Tommy's got worms

Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 152.

Tommy: Tommy Jackett, half my man's back. Yeah, it's, uh You're still sounding a bit off. You're almost, I reckon, 45% of the way there.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You, uh, you really came down to a zero though. That was full on.

Josh: Yeah, I, um, we put out, um, an awesome episode, uh, with Mirta yesterday because, uh, yeah, I was too sick to be able to, um, to talk. We normally release them every Friday and then in— was it scenarios, we, um, we go live with one early.

Tommy: Was the straw that broke the camel's back B-Max, uh, message that I screenshot and texted to you? No, it said, I can't deal with this.

Josh: I reckon B-Max can't deal with it because I feel like him and I are starting to sound more alike. I feel like this is sort of B-Max shtick. He's got sort of that husky sort of cool voice. Yeah, yeah, but he's earned it from going out and, and, uh, partying Punches like a pack a day, is that what it takes to be able to do that?

Tommy: No, I don't think B-Mac— I don't think he smokes. He does not punch darts.

Josh: Oh, there we go. You can pretty much confirm. Exclusive.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think he does. No, he's a good man. Anyway, how are you feeling? A bit better, mate?

Josh: I'm actually— no, not really, not today, but that's okay. I am— we're in the south of France. I think it's probably the south, I couldn't tell you. What the— what was the city called? I'll tell you where, where we are. But basically there's like, um, mountains around us, which is really nice. We're just stopping over here, um, for the night. The main thing that I can say is that we're, um, we're in a place called Grenoble. Have you heard of Grenoble?

Tommy: Uh, nah, but I've heard of the South of France. And that's where you're heading? You're heading towards the water?

Josh: Uh, yeah, so we're, we're heading to, um, yeah, this is, this is the thing. I'm, I'm not really across too much. We've got two friends with us that we're travelling with, and I can't retain any information. It's not that I'm dumb. I think it comes across— it's almost like people with, um, dyslexia or things like that. People confuse what dumb is. I know that me not knowing this shit seems real dumb.

Tommy: But, um, yeah, well, I think he's in a— he's something you could meet a, a ditzy girl and you'd say, oh, they're ditzy because they're kind of like bubbly and, and, and friendly and sort of giggling and, and seeming— it doesn't mean that they're dumb if they're just ditzy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And maybe you just, you just been a bit of a ditz.

Josh: I am like, yeah, I think I am a bit ditzy. We could say that. Bit bubbly, a bit ditzy. Is definitely, I've never been called that before, but it's actually probably a fair description. What have you been up to? What's happening?

Tommy: Oh mate, I've actually said, "Fuck, I need Josh with me," a couple of times today. I've had a few tech mishaps and we haven't actually officially launched the tech segment run by the nerd himself, JJ. But I wanted to just run something past you 'cause I think people will be fascinated by this and I wanna see if you've ever had this issue. So I was on a shoot today, heaps of interviews and lots of, lots of gigabytes of footage that needed to be stored onto some hard drives. And so I, they bought a hard drive specifically for this job. And so I've taken it back to the studio where I am now. And I, and just before this call, just before this podcast, I was reformatting the drive, doing what you do, open it up, whacked it in, you go and, you know, go into Disk Utilities and you erase what's on there and format it for the computer. Anyway, so I did that and I thought, you know, like, I don't need your help for that yet, Josh. I've managed to get past that step. But I right-clicked on to the hard drive on the desktop and it said available space, which should say what, like just under a terabyte if it's terabyte, because they're never like purely, yeah, 1 terabyte. It said 380 megabytes. Okay, and I did it. I reformat— I formatted it again, and then I took it in next door to James and I said, bro, what the fuck? This is a 1 terabyte drive and it's acting like a 1999 USB. And, and he looked at it and he said, faulty. That's fucked.

