camera's speaker. And so he was trying to talk to them.

Tommy: Oh, isn't that like so creepy? There's, um, the cameras, uh, the doorbells. Ring, is that what it's called? Ring.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So it's like on your door, you set up on your door and it's got a— it's basically press a button, activates the camera, but then it goes to your phone so you can be out. What it was being one of my favourite Instagram accounts.

Josh: I don't know, because the robbers, the robbers.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it's just all just like Check out how sick our product is. Here's robber one. And it's just like every post is about a new robber.

Josh: I think like the whole fear thing really plays into like if I had, if I owned a place, the amount of security that I would have. Yeah, I would have sensors on like magnetic sensors on all the doors. So I'd know when the doors open and close.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Absolutely. I would have floodlights that turn on during motion. Yeah, I would have cameras all around it and I'd have a redundancy. So if the internet goes, if the electricity goes, everything, like, it's still recording.

Tommy: Uh, panic room. Would you go that far?

Josh: No, panic room. Every room's a panic room.

Tommy: No, but you need that.

Josh: So panic room is like a bunker.

Tommy: It's a bunker you can retreat to they won't get in. It's got the camera, all the cameras, so you can see what's happening around the house.

Josh: Do you know what? Like, I've discovered that I'm a bit of a scaredy cat because Bree and I are looking after this place in Richmond. It's too big for like 2 people.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I reckon the bigger the house, the scarier the storeys you can create. And so all of a sudden you hear like, oh, what was that noise?

Tommy: Especially when it's not yours though. Yeah. And it's, it's in a suburb.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You're just constructing all these things. Yeah.

Josh: Well, I had, I, yeah, go on.

Tommy: Growing up, I had no security, no security system. Our front door was left open quite a bit. It was old school.

Josh: Yeah. I always locked.

Tommy: Windows. I'm sure we locked it, but it was so easy to break in. My parents' house now. I've lived in apartments for too long on a second story, so I'm elevated and it's like no one's coming out the balcony.

Josh: Yeah, no, I think that if we— this next place that we move into, I still want it to still be a—

Tommy: It's not a jail.

Josh: And like, as Bree was looking at houses or whatever, like renting a house and security-wise, especially renting, we're not going to have the control that I want. In being able to do it.

Tommy: If we're thinking like this, what— why do you think this is the thinking?

Josh: Uh, personal safety, maybe one. Two, like, I'm paranoid with equipment and gear, and so I always, like, if I have my laptop, uh, and like it's a two-story place we're staying in, I bring all my belongings up next to the bed. Would you do that, or would you be cool just having it downstairs?

Tommy: In your situation now, I don't think— I'm— see, I've— so I've got like a— my only important things are the hard drives, which I realised I've left at work. Fuck, they're not with me. But I kind of give over the fact that's a WRX if I've ever heard one, and I'm right.

Josh: Is it a WRX?

Tommy: Yeah, WRX.

Josh: I haven't heard someone say WRX.

Tommy: Yeah, Subaru WRX.

Josh: Is that another WRX?

Tommy: No, what's that one?

Josh: Oh, see, this is the thing about being in Springvale. You get this sort of stuff.

Tommy: It's something. What does it sound like? Commodore?

Josh: Okay, maybe we're about to get into street drag. Like, maybe we're in the middle of a street drag.

Tommy: We're on the road that was the main highway for street dragging in Victoria. The Princes Highway.

Josh: Can you quickly, because we did it on a very early episode.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: The car crash that you were involved in.

Tommy: It was on this highway.

Josh: I thought it might be.

Tommy: We were coming across it. So we were on Booran Road. I can't remember actually now. Taronga Road coming up to this big intersection. And the dude who was driving made a fucking silly decision. To sort of leg it as— and the car wasn't even like— it was a race car. Nissan Skyline, Nissan Skyline R32 GTR V-spec.

Josh: That's a lot of fucking lardballs.

Tommy: 4-wheel drive, twin turbo, RB26.

Josh: How old were you?

Tommy: I was 17.

Josh: And you're in the passenger seat?

Tommy: I was in the rear passenger seat.

Josh: And he fangs it.

Tommy: Um, what's his name? What's Jimmy's nickname?

Josh: Conspiracy Jimmy.

Tommy: Conspiracy Jimmy in the front.

Josh: Yeah. Not driving.

Tommy: TJ in the back.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The dude driving the car in the driver's seat, and he's started going and the car was like not functioning 100%.

Josh: So what does that mean?

