#082 – Who’s Tommy Jackett and Josh Janssen/

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It's the daily talk show everyone Josh Johnson is my name Tell me jacket at it too is the episode number and TJ yeah that's that's what I call Tommy if you want doing this is we're using the beginning to over explain everything yes and do what I'm calling a reset

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well I mean we're pretty date yeah but with these kind of things it's like you slowly building so there's like all these new people jumping on now yeah I'm sure there's some people have to episode it that we did with Craig Harper I do know what I'm nervous about like well

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hops his audience to go through and hear the junk that we talked about healthy eating and

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doing a bit of fitness chat if it needs more reliable night yeah well I just I just I just worry that if I can we're going to have these people who actually know what macro nutrients or whatever the fire yes I mean I know a little bit if you never ever say that though. Fucking slam you doubt no but we unless you've gone back to Episode One Have you gone back and he listened to episode why I've stopped listening after doing maybe 10 of them yeah I can't even Bray my girlfriend because we're doing some reset breeze my girlfriend she will sure want to listen in the car sometimes because I'll say Have you listened and she'll say No Actually I feel like listening now I can't think of anything worse than someone who's an over thinker listening back to the bullshit that I say and that you're listening to now so yeah so welcome if you are just you know tuning a high tuning what because I know if I continue shooting went on in fact and ship and and on the radio show so Tommy talking about shepherd and yeah you know that's obviously a bit of a hat tip to your past who is who is Tommy jacket

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what she's thinking about that because the things that stick that other people say like how Craig habit calls me the door with two dicks someone's in that as I think it was us

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receiving a screenshot of from Instagram stories that he posted he was listening to the show Thanks buddy and input listening to Josh and two digs

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which which could be taken at the Y just like the two days

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first money joke if you joining us. Thank you. I usually enter

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at some point of the show now. So I mean, I think he's referring to my energy did I not flat but we had a really light night last night you and I working on a production

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Yeah, so I mean, that gives context to people of who we are. So Tommy and I both have video production companies. Tommy basically about two two and a half years ago, I had only hung out with like, yeah, we'd met a few times worked on a couple little projects but we're we're definitely in the acquaintance category. Correct. And you know, I wasn't invited to a wedding but that's a whole nother episode but um no so you you sat down with me two and a half years ago and said hey man would be great to catch up talk shit you were doing digital content at the time for a radio radio show and open for kiss FM and

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the pin on that and I ventured out to stop my own thing had no fucking clue yeah still got no clue but more clear than I had to easy

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and the amazing thing is you'd gone from doing the on anything I'm so behind the mic

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moment this is what we're doing now. But that that performance or you know that presenter esque style but you know I have navigated my if you call it a career in

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in many different boats it's like I'm not afraid to jump onto the ship next to me and give it a fucking give it a spin so why you would actually on em doing the whole you know you had a you're on a Breakfast Show. So in Australia you can basically if you want to get on to the metro we use in the big leagues beyond the BFM shows you start in you know one of the 70 odd regional stations or you do a reality TV show yeah which is which is funny because that they do that is a beak gripe with a lot of the the young up and coming and even the, the older people on right. Yeah, well,

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I mean, the reality is their businesses writing sessions and they need people with influence. And they could spend 10 million bucks on marketing new. Yeah, or they could get the, you know, the fucking b grade celebrity who already has influenced and people know who they are and drop a million bucks into their marketing and get more cutthroat. So I totally get it. But you know what? Working in doing something. So now I like I help people to tell stories. And I tell stories for myself. Yeah, and that time in radio helped me sharpen my understanding of how to communicate through audio, you know, telling stories and the importance of telling a story and doing this what we worked it out the other day. I did, like 250

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shows three hours, not, not individually, not different shows, but episodes of it. And you had two different co hosts in the time that you're

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on. And so how do you explain how do I explain who I am? I'm a fun and energetic.

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I feel like I'm a good person. I feel like fuck, it sounds like a bit of a like the batch. Lamb fun. Energetic looking for a good time on the island. Yeah,

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exactly. But what I thought then was, how do you have cut through in explaining who you are as a person? You know? I don't know. Maybe it's like best explained by someone else. Yeah, because I can explain you and you could explain me really well. But that is that's selling yourself. Hey, how do you sell yourself? Cuz you got to think about someone listening. Am I trying to go fucking Am I trying to win them over? Yeah,

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I was a stripper when I was 19. Yes, I was a personal trainer. I mean, these are my jobs. But I've traveled quite a bit. And fuck, I enjoy adventure. And I'm curious. I think that's a good explanation. I think the context makes a lot of sense. Because if people listen to the podcast, though, he is talking about things like radio, about video production, about creativity, about starting your own business. Yeah. And, you know,

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and that's a lot of the commonalities that we have. I was working in radio was a digital content producer. So doing the whole filming and social media for a drive show in Australia, back in around 2012 called faith angels. And it was part of the same big network that you are part of

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when we turned on

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turned on with your robot. So what

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Josh is a fucking robot. He knows more about computers than anyone I know.

