Who's Tommy Jackett and Josh Janssen

Josh: It's the Daily Talk Show, everyone. Uh, Josh Janson is my name.

Tommy: Tommy Jacket.

Josh: Uh, 82 is the episode number. And TJ. Yeah, that's, that's what I call Tommy, if you're wondering. This is, uh, we're using the beginning to over-explain everything.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: And do what I'm calling a reset.

Tommy: Well, I mean, we're pretty deep. Yeah, but with these kind of things, it's like you're slowly building. So there's like all these new people jumping on now.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, I'm sure there's some people after episode 80 that we did with Craig Harper.

Josh: Do you know what I'm nervous about?

Tommy: Is the—

Josh: well, for Harps' audience to go through and hear the junk that we talked about healthy eating and stuff like doing a bit of fitness chat.

Tommy: If anything, it's more relatable, mate.

Josh: Yeah, I just, I just, I just worry that, um, fucking we're gonna have these, um, people who actually know what macronutrients or whatever the fuck is. Oh yes.

Tommy: I mean, I know a little bit, um, if I've got an iPhone in my hand.

Josh: But you never ever say that, they'll fucking slam you down. No, but we, um, unless you've gone back to episode 1— have you gone back? Have you listened to episode 1?

Tommy: I've stopped listening after doing maybe 10 of them.

Josh: Yeah, I can't. And even Bree, my girlfriend, because we're doing some resets— Bree is my girlfriend, uh, she'll want to listen in the car sometimes because I'll say, have you listened and she'll say no, and she's like, oh, actually I feel like listening now, but I can't think of anything worse than as someone who's an overthinker listening back to the bullshit that I say and that you're listening to now.

Tommy: So yeah, so welcome if you are just, you know, tuning in. I hate tuning in.

Josh: Well, because they're not fucking tuning in. We're not in fucking Shepparton on the radio show. So Tommy, talking about Shepparton, yeah, you know, that's obviously a bit of a hat tip to your past. Who is Tommy Jackett?

Tommy: Well, I was just thinking about that because there's the things that stick that other people say, like how Craig Harper calls me the dog with two dicks. Someone sent that, I think it was Russ, a guy named Russ sent me a screenshot from Instagram storeys that he posted. He was listening to the show, thanks, buddy. And he'd put, listening to Josh and two dicks.

Josh: Which doesn't say— which, which could be taken either way, just like the two dicks. Um, first Muddy joke if you're joining us. Thank you.

Tommy: They usually enter. Yeah, at some point of the show. No, so I mean, I think he's referring to my energy today. I'm not flat, but I've— we had a really late night last night, you and I, working on a production.

Josh: Yeah, so I mean, that gives context to people of who we are. So Tommy and I both have video production companies. Tommy, uh, basically about 2, 2 and a half years ago, I had only hung out with, like, you know, we'd met a few times, worked on a couple of little projects, but we were definitely in the acquaintance category.

Tommy: Correct.

Josh: And, uh, you know, I wasn't invited to your wedding, but that's a whole nother episode. But, um, no, so you, you sat down with me 2 and a half years ago and said, hey man, um, would be great to catch up, talk shit. You were doing digital content at the time for a radio, radio show in Melbourne for Kiss FM.

Tommy: And I pulled the pin on that and I ventured out to start my own thing. Had no fucking clue. Yeah, still got no clue, but I've got a lot more clue than I had 2 years ago.

Josh: And the amazing thing is you'd gone from doing the on-air thing, so behind the mic.

Tommy: I mean, this is what we're doing now, but that performance, or, you know, that presenter-esque style. But, you know, I have navigated my— if you call it a career— in, um, in many different boats. It's like I'm not afraid to jump onto the ship next to me and give it a fucking— give it a spin.

Josh: So while you were actually on air doing the whole, you know, you had a— you're on a breakfast show. So in Australia, you can basically, if you want to get onto the metros and the big leagues, be on the big FM shows. You start in, you know, one of the 70-odd regional stations, or you do, um, a reality TV show. Yeah, which is funny because they do, um, that is a big, uh, a gripe with a lot of the, um, the young up-and-coming and even the, the older people on radio.

