It wasn't Hotdogs, by the way

Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface!

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 154.

Tommy: Tommy Jackett, Friday fun one.

Josh: Yeah, I'm feeling, feeling excited.

Tommy: Every day's fun. It's just crack of dawn for you. It's just coming to the close of the day for myself, almost end of trading and into the weekend.

Josh: You're sounding a little bit more chill. I'm excited. I went to H&M and got some new undies today, or yesterday, sorry. So this is day 1 of wearing the fresh undies and it feels good.

Tommy: Yeah, you would chill too, or I mean—

Josh: No, I'm excited, excitable maybe.

Tommy: You're excitable.

Josh: So, yeah. Well, so I think I'm guessing if we count this as the word of the day, given that I don't have my laptop open, excitable, I would say is probably easily excited maybe, or—

Tommy: It's a pretty simple one.

Josh: I could potentially, well, but maybe I'm wrong though. I feel like excitable, is not just excited, but there's a willingness or an ability to get excited.

Tommy: Yeah, okay, so you're excitable at the moment. I don't know, yeah, I mean, I've used that before plenty of times.

Josh: Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Tommy: That was an effort. There was an effort at a word of the day.

Josh: An effort.

Tommy: An effort, there was an effort. Well done. Yesterday though, We had Stacy June. Yeah, Stacy June on the, on the potty, and that was great.

Josh: Our very first, um, guest interview where I wasn't in the room, and it went okay. Yeah, you did a beautiful job technically. I'm really proud of, um, how flawlessly that went from a technology point of view.

Tommy: Yeah, it sounded, it sounded lovely, and I, I was pulling my weight digitally, uh, yesterday.

Josh: So very good.

Tommy: Shout out to Derek.

Josh: We've got to be— yeah, I was going to say Derek from What Now, one of our fave podcasts, he did assist a little bit, but he wasn't there when it was recording. So that's the main thing. Nah, mate. You did it on your own.

Tommy: I'm not just, you know, I'm not a dumb dumb, mate. I know my shit.

Josh: You were gonna say pretty face.

Tommy: Yeah, I was. But then I realised that you, I mean, you're a wanker if you say it about yourself. 'Cause you just—

Josh: You can't win, can you?

Tommy: You just got tickets on yourself.

Josh: But if you got a pretty face, you might as well. But that's the thing, like, I think that the whole tickets on yourself thing was created by ugly smart people to stop people calling out their not just a pretty face sort of thing. I think embrace it. I think people— You're a good looking bloke.

Tommy: Half the time that people say, you've got tickets on yourself, they're probably either intimidated by you Or, you know, unless you're about to go into an Ed Sheeran concert and you've literally got the tickets on yourself. And you're Ed Sheeran, you've got tickets on yourself.

Josh: Well, I don't think Ed Sheeran needs tickets. He just, he wouldn't even need to wear a lanyard, I wouldn't think.

Tommy: So, nor would the guy from Harry Potter, Ron, 'cause he looks the same.

Josh: Good Harry Potter reference, people are gonna love that.

Tommy: So yesterday I did something on the episode that I've got annoyed at people for doing to me, and I did it to somebody. So I told a storey yesterday and I mentioned that, and if you listen to yesterday's episode, just a quick recap, Stacy was my radio co-host in Shepparton. We had a year together and we did some fun stuff and we got in a bit of trouble for one little thing we did. Where we basically got almost got stalking charges on a police officer because we did a thing called find the hot cop of the GV because we spotted a guy that was good looking in uniform.

Josh: What is the GV, by the way? Is the GV a shopping center?

Tommy: God, I say it like I'm back in the GV, the Goulburn Valley.

Josh: So, ah, okay, sorry.

Tommy: I just, yeah, the amount of times I said that per day just have made me think that everybody knows what the GV is.

Josh: And the Golden Valley is like a big part of land or some shit, like it's a big area?