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And yes, sometimes he struggles.

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1990 was the official turn on days

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idea. And so you got a couple a couple of years on me. Yeah. But

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the so yeah, did the whole technology thing to the tech company doing all this sort of video content? And now Yeah, we're doing our own thing. Well, we've had sort of very similar paths, but in very different way that, you know, have almost been towards the same destination. And now this podcast is like, a celebration of friendship. Because Fuck, I tell you, what, you do it two episodes. And you learn a lot about somebody. And you can only make it to 82 episodes. And it sounds small now, you know, number? Yeah, yeah. Last week, it was huge. Yeah, but now, it's like, it's still so small. But if you make it this far, fact, you know, that he can withstand being around somebody, and your friendship can be quite strong. So that's what this is. Yeah. And so, for me, the daily talk show is about I know that creativity, entrepreneurship, you know, trying to forge a path in life, whatever you fucking do, can be hard. And it can be a lonely journey, especially with, you know, geographic, geographical restrictions, depending on where you if I can leave. And

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so for me, this podcast is an opportunity that doesn't matter where you are in the world, what you're doing, you know,

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we can connect and we can talk about our journey and we can hear from you and it's this sort of interactive thing. And maybe it's just an excuse to stay on one for, you know, 40 minutes a day. Yeah,

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I was when I was driving here to do this. I was thinking about how the last week who soft been feeling so much empathy for the struggle of fucking living and doing and wanting to achieve and doing things like this creative endeavors, just all the shit the tide that's like, we take for granted seeing the polished product of what people are doing. Yeah, you know, you're seeing an end video, that's and I just totally feel this, you know, empathy for these people that are struggling through because fuck I am. And I'm not saying that like, a sad, separate, I'm like, I just fucking get it man life after

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the fuckin I think that when you're sort of a bit of a cowboy and getting started, you can sort of have this, you know, arrogant, Ill informed view that you fucking Yeah, you're wide a certain way. We didn't even speak to Craig about that way to ask him all about being wide. But yeah, it's the definitely the more you create, I think the more empathy that you have. And like I've definitely seen over the course course of my career and being able to meet really fucking interesting people. And that the the people who have done more things tend to be a lot more grounded, because they've fallen on their OS a bunch of times,

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I was speaking with someone today, and they're just talking about their own personal content now saying thing around not, you know, I don't want to put it out because I'm not happy with it. And I said, and I'm in the places that's not that's not reality. Like that won't take you to the next. Yeah, place because you never it sometimes. And I and it's few and far between super happy with what you're putting out. Yeah, especially when you're doing it in volume. You know, like this podcast, what is sometimes not fucking happy and have connected. Yeah. And, and we've proved that to ourselves. It's still fucking struggles. Yeah, it's still a struggle within us. And I think

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it's also K to,

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to not have everything right. And to not be doing it. You know, what, if you if you have been saying that you wanting to do a podcast or you wanting to do this, or wanting to do that, you know,

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we follow a lot of people online, like Gary van der Chuck Gary Vee, who sort of blown up in a big, big way over the last couple of years. And it's this relentless hustle, and you just gotta, you fucking too soft, you need to go harder. There's the only thing stopping you is you. And I think that, yes, there's some truth to that. But I also think that to be able to be on as an individual to be, you know, winning sort of mode to actually make progress. I think you need to

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give yourself a break as well, which is a paradox. It's this idea. It's, it's the opposite, right? It's like you,

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I think that there's, there's a sense that you do need to, if I give myself this negative talk, you know, if you're trying to lose weight, you fat shit, you should I actually think that before before that step is an acceptance, there's a realization that you can't change the past and that the, you know, the people who that you aspire to be, or that you look up to, has experienced the exact same struggle that you've experienced.