Tommy: Well, I mean, the reality is they're businesses, radio stations, and they need people with influence, and they could spend $10 million on marketing you.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Or they could get the, you know, the fucking B-grade celebrity who already has influence and people know who they are and drop a million bucks into their marketing and get more cut-through. So I totally get it. But you know what, working and doing something— so now I like, I help people tell storeys and I tell storeys for myself.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And that time in radio helped me sharpen my understanding of how to communicate through audio, telling stories, and the importance of telling a story. And doing this— what do we— worked it out the other day, I did like 250 radio shows of 3 hours.

Josh: Not, not individual, not different shows, but episodes of it. And you had 2 different co-hosts in the time that you were— yeah, on air.

Tommy: And so, yeah, how do you explain— how do I explain who I am? I'm a fun, energetic, I feel like I'm a good person. I feel like—

Josh: Fuck, it sounds like a bit of a, like The Bachelor. I'm fun, energetic, I'm just looking for a good time on the island.

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. But what I thought then was, how do you have cut-through in explaining who you are as a person? You know, I don't know, maybe it's like best explained by someone else.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: 'Cause I can explain you and you could explain me really well. But that is, That's selling yourself. How do you sell yourself? 'Cause you gotta think about someone listening. Am I trying to go, fucking, am I trying to win them over? I was a stripper when I was 19. I was a personal trainer. I mean, these are my jobs, but I've travelled quite a bit and fuck, I enjoy adventure and I'm curious.

Josh: I think that's a good explanation. I think that the context makes a lot of sense 'cause if people listen to the podcast, they'll hear us talking about things like radio, about video production, about creativity, about starting your own business. Yeah. And, you know, and that's a lot of the commonalities that we have. I was working in radio, was a digital content producer, so doing the whole filming and social media for a drive show in Australia back in around 2012 called Fifi and Jules. And it was part of the same big network that you were part of.

Tommy: When were you turned on?

Josh: Turned on.

Tommy: You're a robot. So what, when, when was your switch turned on? Because Josh is a fucking robot. He knows more about computers than anyone I know. Um, and yeah, sometimes he struggles.

Josh: 1990 was the official turn-on date.

Tommy: Oh yes, it was '88.

Josh: '88. And so you got a couple of, couple of years on me.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But the, um, no, so yeah, did the whole technology thing, worked at a tech company doing all their sort of video content, and now, yeah, we're doing our own thing.

Tommy: Well, we've had sort of very similar paths but in very different ways that, you know, have almost been towards the same destination. And now this podcast is like a celebration of friendship because, fuck, I tell you what, you do 82 episodes and you learn a lot about somebody, and you can only make it to 82 episodes And it sounds small now, the number. Last week it was huge in my head, but now it's like, it's still so small. But if you can make it this far, fuck, you know that you can withstand being around somebody and your friendship can be quite strong. So that's what this is.

Josh: Yeah, and so for me, the Daily Talk Show is about, I know that creativity, entrepreneurship, you know, trying to, forge a path in life, whatever you fucking do, can be hard and it can be a lonely journey, especially with, you know, geographic, geographical restrictions depending on where you fucking live. And so for me, this podcast is an opportunity that doesn't matter where you are in the world, what you're doing, uh, you know, we can connect and we can talk about our journey and we can hear from you. And it's, it's this sort of interactive thing, um, and maybe it's just an excuse just to unwind for, you know, 40 minutes a day.

Tommy: Yeah, I, I was— when I was driving here to do this, I was thinking about how the last week or so I've just been feeling so much empathy for the struggle of fucking living and doing and wanting to achieve and doing things like this, creative endeavors, just all the shit that's hard that's like we take for granted seeing the polished product of what people are doing. Yeah, you know, you're seeing an end video that's like— and I, I just totally feel this, you know, empathy for these people that are struggling through it because fuck, I am. And I'm not saying that like a sad sack, but I'm like, I just fucking get it, man. Life's— life can be fucking hard.