Josh: Yeah, I think it sounds legit. Yeah, I had an issue. I don't know if I've spoken about it on the show, but, uh, there's a service called, uh, a website called Alibaba. And for people who don't know, it's like, you know, buying stuff specifically from places like China in bulk from manufacturers. And I nearly pulled the trigger back in about 2009, and they pulled the trigger on about 3,000 USBs because they were a really good deal, right? They were really inexpensive. And, um, this— I was just getting a couple of other quotes before I um, so pulled the trigger and a guy said was like 10 times the price. Like, I think I was— yeah, 10 times the price at least. And, um, I'm like, mate, you are taking the piss. And, um, well, Bree, just so you know, we've got video and Tommy's just here. Bree's just walked in with, with her towel. I think she's planning on getting changed, so maybe do it over on this side is probably the same. The colours of those towels, by the way, this is what happens with the Airbnb. Yeah. You get some interesting colourful towels.

Tommy: You get the, you get the dregs.

Josh: Yeah, but basically, long storey short, what turns out that was, um, happening was these people were selling me like, you know, 32GB USBs, and then you were to get them and they were only going to be like a few megabytes. So what— so they basically hacked them to make them look like they're 32 or even say 32 if you did get info. But, um, Yeah, it's, uh, but I don't think that's what's happened with you. I think that there's probably some sort of fault. Hard drives are these really complex things if you think about it, and, um, yeah, you just got one that's fucked basically. It's—

Tommy: and this is a Lacie drive, like these are high quality. It's probably expensive. This is what, $200, $250? Yeah, um, $200. Crazy. I've never had this, you know. I've never had, other than an old drive, um, that had some old, old footage on. That's the only time it started to get corrupt. It wasn't even a full corrupt drive, it was like I could pull off slowly some stuff, just little bits at a time. But I've thankfully— and I've started like a backup process now.

Josh: So there was— was there anything on the drive that you had to brand new?

Tommy: Brand spanking new? Oh, sorry, the old one?

Josh: Uh, no, no, it's just fucked up. Was that a new drive?

Tommy: Brand new, just literally opened the packet and whacked it in. And someone's gonna have to take this back to Officeworks. Yeah, someone. It is such a—

Josh: It'll be you.

Tommy: Someone, not me. No, I'm giving it back to them, but I've done them a backup just in case. So it's, um, I had a redundancy, but I'm thankful. And I need— I mean, what would have you done? Just said you're fucked?

Josh: Yeah, no, I just would have— yeah, no, I probably would have downloaded, um, there's some open source like drive sort of, um, software that you can run. I'm trying to think what, what they're called, but basically it will test the drive, um, as an extra level.

Tommy: But I, I think, well, uh, yeah, I did, um, pick up on a conspiracy theory, you may call it. James, if you're listening, because you probably don't think it's a conspiracy theory. It came from James.

Josh: Yeah, of course, the government did it.

Tommy: No, no, what he did say was that he thinks that, say, in a USB factory or maybe like where they're creating hard drives, that people are putting worms onto the drives. And, and then so, you know, if just Joe Blow gets home, wants to put his little family photos on his hard drive, and on goes a worm. And I don't know, I just have this I love the term worm because it just makes me just think of just this little thing inside your computer.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. All right, mate, I mean, I think mum's not getting the torch out. Has that ever really happened? Has your mum ever— are you kidding me?

Tommy: And if it— and if you have no idea what you— what we're talking about, it will make no sense, but if you know, you know.

Josh: Is this really— wow. Just like a torch. But do you actually have to look inside, or is it— would it be hanging out? Or you're looking for like worm bites?

Tommy: This is— you'll either love the podcast for this reason or hate it, but we're jumping from hard drives to looking in a kid's asshole because he's got worms.

Josh: That's literally what happened.

Tommy: And no, I'll just quickly tell you, my mum actually used to do that when I— my brothers too.

Josh: We Like a regular check?

Tommy: No, no, no, no. If we had worms, like, I remember having—

Josh: if we have worms, as if— the only thing I remember is having the fake chocolate that you'd eat. I think like dogs eat as well, probably.

