Bogan Horse Races

Josh: Wait a minute!

Tommy: Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk— it's— it's— this happens a bit now, doesn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, what's happened?

Josh: It's the Daily Talk Show, episode 210. Yeah, happy Monday.

Tommy: Yeah, happy Monday. We just had a secondary coffee hit. This is my third. Uh, it's, it's that Monday vibes.

Josh: Is it? So you, your coffee order is a 3/4 strong, 3/4 latte. So that means you get more shots?

Tommy: Uh, not necessarily, depending on where you go. Some people— this is a double shot. So yeah, I want more than one shot and I want less milk so it tastes stronger.

Josh: Okay. And if you get a long black, how many shots?

Tommy: I don't ask for anything, I just get long black. Because it's a double shot. I don't know, but so yeah, it's stronger, just the taste, because there's no milk and it's just water diluting it.

Josh: For, for our overseas audience, can you just run through what you think, like what are the different types of coffees that you can get?

Tommy: Americano, which is basically a long black in the States.

Josh: Is Americano different to the drip coffee that you get at the diner?

Tommy: Yeah, I think it is. I think that's just drip coffee. I think that's like, yeah, I was confused. When we were in the States, I was just saying, one of these please, of coffee. And then they don't traditionally go for like, you have to specifically ask for an espresso or an Americano, which is the espresso, their version of a long black, which is espresso, espresso with water essentially. Yeah, but I don't know, we were having this discussion. I love it. Coffee just brings out everybody to sort of throw in their two cents. Oh, the temperature of the shot changes the strength of the shot, which I don't know, but I just, we're just, we're a bunch of wankers here in Australia. Well, we drink a lot of coffee.

Josh: I feel like we need to be more like, I feel the need to give more context to our Australianisms. Because on Friday we put out a call, free stickers, that's still happening.

Tommy: Still happening until we all shut it off at 11:59 PM on the 8th. I'll be asleep, so will Josh.

Josh: It's gonna do it, Mr. 97.

Tommy: No, do you know who will do the shut off?

Josh: We'll just look back.

Tommy: Time.

Josh: Yeah, time.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll roll through to 12 AM on the 9th and that's when it's all gone. So we've opened it up again, stickers You need to put that in the subject line, send us your address and direct it to hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Josh: And we had a few emails over the weekend.

Tommy: Yeah, we— here's the thing, this sticker, like, as much as we want you to have stickers, it's also nice hearing because this— we've done this a couple of times. This is the third, uh, release of free stickers. We got— how cool is this? Santiago. What a name.

Josh: Um, Santiago, was that also a place?

Tommy: I think it is. We've got someone smart. Lawrence, is Santiago a place? Is Santiago a place?

Josh: It is, I'm just gonna Google it.

Tommy: Sounds like it, it must be.

Josh: So you read out the gist of Santiago's message.

Tommy: So Santiago, he's followed the rules and he's put sticker as the subject. And he said, "Hey guys, I'm here for free stickers." Of course you are.

Josh: It's the capital of Chile, by the way. Sick.

Tommy: I've been listening since last week or so. I don't really know how I found you. I think it has something to do with Matt D'Avella's social media.

Josh: Sounds about right. Shit yeah.

Tommy: Anyway, it's been so much fun. I moved to Melbourne from Argentina like a month ago, and it's cool to hear a local voice in a podcast. Local voices.

Josh: We're the only Australian podcast.

Tommy: Yeah, thanks, Santiago. It is a cool thing that podcasting is still like the discoverable functions of these platforms is still tricky. So you kind of end up finding these random ones. I say we're a random one.

Josh: Yeah, just like, I guess you could go on the charts, but I'd much prefer get someone mentioning a podcast that you listen to.

Tommy: Tell a friend. I reckon podcasting, unless you're listening to Joe Rogan, which is always top 10, uh, it's a, it's a suggestion, it's a, um, word of mouth, word of mouth game.

Josh: Yeah, we also had someone from Portugal reach out too, so we're getting a fair few internationals, which has started making me think so much shit must be going over their heads.

