Three Bedwetters

Tommy: Wait a minute! Frostface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 204. Happy Friday!

Tommy: Yeah, Friday fun, right? Well, not really that fun because I brought out the recording device and said, Josh, we need to do this now. I have to go pick up Bodhi.

Josh: Well, it was very unlike you. Well, you took a pause before you said that. 'Cause I was like, Tommy had just lectured me yesterday about, I can't do the show at the beginning of the day because it just fucks me up for the rest of the day, like a little snowflake.

Tommy: No, Bodhi's got what they think is hand, foot, and mouth disease. How full on does that sound?

Josh: It does sound full on. Sounds like a mad cow disease.

Tommy: Oh, that was full on. That was scary for a while. I was, yeah, that was more in England.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So hand, foot, mouth. He's had these little spots on his mouth. They look like pimples. He just looked like he had a breakout.

Josh: I'm sure that's not what I had. Yours is gone.

Tommy: Nah, Mason, we've got Mason here. Say hello.

Mason: Sup, how you going?

Josh: Yeah, so we talked about Mason yesterday. Yeah. So we decided that we would get the third microphone out. So when there's moments that we need clarity on things or we just need a third opinion, Mason's our guy.

Mason: No, it's only for infants and children younger than 5.

Josh: Okay, perfect.

Mason: Sorry, Josh.

Josh: This is great. This is like serious.

Tommy: I feel like I've got an extension of my brain. I feel smarter for having Mason on the mic.

Josh: Mason, what was your interscore? What did you get? Do you call it an interscore?

Tommy: ATAR.

Josh: An ATAR, yeah.

Mason: Yeah, '97.

Josh: '97.

Tommy: '97, but he still doesn't know that you have to talk into the mic and not look at you while you—

Mason: Yeah, whoops.

Josh: '97 is what he said.

Mason: That's full on.

Tommy: I got zero 'cause I didn't do it.

Josh: You got 46?

Tommy: 46.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So between the three of us, it's an average of something that's okay.

Josh: We're doing pretty good.

Tommy: We all passed. Yeah, so that's the rest of my day. I'm sorry, but I've gotta leave. This is the thing I've been saying. We went to America and we spoke to Brad Blanks who told us that, you know, most people need to be earning around $150 grand to live over there, which means the more, and I always think about it like this, the more money you earn, the more responsibility.

Josh: More money, more problems? Are you okay?

Tommy: More money, the more responsibility your job will entail. The more trust they put in you, the more, not hours, but the more you have to service them because they are the person paying you. So when you have two full-time parents, what the fuck do you do? Like I'm lucky that I can leave and do some work from home.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And Amy has to, and Amy's at work. But what do you do when you're two corporate high-flyers? I guess you've got nannies and shit.

Josh: Yeah, I guess even I think Brad was saying they had, Nannies.

Tommy: Nannies are massively popular in America. They're cheaper.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: They're cheaper over there. So it's a service job. So they're getting probably a small amount. But what do you do when this is the case?

Josh: I think you're probably right. Were you saying that you think that Bodhi got it from daycare?

Tommy: Oh yeah. That was my first, you heard me blaming, someone's given it to him.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. I think it's the transfer company from the airport.

Tommy: Hang on, how do you get her? So you have to catch it from somewhere.

Josh: Can I just say that Mason did like a real silent chuckle then to himself? Can I just encourage Mason that if you're gonna laugh at one of my jokes, just laugh.

Tommy: Mate, you spent yesterday pulling people up about them not laughing at what you were, that was funny, right? I was like, the reaction they gave you was actually the response that you didn't need the, sometimes people don't laugh.

Josh: People are like, "Ha ha, yeah," or "Yeah." But this is the, what I'm encouraging Mason to do at this moment is, If we say anything funny, a little bit like Cackling Jack.

Mason: There's a big laugh in the background.

Josh: Big laugh, a big cackle. Okay, go on, what were you saying?

Tommy: I can't remember, but yeah, so my dad—

Josh: So you're blaming the childcare?

Tommy: Well, someone at the childcare you think would have to have it.

Mason: Oh, it's, it's, oh, it comes through, it's transmitted through feces, so. I wash hands, so.

Tommy: There's a lot of shit flying around at daycares. It's full on. Oh my God. I read something yesterday that they were doing a test on people's stools.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And they found that the majority of stools had plastic pieces within them, like plastic particles.

Josh: Was this— I also read an article about salt. Did you hit like half it? Like there was a huge amount of actual salt that is just like filler plastic.

Tommy: Oh, okay. So the— so what, hang on, in a salt shaker?

Josh: Yeah, if you buy salt, you're buying a plastic, like half— like there might be a little bit. Maybe it's the old Coles bags, I don't know.

Tommy: But, um, okay, I'm going to tell you a funny storey just on the salt. This has nothing to do with plastic, but it's a good time to tell this.

Josh: Is it a prank?

Tommy: No, no, no.

