- June 4, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday June 4 (Ep 100) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Episode 100 of The Daily Talk Show! This is massive for us. We celebrate with our mate and legend of Australian entertainment, Hamish Blake. We cover a lot of ground. Too many things to put in the show notes, sorry!
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket.
It's Episode 100. Guys we
We did it. Thanks for thanks for coming on by 100 Hamish Blake
little does he know he's been here every episode but just hasn't talked and
whining and whining and whining. You've been looking after all the technical stuff for us guys. Thanks for having me to the century and party. This is massive. This is huge and Korean
means 100 somebody does right.
I'll pop it in the show notes.
Yeah, show notes is one area
so that's just something I lost on podcasts because other people have show notes. And this is the first
time I ever had a podcast and I've been saying it just because exact same thing
look at the show notes. Speaking of speaking of nuclear physics, I'll check some stuff in the show notes on cold fusion they've just been working on it I'm really sorry I'm light because brought down to the buzz it's almost 10 o'clock at night I'm sorry it's a live episode
now we've only done how many light not to think not many not might not
have like I just might really felt you
know this is a thing like you've come from Sydney
Sydney I flew down any time you know when you get like I knew at the airport already in three hours time there was going to be an issue because you just can say the you know things that going into the pipeline that you just know need to get done for the kids I know we need to get to the con I needed to get home you know we need to fade MMOs me but one down
with the family yeah we will find myself
nine and at night it's like night and then there's traffic on like like nine o'clock it's not gonna happen so that's all right just I already could say my my you know the world record line in the pool. They just take getting away from beat into the future that's
more of a compliment. Thank you. Yeah, can this happen
can i say i mean i went obviously so where we are but your house sitting at the moment? Yeah. And in the suburb of Richmond area Yeah. Celebrity used you know he used to live down on the corner. No Hey, Ross McManus Dan that big place on the corner with a security cameras Yeah, that was that was Rives compound in Grove days heyday
and roving enterprises is now Nando's on the in the building might be they do
People like a lot of the time and chicken we're gonna take the same very sorry so I applied a lot of the time and apply them to chicken and chips.
I'm proud of the integration of our first sponsor, which is
the BLT know the Yeah, cuz roving enterprises Did you see in Abbotsford Yeah,
that was our old office.
No, this is not a Nando's is the head office.
Yes, I love
it. Good move from there does Yeah.
It was a good place.
Whoa, what was the so that was the office space. Yep. Sorry. And it was recorded in I was at a non award winning
Yeah. So this is a male into the like out of the neighbours when it Was she a channel 10 was on a warning and then it went to the we're in the ABC Studios for few years but it was still for channel 10 in Austin week in mobile space and space to the other campaigns Judea that that that the compound the is a compound and how that works. I think maybe they obviously sold their studios to a private company and they just rented them back because yeah, for the last two years we were at at it out of the ABC doing right and that's weird. Always remember being in the cab of the last episode of rove that the blog talk show rose? Yeah, I think it was like 2010 or 11 maybe not probably doesn't contain our can the last episode was and it was that thing of like no one knew if it was coming back the year after we hadn't really even thought about it. And then there's a bit of a rumour has going to be the last show but but they didn't want to do any pre publicity for it was a was an outside episode to Sam Worthington was on it the camera was on it was in the car park it was a warm sun was not didn't want to do any publicity. Because they didn't want it to be. I think they didn't want I think they just opted against this wasn't roving, I think was channel 10 going. We don't want to bet Well, we Yeah, we don't want to go at these last you know, watch these last episode. And then not have a good enough number after the fact to go. So we don't want it we don't want to be like, well, people expect a 2,800,000 watch. Yeah, terminate starting and we will move on. We just had over two weeks and hand over type. So we weren't really in the in a echelons of like making the decision wasn't remember sitting on the sidelines and wife was like, do a monologue. But if you Josh was like end to last the last episode, so you know, if you're back then Twitter was a big thing. And like it was like, you know, people were so excited if we would train me like Twitter, just Ah, there's like, yeah, so if you're a high me that takes your friends, tell your friends tell them this is the last. The last wave I think they wanted. they opted for more of like an instant groundswell of everyone just rushing to the phones. I mean, let mom put channel 10 on its philosopher of them actually promoting it in advance and going this will be the last one so on it didn't work on the wire do not work.
I want to ask you about like, transitioning from different projects before we do admin for the daily talk show the podcast. listening to this is half an hour.
we started off
to podcaster don't know we an admin one and everyone
know, so I am the daily talk show. I'm Josh. The other guys Tommy. And this is Episode 100. And I've written down every single person who has sent us an email, which in your game would obviously probably take up.
We have computers
we could generate a teachable
I just spent time I wanted
to thank the people who have over the last hundred episodes that's written the name out. Michelle, Sean, Jody BMX, Trevor, Derek, Russ and Robert so yeah,
cuz I'm really mad upset that I thought robot was
it into like machines that can listen and appreciate podcast. We've
actually got a couple of birthdays as well. The it's Neil's birthday
Two people, Neil and Chris. It's also Chris's birthday realise
how many episodes after they realised Friday.
Friday, Neil reached out.
I was wondering if it was in like the 70s.
It was probably the long I didn't think would keep going.
We didn't know the but the thing is that the we've been teasing. This is probably the longest tease in the sense of having you on I think you're probably
getting notifications today is posting about
Instagram Tommy that you mentioned. Yeah.
But no. So I said desire. How are we gonna cut this?
Shit. I'm so sorry. Because I'll be back in Melbourne.
what's the what's been the biggest guest that you ever had on your show? was the longest tease Yeah,
that you ever do longest days would be pretty different. There'll be a I'll give you a couple categories. There'll be some ill placed teases like you know now looking back on it was it worth talking about this person so much all this band like you know, like, hey, we've got flow rider coming up, you know,
done done, but that
was just before I think that I had to take a bunch of tweets down because I think I tweeted about it and then soon after got a job at SGI and did a big cleanup.
I was I got so close to flow rider he was on a security guys shoulders in flow right is probably 140 kilos so massive. And he's like
like he's all protein but I don't know he forgets his name but it says flow rider on his back. Just Just
remember that like, I mean, that was a great one. But we that seems to be all over the station forever. Like Yeah, I remember when he turned up it was just a disproportionate level of him expecting like, I think he was like, I can't believe I'm doing it right so I'm in Melbourne like come on.
One of the rooftop party the luggage?
I might have even been friends I can't I know it was it was pray login Pete Rose were on at 4pm and he played at like the three to four hour the Florida party but there was like panic because this is another free man does plug he wanted chickens. It's like he's a crocodile Yeah, he wanted like my protein you want like roast chickens. Everyone was like rushing around giving him chickens was just
like survey results. were
like oh my god like getting chickens in these chickens.
was a bananas as well because I was there that day
and my mother just eating chickens and bananas. Like cuz he's he's worried like he obviously is on a specific diet for muscle gain. Yeah, and the other two things he wanted he wanted one bottle of crystal and like it had me like man Come on flow like who are you and then another bottle of yellow Glenn like you want a super expensive champagne and Champagne so they want to spray it the audience yeah and and put the he sprayed he was like I spray crystal as a show of strength and I want but I just have a migraine room I don't mind want champagne I drink but I must spray the expensive stuff so there's a lot of it was like a lot of it was flush it even when he threw it that like gold China the crown that he had on his massive gold chain on through that to the crowd was like oh my god like someone call it like a woman call it she was like I can't believe of like it was it looks expensive. So she's probably like I think was my 100 grand do I never I mean he just it's like he's fried crystal through he's called China's like I'm out of here in Florida like a back to finish off two or three chickens. popcorn chicken. And then he security guard came to the crowd and was like, give us the
guy that goes out and finds the girl or whoever the guy whoever catches it goes. Honestly give us a time back like as if, say a lot of
that has to go on patient. I was at the footy on the weekend. And with my brother jack Yeah, cuz I'm just friends with jack and we will sitting there will watch these Furies go up into the grandstand. I was like, if you don't just want to grab it and put on you. Yeah, putting your bag just
quickly you haven't done that at the footy.
They just throw them straight back down.
It's amazing because in america that's the whole thing like you try to catch the foul balls to came Yeah.
It's a smaller ball though, I guess as well
as more convenient as icon but that like the whole point of the game is like bringing love try and catch a ball. They should have like bring you like old school AFL gloves catch up in the crowd. So the Florida was played like we he wasn't the most we have to have. There's a lot of people I'm sure like, I'm kinda like, you just cannot remember the names of people. So there would be hundreds of musical acts that we've had on that. I couldn't tell you the night What
about the one that I know sort of the behind the scenes storey that couldn't be told of bajnai?
Oh, yeah, yep. It was I mean, he was
but you couldn't
get him on to 200 definitely will think
about it. Yeah, I think we're going to use him for 104 you
couldn't you not talk about that wasn't there in the fuse over
the last show first time around. So we were doing a bunch of like shows around the country when like I you know, we're going to start doing Dr. Radio, we often do this enough to do the TV show gap here. And so we were going around around different different cities. And our last show was the music ball and Melvin think this is 2011 2010 Brenda, sometimes the end of road and we were at the music hall and it was gonna be fun. Like we're encouraging people I dress up and stuff in the show and like, you know, just come and enjoy the last show with this whole thing. And I think we had a hit we had john Farnham locked in for us. We're like, what a great resolve. This is gonna be a terrific final show. And you two are in town. I mean, this is just super, like just massively for juulers. So Sami producer, was he stayed in Melbourne while we travel around the country doing these shows the night before we were in CD and I think on the Wednesday night we were It must have been in breezy because like that, that's when the news came through like a Wednesday night. Hi. The marketing people from YouTube have contacted me saying look, they would be happy to comply the show like they've heard about the show or someone's told someone or someone's explained to them all, you know, this radio show is finishing up and this could be a fun event to do if you guys want to do something for publicity. And so somehow it got on their plate and they were like, entertaining the idea. And someone's like, here's the thing that they they want to It only looks cool for their only works for them if they can turn up and genuinely surprise everyone. He's like, so no one knows about this, like the brother station doesn't know. No one knows I've just got the head of like YouTube's entourage or like the to a head of the two is gone. He's what we could do, can like come back to us with an idea of like a fun way to reveal you to and and that's such an initial conversation. I like the gospel from YouTube. It's too hard to get the back line there and do any song so they'll come but they're not gonna play any music.
