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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. It's the daily talk show live from in and out in Los Angeles. Oh yeah, we are right next to an airport and you can see there's a plane we can't say. But that

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noise that is united right there. That's what that plane is. Yeah,

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this is your spot. This is this is you in Bry this is what this is your I

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guess a ritual for you. This is where our next LA x in Los Angeles and there is an in and out burger place.

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This is so close to the air but like we can see the runway like we've got prime vantage point for the runway and you can smell the rubber from the planes. And you can smell the burger. Juice Plus Eddie's cooking away from me the NATS You know what? I haven't said? What?

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It's Episode 200 200 holy shit ever. The crowd is going you wouldn't believe the crowd that we've got right now at the Singapore Airlines plane is just taking off. Geez. I've got a bit of velocity to them.

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Yeah. Congrats. 200 episodes.

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Congratulations to you. We we were going to when we're in the US do an in and out versus Shake Shack video. Yeah, Russkies was holding you accountable.

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Yeah. And as I mentioned, when we first landed it doesn't need it doesn't need one Shake Shack is is no competitor to internet. Yeah. Isn't that He's unbelievable. I'm about to. I'm about to push an app

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on the app files because I just died. A double double and a cheeseburger which is basically eating cheat three cheeseburgers and you're about to catch a flight so this is your final episode as well in Yeah, like

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what a trip it's vain America and

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another united flight is this is just an absolute cluster. Fuck have an idea to do an episode. I don't know the airport.

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I hope that you can bear bear through this. But I think it adds to the the energy of the show. Yeah,

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we haven't done an admin like anything really sort of administrative in a while. What does that look like? Well, I think it looks like addressing the elephant in the room. Who's the people? She's not the elephant centre. So we were we were we had a big plan. Sandra, Sally on episode 200. Yeah, the daily talk show.

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And as everyone knows, we are amazing at sticking to promises. Yeah. I think we've done a pretty good job of keeping most promises, but looking promising because Sandra, she got some mentions on the show. And then you reached out to us via Twitter. And then we did

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we did a post and we said Sandra, Sally coming on episode 200 That's right rave got behind it. And you slid into a DM Yeah, and so what happened I asked her I said I Sandra just this is probably a month ago. Yeah. Hey Sandra week it's coming up to the to the show to the episode 200 would love to lock it in can meet you anywhere. What do you want to do it?

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And she said no to LA.

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She didn't she didn't respond because we were literally like our timings with everything was around being back in Australia. No, this is no fucking joke. Brian and I were discussing when we were going to be back in Australia and I said we had to be back to Episode 200 because of Sandra selling

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Did you get an auto responder at first he

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he's got he's doubled down on the rumour that Sandra Sally smokes cigarettes. Well, is damning. There is an episode legal punching dad's I think maybe the title of that episode. Maybe she did hear that. But no, we did. We did plan on having Episode 200. But I did a damn tear on Twitter. Yeah. And on Instagram incoming and didn't have to say, every time there was a play, you get

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you get distracted quite easily. And this is probably the one thing that distracts me most. I love it that I'm sitting here right now at the front of internet. And I'm about to jump on a plane and 14 hours behind. Yeah, it's bizarre. I know. I'm leaving, like and you get home Two days later, according to Australian time. It's so bizarre. I love that. It's, it feels almost like it's fake. Right? It feels like there is some simulation where you get into this capsule and then all of a sudden you're on the other side of the world is bizarre

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when you see people on Instagram posting about their you know, day to day life, like Tom says has launched the coffee shop nearby to us. And like all these things happen. It is it feels like a simulation or like a movie. Yeah. I mean, yeah, life can be movie. I was having a conversation on the way over he liked somebody profound like life can be a movie and if we've learned anything, Dave Allah, who just on Monday vowels podcast comes out in November. And he seemed to pick me up on my quote, my cording of African proverb.

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Yeah, that was that was funny. I'll bet you you're gonna have to wait. months. for that one. Are you but I was talking to a woman over on the way over here. School teacher from Adelaide lovely she was she referred to me as her seat, buddy or a seat. She said, You're a great seat, buddy.

