Steam room friends

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 84. I'm Josh Janson.

Tommy: I'm Tommy Jackett.

Josh: And it's Friday.

Tommy: It's a Friday fun one.

Josh: Yeah boy, a Friday fun one. I think that might be— is that a Hamish and Andy?

Tommy: No, they're Pants Off Friday.

Josh: Yeah, okay, Friday fun one.

Tommy: And I'll fucking wear no pants if I want. They can't just— just because they're making bank. Yeah, and they have the biggest, biggest ratings. Um, we'll just be saying this copy. Uh, so man, I fucking had the funniest thing happen to me.

Josh: I'll be the judge. What happened?

Tommy: I went— so I was at the gym and I, um, I had a meeting right near my gym. And I mean, I could just leave it at say I went to the gym. I did not fucking use any exercise equipment. I was just close by having a meeting, so I ended up going to the gym to use the sauna. The steam room, sorry, steam room.

Josh: Difference between a steam room and a sauna?

Tommy: Sauna's dry.

Josh: Okay, steam room.

Tommy: Steam is like just—

Josh: Can't be on your phone in the steam room?

Tommy: I fucking saw a dude on his iPhone in there.

Josh: He's a bit tweaked.

Tommy: You're keen, dude. It's fucking 40, it's 50 degrees in there and you get completely wet. Anyway, so there's a few—

Josh: Also, just get a life, bro. In the sense of that dude with his iPhone, just—

Tommy: I know, just take your business outside. Because he was definitely doing business. So, are you a steam room guy? Like, I mean, you just asked, you didn't even know what the fuck a steam room was.

Josh: Well, I, you know, the saunas seem to be the hot thing at the moment, pun intended. That's, I've started doing little 60 and 30-second grabs of the best bits of the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: Yeah, I know.

Josh: Just found this bit. If you're hearing this on Instagram, No, the— I've never done a sauna, never done a steam room. Yeah. Mainly because of other people. Okay.

Tommy: Well, I feel you.

Josh: Well, that's the exact problem when it comes to saunas. Another zinger.

Tommy: Fuck off.

Josh: Fuck. This Instagram, it's gonna be full.

Tommy: So, I was— I'm a bit judgy sometimes.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: And I feel like I'm letting you in on my thoughts because a lot of the time I'm proved wrong. And I was— this is one of those moments where I, I walked past the, the steam room and I looked in. There was this dude, sort of a gray-haired, sort of a head of like a top knot or like a ponytail.

Josh: I feel like you're about to say something highly offensive, but go ahead.

Tommy: No, definitely not, definitely not. Super tanned. And I looked in and he's fucking shaving. He's got a razor and he's shaving in the steam room. And so, you know, I'm already triggered by another guy who's been going to the gym where I go for 20 years, and after every fucking shower puts fucking baby powder on him and it goes all over the ground and he doesn't clean it up.

Josh: And you've never said anything.

Tommy: Oh, it's not my place, but I judge him.

Josh: But you, you— it's interesting, Tommy Jacket saying it's not my place, because I feel like that's definitely not your mantra.

Tommy: Well, he's been there for 20 years. It's fucking his place.

Josh: It's his place.

Tommy: He's probably the owner.

Josh: It's actually— he's been there for so long that the, the baby powder's become sort of a crusty Every day, every fucking day, the dude's in there doing it.

Tommy: It's how— it's so thoughtful.

Josh: But what's— how do you use baby powder anyway?

Tommy: Yeah, I think he uses it on like his back for the shirt so the shirt doesn't chafe. I don't know, mate. If it's another thing, if you—

Josh: sounds like the whole Brad Roll episode, the massage, just putting on—

Tommy: well, let's just say he's not a chiselled man. Yeah, he's—

Josh: maybe it helps with his bed sores or something.

Tommy: Well, that's what I'm thinking. So anyway, I already judged that guy and I don't even know him.

Josh: And he goes to the gym every day and he's not ripped. If you go to the gym every day and you're not ripped, you're fucking doing it wrong. Is he going for Patrick's press? That's a good point. But that's the biggest point of them all, isn't it? Is he literally just go— is he just using it, the bathroom, and going home?