Tommy: But we didn't have that. We, we had the orange tablets that were Vermox, and I just remember they were chalky but they were kind of sweet, so I kind of liked them. Um, but it was, yes, maybe a handful of times I had worms in my childhood. And, um, I don't remember the cutoff time of when I would not let Mum look in my ass. So what happens is you use a torch because a lot— so you use a torch and shine it at a bum hole and it brings the worms up.

Josh: Oh, fuck off! I thought you're not looking for them. So no, no, no. Oh no, that's fucking— keep going though. What?

Tommy: And, and so like, and when you say worms, they're like fucking minuscule things, like, but they do, they come to the surface. And I'm not— no, dude, I know you think I'm a big weirdo and my family's a weirdo for this, but I've spoken to other kids and their family has done it.

Josh: Like, how did that happen? Like, hey, did your mum do the thing with the torch to you?

Tommy: No, I probably just dropped it in like I, like I did. I see, I just threw it out there today because I was like, I just made the joke about the the worms in the, and the torch. And, and I, and you, and you laughed. I thought, I thought your family was, uh, perpetrators of the torch in the asshole.

Josh: Yeah, the, um, the only time, the only thing that I remember being weird was I remember my brother James, um, basically was chasing our dog because the dog was run away and he got on his bike. He would have been probably I don't know, my guess is he would have been like 13 or something, 12. Nolan bike. Yeah, exactly. But you know, he jumped on a bike and was riding down and didn't stop and slammed into the back of a truck. And then I distinctly remember us all gathered around as a family looking at his ballsack, which had a hole in it from the car, from the accident. But I don't know what's worse, like having a hole in your ballsack or having your two little brothers, your mum, and your dad all just like gathered around having a look.

Tommy: Dude, I think like I can relate so much more now to parenting things that my mum did because I'm now a mother. I'm not— you're not a mother? What the fuck? I've been up since 4 AM. So anyway, uh, I can relate because I, I think about the weird things that I do, you know, like even the storey on episode 150. Yeah, whose kid, like It's such a weird thing.

Josh: People loved that, by the way. We got multiple emails. Um, yeah, people could really relate or not relate, um, if you're Michelle, to the, um, to the dick biting.

Tommy: Yeah, so, um, I'll either feel really weird, like I'll feel like an idiot revealing this story, getting no email. So if you've ever had the torch situation—

Josh: yeah, actually, that's fair. Yeah, have you ever—

Tommy: you're gonna let me know, you guys.

Josh: Man, I feel like I should be talking less this episode because I don't want to annoy Baymak anymore.

Tommy: Uh, no, I think you're right. But let's get back to the worm in the hard drive. So you think, uh, I mean, I can see it being a possibility that they could, but I wouldn't understand.

Josh: It wouldn't be that big. Like, uh, it doesn't take gigabytes and gigabytes to fuck your computer. It takes a small file. Think about email attachments. So I don't think that makes any sense. I mean, one—

Tommy: okay, no, but not, not because of this hard drive.

Josh: He's—

Tommy: he just sort of segued into into, dude, did you know that this hap— this is actually going on? And so, I mean, it could just be a tiny file on a hard drive.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Tommy: Someone would have to be working on the inside.

Josh: Yeah, I think that, um, there was a big issue, uh, probably 2 years ago where people were finding USBs in their, um, letterboxes.

Tommy: Assholes.

Josh: Yeah, and they're assholes, exactly. Um, finding worms. No, they would, um, Uh, they would— and people would plug them in and it would just let a little electric zap and fucking fry your whole computer.

Tommy: Um, so what's the point of that?

Josh: Well, just people fucking with you. I guess it's the same as egging someone's house. But, um, one of the things that I thought was interesting, I saw— I, um, support a magazine called Offscreen Mag. I'm like one of the patrons or whatever it's called., and, um, they do an email newsletter and they just did an interesting— it's, um, just if you go to offscreenmag.com, you'll be able to sign up. But, um, they have a, um, they have a section like just sort of where they talk about cool tech products and stuff like that. But Google has, um, just sort of created an advanced protection programme which is— it says Google's strongest security for those who need it most. And what it is, is it's a, um, you know, two-factor authentication. Yeah, so for people who don't know, two-factor authentication is just like, rather than just requiring your password, uh, these services require some other way of authorizing, you know, authenticating that it's you.. And, um, that could be in a few different ways.

