- August 22, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Wednesday August 22 (Ep 157) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Bodhi has started saying a bunch of words, Tommy’s liking his mullet more and more, kids losing their mind, being a morning person and getting healthy vs looking a certain way.
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket is the daily Talk Show Episode 157.
I love that I failed. It's like I read your mind as soon as you started because you were working at fact fact fact. Whatever says this. Yeah.
And I was even like, I was wondering, I'm like, Am I doing this right? Like, am I doing it in the right order? Am I saying the thing that I normally say?
Are you actually questioning whether you're awake or not? Because it's it's 530 in the morning for you is it's it's it's early yeah
but no I think it might it's not that early actually. It's like 636 a nap but the thing is I am I think I'm you know want to jinx myself but this fucking air con or something. You can hear it in my voice. Yeah, like after yesterday's show. We were talking and I was a little bit sort of coffee and I was like, I ended up leaving I'm like, I think I said I've gotta go vomit. Yeah.
like I just coughed up peeps. Like I didn't call our peeps that sounds gross. I just went and had to share him was coughing but there's something in this fucking hotel room
where he said she thinks it's dusty. Yeah I'm sure he's right if you get a clean those acorns that chance of them coming in a depends on how what star hotel room you're staying in. So you're in Turkey right now. What's the Yeah,
what's the star rating of the hotel you're in? I think it's a four or five maybe it's as I said, Yes. I show we go pretty. Like I like to book somewhere that I sort of know so it's just easy for the first few days. So we're saying the Radisson diamond there 11 the joint yeah yeah and so that's nice nice and easy breeze very like I'm good at details and stuff so when we came in she she was like I don't know if this is the exact room so then I ended up calling and being like hi Is this the room and they said yes I like it's um that's one thing breeze is good. I know for around if I get to annoy the if if it starts out of the paper but it's good to ask questions
as in you went into a room that you didn't know it was yours because it was fancy or like hills better than you thought
it was probably like weed well it was a weird one because we wasn't like any extra first to go like the business style very much got you like business lounge access which means that you can just get like food and and stuff during the day yeah in saying that I don't want that to sort of be our fall back because there's so much good food out in the bath you want to be like stuck in the lounge having like little fucking shit oh actually it was really delicious I had like a heap Turkish Delight but I'm classic doesn't want to be seen to be terrorists aids Turkish delight in Turkey. Hundred percent.
That's awesome. Was it? Was it it? Was it any better than the Turkish delight and Melvin
Yeah, absolutely. I haven't had that much Turkish Delight. So it was it was good winning. You're gonna have to take the writings for this fucking show. Because I can't believe every time I start talking in here. Yeah, it's like I'm taking a big breath of fucking dust. Yeah,
well, it sounds like you got a bit of asthma I'll give you a Bodhi I'll give you a little bowtie update your laser your son well he was taking sounds or die well I said the last
any I said it never goes away. Well, when you get back he will be talking he's now stringing sentences together when I say sentences stream words that form a small part of a sentence he's lucky he now like what does he say? The woman at daycare reckons that he said mommy daddy a working
something like that. And so he's it's amazing to see how quickly the words are coming out. But um. How's he picking? What words do you think
it's very visual so what he sees he just yells out so as soon as he wakes up he come out of the car and he's pretty much hardly got his eyes open what's that pointing at? stuff looks in the ground What's that? That's his favorite What's that? What's that what's up
yeah what kids are known for like asking lots of questions it's what you think like that's you when he starts ask exactly when he starts asking difficult questions. Yes I
like about the babies and the fucking babies babies in the birds what what's your approach gonna be you're gonna go super graphic you can make up like what's what's your tactic? I'm not going to just pull up an incognito browser. And just guy let's get to work now. Josh. Now what is the actual products? So like,
Look, we had sex. And that's how you happen. Yeah, it's a, this is a thing. As a parent, what I'm learning is you you take what is on offer at the time. And that's not for quite some time really talking about the SEC still
doing the incognito
you take the conversation like what is at hand the challenge the challenge that is present that's the one that you focus on a new asking me to focus on a problem down the track which I can't even explain. I think we're pretty open like as in Yeah, we're pretty front foot with this kind of stuff. And I like to think that I'm a
cool progressive parent in some respects so I'll be happy to have conversation with him if it's
if it's who was telling me someone telling me recently that Oh yeah. So that they heard daughters about Yes, maybe grade four or five and there was a like a
an assembly or what he called a congress It was like a parent It was like a parent get together at the school in the hole and there was going to be a thing where they talked about what the kids would be learning in sex ed so it wasn't even it was like the pre class for the parents to get a gauge of what was going to be explored and the woman that was telling me she was saying that her who has been didn't want didn't want to didn't want to go and because it would be all the mothers there and I was like fact that i would i would be there front and center just what's that what do you got is that all night? Like, I feel like I'd
I'm excited to sort of he understand what these people like school teachers and staff are going to be teaching at that time. Because I know for me and what I remember I did a lot of self exploring of
internet myself but um, it was how like How old's this like what is he discovered? This is all I Primary School thing. Yeah,
that was primary school. So I'm sure be kind of very much entry level. But, uh, but yeah, so it's a challenge that's ahead of me. But I don't even go there just yet. We've still got buddy named to start talking. And he'll probably start swearing
and then we'll have to deal with that. But he's getting to that real toddler age. Like he can even, you know, terrible twos. You can he's 18 months a little bit older now.
