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Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 142. Tommy Jackett, what is up, mate?

Tommy: I, uh, this is a bit of a hype builder for the show, but we were talking just before we started about some exciting shit that we got going on. And yeah, it, um, it makes me want to do two things: go and take a poo, but it also gives me shivers. Like, I get cold, and it is cold here in Melbourne while you're in, you know, summer of Europe. But do you get that when you get a bit excited? You start getting a bit like a bit cold and like, is that happening?

Josh: Yeah, a bit, a bit out of body experience, a little bit sort of tingly. Type of deal. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And this is one of those first times where there's— it's the reward comes a little bit later. Yeah. Like I'm always someone who I like to bring the reward sooner. And this is one of the situations where we've planned something out that's a little bit far. And so, it's hard to talk about it in a public space because it feels like we've got still a long way to go.

Tommy: Yeah, and the more the reason we don't want to talk about half the stuff that we're going to do is because if it falls through, we look like real dicks.

Josh: Yeah, well, yeah, well, it's also, it's just that thing of you don't want that to be the thing that people listen for or are expecting. It's, um, it's, it's a nice bonus. There is a nice reward to waiting, which I'm normally fucking terrible about.

Tommy: I saw something that was very funny and I thought, you you would get a giggle out of this. So we had Jack Post on the show, who is the co-host of the Christian O'Connell Breakfast Show. And shout out to Jack, he was on episode 90 of the Daily Talk Show. But I just saw on their Facebook page, they posted a video and I just saw someone had written a comment in the comment section, woman named Susan. And she says, is it just me Or is the podcast having issues? And that got my interest as soon as I saw that. It was followed by, sounds like it's really speeded up and hard to listen to. What has she done there?

Josh: Yeah, she's double tapped the speech programme like 4 times.

Tommy: But I thought it was good to inform you.

Josh: Did she write speeded up as well?

Tommy: Yeah, she wrote speeded up. I realised the situation as I got as I got to there of what she'd done. She's accidentally hit the double speed, but Campton, James, who listens to this show, he started listening to all these podcasts in double speed. And he reckons that now he—

Josh: Fuck, that's one thing that Campton doesn't need. I feel like it's just like, I can imagine him on the road listening to us right now. Fuck it, he's already pretty tweaked. He doesn't need anything else.

Tommy: But what I thought, if we, let's just, for the next 30 seconds, increase the speed at which we're talking, which would really stuff him up because now he's listening to us in quadruple speed?

Josh: I find it very hard to the point where I can only say one word quickly.

Tommy: So anyway, let's get into our first discussion of the day— No! Stop that. But that would have really stuffed James' double speak.

Josh: I actually did it though. I did that exact thing trying the 1.5x but the concern that I have is that doing this show and listening to other shows, I'm wary that some of the styles can sometimes rub off on me. So, for instance, we spoke about it earlier on, on a previous episode about me listening to shows where it's only one host and how they sort of get a bit monologue. They obviously by design, it's a little bit more sort of a monologue. And I was worried that all of a sudden I'd start becoming a little bit like that. And it's the same with the speed, is I feel like if I constantly listen to everything at 1.8 or 2 times the speed, then I'm going to start thinking everything else in the world slower and I'm going to start speaking faster.

Tommy: Yeah, it's— I've tried it. 1.5 speed is probably about what I, what I can cope with before it, you know, sounds outrageous.

Josh: Yeah, being on holidays, I can listen to so many more podcasts.

Tommy: I know you've been texting me all of them.

Josh: Yeah, it's probably— what does it look like from the out— outside? Getting all my messages and stuff is a bit manic. Yeah, what's—

Tommy: what makes me feel like— it makes me feel, uh, or understand how sort of cemented in your own life and work and this busy existence when your mate isn't in that, which, I mean, that's why you're away. You're having a sort of a pause and a reset from, from your life while having a great time and experiencing a whole bunch of other stuff. But I can definitely feel like you're sending me this stuff, and I, like you said before, oh yeah, um, you've been messaging me like obviously late, and I just haven't looked at them, and but then I've forgotten about them. So you've just got a whole bunch of time on your hands that you're sending through these thoughts, but it's great.

