#076 – Creative support group/
- May 1, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Tuesday May 1 (Ep 76) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett. –
How do you start a podcast and why haven’t you started it yet? The Daily Talk Show chucks out some thoughts on creative community.
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 76. Hello everyone.
Well what advice Tommy would you give to someone if they said thinking about starting a podcast
start so one of my best paints he didn't tell me this yeah but he told James Yeah my other best mind that he wants to do this podcast and he's our needs a space and you know I I've got to get all these things together and I haven't talked to him yet I'm going to send him a message today which might turn hell yeah yeah okay we live together in chapter yeah come erotic cow. He's a seriously good broadcast it like he in terms of radio style, great knows how to anchor knows how to fucking, you know, present knows how to talk interview, and nothing stopping him from doing this podcast except Him. And I just want to give you a message to say, dude, I heard your idea. fucking do it. Yeah, I'll help you in any way. It's, it's so simple. Like,
I think if you're if you're wanting to start one stat one, don't worry too much example. As in his idea. Simple, or podcasting is simple. I think podcasting is simple. And it's
fine for I think, maybe because we've come from video. Yeah,
you'd have so many things going at once. But I don't know, start small. If you're going to just literally start small. We don't edit anything in this podcast. That's the big I think that the biggest element that makes this doable, it's not having to wear it out. It's the exact same thing with video, right? Like, if we were
the videos that I made for YouTube, the ones where it's like me, talking is great, because it doesn't require much editing. I cut out a little bit here and there. But it's not like I'm building narrative with B roll and funding going crazy with it, if you feel like you've been jilted into a conversation, it's because we were talking and getting some really great stuff before we hit the we weren't even talking about podcasting, which just talking about sort of, you're working on a little doc at the moment. Yeah,
and they just, they seems to be a lot of people making stuff or a lot of people finally feels like we've hit a point. Whereas you know, if podcasting is 14 years old, or something, yeah, 1314 years old. And what I find so surprising is just how long it's taken to got to get where it is today. But I would say, if you're listening right now, and you have an ID, send money, you know, just just do it do the podcast because they're there is a tipping point right now. And that was the reason why I reached out and said, hey, let's do this podcast. You know, initially, we were talking about, you know, what can we do? We're talking about, like, YouTube was a big thing at the beginning of the right. And then I saw, okay, there is a big increase in
like, Google Home, like, fucking, what is it called? Okay, do all that, like Google Home, Amazon's Alexa all of these audio devices talk. Yeah. And so. And what that means is that not only is it important, but it's also like, everyone's getting speakers in their home. So they go, and I know, when I had got sun us for the first time, you just want to have content to play. And it's definitely if you look at Spotify, we should be on I just got an update from simple cast where we host we should be Spotify in the next month, right? So that's cool.
Well, they put all our episodes on to it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I
think it should be. And so then people can listen to music and they can listen to podcast. My point is that they feels like podcasting used to be quite hard in the sense of people to consume it. And it still is, but I think by the end of the year, we're going to get to a point where the, these apps start to merge into one. So you have an audio app where you can listen to music, and then listen to a podcast. And it's going to be a lot more integrated features. Josh over and Well, I think, like, for instance, Google just incorporated podcasting into search and say, Amen. So if you look on, if you search for a podcast in Google, on Android, you can start to play the files. Yeah,
I had this thought yesterday of, I still don't know quite what it looks like, creating like a creators support group. It's apply on it being a support group. So it's not it's, it's not more meaning every every creative goes through that thing of I can't do it. There's a reason why or I feel sheet and
it's is the exact same thing that everyone who was previously done, it has gone through just at a different level. Yeah, or different time. And I think there's definitely something that could be created where people can get together and you know, he the experiences of everyone else, I think, if you're doing it alone, that's the hardest fucking thing. You know what, I just had an idea what
is it? I think we could actually do this, I think we could even try and get a get it going before we go away.