Josh: Yeah, I think that when you're sort of a bit of a cowboy and getting started, you can sort of have this, you know, arrogant or ill-informed view that you're fucking You know, you're wired a certain way. We didn't even speak to Craig about that. I wanted to ask him all about being wired. But yeah, it's the— definitely the more you create, I think the more empathy that you have. And like, I've definitely seen over the course of my career and being able to meet really fucking interesting people that the people who have done more things tend to be a lot more grounded because fallen on their ass a bunch of times.

Tommy: I was speaking with someone today and they were just talking about their own personal content and they were saying a thing around not, you know, I don't want to put it out because I'm not happy with it. And I said, and I'm in the place of, that's not, that's not reality. Like, that won't take you to the next place because you are never Sometimes, and it's few and far between, super happy with what you're putting out.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Especially when you're doing it in volume, you know, like this podcast. We're sometimes not fucking happy, and they've connected.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And we've proved that to ourselves. It's still fucking struggles.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's still a struggle within us.

Josh: And I think it's also okay to not have everything right and to not be doing it. You know what, if you have been saying that you are wanting to do a podcast or you're wanting to do this or wanting to do that, you know, we follow a lot of people online like Gary Vaynerchuk, Gary Vee, who's sort of blown up in a big, big way over the last couple of years. And it's this relentless hustle and you just gotta, you're fucking too soft, you need to go harder, the only thing stopping you is you. And I think that yes, there's some truth to that, But I also think that to be able to be on, as an individual, to be in a winning sort of mode, to actually make progress, I think you need to give yourself a break as well, which is a paradox. It's this idea, it's the opposite, right? It's like you, I think that there's a sense that you just need to, if I give myself this negative talk, you know, if you're trying to lose weight, you fat shit, you should have— I actually think that before that step, there's an acceptance, there's a realisation that you can't change the past and that the, you know, the people who that you aspire to be or that you look up to has experienced the exact same struggle that you've experienced.

Tommy: How many kilos did you lose?

Josh: 35, 35 kilos. And so, you know, I think that that, that's the missing part that I think, uh, the bit of maybe medicine that isn't served up enough, which is yes, it's good to hustle. Yes, you maybe you, you can start the podcast, you should start the podcast, you should start that thing that you want to, but the fact that you haven't yet That's okay. And I think that potentially the self-loathing around not doing it is more unproductive.

Tommy: Oh, it's dangerous. It's toxic.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it's, you know, it's a bit fucking macho too.

Josh: I think it's this like, it's quite a, I don't know, it's pretty, I don't know how to describe it, but I think that it comes from a level of privilege of like, you know, if you're not doing it, it's because you don't have the discipline and you don't have this and you don't have that. And I think that it's good to pride yourself, like, I think that people that do it pride themselves on having these qualities. But I think first there needs to be that switch. But anyway, it did get me thinking, you know, I've been thinking broadly about ambition in general.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: Well, you know, what do you think? What does— what do you think of when you think of an ambitious person?

Tommy: What comes to mind is someone who really solidifies and shares their goals or dreams or vision. I mean, that's initially what comes to mind. What about you?

Josh: Yeah, I think it's the same, right? I think that there's a, um, when you think of an ambitious person, it's a go-getter. It's someone that's, um, there might be a little bit of not win at all costs, but there is a sense that they, um, they're looking forward, they're doing things. And, um, I just think that there is varying levels of ambition, or ambition means different things to different people. And success is different. So, what I've been sort of trying to understand better is being ambitious. I feel like I'm an ambitious person, but I don't necessarily want to put that into ambition for financial reward. I don't necessarily— I'm not afraid of money. I don't— It's not that I don't want to make money, but I feel like maybe in a lot of cases we skew ambition towards this accumulation of wealth, of things.