Tommy: Some ways banks are doing that.

Josh: Hey, so, um, you might have seen like maybe the early days of two-factor authentication. I remember anyway was, I remember probably 15 years ago people were having these little digital keyrings that like if you had a lot of money you could get one of these from your bank. And that would sort of, uh, reset and create new hashes or whatever the fuck it is. I'm way out. Oh yeah, yeah, but basically create that code that you need. And so as long as you had that key ring, you'd be able to access your bank anyway. Uh, Google have just created a, um, a USB, so you can buy— you can buy this USB and that becomes your two-factor authentication. So if you want to access Gmail, uh, or Google Apps, you need the USB into your computer. Do you think this is something you would use?

Tommy: A waste of time. I think I was immediately thinking as you were saying this, if it requires a piece of another piece of hardware, nah. I mean, this is the thing about mobile phones, you're getting your texts and that just makes so much sense.

Josh: Well, the annoying thing about the tech stuff is being overseas when you fucking need to, you know, redo, like, you know, redownload the ANZ app or whatever it is, and they want to send you one. So I've actually— I ended up buying Skype credit, calling the bank, getting them to change my number to the number that I had in Italy so they could then send the text messages.

Tommy: Fuck, that's, that's full-on. Yeah, I know that. I've, I've I have thought about that, going overseas with my number. And because it doesn't work— yeah, because half the time I've relied on, um, for the, like, my FaceTime and iMessage.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it doesn't get sent to an iMessage, it's a, it's a text message, normal text. Yeah, that's fucked.

Josh: Well, I mean, the thing, the thing with this USB thing, which is probably the stopper at the moment, I'm guessing— actually, I haven't checked, but if it's not USB-C, if I'm gonna need a fucking dongle for my MacBook Pro to use it, that's, that's a stopper for me. Like, absolutely no way.

Tommy: I saw, um, Rode Microphones just released a new product. Really? And what— no, it's a, um, it's, it's basically, it's for people who are making podcasts. I don't know who's using it, but it's to run 2 microphones, 2 lapel microphones into your mobile phone, and you can record each channel. Seems pretty cool, but it, but it's like, it's the same thing for, you know, the old iPhone point versus the new, new ones, like phasing out. It's like I've bought Rode products that you can't plug in even if you've got that adapter that Apple give you. I did it once and I was on a shoot. Luckily it was just backup audio. I had someone lapelled into my iPhone 7 Plus. Yeah, and it was cooked.

Josh: Talking about tech, I'm curious actually, um, how much I've been using my phone since we last, you know, we had that conversation. I feel like, because this seems like a bit of a technology episode, so let's just delve into the—

Tommy: and so last time what we did was we just checked the amount of hours within a 7-day period of how much we were on Instagram or what was the most popular apps that you were using.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So what you do is you go on an iPhone, you go to, I mean, Michelle, sorry, because I know you don't have an iPhone, you've already just tuned out. Yeah, so you last 7 days.

Josh: Yeah, you go like Settings, Battery, and then you click on Battery, like you'll see Battery Usage, last 7 days. Last time, what was I at?

Tommy: Oh, it was like 30 hours.

Josh: No, no, no, it was 16, I think.

Tommy: Was it 16?

Josh: Yeah. Fuck.

Tommy: All right, can I go first?

Josh: Yeah, go for Instagram because I reckon mine will be lower and I'll be—

Tommy: I don't know, you got to get a prize. Yeah, if, uh, if you are lower than me. Instagram, it's picked up since last time, 7.9 hours in the last 7 days.

Josh: Great.

Tommy: Followed by YouTube, 2.4 hours, and, uh, Facebook 1.2 hours.

Josh: I'm only 9.9 for Instagram now, so I've like made it. I think, um, now that we're with friends and stuff and, um, I've been doing a lot of, you know, the biggest factor has been driving. I've been dry. I drove heaps, um, the last couple of days in France, and, um, I just obviously can't be on my phone. It's the best way to disconnect.