Tommy: There's benefits in just going to the gym even if you aren't getting ripped and rock hard.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So anyway, I judge that bloke.

Josh: Like the steam room.

Tommy: And maybe I shouldn't. So basically the lesson is this, maybe don't— maybe I I shouldn't fucking judge people so quickly because I went into the sauna and I— and I was to the steam room and I was thinking, fuck, this is going to be funny. It's just me and him in there.

Josh: And, and wait, to be clear, is the guy that's shaving the one that's normally the baby pet?

Tommy: No, no, no, I was just saying that's— that's— I'm already triggered at the gym by someone else and I've judged it, but it's a different guy. And so I thought, fuck, this guy's gonna be— he's a jerk shaving the in there. And so I opened up with killing two birds one stone, and he kind of laughed. And I said, oh, you know, getting your shaving in your steam room done. He's like, oh yeah, it's a bit naughty. They fucking— they, they have a go at me, but it's— it is fine. I wash it down. I've, you know, there's a— there's like a hose tap in there. And so automatically I was like, yeah, it's a fucking good point. Anyway, we got into this great conversation.

Josh: Can I guess the conversation?

Tommy: No. Yes, you can.

Josh: Well, I'll give it a go. Uh, was it about steam being great for opening up the pores? Do you talk about that? Okay, you didn't go there. No, that's just what I would have said, going back to my Queer Eye for the Straight Guy days. You need to open up the pores. It's probably the best place to be doing it. But what did you— what the fuck did you talk about with Shavey, man?

Tommy: Man, he's a, um, head of fucking lighting production at a network in Melbourne. For a television network.

Josh: Oh, interesting.

Tommy: And so we were talking about— no, no, he's like head of— I don't know what it is, I didn't quite get it, but he had just really interesting thoughts around the, the landscape of TV and the shows that are on. And then he handed me this lotion that he was using. It was like in a— it was a bottle.

Josh: He shared lube. That's cute.

Tommy: Fuck off, mate. But he's like, yeah, try some of this eucalyptus. And I was like, fucking sick. And it was like naughty as well because you're not allowed to use fucking shampoo products in there.

Josh: We've got a title for this episode: Naughty in the Steam Room. You're being so naughty.

Tommy: But I walked away. I've got his email address. I'm gonna fucking—

Josh: Are you kidding me? This is—

Tommy: So the gym I go to is full of gay people.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I said to somebody after I walked out, I said, I've had this, had this fucking great chat in the steam room. And they just looked at me at this gym. Fucking what that means is something completely different. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I just sucked his cock.

Josh: I just sucked his cock.

Tommy: But I just thought, fuck, it is so easy to just to see somebody and triggered by what they're doing and judge them. Because I thought about this fucking asshole shaving himself in the shower, like, who fucking does that?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then I was in there, I was like, I get it. Wow, I've got to be less judgy because the person—

Josh: you could be getting emails. And so are you going to email him now?

Tommy: Yeah, if anything, I— because I told him I've got a production company and it's, you know, very new age style of content, online stuff.

Josh: VR, we're doing VR.

Tommy: No, he loves it. He's like, fuck yeah, that's awesome. And I don't know, so you—

Josh: what do you wear?

Tommy: Yeah, so you wear, um, I— he was wearing undies.

Josh: What brand?

Tommy: Bonds. Okay, because I have this same pair and I, I just wear my shorts that I train in the gym. Okay, some dudes go fucking full nude.

Josh: Yeah, it's a real commitment. I do because it's a bit of a hip cool thing to do. Uh, Joe Rogan, Tim Ferriss, they're doing—

Tommy: Campton, he's fucking well, really, sorry, steam rooms. But saunas and steam rooms are cool at the moment.

Josh: And also, cryo.

Tommy: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Jumping into like a freezing cold.

Tommy: And float tanks, salt float tanks.