Tommy: Well, ambition at the end of it, you would seem, is success. Like, you're ambitious for something, whether it be a race, a runner. You're ambitious, yeah, you know, you're the dude training, ambitious. What's the actual definition of ambitious?

Josh: We'll look it up.

Tommy: Look it up. But, you know, for— and then you're saying at the end of the the end of that is some sort of success. And that, yeah, I mean, a lot of people think about success and think ambitious—

Josh: having or showing a strong desire and determination to succeed.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So I think that the— what I'm curious about is quiet ambition.

Tommy: Hmm. Well, the quiet achiever.

Josh: Yeah. Well, I, I used to fucking hate that term, the quiet achiever, because for me I was so loud. I was always like out there doing it. And the idea of, uh, it to me it seemed like a, a, um, you couldn't have one without the other. But, um, there is something really nice about putting your head down and focusing on something and being a craftsperson.

Tommy: Well, you know, it's me saying person vocalising their goals and stuff, that's all well and good, but if you don't do fucking any work, you're done. And so the There is some of that not sharing what you are wanting to achieve with everybody, the world, but actually doing the work.

Josh: But what about, I think that some people are getting obsessed with the theatre of being ambitious.

Tommy: Yeah, I agree. And also the reward socially on being that ambitious person.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know, I'm creating this tech startup and everybody's saying, have you seen that guy?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Have you seen Josh? He's fucking doing that thing.

Josh: He's a founder. He's a founder. Like everyone's got a fucking startup. Everyone's a founder.

Tommy: 5 million bucks in debt.

Josh: Yeah. And the thing is that it's, um, yeah, I think that it's, uh, doing it quietly, uh, gives you the opportunity to maybe make sure that you're aligning it with your values or doing it for the right reason rather than sometimes this noise posting on Instagram. I remember hearing something where someone was saying that 20 years ago the, the rich like to flaunt their yachts and the flaunt the things they had and the holidays they were going on. And now it's sort of turned around to they're using hard work as almost an accessory. They want to show that they're the CEO, they're the founder, they're in meetings, they're posting, you know, they're in the grind and all that sort of thing. Um, I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's something that I'm I'm acutely aware that it is very— I can romanticise ambition.

Tommy: And it had the word success in there, didn't it?

Josh: Uh, yeah.

Tommy: And so that's, that's the, the key, right? Success and defining that for yourself.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, it's the— it's, uh, a determination, a determination to succeed.

Tommy: Yeah. So, but then succeed in what is exactly the thing you need to fucking work out.

Josh: It's defining what that success looks like. And I think that maybe we jump on the wheel and we start running and we do it because it's something to keep us busy, but it's not necessarily moving towards where we want to go.

Tommy: And then there's that messy journey of fucking— maybe you don't know that you don't want to do that until you do it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I was—

Josh: Harps, you know, it was— we spoke about that with Harps a little bit. That's the crucible. Moment. It's the— so many people that we know have gone through that. Um, the, the interesting thing too is the— I think, uh, we have these different iterations of ourselves. So we, you know, I think that part of the reason that you're uncomfortable talking about who you are is because we're not this singular thing. We're not defined by one thing. We're not podcasters, we're not filmmakers, we're not, you know, speak for yourself.

Tommy: I'm those two things.

Josh: And ambitious. And the founder of The Daily Talk. Should we add founder of The Daily Talk Show to our—

Tommy: CEO of The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: What would your title be of The Daily Talk Show?

Tommy: Um, loose unit.

Josh: No, you're loose unit. What are you? Fuck, what am I if you're the loose unit? Oh, chief, chief of loose units. CEO. The, um, uh, but, but that idea of being, you know, developing and changing as people, um—

Tommy: well, what's setting you in when you're selling yourself? Yeah, because then if you're at a dinner party and they're just close friends, that's why I have nothing to do with business. Yeah, and you reel off your job titles.