That's gonna be weird. It was like, Larry the edge. Well, no, guys play a song.
No, no, just
just hanging out. Like, today, we're like, shit. Okay, so we started trying to think of an idea like, like, what's a funny raise, and that they couldn't play a song or you know, we lose a bit with them. And you know, the bet was if we when they play, like now that makes it look like that don't want to play. So we're racking our brains a bit, then like an ally like good news, I will play I will play, I will play a new song I want to play any, I don't want to play like one of the classics. Like, that's even worse.
That's probably that was probably the one that was free on iTunes.
Really want to give it away again. Anyway, luckily, I mean, this was cool. This was just like an example of like you say, inside the workings of a group like YouTube, and a machine like the YouTube to bed, just the best in the world at everything that had like this. So, so, so good at every kind of decision and step that they make, like everything, so I can see that. And they just want to do it. Well, you know, like, they sort of camp I thought how it will play two songs will pay straight to have no name. And like another one like, this is incredible. Well, we, you know, so we came up with this idea. We were like we like what if we wrote a song saying we know, we know you're here in town, and we asked them to come on the show. And they didn't turn up their chickens. And so we made the song called we're better than YouTube. And like Andy and I sing about how we had told him to turn up at 430 and they didn't show and therefore we win and were the best guys. I mean, they walk out on stage. But no one knew that we're kind of like I said like zero no one knew like they had their roadies turn up and sound check this stuff and play a bit and they will like you there on the run shaders someone else like you know like like you for
the graduate something else I know they're on the run sheet is jack post band as last chance
I went and said I was like it last chance was listed as playing with Hello everyone Are you okay so last chance comes that implies which was Jack's hospital bed Yes. So yeah, man that was awesome that was you mean I mean you know even like that's it man Andy and Sam because it was if it came out right right so the other thing was they were like we want to do this we want to surprise Virginia and this is the cool thing about them like they're like we don't want this to be manufactured we want this to be real we want this to be a genuinely awesome moment and and we take this shit seriously like we don't when we do stuff like we this is how we do it as YouTube we do it well they like Apple they really are they like yeah they like Disney Apple like Lego they like we don't take chances with our brand so the
comment took a chance putting a song on everyone's iPhone
thank you but I mean it's I guess it's I think like they conceded they're not always right but that
sloppy say like well, the iPod the apples the biggest company in the world and the iPod is possibly the greatest invention at that time for music. We're happy to be aligned with you know so you can so that you can see the rationale they just kind of misstep to be there. But they which I'm sure they would admit but there I think his name is Francis whoever was yeah that's
right. Yeah the
head of the head of the one in charge of this ahead of this idea yeah. was like sort of saying to Sam listen this is what we do it has to be that's critical for us gotta be surprised by the surprise the crab gonna surprise the world with like that's watching Yeah. And and the people paying attention if like if if you if these lakes or if we get a sniff that this is the people will begin to know about this also just to the gods security like we don't want to go crazy they're like we just went to it and if and if you if you say we were going to do we'll just say belong and no one will believe you it's like that Bill Murray storey that he was stealing people's hot chips and then I'm telling you I'm going what he's doing you'd be like no unbelief
because he would believe
the Bill Cosby storey
thank god people didn't believe it. Yeah, so yeah, they they they brought it up man I know the best like there's such lovely dude. He is the best part about like, Guys like that. who aren't they mean they used to like they can afford to be bit arrogant if they want Yeah, but they they will read one of the interesting things from behind the scenes oh really hyper aware of is they obviously knew who john Farnham was and like what he meant to Australians as well and he was the big deal for our final show like having and
he was still performing
he was still performing so to have they were like we don't that it meant a lot to the guys in the band they're like we don't want jump found think we like you surf demon came and like tonight so before the show they're like can we make john Farnham? Can we go into his dressing room and this is there was we were all in the secret little downstairs on class so we just because no one knew that were there was a sort of chatting to him beforehand. And they were asking their people can we want to jump on and I was in the green room next door. They went knocked on the door and they're like, john, it's amazing to me, you are huge fans. And he was like blown away because YouTube come to wish him luck. And they're like, you know, we're just supporting you today. This is crazy, like, so they just made him feel like a king. And I was like, great move. Like they thought of doing that. No one's telling him to do that like that. That's just their right. You know, they that they just, they just switched on God's light
be annoying, find him then tweeted YouTube
took a calculated risk when tweeting that much.
JOHN families come out of retirement 1015.
And by the time we're tasting and because we will, you know, we only do one farewell tour and you do 50 we have since done with
the the idea of being careful of what you're saying and things like that. How How is that translated to being on air and specifically, having done 100 episodes, Tommy and I have looked back on episode that we've done and said we don't we haven't edited any of our shows. So we just like in the moment if we say something dumb will like bring it up, but we're not really editing it. Have you had any moments where you you've had that sick feeling of like I shouldn't have said that are usually American just with personal storeys.
Yeah, they stink.
More So back in and I was getting like less so with my wife less less was I but I remember like he's what I recommend comes from especially doing right here like two hours a day. Sometimes you just get to four o'clock. And you know, most of the time you find for content, you've got more than you need. You've just had those little moments where you stopped and just checked sometime before four o'clock Do I have enough that shows because as always part of the show you like I got that I got that I will do that. So no one really knows what you're going to say there's like spots in the show where like I'll talk and then as possible like and you talk other spots be like well, we should talk about this and maybe do a phone do a final off the back of it for our show that's how we will show together like we had essentially 12 boxes to fill and you and each box would have like one sentence in it like it might be you know like you know relationship deal breakers or whatever was just he shaved your head or whatever. And then we like five minutes on that then the next week we take calls that's like the to the episode be like have you shaved your head next box calls and the whole bullet con looks like that there's MMOs are just be like, you know, Andy? Oh, just Hamish and you like it? essentially you're saying the team guys I got this. I'll take the spot like I got something which you usually do like 99% of the time you do but then there were those rainy days peaches suddenly Rog The show is happening. You looking like five minutes? what it was like, Oh my god, I didn't really have what was I gonna talk about? Thank you. So he's realised he's just been having fun the whole day hanging out with mucking around all the wall not realising that this horizon is approaching. And you just assume because you always usually have stuff. Those are the times I reckon we like. I yeah, yeah. My panellists. He did something weird the other day. And so and then you like, should I talk about that? See, gauge goes a bit off? Well, as the as the shot clock was running down, it's just like, you got nothing else, you gotta go for it. And so, like, those are the ones we like, well, with a bit more forethought. Because, you know, for the way I would work personally is like, yeah, they kind of know if an area is funny or not. The most preparation I would do for the ratio is just like, literally give something a minute thinking just to save maybe mentally where it mapped out and you can only go Okay, yeah, he's a he's a few of the biases conversation going on. I'll say what Andy says and that's what it's going to be those of them with the storeys we like I'm probably talking about something that's how they may get my partner in trouble or something she probably doesn't want on a you've just actually you've your It's my fault. But you're you're in that position, because you just didn't think about this before. 30 seconds ago.
I was telling Josh before you got here about something happened to me when I was in shipping it on a and it wasn't something that we said that I knew would be polarising. We bought, we my co host and I we saw a cop at a coffee shop. And my co host was like, Oh, he's hot. And then we just talked about it on air. And then we decided because you left your own devices out and regional radio that we would launch a find the hot cop. Three days later, we got pulled into a meeting. They thinking about opening stalker charges on YouTube. Like it literally gone. But isn't there a commonly defence?
in a fun way?
Like adorable? How many times being a comedian whose job is to have moments of like even because even home I think that your comedy is so much like in the moment, it's observational, it's improvised operational. So how do you because obviously what you're talking about there were sort of pre gravitated things. But what about in the moment? Were like making the Bill Cosby joke. I'm like, uh, yeah, it's sort of funny. But maybe it's not that funny. But it got like, we all politely laughed. So maybe it's I recognise
it right. I wrote it down. Actually.
If I reckon we play we, you know, we probably lost the loss of relief for a friend who hadn't done that bad thing. Because your time was all I Oh, because I'm I said a bad thing about grind pants. Why less of it? That's why less using prison than saying The bad thing is a job. So like, all right, yeah. Thank Good. Good. Thank God, Josh. He didn't say something that really derailed like it. Only in the sense that it will reduce the impact of the How funny The show is, if you accidentally put an image in people's heads. Like, well, that's not fun. Yeah, yeah. And the whole point of like, specially the answer like it, we're not, we're not pushing that many envelopes our show. We're just trying to have a fun time, or trying to have a fun time. And hopefully people will join in so early in the sense that I think if you did something wrong was I mean, the poor, the poor, the two people's minds to an area. That's not funny. Yeah. It's just a lot more work to get it back and the end results, but
I feel like you had the real sweet spot of a show where it's like the breakfast shows and needing to be a bit edgy or the weather is cool handling topical bit in a real thought provoking way. You guys didn't have to sign up.
Now, we were so lucky. I mean, you owe money and prestige, legend leaves and breakfast Friday, but so is getting up early and having to talk about something you don't want to talk about. Yeah. So that was that was a big that was enough of a turnoff for us.