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Did she put her hand on your leg when

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we had a seat free between us, which was great. But we got we had a really great track. Yeah. And I mentioned. Yeah, that was allowed on the daily talk show. And we were talking about I said, as I've got older, I actually get why people freak at. And I could only imagine that freaking out on an aeroplane is literally just thinking loaded about you and the gap between

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the Earth Yeah, well, I think it's around. It's not just that it's just the fact that you've got like, angels on either side of you. Yeah. Pushing you into the sky. Yeah. Well, if you ever done the mood, like hanging out around Melbourne airport and saying no,

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I never have but it's Melbourne airport. I don't even want to go new there. Yeah, like this. This is no Mac is. Yeah, that has this vantage point. There's no in and out definitely because we don't have one. Yeah, but it's been a great trip. What's been your favourite part of this? I think

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it's been meeting all the different people yeah, I think like by far you know us doing we didn't do as many sort of you and I episodes as we're hoping because we just had back to back people that we're catching up with and my voice

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Yes, you can tell it's much better. Yeah, that was a cost too far. Jesus that's soon as me right for trolling you and your voice went making videos about

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awaken it happened in a way which we go rest your voice? Yeah, you're okay. You had one bad day?

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Yeah. You know, I think you'll find on the back end of New York. It was it was bad. Yeah. And it was getting worse. But even that, like that episode we did with Eddie, who owns Chinese tuxedo, you should listen to it. rz in New York. Absolutely. killing it. Yeah, that's one of my favourites. Yeah.

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The awesome thing about Eddie was he was

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like, just so fucking smart. Like, what? Like, I wasn't expecting. Yeah, you expect, okay, you can't be good looking, or in a restaurant, and also be able to, like be throwing truth bombs.

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100%. And, Carrie, like, I think what I've loved is meeting so many variations of human beings that have different energies and different driving forces behind what they're doing. And just seeing how everyone is so fucking different. That's why we love having guests on the show, as well, because you were getting perspectives of, you know, great people.

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Yeah. And also, I think it's how generous everyone has been to Yeah, like the fact that Candace came to our Airbnb. in West Hollywood. Yeah. Successful comedian. Yeah.

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And just like rocks up, knocks on the door. She mentioned that when she came out to LA. She was, she's frozen on the podcast, but she said, Oh, yeah, I was in some, you know, improv comedy classes with Kevin Hart. Watch. Yeah. Kevin fucking hat. He's like the one of these comedians in the world now.

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Yeah. It's been what's been the the learning few we've done, because this is the back and have a few months of doing the show remotely? Oh, yeah. I'm looking

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forward to. It's great. I said, Go. And we if we did that remote, you know, back in Australia and dialling in on Skype or something would not have been what it was. Yeah. And so I'm looking forward to just being in the same room to be able to interrupt you.

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That's an American airline. The other funny thing I was thinking is, these mics are pretty good. It'd be funny if people can't hear the planes at all. And all I hear is us stopping every few seconds having some sort of comment about it being an American. You know, I did it. That's where that's me on the spectrum coming up. They just yelling at playing models.

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I think that's the reality. And that one looks like it's been out for that came out two years ago, that one we've learned to not mention the fizzy water freezing, because you cannot pick it up in the early days. You are going oh, sorry for the fizzy water guys. You can see it was on the How is it couldn't really hear it.

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So one thing that we've been talking about a bit is this live thing?

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Yeah. Yeah. It's exciting.

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What we've been talking about, it's still at the early stages at the moment, but I thought, hey, let's let people peek behind the curtains. We didn't talk much about this us trip. But yeah, there's there's advantages by not mentioning too much too early on. The show

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is built on a promise. And that promise is built into the name of the show. And that's the daily talk show. So other than being on the five days, because as Brad blank said, Every good relationship needs time off a couple of days off. And so that's that's what we give ourselves on the weekend. But if we go into anything, I think it's the promises big when we say we're going live every day.

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Yeah. Which changes a lot. I would like to for us to eventually get to the point where we live that we do video. Yeah. And I got really excited because we're in Matty of Allah. He's apartment who we had on the podcast last week. And

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he had an Alexa. And sorry, he's got an Alexa right now. It's really going crazy. Yeah.

