Parody Vibes

Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show, everyone. Episode 203, live here from Collingwood.

Tommy: Yeah, correct. Uh, this— how would day-a-wee back together working? Because this is more of an official capacity now that we're working in the same office.

Josh: You're asking what day did we actually start?

Tommy: Yeah, I can't remember. Was it just last week? You were in a bit of a haze last week feeling jet lagged, so this is really the first week, yeah, that we're back at it. Um, picking up on a few things.

Josh: What?

Tommy: You, you love to procrastinate and bring people in on it.

Josh: No, you are just a a snowflake that will just do whatever.

Tommy: True, there's always different perspectives to situations, but I definitely feel it. No, I think the— it's, it's one of your traits of being able to suck in the energy, sucking people to your energy. Maybe it's you at a different frequency. It's, um, we've been talking a lot about co-working spaces, and the— we went and visited my brother Michael, who works at a coworking space. And was this— is this your first experience of understanding, like, going to one of— what was it, The Commons, which is a large coworking space? Is that your first time going there, like, to meet someone, seeing the day-to-day?

Josh: No, I've met people there before. Lucy works in the same one.

Tommy: Yeah, it just so happens there's about 5 people we know in this coworking space. It's a weird— you said this would be a great mockumentary. Mockumentary.

Josh: So I think that I, when it comes to open plan offices, my personality is the reason why there shouldn't be open plan offices. Or it's at least the thing of if you are going to, it depends what is an open plan office for, do you think?

Tommy: Well, I thought that they did it to make it—

Josh: Not a coworking space, just an open plan office.

Tommy: Open plan office is to make it so that everyone's on the same playing field, I thought. Was to sort of open up the communication.

Josh: Yeah, um, being able to turn to the person next to you.

Tommy: Yeah, well, yeah, so you're not— you can get up and say something rather than send an email. Yeah, potentially, which doesn't happen in big companies. Everyone is on the email train, on the Slack, on— yeah, going hard. But, um, yeah, I mean, you've worked in more big media companies outside of ours, uh, than I have. And what are the learnings from the— actually, were you the same as what you are here?

Josh: Yeah, so what do you— so what is your— finish your observation. You can be offensive.

Tommy: No, no, I don't think there's anything wrong with what you do unless we have deadlines. Yeah, um, because the deadlines can be pushed back. Like, I always think even this podcast, I've pushed this back today because for me it can throw me off from an energy perspective where I put so much into this and then I'm sort of excitable about something and we go down a train of thought about the show and what we're doing. So, well, why don't we—

Josh: let's talk through the day and we'll see what the rabbit holes were. How about that? Okay, so we got— I got in quarter past 6. Yeah, I ended up— I called you at 25 past 6 because I couldn't work out how to open the front door.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a latch down the bottom.

Josh: Yeah, well, the latch was hard to open, but I got there because I know about the key and all that sort of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, I should have said you can kick it. You can use your foot because it's like—

Josh: I don't want to have to kick in it. That's— this is— you even showed me a little hack of how to maybe open one of the locks the other day, and it involved potentially looking like you're breaking in. It was like, lock it. It's like, mate, you know, for this specific bit, this storage bit, you actually can just pick that— you were teaching me how to pick a lock, and then I was like, oh, I don't have that key. And I was there picking the lock, I was like, yeah, what the fuck? This is, this is my office, what are we doing?

Tommy: There's a different line of thinking. Mine's, this is fun doing this, I feel like I'm breaking in without being charged for it. But yeah, so you got in early.

Josh: So I got in early and gave you a call straight away. Yeah, tried to sort that out. But then I had a a podcast interview from 8 o'clock that I was doing for someone else's podcast. I'm pretty full, I don't have any, I don't really, it's not that I'm not respectful, but when I'm doing my thing and I'm in my zone, there is no regard in the sense of, I noticed that after I got off that call, 'cause the last like 15 minutes was me talking to the guy after the podcast and he was based in Toronto. It was the first time I'd spoken to him and I was pacing around. I thought there is 4 other people in the office at the time and I got off and I was like, "Oh, hey everyone." But I was like, "Oh, actually I didn't even realize." Mason, who works with us, I didn't even say hello. Like it didn't even register. It was like 15 minutes later after Mason probably had thought that I'd interacted just by being here until I sleep.