Tommy: Yeah, Victoria's Goulburn, um, not Golden, Goulburn. Okay, um, Valley. So yeah, it's just a re— it's like a region of Northern Victoria. And, um, yeah, and so I then told the storey about how years later, after we got told that we have to stop this investigation into finding the hot cop because, you know, they're going to put charges the person's very uncomfortable and, you know, blah blah blah. I told the storey of how I met somebody that, that knew the hot cop, or that was a family member.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So I, I told it yesterday, and if you listen, I told it completely wrong because it never happened to me, and I'm not a liar, but I stole someone else's story. And pretended it was mine. I didn't even pretend. I was convinced that this storey that I told yesterday was my own storey and it happened to me.

Josh: Here's an opportunity. This is, this is a good thing about having a daily talk show. We can bullshit one day and the next day we can straight away mention our bullshitting. And you know what, you tell us how it actually went.

Tommy: It's innocent bullshitting because it's quite easy to steal someone else's memory and then pretend it's your own. So I'll tell— I've done— someone did this to me recently and I didn't even pull them up. I was like, you fucking idiot, that was mine. I did that, I did that. You're just basically claiming it. So I wasn't far off though. So we got told to stop chasing this hot cop. And then years later, it wasn't me that met this person. It was Amy. And I told her yesterday and she's like, that was me, you idiot. I don't know if she called me an idiot, but she said that, that was me. And then I was like, oh, what happened then? And the storey that I told was about 10% as good as what Amy's legitimate storey is. So get this, this is out of control.

Josh: Like the problem with when you copy stories, you end up butchering them.

Tommy: So how's this for worlds colliding? So Amy, I'll just relay it. I've got some storey beats here that I'll just run you through. So Amy used to work for an orthodontic clinic. She was the clinic manager. One of the dentists she knew was having his 30th birthday, and this was up in Sydney. Mine was Shepparton in Victoria. And she went to Icebergs, which is a lovely establishment for, you know, a party in Sydney.

Josh: Is that, is Icebergs, do they, is that the bar that's made of ice?

Tommy: No, no, no, that's the Ice Bar. That's, that's—

Josh: Okay, well, Icebergs is a great name for an all-ice bar, but all right, go on.

Tommy: It makes total sense. Total sense. But this is South Bondi. Oh man, it's like, it's unbelievable.

Josh: Less techy.

Tommy: Yeah, a lot less techy. I got very junky.

Josh: Actually, I actually think I know this. Is this the one that's got the view of the pools and stuff?

Tommy: Yes, it's above the pool.

Josh: Okay, great.

Tommy: Yeah, it's amazing. It's an outdoor swimming pool that's like filled with seawater. It's unbelievable. It's like, yeah, type in Bondi Beach and it comes up pretty much with icebergs. Anyway, so she was there and the doctor had lots of his mates there, and he grew up in Adelaide. And so, you know, he had heaps—

Josh: not close to Shepparton.

Tommy: No way.

Josh: And so people playing at home.

Tommy: Yeah. And so there was all these friends from Adelaide who had flown to Sydney for this 30th, and Amy started talking to this girl, and she said, oh, you know, my boyfriend, he's on radio in Shepparton. And then this girl said, oh, my brother's working in that area. One of the radio stations there was trying to find him. So, so Amy met this girl whose brother we were trying to find, and it turns out there was no stalking charges ever to be laid. He was just— people at the office were wolf-whistling him and just giving him shit, his colleagues, and he just he got really embarrassed and felt a bit uncomfortable and was just like, obviously said to the sarge or whatever, you know, this is, oh, this is a bit much, sort this shit out. And so yeah, it was this chance meeting at this party that Amy met this guy's sister. How crazy is that, man?