So he's only heading towards it. So you said you're going to experience like worse. Oh, he's bad. Now. It's gonna get bad. You're getting you get a waft of this. Yeah.
of the situation. And like last night, he was just losing it while having like, everything he did. He put a little bit of food in these mouthy photos too hot spat it out and everything was just hard and then so you just gave it to him by so any fed himself and then he was happy it's like there's no rhyme or reason some nights he's just really tired others he's not but the hub that the story this is a another daycare situation he was
a bit in someone else's
it was a bit I can't remember did Hey someone is on bite him now he got bitten he choked out the kid though put into slight and I didn't know that
he he got bitten the other way as well. Side note being little chunk max turned out he he was playing with his kids blocks. Didn't want to the kid didn't want to share. What a little prick. Yeah.
Could you imagine if someone tried to buy you like as an adult? Yeah. Like, it's just such a nasty fucking thing to do, isn't it? Yeah. Why? Someone bottle speed on someone is disgusting. As an adult. Yeah.
And so anyway. So get to daycare. Bodie is just like cruising around. He sees me runs towards me just gets into my arms. And I noticed that he wasn't in Madea was wearing when he went to daycare so you gotta take just a
part of the picture you need to take him a little bag and in bag he has a change of clothes and he was in that change of clothes and there's a guy that works there and lovely lovely dude he said haha yeah. But he had a bit of a mishap I said what happened I'm always curious and he said I was I was playing with one of the other kids and then birdie came up to me and was holding on to my arm and I looked down on my arm and I could feel something like as well as he's hand and I looked down and he'd put his hand down into a snappy pulled out some poems and
what did on these guys are
oh I picked
up bowtie ever done that for you I've seen him stickies hand into a snappy and yeah it's yeah once which was yeah it was it was bad but he I pick him up it's a classic joke I always do it I picked him up and I said I shouldn't do that Bernie and I will be and easy well done good work good work
excellent I look I have it now nice you lift up these digital lift up he's my let us see a real quick easy
as well it's actually in fine form longer than it's ever been but that's everyone an update on when he's getting a haircut or not I think it's even I'm he's mal it's even better now like I'm I'm more in unlocking is Malik more and more and he gets people just constantly A lot of people say cut it but it's my salad do not want but he it looking good. Plus I'm
growing my hair so I will just will weather the storm together until we can both look like Patrick Patrick Swayze. What What is the actual like what Where does your mind go when it comes to the mullet? Like what is the pushback on the haircut well no
we like he's here we want to give him like a little I just wanted to have like a little some just free flowing hair.
I was the difference between a mallet and just long hair.
Well, he's here will grow at some point it will grow into each other. He was born he was born with the classic George Costanza look. So now here on the top just around the sides. And and then it just slowly grew on the top. And yeah, kept growing the back end. So it's probably
like me with my Neck Beard. Like I always grow my Neck Beard first. So that's like he's he's he leads my neck beard is like his mountain that well.