Josh: There's so much of the blue bubble on iMessage. It's one of those things where it's like, and I'm the kind of mate that doesn't need to hear back from someone. I'm happy to have the monologue, just like on the podcast where I'm just like writing. I'm just like, you know what, this is at some point, although you're still getting messages, right? Is that BMAC?

Tommy: No, that was Lawrence from The Office. Okay. Update in Melbourne, Um, and I know we've, we've spoke— I feel like we've spoken about this quite a bit, but it seems to be a big thing here. It's sort of bubbling on social media, and it's the, um, the Coles and Woolworths banning the bags and charging 15 cents— banning free bags and charging 15 cents per bag. Coles have done a backflip and they've just confirmed that they're not going to be charging for the bags ongoing. How crazy is that?

Josh: Oh wow. So, they're just giving out that, but surely, but the point would be that they've got to be reusable. So, the risk in not charging is that people are just, I know my lazy self would just be like, man, I would just be treating them like the bags that I would be getting normally and I'd end up with 100 of them.

Tommy: 100% and that's exactly right. I mean, they're pretty thin, they seem a bit stronger than the old ones, but it's, yeah, they've completely done a backflip. And but what I kind of thought about this whole thing was people— it's, it's funny like how there's this, this groundswell, um, in something that shifts and people get on board with either having an argument or sharing their opinion. Like I see how News.com, they posted on Facebook and their status for the, um, the the news article was, "You get a bag, you get a bag." It was like the Oprah saying, "You get a car, you get a car." But I was like, you're trivialising something that, I mean, it's kind of important. Like obviously Coles have had to—

Josh: And is that the media's responsibility? Like, is that their role to be doing that?

Tommy: I don't think, I don't think.

Josh: Or should they be editorializing?

Tommy: I don't think a news outlet, and I get it, they're trying to keep up with these.

Josh: And it's news.com.au.

Tommy: Yeah, but I mean, they're still one of the leaders in distributing any kind of news in Australia online. And so I was like, that is such a fucking poor, poor offering of what you guys do, jumping in and trying to make, trying to get an Oprah reference and trying to be a bit funny and get a click out of it. When obviously Coles have, this is a huge backflip that they've done. Like massive that they've crumbled. And so this is what people are now— the angle is, well, if you're going to crumble on that, what are you ever going to stick to and grow a backbone and all this shit? So it's, it's interesting. It's, um, it's kind of like the Obike phenomenon. It was— it's like the bag phenomenon. It's like zeitgeist things that happen and just bubble. It's, it's, uh, water cooler talk.

Josh: And this is the thing, right? When you're away, being in Capri right now, the level of like looking from the outside in, you see these things and you're like, just how small that like when we're in these worlds, like we create these little worlds, don't we? Where it's just like we get behind this stuff and we talk about it and it seems like such a big thing. And then you only have to like move a little bit further away and you realise it's like, fuck, like, how are we having— how is that becoming such a big topic of conversation?

Tommy: I guess it's— it definitely shifted what I've been doing. Like, I just have been deciding not to get one and just carrying shit, or just— yeah, it's, it's definitely— it will definitely change a percentage of people, but then there's still angry gronks that will be pissed off about having to spend any more money.

Josh: Yeah, it's good from an environmental point of view, you know, making that sort of shift I think is good. I think I was looking on, um, on social media with the, uh, there was that guy in Frankston that fucking king hit. Oh yeah, did you, did you see that video?

Tommy: I didn't see the video, but I saw people posting.

Josh: So in short, a guy king hit someone, which Just a stranger on the street, this 40, 43-year-old I think he was, was walking along just minding his own business. And then this guy with, he's got two other, two mates with him. Yeah. Just fucking hits him, smashes him in the face, knocks him down.