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How many kilos Did you lose

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3535 kilos. And so, you know, I think that that that's the missing part that I think the bit of maybe medicine that isn't served up enough, which is yes, it's good to hustle. Yes, you maybe you can start the podcast, you should start the podcast, you should start that thing that you want to. But the fact that you haven't yet

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that's okay. And I think that potentially the self loading around not doing it. He's more unproductive. It's dangerous. It's toxic. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's,

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it's a bit fucking macho to, I think it's this like, it's, it's quite, it's quite a nice, pretty, I don't know how to describe it. But I think that it comes from a level of privilege of like, you know,

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if you're not doing it, it's because you don't have the discipline and you don't have this and you don't have that, and I think that it's good to pride use it. Like, I think that people that do it pride themselves on having these qualities. But I think first there needs to be that switch. Anyway, I did get me thinking, you know, I've been thinking broadly about ambition in general, I will, you know, what do you think? What does? What do you think of, when you think of an ambitious person,

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what comes to mind is someone who really solidifies. And Shay's they goals or dreams or vision. I mean, that's initially what comes to mind. What about you? Yeah,

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I think it's the same, right? I think that there's I am when you think of an ambitious person, it's a go getter at someone that's

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there might be a little bit of not win at all costs. But there is a sense that they, they're looking forward to doing things. And I just think that there is varying levels of ambition or ambition means different things to different people. And success is different. So what I've been sort of trying to understand better is

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being ambitious. I feel like I'm an ambitious person. But I don't necessarily want to put that into ambition for financial reward. I don't necessarily la I'm not afraid of money. I don't. It's not that I don't want to make money. But I feel like maybe in a lot of cases, we skew ambition towards this accumulation of wealth of things. Well, ambition at the end of it, you'd same is success. Like you're ambitious for something, whether it be a rice runner, you're ambitious. Yeah, you know, you're the dude training ambitious, what's the actual definition of ambitious? I will look it up. Look at that. But you know, for and then you're saying at the end of the end of that is some sort of success in that. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people think about success and ambitious having or showing a strong desire and determination to succeed. Yeah, so I think that the word I'm curious about is quiet ambition.

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Hmm. Well, the quiet achiever. Yeah, well,

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I used to fucking hate that term, the quiet TV because for me, I was so loud. I was always like, out there doing it. And the idea of it to me, it seemed like a a, you couldn't have one without the other. But there is something really nice about putting your head down and focusing on something and being a craftsperson.

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Well, you know, me saying person vocalizing the golden stuff that's all well and good. But if you don't do fucking any work, yeah, you done and so there is some of that not sharing what you were wanting to achieve with everybody in the world, but actually doing the work. But what about I think that some people are getting obsessed with the theater of being ambitious? Yeah, I agree. And also the reward socially on being an ambitious person. Yeah, you know, I'm creating these tech startup and and everybody saying, Have you seen that guy? Yeah, you seen Josh can doing that thing. And I found

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it found it like everyone's got a fledgling startup everyone's reaction debt Yeah, and the thing is that it's um, yeah, I think that it's doing it quietly gives you the opportunity to maybe make sure that you're aligning it with your values are doing it for the right reason, rather than sometimes this noise posting on Instagram I remember hearing something where someone was saying that 20 years ago the the rich like to flaunt the yachts and the flow of the things I had in the holidays are going on. And now it's sort of turned around to the using hard work is almost an accessory. They want to show that they're the CEO, the founder there in meetings they're posting You know, they're in the grind and all that sort of thing.

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I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing. But it's something that I'm I'm acutely aware where that is. I can romanticize ambition. And it

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had the word success in the internet. Yeah. And so that's, that's the key. Right? success in defining it for yourself. Yeah, yeah,

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it's the it's a determination and determination to succeed. Yeah,

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so then succeed and what is exactly the thing you need to fucking work out. It's

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defining what that success looks like. And I think that maybe we jump home the wheel and we start running and we do it because it's something to keep us busy but it's not necessarily moving towards where we want to go and then there's that Macy journey of fucking it may be that know that you don't want to do that until you do it. Yeah, I was hops, you know, was we spoke about that with hops a little bit. That's a crucible moment. It's to so many people that we know, I've gone through that

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the, the interesting thing too is the, I think we have these different iterations of ourselves. So we, you know, I think that part of the reason that you're uncomfortable talking about who you are, is because we're not this singular thing. We're not defined by one thing. We're not podcasters we're not filmmakers we're not so you know, please speak for yourself on those two things. And, and ambitious, and the editor of the daily chores now should we had founder of The Daily talk show to see see daily dog? What your title bay of the daily talk show?