Josh: I think that it's interesting, the retelling of storeys and remembering them, and even how like when big things happen in your life, how you almost— when you've told a storey so many times too, you get really good at knowing all the different beats to it. Like even then you were just going through the beat like this and this and this. I love— like, that's one of my favourite things I think about telling a storey is when you've— and Bri, like poor Bri has to sit through every single retelling. The exact same inflection and then the big reveal. Yeah, like one of my favourite stories, very quickly, is, um, when I was probably about 16 years old and I was on a train. And, um, this, this actually happened to me, right? I was on a train. This was, you know, this is a few years after— this is probably 4 or 5 years after, um, September 11th, all that sort of thing, terrorism, all that sort of stuff, really on the mind. I think even when I think about trains and stuff, you know, people think when, when you're younger, you're like, oh, you know, avoid the trains, all that sort of thing. I remember the reason that I wasn't comfortable in trains is any sort of public transport. I feel like I was always a bit nervy, like, I wonder what if anything's going to happen. Anyway, I was on the train back, uh, going towards, um sort of Hallam, uh, train station. And, um, I was sitting down next to the window and I saw this guy with— was like a Woolworths bag. This is pre, um, yeah, pre having to force to buy it. So, you know, now, and he, um I saw out the side all these cables, wires, and it looked like some sort of explosive device. And he's walking through the carriage and he goes through the train door. Like, behind me is the train door to go to the next carriage. And as he goes through the door, there's an explosion and glass flies all over, over me and all the people next to me. Geez, and I was obviously— yeah, I freaked the fuck out. What turns out that happened was that someone had thrown a rock at the same time at the train at the window that I was at, and the explosion was actually the rock smashing the glass next to me. But because of the timing of him just going past and me thinking, that looks like a bomb. I thought that I was just in a fucking terrorist incident. And so they ended up— they turned, they had to stop the train, everyone had to get out and all that sort of thing. But I remember it was weird, it was like an old teacher randomly was there and he's like, oh, are you okay? I just had like glass all over me and I was just like sort of shaking it off. But, um, that's one of those storeys where I'm like, it's— there's a level of, um, deception because I still tell the storey as how I remember it happening and playing out. So rather than saying someone threw a rock and it hit, I say I heard an explosion. Yeah, and that is the art of storytelling, everyone.

Tommy: Well, I think you enjoyed it. Taking note, like having dot points of a story. Like, I think a storey Everyone gets better at telling the storey of something that's happened to them as they, yeah, as they get older, it goes on. But it's very easy to thieve someone else's. And so Fitzie, my mate, did this to me. We travelled the States for a month, we got up to a whole bunch of mischief, and, and he, and he, yeah, you just referenced something recently, and that's why I was like, I, I got a bit annoyed at him, but I didn't bring it, I didn't actually address it. I was like, all right, mate, you could have this one, you idiot.

Josh: Have you ever been— I feel like one thing that was a big worry growing up was, especially I guess in like the formative years, was anyone, any friend that was getting too much like you, like any friend that started sort of copying certain things that you would do. Like, did you, do you feel like when you were growing up that was a really big thing?

Tommy: Yeah, I remember the kids, but nah, I wasn't I definitely didn't. I remember kids who were copying me, especially this one kid, and he was like wearing the same pants as me, but it must— it has to have been a conscious effort on his behalf. Not that I— I mean, I probably copied my brothers and stuff, so it flows on, but it definitely— I didn't feel like I was copying anyone. So maybe actually, maybe don't feel like you're copying. Maybe you're doing it. Do you— are you— because I wasn't the copier. Were you the copier?

Josh: No, no, I just feel like, um, uh, definitely like if you've got your thing, especially if you're, um, if you're obsessed about certain things, I think that you can almost become a little bit defensive and like, this is my thing, like my thing. Like whenever your identity is attached to something in a big way. Yeah, yeah, I think probably within family dynamics too. I'm sure if I ever tried to make basketball my thing, my brother James would have just shut me down, just like, nah, super pity.

Tommy: There's such childhood— like, because I can't imagine what it would be like now. I mean, and the equivalent could be you go and buy the exact same car as somebody.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's literally what came to my mind, is especially those like estates that all the houses look the same and shit, would you be a little bit— how would you— I wonder how you'd feel. And if you've— I'd like to think of myself as someone who would give absolutely zero fucks to this, which is you get a new car in a colour or whatever, and then— oh, actually, fuck, here's one that is relatable to you, I think. Um, kid names. You've got a kid name that you want to use and then someone else decides to call their kid that name. Has that happened to you?