Not a kid comes out. And you don't know what's gonna happen with a situation. It could be shitload of hair, it could be none. or somebody's got a kind of weird combination. He was very bold on top. So yeah,
I seen some kids come out with like, a full head of hair. It's the most bizarre thing. Keats a weed. He's talking about kids being with us. Just saying the when we're at the airport, I've never seen a kid screen as my luckily he wasn't on our flight. But it was one of those things where normally when someone's crying or whatever, like your kids crying, you sort of have empathy for the parent. And you're like, Yeah, but people were like, rolling their eyes. This kid was just fucking like, he sounded like an animal. He was making Sam that I'd like never heard before. And he was just like, just like, in like, throwing himself Yeah, it was like, this is just before it was about to board the fly. And and, and I like if you're the parent in that situation, like, do you do go empathetic for the kid and Come on, calm down, or whatever, or like, I feel like if that was my kid, I would need to create some sort of saying to show everyone like a token, mystically that I'm like, as pissed off as because I was always getting a little bit annoyed that the lady wasn't fucking caring enough that a kid was losing his mind. Yeah,
there is millions of strategies to apply action is either ignore it and try and solve it. Or just keep going like Amy's been taking Bodie home on the tram every now and then from work and he she said he just lost it the other day on a packed peak hour tram in Melbourne and just he was just flopping over flopping around and someone said all you can see down here and then you know she she tries to he try and you pull out the secret weapon, the mobile phone and try and get him to watch but sometimes it just doesn't work. I experienced that tantrum just nothing was helping at Southland shopping center. And it was what it literally is one of those moments where you guys I've judged parents in this moment. And it's there's not much you can do. Like. Yeah, I mean, yeah, well, it's, it's so it's embarrassing, but it's also like, yeah, I think you can't do much about it. I think it doesn't feel as bad as you think it would. When you're looking at a parent with a kid. Yeah.
Cuz it just become immune to the annoyance Oh, yeah. Yeah, you've got a higher tolerance, right? For the screaming Yeah,
that probably doesn't sound you Yeah, hundred percent. It's like the stat. I mean, for a pair at the start. I think it's like this. They crying. It's like, you can hear it from a mile away. But then there's just been so much of it and ignored so much of it. Because a lot of the time it's not them actually. in pain. It's just, yeah, something going on. So yeah, yeah, it was.
It was interesting. I was listening to I was on the plane. He, I was listening to
Asha Ginsburg, who's got a new book out I think it's will be back after the break or after the break or something. And
he was being interviewed by May, Friedman. And I was like, falling asleep during the thing. So I but I was waking up at point. And one of the bits that I heard was him talking about these sort of like gum. He's first like, panic attack when he was three years old. And I feel like it's super interesting, because I feel like when I was three, like a, you really, I find it fascinating to be able to know when you're three years old, those sort of experiences because I feel like I would have had so many times it could have been considered a panic attack, where it's like, if you're willing to, like, lose your mind in the like, a shopping center is an adult, that would be that would be deemed like a real big fucking panic attack or something true. Do you think that like, I mean, what, what's your vibe on that? Do you think? Like, do you think there's a there's a, an eye where it sort of becomes from a tan term that any kid will have to something that's more serious? Yeah.
What I couldn't tell you. I think it's unique for everybody. But you like so Bodie doesn't cry when we leave him at daycare never has, yeah, there's this kid that I've been saying. Every, every morning recently, it's just in hysterics, just it's probably separation anxiety. It's like where does that come from? If one key doesn't have it, and then the other kid does I don't think it's it's it's got nothing to do with their parenting style. Because the kids like so fresh in like, as individuals like it's so eye opening, having a kid and taking them to daycare when you see the little personalities that are there at 18 months.
