Confidence and 500 bucks in the PO box

Josh: The Daily Talk Show, episode 62. Tommy Jacket, what's going on, mate?

Tommy: I wanted to say 62, you got in. I was hoping you let me say it.

Josh: Uh, wasn't— we had a low vibe yesterday.

Tommy: Flat as fuck.

Josh: Apologies. Can we call it flat as fuck? Can we go back and edit the episode and call it flat as fuck? Let's, uh, let's do that.

Tommy: Probably wouldn't rank well having F in there.

Josh: That's true.

Tommy: Um, what's going on, baby baby?

Josh: Oh, look, uh, not much. Was watching a documentary.

Tommy: As you do. Yeah, because Josh hasn't seen a film. Don't ever get in a conversation about films because I only watch non-fiction.

Josh: Don't have time for fucking—

Tommy: but if you want a recommendation of a doco, Josh is your guy.

Josh: Yeah, I don't remember the titles, but, uh, there was one, Take Your Pills, on Netflix at the moment talking about all the ADD drugs. Uh, fucking—

Tommy: you would have been as a kid that they said Josh might need to take some pills.

Josh: I think I've told you before that the my mum would use that as a constant threat. She said, if you don't fucking behave, I'm taking you to the doctors and we're getting you medded up. Yeah, I'd be like, no, you can't stop me, you can't settle me down. Like, I was really worried that it was going to fuck with me.

Tommy: It would have.

Josh: You would have been, you know, like Ritalin, Adderall, all these things.

Tommy: I think it's big in America.

Josh: Yeah, but what happened— what's big in America eventually makes its way to here. And so, um, uh, yeah, Take Your Pills, talking all about how these, uh, amphetamines, uh, like Adderall and shit— I think they're amphetamines, I think that's what they were saying— they are used by students to stay focused.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. So they've got the— it's like, um, Sudafed. So it's got speed. Oh, it's got that in it.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So it helps them. I wonder why they put it in there. It must— so when you've got like cold and flu tablets have Sudafed in it, which brings you up. Yeah, you actually become a bit more lively when you've, you've had some Sudafed. And so that— so what they're saying, what are they just fucking having these so they can get focused and pump out work.

Josh: Yeah, so it's a common practise in like colleges and stuff. A lot of people will fake their, um, you know, ADD to try and get it, for one. But also, uh, there's a bit of a black market. So there's fucking Facebook groups where people are like, hey, selling some Adderall. But what was interesting about it was near the end. So there's like fucking, uh, college football players using it, and they use it because you can get these exemptions. So as, uh, there was a chick who had an exemption who basically— I think Ritalin and Adderall both used for ADD, different sort of, uh, fucking chemicals. Maybe one's like an amphetamine, one's a methamphetamine or something. I think I may have fucked that up.

Tommy: You probably fucked that up.

Josh: But, uh, basically different strand, and you can get an exemption, and it's specific to your strand. So if— Ah, okay. So what apparently happened with this one person was they took a— they were prescribed Adderall, and they took Ritalin one day or whatever, and then they piss into a thing, and then they come back as positive to the drug that they're not exempt to.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But where, where like college players are using these drugs is because it, uh, it boosts your confidence in the sense of you will, um, you'll run further, you'll fucking, you know, smash into people harder. Uh, it's good for focus, so you'll stay focused on the ball, those types of qualities.

Tommy: So they, they take— they think it's like a super pill.

Josh: Yeah, a little bit.

Tommy: They're taking something, right? So they're thinking it's like thinking it's doing— what is that placebo effect?

Josh: Yeah, well, no, so it's, um, well, it's not a placebo effect, but it's an addict— it's actually something that's highly addictive. And so that's why it's a controlled substance, uh, because you fucking take it and starts off as this, oh yeah, it's great, it's boosting shit. And then over a long period of time, it can create all of these other side effects— anxiety, all this sort of shit. But what, uh What was happening where, uh, talking about placebos, they did do a test where they basically, um, this was years and years ago, I think the '50s or something. They had all of this sort of the, uh, the Adderall type drug, the, you know, what's, you know, the, the main ingredient of that, tested on a bunch of students and also gave people like a placebo, like a, um, like a control. Control, whatever. Anyway, what they found was that the only thing that people ticked that was different, uh, was a heightened sense of confidence. So basically what they were saying is it doesn't make you fucking better at endurance, it doesn't make you a better fucking runner in the sense of physically it doesn't actually— yeah, physically it doesn't do anything, it just gives you the confidence that you are better. Okay, so for me, I've been running 3 days in a row. Please stop.