Tommy: That's okay. I did think when that one came through and I saw the addresses somewhere in Portugal, I thought Josh has definitely done some on-the-ground marketing of the Daily Talk Show on his world trip, because you did speak to a few people that then ended up listening to the show. Yeah, which got our international Numbers up.

Josh: Well, from the, you know, taxi driver in Athens to my mate Ibi who lives in Spain, who— Ibi was, uh, the awesome dude who I actually did the podcast from his place, and I had all the games behind me. But he's also one of the moderators of our Reddit.

Tommy: Well, he's the brains behind, uh, actually having this thing started, because didn't we need his help?

Josh: Yeah, he actually had to set up the Reddit because we didn't have enough karma points.

Tommy: Anyone who gives Josh technical help is a fucking expert in my eyes. Because if Josh couldn't work it out, yeah, we're all in trouble.

Josh: The, um, today's Monday, not a public holiday.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a weird vibe because tomorrow is a public holiday.

Josh: Yeah, so it's only in Melbourne.

Tommy: Yeah, true, that will be going over some people's heads.

Josh: Yeah, so in Melbourne we have What is it, like a carnival? Is that the right—

Tommy: It is up there with one of the biggest racing carnivals in the world. Like, it's a part of— it's, it's on the world stage, the Melbourne Cup Carnival.

Josh: Yeah, horses. Horses.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So it's just like horses racing. Yeah. I don't necessarily get the appeal.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, what don't you get about it?

Josh: Like, so there's Melbourne Cup is the main day and that happens on Tuesday and it's a public holiday. Yeah, in Melbourne. But they have around the carnival all these other days like Derby Day.

Tommy: Derby Day is the first Saturday of the carnival. Melbourne Cup is the Tuesday. Ladies Day, I don't know if it's Ladies Day anymore, that's Thursday. And then there's Oaks, which might be the Ladies Day, but then on Saturday it's Family Day. I used to frequent Family Day quite a bit because it totally depends. Like, I know your circles used to knock about.

Josh: What circles? The, uh, myself and I.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, there was no circle to knock about with. But this, if you— depends on the circles you're knocking about with if you grew up here in Melbourne, because there's like— it was never my family. My old man's a surfer, my mum's a yogi. Probably not the ones that you—

Josh: are they into— like, do they see it as cruel?

Tommy: No, because we were watching it on this on Saturday and my old man was pretty keen on seeing this horse because there was some history made recently. This, this one horse, and this is the thing, this is where I reckon you'd get into it if you had people around you that were like saying what's happening. I had no idea, but it was, um, Moonee Valley, I think it was, which is like, so there's, there's a, they pile in a whole bunch of races like other race meets around this time. 'cause there's like Bendigo Cup, so around like the state there's all these other meets, Echuca, Maroopna, all these other ones. But there was one at Moonee Valley, which is in Melbourne, and there was a horse that was racing to, I think, try and win it for the third time in a row or fourth time, and it won. And so my dad was like, "No, I don't gotta listen to this." And I was like, "Oh, I'm into it now." And it just came through and killed them. So it was like this amazing, They treat the horse, they were saying after, you know, we love this horse so much and it's been through so much. And so you had—

Josh: but you felt the, the buying.

Tommy: I get buying. I'm start asking questions. I said to my brother, do horses sleep standing up? He said, no, they lay down the hay.

Josh: That's a big bit of buy-in right there.

Tommy: Well, because I think giraffes actually sleep standing up. I mean, it's pretty far down for them to get. But there is other buy-in. So, um, the— when I was at private school There is families who had horses, uh, not own horses. I used to train some clients that owned horses. Oh, one of my clients, Noel, he was an accountant and he told me that he bought a horse like years and years ago at One Moonee Valley and he reckons he made $500k off it. It was awesome. Anyway, that was just a little side story, but we used to go to the car park, so we'd get like the family pass with my friend's mum and then would go, would dress up in some man-to-man cheap suit, Is Man to Man still around? I think they are. Man to Man, that was definitely a chea— one of the cheapest places to get a suit.