Like it is right just like it is cemented who you are from a very early age. Just your it's a massive roll of the dice. Yeah, it's probably the thing to consider with all this shit. Yeah, like, if you've got a great kid, you probably just got fucking lucky. Yeah, yeah. And,
and you know, the meaning a kid like I look at God, because he's pretty out there. And he's got a lot of my tendencies in terms of just like, he's a bit wild. And I'm definitely building the
mullet makes him while like, do you think that you're No, but seriously, do you think that maybe like because of like this, how you dress him how you like fucking Katie's hair. I was gonna say hey Katie's hand, but you haven't
but do you think that like if you put him in little tuxedos and cash or like brain I would have acted think that he would he would be more into computers and less like outdoorsy or sort of like like you yeah
I don't think so. He He never like when you when you leave them at daycare and when you pick him up he's constantly just doing stuff he's walking around like sweeping or he's walking around with like this little stick that has this duck that you can just has these little legs on it and rolls and he's just he's he's constantly burning around and he's just got that energy in them and it's just it's got its got chutzpah and then there's these little kids that are just a little bit make and just lovely and just be quiet but just Yeah, he's body is a little later. It's crazy. Like he demands attention from in the room. Not like yelling but kids just flock to him. It's bizarre and I hope it's you know, just needs to be honest, I'm going to close the loop and my mom even said Oh, close the loop. I think she said yeah, I've got to talk to you about something from one of the podcasts you've been talking that you say something you said and so I'm gonna share
is this like close the loop? Or is this your mom warning corrections when you find things or is this is this a is this an actual closer look?
No I think it's a closed loop so yeah great MC Hall who we had on we talked about ADHD add and it was probably I think it was pretty invoke to judge kids and say that they had ADHD or a DD if they were just yeah
at a bit of personality back in the day
and so I think I said something around the teachers used to say that I had ID day and it's something similar for you wasn't it yeah
well my mom would always threaten that we're going to go to the doctors and get me medicated rockin Oh thinking about it I give if I've got a headache or something I want tyke pen at all or anything like I really take medication and it drives me crazy sometimes I'm like on just drink some water. And I wouldn't be surprised if from the negativity that came from
taking medication for it for anything. So um. Yeah,
it's interesting. So yeah, so so your mom heard that episode? Yeah. And she said oh, I be mean to tell you. We got you tested. Which I can't remember getting tested. You probably took me told me it was a dentist appointment next minute getting tested for it day. Turns out I never had it so really stick it out. You're asked he was just a You're just an asshole.
Not too blind. Yeah, the the that that actually reminds me of getting tests as a kid
mom was always complaining that I was like, fucking couldn't hear it right when she asked me to do stuff like I'd be on the couch watching TV. I said I can't he so
we went to a hearing test I had like perfect hearing
the person doing the test said yeah he's just ignoring you get
staff because you're caught you you're very
safe way did you knew on the way to the hearing test. Did you know what's going on? I think no. I think I don't know. I think that actually I couldn't hear him but I think I was just ignoring it. Like I even can do that with bright to where it's like, if I'm doing something if I'm like rating something or watching something I can't do more than one thing. Like it's not that I am just being disrespectful or anything like that. It's literally like if I try and do more than one thing other things are going to happen and so I think maybe it was a bit of that but it was funny to think that I am yeah we went to the doctors and stuff and there was literally nothing wrong with my that's a classic so he's a taste they don't do they don't do but everyone's self diagnosing themselves that's people who say I'm not a morning person
and so because what do you
I think I'm a I'm an HR I think I'm this I'm an eight hours of sleep person yeah and as long as I've had that I can I can do stop so if I if I go to bed and I'm counting the hours on my fingers I'm like I'm only getting six hours I straightaway panic because I'm not gonna wake up I'm not going to feel good whereas if I get it I was seven and a half is is okay too but I'll wake up the rays it like if you think about it and this like when I was growing up I can wake up in the morning like we would leave for school at seven actually no not seven eight would leave school fucking night and I would be at like tend to I still embed a mom screaming Josh
now. That's type of deal coffee yet. And yeah, I was like candy. Candy. Mom.
Good guy. And, um, yeah. So I but it was because I would go to bed. Like when I was like, 1617, I would stay up until like, two in the morning. Like, yeah, it is teaching and talking. Like even I would edit and talk to mate at the same time on the phone. It was just I just did not prioritize sleep at all.