Tommy: He got off on, so he didn't get locked up for it, which was crazy. It was like unprovoked. But dude, what I said, the first thing I saw of that was someone had created a meme, want of a better term, like a photo of his face and the concreting business that he has and the number. And so they, he gave out this guy's number. And so people were just jumping on, imagine the people calling him. It's crazy, the sort of shaming or the public retribution, that's not the right word, but like what comes back on you. I mean, and I'm not saying it's unwarranted, but it's like, it's crazy. If you fuck up, it's going to be public these days.

Josh: Well, I think that it's the, you know, the public is now trying to bring, you know, take some sort of control and they're seeing something that seems unjust, which is the fact that he's just still walking on the streets because it's super upsetting. It's like, I'm not one to really get into the news cycle or, you know, sort of join in on that conversation. But when I saw that, it definitely— I was like, what can I do? I want to do something. Because it was one of those, um, it was, it was just one of those things where you're like, if this was allowed, if this was a thing that kept happening in society or something that we accepted, it would be a pretty dark place.

Tommy: It's, uh, I mean, there's many things at play here. I was just thinking, uh, news.com.au, friend of mine Cam, he posted like this outrageous article that was written by them on Elon Musk, and it was beating him up for something that he'd done. And then the next day they posted an article about Elon Musk, and it was a really positive one that was like outlining, you know, 5 steps to being a billionaire, or 5 Things a billionaire does. It's like, I mean, it's like a bi— It's like your mate with bipolar who's just having a go at someone, the next minute, "Oh, he's great. I love that guy." Yeah.

Josh: It's difficult because I don't know what the answer is. I think that especially with the rhetoric around what Donald Trump has been speaking to, it's around journalism and sort of anti— A bit sort of anti-journalist. At the moment, it's also a bit dangerous because I see myself falling into that, like eye-rolling a bit, almost putting, you know, journalists in the same category as politicians or stuff like that, where it's like, ah, you know, what's the bullshit they're going to spin here? But I then, upon further reflection, it's like I really respect journalists and they play such an important role in society. And so I think that the risk is that with the, you know, the BuzzFeed-esque nature of the way media is going, they're actually like— they— it's a bit of a disservice. And when they do things that are sort of real clickbaity or that are too sort of bringing their opinion into news stories, I don't know, it's— it— I think it's risky.

Tommy: I mean, the essence of what it meant to be a journal— journalist is either shifted or, you know, the definitions change because it's— yeah, there's so much opinion within journalism these days, which is not what original journalism was originally based upon. It was all facts and, you know, statements backed up.

Josh: I mean, I think that the, the thing is that it's a, um— I think that because of the, this the news cycle being sped up, it's meaning that they're having to produce more stories, that there's a higher pressure not to deep dive into things. And I think that that's where the risk is associated with it, which is, you know, when you're building storeys through Twitter, it's that sort of garbage in, garbage out. They can only be as good as their sources. And I just even look on Instagram in the comments of, say, CNN posts, And there's so much negativity, especially within the sort of the political landscape in the US. People are super, super critical of mainstream media.

Tommy: What time is it where you are right now?

Josh: It's 3:25 in the morning here in Capri.

Tommy: So early. That's—

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Pitch black outside. Is it? Feel like the depth of the night, or is it summer and just getting a bit light?

Josh: No, it's not light at all. So, I took up your suggestion and we booked a boat trip.

Tommy: Sick.