Josh: But I think that there's a, um Yeah, I don't— that's why I don't like those sort of dinner parties. Like, I don't want to have to synthesise myself in a few words. Yeah, yeah. And I know that there's a big— that's, you know, there's a big movement in that. And, um, uh, you know, I was, uh, I was working with the minimalist Josh Fields-Milburn, who's one of the minimalists who created the film Minimalism, and he talks—

Tommy: long-haired dude or the—

Josh: yeah. Did you say long head?

Tommy: Long head.

Josh: Long head, yeah, he's the long— No, they both have fairly long— He's the blonde one.

Tommy: Okay, yes.

Josh: But no, he was talking about the fact that when people say, "What do you do?" He would say, "I'm passionate about writing." And I feel like— You like that? I really like it. I feel like in Australia, I feel pushback. I feel like people would be like, "What the fuck you mean?" They probably wouldn't even say that, just like, you're a fucking weirdo. Yeah, because— but his thing was he didn't want to say he's a writer. He didn't want to be categorised because then people were like, what have you written? So, but he was like shifting that complete idea.

Tommy: You know, I was obsessed with becoming a TV presenter. Yeah, from the age of about 20. And it was the thought— and this guy, I remember, I won't say his name, but he was always just a bit— he was older than me I don't need threatened. If I say he's threatened, I'm saying that I was slightly of somewhat of a threat to him, and so I was good in some way. But no, he— I think he was projecting, 100% projecting. Now he's quite successful in what he's doing and he's lost all of it. But when I was young and fucking boisterous and lots of energy talking about this, he said something that stuck, and it was all around, well, you know, until you're sort of making a majority of your income from presenting, you're not a presenter. I was like, fuck, are you serious?

Josh: Yeah, why?

Tommy: But I do get it. And so that was where, you know, faking it till you make it, saying you're a presenter. I don't know where I was going with it, but I just remember that point of him saying that.

Josh: I don't think you are. And I think a lot of people talk about the fact that you don't arrive at these types of things. I think that we probably default to labels too much. I think it's probably 15 years ago the general public didn't need to synthesise what they— who they were and what they do in 140 characters. But now everyone has an Instagram bio and they feel like they need to fill it with purpose and they want to— and it's, it's becoming a status symbol. It's like, what, how many, um, how many Instagram accounts are you going to tag? And, and what, what, what things have you founded? Yeah, but I mean, the, the thing that I think about is that the digital graveyard, which is, you know, all of the shit that I've done over the years that's online.

Tommy: The iterations of you.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, the biggest one was Melbourne Geek.

Tommy: Hey, it's Josh here. I'm sorry I haven't updated the YouTube channel in a while. I'm a bit upset about the URL. Well, you'll find that video out there, it's great.

Josh: You won't because I took them all down. Oh, did you? I did a little bit of a clean.

Tommy: It's so cute. Josh is— how old were you, 16?

Josh: Yeah, I would have been. So yeah, I was on YouTube early, early days, and I probably would have been 15, 15, 16. But they, um—

Tommy: hi Josh, who are you? I was on YouTube early, early days, early days, early adopter.

Josh: But the, um, I used to, I used to have a blog called Melbourne Geek, and so I went down—

Tommy: well, there's your label, right? If you would have, if you would have continued that, go to your story.

Josh: But well, I, I just, um, if you type in Melbourne Geek on Google, it will come up with my old website. But I am going through a stage at the moment where I'm decluttering shit because I'm going away. I'm travelling for 3 months at the— from the end of June, uh, with my girlfriend Bree, who I've been with for 11 years. This is the Reset Show, remember? Um, and so we're getting rid of a lot of stuff because we're, we're finishing the lease at apartment that we live in, and so we're getting rid of furniture and all that sort of things. And so Melbourne Geek, my— the websites, all that stuff, I'm starting to think like maybe I want to get rid of this stuff. Maybe it's not serving any purpose now.

Tommy: Is it? Well, I mean, it's a digital footprint. Are you— what do you want from it? Do you want anything from that?

Josh: I don't think— yeah, I don't know if it's adding anything anymore.