Tommy: This is why I pushed the podcast back because you were lost until maybe it tripped you up. So today's one of the days I actually noticed where you are flying and maybe it's the podcast in the morning sets you up to be cognitively flying.

Josh: Flying maybe in the sense of, so because we had a meeting soon after, so that finished at 9:15. Then you were working on a little edit that we just put out. Yeah. Of Los Angeles from our trip. And so then we went down and I said, do you wanna grab a coffee? So we grabbed a coffee around 9:30. Yeah. And then during that coffee, I've got non-negotiables here and I've written down, we need to email a client for a job that we've got on, we've gotta record the Daily Talk Show, we needed to do a client audit, which I had down for 1 o'clock, which was us going through all of our clients that we had separately and working out which ones we actually wanted to reach out to.

Tommy: Yeah, 100%. So there's a bunch of stuff that we've actually done them surprisingly, but surprisingly 'cause it—

Josh: We did a lot of things outside of the non-negotiables before we did the non-negotiables.

Tommy: But maybe this is the thing. So the whole reason, and it's not like this is not some rock solid principle we've been following, it's been one day that we've done this non-negotiable thing of what are the tasks, which makes sense. What are the tasks that you have, that you've, we're not giving ourselves an option to not do.

Josh: You have to walk away at the end of the day and say, I have got to do these things. And as long as I do them, I can walk away and say I've had a good day. Maybe did I put the— did I set the bar too low? Because we've done the non-negs, but it feels like I've done a lot of other shit.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. So that, that was what I was thinking in that moment of like, I think you can be loose and have fun and sort of maybe that comes for other people, it's at their detriment.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But you can get— you can have a heap of fun and get a couple of things done.

Josh: We have my brother here right now.

Tommy: That was an anonymously, anonymously, yeah, just invited, which is great, invited him over.

Josh: We went and had grilled, he had a basketball. I was gonna, if we had time, I was gonna, uh, test out some audio stuff.

Tommy: I had someone, I had someone pop in as well. And I was thinking, so you don't want to be so strict in your day where you like seem antisocial or, you know, you're giving pushback at everything.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But it is an interesting thing working around others where you need to put your foot down at some point and go, guys, we're gonna wrap this up and get together and do some work.

Josh: Well, I'm the natural leader in some regards, and so maybe that's part of the risk too, is people will— like, we— I don't know how we got onto it, but we started talking about the live streaming. It was because Mason was— you and I had talked a bunch about the opportunities of having Mason, who's been doing some free work and being like, you know what, like one of our, literally one of the goals we wrote down was around being able, the people that we have on to help us, to be able to pay them and to bring them on the books and all that sort of thing from the beginning. And so you and I had had that conversation. So then that was the first time we'd seen Mason since then.

Tommy: Well, yeah, you've got to go with the flow sometimes.

Josh: But you're probably gonna wait, were you? Like, I guess sometimes maybe—

Tommy: I like to read a moment and go, nah, may as well do this here.

Josh: Yeah. And you read it and was like, oh, it makes actually makes sense. We're talking about this shit.

Tommy: Yeah, I just— what I'm battling with is when do you— not you personally, but in any situation— when do people— when is it like, when do you really put your foot down? When do you get really rigid? And being rigid, does that mean that you sort of have no fluidity in creativity? What do you think?

Josh: No, well, I think that you can be the stick in the mud. I think that's the worst feeling. And what the unfortunate thing that can happen is that when you're in a group dynamic, you being the one who's pushing forward the thing that's the work that's not necessarily the fun bit isn't, ever the fun place to be. Like, it's never the, uh, what would you call it? Like, it's not the goal. You don't want to be that personality.