Josh: A lot of salt pranks.

Tommy: You know, you can almost think this story, the person was doing a prank and there was gonna be this moment where it's like, "I'm just kidding." So Amy used to live in a share house up in Sydney and I hope her housemates not listening to this.

Josh: So was it one housemate?

Tommy: No, there was 3 of them in there. Amy had the best room. I lived there for a little bit when I moved up to Sydney before.

Josh: What made it the best room?

Tommy: It was on the street, big window. You could, you know, like lots of light coming in. Yeah, so it was just a nicer, you know, it's like there's always one primo room that one housemate gets that pays a little bit more and she had it. So it was sick. But anyway, one of her other housemates kept using Amy's Himalayan rock salt on her dinner. 'Cause Amy buys the primo shit, the pink one in the grinder.

Josh: And so wouldn't salt just, but would you think that salt is, the communal, that would count as communal?

Tommy: Share house, you've never lived in a share house? Dude, share houses, you've got your own cupboard.

Josh: Sure, you're kidding me, isn't the share house the idea that you're, well everyone's got their own lounge room as well?

Tommy: Section, section, so in say like your old apartment in Abbotsford, you've got the corner cupboard, that's my area, you've got the far right, that's where you keep your shit, and mine's over here. And of course it's like, if you're friends, it's, "Hey, do you mind if I use this?" And so it was a case of Amy's very generous and I'm sure the salt, you know, she didn't give a shit. Her friend was using the salt, Himalayan rock salt. I'll say that again, they're not even a sponsor, but she was using it so much that it went really quickly. And so when two people are using it, it went like there was two people using it.

Josh: But even if you were using salt a lot, I feel like you'd still get like what out of a normal salt sort of grinder, a month?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe the other housemate was using it, that's why it went quick. But anyway, this housemate said, "Oh, look, I've been using your salt, I'm gonna go get another one for us." I hope it was Himalayan salt. It was white table salt.

Josh: You can't do that. Thank you, mate, that was good. Mason did his first laugh, knowing that it came from something Tommy said, but that's all right.

Tommy: This is gonna be a, A competition of who can make Mason laugh. Is that the show?

Josh: Yeah, potentially. Okay, and so did Amy say anything or?

Tommy: No, she didn't. I don't think she addressed it.

Josh: Did she even— I would in that moment just buy new salt. I would. My own and just start using it and it would sort of send— was it in— I can imagine what it's like. It's almost like the big, the real big thing of table salt that's in like the no Brand. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. With like the red, like just says salt on it.

Tommy: Yeah, the red, the red, um, opener and you just twist that. Oh, it's just—

Josh: you don't even crunch it, you don't even— it's already crunched up.

Tommy: It's what you use when you have an ulcer and you put it in water to rinse your mouth out. That's when that shit is great. I don't even know when you'd want to use that. Maybe at a fish and chip shop. Yeah, when they are doing the $2 worth of chips. But even like, that's old school. Now it's like most places are using Himalayan rock salt. But Josh, people start taking stuff to their room. I had one housemate who would take the peanut butter and what else? It was some other spread. They'd take it back to their room because they didn't want us using it.

Mason: I'd do that.

Josh: You would?

Mason: I'd take the peanut butter.

Josh: I think I would do the same thing. I did it with like, I feel like when I had a, co-working space, my AeroPress, I got like a coffee thing and I just don't like, like I like if I use something, I'll clean it up, I'll put it away. And so like one of our mates is making like a coffee, an all-in-one coffee maker. And what I was saying to him is what I like about it is that the design is that you can sort of take it back to your desk so you don't keep it in the communal kitchen where people are gonna fuck it.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: I couldn't do community.

Tommy: I'd love to see you in a big share house. I reckon you'd get real snarky. Like you'd start keeping track. Not because, no, see the thing is—

Josh: You don't start off doing that. No, no, no way. It's like, you know what guys, it's all good. I'll have, like, I've got the TV, Netflix, everyone use that all you want.

Tommy: It's really hard.

Josh: And then there'll be some sort of blowup.

Tommy: It's really hard.

Josh: I don't know when the blow-up would happen.

Tommy: I've had bad share houses, not really bad, but just ones, yeah, because they're not your loved ones, because it's hard having honest conversations, it's like all the time. And sometimes you let shit slide and people cleaning. It is like, I was listening to someone talk about her living with 3 guys And she's the only one that cleans. And her thing was like, they don't even realize.

Josh: But there's some cases where it's just a matter of taste. So for instance, Bree and I are going, we're house sitting in Richmond again, starting today. And so—

Tommy: It's today?

Josh: Yeah, it starts today. It's great, isn't it?

Tommy: So you've got the key?