Tommy: I went through and unlisted a whole bunch of videos on my company page, my, yeah, production company's YouTube channel. Yeah, just because now it's— I'm in a different place where you refined what you do, style and stuff. And yeah, I mean, get rid of it. It is. Yeah.

Josh: What about— I mean, what about with Instagram? There's two things that I've noticed. The biggest one is people have fucking Instagram themes, so they— you have a style, and I've noticed that you'll all of a sudden I just see this like white image. I'm like, what's going on here? And they post another one and another one. I'm like, what? This is, this is not good content. And then you discover that there's a— they're doing a bit of a reset, a rebrand.

Tommy: Yeah, a rebrand, mate.

Josh: Can you explain what that actually means? Like, what are they doing?

Tommy: Well, they're just— so it's all— I mean, any of these themes actually don't fucking matter unless someone— if— unless the person is actually going into your page and looking in them.

Josh: And what do you mean? What do they mean by theme though?

Tommy: Well, so you go into your page, like your Instagram page, where you can actually see all your photos laid out, and the theme, or it's a style or a look, is consistent across the— all of the images is once laid out in that grid. So once you see all the squares and things like that, and that's what I mean, it's like The fucking theme's useless unless someone's looking at that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's too much thought for me. I can't handle it. What I love and I almost get off on it, woof woof.

Josh: Another, that's my catch cry everyone, woof woof.

Tommy: Hoodies coming soon, $49.95. I can really see like a bright white, I mean, white is bright, but bright white with just a big black, white.

Josh: White isn't just bright. I've been to fucking Bunnings trying to pick paint.

Tommy: But just woof woof on a hoodie in black. On a white hoodie. That's what I want.

Josh: I mean, I only—

Tommy: I've got a uniform now, so I wouldn't be able to wear a black fucking jumper. But anyway, what was I saying?

Josh: Um, the theme, but what you've been getting off—

Tommy: getting off on here.

Josh: Here we go, everyone.

Tommy: It's not a— I was going to say something dumb, but anyway, seeing successful people that I deem successful.

Josh: Oh yeah. Go on. Yeah, that's what gets me. Yeah, success. Ambitious people.

Tommy: That don't give a fuck and post what they want with no theme.

Josh: I mean, well, hey, you must really get off on me then because my Instagram—

Tommy: Yeah, but I said people I deem as successful. But you know what I mean? Like Casey Neistat, great example. Fucking successful, doesn't give a shit. But even like some other filmmakers that I really like, And I don't know, maybe there's a thought around expectation. There's definitely a thought around what the theme will bring you. And I think if that's out of alignment with the reality of it, I don't know, I think it's where the danger is.

Josh: I think that that filter— we've spoken on a previous episode of using the filter in life that no one gives a fuck. And what potentially I worry about with themes is that I see, you know, Jenny from The Burbs doing an Instagram theme change, and I just think, Jenny, I don't know if anyone gives a fuck about your thing. The—

Tommy: we'll give it a shout out because we're resetting. Um, Hey Tiger, yes, a chocolate brand that Bree, Josh's girlfriend of 11 years, good reset, uh, met in year 9? Met in year 9? No, met in grade 1.

Josh: Year 11.

Tommy: Okay, year 11. You, um, do you have sex that year? No, I'm joking. Anyway, that company has an Instagram account.

Josh: They're gone.

Tommy: We are resetting. What was the night? Candles? No, you— they have got a theme. I'm over it, just to be honest.

Josh: You're over the theme?

Tommy: I'm over their theme. I just want chocolate photos. I'm almost unfollowing. Well, I think it's fucking great. Yeah, I was really impressed, and I'm still impressed by the effort it takes.

Josh: Maybe they need to do a theme reset, but I think also you've got to—

Tommy: White, just bits of white.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. And just write in each caption will be changing for Tommy jacket. Um, but the— no, I think that— I mean, in, in their defense, because obviously I feel like I need to defend them, but I think that— I think part of it is, um, it's an audience thing. So they're going for, uh, a fashion audience. So, uh, you know, a female-focused audience that cares about aesthetic theme appreciation society. And so, yeah, no, they, they do have that, uh, theme. Would, uh, would— I don't know, I can't even think. I literally— I'm, I'm so unblokey that I couldn't think of one blokey. What's a blokey Instagram account?