And did you ever do? Did you do a stint in
breakfast? Did you do like I behind the scenes? When I was 20? Yeah, for a year. So I got to see what it's I think it's like, I mean, you just get made you never let anyone tell me like, you just you. It's that thing of like, you don't really you don't rise to the what's that sign that like under pressure, you don't rise to the level of your hopes you sink to the level of your training. Like it, it reveals a lot about people because it was a sleep deprived. Yeah, panicking desperate for content just need like just exhausted and running on empty. And so you know, for great teams, they the teams that can just work together running on fumes, because do a lot of stuff like running them and you're trying to create a fun, happy environment. And I got to say that without actually having to like perform in that environment. And that was enough minutes. If you like this career find a way to do this.
Well, what were the conversations behind the scenes for your show in regards to the site like shows have air check? So you'll sit down with your boss and you'll get feedback? What was the individual feedback that you got? What was the thing? So for me I at the beginning of when we started the daily talk show, and I would just put it into like two tracks of Tommy and I speaking if I saw that there was like a crazy amount of and I'm doing it right now a crazy amount of me talking. I would feel like
slow down. Bring.
Bring me up. I just brought Tommy's volume down, which is sort of I didn't want to pick it all.
Ready. The intro Exactly. Just
made it I got a nice a compress, actually, on another thought. So I've been taking out about when it come back to that bit kicking out on radio stuff. Do you know people do that in radio where they'll sweeten the sound of the hosts? voices? specific frequency and Mike's so if you they'll put beautiful broadcast compressors on their mics, but then they caught the domination feature on then on the
Yeah, this isn't it? But anyway, is that why that the like the golden mark is
Yeah, like people bringing their own mark. It's, it's less about the mic and more about the preamp, the compressor.
Of course. This has become
a podcast. I build my studios. So yeah, what is it? What's the conversation that you're having internally about what what Hamish Blake can do to improve?
Back in the day, I mean, we would we still for years and years, we would we would after be a checks and like write down. Sometimes a great sometimes disagree, but it was good to have. It was good to have as especially as we were young 2223 when we started, like so good to have people that had listened to a lot of radio. Give us their feedback. more so because it was like, well, eventually the day will come where we go. Well, I think we've I don't know if I agree with that. But early days, you know, you hadn't earned the right to say that yet. So we just sort of diligently sat there and took it all and I suppose like an apprenticeship? You know, we will like I said, it comes from a place of experience and learning. And then in hindsight of just organically, it got to the stage where we when we knew the kind of stuff that we liked the show and being Yeah. And sometimes that would not be not be something that was obvious in an article was it wasn't too What were those points? Like what I'm curious, because I think we just basically when it says but it's really basically like eat nothing Trump's like nothing Trump's having real fun. That's why
you have to correct internally though, and say, I'm talking too much here, or I don't give a breath here, or this is
Yeah, I mean, in the sense that I think we were like, well, you're you could have had so much more fun there. If you're more relaxed or you're listening more, or you are allowing an idea to happen. Rather than trying to force a pre conceived outcome. A lot of little, I think we learn a lot about the science of having real fun, or like the conditions needed to hopefully grow real fun in a studio. And sort of, it's not a guarantee every time but we learned a lot. I think we more than a lot of stuff. that guarantees you won't have real fun. Yeah, but a lot of little, but I understand why people make those decisions. Because it means you'll, you can, it's like you can have two things here you can safely have something that sounds fine. And he's a like a facsimile of fun, like, like laughing and ending up at the thing, you're new, you're going to end up end up at like end up at the outcome you're new, you're gonna end up it or you can maybe not have any kind of result. But in success, it can be something that's genuinely find him wasn't a guarantee, like so I think we were always trying to go for that kind of thing. Our whole thing on the radio show we can taking adventures, we were like, We don't want to know the outcome of this adventure. Because the whole point of the show is the journey. Like again, to really roll out of leathery old cliche we like, that's got to be the joke. The joke has to be the journey, not this summer stuff and running or it's like this, this October spent two weeks servicing this idea that we hate, like, we hate servicing it. But eventually when we get you know, the classic one is like a funny idea for a party, like inviting people and organising the band. And it's just boring, and we hate doing it. But we are hoping to it's time the party will be worth it. So this has been worth it. And to us that always seems really backwards. Because it's like, well, why would you spend two weeks having no fun? in the hope that that that the ends will justify the means? Why wouldn't you? Wouldn't you rather have a really funny way to invite people to this thing. And even if the end night is shit, that's one not out of 14 days, that was shit, and you still end up with it and great does.
So how do you groom the radio stations to allow you or even any business that's like creative, because I think what you're talking about is this creative process of understanding the direction you're going, but just taking on the things as they're coming up and running with them. So I mean, I suppose it's definitely
like it was more important for us to be 100. Like, we cared a lot more about the trajectory than the target. So we're like, as long as we sent our router in the right position, he said that whatever happens, his grades will be okay. Like, we know, they'll be like the best ideas are the ones where you're essentially hedged. Because a winner a loss is still funny. Yeah. And that was sort of true. That's true. And what we ended up doing a gap here as well, it was like, well, let's, what's the language? Is it a vision? Or like, we would refer to it as trajectory a lot of getting getting out? Like how how angles, right? Because, you know, you can be a bit off at the wrong but like to, to go like, all right, well, if we if we, you know, like, all right, really random example. But this could apply that must the stuff I end up doing gap here as well where you're like, all right, well, we want to have a rice around the loo random bat and viet-nam that really congested. randomise is like 10 lions, everyone's like my ham over there in like, we're enough in them. Like it's wild. We want to give him let labours and ride those mini 49 cc mini bikes and do 250 lap like a like a moto JP like an enduro, like me versus Andy against like, not for five hours against each other. Like that's the thing we want to do just go around around around the roundabout in traffic. Geico presents f1. To us, it's like, the reason why when we came out with that, oh, there and the idea in the room, as soon as we, as soon as we hear that idea in the room, we all have that feeling of going? Yes. Because it's so anything can happen in an idea. We don't have to get 250 laps, like we just don't, yeah, I could get five and Andy might get 19, a bike might explode, we might have an accident, a pit crew, like we might get fined by the police, our pit crew might leave us It doesn't matter. Because like, it's it's kind of a visual jog. And it will be an adventure out there. I hope it goes for a long time. Because we know the longer it goes and more stuff could happen. But it's not that thing of going. Like it only works if we achieve the target even though it's like it's an idea that has even you know, that has a numerical target built into the idea doesn't matter because that's the but if it was like, Well, I'm gonna gonna do something. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna the founder will like because for us, then it just was funny. Like that is just I love the idea already of like, shopping for bikes and getting in the levers and like limbering up and talking to a pit crew and having like, we had a hairdresser to be out like pit Chase,
I'm just featuring Ryan Shelton, he was doing the kind of
the details of that for me, because just that's the journey, like a lot of the stuff we would think of it would be like, right, the thing that really makes us laugh about this is the nuance of the details and how liat we can go and you know, can we can we just find some hint greengrocer and another gotta be like great girls, a grid boys or whatever. And that would just be funny organised, organising this idea will be funny. And that was to us like a lot of the key like, putting together this idea is 80% of the comedy. It doesn't need all that done behind the scenes to then like to then hopefully have a have a funny joke that we always for so much respect food, like, we would hear other radio shows, do these have these ideas and then be like, why are you doing all that?
Like, the making of videos now are getting so much cut through online without wanting
to throw me under the bus with her. Who's a good friend of all of ours? No, it doesn't have a writer in Sydney. They had this idea. They do a lot of like, they do parody songs on their on the show. And so like a few years ago, he's like, oh, we're gonna get these musical bands for Christmas. And we put the parody songs in the bays and that can like you know, they didn't like Ozzy battler style and save gang Starr
but I didn't well, and so he wasn't that long ago
but he was like all we want to get the bands right like we want to release them for Christmas.
Yeah, that's nice to them.
I'm sorry remember the bus here but it always struck me like this is the difference between ashes Yeah, he was like we're gonna release them for Christmas and like I say if we can get people like queuing up and like wanting a beer sounds like great. And this is sort of in you know, June July and there's like has the best
fucking nightmare there's six different bears ones one one
doing that content on it this
is like I'm doing this gone China is doing another guy sends me this bear it's the wrong song loaded in and like that he's funny This is funny you doing this on a good
face? It's all fun
Yeah, we don't want people to know about the bears until they ready like this is mom
should be on the plane to China to Gwangju I'd be like where's
the funny but like don't you recommend like these like yelling at the factory like having to fund like having a Kickstart to get more money to release the bay is like who cares if they sell them a little bit it was one of those things were like the team and thought of it and like they pictured like all the funny part is sailing the bay is Yeah. Which is funny but it's like you know for another reason then guys you missed out on like, weeks of easy content the
serendipity as well right? I think
it's just a funny thing to be doing just stick out for these guys it's breakfast right here I remember they're all fucking time
even more like three breaks a day when you're on the phone to China and it will be funny because you tried it you you know you're doing it in real time like you it's all up front like it like it kills two birds with one stone so often in writing everyone's got this idea of like how will do this work behind the scenes that will present to the world we've got this cool idea and so much stuff I reckon is like well if you just honestly were transparent about the organisation of idea that is often as funny as it was anyway, that was how we always just found that stuff the funniest of trying to organise trying to try not to Yeah, I don't try not to sugarcoat it or whatever like trying to have a have an idea that like where the organisation of it was as funny as the
end result might perfect example is choosing Kate's scammer stuff and not written not too recently. Josh Janssen scam us because you don't know the outcome and so it's like this evolution by the by the third
of the people that follow Josh is Instagram's on my them Hall a lot of the storey the other day because I want to highlight genius Go check it I wanted to show my wife. But I said fine with that. I was like, doesn't matter where this goes. You're already hitting the threshold. Yes. already great. As soon as soon as the scammer as soon as this game was going with that. I'm sorry. I don't know what song it was. Like. We're now in the stratosphere. This is terrific.
previous episode not 99 Josh got rich. Yeah, yeah, we we spoke. We got some even May my fight at buntings, we got content like I find that the best moments. The fuck ups in life, right? Like when? When I was reliable, yeah. Just cats, like when I spent 15 bucks on my hair cut on over the weekend. And she said he's three and okay number on the site. I was thinking to myself, I don't know. Yeah, but I'm happy to do it anyway. Because if it's fact it's some form of content. That's it. How much like how much are you thinking because Tommy got engaged, married and had a kid for content. It's
a competitive market.