Josh: Yeah, Bree does. So we had to bring a bag obviously with us to be able to go and stay there. And we've been at my parents' place for the last week. And so Bree was getting all of her stuff ready last night and she fronts foots it because she knows that I was planning on doing it in the morning. And we have to leave home at 5:30 in the morning to be able to get to her F-45. And yeah, so we had an argument about that, about the idea that she was saying I should be doing it now in the evening so I don't have to do it in the morning. And my point is, if I get up at 5, I can quickly pack it. 'Cause the thing is, I'm gonna need my toilet. I'm still gonna need my toiletries. I'm still gonna need clothes. I've been living out of a bag for the past 4 months. It's not gonna take me that long.

Tommy: I observed you at night and I observed you in the morning when we were away just for a short time. I reckon for you, the morning's probably the better option. You turn to shit at night.

Josh: Well, I just can't be, I just wanna get, it's my bedtime. I literally, I worked out that the first night that I was at my parents' place, I was so tired. I went to bed and I sort of tucked myself in real early. And then Bree had just said, "Oh, I'm having a magnesium tablet. Do you want one?" And said, "Yeah, I'll have one." And I had the magnesium tablet and I was listening to Howard Stern or whatever, like the SiriusXM app. And I was just sort of in bed and I fell asleep. It would've been before 8 o'clock and I woke up in the middle of the night, it was dark. I'm like, I can't remember. You know that feeling of like when you're a kid and you fall asleep somewhere and you wake up somewhere else? It was sort of, I had that feeling.

Tommy: It's more of an adult feeling when I've drank too much. And I've had that.

Josh: 2 laughs, all right. I'm about to show you.

Tommy: 3 laughs. I'll give you that laugh.

Josh: Okay, thank you.

Tommy: But it was— Yeah, 'cause you rode off the back of my laugh.

Josh: I'm just lobbing the ball up. That's why I'm just the ball lubber. And we need to get to Mason's nickname in a sec. But the, what the fuck was I just talking about?

Tommy: The magnesium.

Josh: Magnesium. Wake you up. Yeah, so I worked out that I was like, oh, this is a routine that I think would work quite well. So for the past 5 nights, I've done the same. Like I've said, asked Bree, I've tucked myself in and said, Bree, can you please get me the magnesium?

Tommy: So you're thinking the magnesium tablet?

Josh: Yeah, well I think the whole process, I don't know which part was. I don't know, there's something really comforting about someone bringing something. It's like when I was a kid, I'd be like, "Mom, mom, mom." She's like, "Yes?" I'm like, "Can I have some water, please?" Like, I would never drink water throughout the day. I would only have like one glass. I'd be, you know, like when you're a kid, you're real thirsty, like drinking water real quick because you feel like you're about to die because you've forgotten to drink water all day. And so yeah, I'd gotten into the habit in the past week of tucking myself in at about 8:30, 9 o'clock and Bree will bring in the magnesium and I'll have it and I'll have the best sleep.

Tommy: I wanna know though, do you think the magnesium is something to do with sleep?

Josh: Well, the magnesium relaxes you. Does it? Yeah.

Tommy: Can you look this up?

Mason: Is that all it's for or are you muscle cramps or something?

Josh: Yeah, well, yeah, like I've always, I'm sore all the time.

Tommy: Mason just trolled you, all the working out.

Josh: I didn't know, I took it seriously, I walk a lot. Recovery, you're activating recovery. No, I think the magnesium definitely does something. What does it say, Mason?

Mason: Helps regulate sleep quality, helps you get to sleep, plays a big part in helping you achieve deep and restful sleep.

Josh: There you go. I was actually telling my mom's boss, I went and visited her at work the other day and he—

Tommy: Went to do a keynote.

Josh: You're so good. Yeah, just doing a little prezo.

Tommy: Unpaid prezo keynote motivational.

Josh: Well, I told a story, get ready for another Google in a second, Mason, because I told a storey about how he had just bought magnesium and then we got onto whether we took magnesium and I told the storey that one time I took 3 magnesiums. What do you think would happen if you took 3 magnesiums?

Tommy: Nothing.

Josh: I was woken up by a boner, like my boner, right? So, and so I was trying to work out, so if, Mason, if you can type in magnesium erection.

Mason: Oh, okay.

Josh: Okay, this is authorized.

Tommy: But curating your Google searches.

Josh: No, but the magnet—

Mason: so erectile dysfunction.

Josh: No, no, just type in magnesium erection. So what the— what it turns out, what I found anyway, was that an erection is actually the relaxation of the penis muscle.

Tommy: Relaxation of them?

Josh: Yeah, so it's not like it's tightening up, like you need to be relaxed, you're actually relaxing that muscle to get it erect. And so what magnesium can do, I see Mason's really struggling with this Google.

Mason: No, it helps treat erectile dysfunction.

Tommy: Magnesium does?

Josh: Yeah, so it, I think it because it maybe helps regulate blood flow. Okay. It relaxes you. I had taken so many that I literally had woken up with sort of like, just like, like fucking hitting me in the mattress. Like just sort of like, yeah, pitch tent. I woke up middle of the night. It was crazy. I'd never experienced anything like that before. It woke me up and Bree.

