#441 – Freelancing, Business And Contracts With Ryan Jon/
- August 31, 2019
Ryan Jon is back for Weekend Banter! On his 8th appearance on the show, we chat about our experience with invoicing for freelance work, when to start charging, and ways to separate yourself as a beginner freelancer.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– An update on Ryan’s Get Fit For Free
– Filming other people and consent
– Podcast merchandise
– Invoicing and deposits
– When to start charging
– Doing what others don’t
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 441 weekend banter. And Brian Jones back in the building
is good. It was good. last quick question about the intro show what happened to our conversation sometimes worth recording too long, too long.
We got that a long time ago, but it's very sad that you haven't picked up on that. I've been meaning to ask. I noticed.
It's a good it's a very good question. I think we get well part of it is when we started doing video, creating motion graphics for that long.
Right like you don't realise how long it is. Because there's something
like you're a bit of an egomaniac if you have an intro longer than 10 seconds and as went for about 45
minutes especially when you're listening seven days a week you just skip ahead.
You know when you start anything it's like we started with probably watch somebody who has a legacy would lead would end up leading with Yeah, and so we built out that long thing. It served its purpose but you just want to get straight to the content that what Yeah,
but what why don't like in time, you get like a call and Jackie O style and you get all the guests that come on to thought about its resources.
Wait, so we've lost a leg. Hey, it's shameless. Hey, it's Ryan. Hey, it's everyone else you have on and then it's like this big. These guys sound like they're connected.
That's what's funny about kiss because obviously kisses a massive radio brand in the US. Yeah. And I'm sure when they're getting radio IDs, not all of like when you hear it in Australia, they're definitely using the lucky sponsor right there. Well, I did a session with do a labour and it was just the two of us in the studio together. We just did an interview and everyone else left and I just had a page of Hey, it's too late by you're listening to my favourite station and instals recording and with her and I kind of looked at her and I was like, he's every station your favourite station and she says you'd be surprised how many favourites I've got
when we're on Jordan Michael ladies podcast uncommon.
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on the phone? Like I've done some cameos? Yeah, but I tell me Oh, yeah, here we
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Yeah, he called me about. Yeah, so Amanda, you calling? and Megan, did you want me to do a podcast? You guys like you're on it?
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Yeah. I mean, here we are.
We were talking about it. In the office. I think it was just yesterday about how good you are at coming up with games, you always have content, you've got an Evernote full of ideas. Well, not just questions today. And I was saying earlier that it's sometimes cheaper than getting a business coach. Yeah. If I come and ask you questions I want to know the answer to and kind of imply that it's more about studying conversation with you guys. But really, I'm just like, I actually need to know how to do this. He just knows that we love talking about this shit.
So he brings it to the table. I think ever since I've met you. It's all you've always been a guy that's talking about ideas and you get your pad out, but you actually do a bunch of shit to
try and unlike any last one hard this morning, and in a few weeks will say it. Can I be starring if we don't end up in jail. Spoiler alert. We end up in jail. Can I try and unlock your phone because I want to see if my see a picture of my dog on the front? Well, because I just I don't do it very often. Ah, well,
that was easy. I was unlocked.
I was already had to have a code on it. They didn't have a cup. Okay, here we go. Because it was one of those times on don't get it wrong too many times. I know. I just felt like when I saw you, I saw you pressing the buttons on your pin. I was like I'm going to remember that.
If I do it like this and then you tell me what my opinion is?
No, definitely not.
I mean, we just gave you credit on guys. Yeah.
Well, what's in the episode at the moment?
Well the first thing it says well apart from this show or for in general just in general. I'm still doing get fit for free. Okay for gym membership in a few miles, right.
Virginia joke doesn't work. I've done
two f 45. One kind of boot camp one alleges centre and a boxing thing. What's been the takeaway? It's all free. Stop paying.
Boxing. Good. I'm thinking about doing boxing. It's hard. You have to live it's hard.
Yeah, the thing is a blow like it blows you out. So like cardio fit. If you're not gonna be a fit, and you just go into a boxing class. It's just gonna fucking blow your head off. Yeah, start. Start low key. I've also
got work meeting suck. You guys did about a fucking 2% workout the other day. I'll show you how
they're showing up.
Well, the thing I found about it is I don't think I've lost any weight yet. Because when I go to the things I'm like, oh, that would be a good angle. And I'll get a snippet for the food. So I'm seeing how this documentary flash video will end up.
You feel me at all of these things?