Josh: Yeah, like $99 sort of suit at a major shopping center. It would be a bit too big.

Tommy: You would have loved it actually because the food— you don't drink, but the food was always like chicken sandwiches, like cucumber sandwiches, so many good arancini balls. It was all about like the barbecues going on in the car park. So you'd literally drive in with—

Josh: Wait, so this is not— So, uh, Melbourne Cup has this, uh, area which is known as— what's the, what's the big, the, the main fancy area?

Tommy: I don't know. Oh, the Birdcage. Yeah, that's like— I've been to the Birdcage. I got—

Josh: can you stop rubbing the microphone?

Tommy: I got, um, tickets from Nick Brax, whose father was the Premier of Victoria, Steve Brax.

Josh: Was it— did Nick Brax alcohol driving?

Tommy: Yeah, he had a car accident.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And he was under the influence. And then he's, um—

Josh: and you're mates with him?

Tommy: Yeah, mate. So that was years and years before I knew who he was. So I met him through a friend of mine, and then he goes to the gym I go to. But years ago, we were meant to go to the races together, and he had tickets to one of the major marquees, the Emirates Marquee. Epic.

Josh: Emirates are normally like the big sponsor. Are they the big sponsor this year?

Tommy: I don't know who— there is a major sponsor.

Josh: I think about like, when I think of Melbourne Cup, I think— who is this? Uh, Myer, I think Lexus, uh, I think Lovatza.

Tommy: Yeah, Swiss used to be one of the big sponsors. Um, and so yeah, we had tickets and he pulled the pin. But what a fucking legend, he gave me the two passes to get into the marquee. And Lexus Melbourne Cup— Lexus are the main sponsor this year. And so I went, I took my mate Fitzie, and it was perfect because I was like paranoid that he— that I couldn't get in without Nick because they were, you know, invitation to him.

Josh: Okay, sure.

Tommy: I think it had a name on it. Anyway, I rocked up, knew the fucking security guard on the door.

Josh: Of course you did.

Tommy: I just hand— he didn't even look at my thing. I just walked straight in. I probably didn't even need it. So the real hard thing to get is the actual pass into the birdcage itself, because if you're a full member of this racing club, you can get into the birdcage, but you just can't get into the marquees because they're all invitation-based.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I will say, after being one of the punters in the car park, one of the little ratty kids who's just gone into general admission and a wanker in the Birdcage, I would choose wanker any day because you go and everything's looked after. You don't— you just walk in, there's free drinks, amazing food, lots of music, and, you know, celebrities.

Josh: And people don't even watch the actual races.

Tommy: Yeah, there is. So in all the marquees there's like a screen, screens and shit, and you can— oh, there's the, the, there is, um TAB-esque things, like punting areas within them. But the problem is, if they're not one of the big names like the TAB or Sportsbet, if you put a bet within them and you won and then you went home, you actually couldn't claim it because you can't— because it's like a, a private-run booking. And so yeah, I remember thinking, fuck, I think I've won like $10 here. But I could never claim it because I couldn't get on. It wasn't the TAB, so I couldn't go down to my local and claim the ticket.

Josh: I remember when I was a kid, we would have like Melbourne Cup at our house. So have a big whiteboard and everyone would do a sweeps— they call that sweepstakes or whatever— and everyone would get like a specific horse that they were backing for.

Tommy: But, um, it brings a lot of money to the country because there's people coming from everywhere and people are gambling. It's pretty ridiculous.

Josh: Well, I was just on, um, it would have been Saturday night, Bree and I went to Feast of Merit on Swan Street. Yeah. Which I think, by the way, isn't owned by Winegap anymore.

Tommy: Not?

Josh: I don't think so. I mean, I could be making that up, but, um, I mean, for our Portugal listeners, what does that fucking mean? Yeah, it's one to look into.

Tommy: Awesome. It used to be like a not-for-profit restaurant.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So yeah, all the profits that they made went to charity, but it was an also— it's also a wicked restaurant.