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Alexa, stop my day. That's what I heard, Matt.

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Yes, I think that what is what I think maybe it plays a tunes that you like, or whatever it is, but I said, Alexa, play the daily talk show. And I fucking theme starts and it plays the latest episode of the show. Yeah, that is cool. So the live thing, we're definitely going to do it. We need to work out. He's one problem that I say. And that's your body temperature. And the summer of Melvin. So she specifically video, you're worried Yo,

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yo, our office, we gotta work would have to work out how to get a con that doesn't make a shitload of noise. And that could blow onto your face to stop your sweat.

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Well, I think I would, it would almost need a blast to the air con. Yeah, I was trying to think of ways of doing that. So it was it didn't have much sound. But

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then again, if we're worried about a con noise in

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the old what, like planes? Yeah, I feel like when you told me about disability or whatever, and they giving examples, yeah, they've all these things. And then they have like a jet plane. Yeah. So in terms of podcasting, what have you learned from this trip? Based on people's response to what we're doing and what we have been planning and, and essentially doing? Well, I think it's partly that when you actually when you are picking yourself when you do these things, and you say Are we going to be in the US and you actually deliver on that the the way in which people change their thinking behind what you're doing? Yes, dramatic. Yeah, us being in Collingwood doing our show versus actually going to the effort of being in New York City. Getting you know, amazing guests on actually it creates buzz.

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Yeah. doing stuff with no clear I guess. result. Yeah, like determined or results promised. is scary. But it's

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it's so required

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in this land, Skype.

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Yeah. What did you learn from the ground up doing doing Matt do vallas podcast for people who don't know, Matt Dave, Allah created the America was that no, that was Delta. Dave Allah created the film minimalism, the documentary, who, you know, Josh Joshua fields Milburn, who we had on the show on Friday, he was the he's the minimalist, but he's one of the minimalist. He's the other producer behind that film. But Matt has a

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podcast. Yeah, random.

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You talking about what I learned being on

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what you gonna do? I think it was it was the first time you and I have been on a podcast together.

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Yeah, God is so different. And I think if you listen to this show, and go and I highly recommend you go listen to Matt and our episode if you want when it comes out. Because it's a different take on us. Like this episode is fun. We're just chillin. We're not trying to get profound and maybe we might get a few moments of something close to being profound, but I don't think we will.

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What was it like the ground up show to all about that sort of the you know, you ground up storey what you've done, and I was I definitely felt the pressure to deliver. Did you? Like, it made me synthesises? Okay, what do we actually like, for people who have no idea who we are, which is the majority of the population? Like it makes you think about Oh, what do people actually care about

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you? What did you say? You get to act as if everyone gives a fuck, and no one gives a fuck yeah. So if you approach it, yeah, to me, that's a weird thing to swallow. And after that,

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yeah, it is. And the Bry Bry mentioned after the episode, she said, Maybe I swore it might be a reason to potentially listen to this episode is just, I mean, Matt did drop the bomb. Yes, he did. Well, he edits that show. We don't edit this show. So it was in the context of him saying, Okay, well, you're a couple of Australian so you're obviously used to this. Yeah. We probably retired the save off from the podcast maybe six months ago.

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Yeah. Yeah, we haven't said many save arms. And mostly because of my mom.

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That's right, Matt,

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and said, Stop. Stop swearing is magic. But I think I think we I think maybe we'll squaring the stack because it's like, we were overcompensating for being a bit nervous. Yeah. So you like when you get a bit nervous? You might just start a bit scared a bit swear either to act like you're really chill.

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Yeah, can you can we just have a have a look over where LA x is? Right? Wow, I have like a to the sun. It's the sun is setting here. In Los Angeles and ally. It's almost like the runway is, is directly in front of the sun. So you were saying like a silhouette. And I'm sure if you complain about driving down pond road going home, and there's sun coming into your eyes. Yeah.