Yes, at the end I'm going to be like this is how much weight I lost doing all these free trial. Yeah,
but what do they think you're doing? Just testing out
the facilities? I mean, Tommy check and get a favourite film of the bagel place in his head blown off. Yeah. Rather alone the gym. And you ask them some don't tell them what exactly I'm doing. But I sometimes ask although the The other day I was filming in a pool with the GoPro because I was. And yeah, it is very problematic because I was like, you know, there's kids around and obviously, you know, probably not wearing much. Then this guy with a big gun who's wide as looks creepy just rocks in midday with a camera set up and I was like this doesn't feel right. And so did you keep it up? Or what you do? Yeah, I just I hit the goal because it got worse. Yeah, so you hit the GoPro? Yep.
Go with the hammer to pull
your dude sweating with GoPros are sweating because
the thing is that most people are okay with being film. Like they don't even do you think? Well, I don't know if people don't get it. Like if you I just hold my phone like this. And I go in and I'm feeling like no one really sort of
like, I think everyone understand you're a young dad that there was yesterday with three of these young kids so swimming or a different fucking booger.
Yeah, you don't like I've got a kid and I feel awkward about it. How
would you feel 97 if someone was filming you? Yeah, not at the gym. But in the pool. I just sit weird. Yeah. What about
the pulls back and we don't pull? The pull was about? We? Don't ever do that.
Or got never. But what about like, General? Like, if you were just at a shop, and you felt like someone was had their phone and they'll filming you? How would you feel? Yeah, uncomfortable? wouldn't wouldn't like it? Would you say something?
No, definitely wouldn't say. I wouldn't say so.
Well, during the week, I filmed myself delivering bees for Father's Day. And we are turning up to people's workplaces and houses with a camera and a few of them a lot. What to do with the camera. And I go, Oh, I'm here to give you freebies because you saw nominated. You said you were an awesome dad. And I'm filming a whole bunch of people today doing the same thing. And then it was like, Oh, right. Yeah, I think the most the most pushback I've ever had from deliveries was that guy who asked one question and was fine and tense. I think
if you What's your intention, if you are actually looking to catch someone out? Yeah. Other than that, if you're just filming a situation outdoors, in shops and sheets, a different storey, like inside of a storey about this law, you can actually film people, it's legal. You can film people out in the street.
Yeah. But if you were to film someone, and then decide that they weren't like, you could still be beaten for defamation or something. If you then applied something to that specific person to delete videos that I've done straight interviews, because people have changed giving consent, and then you're allowed to change your mind. So people like I should get them to sign something. But still, you can sign something and then change your mind. Now I reckon,
starting something new. You've got a hard case.
Oh, yeah, I think that's the thing like with,
like all contracts, there needs to be this something in there around like, you have to make it really, like you need to communicate shit. Well. So if you're a tech company, and you're banking on people not reading Terms of Service, or whatever, yeah, like you. It's not a very strong contract. The good ones I like, how here are the dot points read, like, make it making it really clear. Well, I always ask them on camera. Obviously, we don't use the cut in the final video, but is always on camera going, Hey, man, we're filming this for the way on Facebook said Oh, good. And they go, you're fine. And then sometimes I've had people go, I don't think I gave permission. And I can actually send them a little clip and go, here's a video of you saying, I've been asked to say but if you want me to take it down, because they're all plastic when you're filming them? Well, yeah, I'm showing a little as real plastic ones.
So you see it all, but I can take it down. Yeah. But that gets in the way of the process. Right? If you have that in place, to not have to like we don't do the shows. And we're not going to edit
any of them. You show you can't edit the thing about the filming the kids. Because if you were ever going to edit one thing, maybe that was
maybe as a snippet. Well,
we're leaving with a blade too late.
But don't you think it's like? Well, so then that's so you're making more videos now. For your creative business? Yep. Freelance business. Like this is it's a huge roadblock.
probably half a million views total of people. Because the thing is, once it's posted on YouTube, and especially Facebook with the algorithm months against the likes, and the comments and the shares, and someone goes are Can you just delete my little snippet you like all, I can't actually edit it. Once it's posted. I have to delete the whole thing. And then like said, once you've deleted it, you lose all the engagement, and people aren't gonna re share it and re comment and stuff. So it's, yeah, I've had a few that have really hit me hard, and it's annoying. And what do you respond to them? Are you good about it? or? Yeah, because I, my lawyer, when I first started learning about this was the same lawyer is calling Jackie I. She was awesome. And she explained to me that you're allowed to because I'm like, but they said it was fine. And she's like, you're allowed to change your mind at any time about consent and stuff like that. And apparently, the guy, you know, the famous line in fire festival where the guy went to like, our suck. Yeah, he was like, apparently he changed his mind. I was like, I can't let and they were like, Nah, that's the best part of movie and they paid him a lot more
to like, break really. And then he was doing radio interviews purely based. Yeah. Yeah, you suck somehow. So
you understand the person that wants to take it down. But the other side, if you actually push hard, they have to spend a bunch of cash to get it
through the bankers, lawyers. The one in particular was a Valentine's day one. And I was asking why you single great question. Have it for free everyone else for next. And
Miss nice MYE single get your lawyers.