Josh: Yeah, like Middle Eastern style food. But, um, no, the reason I think that— why Gap's— sorry, I think, uh, Feast of Merit was sold. Okay. I don't know what the, what the deal is, but anyway, I thought that was interesting.

Tommy: Food still is good.

Josh: Yeah, really good. And they— one thing to keep in mind is that they do doggy bags. Bray and I got— did the banquet and got lamb. Yeah. And we're just like stuffing our face and we're like, the lamb is so good. It's the last thing they bring out.

Tommy: Was it just you two?

Josh: Yeah. And it wasn't until the, like, we got the, well, funnily enough, we didn't really even get the bill. They came up to us and said, "How are you going with it all?" And we're like, "Oh, we're so full." And they're like, "Oh, you can take it away," which is great.

Tommy: And are you surprised that they do because of the, like—

Josh: Well, doggy bags are pretty, I don't think they're that common in Australia.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: With all the food regulations.

Tommy: Yeah, there was some real rules that came in around You have to—

Josh: We had to put it in our own, like they gave us a container and we put it in ourselves into the container.

Tommy: That's a way around maybe one of the rules.

Josh: Maybe it's because what I was wondering is, do they do— You're just doing some Googling. I wonder if they do Uber Eats, because if they did Uber Eats or if they did delivery, I'm guessing they would be able to just do the doggy bag thing. Is doggy bag an Australian term or is that used overseas as well?

Tommy: Yeah, it's— Well, I've just typed in doggy bag food in Melbourne. It's come up with melbourne.vic.gov.au and it uses that term. Oh geez, it's a full document I've downloaded.

Josh: God. PDF.

Tommy: Yeah, food safety information. A doggy bag is a small bag provided on request by a restaurant for a customer to carry home leftovers of a meal. Once a doggy bag is given out, it becomes the property of the consumer Therefore, it is the responsibility of the consumer to store and handle the taken away food.

Josh: So the question I have is, can any place— can every place do doggy bags?

Tommy: Yeah, the Victorian Food Act 1984 does not prohibit restaurants from providing doggy bags. However, it is at the restaurant's discretion whether they provide this service or not. So people could opt out of it. I remember there was some scare tactics probably at play where restaurants have just said, no, we don't. And I mean, you go into Vaudemont, high-end French restaurants, spending $400. I, for one, maybe don't go— like, I couldn't imagine a bunch of people taking home snails or like the food that they have.

Josh: Yeah, it really, it changes the perspective of how you think of the food when it's in sort of a biodegradable container.

Tommy: And so what have you done? Did you take some home?

Josh: Yeah, so we could have had so much more lamb.

Tommy: And so you went hard.

Josh: I went fucking hard because I'm like, we've paid for this. And then—

Tommy: You know the problem with you and Bree, you don't like to get in an uncomfortable situation. You could have asked.

Josh: Yeah, we could have.

Tommy: Was there a real discussion point on the dinner table? Oh well, added to some bullet points to get through.

Josh: Well, so the funny thing is we actually went up to pay and then they said, did you guys get your dessert?

Tommy: And what happened?

Josh: And we're like, oh no, I don't think we had dessert. I'm like, no, if you get the banquet, you get dessert. Oh, and the girl's like, oh well, she goes, do you want to take it away? Yeah, like, yeah.

Tommy: So they then, okay, that went and gave us the dessert.

Josh: We basically were eating in but probably took most of it away.

Tommy: Like, it was a dessert.

Josh: It was like a, um, rose water ice cream and some sort of chocolate tart. It was very good.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But my point of bringing this up was because we were—

Tommy: We're now sponsored by Feastin' Road.

Josh: No, it was on Swan Street in Richmond. And Richmond is a bit of a hub in Melbourne for— It's very close to the MCG. It's got a big train station. Yeah. A lot of people in and out of the area. And so when Derby Day was on, there was a huge amount of activity, people in suits, people, women wear these things called fascinators, which is a fucking thing they put on their head. It's a hat.

Tommy: It's a hat with shit going everywhere.

Josh: Yeah. It's a crafty hat.