Well, I think there's a few things when you're 16 and you're not dropping. There's a lot of testosterone flowing through system and you're quite hormonal. So it's a it's a gripe I've always tech squeegee
exploration it's a it's a conversation I mean I have a lot there's it we we battle it out in the mornings because I basically spring out of bed and I'm pretty awake or just gonna do what I know are going to do in the morning I gotta get to work yeah and I'm he's always been of the thinking of school of thought of I'm not a morning person and I struggle getting up and it's one of those things but then I my thought around it is if she's got a flight that we need to catch and it's in the morning there seems to be no problem so is there is it a really morning is it really in the morning thing or it's like yeah I always have always been published late yeah I
think it's probably the I think it does come down to when you go to bed I think that the reality of people who get up early is like go to bed early as well and so I reckon that most people who say that they're not a morning person aren't having a doubt like if you were to have eight hours of sleep My feeling is that as long as I have as long as I have eight hours of sleep I'll I'll be able to wake up and I'll be fine What time do you guys normally go to bed we can debate that light 10 o'clock
sometimes tend to like not even I mean yeah it's it when you have a kid it's pretty early I mean when I'm he was single she used to go to bed pretty light but I think he just you've probably fall in the trap of going to bed light and then associating mornings with this pain of getting out because Utah Yeah, yeah, I mean,
it's probably a mindset like you probably use a mindset thing I think one thing that I've become better at ease empathetic with not everyone's may type of thing and I even know that like I was speaking to a friend the other day who they that was they were basically they said us stayed up until 4am I just couldn't go to sleep and
I started I said one thing that helps me is having a cold shower before I go to bed and then as as I said that I rolled it into but I don't have insomnia so I'm like so it might not help like so I completely understand that that might not help actual yeah i think that that's probably a slight tweak in the way that I view things which is like like I could say all you need is eight hours of sleep more you just need to change your mindset to be like to for it to be a positive thing or create like positive habits but yeah I don't know if it says as easy as as that yeah well
i i we haven't really thrown it out to maybe listening that are in a field of expertise I'd love to know if a doctor is listening that yeah you know spend a bit more time at University of the mass which is going to university
so if you've been if even if you've started a doctor's
course I was about to say certificate
if you know anything about like
if you got three in medicine
belief set raise as high as it goes well my I've got us at three and four so
I think that's I think that's like masters in type language
not even not
if anyone knows about the morning if if it's a legitimate thing like morning person is a legitimate thing I you want Who are you not
one thing that I just was thinking about so the on that Asha ginsburg interview Have you seen his Men's Health photos is ripped
yeah and I what I thought was really interesting is um I was listening to a podcast with him and may afraid mum was on she normally gives me the shits but she would I actually enjoyed this episode
what turned me off I was I listened to this will end missed an episode yeah and she used the first five minutes without will bang they're describing how about you still have crushes on each other doesn't really wait like oh yeah you know will used to have a crush on May and you know I used to sort of have a crush on here and so it was just like fuck it what a weed wide to start an interview with someone very ways I find it interesting the podcast that contextualize at the beginning where they have an interview, and then they use the first 10 minutes to explain the interview. I feel like sometimes, especially if it becomes a bit of a heated conversation. I don't think it's necessarily fair for the interviewee. Because you're essentially like you getting the last say, you're able to, like get the whole audience on your page and giving Hey, this was my point of view where I was asking these questions and then letting them back in saying that may was grilling Asha about the cover. Because he's been he was talking about how when he was working, I think on the batch lot, he had this situation where it was basically, I think, set up by some paps or someone where they wanted they needed him to take his shirt off for the show show or something to get into some scuba gear. And there were perhaps they're waiting to get photos of him with that he's top on when he had sort of weight issues, which happened to be the way to choose from the medication. It was taking,
you know, sort of mental illness, but she did bring up an interesting point around, okay, like, you know, why do you want to do the cover type of thing. He's like, you know, I want it to be a positive mental health story about how, like, through exercise and all that sort of thing, I was able to do this, but then you he his description in like, the last 48 hours of him getting ready for that photo. And it's like, he stopped drinking water. If I can get dehydrated or something, I just don't know how I feel about it. Because it's sort of it feels like a massive contradiction, which is like, in one way. He's trying to say,
Be happy who you are, with who you are. And you know, a bit then at the same time, I think it's great to like, celebrate your achievements, but don't know about that last two days, affecting getting dehydrated and doing all of that hacking shit to try and get lean as fact, for the cover. Yeah,