So she calls the lawyers and says I want to take him down.
I said a lawyer actually got involved in one of your wallet. But
here's the thing, the lawyer was the main sponsor of my breakfast at the time. So
So banks was more of a client issue the cider and Gordon
know, the client called us and like, we met with them every fortnight and had a coffee. And we had a pretty good relationship. And they sponsored a lot of promotions. And so randomly, she calls these lawyers because she was first first in mind because advertising. And a nice, cold, awesome. And oh, by the way, this is going on. And then I just spoke to the guy. I was like, Look, you did give consent. If you really want me to take it down. I can however, it's going to be the end of the whole video. And to be honest, what you said, I understand why you might be a bit embarrassed, but it's actually really funny. What was the answer? She was like, I'm sorry, I just
I just can't have it up. I mean, like what was the answer of the it was so funny.
I she was just talking, was it?
Can we watch it online? Or is it not?
So it's Valentine's Day us YU single and she said it was something like sexual she's like no boys a good enough for me they're not and then kind of describe how she liked to what she would like in the bedroom and that no one was providing that.
She was drunk is drunk. Yeah, but
it wasn't that. Very quick. Yeah. But it wasn't that. It was just her delivery. It was so funny. Yeah. And it was it was a bit sassy in a bit like, these guys can't keep up with me. And I was la
right now. Yeah. Yeah, it was their alter ego. After six Smirnoff snow.
I started going earlier in the night because when they're too drunk, it actually isn't funny anymore. across the line. We're like, Oh, this is just they're just drunk and it's real sad. And you want to hit them when they've had two or three and just bit of confidence is a bit buzzy. She was applying for jobs like at the same time and she's like it's just applying for jobs it's not the right time for that to pop up and I was that
I get it so she went to a lawyer though before she spoke to
strange. Anything or she messaged pick
up the phone she messaged me and I didn't reply within a few hours and because I get a lot of messages and I was doing the radio show. So I got a call it 10 I am off she messaged tonight and
all the end of the day
I get that one for long. But some people just think that I guess it becomes your world you think it's it's you're you're you're living this life and you're seeing something go out of yourself. And then you think everybody's going to be thinking exactly right. But most people just watch videos and go
What's that? I'm like, it's pretty funny. And it's you I get it, but no one else really good. Yeah. And yeah, so that sort of came down and had a couple of hundred views in like, I posted the night before so it was going right. Sorry, couple hundred thousand hundred thousand one night so the next 100,000 overnight, so that's usually a good time. It'll live another couple of days and then see ya
I was watching a video of keep it cleaner that we're doing like a promotion
but a free trial for their app by the way. I really like skills.
How's it going? That one's hot.
Yeah, they're real fit.
Yeah, try to keep up with Stephen Laura. They do the videos Nila, if they go now,
that should mean the idea of the following along on iPhones and iPads. I tried to do one. It's called run wide range of motion a range of movement workout of the day. And it was like, you have to get into these positions. It's all like so you're real stretched and nimble. It was hard. Looking at at 97
What made you till spill half my German friends from WA
legit What if you've been doing CrossFit for five years? Yeah, to doing that too. Yeah. I remember when you hit that
Les Mills class the other day, you know that really stuck in the body pump and the body combat and stuff.
Les Mills invented all that. Yes,
huge fees go before everything else kind of sit positive. But I went to one the other day as part of the free trial. That might be the packages were saying off the hoodies. Anyway, the Les Mills thing. I went in there and there was no instructor It was like oh, watch the screen. It's a virtual one.
It's a nice seven.
I was like I could do this. These are the packages is what's happening. Okay, we got Phil nice. Tommy, Tommy's just going on. He says baby's gonna hurt his back. I might go.
We'll keep talking. Anyway, so I was with the kid recliner stuff. Yeah, they were doing this video. In warm words. I was watching it on YouTube. Yeah. It's essentially that we're giving out free stuff samples of their products. And they had a bunch of people that have just got up and say, Hey, do you want one? Yeah. And the funny thing was, I saw a friend like someone who hadn't seen in ages is in there. Yeah, one of his old bosses and they sort of went up and down. You want one? He's like, I don't get one. And we messaged him, and we're like, hey, do you know you're in this video? It's like, I was wondering what was going on?