Tommy: Are you on Adderall? No, your energy's up.

Josh: I'm not on Adderall, I'm not on Adderall, but I, uh, I've been doing the experiment where I tell myself, you've just taken it, you're fucking on Adderall. And, uh, I mean, I've been running the 3Ks without stopping.

Tommy: Any confidence? Is it increased?

Josh: I think so. Do I look confident?

Tommy: You seem confident. You're wearing, um, and I've learned this only from you.

Josh: Horizontal stripes.

Tommy: And you're looking good.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: So you're owning it.

Josh: I'm owning horizontal stripes.

Tommy: If you were feeling frumpy, you wouldn't wear horizontal stripes.

Josh: Correct.

Tommy: And thank you, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, it's now called Queer Eye. When you're watching it, you learned that? Was it Queer Eye for the Straight Guy?

Josh: Correct.

Tommy: Confidence is a funny thing because I find it's like fleeting, and I just thought then that if, if you have no confidence, getting con— like, I feel like confidence can compound. So like, I thought about someone who's successful, someone who's had, you know, sold a bunch of businesses.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And now has a bunch of cash and feels like they're on top of the world and they've got barriers broken down. You know, I could do this again, I've done it 3 times.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The confidence that they would have versus a person that's just starting a business, yeah, it's probably miles and worlds apart. And so it's, it's grown, like you've been rewarded by your success and your confidence. But I also think it can be fleeting, like it goes. And so maybe someone who's sold a bunch of businesses, when their confidence goes or they feel like they've had a blow or they're just feeling a bit insular in their, you know, thinking and stuff, but when they come back it will be higher. Yeah, because their level, their, their tank of confidence is greater.

Josh: Well, we said, I think that we— yeah, we'd level up confidence maybe. So for instance, if you do a bigger event, like if you're emceeing events or whatever, the bigger events you do, the time you feel less confident. But after you do it, you then build a little bit more confidence. So it's this like depletion and then fucking extending it. I mean, how— you seem like a pretty confident person and As a someone who's presenting, doing radio stuff, where do you think, like, how has your confidence changed?

Tommy: I think my confidence, like, when I'm doing more, I feel more confident. So when I stop and become like over-analytical on stuff and I am in my head thinking about doing, and then I get annoyed that I'm not doing, and then I feel like I've, you know, lost a bit of my confidence. But I feel quite confident at the moment. I said that to you today, earlier today. I said I feel like I'm on a wave, and I said— and I had it as like a wave metaphor. So currently I'm surfing a good solid wave. Yeah, I don't know, shit can— I can fall off the board, but I feel pretty confident.

Josh: Yeah, I think that the, um, it's a, it's a mindset thing which is going to affect— so I think the things that maybe aren't good for confidence is, um, comparison and cold sores. Yeah, exactly. Herpes on your face or 10 kg more than you should.

Tommy: Yeah, true, true.

Josh: No, I think, um, comparison is a fucking hard one, right? Yeah, because we look at comparison and we say, okay, we, um, we trick ourselves by saying it's market research. It's fucking seeing what the market's doing. What's the fucking idiot across the road— what are they doing?

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then we start to fucking compare ourselves. Yeah, it's very hard. I think it's very hard to, um, uh, to look at, um, you know, to look at yourself in a sort of a, um, realistic way.

Tommy: I'm sure you've had this. I had an idea, fuck, this is the best idea. It could be a business, it could be a video idea.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then you see someone who's done it and you're like that confidence hit. Yeah, because you, you'd painted it like Amazon. I thought about it, and then yeah, it just knocks— that rattles your confidence. Yeah, with someone, you can have your confidence rattled just from a comment from somebody. But what's the real difference between— because I think we're, you know, anything we're talking about, the opposite to someone without confidence is someone who's feeling confident and is having success.

Josh: But it's like, I guess it's, uh, confidence in what? Confidence has a bunch of— so it's confidence in— because, and what's the difference between arrogance and confidence, do you think?

Tommy: Hmm, well, maybe it's like a false sense that you actually have that skill. You, you know, say you, you're coming in confident to the fit— you're coming in arrogant to the field, or a fighter comes in being very arrogant. And I think that's a really clear way— the USC, there's a lot of arrogant dudes, and they get fucking— then they get knocked out.