Tommy: Yeah, you don't want to be a fun sponge.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: All right guys, we're going to wrap it up and go home. Yeah, it's only 10:30.

Josh: But I don't know, I think it's, um, today was very— I think it was because I had the confidence in the non-negotiables and that we're still going to get them done, but also you and I have talked about, like being in a space where it's just you and I versus having other people in. If I have— I see almost faces and people as little obligations, and so, and that normally takes priority over the obligations that are on my to-do list. So if Derek comes in I want to feel like I have a chat with her. I don't want to ever be dismissive because I know that it's like, I can always, because I enjoy having a conversation.

Tommy: Yeah, bumping into people is one of those things.

Josh: It's like fucking Seinfeld a little bit here today, don't you think? Yeah, yep.

Tommy: As you say that, someone was walking out with a large painting, a delivery guy, and it had vibes of a Seinfeld episode. Just walking down the stairs, dropping it. No, there definitely is. There is. I remember working in a gym and it felt like there should be some reality TV show, just some comedy about the personalities and quirks, just like a co-working space. Yeah, there is. I mean, this is why Ricky Gervais is so rich because he actually just did that.

Josh: So do you think— what was it like when you were working at the bigger radio stations when you weren't necessarily the talent, but you were day-to-day grind digital content producer. Yeah. Was there a lot of banter going on? Was there a lot of walking around and talking?

Tommy: Yeah, it's good. I mean, the departments really are broken up, so you can sort of, you know, it's almost like you walk over a group of people that are all working away, but you've got friends there, and then you can feel like you can— you don't feel— yeah, it's like a new You know, when you walk up and just say, "What's going on over here?" It's like, gives you, it's entertainment though. It's selfish because it does, like, they're looking up and going, "Yeah," they're being polite, but then you can get them. So you can sense when they don't want a bar of it and then you can hook them in and then like they're on.

Josh: Well, Bree loves a chat, but she's also super efficient, super driven, super focused. And so she's gotten back from her trip and she's already said like, I have become the person that people will go to if they want to have a chat. What do I do? She said, what do I do? Because I don't want to, I don't want to like be rude. Yeah. And so my tactic is, I said, just wear headphones if you have to physically. Like, I'm not a comp—

Tommy: didn't work for Chase Jarvis. I went straight up to him, he's on our podcast.

Josh: Well, but if you're at— if someone's at a desk and they've got headphones on, Avan's I thought about it with Jimmy, our mate, Conspiracy Theorist Jimmy.

Tommy: That's not his nickname.

Josh: Can we make that his nickname or no? That's a good example. Tuesday, I think I spent 45 minutes talking to him about the mainstream media.

Tommy: And the American political landscape. Yeah, I opted out of that conversation.

Josh: Where did you even go for that time? I think I just left. But that was for 45 minutes.

Tommy: I know, I was doing something and I was like, fuck, I'm out of this one.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Definitely not involved in that.

Josh: But no, Jimmy, yesterday I saw there was a moment, it was actually when you told me, it was when I wasn't necessarily vibing it, but you said, I just needed to take a piss and we'll go. Just go talk to Jimmy. Do you remember you saying that? Yeah. Which is sort of a fucked up thing. Why couldn't I just stand? Literally there's like toilets and then there's another office. Next door to us.

Tommy: You don't want to be a pest, but then—

Josh: So I went into Jimmy's, and so Jimmy's got his headphones in, and I just sort of walk in as if he's invited.

Tommy: Like, I'm like, hey man.

Josh: He's like, oh hey. And but I didn't really have anything to say. It was almost like I felt like you'd teed up this thing and that he should have met me with some sort of interest as well.

Tommy: I think I was just referring to you to go and say hi to him. Sup bro? Just say hello. Not delve into also political conversation.