Tommy: Wow. So I'm just pulled up last month's, my Instagram for last month. Fuck, I've picked it up. 3.7 for me, 3.7 hours, and yours was 16.7 hours. Yeah, so we've both— I mean, you've done better dropping. I've just shifted the platform that I'm viewing. I'm now looking at Instamore. YouTube was more for me last time. So interesting.

Josh: I wonder, like, um, this whole iPhone— like, I've been thinking about technology, specifically iPhones, MacBook Pros. It seems like what we're experiencing now, like, I wonder, is it like— it seemed like there's gonna be a big improvement at some point soon where all of this shit is just gonna seem so old school. Like, like the way that people are consuming podcasts, like, you might be in your car right now, you think about, like, if you're in your car, how are you listening? Are you listening through Bluetooth? Are you using like an aux cable? Um, I mean, like I was saying to a mate, the one car that I think that— like, I'm not a car person, but I think that when I own a house, at that point I feel like I'm in a good enough position to buy a nicer car. Like, at the moment we have an i30, which is through the company, but I can't justify spending more than fucking $20 grand on a car. When, you know, we spent like $15 grand on our car, like secondhand. I couldn't spend any more than $20 grand unless I fucking owned a house. Like anyone that's got like a $70,000 ute, like a flashy ute, you know, like people buy the fucking SS Commodore, like ute type things.

Tommy: Yeah, you've really singled it down to tradies now. So he's talking to you, tradies.

Josh: Very tradie specific. No, but I just feel like I need to, um, So my point being that when I'm at that point, I'd love to get a Tesla specifically. Oh yeah, because I just love the, um, minimal dash. I love the big screen. I love the idea of like fucking— I also like the idea of just it driving for me as well. That's nice.

Tommy: Uh, um, what's his name? Casey Neistat has one of those 4-drive versions, which are sick. That's like the white interior. But that dude's— he's, he's non-stop filming while he's driving.

Josh: So the white is— Bri and I saw that the other day. It's a bit bogan, I think.

Tommy: Is it?

Josh: I think so.

Tommy: It's, um, all day Auto Salon 2008. Do you remember that car, car show? You probably weren't into that.

Josh: Where was it?

Tommy: Oh, we used to go, me and the boys, we'd, um, we'd go to Auto Salon, which was just girls in bikinis on, you know, like that gross, just, just on cars.

Josh: Like, I love that you said, oh, fuck it, it looks gross. Just me and the boys were just like, I can't fucking believe this, James. I cannot believe this is disgusting.

Tommy: I did go to Sexpo as an 18-year-old kid, so it, um, Sexpo trumped the grossness.

Josh: Well, you were, I mean, you're a, you're a stripper. I mean, not then, that came after. But what is, what is Sexpo like? Is it a bit filthy?

Tommy: Ah, yeah, yeah, it's gross. I mean, but the half the people are there just as a joke.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then the other half are there because they actually just want to pick up a whip and go home and beat their partner.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And, um, and that's what they're into. And so it is each their own, but it's, uh, that doesn't—

Josh: that's— I don't think that's like— I don't see a problem with that at all. I think it's the— it's more the, um there's like a vibe that goes with it which I'm not sure about. Like, I think people who are just like fucking doing their thing, whatever, but I don't know, I wonder. I think like the actual industry, it's the industry around it that I'm not sure on. It's like the advertising. The same thing I feel with like vaping. Like when I see, um, like, like a vaping convention or even like a marijuana convention, it's just got like Las Vegas vibes.

Tommy: Yeah, well, you get the true subculture coming out if you're going to like a, um, you know, a BDSM. I haven't been to one, but like Michelle could tell us—

Josh: Michelle could tell us a bit about that stuff. But that's it. Yeah, well, I don't have an issue with any of that stuff. It's the industries around it that make it a bit fucking— like, I mean, I'd be, I'd be curious to ask Michelle about that, which is is when you're in that scene, it's maybe a little bit like, um, the— like, I watched, um, Hannah Gatsby's, uh, Netflix special. Um, I've just gone blank on the name. Um, Lynette, uh, no, not Lynette, something like that.