And I didn't tell her No.
I thought that was interesting. Because it's like, especially at a wall words. All the thing was would have been gone
off. I always the right. One of the reasons I film in the street is because, like in theory, no one owns the street. Soon as you go into a shopping centre. Yeah, Westfield we can go Hey, man, take off. Or worse. Yeah, I wouldn't even bother. Well, I feel surely this signed off. And when we were signed off shortly, that'd be like, so here's the rules about filming the store. You need permission. You need this. I was so surprised because they had like a security person going around with them and everything. But because you would. You would think that like Woollies trying to would have to make sure that they're not going to get in trouble right?
Scared of stuff like that. Yeah, for sure.
97 how'd you go? Well sorted. Done. What did they ask any questions that
didn't even scan them just straight in the truck?
Very good. No, never say that. Again. The hoodies in a while speaking of podcast merge, I think I need to talk about the elephant in the room. I mean, you've got a sizzle town t shirts. Can you is the greatest trying podcast where you guys said when you come into the studio, make sure you wearing much of your favourite podcast wink wink. And I was like, no problem. Tony Martin,
But I was gonna ask in the podcasting world, is it like competitive from the sales? Or is it more of a rising tide lifts all boats sort of scenario?
I mean, people can only wear one top at a time.
T shirt and a jumper?
I mean, we're not I don't think we've we haven't nailed the business model of merge because we're still it's still cost us money in regards to getting them printed and doing the delivery. Do you think
Yeah, any crossover with sizzle town of audience? I don't know. I don't think so. I've never listened.
What sizzle town
to town is Tony Martin's. It's like it's very produced. It's by like a mockumentary
of it's called a late night talk a late night Colin podcast actually
is it where like he goes out of the studio. He's like going along checking what's in each studio.
Yeah, I have it's really well nice and pans production Matt isn't is a gun. And Tony is all the callers like to bring on voices and stuff. It's actually a production block. It's like a one best audio production at the podcast. Yeah, well, a lot of that's very funny. It's the opposite of us like us, where we just turn on the microphone and talk versus an extremely produced so well produced and to think in this episode, you went and answer the door. I offered to pause I said something about filming kids not wearing clothes. And you still like we refused to
get your lawyers. We just want it
doesn't work for me anymore with me anymore. So
I don't have a lawyer.
Tony Martin is someone who radio kids, you know, people that are obsessed with the actual craft the craft of the form the format are into because he's he started he pioneered a mission. And he were looking to Tony, Matt, I know. They're all like, man.
you but they started that mountain and Malloy, was it.
And he also did a was one with a cavity during the day on your plan. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah, he's awesome. So I bought some notes to support the team. What are the T shirt cost? I reckon it was
30 bucks or 40? You should not because I literally asked you before the show.
I'm curious. I literally, I want to know what I want to add. I've paid for the T shirt.
What are you going to do it just feeling? Okay. It's a good screen printed.
Yeah, that's a good show.
Is it meant to be sort of like the bits in the
sizzle sizzle. Okay, yeah. And then, about two weeks later, after I bought the T shirt. I got a big box arrived at my desk in Perth, and I opened it. And it was from Treasury wines. And it was a handwritten letter from Tony Martin saying, Hey, Ryan, thanks for being such a big fan of the podcast. Enjoy this one from Treasury ones blah, blah, blah. Know, he had his own letterhead. And it was like from the desk of Tony Martin. And then under that said, This guy thinks he's so great. He's even got his own letterhead.
That's my Have you seen our letters? envelope? Yeah, we do. Can you
all right, I don't know if I'm getting too far ahead of myself. But you guys have all these cool stuff. And I've never received any of it. I didn't
even have an address in Melbourne. Like I
just need to get
So we've got the daily live. And then we've got like the on the back. It says the P o box and everything returning to gronk. All right. Let me set you guys straight. Okay. This is unbelievable, right? Okay. They know those people, they have great ideas and they don't do them. And it's like, it's not your idea to actually do it. I don't give a fuck the envelope is until you send me something in the park.
In the draw, I put my address on it. We did.
We only got it yesterday. And the hilarious thing about it is the hilarious thing about it is the printer I was trying to push on print wasn't pushing on price. I said hey, I want 500 envelopes and 500 cards. What do you what do you recommend cost for 500 envelopes and 500 cards of the same size single, single printed one side one side? And then just these envelopes? 500 of each How much? I'd say a touch under 500 something 50 cents per piece. 1000 bucks.