Josh: But then before you know it, I think in that moment, I'd— this is the other thing that somehow ends up happening, is I tend to get— I mean, it's only been a few days here in the off— the office that we have together, and I've already had a couple of packages. Yeah. And somehow they've been quite big in size, and they've started conversation from the standing desk to the new Microphone, the audio mixer.

Tommy: You know, the thing about receiving packages is the fucking packaging. Yeah, is the most annoying part. It's a big box, cardboard, recyclable, but it's called bins. We don't— we have a lack of them. Even our apartment block doesn't have enough bins for the amount of like recycling we have.

Josh: Where do we put stuff?

Tommy: Yeah, we've got very limited bins and we've got a few square metres now of cardboard that we need to dispose of. Yeah, it is Because you want— you don't want people to have more rubbish because I think more bins encourage more rubbish. Yeah, I remember in New York when we were there, um, seeing— there was a big sign, it was like, um, boxes, like, crush your boxes before you put them in because they have like garbage rooms in a lot of the apartment blocks. But that is a place that you, you see the garbage, it's so notable because there are so many people and everyone's getting Amazon deliveries.

Josh: Yeah, this— and so there's boxes everywhere.

Tommy: Yeah, there's boxes flying in everywhere.

Josh: There was even like like our old place in Abbotsford where Bri and I lived, there the bin room was just disgusting. Oh, just like, because people were using, like, they were thinking that the whole room was like the bin. Yeah, like rather than that the bins go in the bin room. Yeah, they're just like, oh well, I've got hard rubbish. And when we're leaving, we asked where we put the hard rubbish and they said just put it in the bin room. Yeah, so no wonder, like, that was their system. So you just end up with mankey old— the most disgusting type of hard rubbish. Tell me if you know what it is. Guess. What's one thing on the side of the road whenever you see it's like, that's a bit filthy?

Tommy: Uh, fridge?

Josh: Old mattress.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Don't you think?

Tommy: What are they—

Josh: because what, like, no one is ever going to take an old mattress, are they? Um, even homeless?

Tommy: Dude, you'd be surprised what if you put it out, how quickly it will get taken. Just crappy old things, especially baby stuff. Like, we're not put— but even if you put out like a dirty kind of chair or something, people will come past and grab it. Yeah, I've been thinking a lot more about, um, taking stuff and selling stuff, like on the side.

Josh: Flipping shit, really.

Tommy: I got onto it. Amy and I, here's the thing, we don't live in an affluent suburb now. St Kilda's— St Kilda's or I mean, no, we lived in Bondi, okay, which is like super expensive and really lovely places. There was stuff getting— hard rubbish getting put out everywhere. And so we got in a system of taking stuff and putting it on the Bondi, the eastern suburbs, which is a very like posh areas, into Vaucluse and $20 million. Sorry, Vaucluse, Vaucluse, sorry, which is a suburb in the eastern suburbs.

Josh: Vaucluse.

Tommy: Vaucluse, unbelievable. Looking out over the harbour, crazy. You could drop $15 million on a house.

Josh: I couldn't, but yeah, Vaucluse.

Tommy: You definitely could.

Josh: What a name.

Tommy: Vaucluse, it's amazing neighbourhood anyway.

Josh: V-A-U-C-L-U-S-E. Yeah. Vaucluse. Vaucluse.

Tommy: Vaucluse.

Josh: Yeah, it sounds funny.

Tommy: You know what? It's so funny you questioning how I'm saying it. I was questioning myself whether that is right, but I'd never thought about I just read the signs for clues.

Josh: If you actually see the border of it, like where it borders, if you're looking on Google Maps, tiny, sort of, uh, looks a little bit, uh, like Tasmania.

Tommy: Oh yeah, well, it's all hilly, so that's all just like heaps of sort of really steep hill, steep, um, streets. Such a sick suburb, but that's the eastern suburbs. And so the eastern suburbs where people have a lot of money and the stuff gets thrown out is awesome.

Josh: Like what? What'd you get? 2015 iMac.