it is a bit of hell. It's not it's not health. I mean, yeah, most people that are either competing or doing those things are not in a healthy state at the moment. They're taking that photo bodybuilders I don't know how healthy these for the amount of food that they eat during training. I mean, they just optimizing the result of what they put in the anesthetic. Yeah,
as well. Right there. optimize it, like, Okay, this looks good. But like, yeah, so I thought that was that was interesting. But I was it was just on my mind where I'm like, Yeah, actually, it was a little bit like, fuck you to the situation. sense of like, Yeah, I don't like I don't necessarily need to look like that. And I think that there's probably I think that
Yeah, I don't know, I was just a little bit like, the, it seems a bit disingenuous to sort of say that it's all for this specific thing, whilst at the same time, also projecting into the world, the sort of negative body sort of perspectives. Yeah,
well, I've told you, I like as soon as I have done not competitions, but, you know, challenges or focused seriously on what I'm eating diet, you know, you I, I become more vain, it's like a result of this input, I start looking in the mirror more start trying to look at my ad, and I don't like it, it doesn't doesn't feel good for me. Like, I don't feel like it's a healthy mindset for me. And when I mean, the other. The other result is when I shoot food, and I'm like, I I it so I feel a similar way, but in the opposite direction, if that makes sense. And so there has to be a middle ground, which is hard, because it's, I mean, humans are always sort of having these these extremes that make them feel something, you know, like, it's almost like the middle ground doesn't make you feel enough. And it's and it's not like, you know, like, we like a bit of pain in some respects, because it means that we're sort of on this path to getting to the other side or something like that. And so maybe the middle ground where you just thought, yeah, this is good. I don't know, it's such a weird thing, because it is it's all in my head. It's just promoting, I think that the thing is, that
might be what it is without just purely looking at the cover. And I think that when it is a cover like that's all you've got to be able to look at it on its own and say what the messages rather than just I think that what he's point was was that he was sort of
it was a white into the conversation. So it was sort of
Trojan horses that issue where it's like, Look, I've got these ads and then look, mental health. But I still think that maybe it sets off this expectation that to,
you know, that that you need that. I think that it's I think that it looks like there's a little bit of danger to that sort of thing. Because I was even like,
I know that my I was even, like, slightly triggered with like, Oh, yeah, maybe I should do that. Like, yeah, that would be cool. And then it's like, I don't, if you think about the obsessive nature that's required to get to that point, even if it's over a short period of time, versus just like, it'd be interesting to see what the what health actually looks like, like, maybe maybe health would look like that if you were there, like from the beginning, but I just feel like going from fat to that in a short period of time isn't necessarily that, you know, it was six months or whatever, but I just Yeah, I don't know, when I was thinking about that.
Well, I think I think we need to get you on the front of men's health and you get back I can I now I think I think you should do like, the one thing about doing those challenges that might not be the most healthy thing for you, in terms of your mindset, mindset, it like you can propel yourself into a new sort of,
it's like leveling up, you know, so, like, I reckon I've built like a base strength from doing the sort of going all in and then refine, and then instead of pulling back and not training like that, but I've definitely like leveled up. And so
there is definitely benefits, you know, if you can, if you can do it, it's like the life in general, right? It's like me, going to chaotic airports, or dealing with issues in previous trips means that when I go to an airport that has a similar situation, I feel like I can just, like lean into it. And it's completely fine. It's probably the same thing with this sort of thing, you know, that you've done it before, and you can do it again, and you've got the foundation
one one thing that I like I was obsessed this. So I've done maybe a couple of challenges within the last three years I've done to where a bunch of mates got together. And so trying to add to this data anyway, the first time I did it, and I just refined like a heads. So such little carbs and also strict and then I got results and then the next time I did it, and I did it differently where I actually had carbs and I got really great results. And so it's like for me it was like this moment where I was like I you actually can do it has like your body is so unique that it will respond and you need to work it out but the only get and get it by trying it and so you know it's you can't just say don't eat carbs to paypal because cabs are actually old in some respects.
I think that that was part of Atias pointing doing it was showing that you can build lean muscle through a plant based diet Yeah, having mate
so you know, I get it but at the same time like that's there's 100 different ways of doing stuff and I get that there is when you look you know when you look over time of Lent towards fucking eating eggs and laying mates and shit like that and this is just another option so I don't think we need to worry that it's it's you know going to move too far the other way mm hmm
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