The that idea, just what I was thinking about was thinking about meetups and the problem that I have with meetups is that it's a lot of opportunity for people to talk about what they going to do. And like our man, you have thought about it, and it's sort of very contained. And then people leave it sort of like a conference, if I can, you get real pumped, and then you go home and do fact all What about
we if we were to have a venue? I've got one my office? Yeah, no. Well, I'm thinking like, even something that's more like a bar type of scenario where we could say, every fortnight we have podcasts from around Melbourne doing shows, so basically, rather than so one of the things that we've talked about is the live shows are really interesting. The thing is, you need an audience, right? And when you're getting started, you don't necessarily necessarily have it. But what about if you treat it almost like an open mic, or like a comedy thing, where it's like, this is something that's open, like we we do live podcasts every second Wednesday, and we faculty invite local podcasts or so people who are just into this format, conflicting come along. And so you have, say, 50 Sita, they might be filling only 20 seats with people who listen to their podcast already,
and they get this new audience. Oh, that's cool. So you can Yeah, so you're building audience but also creating content? Yeah, yeah,
it's nice. I think that could be really fun. Like, stand. It's like a, like an open mic for stand up type of thing. But
you could definitely bring guests interesting interviews. Who have you got this week? Maybe it could be two podcasts, two different podcasts back to like, back to back. You only
wanted my limited. Yeah, 30 minute spot. It's like a comedy show. Yeah, 30 minutes,
but. And then getting could even get like some people emceeing and stuff I think I'd
be fucking cool. Now. Who would say be Mac
man, good man would promote the shit out of it. I can. Handing out drink. Can't just can't help yourself. Go grab something nice for yourself. To raise
your fucking self. Yeah, to a little bit. Khatib razor.
I think that's an account. I like it. I mean, fact now, like, it's, I always okay, right. What, what's the next steps? How can we make it happen?
I think that it could definitely, it's just like doing comedy stuff. But that's what I'm saying is, it's like the, um, what happened within comedy where you create a bit of a community?
You know, that's one thing that we've been talking about is just having other podcasters on Well, I mean, it's just a basic idea. This is just segue into ideas. Yeah, and sleep fact, man, you have to listen to it. Joe Rogan podcast with a neuroscientist talking about sleep. And just he goes through everything you could possibly imagine, you know, from memories of your dreams, and how when you wake up, they vivid and within 10 minutes they gone. So hopefully, we'll have like books next to their bed. Write them down. Well, yeah. Trained. affecting weed. Yeah, but he talks about sleep and
how sleep can connect the pathways of your ideas, you know, problems so you can solve problems. It's like saying, you know, they say sleep on it. Yeah,
it's it was asleep, creating probably neuro pathways or whatever the fuck they
saw the benefit in sleep news. This is the craziest thing. We're all having low levels of brain damage while we're awake. My feeling
and it's usually when I'm talking
increased by hearing the buzzers, is that when we go to sleep, it is restoring our Brian I sort of actually restore. So yes, yes. So it's repairing so we're having low level brain damage. Yeah, especially if you're watching the amount of Peppa Pig I am. 30 fact. And so he's sleeping. That's why probably babies are developing. It's just just fucking growing. Your Mike technique right now is fucking like you've got it. You're pointing the mic down. Like you look like some sort of rapid
freestyle. It doesn't sound great. Just doesn't know. I find that with the specific microphones. It's good to be like, around your chin. And so you're not taught fucking up in your piece down like that. But like that. But anyway, you don't have the head of headphones. We're currently in my apartment. And yeah, so I'm always listening in for audio. And Tommy's just free styling with these might talking about the apartment. You movie. Yeah, yeah. And so I've had the, the normal class the fact that he's, I'm dealing with property managers and things Oh, God. So they're okay. The ones that were like our landlord is awesome. And he's just like, tell the story about the camera that caught the incident I am so I am I was in Oakland traveling. And I knew that they were that the property manager was coming to our place to inspect and I have security cameras all set up in my home office a couple of them so when this emotion detected I get told and so on. I had all my this was sort of survey like three years ago so I had like a my podcasting setup then I had something that was you know, we use something very portable now but I had a desk and sort of like Big Mike arms and what sort of thing anyway I so I got the notification just clicked on us to see if it was them. It was the the property manager and the landlord because you
get push notification you do get push notifications when it senses motion. Yeah,
and then it's so cool. So I got a push notification I watched them in my home office basically the the property manager was saying that they wanted to increase my rent because they saw all the cameras they saw all the good news is do it impersonation slipping the character are so they'll like our look at this setups. Quite nice, isn't it? And I think I think we'll be okay, here. I'm increasing, increasing the room without a problem type of thing. The funny thing was, I remember it. Now, there was two they did, they had a,
the landlord wasn't there for that one. Okay. And then there was a second one that was monk slider that was with the landlord. And I saw the real estate, like the property manager trying to push him on increasing the rent. And he was just like, I was hearing the conversation that they'll having, they'll saying how neat we were. And I got you think they claim this, especially like, before we came because it's like, pretty night. And so I knew that as leverage. So they were
Yeah, I would just go hard on requests and stuff. And just and I remember, we had one instance where they, I knew that they were happy, really happy with us, right? And the landlord wasn't happy with the property manager. So he changed property managers. And they sent us this letter when we started basically, with all the rules around giving money for rent. And basically, it was like, in old there was like, bold in capital letters, and basically saying, hey, if you miss payment, blah, blah, blah, we do not accept part payments. I wrote them an email, because I knew that they thought I said, I don't know who you're used to. Dealing with. But you write your letters have been unacceptable. It's, you know, don't treat us like this. Basically, like, if this is that, if this is the tone that we're going to start this relationship on, we expect a bit better.