Tommy: Yeah, no, nothing like that, but awesome like vintage, vintage like fucking, what do you call it, furniture for your house, and it sells really well. So we got in a frenzy of looking for stuff that would sell really well. Those bedside tables, gone. And so it was this free listing thing on Facebook. We would be putting stuff up.

Josh: How much money do you reckon you made?

Tommy: A couple hundred bucks, which was just extra money, which was great. And it's all cash. Sorry, tax man, we've got no record of it, so fuck off.

Josh: Other than this podcast, but it'd be sort of a while to—

Tommy: Well, it's still there.

Josh: We can't even index this thing, let alone the ATO. Maybe the ATO could do transcriptions for us.

Tommy: Yeah, well, it was good. And so when, if you live in the Eastern suburbs, it is more handy than the birds.

Josh: It's great, it's great. But I think with all of this stuff, it's like with Gary Vee. I think that if, especially if you've got a job that can pay well, you should always just default to doing the job that you do and get paid well.

Tommy: Doubling down.

Josh: Doubling down on that rather than all of a sudden, 'Cause I get that, you can look at anything. I could be like, oh man, you know, like if I work night shift delivering furniture, it's actually really good money. It's a hard sell to be like, okay, well I'm just gonna do that on the side.

Tommy: So if you don't know who Gary Vee is, a guy who owns a $300 million agency.

Josh: Gary Vaynerchuk, yeah.

Tommy: Gary Vaynerchuk, VaynerMedia. He's been doing this thing, he's like, big on encouraging people to go garbage— no, no, not garbage. Uh, what does he call it? Trash Talk. That's his new series where he goes garage shopping to find—

Josh: he's not shopping for garage, it's garage sales.

Tommy: Garage sales, sorry. Garage sale shopping to find stuff that he can then flip on eBay. There's a few things that's wrong with it. I love his message of people who aren't doing shit and don't have a job, well, there's always money to be made. Yeah, well, to be actively chasing the money that could be made from, you know, the stuff that's getting sold. But there's also a fact that he's doing the bit that's the fun bit, which is the driving around. I'm sure you and I would have heaps of fun driving to garage sales.

Josh: I have a fucking Apple Watch that I'm not wearing. I could literally do that with my, like, the shit that I already have. That's the problem.

Tommy: Yeah, maybe you should encourage people to sell their own shit versus buying other and then selling.

Josh: But maybe people don't have shit. But I've got, so I'm horrendous when it comes to— I had a big thing of just buying Saturday's New York t-shirts and stuff like that, and then I went all fucking minimal, but I've still got all of that shit in a bag at the moment.

Tommy: Should we, should we do it? No, Garrett, you need a house to do a garage sale. In Bondi, they actually— all the garage sales from apartment blocks are just like people that go to the front and just have it on the nature strip out the front.

Josh: Could you— Bree did that where she went to What's the one in near Hawthorne? The big, uh, the market. Camberwell Market. She did the Camberwell Market. The suburb near Hawthorne.

Tommy: Near Camberwell?

Josh: Near Hawthorne. It's called Camberwell.

Tommy: Yeah, but it's the suburb next to it. Yeah. I love that you're the— because it's got a real brand about it, the Camberwell Market.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But you remembered it via the suburb next to it.

Josh: Well, because I drove Bree there. I've got no— I don't know, you know I don't know shit. Anyway, the, um, that's big Sunday morning, but also just pushing on price, people pushing on. I just couldn't. I don't think I'd sell anything.

Tommy: Yeah, so here's the thing. James was telling me about how he's—

Josh: Conspiracy Jimmy. Conspiracy, can we call him that? Conspiracy Jimmy's pretty funny.

Tommy: He was telling me about how his wife sold this thing and it was on eBay and— oh no, no, sorry, she sold a bunch of clothes and his point was, well, how much did you make? It was like, oh, a couple hundred bucks. And it's like, for the time that goes in and the money that you get back is where he saw the problem.

Josh: Yeah, it's like, whoa.