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loose unit now, I'm useless. Luciana? What a fuck. What am I if you're the loose unit chief chief of loose units,

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the

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but that idea of being, you know, developing and changing as people

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what setting you in when you're selling yourself? Yeah. Because then if you're at a dinner party, and they just close friends. That's why having to do with business. Yeah.

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And you reel off your job titles, but I think that there's a Yeah, I don't. That's why I don't like those sort of dinner parties. Like, I don't want to have to synthesize my myself in a few words. Yeah. And I know that there's a big that's, you know, there's a big movement in that. And, you know,

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I was

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I was working with the minimalists. Joshua fields Milburn who's one of them almost who created the film minimalism and he told his

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doodle the

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day long head long hair long hair. Yeah, he's the long know they both have a fairly long he's a blonde one. Okay. Ya know, he was talking about the fact that when people say what do you do? He would say, I'm passionate about writing

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and I feel like this I really like it. I don't I feel like in Australia,

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I couldn't I feel pushback. I feel like he'll be like, what the fuck you made? They probably wouldn't even say that just let your fucking weirdo yeah because it but he's thing was he didn't want to say he's a Raja. He didn't want to be categorized because then people like what have you written? So, but he was like shifting that complete ID. You know, I was obsessed with becoming a TV presenter. Yeah,

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from the age of about 20. And it was the thought and this guy remember, I won't say his name, but he was always just a bit he was older than me. I didn't he didn't threaten if I say he's threatened I'm saying that I was slightly probably somewhat of a threat to him and so I was good and so my But no, he I think he was projecting hundreds in projecting now he's quite successful in what he's doing and he's lost all of it. And when I was young and fucking boisterous and lots of energy talking about this said something that stuck in those all around Well, you know, until you sort of making majority of your income from presenting, you know, a presenter, I was like, fuck are you serious? Yeah, well, right. I do get it. And so that was where you know, fake it till you make it saying you're a presenter. I don't know where I was going with it. But I just remember that point of him saying that

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i don't think i think a lot of people talk about the fact that you don't arrive at these types of things. I think that we probably default to labels too much I think it's probably 15 years ago the general public didn't need to synthesize what they who they were and what they do and 140 characters but now everyone has an Instagram by and they feel like they need to fill it with purpose and I want that it's it's becoming a status symbol it's like what how many how many Instagram accounts so you're gonna tag and and what what what things have you founded I mean if the the thing that I think about is that the digital graveyard which is you know, all of the sheets that I've done over the years that online the iterations of you Yeah, I mean, the biggest one was melody

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and it's Joshi. I'm sure you haven't updated the, the YouTube channel in while be upset about the URL.

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Well, you find that video, right, because I took them all down, did you? I did a little bit of a clean It's huge. Josh is how every 16 Yeah, would have been. So yeah, I was on YouTube early, early days now, probably would have been 15 1516.

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But they Hi, Joshua. You I was on YouTube early, early days early early adopter. But to the

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now I used to, I used to have a blog called Melbourne geek and so I went down and lazy label right if you would, if you would have continued that God story but Well, I

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I just if you type in Melbourne geek on Google, it will come up with my old website but I am going through a stage of the moment where I'm de cluttering shit because I'm going away I'm traveling for three months at the from the end of June with my girlfriend Bray who I've been with with Phillip for 11 years. This is the reset shy remember

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and so we're getting rid of a lot of stuff because when I was finishing the lace at the apartment that we live in, and so we're getting rid of furniture and what sort of things and so Melbourne geek my the websites all that stuff I'm saying you think like maybe I want to get rid of this stuff maybe it's not serving any purpose now

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is it means a digital footprint you What do you want from it? Do you want anything from that? What yeah I don't know if it's adding anything anymore I went through an unlisted a whole bunch of videos on my company page my Yeah, production companies. I didn't change channel Yeah, just because now I'm in a different place where you were fine. What you do style and stuff and yeah, I mean, get rid of it. He's Yeah. What about

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me? What about with Instagram? There's two things that I've noticed. The biggest one is people have fucking Instagram themes so that you have a style and I've noticed that you're all of a sudden I just say this. Like why she Mm hmm. What's going on here? And they post another one another one um. I want this is this is not good content and then you discover that there's a they're doing a bit of a reset