Tommy: Well, actually, this girl follows me online. She's like a blogger from England and I had— we had Bodhi and obviously we called him Bodhi and she would have been saying this stuff and then I saw that she had her baby and it was called Bodhi. But, and I, and totally she's not copying the name because I think, but, but it is one of those things, it's like, I wonder if she saw us and was like, oh, that's the name we're using, or something like that.

Josh: I mean, we've already spoken about the fact that Bodhi is Bodhi Jacket, or his full name Bodhi Valentine Jacket because he was born on Valentine's Day, is a very rooster, rooster-esque name.

Tommy: Definitely, it's, uh, he's set for good things and hopefully it's, um, yeah, making daddy some cash money.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it's got a bit sort of reality show. I could imagine him being on sort of a Geordie Shore or something like that.

Tommy: Let's hope not. Let's, um, I think we can aim a bit higher for Bodie Boy.

Josh: Okay, what? I don't know, I think he's probably got a similar trajectory to Axel Whitehead, also a very rooster-esque name.

Tommy: What, cock out on stage? You know that's what Axel did.

Josh: Isn't that— do you actually know? I feel like when we're talking at this level of celebrity, there's a good chance that you might be friends with them. Do you know anything about Axl? What is he doing now?

Tommy: I just looked it up. Axl Whitehead is an Australian TV host, singer, musician, actor. Not sure. Best known for video hits. In 2008, he released a studio album, Losing Sleep, debuted in ARIA Top 50. I don't know, where is it? Maybe if I type in where is—

Josh: so Axel Whitehead is a— he was on Australian Idol, right? That's where he got his sort of his start.

Tommy: Yeah, and then he was on Channel V, wasn't he, with someone else? He was like a—

Josh: it wasn't— didn't they just say that he was on the show that people watched on Channel 10? What was that called?

Tommy: I wasn't even listening to myself reading it.

Josh: It was like the, you know, the big one, the one that every— all the cool kids watch. Actually, the cool kids watch No, The Cool Kids. Oh, but he probably was on that. But no, I'm thinking of, um, what's the music show that was on Channel 10?

Tommy: Um, oh, uh, Hits, um, something Hits.

Josh: Uh, I was gonna say Hot Hits, but it's not Hot Hits. You literally just fucking read it in his bio. Can you press—

Tommy: I'll get back to it. Here we go, hang on. Uh, Video Hits. Yeah, sorry, idiots.

Josh: Video Hits. Yeah, I mean, right, like similarly to me not listening to Triple J Growing up, I didn't listen to, I didn't watch Rage, or I was too busy on Saturday mornings watching Simpsons on Fox 8.

Tommy: Oh, he's been just here, just a quick one. He's just been doing acting and a few movies, man. He was in 682 episodes of Home and Away. Jesus.

Josh: Fuck.

Tommy: His character was Liam Murphy.

Josh: Is he still on Home and Away?

Tommy: Uh, it was finished in 2013, but, um, okay, let's hope that Bodie is his own man and he paves his own way and, and, um, doesn't strip like his dad or get his cock out like Axel Whitehead up on stage. But, um, I mean, he's a very roostery name, very roostery. Now I think people are the people who keep their names close to their, you know, close to their chest and don't reveal them. And then that's going to have more impact if someone else pulls out a name within the friendship group. Because we were— we had decided, maybe it was, um, uh, you know, um, it was painted before he was even born, but we, we were like Bodhi Valentine jacket. And Valentine was because we knew he was born, going to be born second week of Feb. Well, you know, a couple of weeks into it. So we're like, great, we won't call him Valentine if he doesn't come on Valentine's Day. And sure enough, he came on Valentine's Day. So it was, uh, and we— and my point is, we were talking about Bodhi Valentine well before he was born. Yeah, like as soon as we knew that that was it, Amy came out with it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I said, that's awesome. Um, and I mean, the first preference was Tommy, Tommy Jack, Tommy James Jacket Jr.

Josh: Would you, would you have re— you would be a junior type of man? Would you, did you think about doing it?

Tommy: Yeah, I, I said it as a joke but half serious, and Naomi said no.