Tommy: Well, maybe I had—

Josh: Thanks, Mason. Maybe the storey that my brother told of me having to get the water Yeah, you had to be hosed down when you were a kid because you were uncomfortable.

Tommy: My erection wouldn't go down. Yeah, I remember the— I remember those kind of things happening, but maybe as a kid I had a really great supply of magnesium coming from somewhere.

Josh: Well, maybe it's not just blood flow.

Tommy: I reckon it's just testosterone as well.

Josh: You reckon you were like 11 years old, just—

Tommy: Bodhi's already getting— he woke up this morning with a little boner, just like his dad. I actually did too, but I needed to go to the toilet, so I don't know the difference. I'm scared when my son has one because it's like it could be a sign he's about to just projectile piss, which is what you do.

Josh: When you piss, it shoots.

Tommy: So yeah, you have to tuck it down under the nappy.

Josh: This is the second time we've talked about Bodhi's penis on the show. It becomes a big part of your life.

Tommy: No, but he laughs as well. He grabs it and he just thinks it's hilarious. He's really into watching me pisses well. And he's like waiting for it.

Josh: Did you ever, when I was younger, when we'd like go to, when we're going to bed or whatever at night and we all needed to piss before we went to bed, especially 'cause I used to wet the bed when I was young. So it was always like, but it never helped pissing before the bed, whatever reason, I'd still piss the bed.

Tommy: Well, it's yeah. It's got nothing to do with it. Because when you're awake, when you need to pee, you know the sense is there and you you actually go and take a piss. I pissed the bed until I was like 6 or something, pretty late, 7. You were later?

Josh: Oh yeah, yeah. I remember being like, I think probably grade 6 at least. So I was 11. Yeah, I remember like getting a little bit nervous about high school and starting to have to do like—

Tommy: Really?

Josh: Go to, yeah, I was a bedwetter.

Mason: My mom had to buy an alarm to wake me up in the night She was telling me the other day, you put sensors in the nappy and then it sends an alarm when it detects.

Josh: Well, I was so old that I would get the pulse.

Mason: I was 6. You were 6?

Tommy: I had underneath my bed sheets, I was in a bunk bed and mum got this thing that had an alarm as well. And it was a mat that went underneath the sheet that when I started and it felt moisture, it would go off and—

Josh: Mine was less intense than that. Like we just had like, we just replaced it with like rubber sheets.

Tommy: I was just like sleeping on like the plastic.

Josh: Horrendous.

Tommy: Feels like you're at school camp and the mattress is actually just got packed together.

Josh: Oh, school camp was a disaster. Like I never pissed the bed. I've gotta work out the exact timelines, but I definitely remember, you know, wearing pull-ups. And I think this was, you know that you're like when there's sizing issues with the pull-ups, like you can't find them big enough.

Tommy: When they become adult nappies.

Mason: Adult nappies.

Josh: I don't think I ever got to that, but I definitely remember the fear of having to go to people's houses.

Tommy: My mum says that I came to her at— because I remember we went to like different specialists to help me try and kick this thing. And she thinks that— she tells me the storey that I came to her and said, "It's now time for me to stop." And I stopped.

Josh: Oh, that's good. So it's all psychological. You just had to say either I was doing it on purpose.

Tommy: Yeah, but yeah, no, I had to stop.

Josh: I decided to stop and that's all it took. Yeah, that would have been nice. Yeah, I feel like, um, I was, I was a little bit old, but that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. No, no judgment. Now if you're listening to this podcast and you're still wet in the bed, maybe you've got an alarm. You could think there'd be good iPhone apps and stuff. That sort out that sort of shit now. Like the bed wet, oh, like how many days in a row you haven't pissed the bed is a good one. Hey, on social, I teased this on the weekend about the fact that we received a follow from someone on Instagram.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: And I did a tease that I would talk about it on the show.

Tommy: Yeah, no better time than the following, nearly the following weekend.

Josh: Yeah, well, I felt like I need to at least get it out there. No, so there was this, there's this guy, I'm trying to pull up his name. I think his name's Steven. Do you reckon it's defamatory if I'm talking, if I give his full name?

Tommy: No, I think the, the, he outed himself at a certain action. Yeah. So I just say his first name.

Josh: Yeah, I think his name's Steven. Anyway, he's a, he, if you go into his bio, it's like a 5-time Walkley Award winner. So he's this, a journalist, Walkley Awards, like journalistic excellence or whatever the fuck it is. Anyway, about a year and a half ago, I received a follow from this guy. He works for Channel 7. I think it's the Sunday Show. Might as well just fucking really throw it in. That's what Sunday's by.

Tommy: Diving the knife in, twisting currently.

Josh: And so I got a follow from him. I was like, oh, that's cool. Like I'm on this, you know, when someone follows you're like, oh, I'm on someone's radar and you sort of click through. It's like, then you start to analyze, I wonder why they started following. Like where would they have found me through? Anyway, I started following him and then I just felt like, I think he may have liked one of my posts, which is a telltale sign that potentially there's some sort of bot going on, you know, that they're using some sort of mechanism, especially if there's a couple of, if you get a follow and then a couple of likes afterwards, definitely using a bot.