Tommy: So like, what's—

Josh: if you break down your hourly rate, also it's like, you bought that last week for $500. If you sell it for $200, you didn't make $200, you lost $300.

Tommy: So there's a— so Gary Vee's message of going to garage sales and buying shit is— I like it, but he's a dude whose hourly rate is probably $10,000.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so he's doing it for shits and giggles, and you can make fun, but maybe you can get too cynical about this stuff. Like, everything is important if you enjoy it on the outside of your own job.

Josh: It can be a—

Tommy: not everyone has a job that they actually love, or You know, I think everyone's talking about side hustle. Yeah, which I think it— so if you— I've thought about it, you know, maybe Amy and I could do it, sell a few things on the weekend or whatever. It actually is something for her and I, and they enjoy it. Like, so for Jimmy's wife, it's— she probably enjoys the, the hustle. Like, there is something enjoyable even if you're not getting your full hourly rate, your full Gary Vee rate.

Josh: I do like— there was something interesting about— because with the businesses you know, that we've been in with our business now, it's like we invoice, the money hits our account. There is something cool about cashies where it's like when I sold that big sound mixer and those two guys came to my place and I had sold it for $550 and they came in with $500 and then they said, "Oh, sorry, like we've only got $500." I said, "Oh, that's okay, you don't need it." I knew they'd driven an hour and they were trying to fucking rip me. So I said, oh, that's okay, you don't need to buy it. And I started walking off and then he pulls out the other 50 out of his pocket.

Tommy: I think you would enjoy the game.

Josh: I was nearly about to say, you know what, just for being a little bitch, you pay $600. I nearly did that.

Tommy: It's a— that's a power play.

Josh: It's a good power play too. Or you know what, not for sale. Yeah, just completely not for sale anymore.

Tommy: I can change my mind.

Josh: No, that's what shits me about this stuff is that they that they go hard on. So he didn't have no questions. I'm like, you know what, I said, uh, yeah, I'm happy to sell it today. Yes, I can do today because you're so easy. Yeah. He arrives there and he says, now has it got a carry case? I'm saying, well, I didn't say it has a carry case. He starts asking all these questions and then he wants to, um, which makes sense, but he didn't say it at the time. He's like, beforehand he's like, can we test this mixer out? So I'm at like the foyer of my apartment block finding a fucking communal PowerPoint to plug in my sound mixer and to show that it turned on.

Tommy: It is fair that he wants to know if it turns on.

Josh: Yeah, I guess I went to—

Tommy: I went to a front door of a, um, really nice house and the nanny answered the door and, um, she was selling for the owner the like the automatic rocker for the baby. Just whack it in, turn a button on, it just like rocks the baby back and forth. It's perfect. And she's like, oh, does it work? I said, does it work? She's not sure. And I went and turned it on and like fiddled around with it and it didn't, didn't fucking work.

Josh: So they were being dodgy.

Tommy: So some people I think do that shit. Yeah, well, you got to be vigilant. So you, you have to test this stuff before Try before you buy.

Josh: Yeah, I know someone whose car was completely broken, but it wasn't something you had to drive long kilometres before it completely broke down. So they did like a trade-in offer, got a great price for their car and got a new one. Yeah, I mean, are they fucking the car salespeople or are they fucking the next person who buys that secondhand car? Well, is that ethical?

Tommy: Yeah, it's totally not on. I don't know, I think any person who actually does that shit, you've got a bit going on. Yeah, it's a bit wrong, it's fucking wrong.

Josh: Oh, I mean, you were talking about, uh, what was it? We're thinking about getting an aircon, and maybe you joked about the landlord, like, because we do— do we pay for power? Yes, at this place. Okay, so you're having the meeting about trying to work out what the outgoings are. What do we pay a month? For power?

Tommy: It's pretty cheap, $80 or $90.

Josh: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: A month.

Josh: Do we have to pay water or anything? No.

Tommy: I've lived in plenty apartment blocks where they didn't factor the splitting of water in at the build of the building.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So it's like 30 years ago, so there was only— the landlord has to pay the, the bill. Um, so a bunch of apartments I've never paid water. There was one.