Josh: Yeah. I would be way more into cryo and it's got nothing to do with the temperature and everything to do with cryo you do individually.

Tommy: You finally have an excuse for that small dick you got.

Josh: So many, you know, I did an Instagram storey before saying, hey guys, should we swear less? On the podcast, but I've accused you of sucking a guy off and you've accused me of having a swamp tix. Both true. We, um, we're in a silly mood. I think it's because we, um, we were planning on doing the podcast earlier and we started, uh, having conversations. We were, we were going deep, deep work, deep work, and the, um And it, I don't know if people would realise or think of how much thought we actually put it, we're putting into this.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, joke's on us, we're not fucking making any money. We've got families and businesses to run.

Josh: Annoyingly, the one day that Bri works from home is one of the days where we are chatting a lot about the podcast because she's just looking at the time being like, oh great, you've done the podcast. I'm like, no, that was just the pre-show, we haven't actually started recording yet.

Tommy: Mate, you can walk away from a fucking conversation just be so drained.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I hope—

Josh: Did you find that draining? Was the conversation— So, what we were talking about—

Tommy: Yeah, go on.

Josh: North— We had the North Korea episode yesterday. We've been talking about we love having guests on, love speaking to Chris. And we started talking about, mate, obviously, what are we, what aren't we? We're not hard-hitting journalists, that's for sure.

Tommy: Definitely not.

Josh: And And I think that we're constantly thinking about those things of like, okay, where is a little bit of structure? And I think it's the important bit of, it's all about partnerships and working out how to, I felt like on the Craig Harper one, I talked too much. I tried for the very first time to do what you said, which is to embrace pauses and I let you talk and you said nothing. So, it's the last time that I'm ever doing it. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, did you want positive affirmation of your statements?

Josh: I was literally testing. So one of the things we've been talking about is, I feel like I talk, like you've never really given me this feedback. I feel like I'm talking too much and I want to—

Tommy: Michelle gave us the feedback.

Josh: Did she? Yeah.

Tommy: Early days.

Josh: Early days. It was more about me interrupting you and talking over you. Whereas now—

Tommy: The hard thing is it's so based around your sugar levels. 'Cause if you've had half a block of chocolate.

Josh: It's true. Well, to be clear, my 85% chocolate's not fucking holding much sugar.

Tommy: Well, it's something, it must be caffeine. Yeah, caffeine. Yeah, but no, I get it. I think, I think a lesson out of it, because I think maybe it bores people hearing about intricacies of our podcast, but awareness of something leads to change. Yeah, you got to realise you got a fucking problem, or you're going to realise the potential greatness you could— you, uh, like a greater scenario of your situation.

Josh: Yeah. How do you—

Tommy: by looking at it, how do you think we're different as creatives? Um, I, I honestly, I constantly think that I need to take on a bit of your overthinking and you need to take on a bit of my cowboy-ness.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I think I— and, but, but I say that because it's meeting in the middle is like the best of both worlds. It's always— it seems in my head like it's a great combination, you know, being very analytical, you know, strategic um, and then the doing on top of that is like, fuck, you're unstoppable.

Josh: Well, I think it comes down— I think there is a level of, uh, you know, preparation can be great, it can be the, uh, it can help you develop, but it can also be— you can lose the magic, right? If we're— if we are basing the show on just having great fucking conversations, if we overthink it and overplan it, it's not going to be interesting.

Tommy: It's just styles. I know, um, Hamish Blake's the more off-the-cuff fucking amazing, you know, what's it called, improviser. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, Jules Lund's the opposite, needing the structure. And so if you throw either one, like Hamish would probably sound awkward being structured.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. If he was just having to reel off a bunch of questions, or if he was— yeah, or even have the interest in going in and doing all that research and preparation and things like that. For our global listeners, Hamish and Andy, biggest radio show in Australia. And we will be having Ham on, I reckon episode 100 we'll get him on. But, you know, I think that trying to think about all those things and create the space to think about it, it's hard when it's a— I think I see the daily talk show as more of a hobby, more than a hobby, but at the same time, More than a hobby or more of a hobby? More than a hobby.