And YouTube is hard to crack.
No joke on the on the engagement storey he is under the bus moment. Tommy did this beautiful engagement video, where he went to the same spot every time human Amy were in Sydney together because Tommy was in Sheppard and at the time, and Amy was in Sydney and he would go up every few weekends. Now go to this nice spot in front of
water double by waterfront.
And so he would set up the camera there and they would sit on sort of a bench every single time. So we had this beautiful time lapse of weeks and months of them going to the same spot. Awesome. And that was where he proposed. The problem was that the camera was too far away from the audio. So he actually before he put it online, he had the proposal and he recorded and it was from my suggestion but he got me it was a pickup. Yeah.
you know what it's like getting partners to get involved in content when I don't want to know I don't want to she nailed it first time. And it was because she sounded slightly annoyed
how many things have you done? Has that been a filter that you've had to be careful of? Which is like, Am I doing this? Because it's fun. That's great. My friend Mike.
Just because I
guess a little bit. It's more than that. You lucky like it's what you it's what you said before about like let's say the highlights of life. None of them are good. They're terrific. But there's way more comedy. It's like it's at the hedge because you like right? Actually, this is terrific. This is like being the worst weekend of my life but this is this will do this is gonna be a funny storey
one of my favourite storeys the time I shot myself on a party boat Yeah, I couldn't get off
I shut my mouth shut the chair of the radio station so horrible john
I pissed myself going to work okay
you did that just because you told me and you
know I didn't I didn't piss myself I was pissing into a boat there was a huge huge delays on the this was a few years ago this was at the radio station right no huge delays on the freeway freeway there were tracks a the side of me really need to go there was a truck Fire so it was two hours in July. So I put a bottle in my pants. I didn't want the truck drivers to say my dick obviously. So I put the bottle in my pants and I was sort of kissing sitting down but unfortunately it just tipped from the bottle into my bottle Na Na so I was like lifting it out and just all fell in and so that was the day it was also and that's why it's so I did you just go home no because we had it was a huge It was one of our biggest shows I was working on faith angels at the time and Jules basically said like we need you for this filming obviously so I did you tell Jules that Yeah, I told him he is a PC in the pants. So we ended up going to like when I went to the disabled toilets when they had like a Dyson air thing and just put them through the air I applied they applied they work to try to get that for the station. Yeah and the thing of really yeah,
my name sort of at Dawson for awake until I got it was an f5 and then they put my foot in the disabled toilet because they couldn't fit it on the wall. Not in the boys toilet
I wasn't behind me. It wouldn't be for you.
I'd like to I'd like to rephrase that wasn't discovered this is the ambulance toilet which means it's your everyone
what is the ambulance?
Well, I have have I had this
the Latin but I've had this argument we've me so many times on him he's like it's just for people in wheelchairs. None of that is for everyone. Including people in wheelchairs. Yeah,
it's a good distinction. It's It's
It's the facility that I have able to accommodate people male chairs, but also everybody
as long as you're not having a fight with a person in a wheelchair, they should get priority
yeah and but we were like look we that doesn't there's no one was known at the time in the building there was in a wheelchair. Yeah, I don't think there's zooms like so the odds are extremely low that a visited to the building and the wheelchair
was some sort of use out of it. Absolutely.
And it's got the answer live Yeah. And it's a much more luxurious toilet and I mean I think from a company perspective they wouldn't want an asset like that gonna Why would you put a Sonos in a room that you never in you when I was in there all the time? Yeah. Not thinking about the show a moment somebody show me the storey
of a girl here with a storey that not really embarrassed my girlfriend
brand brands and getting involved you know obviously you've for our international audiences you had the you can help yourself to some chocolate the foils quietly
So, number one you guys were the number one radio show in Australia huge whatever.
okay that's podcast world now you're on the daily talk show
yeah brands they would obviously be fighting that yeah China What's the weirdest brand right request or things that's being sent or awkward situation that you've been in with a brand
I feel like we always pride the dance and the radio station of us going look we don't just do random stuff the brands and then management be like no we got your back we tell you what your back but then at the same time that be telling clients look just give us a few Let us slide private God's ways little bit of stuff in here. We the most fun Wow. So it was one we do one for Baileys and we were causing send to them like places let us do some like others like me night but to commerce at university we understand brand management stinky brand Bob we're big believers in the fact that if you if you're on a show you mostly on it for to get like a slightly broader audience or different tag or for whatever value you guys get about a band I surely like the more if you give us a little bit of slack we can sometimes I find a fun way to play with the product was our idea. I'd like anyone I would often probably arrogantly go fellows this brand. I'd love this. Because and that's where we send us we got that right.
It feels like you got the got it wrong. In this case. I'm getting that via Baileys
I reckon we got that wrong. Some how it just became a funny joke like we had two weeks where we with thanks to bye ladies. And the tagline was something like you know, treat yourself to a luxurious Baileys of an evening like this is really bland and like you know it was just like so exciting. And because we like you people like people know what Bailey's is just encouraging them to treat themselves to a luxurious Bailey's and not like
you describing like advertising in general
and then that is really like isn't that arrogance comes in? I think we were just like no, probably because they needed to commerce at uni. We're like now we've been proactive brand management This is what you want to do if you're out like we would just overall I think mentally over go now. That sucks. Like 30 RMB link is the net I look like a marketing agencies it's like All right, you guys are like 3% of our message we have other channels and why is we're trying to tweak the brand here and convince people to buy from us but anyway I would say the shape of the messaging go now that stinks. I think what you really want is just no matter what the context us to talk about you guys more and somehow because sometimes we just get exhausted and tired and you try and make each other laugh and you know like I wouldn't know I'm trying to make me laugh by by saying something that's the worst possible ad for this brand. So out of something for whatever reason I thought one day will be funny to go and we should just because a lot of the time we may say something dominant have been like well now we can't say that we do have to say the right thing like that we just keep trying to push the envelope that way any pretending to hold me back and so this this particular occasion it just was like it was just be funny whatever reason to refer to Bailey as the world number one sports drink and I was like so at the end of the day I get home after after a big run grab a Bailey's and just bloody to ask yourself you know like chocolate Bailey's It's the world's number one sports drink number one number one alcoholic cream by sports drink
like even from the regulators would you even be able to say this before Yeah,
nowadays you really wouldn't because you know that to glorify drinking yeah but back this was pray that because the boys The only trouble we can get was which is a kangaroo that's the other thing by Lisa k gradient for the cocktail. The only thing we got in trouble when was like this is just heinously off brand for violating my like yeah but people know that like people know it's not a cream by sports drink
and how much how much actual face Tommy you having with Bailey's so this
is the thing where like these guys have paid for like literally two mentions it could just be this Pilates enjoy refreshing Belize and not like you know, Baileys train yourself to like finally got up to five minutes about how you know Bailey's is the world's number one cream by sports drink and like yeah, good sticky after the big match, but that's sports united, like have a show. I like it just picked him. The more we knew we were in the lab. And then weeks and like three or four days and now like God Bailey's is furious. He
just made it funny into us and then we're like
she did it more than once. Yeah, we're like giggling
in church and then we can't laugh it's funny. So we will I think it just got that probably got a big bellies wasn't happy with us. But yeah, from that in that instance. And another one that really did work though was Richard Donner another alcohol like Ricky Donna sparkling wine, I think is about nine or $10 a bottle is not your fancy, fancy bottle. But good sports drink is we we deeds, it was probably it was a bit of an homage to champagne comedy, but we had bottles of Rick Madonna in the studio. And at any point during the day we could classify a hall of is today's record on a moment. Pop champagne corks and then be drinking Rekha Donna and this was one that went really well went really well. In fact, we kept the bottles of Richard Donner around in the studio for a few weeks afterwards to still have record on the moment. I'm still like colloquially we still get a few people referring to my words in the show was a record on it like for those who aren't they will find like because that like record on it was like yeah, guys go nuts like this is that totally works for us. dusty camel or another one that stands out is actually just a company that you think you dream of the company's like we're like us we're like he's the money yeah, just mean it can have fun mentioned us like we just like they paid for me to make a giant chicken suit that shout out and they like you could push out an egg avatars and you're able to open them up laylaz Lucci and call it half a block of dark outfit with a pipe that went from the belly button through my legs to the slot slide the egg down the sheet, it would kind of like load up here ignore my nose and I have plunger on it and so then I would like to would like far and you opened it up and it was a one in six chance of winning something but like like yeah, we don't really understand what light was ladies we're happy to sponsor the prize if it ever if it ever goes off so I think those were the yeah there was another another great one from the right is that stands out live raids you would have had to do a lot of
yeah and we didn't get paid for them
as in like his interview like personalities don't get paid
I know Yeah, we don't get paid when you get paid from isn't
really that went out
first year of radio I think we did. And that was always like, I think was like 2150 alive right? So it was always like love rights. But you know, here we go if we do 500 bucks yeah and that was always like the silver lining of doing and then and then from you two onwards they're like oh by the way guys you know get paid for love
you Ryan that in our member being at the radio station and you guys were always saying as the the smart radio Joe in the sense of
you know I remember the radio station just being like oh yeah
we could put something on the website or no we don't own that like you guys were very good at saying hey this is our These are our
early days we we took back we on time snag.com we under Facebook we got to it yeah we that was a no brainer from the get go to go Why don't we just like see how it goes i mean but we part of you know part of wishing commercial right as you go to do love raids Yeah, but we would because we were in we'd only did in the capital cities so we might end the most we could have is one per ad break per capital city like three times a shy so the most you could have another was 15 which quite often happened and they're seven and a half minutes but sorry the 30 seconds so that would just be seven and a half minutes of me maybe for the first time ever just reading this script back and forth covering each other while you're writing a headline trying to get right to amazing never right
but what I love is hearing the person actually get surprised by what they're reading
Yeah, I'm going
to be like going a lot of times in life you know, you've been wondering why why is the Why is the sky blue? Why is it round? What can I find the right one but like well you can find the right tuna yeah it's this weekend it's sleep doing so many ads so you can really be we've asked them to bold the company because sometimes you're running out of time ago I haven't said anything that would sell a product for anyone to anyone I was triggered
listening to one the other day fav was reading it just reminded me being in source being like not being like having those elements that you're talking about and then also not liking
and we we would not like to be so many areas like we've been mispronouncing websites we require a heinous era for me to go for me to call it off medical and be like man sir I think we have a right to that one because we just wanted them to be others so it was like we put it off for hours finally just every day like a lot right? But there was there was one where it was it was like water safety and and the llamas like enjoy a deep in the pool with the kids the summer but always be aware of good message but that was one more I enjoyed taking the pool with the kids. I was like sorry man. Like this one he said dick and they like one of the things I like it's still recording I
enjoyed taking the
pain point Ryan john who was on our shows doing brackeen Perth when we saw him he was talking about getting hounded for saying the right thing and ally are missing live right so if you just totally missed them because you forgot to do the pre recorded
generic and the fault line laws. The sales person that sells the live raid to doing a bond whatever like I can't the guys can't wait to do it. They're so excited to they love it. They grind ads. The guys are just chomping at the bit they just so excited cut to you and it's me You always like because it's always somewhere in like Brisbane that you've never been at 31 Myra, Myra Myra Fiddler model and Bella longer road it's just horrible because you know you're getting suburbs on like, I still don't know how to say interrupt to endure. Really? Isn't there's always going to be factories out there. And it'd be like hearing someone's unite from the same property.