Tommy: Uh, there was something— he didn't even have number plates on it. He didn't even have— it wasn't registered. Okay, but it was a fucking oath. Don't get in, don't do this shit. And the car was fine, it wasn't— it was just functioning slow, so it couldn't actually— something, something to do with the turbo. So it wasn't like it was an old piece of like a putt-putt, it was like a fucking sports car. Yeah, and we weren't even going fast, and it probably would have helped if we went fast because we drove through and he went through this amber light that went red that then went across a big intersection. And there was 4 lanes, cars waiting to go. 3 of the lanes were full of cars, 1 lane was empty, and there was a car coming in that 1 lane that sort of rolled into the intersection. So, you know, when you're coming up to a red light, you're like, fuck, please go green, please go green. You're rolling, you're like, oh, sick. And then you flatten it. So you actually never stop, the momentum keeps going. And that person did that and came out and T-boned us, and it spun the car 360, our car 360. Luckily there was a roll cage in this race car. And so I'm in the back, I got, it just sort of, my head smashed the side window. And then all I was like, oh, I just remember feeling so hot. And the blood just pouring out of my head and I just felt it. I thought, oh fuck. And Jimmy's at the front, the dude at the front, the driver, he got out and I'm like, James, get out, get out. And he's like, this is a— we're in a simulation. No, it didn't happen.

Josh: Conspiracy, Jimmy. Love you, Jimmy.

Tommy: We fucking survived it. We've actually thought we died in that and this is a simulation.

Josh: It could be.

Tommy: We have thought that. But he couldn't get out his door. And so I was like, oh fuck, dude, jump out or something. He's like, had to climb out over the driver's side and lift himself out. And I pulled myself out, had fucking blood all over my face. I was like, oh no, my head was just like ripped open. And I went into the bathroom of this pub. I pulled— I had a— I was a bogan. I was a real punter back then, wearing a long sleeve t-shirt t-shirt with a short sleeve t-shirt over the top. It was a thing back then.

Josh: And as you're walking away from the car, you're like, how much is it worth?

Tommy: I took off my short sleeve t-shirt and wrapped the long sleeve t-shirt around my head and like, I thought I was Rambo, put it around my head and like tightened it, went into the bathroom. I pulled out some glass and saw how fucked it was. I gotta go.

Josh: Have you got a scar now?

Tommy: Yeah, massive scar. So if I shave my head, you see this big— I got 5 or 6 staples, like legit staples. And so I went and I called my brother. We left the scene because he was like, this dude was gonna get in heaps of trouble. Yeah, he's like, just get out.

Josh: Which bro?

Tommy: Uh, I called my elder brother Ant.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I was like, dude, please come pick me up. And he came. Jimmy and I went to the hospital. James was fine. He went Back to the party.

Josh: Did the hospital require reasoning behind it?

Tommy: Not at all. They didn't say, 'I just had a car accident.' Oh yeah, that was it. Really? It wasn't like, where?

Josh: Do you reckon they would do that nowadays?

Tommy: I'm sure that maybe they did.

Josh: Maybe I was just dumb.

Tommy: Yeah, I just smashed my head open. I mean, they didn't— they never really give me painkillers. They just— they put like a needle into it to make it numb, and then they put the Stables.

Josh: I feel like if I was a doctor, I'd be like, what have you done? How?

Tommy: No, I think it was emergency. It was at the emergency of a place that's pretty fucking epic. So I was the least of their worries. Like, this place gets everything, like full on.

Josh: I guess they can't wait to hear the story.

Tommy: It's emergency department. So they said to me, whatever you did with this thing is pretty good. Oh, like the tying? Tying it up. So what I did was I was like, no, I tied it and I, in my head, On your head. This is not punter mentality. This is fucking— this is MacGyver mentality. I thought if I tie it, it'll close the wound, and it did, and it stopped the bleeding.

Josh: So probably reduce the scar.

Tommy: Nah, not reduce. Nah, they don't. You'd have to get plastic surgery.

Josh: Talking about reducing the scar, remember I got my head— I hit my head.

Tommy: Remember I got hit.

Josh: Remember I got hit. Well, I know. Remember how it happened. So I I rented a Bunnings truck or sorry, van. And I was looking down at my phone, had the door open, smashed my head. I was bleeding. I took— there's photos on Instagram. We thought that it was going to scar. Scar update. You're looking at it now with the light on.

Tommy: That's sweet. I think so. Maybe like in a year's time you won't even know that that was there. Like you can see a line. It's the light. It's the light. It sort of highlights some redness of an area. But I haven't noticed it at all.

Josh: Okay, that's good.

Tommy: It's interesting.

Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want free stickers. Free stickers. We are doing it for the next week. If you want them, we're cutting it off Thursday evening of next week. Thursday is the 8th of November.

Tommy: Or the 9th.

Josh: Isn't Friday the 9th? Did we?

Tommy: Oh yeah, no, because that's right.

Josh: Yeah, Friday the 9th is the cutoff date. That's when we're going to send them all out. So by the 8th of November, Send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, with stickers in the subject line, your address in the body of the email, and we'll send you out— how many stickers do you want to send out, TJ?

Tommy: Uh, 4 per person.

Josh: Okay, one for them, one for a friend.

Tommy: Yep. And 2, 2 spares, 2 for Christmas, 2 for Chrissy.

Josh: Give them out as a gift. It's a daily talk show. Live from Daniel's Donuts.

Tommy: If you're in the area, come to it. It's a—

Josh: support a small, thriving, successful business.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Have a good weekend, guys.

Tommy: We'll see you Monday.