Tommy: Okay, more. Because you said more—

Josh: I had a stroke halfway through. And then you said it again. I had a stroke. But the, um, yeah, so it's definitely, um, yeah, thinking about all those things. But like one of the things is like, okay, well, how do you, uh, how do you create structure while still having fun and all that sort of thing? And one of the things we were talking about is that in radio, especially in sort of the areas that you were playing in, the solution was around this one-for-one, right? Like when it comes to question asking.

Tommy: Yeah, hard thing is you got 3 minutes, 4 minutes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And like the reality is that, yeah, you need 2 voices because if it is a 2-voice show and 3 minutes is a very fucking short amount of time.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So yeah, you're being very much ping pong.

Josh: Yeah. And so I guess that our thing is it's like, okay, we don't want to be ping pong. We don't want to just be back and forth and having that sort of style. But it's also being like respectful for the fact that I feel like I know when I feel like I'm talking too much. So, it's almost like trying to think in that moment and trying to do all that sort of shit. But it's, I put on Trello 'cause we're using Trello now as one level of structure of shit we wanna talk about. Someone said that was good.

Tommy: Someone sent us feedback saying, "Yeah, good Trello." Oh, great.

Josh: Probably Geek Evangelist. Yes. No, I actually put on there are going into partnership. And because I think that what we're talking about and what we're discussing is so much about how do we coexist, how do we work together, how do we bounce off one another.

Tommy: It's one, though, we talked about collaboration. So, how do you manage a collaboration? This is, I mean, it's a partnership.

Josh: I think a partnership is different to a collaboration.

Tommy: That's, I mean, I was just wanting to make the distinction. What do you think it is that's different?

Josh: I think a difference between a collaboration and a partnership is a collaboration's probably shorter term, and it's maybe two sort of agendas or individuals coming together to, I don't know, like bring their style. I think what it is is it's two individuals coming together and bringing both their styles, and a partnership is about the cohesion of two styles to create something new. It's actually a new entity that is formed, which is actually both, which with both of us sitting in there, if that makes sense.

Tommy: And then partnerships span from relationship, you know, yeah, partner, boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever, girlfriend, girlfriend, and that's the same thing. Yeah, it's all in business.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, yeah, fuck, I mean, you hear— I mean, is this relating to business partners? Is that, uh—

Josh: well, what I've been thinking about is like what our partnership is, because it feels like we We started off as collaborators and now we're slowly turning into partners. And it's interesting working out the distinctions. I don't think other than Bri and I, I haven't really had a partner. And so what are the complexities?

Tommy: Don't just take that, Graham.

Josh: Yeah, and the steam room bit, put it all together, the sucking off comment, and we've got my Instagram.

Tommy: And now we're partners.

Josh: We've got the Instagram, partners in a, yeah, fuck, there's so many. I'm gonna have so much fun labelling this app. Yeah, so no, but I think it's about having those, yeah, I don't like those conversations that we're being, 'cause we have been having more dynamic conversations of late, which is like, who are we? What do we want as a show? How can we make it better? All that sort of stuff.

Tommy: I love that you've articulated them as very specific questions, but it's like so messy. Like the conversations are so messy. And that's what any advice, right? It's like saying work out your 5-year plan. It's like, that is a messy fucking process and it's not as clear as how you just articulated how to do it. And so the experience of it is probably what breaks people.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: These same feelings are what I've had doing the radio shows. And it's just nice when you actually have someone that you're mates with. Not saying I'm, you know, well, I'm not mates with one of the co-hosts.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I wouldn't call myself mates with them. The other one, she came to my wedding.

Josh: Yeah. And I didn't. I wasn't even invited to your wedding. It's a shame. That's when you preface and say, oh, we didn't really, we weren't as close.

Tommy: No, I like to leave it out there. Just if I could let people go, there could have been a wedding.

Josh: I was at the wedding because I was the best man.

Tommy: No, you were the videographer.

Josh: Did you have a video made?