Tommy: And definitely use a bot when they say great pic and it's on your video.

Josh: Exactly. But there are people who genuinely act like a bot, but they're not a bot. Example, Peter Hitchener. He's the biggest supporter. He'll go through and like 10 of your things one after the other, but he's just a fucking lovely dude. That's the difference. But no, so this journalist a year and a half ago followed me. I started following him. I just kept a tab of him. And then maybe a week later, I went into his following and typed in my name. And it was gone. So the fucker had followed me, liked a couple of my things, got me to follow him, and then unfollowed me. And so I unfollowed him and we just sort of let it go. Yeah. Anyway, in the last few months, he followed me again on my Josh Janson account and did the same thing, liked a couple of things, then unfollowed. And then he's done it to the Daily Talk Show as well. Before he did it to the Daily Talk Show, I reached out to him on Instagram DMs and said, hey, are you using a bot or something? Because I'm getting followed and unfollowed. And he didn't, I think he saw it, but he didn't respond at all.

Tommy: Okay, and so you're a follower of his?

Josh: No, I never, once I worked out what he was doing, but then I look and there's all these people. I think that you even follow him. Really? So you've fallen for the trap. And so he's got like 80,000 followers and it's all this bullshit.

Mason: Follow for follow. Yeah.

Tommy: What do we—

Josh: do we think this is okay?

Tommy: Um, I've used one of those things. So the— a lot of those platforms have been shut down. What is it, the IP—

Josh: the API?

Tommy: API. So they— because they mount through your login into Instagram through their platform. And then you can set it for all these different ones. Instagress was one that you can set it to people who follow people who are friends with Josh Janson. So I would then just start following all your friends, which people would probably follow me back 'cause they know me through you. So, but then there's the one step further of unfollow if they don't follow you back. And so, yeah, so once they follow you, you then unfollow them. So you drive your counter. So here's the thing, I didn't pay for it. I was like, years ago, um, ran it on my account. It annoyed me so much because there was so much bullshit in my feed of all these people that I'd started following. I didn't do the unfollow thing, I just like, follow a bunch of these people. And I've only recently, and this is why I know about it, I've gone through and started culling in my follows.

Josh: All the people that you—

Tommy: But no, what I found was if you swipe, because in Instagram it actually has in like, um, the order of when you followed them, so you can see when you were following someone. And so I found these like sporadic groups of these random YouTubers that I was following, and so I unfollowed them. It is gross. Like, I— now, nowadays it is such a horrible— I mean, as a journalist It's like, isn't it a weird thing to—

Josh: he's got 81,000 followers or whatever, he follows 4,000. I just think that integrity-wise it doesn't look good at all.

Mason: You—

Tommy: I mean, that would be to assume that journalists have integrity.

Josh: Well, I think they do. Like, I do. I think that like with the, with the fucking war on journalism at the moment, I think that journalists are— I respect them. I think they're so important. It's what like we need some way or ethics to be able to run how we do communicate, how we communicate things within the world. And, but I think that this looks fucking bad when you've got this dude who's following and unfollowing. And then, so I did this Insta storey where I screen grabbed because I was just sitting back and I get this follow. I'm like, this fucker has, has started following me, I know who this is. And then I click on it and straight away 2 likes. And so I screen grabbed it and I did an Insta storey on the Daily Talk Show. And I said, this week we're gonna talk about people using bots and I tagged him. And then he has since blocked the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: That is so good. Well, you put up a photo.

Josh: So it was an Insta story, yeah.

Tommy: Another photo though. So anytime you put anything up that's in LA or New York, it's amazing. So many people have the filter of, if you tag this in location, if you tag New York, if you tag New York, you need to. When you posted a photo of us doing episode 200 at LA, just near In-N-Out LAX, this guy Zach wrote, Josh, lovely Insta. Look at Insta to go, look at this account to go LA viral. It's like he's— but that's even taking your name, which is interesting.

Josh: Yeah, well, obviously sophisticated, but so I think that have a look at your— like, I think people should, uh, if you are on Instagram, have a look and see if you've got a guy named Steven who you follow.

Tommy: Well, let me just cheque now. I might have unfollowed him in my unfollow.

Josh: S-T-E-V-E. Oh, sorry, Steve. S-T-E-V-E, yeah. So if you just look at that, and it's a guy, he's wearing like a navy t-shirt, he's got a smile on. Oh yeah, beard. Yeah, yeah, he's got a blue tick, so he's verified.

Tommy: He's verified.

Josh: So it's one of the faces of Channel 7 Sunday night, 5-time Walkley Award winner, Sydney-based when I'm not on the road.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: So he's got 86.8 80,000 people who follows him and he follows 4,700. But I just don't think we should be encouraged. It seems like the antisocial of social media.