Dropping cash. Yeah.
not cheap probably. So someone's like what was paying 15 thousand dollars here we get all the men you should have heard this morning I can't wait to the you elaborate. I'm that's just I guess that's just the world but we need to try and put Yeah, we feel guilty. We tried to put a lot of effort in there was one amazing one. For Perth. It was like good news guys. compare those same to have a little bit more like melon and Sydney present idolising to have a few more kind of like what you might have been used to have in mind sharper than Tommy like, like for one of the time like slow mo regional like you know, Melbourne and Sydney you're doing libraries will come off bank and Twitter and stuff but you might be doing Jim's fish and chips and
so you're doing slightly more like local small businesses. And there was one where it was like Hey guys, great news. The GP food van now sells coffee. That's right, you get a delicious Arabica blend from the Jiffy food van and we really were like this is not just quick word This is not to be confused with the coffee and the Jiffy van there a different colour
In your name's not your food fan. Who are now doing coffee. Please you look at the coffee with them. They're a different company. It's and you mentioned
so you're asking Which one of you guys
do you split the most money here
or yeah or it was like like bodies that started the Jiffy coffee in a jiffy van and then they're like Fuck you man okay I want to take GP based food in a different direction
food van you see that happening? I there was two restaurants in Melbourne and yet what they had a business partners had a falling out so you'd go to one it was a very different expect like their website was like their social media starting with their website
real dudes from grilled had a big falling out
really really what happened I feel like on a podcast format you have to tell us everything you know otherwise there's no
partnership and there was a
something I think I saw something it's
one thing one thing that the daily talk show always ends up doing is getting very nostalgic Yeah, we love nostalgia and this whole thing has been like looking back and even I was going to mention I remember watching you a trop fest like to that like just for an purely an astrology reference and then I was going to mention for some reason how I went and so Red Hot Chilli Peppers at Sydney my music ball I think it was just a Sydney my music. Oh, that was a
music Oh yeah.
And it was in the
best It was really great and great venue this a chilli peppers in that pretty small.
Well, Josh was up on the grass. Yeah. And he said that was the best area and then I said no. down the front where the seats were. We were five rows from the front. Everyone ran to the front in front of us and so me Jacko my other bro. Yeah, other Jacko. We were always there and so there's no in front so we had this whole thing
is pretty fed up the Bible relaxed business class
well I'd never actually gone too many car I think the concert before that was like Delta good remote This was my first like yeah, that was the first concert I ever went to you paid it to go yeah bit
of chilli peppers, but just very quickly. I know.
me very quick.
On the chilli peppers thing No, I am always excited because this was like my big sort of debut in like cool music.
phenom. Yeah, yeah, they did a sort of a live thing together. But no, the I was looking at forums, like rating forums about the show. And they said that they played under the bridge. I didn't realise that was a song. So on the corner of my eye, I was looking for a bridge into our thought that they were going to go backstage and then appear.
Under Bry we walk this will the shadow life like seemingly interested in pop culture, but at the same time knowing nothing about well,
I think it's this thing of Yeah, I'm interested but I just can't retain
in the moment you tell me something it will be very interesting will be Mac one of our listeners is actually referred to your pop culture and it takes Mrs. To me. Josh has no idea about pop
culture. We said it's not Brian McFadden.
I was actually going to call on Bryan Adams, which is not
no that's not Ron Adams was not. To the best of our knowledge.
I was talking to be Mac not Brian McFadden on the way here. And he told him you're coming on these excited and he said, I know you probably asked him this. But what is he doing? What is he actually doing?
I'm doing my best.
Like I felt that What do you like what are you doing?
lane on that painting? I'm sorry. There's a part of me which is like, you know, what, if I'm knocks that he'll, he'll do?
It was sort of that but I also would prefer you not?
There's a bundle of sticks that are wrapped up over there. You know, they're expensive. Yeah. How I mean, there's a nice house, you've done well. What am I doing? Great question. Well, I wasn't doing much on other radio shows, I suppose was that easy. It's like when you're at uni. I'm studying and I was like, Man 12 miles away. How do you do it? Yeah, I
said like that for a lot of freelancers to avoid. Yeah.
Now I just brought on my lawn cod self employed. Yeah. Just the easiest way to do it. I've been growing a beard.
Spoiler alert. I'm growing up right before your very eyes at the moment.
That's been obviously that's a little ticking the box every day, every day when I'm not growing up.
Is that enough?
Now look at now he's a podcast once a week at the moment, which is good fun that over on podcast one on one approach. Let's go from you. What do you what do you think about
saving a few not doing anything? You know, I'm curious because like,
he totally understands that. I am loving this he like we are finishing a true storey the TV show that requires some work. I was doing podcast once a week, there was some work. That's all very good fun. This he the whole point of this he the whole point of going right. I'm a I'm a big, big believer, passionate believer in you just got to create a bit of a void, to figure out what the next step is, especially even for the credit world when like, I get frustrated by fact. But our lives were very fortunate. Like we would have a radio contract for three years. So you'd have a TV deal for two years, whatever. And and it always just seemed like you were not, by the time you're coming to the end of one you'd already late from that with the other one, you had something you love Dean and then most Tommy coming to the end of that you'd leapfrog that with another one. Again, that's a lovely problem to have if you want to have a job and stay employed. But I think that comes a time when you like well, just having a contract is not the name of the game here. Like figuring out the Annie said like meaningful next step becomes the name of the game. And especially for me, like with my with with kids, and the most common thing that you get, like from every
just literally snoring as I'm trying to drill down on my philosophy for meaning in life. I was
lucky, it's just you know, I'd like I just kind of feel like I got a 10 month old and a four year old. And I sort of feel like the best moment of my life is staring at me in the eyes right now. And I don't want to, I don't want we've been absent for a while I don't want to miss it. And I'm really lucky in the sense that I can do that. Like we can wind down a little bit professionally. For a while we're still you know, it won't be long, I'm sure until we figure out what we're doing next. Or we decide what we're going to do next. And we are we have things that we're doing. But I'm just in I get my manager for this. He was just don't be busy. I guess Don't be busy. A lot of people are like, I'm not one of the guys were when someone's like, Hey, man, how do I keep them busy? My whole goal is to not be busy. I've really tried to do these things, you see that I'm like, that should be the things you do when you have been able to like fight for a bit of space, and that we're going away for kinda like 10 weeks this year, like overseas. And, you know, my wife runs like an empire. And she's had to fight harder than I ever used to live, like fight for that space to doing radio every day. Obviously, you can't go overseas for 10 years. Yeah.
Is that is that an exclusive 1010 years 10 years
contract to the show from a lie for about five years, and no one knows. But that's the thing. Like I'm just not, I'm just I'm actively trying to not be busy. And you do like good. It is fun ideas bubble up. I'm just not in a rush to commas like, yeah, activate anything. Like I'm not not I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I'm having a bowl. Like I've had a few days with Josh, I'm like, you know, we've gone for lunch for 45 minutes and just ended up hanging out for three hours. Like, that's, that, to me. That is like a wonderful use of time because I'm just loving not having to be rushing to the net.