Josh: In Capri. I think it's like, it was a private one. It might just, I have a feeling it might just be brain eye. That's sick. We got really lucky with the bed and breakfast that we stayed at. He has like a 9.8 rating on booking.com, which is really, really, really high. And, um, he basically, um, like for Capri, we like— it's super cheap. I think it's over 2 nights, I think it's about $500 for the 2 nights, so it's about $250 a night, which is a lot. Like, that's our like peak end when it comes to, um, traveling. We're probably averaging around $120 a night around Europe. Yeah, but for what we get. Like, it's amazing because he's— this guy Marco sits down with us and is asking us all these questions. He grew up in Capri, so he's saying, yeah, what do you want to do? Here's some great restaurants, I'll book it all in. We have him on WhatsApp, so we're just like— and it's not even using Airbnb or anything, it was like a bed and breakfast through Booking.com. But he was saying how he was actually like, oh, I would actually love to take you guys out on the boat. Because initially when I said to him, I was like, I really want— I want— we want to do some sort of boat trip. He said, okay, cool, yep, they can pick you up at like 10 AM. And I said, oh, is there like a sunrise option? He's like, that would actually be amazing, no one ever asks or does it. But he was saying that he's got a boat and he, he was saying that He would have loved to take us out, but there's all like insurance risks and stuff, and he could potentially— He's got a parking spot for his boat, which his grandfather had given to him, and he'd paid it in the old currency. So, it's way, way— Like, he pays way less per meterage for his boat car park. And if you get sort of caught with, say, taking people, you know, tourists out without the proper licences and stuff, you can basically be banned from having a spot for 10 years, so he just can't risk it.

Tommy: And so, what is he doing? He's got a mate or something?

Josh: Oh, so, he's just booked through a tourist, like a, like obviously a company that he knows or he's just sent on WhatsApp. He's like, be down at the port at 5 AM and, yeah, there's going to be a guy named Antonio. It was like a little bit initially, he was like, oh, He said it's going to be around— before we said all the sunrise thing, he's like, ah, it'd be about €250 or whatever to do it, to do the private boat thing for 4 hours. Because he was like, if you do 2 hours, basically every hour after 2 hours is way cheaper.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So basically you'd be paying like €180 for the first 2 hours, and then it's like way cheaper just to tack on a bunch. But ended up being for sunrise, it was like $320. So, it's a splurge. Yeah. But—

Tommy: Oh, you love it. They give you food? Breakfast?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about— I don't think like— Definitely water and stuff. I don't know about like a huge amount of food, but we're straight— They're going to drop us off. He basically suggested there's a blue— What's it called? The Blue Grotto. What's— Yeah, the Blue Grotto. Thank you. The Blue Grotto. So, they're dropping us off there. He said basically rather than Most tourists, what they do is they sort of just boat around and then go where they sort of took off. But what he was saying, he's basically given us a whole itinerary where it's like, get off here, get a bus here. He's going to book sort of a car for us from a restaurant and all that sort of thing. So, but you're right.

Tommy: I feel tired just thinking about what you're doing.

Josh: Man, it is one of those things where you don't want to be doing this every single day just from an exhaustion point of view.

Tommy: Yeah, well, imagine Amy, she was doing this shit when she was 8 weeks pregnant and feeling horrible, and we were on our honeymoon. She was still just making sure that she was getting in some, some kind of a honeymoon. And she— we chose not to go to the, the grotto. We ended up going from Sorrento around to Positano and Amalfi Yeah, which was cool, but fuck boats and being pregnant, not good.

Josh: What time of year did you guys go?

Tommy: It was there this time, July, June, July, July and August. Yeah, so it was around this time. It's so hot. Europe is stinking, stinking hot at this time.

Josh: Well, that's been one of the, the one problems that I'm facing is the, the washing situation.

Tommy: Well, you're stinking. You finally, yeah, it's bit you on the ass wearing a t-shirt for 4 months straight.