Josh: Oh, fully, fully serious. I could 100% imagine. So I guess the question is, when a junior comes on board, does that automatically make you a senior?

Tommy: Uh, yeah, I mean, if you were to— if, yeah, if you're just looking at, you know, name on a paper, I'm sure you have to write something like senior because they—

Josh: so you would actually literally put it on like, um, your passport, you would put senior at the end.

Tommy: Um, so my initials are TJJ and my dad's initials are TJJ. We always knew because there was, um a difference on the piece of mail. I can't remember what it was, but there was a way that I could always tell because it—

Josh: TJ, yours would have had master maybe?

Tommy: Yes, master, that's right. And so probably when you're young you work it out like that. But I mean, who's getting— how— who's getting mail really? I mean, unless you—

Josh: I mean, have you checked the PO box lately?

Tommy: I haven't. I'll go cheque it next week.

Josh: Bri asked about that.

Tommy: Yeah, I will cheque it. And there was We've— you've actually got more things for the Daily Talk Show than you have for your own personal lives.

Josh: So I'm excited because if it's personal life, it's just going to be bills. So I'm very happy about that. Talking about the, the name stuff, uh, one person who I mentioned probably 6 months ago, and you do know or you've worked in close quarters with Um, Hotdogs.

Tommy: Oh, you're going down a reality TV show nostalgia.

Josh: We're doing a bit of a where are they now.

Tommy: Where are they now? Hotdogs.

Josh: So what do you know on Hotdogs?

Tommy: Hotdogs, and correct me if I was wrong, he got kicked out of Big Brother Australia. Not sure what season.

Josh: Um, potentially did he do the turkey slap?

Tommy: Potentially for the turkey slap incident. Let me just write hot dogs, turkey slap incident. I might—

Josh: I think that was a big year. I think they got into the reverse canga where you would basically, you would sit reverse on the toilet to put shit on the toilet seat as it went down, which I don't know about you, but I think toilet brushes are one of the most fucking revolting things in the world. Oh yeah. So the joke's on them really.

Tommy: Um, so I've just— I can just say the incident caused Big Brother Up Late to be canned for good, with the Prime Minister John Howard calling the entire show to be cancelled. That was from the turkey slap incident. Let me just have a hot dog. Um, but, uh, she said you're running hot dogs, turkey, years ago. Big Brother, that hot dog incident, it was him. And so I think— yeah, I think it was. Anyway, he's now a, um Newsreader on radio.

Josh: Okay, yeah, I guess that's all you'll say now that you've sort of mentioned the turkey slap thing and really throwing him under the bus. So we didn't say his real name.

Tommy: I haven't even said—

Josh: well, actually, we did. First name Hot, second name Dogs, isn't it? Or it's his legal name. Actually, do you know what would be fun? I don't have my fucking computer here. You could do this. This has become the show where I'm directing you to do things on your computer. I feel like I'm fucking explaining Dad how to find his iCloud password, which I'll never be able to find because he doesn't fucking write it down. He doesn't have LastPass, and he shouldn't write it down anyway, but he should have LastPass anyway. Yeah, if you're listening. Um, no, you can— if you go to Trends, if you type in Trends on Google, you could do a search type in turkey slap into trends. Okay. And I'm curious to see the search history trends of turkey slap.

Tommy: All right, it's currently underway. Um, past 12 months, what would you like? What country?

Josh: Uh, I think— no, I think we want Australia. It'd be great to do over sort of a 10-year period if possible. Australia, it was long ago, it was like 15, go as far back as you can.

Tommy: Yeah, so there's 2004 until present. I'll do that.

Josh: Yeah, great. All right, so this is gonna be great.

Tommy: Oh, there was a big spike and it's, and it's, I'm talking like 5 centimetres on my screen compared to the others.

Josh: Wow.

Tommy: This is huge.

Josh: So I don't know if that's how you sort of measure graphs, but you know, I know, but I'm enjoying this visual communication.

Tommy: Yeah, so you've got like literally, you know, 0.5 of a centimetre up you know, a few little spikes and then bam, turkey slap, through the roof, July 2006.