But they say, though, just I can't remember.
I'm trying to remember. But I remember that I am the, I remember, I slammed to them for a they got it gave us a late fee or whatever, which was based on some bullshit that they were they were trying to take out a day early than what and we'd set up auto transfers and stuff. So they charged us like 40 bucks or whatever, for a light payment. You got out of that one? Yeah, Yeah, I did. I remember just doing the same sort of thing being white. So you know, the, I got a call yesterday. Yeah,
from a guy who was I didn't know who it was, you know, I went like, it looks like a familiar number. And so I thought, I think this must be a client that I haven't saved into my phone
yet. And I was like, you know, Hello, this is Josh. He says, I, it's
spin. He was like, hey, and so like you trying to process like, Who's this person here? Do I know where I'm trying to place him? It's like, I yes, I just got your number need to organize to get photos taken of the property, right? So Bree had I had a conversation with the property manager saying that we need they need photos to be able to get new tenants in, okay, which is fine. But I was like,
it's not your problem that you're at
a place which is fine. Like, I'm happy to. So I want to help them. But the thing is, it was time to like I was I think we were you were just arriving or something like that for the podcast. I said, Look, I'm just heading into a meeting. I said, initially, as I said, my partner looks after a lot of this stuff. I said, I'll give you I'll send you a text message with her email address, and just aim emails The best thing and so he's like, Okay, thanks. Enjoy your meeting. Or whatever.
hangout. catchy fucking span. So I then he breaks phone ring, like 20 minutes later. And she's like, Oh, yes. Get photos. Uh huh.
I was just like, I just was sort of, like, with my hand just sort of doing a kind of family tell me I must spend the time to fucking because my thing is, I just fucking I don't know, I just in that scenario, when I just feel like there's a need to be a little bit fucking respectful of that. I get work hours I get that he needs to do something. But it's just like, I feel like in those scenarios, you should have just sent it back in one line email by analyzing organized was the end result I think breaks it. I've got to speak to my partner and we'll get back to you. Because he's just like, I and this is the hard bit I i understand the he's designed just to get locked in. He's a photographer wants to, you know, smash out he's weak. But there's also the thing of like, when you're moving, you've got like, we've got a trailer Board of all the shit we need to do because we're selling everything we've got like, I'm going to go down that rabbit hole. Oh, you all the utilities. All that like fucking Garrett, getting rid of Fox now. All of a fact and
how it's so much to do. And what you see is right. Just taking a overview of the situation. This guy he's probably ran his own business. Yeah. is experiencing someone else who has so much shit going on. And when we find friction in in the conversation communication. Yeah, with people. It's probably just because there's something going on with them. Yeah, or something. You know, something I own view, it's like everyone is giving low levels of pushback, because we're not communicating and 100% which you don't have to communicate. You have to tell them everything that's going on. But I also think it's like the communication method I find interesting. Like I
before I forget, I have got to bring out that LinkedIn are Yes. Communication, which
says, Well, this is very quick. Like, I just think that I'm not stubborn, but I feel like I've got less
what's what's the word if I can list care in speaking on the phone for people who haven't, like pre planned that conversation not to be it sounds like I'm being a fucking Tulsa. No, no, you mean but it's that thing of like, if I'm in the middle of something, like just like, I don't like interruptions from people that I actually like, and then I'm friendly with when I'm fucking taping work. or trying to work him calling? I don't know. Like, should I just set Do Not Disturb? Like Bree freaks out with the breeze. Very good at multitasking. I'm sure like, breaking things. Yeah, she I just feel like she um, she gets it done and she manages to do like a fairly good job whereas if I was to say take that call then it will put everything else out of whack and I'll be fucking like for that thing doing a lot
with you know yourself if you to go with the flow you probably going with someone else's flow. Yeah, because you haven't set your own path. Yeah.