Tommy: Yeah, Lawrence was. No, Lawrence came.

Josh: This seems like a soft, soft point. Is that what you say?

Tommy: Lawrence rents space out of my office.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: He's also, you know, starting out his production business, and I paid him to come along and just shoot stuff, and I wasn't gonna have it edited. I just wanted to have it on file, and he did a cut.

Josh: Hashtag on file.

Tommy: He did a cut. It was really great. We never released it though. We love fucking watching it though. There's nothing about how he did it.

Josh: We just love narcissists.

Tommy: I know, it's just—

Josh: but now we fucking love watching it because most people say that, mate, don't spend much money on your wedding. You'll watch it once in your life and that's it.

Tommy: Oh, I spent $5.

Josh: Yeah, Tommy Jacket fucking— you know how much value we've got out of that every night before we go to bed?

Tommy: It's for you. Yeah, it's interesting really, at old photos like wedding stuff. Amy had a good point around those people that just are always doing flashbacks of their wedding. How long is that going to last?

Josh: Yeah, not the way the marriage— not the marriage, but just your own fest. How long is that going on?

Tommy: How many can you crank out before you're like, fuck, this cunt's boring? We know you're married.

Josh: Married.

Tommy: Work on your marriage rather than your Instagram.

Josh: I feel like you've had a real pushback in the last week to Instagram.

Tommy: No, I've put up some storeys on the Daily Talk Show. I've cut together some promos.

Josh: So if we were talking planning of the Daily Talk, you know, I love fucking being meta and talking about what we want to do. Yeah. What do you want the show to be? Where do you want it to go? What's your plan?

Tommy: Everywhere, just interviewing everyone, having dynamic guests on the show, you know, big guest celebrities or fucking—

Josh: oh, celebrities.

Tommy: Yeah, or, you know, so here you go, I want the show to create connection with people that I don't know and people that I know. Yeah, I want to have conversations about stuff that I'm interested in and hear about perspectives that aren't mine and opening my mind. Like, fuck, I've told the storey about how I met the dude who has a show on fucking Netflix.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I was connected to him through my videos that I put out on Facebook, the O-Bike video, the O-Bike videos. And last night I went for a beer with him. He's fucking— his name's Rob and he has a show called Longmire on Netflix. It's got 6 seasons. Watch it. It's a fuckin' ripper show.

Josh: And you've already been talking to him, uh, and he's coming on the podcast.

Tommy: He's coming on the podcast, man. This is a dude who was in the fucking Matrix, and I was sitting down having a beer with him last night. And my point of it—

Josh: or were you in the Matrix?

Tommy: Is that a funny joke?

Josh: Okay, dude, did he enjoy the Matrix gag? Matrix gags?

Tommy: Yeah, he liked it. I said, have you heard the theories about the Matrix? Because there's some serious—

Josh: like, I've had a few people ask.

Tommy: No, no, he did. He's heard them and he's like, they were— when they were making it. We just talked about the movie being fucking like well beyond its years. The concept is just what people are talking about now, in a simulation. It's like that was 50 or 20 years ago or something. Anyway, what I loved about hanging out with him last night is he wanted to hang out with me. Yeah, he obviously sees some kind of you know, interest in me, and I have this respect for him.

Josh: You're in a steam room.

Tommy: Yeah, we're in a fucking steam room. Um, anyway, just hearing this fucking— just connecting with somebody.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And that's what this does, audio. And you know, when we're doing it, we're in the room or we're speaking to— it's this connection and hearing fucking someone else's life and their perspectives on it. Because we're all living in the same world, but everyone's having a different experience. Craig Harper.

Josh: Do you know what I've just thought?

Tommy: What?

Josh: We need to do— I know that Tim Ferriss has done it. We should do an interview in a sauna. We should do a conversation in a sauna. Why don't we do the 100?

Tommy: It's good because you can't do steam.

Josh: Well, that's what I was thinking. I'm worried about the equipment. Maybe we get Hamon in the sauna.

Tommy: He'd be—

Josh: he's got a good fucking rig. He exercises.