And I'm like, severely procrastinating. And
this place has sitting, but like that's, that's a luxury. And I still mentally actually mentally feel a bit like it's between Christmas and New Year's at the moment. I love that time. I know everyone's going back to work madman, I'd say early January, like a few people back to work. Although, like I know what June. But I love I've loved that feeling. And I just got to spend a lot of time hanging out with the kids. And like, you know, we just get to, we've just got to do weekends of why or like, you know, just go on a little mini adventures and you're not, I haven't been constricted by thing that like a work thing that I've got to do. Every writer has the most fun job in the world and certainly doing dr with endo is the funnest version of it. The only downside is like, if it is a downside, it regularly pins you to that studio six hours a day. And so now the one thing I'm doing is just enjoying doing the stuff that you can do when you're not paying to a studio for 6000. This position you're in now,
is it a goal? Did you ever have that in your head of that's where you want to end up? Or is it?
Maybe I know, I know, whatever the thing that comes next, whatever it is that happens next, I reckon I'll be a result of just letting letting the dust settle me writing a bit of a void? No, and I'm not not I'm just not rushing to do anything. And I mean, I know when something bubbles up, I'll decide to do it because it looks like fun or a good challenge.
I think society struggles with that idea. Like I think that the fact that your default is to talk about the beard and all that sort of thing. Like it's it's a uncomfortable realisation that some people can't hand like if if people doing a nine to five, or they going to work or they're doing like there's all these expectations that we have, right where it's like, you need to do this, you need to do that. And it's like, there's even ambition like what is it? Like, what does ambition mean to you? Do you think? Yeah,
I mean, I think the older I get, the more I realise
the ambition I have is to
do something that's fulfilling and maybe has a good level of meaning to it because it's sort of like our I feel like my whatever it is at hand good at and I enjoy doing I'm applying those skills to a good spot that has a good effect. It has good like, and I would say like doing comedy is a good meaningful job because like you guys, you know, you doesn't matter how many people are listening to the show. It has an impact on people's lives and like that's something I want to do and that's something I enjoy doing. And it's I think where my in the ballpark of where my talents lie. So like all right, well that's my ambition is to be able to do something that has meaning but also to not get to not i think i guess to not lose sight of proper of what you what you know what you more meaningful goals will be like, I don't want I don't want to turn around and Mikey like kids crops so quick, like ferocious. I want to turn around and be like shit, I've got teenage kids and I my biggest fear would have been that thing we like, I didn't want to feel like every year I'd be promising that next year I'd slow down. Yeah. And I didn't want to. I didn't want to be I didn't want the kids to be it and go.
I guess I always just thought I'd slow down lighter. Yeah. And I don't know. It's like, feels like a bit of an audacious move. But I in a Michael I'm 36. And maybe let's just see what happens if you slow down for you. And it's fun. What has been learning so far? It's great fun.
Yeah. It's it's only because you know, you going back to something like but I don't know,
I'm going back. Like even if that was it? I think he just realised like so well, maybe that's it. Like even if channel non or commercial radio or whatever. It was like the companies and the institutions I've worked with turn around said, Hey, man, you know, you left the like, we have a rule. If you don't love it, and you're not here every day, you're out. I would go great. All right. Like, the funny thing you realise once you leave a radio station, and I would say this is the plus to me job is you get out into the real world. And you're like, Oh my god, there's so many other things happening up here. No one really cares that much. Yeah, what it was was doing isn't about when I was there every day everyone's listening. Everyone's conditioned to feel like it's all that matters. Because that's how you keep everyone in the building. Management not walking around going, Hey, guys, targets but just like, you know, none of this matters. And when you're 85 All you care about is how much time you spend with your family. Dude, I see you later Have a good day,
I saw on a radio website, a thread of people talking about this exact thing. You know, there's so there's life after radio. And now really, any job you know what I mean?
Like, I'm sure if you worked like in retail sales and you could you could be like you can be obsessed with your targets and making sure you hit that and like what stores doing what are you going to make manager this month? And that's all good stuff. Because it's like we're gonna we'll we'll want to contribute to society and have interesting jobs and and have things that we fulfil bands. I love doing that, no doubt. But there's just that thing of going. Ultimately, it's like,
well, we create a small worlds. It's like how it's, it's like who we follow on social media and stuff like that. If someone goes off social media, nothing happens. Yeah. And then I'm like, I don't necessarily like they go off your radar a little bit in some regards.
That game with myself from like I said, maybe breaks from it without doing that thing. Will you tell everyone you've taken a break? Like to get attention for the fact that you didn't want attention for a while. But, but I'm like, for like, let's say I don't even know how many people I've had lots like four or 500. I often play that many gaming myself, like, you know, let's say like Kelly slider, not a huge surfing fan. He's a good guy. But like, I follow him, right? And so I would be part of his million people or 10 million people who are following him so much attention given that it's like, but the point is, I noticed like I was just thinking about this the other day, like, sure when he posts I noticed something but I wouldn't if he stopped posting. Yeah, if anyone that I thought was surprising and be like, Oh, my God was under Kelly Slater. I'm gonna go to his profile page, you just say What's up? Yeah. Which, which? Of course, no one would do that. You just be like, yeah, a 500 other people were posting and so I gave them my attention. And like, Who cares what Kelly like john, do whatever you doing today, you might be on a hike. You might be hanging out with his family or like hiking somewhere. Possibly surfing. But it's that thing going. But if we're to go off we if when we're like I'm taking a break, or you hear people be like, Oh my god, I haven't posted in two weeks. Like I don't think anyone notices that he's he's he's got some breaking news feed. No one cares. And that's not a bad thing. Yeah, you should be relieved by that. Because it you not beholden to having to feed this animal. Like no one will care if you don't post. I'm not saying people don't appreciate it when you do post. Just so you know, no one will care if
we feel the pressure because you know, what we're trying to build Josh? Yeah. And our businesses Yeah, show. And you do feel that pressure to be throwing stuff out there. Because also the thing of, and this is what we've built the daily talk show on is nobody gives a fuck
yeah. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't do
exactly, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. But the awesome thing is that, that whole filter means that what we talk about and what we like, we need to enjoy doing it. We're not doing this to say on social media. Yeah, I think we will find that thing of going like shit. I you know, I gotta fade something like I had a good run for a bit or whatever.
Yeah, like, what am I going to put up? And it's just not like, that's when I think it's got it's got a hold of people for the wrong reasons. Because it's like, hey, like, I had to break it to you. But guess what, you now work for Facebook for free? Because you're sitting there at night going shit, what can I? What? What an amazing company like, you've got people sitting there going, how can I add? How can I contribute? How can I do some work for Facebook, which is essentially what we're saying? How can I spend my time working for Facebook to create things that will capture other people's attention? So Facebook can sell ads? You How can I do that? And we'd like dedicating all these mental real estate to like, It's unbelievable. Like a mess. We're not sitting here going, shit, man, I went for a session. I'm just wondering how I could come up with a mortgage product friends ID that would get more first homebuyers locked into a fixed term. I don't work that I'm just interested in, like, how can I help the business? It's just as a weird thing to do. However, if I could think of a new role for brumbies, that would be like a real killer. We're all just love to see them do it?
Well, that's what's great about the reason that I think Tommy and i doing the podcast is partly because it is platform agnostic, which means that it can be played anywhere. It's not owned by any algorithm. It's like, we can park it wherever we want. It could be that I think people get obsessed with is a radio, is it a podcast is it's all like, the reality with podcasting was before 2004, you could listen to audio, just like you could with a podcast, the only difference was, you're adding an RSS feed, and you can subscribe, right? Literally, the extra step was just taken away. So you just get it downloaded straightaway. And that's it like these, I think that we get obsessed with the platforms too. So it's like people talking about how we're going to beat the algorithm, how we going to do this, how we're going to do that. But like, us, as humans have these like core things that even if you go back really far haven't changed
takes your attention. And what I was gonna say like, just a brand at that point was like, that's why like podcasting, social media, these have have great applications. But I think, for my Maya philosophy is like, if you're, if you can stay in that space, we're doing it for fun, we're doing it because you're enjoying doing it, like, like, you guys are enjoying doing the podcast, like you'd enjoy making the show. And so you shouldn't like it's great, it's a, it's that perfect mix of like, or it's a challenge. And it's and we never know what's gonna happen. And like, you're making something like, it's fun to make things and that and I like social media. Because, you know, when you have an idea that kind of like suits that format, it's fun to make things like it's fun to create something like create a moment credit feeling of create a, you know, create a credit, small piece of entertainment, or a storey or whatever it is, if you're in the mood. And that's, that's why you did it. Because you were like I had this, this thing is something that feels like it'll be fun to make that for now. And then you leave it right. So that's, that's used for good, I think,
let's use it within a social context. But what about if you actually want to what is the equivalent of what you would doing within radio, the live raids and all that sort of thing? How do you how do you do that within a social media context that when
you mean, you look at libraries as a bit of a cost of doing business?