Josh: Has it got like on the, um, x-axis, is there like a— does it— is it x-axis? Fuck, I'm really showing my stupidity. Is it— what does the— what's the graph say? Is there like a numbers?

Tommy: So yeah, so it basically runs from left to right down the bottom, January 1st, 2004, all the way to the side, which is pretty much—

Josh: what about that?

Tommy: I put mine at the top one and then it's just got And it's just got 4 lines going up, which are 25, 50, 75, 100. And so it's just, it looks like a heart pulse and it just goes up high when it beats.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And when people search turkey slap. So yeah, it says July 2006. Oh, here we go. Do you want related topics or related queries?

Josh: Yeah, go, um, related queries.

Tommy: Okay, related queries. The number one was Big Brother.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: And then number two, this was 2006, was it? When was the big spike?

Tommy: The big spike? The big— yeah, which was pretty much the only spike, um, in comparison. Uh, that was July 2006. Um, yeah, the The second query is, what is turkey slap? The third is turkey slap definition. But, um, yeah, so, oh, here we go. Then in related topics, this is one of my favourite segments, by the way.

Josh: I'm thinking about starting one called Describing the Trends. Yeah, and you basically talk through the process. Now tell me this last bit.

Tommy: Yeah, so related topics, number 2 is Big Brother Australia Season 6 Australia. I don't even know what happens if you click on it. Currently clicking on it, guys, and it'll probably bring up another—

Josh: the trend comparison maybe. Oh yeah, Trends is cool. If you type in Trends in Google, I think it's like trends.com— sorry, trends.google.com or something, or google.com/trends, whatever it is. Um, but, uh, yeah, you can compare different things. So you could do say, I remember, um, working at Envato, you'd do things like comparing WordPress growth with other CMSs. So you could see, okay, how is Squarespace doing versus WordPress? And using Google Trends is sort of a way of doing it, seeing relevancy.

Tommy: Yeah, that's pretty interesting. So yeah, it was definitely cemented into the, uh It was the word of the day. It was the phrase of the day in 2006, turkey slap.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It was probably done on the podcast.

Josh: Anyone in the US has probably never heard of it.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a bit filthy if it's, it's definitely filthy if it's used on someone that isn't your close partner that knows it's coming.

Josh: I don't know. But yeah, just something. Yeah, it's a, and it does have results, I'm guessing people have talked about it. Actually, do you know who, would have so much to say about turkey slaps. It's got nothing to do with the fact that I think he's a turkey slap kind of guy, but, uh, our mate Derek, who is the Big Brother expert, he would go every single year on like with a fucking tour group of fans. He was like into the Big Brother forums. We need to get him on maybe next week. We do a show with him. Yeah, let's do that. Let's— next week, let's do a show with Derek, um, from the What Now podcast, specifically about Big Brother.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So if anyone's got any insights into Big Brother topics, uh, interesting facts behind the scenes, maybe where you've seen hot dogs last, um, hi@thedailytalkshow.com.. And, um, maybe we could be one of the only in 2018 podcasts about Big Brother Australia.

Tommy: Yeah, I remember the fame that it brought. Like, early day Big Brother was like pretty, pretty crazy. It was, um, that made some people—

Josh: Chrissy Swan. Yeah, it's— who else?

Tommy: They're all—

Josh: just think about any heaps of examples, people working on radio.

Tommy: Um, what was her name? Uh, Michelle, uh, Sarah Marie. She was— did the bum dance.

Josh: What about the— oh, Galen, actually. Saxon. I'm pretty sure I was on Instagram and our mate Jez Khan was in LA and he did a storey about this dude who's like doing uplifting content, or he's like plant-based content, making a film about juicing. And the guy's name was Saxon, and he looked very familiar. I have a feeling that Saxon from Big Brother might in fact be, um, living in LA. We're not going to start a— so we don't want a similar incident to, uh, the police incident where there's any stalking charges. But, um, man, there's so many, so many topics. Gretel Colleen, like, yeah, how much of a big part of, um, you know, the Australian pop culture, was she? Or, you know who I started, um, following the other day? Uh, Mike Gold— Goldfield? Goldsmith? Gold—

Tommy: fucking Mike Goldman.