Tommy: Well, it also like what, this is what I look at some people who have heaps of followers, like 80,000 is a lot. And I think, what do they follow him for? I look at that, I don't know what I get out of that content.

Josh: Well, you probably—

Tommy: It's old TV.

Josh: Following him.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I'm not following him. I might have unfollowed him.

Josh: So, but I think that probably—

Tommy: unless my bot's still active from—

Josh: I mean, someone— if someone follows you and you would naturally click through and follow them, but I just think it's gross. Yeah, I don't think you should do it.

Tommy: No, I, I agree. I think though that bot stuff is ridiculous now. It is the— you're trying to gain attention through something I think it's the goals are in the wrong order, right? People are wanting followers before they want to do something great.

Josh: It's so narcissistic. And it's an extension of the other trend that's happening at the moment, which I'm not sure on, is people are saying, "I'm over social media. I can't do social media anymore. It's making, you know, it's giving me anxiety or whatever." Fair enough. It's given everyone anxiety, mate. But The thing that is interesting is that they're saying, they'll do a post and they say, "Hey guys, I've decided I'm changing things up and I've unfollowed everyone on my Instagram." Have you seen this trend? I've had 3 or 4 people I have seen do it.

Tommy: So they follow zero people, which means they would have nothing in their Insta feed.

Josh: Yeah, so they zero people they follow.

Tommy: So it's only, yeah, so okay. But then their intention is just to create. But with—

Josh: so then those— so they're expecting me to follow them because these fucking narcissists think they've got something to say? No, fuck them. Yeah, you can't do that. You can't. Like, isn't that showing your narcissistic cards?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, even Eminem has none. He has no followers, and he's following no one and has 20 million followers. It's, um, But if we, okay, if we play devil's advocate in the space of being a creative, if you're just trying to get, if you just wanna be famous, that's, you're like, I think that's a dying slope, right? But if you are a creative or a video person or—

Josh: Who needs to share something.

Tommy: A photographer that has, so you're in this game of trying to build up an audience to do the thing that you love doing. It helps that, like you're trying to do—

Josh: To me it's the equivalent of announcing that you're quitting sugar, but you own the biggest lolly shop, right? So you're happy for everyone else to consume your content, but you don't think that it's okay mentally for you, but you're happy to feed that beast.

Tommy: It's a massive status move, like it is, or an ego, play to go, yeah, I think, yeah, it's not on.

Josh: And then the classic thing, this has happened basically every time this has happened, they'll post 3 days after they do, they've unfollowed everyone, they'll do an Insta storey saying, OMG, so much drama from unfollowing everyone. I didn't realise everyone cared so much.

Tommy: Content creator.

Josh: And so like, yeah, it's driving me crazy.

Tommy: So all these things at some point worked And that's why people still think they should do it?

Josh: Well, it's broadcast, right? It's like, it's probably treating it more like a TV show, which is like TV is you do your thing and no one can tell you, you know, you're not following anyone back. It's a broadcast medium. And I like it. Like there's something nice about broadcast medium. I don't know.

Tommy: Would you delete or would you get rid of all your followers and then start again?

Josh: Would I block all?

Tommy: No, no, just unfollow everybody and then start it again. So you then—

Josh: Oh, so Is that a Wang follow? People and then only follow. I even struggled with unfollowing people because I've done a few culls over the years where it's like I followed 1,200 people, I brought it down to 700. But then yeah, I've definitely— I've had moments of like, if I unfollow— like, I've unfollowed people and then thought, actually, I like their stuff, but I feel a bit weird now refollowing. Because one of my favourite things is when someone has unfriended me on Facebook. Yeah. And they've come crying back like a little baby with a—

Tommy: So Mason, you have an Insta account. Do you have any photos on it? Nah. Mason, zero.

Mason: Yeah, I sort of got rid of them at the start of this year.

Tommy: He's done the opposite. I won't get rid of my follows.

Josh: Content. It makes it—

Tommy: I'll get rid of the content.

Mason: It's the ultimate rebrand.

Josh: Yeah, well, you're 18, right? And so if you think about the shit that, like it wasn't, when you were, when you started Instagramming, you were also wetting the bed. So it's just like, you're not the pull-up guy anymore. You need to, I get, but that's the thing. I had Facebook when I was still in high school, Instagram when I was in high school. If you scroll right back to the start, It was like the dumbest, dumbest posts. Actually, maybe Facebook was definitely high school. Instagram, I wonder, I have to have a look.

Tommy: There is ways of— I've seen a few big celebrities do it, I don't know how, but they've removed all their content.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then it goes back up.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, well, they're unarchiving.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah, so you can archive button. Yeah. So maybe Mason had a full feed and he's archived that.

Josh: Have you just archived?

Mason: No, I actually went through and deleted them.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: What was there?

Josh: Anything really offensive on there or?