Josh: Well, the t-shirt you'll see that I'm actually wearing my lighter, this is my lighter grey t-shirt that I'm wearing. This is the same like merino wool. Oh, yeah. I didn't like the lighter colour as much, but I've sort of been forced to hang up the other, I'm sort of air, like allowing the other ones to breathe by sort of hanging them up over some chairs to see if I can get the semi bit of smell out of them. But that definitely has happened where I'm I'm at an all-time low. I'm sort of really, when it comes to washing, I've made the mistake of, I think I had one pair of undies or whatever that I had tried to wash or something like something, or I may have gone in the water with them. Something happened where it's got like the foulest like water, like, you know, the water smell. Sort of thing to them. And so I'm trying not to mix them. I'm sort of initially, Bree's like, should you just chuck them out? Like, are you gonna even be able to like wash them?

Tommy: So hang on, how— when was the last time you actually did, uh, laundry?

Josh: Laundry would have been, uh, laundry— Serrano. So when we were in that mediaeval town a week and a half ago. Yeah, it's about 2 weeks ago. Jesus. Yeah. So, we're just very low, but I found like, luckily I found a pair of sockets and a pair of undies, which is sort of laying as if there's some sort of royal offering.

Tommy: Mate, go barefoot. Just go barefoot on the boat. You don't need shoes. Oh, no, you got to take them.

Josh: I'll bring the shoes.

Tommy: Yeah, take them.

Josh: I'll bring the shoes. Yeah. But they said bring bathers and so, I'm really hot, like if I'm really hoping we get to jump out and go and swim in the water and shit.

Tommy: You will, yeah, you'll be able to jump off the boat. The best thing about over there is like there's fuck all sharks. And yeah, like, we can't— like, tourists, I mean, unless you're from South Africa, Australia is pretty epic when it comes to just like— I'm— I'd be more scared to just jump off the side of a boat in, um, even in like the harbour or like just off the coast because there's sharks. There's great white sharks, fuck those things. But over in Europe, like you can just swim, I was swimming, it's amazing, this beautiful fish. I'm sure there's a chance of getting nipped by something, but the water's too warm. The big bad sharks don't like it.

Josh: Well, the only thing is sharks tend to come out, like I feel like this time, like early in the morning in Australia anyway, it is the time not to be in the water.. But my guess is that, yeah, like I think you're spot on. I think the risk of a shark attack, if I get attacked by a shark in Capri, the worst thing that will happen is that I'll end up on news.com.au with some sort of funny headline that they'll be pushing on Facebook. It's, "You get a shark attack and you get a shark attack." Mate, you'd be recreating that scene.

Tommy: You'd be standing off looking majestic with your hair. In the wind, just stinking. Josh Jansett was bitten in Capri.

Josh: Yeah, man, the, um, would be doing a whole sort of promo tour going around Australia talking to schools.

Tommy: Mate, if anything, it'd be good for the podcast. Uh, it would probably— you'd be on Casey Neistat's vlog, uh, like that Australian dude that got his leg and arm bitten off.

Josh: Yeah, man, I'm already working out the, the new Ray brand. It's gonna be great. That guy was ripped, by the way. He was what, like a Navy SEAL or whatever?

Tommy: Yeah, he was— well, he's an Australian. He was in the Navy in Australia, and a friend of mine who was in the Navy worked alongside him. And yeah, he was diving and then lost— if you don't know who he is, I can't remember his name, but he lost his leg and his arm, bitten by a bull shark in the Sydney Harbour. While he was down doing some diving training stuff. Crazy. But the thing he said was, if you're gonna lose one of them, take the leg because the arm's the annoying one.

Josh: Take my leg! Screaming as it's like trying to attack me. My leg! No, that's my arm, dude!

Tommy: I saw on Facebook yesterday the most crazy thing. A woman was— a woman fell into a polar bear enclosure.

Josh: What? I think you fell into a polar bear—

Tommy: fell into a polar bear enclosure. And the worst thing is that I judged— I judged her because she was like overweight and couldn't— couldn't hold her own body weight on this fucking rope that these people were trying to pull up. And so she kept falling in. The polar bear was grabbing her ass and ripping her, and she ended up surviving. But I was like, God, one re— one time that you probably wish that you did your chin-ups was the time that you're trying to get away from polar bear. Crazy. But yeah.