Tommy: I wouldn't be surprised if he has a sauna at his house. Oh, ah, they're more common in houses nowadays.

Josh: Fuck, that would be good. All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask him. Let's try and get him on in the next 15 amps.

Tommy: Well, that's by 100, so yeah, yeah, let's do that.

Josh: We're fucking doing the sauna thing, and this could be because then it's a safe space. We're having a conversation with a couple of mates, it's all low, but, and the good thing is I have the protection of the microphone in the sense of we're in a sort of, we've got something to talk about.

Tommy: You at least have something to grab onto because you certainly don't.

Josh: Woof woof, Hoodie's coming soon. We'll grab that as a soundbite. Yeah, no, I think that the, yeah, what you're describing there is a community, right? Like you are, where what I've noticed is the value in having like-minded people. That's one element, but that are also on like completely different paths, all with the same sort of vision. You think of Rob, or you think of Chaim, or you think of like a bunch of different people who we're connected with where it's like we're all doing really similar things in some regards, just on way different scales. And obviously you know, for Rob, that's fucking Hollywood and, you know, big blockbuster stuff, dude.

Tommy: Just a message out of what Rob said to me that I don't even need him on the podcast anymore. He just challenged me on thinking big, and it was like, you know, talking about a pilot that I had shot for a doco series.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And we're looking, you know, so I'm speaking with ABC and, dude, America. He's just saying fucking Mexico. Think about all these places out there. Netflix. He's like, I'll get you a fucking meeting in Netflix as long as your fucking pitch is good enough. Yeah, like you, you were solid on your pitch. Yeah, like, and so I hadn't even thought about that. Yeah, and, and I hadn't even allowed myself to think about that because I'm like, oh, just, you know, you know, Australia here. And but he's thinking, you know, this is a dude who's made it in America. He's just about to be in this um, a new film that's coming out with Jason Statham, um, which sounds fucking awesome. The— no, yeah, you don't know. It's about a ginormous shark. It's fucking bizarre.

Josh: Watch the trailer. It's called The Big Shark?

Tommy: No, The Big Meg, or The Meg. Okay, the Megatron, Omega. Anyway, but this is a dude who is thinking big. Yeah, in fucking big productions. He's been in $200 million movies.

Josh: So, do you think it's like, because I always wonder about all the dudes and gals who are in Los Angeles. I felt real sleazy when I just said gals. Yeah, all the gals out there.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Woof woof. The, no, the Los Angeles, the all the Australians that are over there. And I just wonder, It'd be really interesting to get Rove on the podcast talking about like a dude who went over to the States to try and really carve it out. I'm curious as to what that experience is actually like.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, yeah, so you're saying thinking big versus the reality of doing—

Josh: Well, no, I think it's thinking big. Like, I also think that there is a truth around Australia has this sort of feeling that if someone's worked in London— I was talking to someone the other day about hiring and they're like, if you've worked in London in fashion, you can jump up into like bigger roles in Australia. Because Australia, we see London as this like amazing fashion, fashion. Or New York City, same, same reaction. Whereas the reality is like, we're doing cool— like, there's cool shit happening. And it's also like location agnostic. You can fucking do amazing video anywhere. And to be honest, Los Angeles, there's heaps of people doing it. What I see is like friends like Matt D'Avella who are building a podcast. He has access to so many guests because LA is just a hot, hot spot, a hot— like a location where there's interesting creators out there.

Tommy: It's a fucking amazing place. But yeah, so I think maybe it's just like whatever you think is big, challenge that. Because maybe for me, I think getting a documentary up on ABC is big, but the reality is if you were to just list what looks big, yeah, well, that's right.

Josh: Your cock would be on it. So many zingers. Sorry if you've just joined us. Um, no, the— did you try to— did you ever think about moving to LA?

Tommy: I mean, see, I always wanted to, and like, I mean, fuck, I went over and shot that little series with Fitzie, my mate, Suck on That, Jules Lund, little video series that was just off our own backs. We paid for the trip, got a bunch of freebies by leveraging.