Would you ever do the doing like I'm tempted to start just having my phone on do not okay,
I get an email I sent somebody an email it came back to me as an autoresponder saying something around we you know, we valued deep work and so we only respond to emails once a day I got that autoresponder followed by response. Don't fucking do that. Yeah, it's it's like you've talked about autoresponder. Yeah,
it's hard to get it right.
What's hot, but I think I get it a because then it gives you the option to not respond because you've sent this previous thing but if you do respond and the autoresponder was on it's contradictory to the auto response. Yeah,
I think it shows that they've got respect for you. But like you've managed to Yeah, but but it's also not honoring the system it's unless they say we only check our emails at 1pm and you sent it at 1230
maybe but no it happened twice happen to whatever completely different time and so all that made me think was at a glass that's not there haven't got that right and so why would I even think that I think it's like I always think it if someone's just to have a brief look and so it's like what's your business at a glance what's your what your personal brand at a glance yes and because that's all people are really giving you these days is just a quick glance What's up? Yeah, I got it. And so it's a headline it's something but it's like how do you sort of form formulate what you doing
Yeah, for pay for those people who are just at a glance, I think the thing that's hot with us is we've got these sort of,
we've got this two pronged business for it's like we're in the business of creating content but actually the business is in solving problems you know, building brands communicating and we're using the mechanism of content creation as a way of doing that and so when you view it in that point of view, then it becomes actually we need to prioritize communication we need to be a mailing and beyond on all of that sort of you know on that too bandwagon the the fact you bringing the world of creativity together with you know solid communication communicating your idea communicating the process is the challenge yeah the accidental creative is a great podcast that I listened to I sent a couple that was the one that Michael been gay Steiner was I liked that one yet but yeah that guy's got a got he's got a it's called hurting Tigers or something like how to how to lead creative teams it's a book
yeah so I think that there's a
there is that balance and i think that you know I've been in the service industry creating videos for people for over 10 years and I'm just trying to work out what I want that to look like now and I think that you're like in the same boat like I think everyone's in the same boat where it's like if you're job if you're a graphic designer copywriter you know video production house whatever it is there's that constant balance of how to provide a great level of service and still get shit done
yeah so this LinkedIn thing you go to LinkedIn this is interesting
I'm not I don't quite know how what I think about this just yet but let's discuss guy named Bruno he is a Perth corporate headshot and portrait specialist yeah interesting so you know when you get a LinkedIn request you can add add a note to it your mic technique just then was horrendous I scratch my nose when you scratch your nose you can hear anyway so the night that he left with the request to connect is Hello Tommy I'm reaching out to connect because I saw you comment on z ons previous post we interviewed him the other day day about his return on investment on his LinkedIn strategy and direct client inquiries and then he sent a link to it your take on this is appreciated regards Bruno a respect the like how like on the ground marketing of what you've done interesting though it's interesting to see he's seen me comment this guy he's a really lovely guy z on on I would actually love to have him on the podcast. He's he's got like a it's almost like the King Kong style agency which is so King Kong is like a local agency that what they do content and stuff. No, Mark. It's real. Yeah, like numbers. Digital Marketing, Facebook stuff in Google AdWords. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, getting people you know, sign ups and
varies but z on has been commenting on my stuff. He's really lovely. And he's got some really cool stuff that he's making.