Tommy: Wynette?

Josh: No. Breezer, what's Hannah Gatsby's Uh, comedy special called What's for Dinner?

Tommy: Rich Olds? What are they?

Josh: She can't hear me. Lynette, what do you call that? This is what Google's for. Nanette. Nanette. Thank you, Nanette. That's right, say thank you to myself. Anyway, um, she talks about how the— like, watching, uh, Mardi Gras, that she was talking about how like gay culture is like very out there, and she was sort of talking about the fact that she was like, where do all the introverted gays go? Yeah. And so So I do wonder about that, where it's like within these cultures, these subcultures, is sexpo just the loud, obnoxious version versus the reality of what they are?

Tommy: So they just— this just reminded me, uh, have you heard of, uh, is it Picasso or the dude that paints portraits with his penis?

Josh: Oh no.

Tommy: And so he's called prick arso, Picasso. Get it? Get it?

Josh: Yeah, I get it.

Tommy: Anyway, it was the most sad— so when I was working on, um, the Matt, Matt Tilley's radio show, yeah, KISS FM, making the— creating all the digital content video stuff, this is probably 3 and a half years ago now, he came in and was doing a portrait of Matt Tilley, and I was— or I had to film it and I— and it was, it was, it was so sad. It was so weird. And you know, like, you've been in situations where you're filming stuff, so it's like you've got a bit of a safety blanket, which is the camera, and you're just doing your thing. And so I, I actually made quite a good video out of it, but I— but like, you're fully seeing this dude dick.

Josh: He's got it. Do you have any rules? I had a, um, when I was working at the radio station— I mean, for people who aren't aware, radio stations can be very radio stunting. I remember, um, we did a stunt where Fifi, one of the hosts of the show, was in a blackout challenge, basically where she takes off her blindfold and she's in a situation and you have to do whatever's sort of there. And she was in a, um, Brazilian Butterfly, which is like a, um, place to get waxes and stuff, and she had to give someone a Brazilian wax. And, um, so it was a chick. And so what they did was they're like, okay, we'll get a female to film it. And, um, so the brief was for the females, like, try and like avoid the parts or whatever because it'll make it easier to edit it together. What she didn't realise was there was a fucking mirror. So I— so this— and it's just like right across, so you just see everything. And so I remember being instructed to, hey Josh, we need to blur out that whole shot, but do you mind just doing it a bit later when everyone goes home so you don't have that on your screen? Which is outrageous really, isn't it?

Tommy: And, and you could fully see—

Josh: yeah, you can see it. So yeah, the blurring was, um, an important, uh, element to that. But I wonder if that would even fly. Do you think that that sort of content would even fly? I mean, that was 2012. Um, do you think that would fly today?

Tommy: Uh, yes. I, I mean, what you see, what I see now, it's— there's only so many ideas. Yeah, you can have.

Josh: Um, well, I'm literally like saying so many, like having been in radio only for a year, you just see the same shit recycled over and over again. The classic one is the co-host, the female co-host gets the male co-host to wear a pregnant belly, and they get someone from a company that comes in. I'm sure that this is the company's only industry, is dealing with radio stations that want to do this stunt, but they basically put these electric thing shockers on that give you the feeling of contractions.

Tommy: That's right. Didn't Jules Lund have this?