Josh: It's funny, the thing with animals attacking humans, it's horrifying to watch, but I feel like I remember laughing out of shock when hearing the lady that was calling up the 911 when she— When she had, I think she had a pet chimpanzee.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, this is bad.

Josh: And it was, yeah, like it ripped her face off. Yes.

Tommy: That was crazy. And she survived it. Unbelievable. But she lost her whole entire face. I mean, you don't want to have a monkey as a pet. This is, people have fucking lost it. That's the thing.

Josh: I can't help but like, I mean, it is absurd. It's disgusting to laugh at that sort of thing. And it's not funny at all. But there is something where it's like humans doing dumb shit, especially with animals, where it's like, oh, fuck. Like, it's almost like watching— Like, is it that different to watching Planet Earth? You know, where they're fucking— The animals are killing other animals. I guess when the animal's killing a human, it's real fucking— If you enjoy that shit or you think it's funny, you're a bit fucked, a bit tweaked.

Tommy: Well, it's like the— over in Dubai and all the rich people wanting to purchase.

Josh: Yeah, like crazy animals. Yeah, they're gonna— yeah, it's, it's a horrendous, horrendous idea. But you bringing up, um, Facebook, I've been thinking— I actually haven't been thinking about Facebook lately, and it hit me the other day where I like scrolled for a few seconds. I'm spending way less time, and it happened way before this trip as well. I reckon I don't spend any time on Facebook nowadays.

Tommy: Have you noticed that? Can you open your phone and do the battery life test? 'Cause we do this quite a bit. I think in the peak of Josh being in Melbourne, his Instagram use was at, what was it? 8, 7 hours a day? No.

Josh: Yeah, I think, no, it was no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was 7, 7 hours, 7.5 hours a, Every 7 days.

Tommy: Okay, okay, which— yeah, all right. So if you haven't done this, you can do it at home. Battery power, you go into your battery and you check.

Josh: Yeah, this is on iOS.

Tommy: Personal hotspot for me is, is pretty high, but the last 7 days— let's do that. Last 7 days, um, what's—

Josh: what have you got? This is pretty disgusting. Um So, Instagram takes up 36% of my time.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Have a guess in the last 7 days, how much on-screen time?

Tommy: Last 7 days? 9 hours?

Josh: 16.8 hours on screen.

Tommy: Fuck off. 16 in 7 days. What are you doing?

Josh: I think every time I'm like, I've had so many, you know, Instagram has, been showing that message where they say you've reached like the end of the internet, you fucking troll face.

Tommy: Oh, you're up to date. They say up to date.

Josh: You're up to date. Yeah. I've been up to date like so many times. It's said that I've been up to date. No, I've been—

Tommy: That's— It's already tombstone, up to date.

Josh: Up to date. You know, the funny thing is I'll defend myself by saying I use Instagram messaging more than I use WhatsApp and stuff like that. Interesting. So, I— I have so many direct message, like messaging with people. My preferred method with just, I don't know, like WhatsApp and stuff just feels a bit sort of old school. So, most conversations I'm having is on Instagram.

Tommy: Fair enough.

Josh: That's why I'm not on Facebook though.

Tommy: I actually thought a good t-shirt would be a white t-shirt with the "Up to date," like that thing off Instagram. I think people would like that.

Josh: I feel like it would be an, An old school, old school JJ would definitely wear that.

Tommy: Uh, so for mine, uh, Instagram was 15% over the last 7 days and screen time was 4 hours.

Josh: Yeah, wow.

Tommy: And Facebook was 1.4 hours.

Josh: So Facebook for me was 1.6 hours.

Tommy: So you're still, you're still looking at more Facebook than me. That's crazy.

Josh: If you, if you think about it, that's only like, what's that per day? That's on Facebook, that's not much at all.