Josh: I wonder if you get caught, caught out eventually.

Tommy: Well, the place in Shepparton where I lived, and yet we had gas, never paid a gas bill.

Josh: But this is the thing, I had the case in my old office where we got a bill for, uh, we had the office for 2 years. I hadn't even— I'd transitioned to our business in this office, but we got a bill for $8,500 because the landlord had, had, uh, forgotten to send us any outgoing. So we hadn't— I thought we'd been paying for everything. I'm a little bit like, I know the details or whatever, but it's like I also don't— like, I, I care about the details, but then once they're going, I just—

Tommy: I mean, I don't know the law about someone say, I'm out of the premises and I haven't paid that gas bill. There was no gas bill that came to us, so If they can't get to us, I mean, I'm not gonna follow that up. Yeah, maybe it was a similar situation. He just pays some fee. Yeah, see, this is weird. Here's another thing I forgot to tell you. This Amy missed her flight coming home from Sydney on Monday.

Josh: You were ropeable. I was so pissed off because she didn't explain, she didn't communicate the storey very well to you, so you lost your mind.

Tommy: I'm triggered because I think about how much, you know, when you love someone and their fuck-up and the what it will feel like for them is transferred to you, or you take their feelings on as well.

Josh: Absolutely.

Tommy: And so I do that with Amy with anything because I'm going, she's with Bodhi, it's like the money we're gonna have to pay, and I'm feeling, oh, and she led with, I've missed my flight, and I'm thinking, oh, I was like, fucking hell, how much is this gonna cost? She forgot to say they'd booked me on another one and I'm coming on the 2 o'clock one, which was—

Josh: But that was after you didn't just say it, there was a slight blow up for a couple of seconds and then you had to be like, oh well, like that's good. Then you relax and you're like, okay, well that's all good. I wish you sort of led with that.

Tommy: Yeah, and the reason I wanna bring this up, 'cause I haven't followed it up and it's taking a bit in me to stop, stop myself from doing it. The first thing I said was, give me the fucking number of the transport business.

Josh: Yeah, well, because she was getting a transfer.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: And so she'd ask the transfer company, what time do I need to leave?

Tommy: I think they asked her, what time's your flight? Yep, no problem, 1 o'clock. Yep, we'll pick you up at 11, we'll get you there. And so it was on them asking her the time of when the transfer is going to happen because it's door-to-door service.

Josh: You're ready to contact the— do you reckon the transfer people on a side note, would be able to cover that sort of thing?

Tommy: No, well, so it was a $160 transfer. That's how much it cost.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: So, 'cause she's—

Josh: 'Cause of the pram.

Tommy: An hour and a, she's about an hour and 15 minutes away from the airport. And Uber was $145, but the Uber didn't have a baby seat and she had Bodhi. So the transfer was just a bit extra, but it was still a door.

Josh: That would cost more than flight. Flights to— from—

Tommy: like, I said the last time we're doing that. Yeah, that's another bloody story. Yeah, but I was— the only reason why I haven't is because I haven't contacted the, this transfer company and said, bullshit, give me money, my money back. You made— yeah, your service made her miss her flight. Yeah, um, is because we didn't have to pay and they put her onto another flight. But would have you— if you— if Bree missed it, yeah, If Bri missed her flight, the same situation, would you email this company and say, last time we're ever going with you, we wanna refund you?

Josh: Yeah, I think Bri would be all over that and just be like—

Tommy: Is this fair?

Josh: Yeah, we had something probably similar in some regards was we paid for this whole tour in Pompeii and then there was a storm so they just didn't go to one of the bits of like the whole tour.

Tommy: 10% minimum, you want off.

Josh: Yeah, and so then we're like, well, can we get that bit of it off. And so they end up giving you like the entry fee of what we paid, which was like a real minimal amount.