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rebrand Yeah, re read might Can you explain what that actually means? Like what are they doing? Or they're just so it's all i mean any of these themes actually don't fucking matter unless someone if unless the person is actually going into your page and looking in them and what do you mean what do they mean by theme Oh also you go into your pay like your Instagram page we can actually see all your photos light at yeah and the theme or it's a style or look is consistent across the all of the images is once light at in that grid is what you see all the squares and things that and that's what I mean it's like the fucking themes useless unless someone looking at that yeah it's too much thought for me I can't handle it what I love and I always get off on it for another that's my kids cry everyone will fourth hoodies coming soon. 4995 I can really see like a premium bright white white is Brian that drywall was just a big black and white isn't just pride I've been a fucking burnings

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but just wolf off on a hoodie in black

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on a white hoodie that's what I want I mean I only I've got a uniform now so I would be aware like fact jumper very anyway I was a high and the same but what you've been getting on here we go here we go everyone

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it's an honor

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I was gonna say that we've done but anyway staying successful people that I deemed successful yeah go on

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that's that's what gets me yes access that ambitious people who don't give a fuck and host what they want with no thing I mean well I you must really get off on me then because my Instagram

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I said people I name is success but you know what I mean like

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Casey Neistat Great example fucking successful doesn't give a shit yeah but even like some other filmmakers that I really like and I don't know maybe there's there's a thought around expectation there's definitely a thought around what the theme will bring you

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and if and I think if that's out of alignment with the reality of it i don't know i think it's where the danger is I think that that filter we've spoken on a previous episode of using the filter in life that no one gives a fuck

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what potentially I worry about with things is that I say you know Jenny from the burbs doing an Instagram thing change and I just think Jenny I don't know if anyone gives a fuck about you think

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the we'll give it a shout out because we're resetting Hey Tiger yes chocolate brand that breed Josh his girlfriend of 11 years would reset mitt new nine men you know men great one year 11 okay year 11 you you have sex

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anyway that company we have recently can't know

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what was the night candles things night you they have got a theme Iver just to be honest you're over the thing I'm over the theme I just want chocolate photos I'm almost done following was I think it's fucking great. Yeah, I was really impressed and I'm still impressed by the effort look at times they need to do a same reset but I think also you've got a

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white just bits of why exactly and just for it in each capture will be changing for Tommy good. The know i think that I mean,

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in their defense, because obviously I feel like I need to defend them. I think that I think part of it is it's an audience thing. So they're going for a fashion audience. So you know, a female focused audience that cares about aesthetic. The initiations and so you know, they they do have that fame would

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would, I didn't, I can't even think I literally i'm i'm so unblocking that I couldn't think of one blokey what's a blocky Instagram account hmm

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why would lessons had the title it man the title it man friend of mine Dalton. Yeah?

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He's He's a blokey though well it's that kind of fam fam on blogs it's an

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old man it's man it's manly content meaning for blockchain suits like Dhaka it's a show hi in depth of fashion well,

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but I still feel like that some they've got an appreciation for aesthetic I'm trying to think of because when I think it might be this is ill informed but when I think about blokes and also the I think

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maybe more sort of hive is not caring as much

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but the I guess there's this thing especially

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as if it works like and that's the thing if it's working for you a tiger keep going back and listen to me yesterday he chocolate

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it's a lot it's

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moving targets great chocolate doing

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mother's Mother's Day gift pack at the moment and I should mention because brief backed up in an ATM said that the last time you could order it was Thursday in Melbourne it's actually Friday medallion can still get it for Mother's Day

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isn't a song today and it's 2020 We're at 1000 episodes and I've just said misfortune the fact they're

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like they're on their hovercraft

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what is what is this thing that we're we're we're listening to

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right well no I think I don't know if we've you know this this podcast is probably this episode is a good example of what people can expect

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this is this is a nice chill for us yeah

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it's a I mean keep in mind giving giving the context Tommy and I were working on this video for a finance company that was sort of doing what do you call it the federal federal budget was happening and so they made these videos a commentating on what was happening so we were up at 2am trying to get these edits done so we are probably like legally drunk based on like how much sleep that we've had yeah I had faculty so you actually feel terrible and the funny though the one thing about that was at three I am you know 230 in the morning when we're in this big corporate building in the city and Tommy just like he's got red eyes he's fucking no feeling well and something comes like out of me that I just want to basically antagonize a little bit and it's the worst timing wasn't a good feel and I that's annoying well because I was just like oh my you know looking too good You look a bit tired yeah you're fucking shitty it's do I am we usually asleep yeah sure but I thought given another fact about Tommy is a dad so I thought having a 14 month old kid used to this sort of shit now

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not that's that's insane. just woken up at 6am so it had a full day plus

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