Tommy: I saw a few people even down towards where I was in, where was I? Beaumaris? I saw some people get into— out of an Uber and ran into the bottle shop, and there were a bunch of oldies.

Josh: There's so much of that. Like, I was, um, at Coles that night, and there was a girl who ran into the Coles. She was, you know, all dressed up, and she's like frantically getting flowers. She gets like multiple bunches of flowers and quickly runs over to sort of the outside counter area where people would normally go to buy ciggies or like the newspaper. Oh yeah, what is that section? Yeah, it's like the customer service bit. It's not actually in the shop. Yeah, anyway, they, um, she was like, oh quick, can I just buy these? And she bought them. And then I was on the self-checkout while that was all happening. And then I walk out to see her then giving them to her friends who was all dressed up and she's like, oh my God, thanks!

Tommy: What am I going to do with this?

Josh: And like the other girls on her Instagram storey getting all the shots. So it's a very, um, intense sort of, uh, intense time.

Tommy: Yeah, wait till the Melbourne Cup, which is—

Josh: it is tomorrow.

Tommy: Everyone is like— even last night in St Kilda, it was pumping because today most people probably took today off. It's very cool. It's so quiet on the roads today here, but it was just People just on it. Yeah, just primed. It's alcohol, but it is—

Josh: do you think it's really bogan?

Tommy: Yeah, if you go like— we used to go to the thing called Caulfield Cup, which is outside of— oh no, probably would have been 3 weeks ago here.

Josh: Yeah, uh, part of the carnival.

Tommy: Yes, that's what I was thinking. It's, it's a part of the Spring Racing Carnival because it is within Spring. Yeah, it's within spring. Yes, it must. Yeah, it is a part. I'm doing some maths here. Um, but that is so broken because you get people that want to experience it and dress up for the first time, so you can really see the people who are like legit fashionistas. But then me is the man-to-man kid.

Josh: You're wearing the same suit to your court appearance and dandy.

Tommy: 100%. Yeah, I remember I was I was real pissed once at the Caulfield Cup and I just fucking slapped the back of my neck and I was like, oh, what the hell? And I kept on like rubbing.

Josh: I guess what it was, intense pain. Was it like gel or wax from your hair?

Tommy: No, I'd been bitten by a bee. Lucky I'm not allergic. But I went in, I was in the bathrooms just like looking, and I like pulled out the stinger, but it got me and I was just pissed enough to keep going.

Josh: So when I was— I went to the— my— we'll put a photo on our Insta story. Um, I don't know if it's good enough as an Insta post. This is where Insta storeys have really fucked things up. Yeah, trying to work out what is— like, everything used to be a goer for my— if you go back down to my— everything was an Insta post, and now I'm rarely posting Insta posts.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Um, no, but there's a photo of me when I was working at the radio station and I was at the Melbourne Cup as the web guy.

Tommy: What was your role? I was just getting— What were you actually doing there?

Josh: I'm trying to actually remember. I must have been getting— I was definitely getting some content, but I can't— I was doing photos. We mustn't have had access to be able to— we might not have had permission based on rights. People treat it like the fucking Olympics where it's like, ah, Turns out Nova has, you know, another radio station has the rights, but you can take photos rather than videos.

Tommy: It's like the tennis, yeah, major sponsor radio station.

Josh: And so, but what I do remember is, um, just after that event, there was a, um, uh, Jules had some footage of him and the Maya CEO. So yeah, Maya is a big department store here in Australia. And our mate Jules Lund, who I worked on his radio show, he was a big Myer ambassador. And so there's this— there was this Myer event that was coming up where Bernie, I think his name was, the CEO, was being honoured at this event. Yeah. And so Jules had put all of this montage of all this footage together, and he had this footage of him and Bernie sort of having a laugh together at Maya. And Jules sent it to, I think the PR people must have got, the Maya PR people got it and they said, "Here you go, there is some dude in the background being a bit of an idiot." I think that's how the storey went. Anyway, Jules looks at it and it was at the Maya marquee on the year that we were doing the Melbourne Cup. Yeah, yeah. And there's just me behind them dancing, trying to get into the shot, and it made the cut. And so I've got the video. I'll put—

Tommy: oh, amazing.