Josh: What's the definition? Oh fuck, what's the definition of arrogance? Arrogance means the quality of being arrogant. The quality— the quality of being arrogant. Thanks for fucking nothing, Siri. Piece of shit.

Tommy: But I think the fight is a good thing. He didn't, he didn't have the capability that he thought he did, and the other fighter came in, was confident.

Josh: So is that the only difference? But I think that you can be arrogant and still be very good at it too, right? So you could be super confident. So say a magician who's real fucking good, right? Just fucking knows how to do all these tricks.

Tommy: Magician— can we go something else? A magician isn't doing magic. It's not fucking magic.

Josh: No, but they're so fucking— they can be real arrogant about it, like they are.

Tommy: Okay, you know, I get that.

Josh: Yeah, like, just what's the difference between a confident magician and an arrogant magician? I guess it's his tone or her tone. Yeah, not many female magicians, on another point.

Tommy: Anyway, yeah, because all the men are just fucking killing it and being weirdos. So many weird magicians as well. If you're a magician Maybe you're weird, but I've had some experience with weird magicians.

Josh: Yeah, there's— I mean, it takes— I mean, what qualities? I've thought about magic, like doing more magic. Well, I just— I like the idea of sleight of hand. I feel like that would be real handy.

Tommy: What, being dodgy?

Josh: Yeah, just being able to be like fucking dropping things places and doing little fun— I like the idea of having a deck of cards and just being able to fucking fling it from one hand to another.

Tommy: That's arrogance. You want to be seen as this sick cunt that can fucking do magic tricks.

Josh: Yeah, maybe.

Tommy: Just, yeah, I think— what is the— what do you think the difference between confidence and arrogance?

Josh: I don't know. I think that the, um, I think it's all in the fucking person. I think it's the exact same thing where people talk about, you know, like the difference between like someone who's creepy and like super sweet is just whether you like them or not. It's probably the same thing where it's like if a guy like waits outside a chick's house and like, like singing songs. Yeah, if she likes him, that's really sweet. But if she doesn't, if she doesn't, it's real fucking weird.

Tommy: Do you think I've— do you think I come across as arrogant?

Josh: Uh, no. Uh, yeah, no, probably not since maybe, uh, I think arrogance is something that, uh, you can only it seems more superficial in its diagnosis. So if someone's being arrogant, it's normally, um, I think there's always a negative. I don't think there's a good arrogance, is there? Because I don't know, arrogance is confidence. So I think the only time, like, if, if there's maybe fake confidence is arrogance. Maybe, uh, if you feel like you're fucking really top dog Because, you know, confidence comes from, I think, realising that you fucking lose a bunch of times, then you're like, you know what, I'm confident in myself, that type of thing.

Tommy: Yeah, I think my confidence— I feel like I'm— I think my confidence is coming from this understanding that, and being— and me being accepting of the fact that not everything I do is fucking great.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I feel like that means that what I— then that it's like a great approach for me, which will get me the result of greatness. It's like, I feel like I'm having more goes than I've ever in my life.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I'm more okay with shit not being good, not being perfect.

Josh: What do you think? Like, what are your rules to life, do you think? I've been thinking about this more.

Tommy: I told you not to leave with big questions.

Josh: Okay, that's true. And we did talk about that today. We were talking about like, I tend to sometimes ask big questions.

Tommy: Start with a big question and then give me some filter.

Josh: So I'll filter it back. So for instance, I've been thinking about, um, gossip or talking about people. It's that classic thing of— it's a, it's their own cliché, which is like, oh, you never feel good about— like, fucking big minds talk about ideas, small minds talk about people, which I get in theory when you're upset with some fucker because they're talking about you. In reality, like, I think that like, given we are people people, it makes sense that you talk about people as well. However, as a rule, I think it's a good qual— like, how do you feel when you talk about someone in a negative sort of fucking—

Tommy: You and I talk about a lot of other people, but not in a bad way. We like to actually dissect what other people are doing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I think if you were caught up in talking about other people with no other thought than being driven by the emotion that that person or their action has made you feel— I'm fucking outraged, that person, you see that dickhead?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Versus like, you see that dude, how fucking loose that motherfucker is?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What's he thinking?

Josh: Like, well, this is the interesting thing, right? I was watching a video that, um, what was his name, the, the guy who— the CEO of Patreon.

Tommy: Dan, is it?