Mason: No, it was—

Josh: Can we just comment on Mason's mic technique? What an absolute cowboy, just like 10 metres away.

Tommy: I appreciate him trying to engage in you. He's locking eyes, talking to Josh, so his mic technique's rubbish when he tries to lock on.

Josh: Now this is Josh.

Mason: I've got to adjust the mic.

Josh: Yeah, there we go. But Mason's the only one with the stand. Yeah, go on. So, so yeah, what sort of content did you have on that? You with like your school uniform?

Mason: Uh, no, I actually don't think there was No, it was sort of just like photos with friends and that sort of thing.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: I mean, we've got a puppy as well, so she was on there.

Tommy: Just, I don't know, try that angle to get some followers. Yeah.

Josh: How many followers have you got on Instagram?

Mason: I would say maybe like 300.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: Yeah.

Tommy: Which they're not there for the content.

Josh: Yeah, 100%.

Tommy: They're actually friends of his.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: It makes sense.

Tommy: How many friends do you actually think How many friends do you have, Mason?

Josh: In real life?

Mason: In real life. It's cut down a lot. A lot. Just after finishing school, it's sort of, I would say my friendship group's probably 5 to 7 people.

Tommy: He's got his close-knit circle of 5.

Josh: I think if I think about who are in there, if I've actually, 100% we are. If I think about how many people I've actually caught up with since I've been back, no one.

Tommy: Isn't that funny?

Josh: Yeah, literally, like, I haven't— Bree's phone lights up a bit more than mine. Yeah, I've had— yeah, on one hand I can count how many conversations I've had, but I like it. Like, I—

Tommy: because you're not wanting to be, guys, I'm back. Yeah, so what I've actually found with social media is that, um, because I've been posting content from stuff from being overseas, I feel like there was a time that we posted the episode but there were the last episode in America, which was episode 200, and there was like the last kind of photo, I felt like people probably didn't think I was actually back.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: 'Cause it's like, what's in your peripheral? People aren't focused. They don't really give a shit about me.

Josh: People forget about you very quickly.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. As much as they're friends, they're just like, "Oh, he's not back yet." And so they're like, "Oh, I thought you were away." I saw someone drive, I was driving, saw Hayden, Hayden Wilson, and I was like, tooted the horn and he's like, I thought you were away. Yeah, don't listen to Instagram. I just hadn't run it. I didn't wanna confuse people. Isn't that fucked? My thinking is don't confuse people for posting photos back here because—

Josh: I think I told you to do that.

Tommy: Did you?

Josh: That was probably a brand strategy. Didn't wanna confuse. 'Cause we did have a couple that we had prerecorded, which we, at the moment, we are just doing every day. But there are moments like when people, when we were away, all of those guest interviews were, Pre-records.

Tommy: Well, yeah, because they weren't on the— we didn't record and release on the same day.

Josh: Exactly. Uh, nickname for Mason.

Tommy: Yeah, so, uh, Mason came into my life when he dumped me a message, uh, an inbox slid into my emails.

Josh: How did you find Tommy? How did this happen? Through me. Okay, now, classic.

Tommy: First time I've heard of that.

Josh: So how did that happen?

Mason: Oh yeah, so I was sort of looking for, um, a few mentors and I wanted one in digital marketing, sort of one in content creation. And yeah, so I went through Video Production Melbourne and came across Josh.

Josh: The fucking SEO.

Tommy: Look at the smirk on Josh.

Mason: He's so happy with himself.

Josh: Yeah, I love a bit of SEO, very good. But then you ended up with fucking Tommy.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, so what lured you over to mine?

Josh: Did I not respond to your email?

Mason: Oh, I didn't cop a fuck. I didn't cop a connection on LinkedIn.

Josh: Did you add me on LinkedIn?

Mason: I went for the add on LinkedIn and didn't cop it.

Josh: Do you know what? That's really interesting because I have, that's one thing that you do, TJ, which I don't do.

Tommy: I accept everyone.

Josh: Yeah, you accept everyone.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a, you're at a business event.

Josh: But I went, because I worked at a tech company that was global, I had so many people from India and Asia and like in different industry, digital things all, fucking reaching out and connecting.

Tommy: Well, because open up your network, baby.

Josh: No, but then you also think about with the way these algorithms end up going is if half of the people who I'm connected with don't actually engage with my content or, you know, aligned with what I do, it doesn't necessarily make sense. But okay, interesting.

Tommy: So you're treating it like a closed group. I think it's— The good thing about early days of LinkedIn is that it takes some effort to add somebody.

Josh: It's not like an Insta follow, just quickly, ah, I normally cheque to see what the— like, I'll look at most people or whatever and say, okay, what are they— how many mutual connections do we have? Would we ever be doing business together? But maybe I should open it up.

Tommy: I think networking at its core, outside of social media, is every communication, every connection you have. Who— you don't know that the dude who is— just goes to the local milk bar that you chat to when you go there, I would—

Mason: I would—

Tommy: whose uncle is the CEO of a big company that wanted you to— on to do a video.