Josh: Definitely an Insta story. Oh, sorry, an Insta post.

Tommy: That's it.

Josh: On the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: Something cool is that this year, because basically to get to the racetrack, it's in a suburb that is outside of the city, Flemington. It's in a place called Flemington., and it's pretty crazy. Like, it's a small suburb and it just gets flooded with people, like 100,000 people, whatever it is. And so the train systems are how people get out there, or Ubers or cabs, but you don't want to be driving. It's like congestion city. But this year what they've done, Metro Trains sent drones up.

Josh: I saw this story, but I don't fuck it. I understand that someone in The train team was like, hey, let you know, the fucking Metro is like bought a DJI. Yeah. I don't understand why. What are they actually using the drone for?

Tommy: They're looking ahead to see if there's shit going down. Like there was a car on the tracks once and there was—

Josh: So what does it do?

Tommy: Just fly up and down the road? They must be releasing a bunch of them, just making sure they're just like checking checking the clearways because you've got to go through all these crossings and shit. So it's a, it's a weird one. I saw the storey and I thought, great, looking for terrorism. Yeah, that was where my head went. But it turns out they're just looking at the tracks to make sure everything's running smoothly.

Josh: But do you think that that's, that's a PR thing from there and they think it's really cool that this—

Tommy: I think they get fined. I thought that was the case, that if the train system shits itself there's a company that have tended to look after everything and then it's up to them.

Josh: What used to be Connex.

Tommy: Oh, yeah, that's right. M-Train was another one.

Josh: Yeah, don't remember M-Train. And then it became Metro and Metro is what it is now.

Tommy: Yeah, maybe M-Train was Metro, maybe they just rebranded.

Josh: Maybe. And so, they basically, what they have a deal with the Victorian government, it's like we have to have a certain amount of uptime, And Melbourne is notorious for when it gets to the summer specifically, everything starts to screw up because of the, the heat and the warping of the tracks.

Tommy: But when we were in New York, we were thinking like, we went into the subway and it was probably 26 degrees.

Josh: It was gross.

Tommy: Oh my God, but it gets 40 degrees over there. And so it was like, yeah, 26, and it was still killer. And those trains are all underground under CBD. Yeah, it's crazy. No wonder it shits itself. Yeah, I'd shit myself if I was on that train in that heat.

Josh: Yeah, it's a bit stinky and gross, but I'm enjoying— I'm looking forward to, uh, I know that what they've actually done previous years too is, um, Uber will do Uber helicopters as well. Really? So like a select amount of bogans can arrive on a helicopter, which is cool.

Tommy: It would cost a bit though. Not every bogan has cash. Yeah, actually there's a lot of cash.

Josh: But there's also, there is something bogan about living beyond your means. The guy who—

Tommy: I see.

Josh: Yeah, so someone who has Foxtel but can't afford a door, like a front door, like that's, that's a pretty bogan thing to do, don't you think?

Tommy: Is that— is— do you know this? Is there a storey out there?

Josh: Yeah, literally, like I've said it on the show before.

Tommy: Was that you guys?

Josh: No, I've got— there's a mate who I, um who had a kiddity school and they had Foxtel, but they didn't have a front door. Foxtel is cable TV for, yeah, for our international audience.

Tommy: And when we were young especially, it was like a very— it was, it was amazing to have, like, you were— it was pretty special to have Foxtel. But I thought it was pretty special to have a front door. If I had to choose, I reckon as a child I probably would have chose the front door.

Josh: No, you wouldn't. Yeah, I don't know.

Tommy: No, but I, I know I want to— mate, you're all about security.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Tommy: You definitely choose the front door.

Josh: The public holidays when you were growing up, what was, uh, when you thought public holidays, or we call them curriculum days, do you remember curriculum days? Did you call them that?

Tommy: I thought curriculum days weren't public holidays.

Josh: A curriculum day is a school, but the school would be off, wouldn't it?