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This era vines that have 1000 people on them that are landing with direct direct sunlight. Yeah,

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smashing their eyeballs. The thing with travel? Is that the

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never, it's very rarely easy. Yeah. Do you think enough people like I know that when I was away, I sort of tried to maybe give some insight into that. And to sort of paint a picture that wasn't all rosy and say yeah, look like some of this stuff is a bit of a cluster. fuck do you think shoe being away in the US now? Do you get that vibe a bit more?

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Yeah, it's it's, it's not. It's not easy. It's uncomfortable. But there's so many it's so rewarding. So I think it's like, my maybe, maybe we just got to be grateful if you can't actually travel because

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a lot of people can't travel.

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Those people can American Airlines.

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I've got nights I haven't been on aeroplanes overseas. And one one night didn't go on an aeroplane until he was

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it? Do you think that you when you go home, you'll have a different perspective?

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Oh, this has been as much as it's been hard being away from my family. My my baby, my wife. It's so I'm so looking forward to saying that. Not that I don't. Yeah, it's like, I just miss touching my son. My son is my son. And he's, I love him to pieces and kissing my wife and so weird, but they're just little things. I don't want to smell them. But

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yeah, we get away. Yeah. Smell if you're a father, you know what I'm talking about?

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Your son's little neck, it's so beautiful, is that it's an extension of yourself. And so it's very nice being away from them at the same time, because it's, I get to build up this tank to be the desire to see and hang out with them because you take everything for granted.

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Yeah. So you're about to get on your flights in a few hours. Yeah. What's your what's your ritual? We talked about that with Seth. It's like, yeah, we love hearing

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ritual. What are you going to do? I've got a I'm more of a savvy travelling. Now. I've got a toiletries bag with eyedrops with painkillers with ventilation, if it's just in case. Something happened. my toothbrush Yeah, and I've got my beanie to pull over my eyes. So you were saying that you didn't have that? Did you have that in your check bag? Check bag. Yes, annoyingly but

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so

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the eyes

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wasn't a check bag though was

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not checked bag. I just didn't it was like Dave in my carry on carry on luggage because you you have given the carry on thing a crack just just having carry on. Yeah, I don't seeing you in Bry. I mean, you've been away for a lot longer.

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We're also same.

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Yeah, true. And you've been wearing the same thing the whole trip? Yeah. Geez. I reckon you guys could have done backpacks, like small backpacks plus a gear.

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Well, the funny thing is, if you'd heard early, early episodes, one will just heading on the trip. It was a contentious issue. The the bag situation is Bry when an 85. Late I got like the 55 later, and we bought we bought to 55 later bags. And then just before you went praise, I have a bigger I'm going to get the 85 later, she took

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a bag back and got the big one. Yeah, it's crazy. But I did say, thinking about being away for so long. Like just that. That bulk of time makes you think you need like it only makes sense in your head taken off because I'm away for so long. Yeah, but when we strip it back, it's, you don't need a great deal.

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The good thing that I'm excited about too is it's been a while since we've done a regular show.

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Yeah. Like your normal non travel

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related. Yeah. But also like you think about this has been obviously like a bit of reflection. Yeah. But it's it's a specific. It's not like we're looking at Trello and being like, what's going to happen today? Yeah, it's like you inevitably just go into a different sort of style of content. And it like and you don't even realise it.

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Yeah, I've loved having guests on, because we've done majority of us. Yeah. And I've I've loved that flexing that muscle as well, because we're getting better at being in a conversation with a third person or for four people. Yeah. Because that's something that we haven't done a great deal. Yeah. And and I'm looking forward to. We've got some great guests in mind when we get back. Yeah,

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I think that it's building on that momentum as well. That's what I'm excited about is it's like, the

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just going hard. Yeah.