Josh: He did a great video for Casey Neistat the other day to get a meeting with Casey. It was—

Tommy: And I thought he was a nobody, this guy. I'm like, watch this video.

Josh: How did you find it, by the way?

Tommy: I just actually saw it in a suggested video.

Josh: Jack Conte is his name.

Tommy: Jack Conte?

Josh: Yeah, so he did a video. Watch the video, Dear Casey Neistat, from the CEO of Patreon. Very good video. But I was watching—

Tommy: so good—

Josh: was watching one of his other videos and it was like, it's called the, um, it's called The Net, I think it's called.

Tommy: The Net.

Josh: Um, and basic, uh, he talks about your three realities. Google, if you have time, your three realities, right? Basically what he's saying is how— I can't fucking remember all three— like, there's your reality there's the reality of like what a camera or an audio recording will capture.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then there's the reality of the other person. And his point is you never know the third reality, and you can have a better understanding through communication if they're very good at communicating, but you will never understand that third reality. And so one of the interesting things that I was reflecting on is I think that I like to look at, analyse people and say, this is why they're doing what they're doing. How often are we saying like, you know what, I actually—

Tommy: it's one of the things I love asking you, what do you think they're doing?

Josh: Yeah, because I'll be like, I actually think that their, their mum hates them and that because of that they're now taking it out on this, this, and this, and they're— they were bullied as a kid and now they're insecure. Yeah, it's that sort of shit, right?

Tommy: You have so much confidence in that area of working out.

Josh: No fucking idea, right? It's, it's literally, it's I don't actually like the people who watch air crash investigations and think that they're fucking like they understand aviation. They're like, oh, the reason the fucking plane went down was because of the fucking velocity of the third wing, that sort of shit. So anyway, I do that. I think that's a bad quality of me.

Tommy: You don't like it because I entertain it, because I know you do that and I love asking you questions.

Josh: Well, I think that we do. I do get off a bit on it where I'm like, ah, fuck, I'm enjoying that. This person is fucking deluded, they've got no idea what they're thinking, but I know that the reason that they're reacting the way they are is because they hate themselves. I think that's a bad quality.

Tommy: Yeah, I think they're not all as brutal as that. Yeah, sometimes they're just like, I love asking about what you think Casey Neistat's doing. Yeah, because you always have a solid answer because you thought about it.

Josh: I actually find this really funny. 'Cause we do talk about it a bit where it's like, yeah, anyone.

Tommy: Have you noticed that I—

Josh: What do you ask? What questions do you think you ask?

Tommy: I ask you always about, what do you think, what's Casey Neistat thinking with this stuff? Where's he going with it? And I like, it's like, Dad, can you tell me a story? I actually quite like your imagination of where—

Josh: Well, I think so, Casey, let's talk about Casey. If you don't know Casey Neistat, he's a vlogger.

Tommy: One of the biggest YouTubers.

Josh: One of the biggest YouTubers. He had a business called Beme. Bought by CNN, had some issues, left Beam. He's now, what's the 3—

Tommy: 368, 369, 368.

Josh: 369, 368, 368.

Tommy: I don't know, the most original name for a business.

Josh: 'Cause I can't remember it, but anyway, he's got this space. So yeah, you do, you can get in and sort of start deconstructing and saying, okay, so he's had a lease on an office. Yes, and then this is why he's doing this thing. But I think that what we do when we talk about people and stuff like that, we are revealing our own insecurities in the sense— and I recognise that, and that's why I say I'm like, the reason that they're doing this thing, I think, is because he needs to justify right now. Like, he's— so he's just— so from a PR point of view, he's, uh he's finished his business. Yeah. And, um, he needs to communicate to the world that he's like, he's got a fresh start, he's doing this thing and all that. Because that's what we would do, right? But, um, for whatever reason, a lot of people hate the thing that they would do. Like, if, if it's coming from a place of hate, it's normally because you can relate.

Tommy: Maybe what I love about his approach is I, I, I think that he's also— there's a massive level of, I've got no fucking idea. And I'm letting you in for the ride. It's the ethos of his filmmaking, right? It's like, turn the camera on and the storey will come.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it's one approach, but you know, that can also be a facade for thoughtfulness behind what you're doing and making it feel like that.

Josh: Well, I think that there can be— I think that the things that resonate with people is when the, the actions that someone takes is in line with the values that they're communicating. So for instance, the one thing, and this is why I don't like being a fucking, what is it called? A keyboard warrior or a fucking chair seat. What is it called? What's the one?