Tommy: The school's off because I thought they were It was something to do with the curriculum, the teachers, they're planning what they're going to do for the next— so they said it was just a booze-up wine tour.

Josh: So the public— so public, um, public holidays, do you remember what that meant for you when you were growing up?

Tommy: Everything, every— the weekend, the holidays, it was always, okay, who's having a gathering, who's having a party, where can we go and drink a few beers?

Josh: What about when you were younger? Before that was it, when you had the autonomy? Like, for me it was, uh, 10-pin bowling or rollerblading.

Tommy: I can't remember that far, but maybe it's the later years. But what age are you talking? Because I was, I was misbehaving from grade 6.

Josh: Yeah, probably from— I reckon I would have been doing the whole 10-pin bowling stuff. From grade 6 until year 9?

Tommy: Yeah, it was from end of grade 6 onwards.

Josh: So did your parties—

Tommy: parties, babe.

Josh: And so your, your parents didn't, like, your families didn't take turns in, oh, we're going to take you guys to laser tag?

Tommy: Oh, I mean, we did heaps of that, but I don't remember it ever being because of a public holiday. I reckon you've got a really great memory.

Josh: Was it a family— what I'm curious about, was it like a would you— because I felt like a parent would normally take charge and it was like, okay, uh, my mum is gonna have me and a couple of my mates and we're gonna go somewhere.

Tommy: If you can remember that, that's— I'm— hats off to you.

Josh: Are you serious? You don't remember?

Tommy: I cannot remember.

Josh: I remember so much of that stuff.

Tommy: I took a lot of days off school just because I didn't want to go, so maybe that felt like— it was a weird thing. My mum worked from home, like she had her own business, and so did my dad. So I can't, I can't remember. There was never a time where I can pinpoint. Like, we used to go and do laser tag and go to Gumby Park. Yeah, Gumby Park, that was a good one. Um, outer suburbs.

Josh: Have we ever spoken about, um, Wally's World?

Tommy: Wobby's World.

Josh: Wobby's World.

Tommy: Wobby's World we went to.

Josh: I'd never been to Wobby's World, and I was so upset because I remember they had like a helicopter in their ad. Yes, it was out the front of their of the actual, yeah, theme park, whatever it's called. And I remember finding out that Wobby's World was closing down and we never got to go. I was just so upset about it.

Tommy: Well, I can tell you Wobby's World was amazing from what I remember being on this thing. Being— I remember being up in that helicopter. I was a couple of years older than you, so that was like probably helped that we went probably a few years. If you are not from Melbourne, that'd make no sense. Think of the nostalgic place that you can think back to as a kid that was like, yeah, you wanted to go to so bad. It had a whole bunch of rides.

Josh: I'm going to put up on our Reddit our, um, uh, the ad. I'm sure there's a Wobbies World ad.

Tommy: Yeah, there is. And there's this thing, it was like on rails and it was— went like all around that, um, what do you call it, helicopter. And it used to spray— you could spray water from one. It was like a fire engine, so you could fully shoot and hit targets with the water. It was It was epic. Yeah, but it's— they— I think they're reopening something out there.

Josh: I think it was the other one, Gumby Park. Gumby Park is doing that.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it's just a grab. You see, the problem is—

Josh: what, a grab for what?

Tommy: For money.

Josh: But of course, why else are you opening a business? But what do you expect?

Tommy: It won't be as good, I don't think. I think that's the problem. These places you go to as kids and then, yeah, you're an adult, you take your kids there, you're like Well, the marketing is, you know, the TV ads and stuff.

Josh: But, um, Bri and I had a whole, um, on the weekend, like a few hours of just watching old, um, TV ads on YouTube.

Tommy: What, so what is there? What, oh, there's everything. This is really niche to Melbourne.

Josh: Yeah. Oh, just like everything from, uh, what ads? Colonial Finance, like Colonial Bank. That was— remember there was Colonial Stadium?

Tommy: Yeah, now it's Marvel Stadium.

Josh: Is it really?

Tommy: Yeah, they've changed.