Josh: I feel like, was there ever any intention of actually making LA a home? It wasn't.

Tommy: I see, this is the thing. I then won the trip to go and, you know, be in that house. So I had this—

Josh: Can you explain that story?

Tommy: I entered a competition, it was called Hosting Immersive, which is this programme where you live in a house in the Hollywood Hills and you train with some of the best coaches over there within that space, and you develop a showreel and you speak with agents and you do a pitch to a room full of these people and fucking— So I won it. I fucking entered this thing and won a $10,000 competition.

Josh: Amazing. And so people were paying to go and you were—

Tommy: People were paying and I was in a house for free. And I thought, fuck this, I'm putting my hand up. First for everything.

Josh: Yeah, and I did.

Tommy: That guy, that was that guy.

Josh: I—

Tommy: because I was like, I assumed a level of confidence because I won.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So I was like, I had that fucking pat on the back. Yeah. And then I went in and I did it, and I thought to myself, fuck, I want to be in LA. But it didn't go further than that. And maybe that is the bigger— like, thinking big isn't just saying, oh, I'd like to be there one day. And I've got a family now, and I'm super happy of where I am at, but I would happily live in LA now. But I don't know how much I— like, there's a difference between having that thought, I'd live there, I'd fucking— I really like the vibe and, you know, the whatever, whatever, to actually going, no, I'm going to live there.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I'm going to make it work, and this is what I need to do to make that happen.

Josh: I wonder if it would be a harder hustle than in Melbourne.

Tommy: I think it would be. And I have the feeling, I have the thought that I'm out, I will be able to create something that will allow me to go there and work and come back. Look at Rob, you know, he's Hollywood films, lives in fucking Melbourne. Yeah, he's going over in 2 weeks to shoot a movie, coming back, has, you know, his base here. And he talked about getting back over there to live, but, you know, we can talk about that with him on the podcast. But it's, um, it is nice having a home, and— but I want to be travelling more to do stuff, you know, to go out and shoot. And, you know, and it is— I think it's just those connect— connecting with people. I really fucking enjoy connecting. I made some great connections when I was in LA, and I can do that anywhere.

Josh: I wonder— and I also want to differentiate between connections, networking, and community. For me, like connecting with— yeah, connecting. Well, I think that's the thing. So that's the thing, right? I think that there's— and maybe I think LA is potentially more transactional. Yeah, because there's a lot of people, so it's sort of like, it's almost like the fast-moving consumer goods version of relationships where it's like there's so many of them, so they're all quite sort of small little interactions and you're sort of gauging how much value I can get out of something. Whereas in Melbourne Melbourne for me, it feels like this much more longer beautiful thing, which is like you're building a community and you're having like longer-term relationships that aren't prefaced on what can I get out of you.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a good thing to pull me up on that because I think when I actually say it, I know exactly what I mean.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I love creating a connection with with somebody. I've got a lot of acquaintances, yeah, but I can tell you every one of those that isn't my, you know, close friend like you, you know, my wife, one of the best mates— was that—

Josh: go on, couldn't hear.

Tommy: I had— I'm sure I could tell you a moment where we've either been out doing something, had a dinner, and just had fucking great conversation and made a connection that's more than just having your phone number, yeah, to get something off you, or an email address in a steam room.

Josh: Yeah, but let us know how to— maybe we get the Steam Room guy on, mate.

Tommy: He's a fucking charismatic dude who seemed opinionated, and he'd probably get fired from his job if he was on. But I know, I honestly thought I would love to have this guy on the podcast and hear about him. Yeah, hear his experiences. 20 years in TV.

Josh: Maybe we get him on. Maybe we do a Depending on how big the sauna is. It's a Daily Talk Show, everyone. Uh, feel free to send us your email addresses. Yes, uh, send us your email addresses. I mean emails, or your email addresses. hi@thedailytalkshow.com. We still have that PO Box. I get fuck all. PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. And thanks for, uh, jumping into the steam room with us today. Have a good one.