And so I must have commented on it. And this guy's gone through the links. So the approaches go through other people's videos of the content we've created for them and then sharing
so Bruno we so I feel like what's interesting here is the question is, I wonder what to say on thinks about this. Yeah, like would
and I guess it's a leveraging the connection of z on and I which was very organic, he just sort of my staff started commenting, and now he's, he's, he's piggybacking it It feels like to me like I think it's okay i think that there's smarter ways of doing it. Yeah,
like I don't think like in one regards. I appreciate the authenticity yeah because he's not trying to fucking like create some sort of
fake story I think that for me I'd probably if I was say sorry if I thought and I guess this is less of a volume game and more about quality leads or whatever quality relationships if I was burner I would click on to your LinkedIn I would then consume your content and I would write a YouTube comment on your content on your videos and actually unsubscribe and being gauged and then when you naturally start having conversations then being able to say like you will naturally Look at his content and what he's doing and then you know six months later you're talking and he can say I saw
It's funny how we we connected actually saw a comment on z on that's the yeah yeah
that's a longer approach and I think you know he's probably a business owner sounds like what does
he wants to he wants what he wants but I want you to view his content yeah so
he's put the link in there too I haven't even clicked on it must go to like a video I can't even click on it and so LinkedIn issue here
as a business you have to be doing something yeah and I appreciate that that's something
I'm not offended all that it's like if anything he thought that he found a good link to be able to have fun I think it's pretty it's pretty low level should I think
I don't do it we still need to do talking about the few closer loops or rehashing Lopes. We still need to do our cold emails yeah
which was on a previous episode yeah the whole thing is making promises on
spying on us still haven't spied on you yet. I had moments where I'm like all this would be a good one. I thought about flying up to Brisbane.
So everybody miss your flight
to grandfather he got no footage but yeah, I thought that would have been been fun
to prioritize at the moment.
You know, it's um, the social you know, reaching out to LA so I think we've spoken about it a lot I think it's
all of this comes down to communication doesn't everything that we're talking about. He's even doing a podcast the part that people struggle with is how do I communicate to the world with what like my ideas and where do I fit and I've got a friend who's been working on a podcast there's people who do way more work than we do but they haven't fucking released it and it's like the really nothing at all so I go in there for I've got like a mate who's done six amazing like a high end podcast episodes where it's like fucking sound designed and so like built out and
yeah I was speaking to him about the like hey when are you releasing that thing is like still need to I want to get a few more in the bank before I start releasing them weekly and then I was like how many of you guys off got six that has done Are you fucking kidding me six weeks of content and so I think that that's
removing that barrier to entry so it's like just fucking get it out there because
I told you this is the support group that I was talking about yeah
creative support group get together encouraging but it needs to be more because I literally I have friends who will contact me and I'm completely fine with it where they're like they're working within a business there are creative within a bigger business and they've got no other like minded people and they'll say hey man just feeling a bit down or I'm just like I need some fucking pump up and will literally go out to lunch and we'll be talking about fracking YouTube and strategies and different ways of doing stuff and that's enough for them to fucking have your to go on and do all the other thing yeah
so but that's what I'm saying it's like not everyone has those friends that they're talking about creating with yeah so
it's definitely I think it's just about
I think creating authentic community that is engaged and that is a phallic amusing lot of ways of words but that was a word is a word to get out of no wonder that just like gauge commute, like all a bit sort of corporate but I think that the
the tough and biddies maybe getting the right people together. Like and actually I think the problem that I've had with meetups, previously he is that Yeah, there was a lot of talking going on, or that it could be used as a competitor comparison or things like that word. I think
if you set the agenda if you set the sort of tone of the meetup. Yeah, I think you're talking about fucking WordPress meetups and internet stuff and like it, but if you're the creator of one of these, and you're and you can say, this is what it's for. And you can't get bogged down in thinking that everyone's just going to talk because that's the reality like Craig Harper. Matt motivational speaker. Yeah, you know, I say to him, and I've said I've had the discussion around our but you know, people are just hearing the same thing, you know, the coming to you twice, you're going to hear you say the same story here at 20 times, so forth. I act Yeah. And so the supportive someone going, dude, you just need to post Do you just need to constantly might be enough for them to go, okay, hit the wall. I've literally I've done that with a friend of mine who's in Canada. She's a
sort of has sort of an entrepreneurial background worked in startups, things like that. decided to make the move to video doing video stuff. And I'll do like a FaceTime with her for like, 40 minutes. And just because she's in like this the $700 half now.