Josh: Yeah, Jules did it, but I've seen like half a dozen shows since. Yeah, yeah, just like, um, and I almost like, oh my God, they filmed it the same way. This is, this is crazy. I guess that that's the, um, that's the only concern I have with doing this show is it's just like I don't want to pander to any of that shit, like doing any stunty shit. I mean, I know, I know we did a live show from Krispy Kreme's and I stand by that being a fucking great idea. But, um, yeah, you don't want to, um, you don't want to just be rehashing the same shit.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, but I mean, stuff works. There is, there is a point at which stuff works. But I think when you have a show like ours where we can push the envelope slightly, not to just offend people, but to do something that will potentially flop, which is where we'll probably find some brilliance. And it's, um, I heard one on the radio this morning On the way to work, on the way to work. Yeah, it was, and I thought it was clever in its simplicity. And it was this woman had lived in this house for 16 years and still didn't know her next-door neighbour's name. And so the radio show called, found her number. They said, oh, we found in the White Pages, whatever. They found the number and called, and they had to guess before they called what her name was. And then they got her they said, um, she said hello, and then based on what her voice sounded like, they just said a name. And then she said, oh no, that's no, no one lives here that name. And then so they've spent this week just like taking people's guesses and working out what her name will be. And they're never allowed to ask her a name though.

Josh: I mean, it's pretty funny. I get that being pretty funny. The, the interesting, simple, I do enjoy just keeping up to date with radio stuff. Like, as we've talked about, it's like this little world in itself. And, um, I listen to the Radio Randomly podcast, which is done by a radio guy in Australia called Gondi.

Tommy: And, um, shout out to Gondi. He's on the text with him yesterday.

Josh: Oh really? Just the, just the radio circle jerk continues.

Tommy: I've known Gordie for years.

Josh: Oh really? Where'd you meet Gordie?

Tommy: Yeah, in the radio circle, Jack.

Josh: Did you at least know his name when you were—

Tommy: yeah, I did, I did.

Josh: Um, no, he interviewed, um, Ben and Liam, who were these two dudes who were doing Triple J Breakfast. And, um, I have never— I've listened to probably less than a single song of Triple J. That's how much Triple J I've listened to in my life. Um, And it wouldn't have been a full song because I'm pretty sure when I put it on, it was some doof doof track that went for 8 minutes. I think I probably cut out in 3 minutes 30. But, um, it was fascinating hearing those guys who started on community radio and, um, how fucked up it was them going on to Triple J and just how much they would get slammed. And they, um, they sort of became even, um, they became well known for doing the thing last year on Are You Okay Day, which is all about mental health, where one of the guys sort of did a bit of a monologue about his experience and how fucking people doing like hipsters doing death threats because their favourite Triple J breakfast has changed. That sort of shit.

Tommy: And they're probably vegans that are against killing animals. Yeah, they're threatening the lives of a human.

Josh: It's either that or they've got their, um, their SS ute and they're just angry about the repayments and they're letting it out on Triple J. Oh, classic.

Tommy: I'm gonna head to a dinner, mate, but—

Josh: Lovely.

Tommy: I've actually enjoyed having a conversation with someone who sounds slightly more like Josh Janson.

Josh: Yeah, I still sound shit. I still feel like I, yeah, for whatever reason today I've woken up still not feeling great. But thank you for all the emails. Word of the day, Uh, this comes from, uh, Russ Keys, uh, and the word is— you ready for it? Uh, yeah, it is efficacy. He said, um, my boss used to say this, uh, to me all the time when I started my first job. You could see that if it is— you could say that it's burnt in after all these years. In a sentence, it's, Josh, I need you to institute and efficacy, what do you think it means?

Tommy: Something around this, it'd be like the morals of a business, um, the morals around— it might be a descriptive word for a set of values or morals. That's what I'm going with.

Josh: I thought maybe like efficiency or something, like I sort of went in that like—

Tommy: yeah, yeah, well it could be, yeah, the like you— we stand for our value is efficiency or something. And so anyway, what is it?

Josh: Um, capacity for producing a desired result or effect. Effectiveness, I guess. So it's like effectiveness, efficacy.

Tommy: Yeah, there we go.

Josh: It's a daily talk show. Also, thanks, um, to Samantha. She's at episode— she's currently at episode, I think, like 105. So she'll probably hear this in about 2022, but, um, when she does, uh, thank you. All right. Sam, for listening. We appreciate and enjoyed, uh, your email. Cool. Thanks, guys. Talk show, everyone. We'll see you tomorrow for another episode. Catch ya.