Tommy: Quarterback.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Armchair quarterback.

Josh: Yeah. I don't like any of that stuff. But I think some of the things I think about with Casey is, and which I question myself, which is like he's got a big new space.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: He's like over there. Like, we're going to be— I'm starting my podcast because now I can create a studio. And my initial reaction is like, well, you could create a podcast like with, you know, $100. And it was almost like what we're talking about yesterday where we're talking about gear and what gear you need. Yeah, yeah. Reality is, to do a podcast, all you need is a fucking iPhone.

Tommy: Yeah, true.

Josh: Not even. So I mean, I think that, I think that that's hard. But I think it's a shit quality. I think that it's, um, yeah.

Tommy: So you're saying it's a shit quality that you don't like?

Josh: I don't, yeah, I don't like that. Um, I've been reflective on it and I think that it's, uh, you want me to stop asking you? No, well, I think that I just want to go on. So I even have this thought with the podcast. So my concern is that I'm putting too many of my thoughts out into the world, and I, in a form which is quite raw, but I'm not synthesising them properly.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So the difference between— it's almost like in some regards I'm just fucking giving you every— I'm just giving everyone everything without giving it the proper consideration.

Tommy: Yeah. I also think there is— I, I feel the same, but I feel like it's synthesising my thoughts as we go.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And It's like you saying writing down on a piece of paper, yeah, helps you get from what's in your head onto the page. Therefore, you start constructing a solid idea or an opinion on something. One of the biggest things you've said is like, I don't have an opinion on that. It's like, well, you, you, you can go there. Yeah, if you choose to. You don't have to always pick a side. And some of these things that you say that to are big fucking topics, which I personally don't want to have an opinion on either. You know, on a public space. But it does help, like you talking about this stuff. I reckon over the last 62 episodes, I feel clearer on stances on certain things, or I feel like I know myself a bit better because I've talked it out with you. I said also earlier, it was like, I feel this podcast is— and making a podcast for anybody, what it actually helps you learn about yourself.

Josh: Well, I think like, for instance, yesterday's episode, after finishing that, I felt a bit like, eh, like that was a bit nutty. Like, do we start? Do we start again? Do we do that again? And like, that is part of the— that's the insecurity, right? That's the game that we're playing. And it's realising that other people, it's like we've spoken about this in a previous episode. When I did a YouTube video that I knew I could have done a better job, and you knew that I could do a better job too. And so you're fucking mad at me because you're like, fucking like, ah, like, you know what I'm capable of. And it's that internal voice that sort of fucking merges. But, um, no, I think that it's— I do wonder, like, what is the, um, what's the end game for the things that we're doing? But I don't think you can know Yeah, so, and, and that's the thing, right? You, you either— you either analysis paralysis, you don't fucking do anything because you're overanalyzing, so you're paralysed by it, or you just start making and sort of working it out in the process. Is there a risk to that? I'm not sure.

Tommy: Making it and working it out in the process? Well, I think that sometimes, like, maybe, um If you're not okay with failure, there's a massive risk of failing.

Josh: So for instance, when do— when is this podcast good enough for us to put it on our LinkedIn and not feel like we're gonna get slammed?

Tommy: I haven't really felt like that. I haven't put it up there. I've been dabbling in LinkedIn. I'm happy to put that— I should put a video up. Fuck, you just reminded me.

Josh: Yeah, well, I just feel like there is that little bit of me which is like, mate, I don't know whether you know, we've got our audience that listens to us and enjoys us. I don't know how far it translates.

Tommy: You know, to be honest, I'd be happy for us to get to 100 episodes of this podcast.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And fucking call it a day. Yeah, seriously, like 100 of anything.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know how much 100 times by 30 minutes, it's 3,000 minutes of talking. Where we've come in, in 3,000 minutes of talking is exceptional.

Josh: Yeah, and, and then it's working out like the next iteration, right? Because then it means that it's like you've oiled up whatever it is to do the next thing. I do wonder, it's almost like the dip, which is Seth Godin's theory and book, which is like you get to a point. And so say it's that 100 episodes, maybe that's the dip. Maybe it's when we're like not seeing any growth, like we've had the same amount of audience for the last 50 episodes, whatever it is. And so we stop. However, yeah, the 110th episode is when things fucking go bang.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so I think that that's definitely the, um, you know, when is the last— when is the last Seinfeld? When's the right time to do the last Seinfeld episode? When's the last time—

Tommy: I remember when he made his billionth dollar.