Josh: Goldman.

Tommy: Yeah, he, he was the voice.

Josh: He's got his own podcast now.

Tommy: For a while.

Josh: No, he wasn't the big— no, he wasn't. Maybe he, he, um You— maybe he got the job of that, but at the beginning he was always just the, um, the sort of the dude who would VO in between the bits. And, um, like, oh, this week on Big Brother, you know.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Oh yeah, fucking hot dogs, turkey slaps, Joanne, and got in a bunch of trouble.

Tommy: Stringing it all together. And then there was that famous incident of that guy who wore a thing over his mouth that was like, yeah, free the refugees. I mean, a bit before his time, um, to be really pulling stunts, which is probably— it was cooler back— it was cooler if you did it then. If you think about it now, everyone's trying to make statements, and he was a pioneer of making a statement.

Josh: It's—

Tommy: yeah, something.

Josh: I wonder where he is now.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: No, he's like, someone take off this masking tape, it's really tight. Do you think?

Tommy: Uh, yeah, no, probably. Um, I was thinking recently, and this is slightly off, but I think we definitely get Derek on just closing that up. Definitely, Derek, you're on next week. I know you're listening. Uh, we'll talk about it down in the cafe, right?

Josh: I don't know if he does listen every episode now. I feel like he's gone a bit quiet and I was listening to— I got this surprisingly jealous when I heard him talking on his podcast and he mentioned some other podcast by the ABC or something he listened to. He was like, oh, he said he did that on his way to work. I thought that's when he listened to our show and I got all a bit jealous. But anyway, go on.

Tommy: Yeah, people will drop off, Josh. It's inevitable. In the early days it probably—

Josh: when Derek drops off, I'm when Derek drops off, I'm throwing in the towel.

Tommy: I just realised how long we've been going and I don't wanna blow it out. I wanna be conscious of our time.

Josh: Yeah, I thought the, well, can you give us a tease for Monday? What can we expect on Monday? What have you, what are you gonna, what do you wanna say?

Tommy: I wanted to talk about being a kid is nostalgia. This is more of a hook for you, but it's something that I used to do. See, this is the problem with hooking. It's— I will probably end up not talking about it, and so I may as well just talk.

Josh: No point. Yeah, but just quickly say we're going to talk on Sunday. Okay, fucking tell me the storey now.

Tommy: No, I was just thinking this week, and I want to hear— it's just for some reason I had these feelings of being a kid, and I remember, you know, having nothing on and sort of like I was just remembering the time of not having the pressures of life being on. And I remember those moments where you'd get, you know, get a bunch of bit of naughty food and you'd watch a movie and you'd sort of sleep in. And just the thought of not having anything in your mind of what you needed to be doing or where your attention could be shifting. And it was just this weird thing where I had this moment of going, Fuck, I had those— that feeling flood back and I was like, I haven't had— and it's all my own doing, I know, but as you get older you lose that time where you like switch off to have a night to watch movies and like cuddle up with your partner and just not even think about anything else. I don't feel— and I felt, I felt it this week of that I had— that I, I haven't had that for so long. And it's probably not a good thing that I, you know, that I haven't. And so I was like, you know, when you— I think the closest thing for us now is like we sprint and do all this work and then have a holiday, and that's the time. So you, you've probably amongst this in some respects, but it's that real— and not even switching off, it's just a complete feeling of I actually don't have anything or anywhere else that I need to be. And that feels nice.

Josh: I think that part of it for me is unfortunately like so all my greatest childhood memories are wrapped up in food. So I feel like the only way that I could do that would be, you know, the closest thing I felt to that, this is really bad, but it's when I've been doing diets where I've had a cheat day.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: And I've just been able to fucking not, because I feel like every day, going from weighing 120 kilos to being like, you know, 85, or let's say 88 at the moment, 89, whatever the fuck this trip's done to me, um, not— let's say 90. Let's just, let's round it up to 90. I had a lot of margherita pizza. But, um, yeah, every single day I'm thinking about food. I'm thinking about like, uh, I've probably eaten too much here. I'm eating too many carbs, I'm not drinking enough water, I'm like just all that basic shit. And I think that like on a, on a cheat day where it's just like out the window, I end up feeling by the end of it a bit of shit because I go overboard. Yeah, yeah, I reckon so much of my happiness is tied up into how I see food, and if I could change that, I think that I could have way more days where I didn't get anxious about something or didn't get sort of frustrated with myself.