Exactly, yeah, the big consulting sessions now, it's just like a good a good chat, where she'll say like, she's in a I'm new band, I think. And so it's just great to up. She doesn't have heaps of creative people. It's great. We can chat for 40 mins and afterward, she's like, okay, yeah, I'm sending up this website, doing this thing going to set, you know, and like, that's really powerful. having the confidence and maybe not even, it's not even having the confidence. It's just getting it done talking about what you want to be doing. And for this, you know, the podcast, if we bring it back to starting a podcast, what would you say it's like, the benefit in just communicating to another individual or to somebody and chatting about things that are interesting. And being able to form those links. I know, for my brain how I work. Yeah, it's like, I'm starting to realize a lot of things. Yeah, and you also need multiple input
inputs to so if you have only one mentor or one friend, you've only got like, one bit of inspiration to pull from, but for me, like how much I've refined my like, even accounting approach by stone, you have some friends that are super fucking pedantic and that will go like extreme ends and get bogged down and do all these unnecessary things, just because they're a bit fucking OCD. And then you've got the real loose friend who doesn't fucking take photos of their receipts. And also, but you find a middle ground, you borrow from all of them, and say, Okay, well, what's my version of this, and that's the same with content, you say, people who are the extreme end to where it's like, they'll spend weeks on an edit, and then you're hanging out with a friend who just smashes out a piece of content in a few hours, and then you you take from all of them. And I guess that's the power of those meetups, things like that. But I think what it needs it that we need to promote the making. Yeah, and so I think that if we could maybe it's the, you know, we don't have a so within, right, if I use the radio analogy, maybe there's, there's a sense that you need to have, you know, in the 90s, when you're, you're wanting to become a fucking radio personality or whatever, a presenter, you would have a type and you'd put together your best bits, and you'd get air checks. I wonder what the, the New Age equivalent of that is, like, maybe you don't need to do any of that because you put it out there. And it's being seen and heard by all those people.
It's self awareness or willingness to work out and see what the experience of being around you is like. Yeah, so like,
listening back to your podcast, our podcast, what's what's Joshua's experience? What's the Josh experience for someone else in the room would actually, you know what you talked about what you want to create? I think that we're almost creating this right now, with the podcast. We're giving people a new perspective. And it's like what I loved and have spoken about a bunch when I was like 14 years old, listening to podcasts and watching video podcasts. And you'd be learning about like, these are people who are living in San Francisco and they all their mates are within, you know, tech. So Gary van der Chuck, who a lot of people know now is the crazy dude from New York who has vine, a media and he's always talking about the fucking hustle and shit like that hustle. Yeah, I was, you know, I was first introduced to him, and he's content back. It would have been like, 2004, 23
years ago. That sounds like it would have been, yeah, 14 years ago. Yeah. And he was the one guy and he was just fucking making videos and reviewing wine. And he was using a really
video hosting site called vid law. So it was like, this was when YouTube and video were probably like, a similar size, right? And there were all these chips on video. So
he was the
well sales via Vimeo, YouTube. And so, like, for me, that's so exciting. And hopefully we can bring a bit of that to this podcast where it's like, you can be anywhere you can even fucking Tokyo right now listening and you can again, interesting insights about Melbourne and about just fucking app perspective. And that's what I've been. I've been listening since starting this podcast. I've made an effort just to listen to more as well to mold podcast. Yeah,
one of the things Gary Vee saying he thinks it for a wall. It's
rather than standing on your soapbox and I metaphorically
being the expert talking about how you know, you know how to do this. Well, this is how you do something. Yeah. documenting what working it out. So for us a tagline for this show is to dummies. Guide to Life. Yeah, by two dummies. We're working it out. Right? We talk about stuff that we might not think in three months, we might learn a lesson we talk about stuff that we don't know. Yeah, and we're
trying to work out what's not. Yeah, we're not fucking experts. We're just just spit balling. And then hopefully, you know, this is the chat that people have over lunch. And if you're freelancing maybe you know working from home you don't get get exposed to that we did get a email from Michelle
in regards to our last podcast around the direction of the show she said you've hit the nail on the head having the conversations that no one else is having that's why I follow social media and barely watch broadcast TV anymore so I think that that definitely like having those fringe conversations and just
I definitely relate to doing this every single day trying to think of different things to talk about
I think that will start to bring more I feel like I oh I'm constantly in life desiring more structure
yeah it's like I need to stretch brings security safety yeah
like 100% and like for me I'm always working quite unstructured
but yeah I think if you're locked down in structured start to fuck you over your head was Dhaka I want less? Yeah,
exactly. So that's all I think part of structure is having less anything else that you want to bring up or you find now so good. It's a daily talk show everyone please. We appreciate when you do a male like Michelle does. I'm glad that my a big push yesterday was affected as good as
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