Josh: Well, like Rove Live. I remember when Rove was a thing and just being like, when that ended it was a big deal.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Um, and that when Hamish and Andy decided to finish the radio show, like all of these things— John Farnham decided to leave for the seventh time, you know, his career, you know, like, yeah, totally. It's—

Tommy: I think, fucking, I want to make more videos and I feel like this gets in the way of that, but maybe it doesn't. I reckon I've created more videos this year than I did last year.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I've also done 62 episodes of a podcast.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So if it— if I know the excuse of this is getting in the way of videos is bullshit because I'm more creative in my mind and, you know, and the skills I'm getting from talking.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know, on a podcast is a lot.

Josh: And because it's like, what would you do if you weren't doing this, right? The thing is like, this is what this is probably eating into right now for me is just lazing time. I'll just be lazing around. And so, and it's the difficulty, it is that thing of like, it's like running, 'cause you know, I'm a runner now. So, it's like—

Tommy: 3 days in, 3 days in, 3Ks a day.

Josh: It's the whole thing where it's like, when I'm running, it's like, it's a little bit painful, it's a little bit annoying, but I'm like, if I actually— it's only 20 minutes of my life. And so why do we think about what you would give? Like, if I look at my phone right now and I look at the last 24 hours, I can tell you how much time I have spent, uh, on different apps, right? And so if we, if we just look at— if we purely look at that, and then it, it really should put in perspective some of those other things, right? Like going to my battery. Here we go, uh, battery usage. Last 24 hours, I've spent 1.2 hours on Instagram. In the last 7 days, I've spent 6.9 hours. So basically an hour every day on the fucking app. I've spent— in the last 7 days, I've spent over 9 hours on my phone. Oh, sorry, on the phone, like calling people. So you look at all these things, dude.

Tommy: Instagram for me, last 24 hours, yeah, 24 minutes.

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: What was yours, an hour and a half?

Josh: An hour and 1.2.

Tommy: My biggest one was email, 27 minutes in the last 24 hours. Yeah, YouTube, 24 minutes. Phone, 1.1 hours I've spent on the phone.

Josh: Yeah, go to your last 7 days, everyone. If you just go into the battery section of your iPhone, it tells you all these details under battery use.

Tommy: 4 hours in the last 7 days on, um, Instagram.

Josh: Fuck. And I've spent 7 hours. I'm really spending double the amount of time.

Tommy: And then YouTube. What do you got on YouTube?

Josh: I don't— I hardly use my phone for YouTube.

Tommy: What's the next thing?

Josh: Uh, the next thing for me is phone at 9 hours, and then it goes down to fucking like, um, Chrome, which is only 1.3 hours, 1 hour on my email, 25 minutes on Google Maps. Facebook gets fucking hardly any time really. How much time do you get on Facebook? 1.3 in the last 7 days? Yeah, mine's 54 minutes. Spending less time on Facebook than you are.

Tommy: Fuck.

Josh: Facebook can go fuck itself. You get an issue.

Tommy: Instagram, that's a lot.

Josh: I'd love to see an 18-year-old's phone. An hour? Well, we can ask Lucy.

Tommy: Oh yeah, good idea.

Josh: Um, fuck, because Lucy's so full-on— that's this 16-year-old work experience kid— she's so full-on that if I follow her on Instagram, if she's doing something, if she's going— if she's going to a movie, she'll do like an Instagram storey saying, hey guys, sorry, I won't be able to DM back for the next hour.

Tommy: I, I don't think it's— it's not full-on in their world. It's not full-on in the 16-year-old world at the moment.

Josh: You have to be so fucking contactable.

Tommy: It's connected. It's hyperconnection.

Josh: The interesting thing, and we can explore this on a, you know, future app, but the, the thing that seems to be, uh, really making the, uh, fucking— what do you say— making the rounds at the moment is we're con— we're so connected but we're lonelier than ever. Why? Anyway, I'll leave you on that, everyone. It's a daily talk show, a little bit more energy this time than yesterday. Uh, feel free to Leave us a review on iTunes through the podcast app, or send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, or even send us some snail mail, PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. The jerky is going well.

Tommy: If $500 got sent to the PO Box, would you split it?

Josh: Yes, it's good. $400 to me, $100 to you. PO Box costs money. Thanks everyone.

Tommy: I didn't specify how the split went.

Josh: That's right, that's— you fucked up.