Tommy: Yeah, well, maybe we should have a thing, and it might be even like— as I think about, we could do it together where we— or with our partners, where we literally have to just have— we know that we've got nothing, and you're not allowed— not allowed to— it's a conscious weekend of just trying to remove any of that stuff that you— oh, we've got work that we need to do, checking emails, and I don't know, I hear heaps of people banging on about this shit, you know, set some rules. But yeah, I think it's—

Josh: do you know what I think the problem is? The problem is that as soon as— if Bree and I say we're gonna have a night where we just fucking chill out, we literally spend the night on Netflix trying to fucking work out what we're gonna watch. So I think that that's what was good about Blockbuster, right? You fucking— you went to Blockbuster, you picked the movie that you were gonna fucking watch, and you left. There wasn't like halfway through this movie, this fucking sucks, I'm gonna change it to something else. Yeah. And so I reckon part of the key to switching off is working out what the fucking film is that you're gonna watch beforehand, so we don't waste an hour and a half trying to work that out and have a solution so that the whichever way we're gonna watch Netflix on the TV just works every time. You don't have to be fucking fiddling with cables and turning off the Wi-Fi on and off again.

Tommy: Yeah, that's funny.

Josh: DVDs were easier lives. We— it was an easier time.

Tommy: We signed up for Stan and we're just gonna do it for a month. I mean, that's probably what everyone says, but it was a good shift from Netflix and having that problem 'cause there's things that you haven't seen, legitimately haven't seen. But that's—

Josh: Yeah, but it's like relationships. It will soon get old and stale like they all do. And then you'll have to find out ways of sort of spicing it up, maybe getting a new type of choc top or something to get you through the movies. The Groundhog Day, no, I'm obviously joking, but it's quite fun, I think it's quite funny. It's the day we talk to everyone.

Tommy: Hey, I got you, I knew I was trying to get in before you said it.

Josh: No, I think—

Tommy: I even tried with delay.

Josh: You still said it first.

Tommy: To time it before you said it and you still beat me to it.

Josh: Yeah, never try it.

Tommy: It's a daily talk show, everybody.

Josh: It's, uh, I don't like when you do it. Isn't it funny how we just fell into those, um, roles where I just sort of top and tail it?

Tommy: Oh yeah, I appreciate it. I did it in Shepparton and, uh, I just couldn't be bothered anymore, so I appreciate you doing it.

Josh: Yeah, I think maybe I just enjoy the, um the opportunity to— I don't know, maybe it's partly control freak, but also, um, yeah, no, it's— I'm just a control freak, that's all it is. It's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Send us your emails, especially on the topic of, uh, of Big Brother as well. Maybe we could, um, try and get someone. So if we do one episode, actually No, I'm going too deep. This is a problem. I tend to add layers. Yeah. So I started thinking, oh, well, fuck, there's Derek, but maybe there's Gretel Colleen we could potentially get. We could get hot dogs. And then I'm like, well, maybe once a week we do a Big Brother episode, but I think that's probably overbaking the topic.

Tommy: So, um, and, uh, hang on, I've got Mason who's 18 years old in the office at the moment. Mason, have you ever seen Big Brother in your life?

Josh: Yeah, recent seasons.

Tommy: Oh, the recent seasons. But so he would have no— unless we got recent people, like there was— yeah, he would have no— do you know who, um, Galen is? No, he's shaking.

Josh: No one knows who the fuck Galen is. That was a very— you were— you wanted to guarantee no on that one. Yeah, so you said Galen. All right, ask him if he knows. Okay, no, we won't fucking play that game. It's a daily talk show. Have a good one, we'll see you on Monday. Bye.