Tommy: But one of my thought processes, which I shut down, was, I guess it's extortion. We want a refund or we're leaving a really bad review about your service, which was a tactic I shut down. It could work. I mean, I was thinking about businesses and owning one, and if people actually do this, like people doing this to us would be really annoying.

Josh: Well, yeah, luckily that we're B2B. Jake, I was— we've got my brother Jake here. I was referencing the guitar. He's got a guitar. I'd suggested to Jake that I'd finish the show playing him playing a song and me playing it out. But we didn't actually, he didn't rehearse at all. So we can give it a go, but Jake's just getting the guitar. But I think the difference is it's B2B. I think it would be a lot more sort of a bit weirder if it was a business writing something negative about us.

Tommy: Does that happen?

Josh: How often do businesses, when would big media company write about a, another company and say, I'm not happy.

Tommy: Yeah, it would seem funny. I think, yeah, the, the kooks come out when it's business to consumer, consumer to business. And so, yeah, people are just— it's so, so true.

Josh: So talking about the, the kooks, uh, coming out, so we'd mentioned, uh, on the episode with Josh Pittiman that, uh, what ended, uh, my, uh music career with my brother Jake. We had a band. Do you remember what the band was called?

Tommy: Um, no, I don't. But the fact you're no good wasn't the reason.

Josh: Jake and the Fat Man.

Tommy: Jake and the Fat Man was the name.

Josh: And so, uh, you know, we— I remember having a big blow-up because I think I wanted to do, uh, Missy Higgins' Scar, and I don't think maybe Jake wasn't a fan of playing it. What was the reason, Jake? I just didn't like it. I was, yeah, I think I was a bit edgy at the time, so I didn't, I just wanted to play edgy stuff. He was playing a lot of Offspring and stuff like that. Blink-182. No Korn. But so TJ, can you put the microphone? Is this taking this out? Jake's guitar. This is going to end the show. It's The Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. But we are going to perform the song that we've been wanting to perform for a very long time. This has been probably, what, 15 years in the making. This is, uh, Scar by Missy Higgins, performed by one of her big fans, Josh Janson, and his brother Jake. It's Jake and the Fat Man. It's a daily talk show.

Tommy: Yeah, I had no part in this.

Josh: Neither did I. Okay guys, get your hands up in the air, let's do it. It's a daily talk show talking you out with this song. He left a card, a bar of soap, and a scrubbing brush next to a note that said, "Use these down to your bones." Come on! Yeah, come on, Mason! And before I knew, I had shiny skin, and it felt easy being clean like him. I thought, "This one knows better than I do." Surprised you know the words. A triangle trying to squeeze through a circle. He tried to cut me so I'd fit. And doesn't that sound familiar? Doesn't that hit too close to home? Doesn't it feel peculiar the way things could have gone? And there we go, everyone, it's the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: Just a thought. Yeah, like, the guitarist really doesn't get enough credit. The man, the person who actually makes the noise is the singer. The real person with the talent here is your brother.

Josh: What about— I remembered most of the lyrics.

Tommy: That was impressive. Side note, Missy Higgins recently met the Princess of Cambridge.

Josh: Yeah, and actually Derek on What Now? With Derek, listen to that podcast. He's in the also, people also listen to on our iTunes page. But Derek actually is, his co-host is Dan Lee, who's married to Missy Higgins.

Tommy: Yeah. Does that excite you because you are a Missy fan?

Josh: Yeah, it's a big deal.

Tommy: She's got a big concert. She's— she, I think, is with John Butler Trio. They're doing My Music Bowl.

Josh: Lovely.

Tommy: We should go and sit on the grass.

Josh: That would be— oh, I love that. Next year I'd probably get a bit itchy. We'll need to take a couple of antihistamines, but we'll make that work. It's a Daily Talk Show. Uh, thanks for listening. And our first copyrighted— I, I said to Jake, maybe we do a bit of a parody so it doesn't sort of infringe. Well, there's definitely parody vibes with your tone and your voice. So, have a good one.