I suppose. So is that like a sponsored post is the cost of doing business? That was it? Yeah,
more. I mean, it was a job. More so like, I mean, there is in any commercial for like radio, TV is bit of a deal with the devil, because it's like, well, we don't just get, we just get paid to do this, because radio stations and not people who want you to have money for having fun. You're it's the same business model with selling attention, like the right sessions selling attention, obviously, to advertisers like the game, we can put shit on our network, they'll capture millions people attention in the afternoon, and we can sell them, we can sell their ears to you. And they'll listen to your ads. And we're part of that winning web part of that equation. That's what commercial radio is, if you don't want to be part of that, then that's Triple J's. So you know, an hour and our judgement call, I suppose is going on that, well, we think we could still exist in that atmosphere. And it still be a good deal for people like we hopefully we can create a show where even though you have to listen to add, it's still the trade off still worth it for people in the afternoon. And that was our that's your that's your judgement call. And I says Same thing with hot spots oppose it Nothing is people doing sponsored posts or, or using their social media or, or their Facebook or whatever it is a podcast for an income stream. If you still think the trade offs worth it for your, your people, your that you build your community that you build, if you like, all right, well, I think I'm making the call here. I guess the moderator like the curator of this, this, this little microcosm, I think this is worth it to you guys, I still think this is worth it. Maybe it's maybe it's making you sit through an ad maybe it's put up a sponsored post, but I still think it could be funny and and it's a product that you guys that people could conceivably lock. And if you if you really, really high that the cost is you scroll past it, and like if that's what you had to pay, and then the rest is still fun. And maybe that's I think that's still worth
it's such a new days, too, because it's so many bills go wrong. So many people like
you essentially sort of going I love what, you know, social media is super fun, and you build a community and podcasting for us with you guys is super fun. You've got a great community, and you become protective of that community to which I think is a good thing. Like we're safe and protective podcast community. I, you know, like, I haven't really ever done I've done like, flooded with like a brand partnerships here and there with with like stuff on my butt massively not like, you know, I don't really look at dams. But when I do, I'm like, no, sorry, sorry. Like, you just, it's just full of people going, Hey, we're teeth whitening, we're furniture, we're whatever. And that's fine people doing that. That's good luck to him. But you sort of like all right, well, I reckon it comes down to not grossly deviating from what people expect. Yeah. So it's like if you built a world, that way, you're advertising shit all the time, right? Because that's what people expect from that account. And that's what people expect from that experience. And if you like, we just started on commercial radio, we would never wear anything else. No one, no one was surprised to hear us doing ads or doing the things that people do on commercial radio, we'd have started on Triple J and got you know, a following after two or three years and then decided to jump to commercial radio. That's a hard a good change to make, even though it's the end result would have been the same. Yeah, it would have people come with us know what to expect from
triple the Triple J narrative, the media loving that. I feel like that's the like the last Hamish Blake mention of saying is, what was it it was, you guys were given a deal or something to trouble? I think you made a mention on some podcast, and then they got on. It jumped on. So I
And so the Did you ever feel within the context of commercial radio? Did you ever feel like it tipped towards you guys just feeling like used as a, as puppets are not even public? Just sort of like this, this product? And have you felt burnout before?
I mean, not not, not burn out from that. I think that's that's where it comes down to relationships. Like if, you know, in that commercial world, like at the end of the day, you're you sign a contract that says was the effective, we pay you money, you do these things that we work? Well, you know, you are part of a commercial network. So like, I don't know if it actually says it in there, but I'm sure it does, like, I'm sure there is actually language going. If you have to do if a client has to, you have to write a message, you got to write a message like or whatever it is, like, the actual nuts and bolts of this is what we're paying you to do, like your
equivalent of the show notes.
The show notes is the legal show notes. But I mean, you know, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, that's the black and white, right? Then you're putting your faith in the people you work with, like in the management in the right calls, like, please be also, you know, it'll be in your interest to protect us. And that so they believe their faith in you to try and do the right thing by the, the, you know, the clients, I guess that they need to serve, you're putting your faith in them to try and not get you in situations where you're going to be abused to the letter of the contract, even if they could. And that's where relationships come into it. And we've been super lucky. And then some people don't at this lucky but like, we stayed in the same spot for 1012 years, like a Southern Cross where we were, we still sort of our Southern Cross, because, you know, for a few key people like our programme director, guy that ran the station, Dave, always had our back, like higher up the upper echelons of the company, always, like we had a great relationship with those guys. Like you always trusted those people to not put you in positions where you were going to get exploited, even though they possibly could have for short term gain, according to whatever contract you signed. So that was always that's always that balancing, I recommend if you didn't have that kind of relationship with that competition, maybe you're more inclined to get burnout. Like you can't be Do you know, sit there and be like, this is not what I expected. Is
that having two friends of yours now?
You'd have to say that? Not really. I mean, but you see it, I mean, I spies. But again, like you gotta take it with a grain of salt. Like we wouldn't have. We knew what we're getting into. We're lucky we have great people around us. Just say situations like it, like any relationship, if everyone's trying to help the, if someone's going into it going, how can I help the people were in this with rather than how can I protect myself? It's just such a better I
like playing a game of the commercial, right? Because I felt like when I was within the industry, it was almost a game I wasn't applying. Yep. And I look at my mate Ryan over in Perth. He's, I think he's good at playing the game. Yeah,
it probably is a little bit of a game. I suppose you know, where to push and where to yield a little bit. And we just sort of felt that out. And I'm sure there were a lot of times early on where it was like, I don't know, this doesn't you just end up doing stuff for me? Because it's hard and exhausting. There's a 500 things going on. And you just end up doing something? And like, yeah, maybe it was bad. Or maybe she maybe was just like a real crass sell out. But the other the other the other cabinet was like no one remembers you I'm sure we did some terrible stuff like some just because we will like we didn't come up with a better idea in time. And then that we will often afford that number like no, no, we don't want to do this let us think of something better. And if we did, that was great. But that always required a lot of effort to try and kind of top what what a commercial idea was that was put in front of us to try and be like, not can we remodelled that. And sometimes he didn't like us forgot to run out of time. And then you guess what bad luck you doing a bad idea? Tried to limit those. I'm sure there were plenty of them. But like this get swept away. And I'm sure those if you go back and find an odd bit from 2009.
for anyone and now there's just like a heinous back catalogue of things that are horrific. No one can be bothered. It was just going to be last.
Tommy brings it up because I told a squeegee storey back 30 episodes ago, which and I just brought it up anyway. Finally, what's what's your thoughts on when you say what TJ and I are working on? You know, this sort of realm? Like what sort of outside looking in, you know, other people doing podcasts? What's your commentary on what's happening at the moment? But in terms of what you guys are doing?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I reckon it comes back to what we were talking about. I think it's, I genuinely think it's great with what you guys are doing. because number one, you're doing it, which already puts you ahead of 99% of the field, because you're doing and you committed to something you set yourself as a benchmark. It's, it's it's funny, and it's, you know, it's a bit scary. It's a bit like, you know, you didn't go Are we going to do 100 shows, and we know it's going in every show. It was like, Well, we've you built in a funny way, like you kind of built an algorithm, which was like do one show. If completed? Do one more? Yeah, like you ran that programme. And that's just you don't know what it's going to
programme to stop thinking we're overthinking, right, which is gronk,
which so many people do. I'm guilty of it all the time. Like, I love that you guys are doing it, because the easiest way to not do something is to be like well, I'll just wait until it feels perfect. I went to it really say it, and you just started doing it and you start doing it because it's fun, because my dad was saying before was like this, because what we're talking about, like why the idea is you just want one that feels fun. Like it feels the step that like the physical act of putting one foot in the other in front of the other is feeling fun. Even if you don't know what you're walking to the physical act of the motion of doing it of the momentum of doing a show, clearly is fun for you guys, that's the reason to do it
is the V is creative endeavour I've committed to it yet it hasn't had money attached to it. But it's also felt the easiest, because it's just been, you know,
I feel like it's like having low expectations with connecting that with ambition and creativity and enjoyment feels like a good. So like we're not expecting like heaps, heaps of listeners or whatever. And the hope is that if we do lots and lots and lots, it just gets better and better and better as I think to you just put, I mean, someone said it was really early days that were like he just need flying. I was just no
shortcut to it. Like there's just no shortcut. It doesn't matter how much natural talent someone has. If they never start doing it, they will be really quickly trumped by the guys that had no talent did 50 shows, because that's what counts. So
I've heard quite a few people say about you that you have a lot of natural talent. I'm sure you do. How much hard work is there into in that as well? Because I think that's left out of the equation a couple of times that I've heard people saying that
I reckon that whatever the man of habit he's that's the bit that changes you from just whatever the shape of rough, rough butterfly into something else. Yeah, better or worse. Like, I definitely sound a lot different than I used to on a like a hear back old times. I'm like, I was like, somehow very nice, little fast. I must have like a British accent. Because I was a you know, what if I don't even remember consciously choosing to be like that, but it's just nerves. Like,
just Josh had a Russian accent.
It's a heightened sense, I think, right? It's the, it's the reason that like, it's easy to fall into. It's the daily talk. I'm a doing a performance, and I'm Josh Janssen and this, it's that fucking under the it's it. That's it. That's the area which like at the beginning, you, you, you try and act like you're ready to be there or a defence mechanism
to just be like, if I'm high energy. And I'm laughing a lot not saying fast things. Yeah. Then Then I'm sitting on paper. I must be having a good time. Yeah, you can't, you will never find out. I'm scared. If I'm yelling. No. Yeah, but I guess it's just that I never fall into that trap in our version of that, I think because no one just sort of comes on air. And there was just a pure, but you just thought synthesis takes a long time, I think to get to realise that if the worst in the game and isn't that bad? So just just basically just calm down? Yeah, it takes a while to calm down. Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes like years of American five years, six years it took to calm down.
And what about the dynamic change between when it's at Sorry? And that that's
pretty much a little hard work? Yes, I can. That's the difference. Like just even if it's not, how about just the just trying to run it again. Like just do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again, like do a few thousand shows. And it's like, all right, you'll just naturally change. Yeah, I guess the hard work is just to make sure you keep turning up and doing all the things you need to do to make sure you're enjoying it. And you're doing it for the right reasons. What
was the conversation at the beginning, like what I'm really curious about and I don't necessarily think many people do a good job of explaining it is you can talk about the success that you have now and you can look maybe a year, two years, three years back, but I feel like a lot of people who are successful don't do a good job of actually talking about the early days. If you try and get into that moment. What was it actually like when you rocked up at the radio station in the morning? Like was it texting with and oh, during that like, in the evenings about this what we're going to talk about or like, put yourself in that position? What was the vibe like?
to, to probably follow on from the previous point, I reckon there was a lot of doing honestly, a lot of doing what we thought you should be doing. Like probably 90% of what we were doing was stuff we thought you should be doing and remember we're young to see kind of like trying to show off to each other and and
foreigners have you shaved your dog
Yeah, very good.