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What was it? What's the balance for you though? Like, do you think that is the goal, I feel like within our business partnership, you're, you're good at nothing, putting on the brakes. But thinking about things a little bit more and being like, do we need to like is this you know, it's the how yes or no question. And you're tossing up in your mind about things like the the live stuff and all that sort of thing. You go that's not like necessarily, how Yes,

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I think I've made too many promises that I've broken, not just more to myself around content. Yeah. Because we've, I think any creative is done it because you have the best intentions. And then something gets in the way. So I want to make the right promise. Yeah, it's gonna, that we're going to stick to

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Yeah, I was talking to my brother who lives in North Carolina and him and I have a funny relationship. You've you've we've had him on the show. We have we've had him on the show. Yeah. And we've we tend to troll each other a little bit as like, you know, maybe the younger brother and him being the older brother. And he's constantly said, I think I get the life that like what do you want to live doesn't make any sense? And maybe there's a part of me which is like, I'm gonna fucking show you Yeah, good live

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can be you're still fighting about it

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this thing is on this note, there's no fight on Fitbit. I mean, James said that the Fitbit had a good life ahead of it. Yeah. And if you have a look at their stock prices, I think potentially it would say something on

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the Apple Watch the new one has just come out Yeah, so it's it's definitely smash the Fitbit

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Do you know what's funny about how these little things in life that a painful but for whatever reason, we don't actually do anything about it talking about the Fitbit and talking about the Apple Watch. I have not set up where you know, we're talking that is a Southwest flying Southwest airline. Good airlines. Yes. By the way, have you ever flown southwest and I never they were they good because they sort of a no frills airline, but the good thing is that they give you fucking two bags domestically as a standard. Yeah, so it's like it's low cost, but almost has a few of the frills so that's why I liked it. I fucking love Southwest but no the what was the watch? I it's been you know a week and a half a couple of weeks in the US haven't actually updated my watch from your because I don't know what the which back in button. It is all I you know, I got this fancy j shark if you part of the early days, you would have heard the rebrand and

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I got my trolling of the

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Yeah, the big chunky wat the chunky thing, and I haven't actually haven't changed it. So I've been I've been wearing it but I've been having to look at my phone every single night. Eli mass doesn't have a watch

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doesn't mean he's sending people to space. It's true. It's very sad. I look at my phone, which is a which is a good point. Yeah. It's getting chilly here in Los Angeles. And you know what I am looking forward to getting there is something about the Qantas kangaroo that makes me feel comfortable. Right branding Do you think

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this is what happens when I looked down at 2024 minutes? That's right I have shit to say. Just do I will do it now I think that is probably yeah that's fucking great branding big I think it's a rings true to what they're about. I mean, I'm a Virgin Australia guy as a general rule, but we're flying in New Zealand but talk actually talking about lessons the one thing that's a small you're not applying the one thing I have come to terms with is just not giving a fuck about frequent flyers. I

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well it's nice to go out Josh on that first class flight over you trip on a flatbed

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so we went from first class Singapore in the sweets very nice brain I and now where we've got we found rich to one way flights for brain I flying from LA I think for like 800 and somebody else for that.

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But it's easy to say I still want to fly. I hope that we can find success in what we do. So we can at least fly first class Yeah. When do an episode from first class.

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Maybe when one of the airlines bring out a new first class we can say hey guys will do a test it. Sky tested. Yeah. The the conversation around moving to the state. We spoke about to a lot of people sort of sussing out as well as sussing out going on. Amy, if you're listening, we're moving. We're doing it. Did you? Did you get any clarity on that? Do you think like How serious are you when you say when you start talking about this sort of stuff? Actually committing to to make it

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what makes it it makes sense having the thing that we've got going on? Yeah. happening and potentially giving it a crack at some point. Yeah. And I mean, I've got quite a bit to think about with my family. But here's the thing, if you move to the States, at our age, and in a situation, it's because this great opportunity that is that we've got access to something are we getting paid? Well, we're doing here to do something with it. I think a

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lot of people come here though, and they're not getting paid well.

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But it that's one way to do it because we could find something or create something or have in someone invest in a film that we're creating. And that allows us to do that. So there is another way and I To be honest, I think I'd much prefer that path and then coming here when I was 20 Yeah, trying to try to carve it couldn't even drink then.

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Well, the the boots on the ground. Starting tomorrow will be back. Yeah. Be hearing us in Melbourne. Tomorrow on Tuesday. We'll go full day. Yeah. And so

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the What does that even mean? I don't know. It sounded good.