Tommy: So let's just do a recap.

Josh: You wanted 10 minutes a day.

Tommy: You were thinking about like, do I switch off from devices? What, what do you, what's the go? What's the reflection a month in, um, to this trip? What's going on?

Josh: So I think that I've probably, um, at the beginning, I think I'm not worrying about it that much. A couple of observations, two, two things that probably stood out to me on the trip is definitely I'm using my phone a lot. But I think that I'm actually, given we've got a fair bit of time, we still have 2 months left of the trip. So, there's still a bunch of time. So, there has been, I feel like I'm slowly turning off certain elements. So, client work basically finished. I have a couple of, you know, things to do, but over the next 2 weeks that will all be done. And I'm sort of, with all the exciting news that we've got coming up in sort of later in the year, I'm sort of working on all of that. And then definitely I think that there'll be, you know, there'll probably be a month before I come back where it's way less screen time. And I've sort of feel like I've clocked social media and I don't need to—

Tommy: Up to date. Can you just put your status? Hey guys, up to date, then post the image of your battery use on the apps that you're using and then just say checking out.

Josh: I'm surprised at how high that is. The amount of hours. That's fucking high. The amount of—

Tommy: Can you do us a favour and on our Instagram stories, Screen capture yours and I'll screen capture mine over the last 7 days.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And we'll do Tommy's, Josh's.

Josh: Yeah. The— I actually wonder how much time I've spent. Let's see if I can see playback, how much time I've spent on the— on podcasts. Oh, yeah. I'm sure I've spent— It says I've listened to 5 days, 19 hours worth of podcasts, but that's not I'll try and find out and post on Instagram. Actually, I'm not posting it. This is the other thing, that was including the Daily Talk Show Instagram. So, I feel like I've— Having the multiple accounts, I spend so much time on it. But the podcast, I'm sure I'm spending at least 4 hours a day listening to podcasts. Geez.

Tommy: And is Bree still alive? Is she alright?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Bree's good. Bree's currently laying in bed watching live. She can only hear my voice. My end. She can't obviously hear you, but, um, yeah, she is. She's— she was, um, having a go at me yesterday. We were at a pizza place, mate. You were spot on about Capri. It's so fucking expensive. Um, you know, we, we went to lunch just on our way to a walk, which was just like meant to be a small lunch, and it would have cost us— it was like $80 Australian for the two of us just for like a small lunch. No, like, we had water, no drinks or anything. But, um, we went to We went to a pizza place last night, which seemed pretty fancy, and there were some real quirky characters from like the US that were there that just like people with crazy amounts of plastic surgery and like not good plastic surgery, like the sort of plastic surgery where it's like they've got some level of disorder where they're so rich and they're just throwing money at it and they're just putting like plaster scene on their face type of deal.

Tommy: That's crazy. Yeah.

Josh: But Bri was, yeah, Bri was having a go at me because what I've been doing, I get conscious about when we go to nice restaurants, not eating enough or spending enough. So, I enjoy a margherita pizza, but the margherita pizza normally in Italy, I reckon the standard price for a margherita pizza is around €4.50. And so, at a premium place, this place being more expensive and being in Capri was €10. And Bri wasn't feeling hungry, so she was like, let's just share a margherita pizza and let's just get some frizzante, some sparkling, #sparklingwater, and that's all we'll have. But I was doing the math. I'm like, we're going to get a bill for a Brie salad, you just yelled out, and the salad, but we were going to walk away basically like I was thinking that it was going to be maybe €18, and I got conscious where I'm like, I feel like going to a nice restaurant and taking up a table, you— I feel obligated to be like having 2 meals each. What's your vibe on it?