At what bird If I were you but there was like a visit that natural thing like you remember like when you're young It's that thing of lock you know what's up? Yeah, we're working we did a lot of that, like we would nervous and we wanted it to be good, but we also were probably just trying to do the thing we thought you should be doing in that we got lucky out of that like that just gets you to turn up I reckon because that otherwise you might just be too scared to turn off if it was like not everything has to be like completely original or whatever. Or having said that we'd like to be like but now we want to do things differently want to like
the reference point of that it wouldn't just
be another radio show it would have just been who else was else was on or maybe looking back at like the stuff with love Malloy dies or whatever. What that is American anyone in the creative field does this. You're just trying on different. Like you're just trying to pattern match a few different other things to see if that feels like you.
And I thought you're gonna say hats and it was going to remind me of the first time I ever interviewed you on Josh speaking. It was like, hot chocolate head on. I still got but it was, that was the one hat that I've kept. But I remember you hadn't done many podcasts at all at that time. And would just sort of connected and I was so excited about interviewing you and I remember to like spending way too long trying deconstructing like your thought process on
da da Josh was like what's what's that like? You have a strategy with you have this I was like, man, I didn't even realise that Hello.
But yeah, like trying and a lot of hats like and you would not you would know that I've like I'm very active and commercial when it comes to re brands and
declare losses are a big one. Yeah,
I am every single time and I
I still can't miss the old losses.
You say that but this is the thing like I am had the biggest fuck off beard you've ever seen. And he was having a go at my glasses, which I think it was a bit rich. But kill it. Tell me what you declared the other day. What did I do?
The guys have dropped the hat.
Oh, yeah, well, yeah, I'm not I don't anymore.
It's really elegant. This new Josh is done off. I'm ready for it. Because all Josh was like hats and thick glasses. I was like, hey, that fits our perception of Josh. Now it's like only you. It's like you play cello. You only wear concert. concert flexing you have this closet. these are these are the new promo shots we went. And if you got to raise your hand you might as well have promo shots. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a big right. It's really good. But you've gone into your black and white you don't wear a hat.
Is it to try hard?
Because I'm not trying hard. But does it look like
it's one of Josh's big concerns is
definitely one of those photos. We're like we're trying to tell a storey in the photo because you've got like the recording equipment
is this is my biggest concern. And I wanted to talk I'd said to to one of the the only things I said to tell me that I wanted to tell your monitoring
levels. You've got the equipment slung over the Hangout, but
this is Tommy's Mike technique if you sit like it's outrageous. The
normal primer shots
will say this was like
all the pressures of the voices and everyone just sitting there with their backs to the wall like scratching my head trying to listen to music. It's them all friends in a smile. Yeah, that's not them doing the show.
What was it? I just feel like over the course of your screenshot.
Every time it would just be a screenshot. But you're around. He's He's Luther. His new cover is him just knocking on the door like the back of his head waiting for the door to open. Because that's what he does.
Have you had bad photo shoot experiences were terrible, terrible weapons.
This goes into early days you're like all right, well, what does everyone do? Like you do know what it is? I recognise you on a offer whatever new industry, you're just expecting that people will be able to tell you what to do essentially like to go on and as you do this, then you realise no one knows. Yeah, there was making it up. Yeah. Then after all you go well, if everyone's making up we might as well make it up. Yeah. And then better job of it, then I should be like, well hang on a second that people are asking us how to do it. And we know we're making some power. We must have just got a bit further down the chain. So early days promise Yeah, all the time. It became a running joke at the time we just fell for always where we were like All right, you guys. What do you guys do mates? Yeah, we might just end up designing it with him.
what his name
was getting in a headlock. There are so many
two or three photo shoots really guys before we just learned that you are allowed to go on? I don't know if that's us. I don't think we'll do that. Just constantly in a headlock is like a judo championships. But constantly over the insecurity
Did you have insecurities? Like I think that I've got a slide in security. I think that one of the slurs within radio, is if there's any with of someone thinking you're trying to be high mission, Andy. It's like the sucks
for everyone else. Because we really we just pause that position by being to go like this, so many people that will come along. Here we go tell Blackboard to Hamish and Andy. Mike, that's really sucks because I can definitely not think you're trying to behind me say you just happen to be two male friends. I'm so sorry. We know that from you. And I've been long enough since Martin Malloy. But no one accused us of stealing,
right. It's what I had early days, I told someone who's quite high up in radio, they said, you know, there's a lot of, you know, kind of similar Hamish and Andy podcasts out there.
Yeah. What would you tell them? It's like, God, there's only really two. So I mean, I mean, I don't get into the debate about gender fluidity. But there's guys and girls on the planet. Yeah. And like, so if two people are doing something, there's really only four combinations that can be like kind of one quarter of all the combinations of humans? Do you think that there's just gonna be, you know, if you were us? Is there like I haven't, I haven't thought about what we're doing is mainstream at all. Is that the difference that what you were doing? Was this mainstream pursuit or being the the one that you have in the car and not be offensive? Like,
which I think that's all that's all the stuff that you try. And like, pretend there was a plan. In retrospect, yeah, I was just doing my best I was he was tearing up every day. algorithm was trying to make the other guy laugh. Let's see how this guy's Yeah. Because we're in a commercial network or commercial TV network. The reason cause there is, yeah, there's a few other considerations, and you're aware that you're being paid money to do it. And if you want to keep earning that money, or you want to keep getting a chance to do it, again, you have to be good enough to hit a certain threshold, like, whatever that number is, like, there is a line in the sand somewhere. Whereas if less people than this amount, listen, I'm sorry, but we have to get someone else. So you guys don't get to do this anymore. But if more people listen, congratulations, you do get to do it again. So that was the you know, the goal was keep doing it because it's fun. But you guys, you will get to do so 101 you because you're in charge of it. Yeah. So you've already met you've met that goal.
And we'll talk about that
Yeah. If you like, will sorry. We've got a thing on the website where if 100 people don't opt into the show, we don't do one thing. Yeah, you might find yourself trying to tweak stuff to get that those tix in the box but that's what makes it so good. You're not Yeah, you don't have
I mean, even Tommy said something the other day that really resonated with me, which was, I think it used to be cool to have a boss right so you think about even Hamish Nadia was like, a grumpy diver said we can't do this fun was amazing. Yeah. And enemy.
Yeah. And the basics like oh, yeah, that was
a bit but now. Like, they feels like there's a shift now which is like, people will still on air doing that sort of thing. But
the murder recently, somebody doing that exact same shirt.
Yeah. Which is like Oh, the buses and said, we can't do this, but we're going to do it anyway. We're in fucking buses. And we'll just we're going to publish this shit.
Now to be the boss.
Yeah, you guys are the bosses of this bunker.
Yeah, bloody Yeah. That's why we can talk for as long as we want. Yeah, until I get some social cue that we have to end we're just going to keep on going well, let me say this as a prediction, as we wrap up the hundredth episode
of Episode 1000, this show will have either become something else or sparked a new idea, like this, will this show have been the platform for the next genesis of you guys, and it could well be massive. But it might not be this show, you know, me, it might be the thing that you needed to do 630 episodes of before the penny dropped and the light went on. And suddenly, it became so obvious to you that you couldn't believe you didn't think of it 630 shows earlier. But my philosophy is my my belief is you got to do those 630 shows to find like you gotta you just gotta go on the journey to get the Epiphany like, you know, you gotta if you want your quiet space to have an idea, you gotta you gotta push your you gotta shop, you just keep doing the work to get to the next spot. There's no, it would never have happened if you just were like, all right, well, you know, when we go on a holiday, I'm really, really, really think about our futures until
you the fastest way to paradox to get to
hang on. Isn't that what you're doing? You see, 10 weeks, slightly,
slightly different, slightly different thing. My goal is to not be busy, so I just, I'll make it Yeah, I will achieve that goal.
Right now going full, I can just go to limp, and I'll all win.
But for you guys to go right. Well wait, like, Where's this? Where's the next iteration coming? Like, where's the next level coming? A promise. He was just on the other side of keeping on doing it.
We gonna get to 630 we come back from
at 630. I don't know what it is. I can't say what it is we already
at 630 that was it. Like, Oh, yeah.
I remember counting the episodes.
Now. I was saying in hindsight, we went back and we were like, generously. I think diverse. I was like 40 weeks 200 200 a year. But it was probably whitelist and
pastors are a bit of a joke in the sense of how we count the shit like is every
day. like where do we 40 a year. It's outrageous. The song I'm a dance my making about our podcast, because we have nothing else to promote. So like we're doing publicity about our podcast. Yeah. And it was a great podcast. Well done. I see they're going yeah, but we've been thinking about 3000 episodes. We just never really what's never been the only thing we had to talk about. So we've never mentioned that before.
Well, Joe Rogan 1000 1150 years.
Yeah. Right. Like the radio show. Like that's what I was saying to you, TJ like you did all these episodes in Shepperton. And the thing about these lads they going
to literally unplug
the the system is that there's like lots of people do that in regional areas. Not so thing. And we've created a system where they sort of boxed into a certain spot, okay, so you got Metro, you've got regional, that sort of thing. And podcasting is like, democratising all of that and saying that I like that we create confusion where we can get promo shots done, and look like a big fucking Breakfast Show. And we're just two dudes making no money on this.
I think you might have you've cracked a little bit of a you kind of trumping up. I'm just telling you just tell everyone this is it,
man. Thanks so much for spending the time I think total pleasure The thing is the thing that I always tell when people say what time is like, I think that people underestimate due to the fact that you're so funny. People forget how or don't realise how thoughtful intelligent and just like a good person you are. So thanks Josh. He might use my
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