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Maybe you get erotic. No, I can't like I just I love that we can go from being silly to talking about something that's deeper than rap.

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Yeah. Is it line? David the rap? I've never heard of it. David than that. It's deeper than rap. You'll get a BMX only be Mac. Yeah. But the the one thing that we have done while being away is with press go on. Big media company. Yeah. And so we walk into the door tomorrow. As it feels like the next step. Really? Yeah.

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We'll put the the sign up on the wall. flip the sign over open for business. Yeah. And to laughing is waiting, waiting.

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Now I think that it will be interesting. One of the things that people are going to get for this podcast is us trying to work out how we can run big media company as a partnership. Yeah, the learnings of that. And we got a taste of that we go. Josh Simon's gave us great advice. It was teaching a shit like we should, we should probably do that. Yeah, we should get all this in order. And so I think that there's if if you're interested in business, if you're interested in relationships and partnerships and giving something ago, I think that the coming months and years, yeah, going to be a real sort of test

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of all of those theories, you've been really getting into analysing you know what people respond to you and asked when you're asking about business, because the it's like when someone says how are you say, yeah, I'm great. Yeah. Or it's like, I'm good. Because you don't want to say I'm actually doing pretty shit. And I'm struggling, which, I don't know, that's just shifts the conversation if someone says that you're like, Oh, you either will move away from it, or you will move towards it and find out what's happening. I think it is, like, honestly, people really

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relate to and appreciate. Yeah, well, when we had Joshua fields Milburn on on Friday, yo, at the beginning, it's like, yeah, it's all good. No, so thing, but then you once you start asking the right questions is like, does he like, did they situations piss you off? Is it a fact? Yeah, yeah. And so it's, it's one of those things of like, understanding when people have default responses to things, it doesn't necessarily mean that everything's all good. But I just think that we, I think it's a natural response to think positive like to say the positively.

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I think that was, you know, like, what I didn't like about radio. You know, when I was on radio, was it you there was not like, you got a small amount of time, and you're not going to just download that you're feeling like a piece of shit or struggling? Yeah, because it needs a lot more context and people coming in and out, being forced to listen to you. And so I hope we can try and with that being, because there will be some great times but it will be some hard times. So it's like, what how do you share that? How do you decide what to share?

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Yeah, and it's like the thing is that whilst it's the start of something new for us, it feels like to me this episode 200 is like a bit of a red bar and an achievement of what this one my ears start ringing because I'm getting I'm getting to the point of being nice it's it you know, we have we've both made a big sacrifices and I appreciate that you have Yeah, I like it whilst I can be fucking mental at times and be a bit fucking and we had we talked about the fact that when you get an Airbnb good Airbnb is have two sets of keys. One case, the main key. And the second key is the blow out the blow up K. And the flower is all that's a big fight. The blow up key is for when you it's normally when you're in a relationship or whatever. It's like the hotel cards or whatever. And it's when you have a blower. Yeah. And it's like, if I get I'm gonna keep walking, you do your thing. I'll meet you back at the Airbnb. And so I think that like, it hasn't. Yeah, it's, it's been I think it's all been positive. If I look back at everything that we've been able to do, I think that it's it's amazing. The Yeah, like the How would you describe it? I think it's like it's required. I talked about, I've mentioned generosity a lot that you've had to be so generous, to be able to say and you know, put ego aside and say fuck, I'm going to do it in the car in St Kilda when I don't want to fucking do it. And JJ is in Greece. So whatever it is, and then even when you're sick in New York, getting through it and making it happen. Yeah, and when I have my moments of blow ups are over, I'm done. You don't want to do now. I don't want to fucking do it anymore. Ever been able to? In those moments being the one who says are not? You're

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doing it? Like if I wish I think about travelling. I don't think I would have done what you did. Yeah, so I thank you. And it's not that I don't it's not that i think i'm not going on some three month trip now with my situation. So I'm only ever going to do it. But I don't think as as a younger me, I would have

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committed to that.

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Yeah, if that makes sense. Because I've committed in my life and I've made it makes sense in my world to commit to this. But I don't think it would have if I was in your situation. So thank you.

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have a good one. Say