Josh: Marvel, the what?

Tommy: There, so Colonial Stadium, which is the big— it was Telstra Dome, it turned into Eddie Head Stadium, which these are all just sponsors that are putting their name up anymore. Not Eddie Head, it's Marvel, as in Marvel Comics. Marvel Stadium.

Josh: Fuck, that's a cool brand.

Tommy: I thought it was cool. So when you're driving across the the big bridge out of Melbourne says Marvel Stadium. It's pretty cool. People were giving it pushback.

Josh: Well, there's all that pushback at the moment with, um, Apple, uh, coming to Fed Square. They're trying to, uh, put some sort of historic, uh, labelling on Fed Square.

Tommy: So there's nothing historic about Fed Square. It's 4 years old.

Josh: Well, also Fed Square— no, but Fed Square had It's more than 8 years.

Tommy: Is it?

Josh: It's probably 15 years. But Fed Square had so much pushback, remember, when it started? It was, it was across, it's across the road from the famous Flinders Street Station. If you type in Flinders, if you're not from Australia, Flinders Street Station, yeah, and then you type in Fed Square, you can see the architectural differences.

Tommy: Dude, Apple do it well. New York, in some of the old buildings there, they're primo. Where was the best Apple Store you went to overseas? You went to one in Italy, didn't you?

Josh: Yeah, I went to a bunch. I'm trying to think.

Tommy: I mean, they're all very similar.

Josh: Yeah, probably the one— there's one in the— in Paris, in the fucking, um, uh, in where the Mona Lisa is.

Tommy: Oh, the Louvre?

Josh: The Louvre. Really?

Tommy: Yeah, there's one in there.

Josh: Yeah, so that was pretty cool. But, um, I think I struggled to work out how to fucking get in there because you had to sort of go underground.

Tommy: Oh yes. But anyway, so they haven't— I think they do it good enough to be able to have it, and we need more of them. There's not one in this— there's one in the city? No, there's one in the city.

Josh: But what about if Apple just became a bit naff? It feels like Apple might be on the way out, and if they are as a brand, what gives you that sense? Well, I just get a sense because, I don't know, are they slowing their innovation? I don't know. They're cool now. Are they going to be cool in 10 years? I don't know.

Tommy: They've been cool for a long time.

Josh: Yeah. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. You can still get stickers. All you have to do is put in on the subject line "stickers" with your address in the body of the email. And if you really love us, you can also write us a note so we know who you are.

Tommy: Yeah, so shout out to Santiago.

Josh: Yeah, do we get anywhere else? Uh, no, we had a few others, but, um, and we got a really nice email from Danny the other day too, who, um, He was saying Danny was the person who gave— he's the train driver— gave some pushback.

Tommy: Fucking Danny.

Josh: Fucking Danny gave some feedback a while ago about my travel storeys and saying, don't give a fuck about your travel stories, Josh.

Tommy: And it was almost in a nicer way than that, but it still had the fucks in there.

Josh: Yeah, absolutely. And he said, despite me initially saying I wasn't interested in what you were up to, Josh, I ended up missing hearing it. And he's gone on to, I'm not into Instagram and giving Facebook a miss at the moment so I don't get sacked for posting something I shouldn't. I thought, did he say somewhere that he did get sacked or no? I must have made that up. But a lovely email. And he finishes it, he says, can't wait to see what you guys, the future brings with Big Media Company. But he says, just realised I didn't swear much, sorry. Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck. Regards, Danny the fucking train driver. Fucking love Danny.

Tommy: Shout out to fucking Danny.

Josh: Fucking Danny. It's The Daily Talk Show. Feel free to send that email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. And we are, um, still— Reddit is still a thing. Someone did say, hey, I heard that your Reddit fucking project failed.

Tommy: I was like, no, never.

Josh: Still alive. Uh, Reddit is, uh, hi@thedaily— what, what is it? No, thedailytalkshow.reddit.com.

Tommy: Yeah, I like that.

Josh: That's how you find it.

Tommy: We'll see you tomorrow, guys.

Josh: Catch ya.