Tommy: I mean, unless you're willing to play with a lot of money, you don't do it. It's a lot. It's a trap getting a nice restaurant anywhere in Europe. It's a life trap. You, you'll spend one meal each, €80, €60, you know, like if you're on one of those spots looking out over the water with a few drinks, you've cooked it. But, um, the internet—

Josh: you don't even need a few drinks, like just us having two Coke Zeros. Actually, I guess we had a little bit. We had two pizzas, like a four cheese pizza, margherita, two 300ml Coke Zeros, and a sparkling water. For €56, so which is, that would have been like $80 or something.

Tommy: And I just realised you got a food diary update in there.

Josh: Shit. And it came unnoticed until the end there.

Tommy: All right.

Josh: Any other exciting news?

Tommy: No, I was just gonna finish. So the way we work this show is we kind of put into the Trello board the stuff that we wanna talk about. But I've realised that there is heaps of stuff in there that has been there for way too long and probably should be thrown out. But I thought for some of it, they're just little storeys that I've wanted to tell you and I haven't found a place to bring them up while we're doing our show. So maybe like a little segment could be, I don't know the name of it, but it's like, um, Get It Out. I just need to get it out because it's stuck in that Trello board and you have no idea what the storey is.

Josh: Give me one. Give me one of your challenges.

Tommy: All right, so this one. It's been, it's been our Trello board and it's called Cotton Wool Tip Incident.

Josh: I've been wondering what this is about.

Tommy: This is ridiculous. So Amy's got a little area where she kind of puts her, you know, makeup stuff and her earrings and her cotton wool.

Josh: In the bathroom?

Tommy: No, it's actually in our room. So she's got her stuff in the bathroom as well. And then she's got a little place in her cupboard, and there's cotton wool tips. And I don't use these much. I've got this thing, and I don't know if you— it's like cotton wool buds. I hate them touching, like, I hate that they squeak in your hands, and it like makes me shiver. I get it when I, um, touch hot dishes.

Josh: Are they the ones with the stick or without? What's the difference between the stick and the one?

Tommy: Yeah, cotton wool tips Um, are the ones with the— on the stick, and then they're just the cotton wool is— yeah, just the cotton that you use for your face and stuff. So I, I have a problem with that. So the way— the reason I say the problem is because it translates to the cotton wool tips. So I like to wet them before I use them, and you, you're meant to— I mean, I think they're made to use for your ear, right? Yeah, and that's where I use them anyway.

Josh: You've got to be careful. I don't even know if you're meant to use them for your ear.

Tommy: Yeah, but they sort of like— they don't suggest So, probably don't use them. Anyway, what I do is, because if I'm not in the bathroom, I can't just run them under water. So, I picked up some cotton wool tips and I put them into my mouth and I wet them with my tongue.

Josh: Yeah. Did you? So, you basically gave yourself a wet willy?

Tommy: No, I put them into my mouth and then I wet the other end because both ends have the cotton wool on them. And then I went to put in my ear and Amy said, yuck, what are you doing? They're the ones I just used.

Josh: That is really fucking gross.

Tommy: I put her dirty cotton wool tips into my fucking mouth. What a dickhead.

Josh: That's fucking disgusting. I didn't think that's where the storey was going. I would have been happy with just you realising that was disgusting. Licking them in the first place.

Tommy: I know, I know, never again, never again.

Josh: Geez. We need to, Michelle sent us an email saying that the riddle is time sensitive, which is making me nervous.

Tommy: All right, well, we'll get to that next episode. I gotta run, got shit to do.

Josh: Well, it's not even next episode, we need to do an admin where like, we just need to do it off air when we sit down and work it out. I feel like it needs like a pen and paper and a fucking Da Vinci Code. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address. Thanks to everyone. We've got a couple of new podcast reviews through Apple Podcasts. Oh yeah, thank you for that. And if you have gone this far, it means that you don't hate the show, which means that you are the perfect candidate to give us a review through Apple or through the iTunes fucking store thing. Yeah, there we go. It's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. I'm off to go on a boat. Have a good one, TJ.

Tommy: See you guys tomorrow.