Tommy: Um, Whiteboard Lessons, The Tailored Man, The Tailored Man. Friend of mine, Dalton.

Josh: Yeah, he's, um, is it blokey though? Well, it's that kind of fam on bloke. It's a—

Tommy: well, it's man, it's manly content. No, meaning woof woof blokes in suits, like dapper. It's like high-end dapper fashion.

Josh: Well, but I still feel like that's, um, they've got an appreciation for aesthetic. I'm trying to think of— because when I think— and maybe this is ill-informed— but when I think about blokes and all that sort of thing, I think, um, maybe more sort of high-vis, not caring as much. But yeah, I guess there's been shifts.

Tommy: I guess if it works, like, and that's the thing, if it's working for Hey Tiger, keep going. Don't fucking listen to me. I'll still eat your chocolate when it's free.

Josh: Yeah, you love a little—

Tommy: it's fucking great chocolate. It's great chocolate.

Josh: They're doing a Mother's Day gift pack at the moment. And I should mention, because Bree fucked up and in an EDM said that the last time you could order it was Thursday in Melbourne, it's actually Friday midday. You can still get it for Mother's Day.

Tommy: Someone is listening to this and it's 2020, we're at 1,000 episodes, and they've just said, what the fuck?

Josh: They're like, they're on their hovercraft. Yeah, what is, what is this thing that we're we're listening to. Yeah, great. Well, no, I think, I don't know if we've, you know, this podcast is probably, this episode is a good example of what people can expect.

Tommy: This is a nice chill arvo for us.

Josh: Yeah, it's a, I mean, keep in mind, giving the context, Tommy and I were working on this video for a finance company that was sort of doing, what do you call it? The federal budget was happening. And so, they made these videos commentating on what was happening. So, we were up at 2 AM trying to get these edits done. So, we are probably like legally drunk based on like how much sleep that we've had.

Tommy: Yeah, I had fuck all sleep. And so, it makes you feel terrible.

Josh: And the funny thing, the one thing about that was, you know, at 3 AM, you know, 2:30 in the morning when we're in this big corporate building in the city And Tommy, just like, he's got red eyes, he's fucking not feeling well. And something comes like out of me that I just want to basically antagonise a little bit. And it's the worst timing, wasn't it?

Tommy: I could feel—

Josh: and I—

Tommy: such an annoying fucker.

Josh: Well, because I was just like, oh mate, you're not looking too good, you look a bit tired.

Tommy: Yeah, no fucking shit, idiot, it's 2 AM. We're usually asleep.

Josh: Yeah, sure, but I thought, given another fact about Tommy is he's a dad, so I thought having a 14-month-old kid, you'd be used to this sort of shit.

Tommy: Nah, not— that's, that's insane. Just, I mean, because I had woken up at 6 AM, so I'd had a full day plus and I hadn't slept.

Josh: I get it. It's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. So what happens here at the end to reset is I normally mention our email address, which is hi@thedailytalkshow.com. .com. A big shout out to Russ Keys. He had a bunch of, um, uh, points that he was going through of previous episodes, which to anyone who's new and listening would have no fucking idea what he's talking about. But I'm sure that it included a Digital Chubby reference in there.

Tommy: Good.

Josh: Um, and so you can send your emails hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you've got any ideas of things that you want to talk about, or you can leave feedback if it's positive through iTunes or the podcast app. We've hit 18 5-star reviews.

Tommy: That's awesome.

Josh: Or ratings, but, uh, we haven't had a fucking review in weeks. I've also been talking to— talking about swearing less, but we can deal with that another day. Everyone, it's The Daily Talk Show. Everyone, thanks for listening, and, uh, please subscribe and give us review— a review if you've enjoyed this. Bye now.