Josh: But that's a difference between they're in my sphere. The guy who does SEO marketing—

Tommy: you're on an airplane, you bump into a guy, hey mate, he seems nice, add him on LinkedIn. Turns out he's the CEO of one of the biggest companies in America. Like that. I was sitting next to a guy, I didn't actually add him on LinkedIn, but the person I was with became friends with him on LinkedIn. He's the CEO of the largest logistics company in America.

Josh: And it's like, he was flying economy.

Tommy: Yeah, crazy. It was this Melbourne to Sydney flight, so Melbourne to Brisbane. But the point is, were you like, straight, I had you as well? It's not about— I think it's the potential of business. And I didn't even approach it like that.

Josh: No, I think it's cool. I think it makes sense. I've— I think because I started on LinkedIn quite early. Like I've got recommendations since 2011. Like you go onto my LinkedIn, there's a fair bit going on there, but maybe I should open it up because I was sort of like, this is clean, this is almost another version of email. I just didn't wanna get bombarded with shit inboxes. In saying that, it sounds like this—

Mason: Feeds as well.

Josh: Yeah, feeds, yeah.

Mason: I mean, you look at the feeds, people are just pushing so much crap on there.

Josh: So what did you, so you added, You tried to add me on LinkedIn, I didn't accept.

Mason: Yeah, didn't cop the accept. Yeah, he's broken. No, I went through social media profiles just to do a bit of research before I reached out. Yeah. And yeah, then I just chucked Tommy an email.

Tommy: Yeah, and then found the real gold or found the second best. I'll go with the second best.

Josh: And so we need a nickname, we need a nickname for Mason then. Maybe it's something around LinkedIn.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, so let's— we'll create this on our Reddit. We can get this going.

Josh: Do you know what I worked out? You can actually say thedailytalkshow.reddit.com.

Tommy: Oh cool.

Josh: So that subdomain then goes to the, the other one. So that's, that's a good little—

Tommy: so thedailytalkshow.reddit.com.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. We need to work out what Mason's nickname should be. Mason, can you do a little bit of an intro on who you are in Red Earth.

Tommy: Oh Jesus.

Josh: And maybe if you can, it'd be good to link up a photo or whatever. I love any nickname around appearance and stuff, could be funny.

Tommy: Nicknames are funny, like they come to you at random times.

Josh: Well, we've got Conspiracy Jimmy next door.

Tommy: Well, you asked him if, you said you ran it past him before, but I was like, you don't run run nicknames past people.

Josh: I didn't run it past him, I called him that first and then said, Jim, do you like it?

Tommy: Yeah, but along with being Conspiracy Jimmy, he's also 110-kilo Muscle Man Jimmy. Yeah, he's, um, so maybe that's why you're testing it. It was like testing the waters. Is that a fucking question or an actual state of name?

Josh: So on Reddit, we'll, uh, we'll get that going.

Tommy: Yeah, so we need to find a nickname for Mason.

Josh: And you saw a BK had had a comment on Reddit too. He was asking, has Reddit failed? Has our, the daily talk show Reddit failed?

Tommy: It'll fail when it's not up. Yeah, when we've taken the whole thing— Mason's doing the content cull like he did for himself, but for us.

Josh: Exactly. No, we are working on bits and pieces at the moment. We've got some exciting stuff happening, but we're rolling it out very slowly. Yeah, well, I think maybe that's a way of us doing nothing but pretending like we're doing stuff.

Tommy: No, that is definitely a strategy that people use when they've got nothing going on. But it is also the reality of when you do have stuff going on. I think the energy that we have to bring to each show can't be this explosion, like, which sometimes you want it to.

Josh: Sorry about that, Mason.

Tommy: Um, second laugh of the day for Josh coming in from Mason. Did you keep a tally, Mason? I did.

Josh: You, Josh? No, it's fine. I don't want to read out the tally. It's a daily talk show. Uh, you can email us too. Hi@thedailytalkshow. You're off to deal with hand, foot, and mouth disease.

Tommy: I've got a 2:45 PM doctor's appointment and he's getting his vaccine, vaccination, thank you, as well.

Josh: So 97, maybe it should include his ATAR number in the actual—

Tommy: Something around that.

Josh: Mr. 97, Master 97.

Tommy: Yeah, just 'cause maybe something like that. I'm gonna think about this.

Josh: This is for the weekend. Something around master could be good.

Tommy: We need a sort of hat tip to sort of the younger.

Josh: When do you stop being called master? Is that 18?

Mason: Oh, it's gone.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: I thought that was like 16 or something.

Josh: Really?

Mason: Okay. My bank account's not under master anymore. He used to be pretty happy with that.

Josh: Master. Now he's professor.

Tommy: He wants master, mate. So I see what he's fucking angling for. Bring back master.

Josh: We'll catch you on Monday, everyone. Have a good weekend. See you guys.