They're kidding themselves.
Yeah, absolutely kidding themselves.
And so the thing is, they got us at a desperate time because I was determined to have this stuff for the hoodies to go out which have just gone out and it's all happening. It's all was taken away before And so anyway, I was like, okay, budget was 500 bucks. Yep. Which I think is a good
And so he's like, okay, the best we can do is like 50 150 bucks plus USA. It's like, how about if we got 200 pieces of each? Yep, he said okay, we could do it for 580 plus GST. This is very inside baseball. Is this okay? Not a
fun storey. So
anybody needs to work on this. Now this is is a done deal. Because it's all about speed. The thing is if we if we had time, you can go on the internet and do this stuff really quickly. Anyway, so we negotiated for 200 FH at 590 but the great thing is they would we only put the order in the day before yesterday and they arrived yesterday so very quick. Super quick super quick turnaround. The only thing is we get them and the cards they've left the bleed line the red market on the cards Oh you know what this is great about this one they will obviously need to remake well
I should say Josh his face
I know we just had
and I didn't want to say I was like all right I'm not gonna it's like pointing out what you back up Yeah,
but what Tommy says he
knows that I need to address dress it
isn't a piece of work you know this time needing to be spent it's problem solving and it didn't you didn't want to have to solve that before
you knew that because whenever Tommy says so what do you think it
says I was just looking at the card he goes quiet us
well here's the good thing right so you go back and you say maybe this isn't good enough get me what I want and then they give you 200 of those then you got 200 of like the spear not quite right on the spot and then when you get people who are a bit European a bit demanding like me send me the ship is spot on.
That's exactly what's happening. What do you guys have many meetings? Ah Dang, I'm just about to send this guy thing is he a proper one? Oh,
can we give this one if you get the OG the OG Red Line Yeah, so that's exactly what happened I emailed them and I was actually really nice to them because I thought like they were being there was squeezing so much when it came to like price and being like no it's gonna be this and how annoying for them to now have to print another 200 thought about that before exactly and they also had to Korea them talk cuz I'm my same day same day. And so yes, we got the cards fixed. I've got a new game right What is this? Of all the guests you've had on the show? We each three of us need to name one person who would be on the show at red stripe god Tommy we'll start with a white should we sign in the count of three. Okay, I'm ready to go. Okay, you can't stand
Did you say I said Charlie Clawson.
Yes. Oh hey does
a champion but only because Pete would forgive us?
Hey, Charlie's his fellow podcaster who understand he MFD of Allah because if we said the who made the minimalist documentary? Yeah. And we said to him, anyway. minimalist season Okay, we shit. Yeah. But from our point of view, we go hey, these didn't quite work and we're going to throw them out and instead of putting them into junk, we thought we'd minimise them. Yeah. Well, I think storey I'm sticking
any creative understands anyone who's had to deal with this shit. Yeah, printing is high chance of fuck up.
Speaking of fuck ups, and dollars, what have you done? No, this is a man. This is a general question for today with quitting your job fellow small. Yeah. What's the longest you've had to wait for an invoice to get paid? And is this a legit? Yeah.
Well, in the office yesterday that was saying that he got an email from a guy that he sent the invoice to? Yep. And the guy said, your numbers are fact.
Meaning like your best being account No,
no as in like a it'd be like me sending you an invoice saying pay me and you sending any email back to me saying are your numbers of fact, meaning that I'm paying? Ah, and so like it, but I haven't had that feeling. So we've been through all of that. I haven't had many.
What about the guy? I had the one where I did something for a company. Oh, no, they didn't organise, like they'll being el cheapo. And so I did it below my normal day, right? And it wasn't going to take like a whole day. So I was like, okay, but the thing is that they were being so tight that like, we just want you to film it and just like, basically give it to us. We don't need you involved in like, working out the talent or doing the questions will be there asking the questions. We just need you to film it. Okay. And so I filmed it. And it was with this wacky doctor, sort of like a celebrity doctor. Yeah. And he was just it was a medical product. And he was just making up storeys about like us real quick is like Dr. Nick. Just like that was IK like, you know, tell a storey about the whole thing inside this thing happened. And then and I said, Oh, have you tried this? And then they tried it and all that. But there were like he was just bullshitting. And then so the person would tell me like, oh, how about a doc, we just try one that we were spoke about previously. Blah, blah, blah. That's real.
Just do the real stuff or whatever. Only one that actually happened. Yeah.
Just loved the theatre of it. You just love like I yeah, someone bumped into me and said, If you got something for this coffee's like, Oh, yeah, I just said Take this. The next day I see him and he's like, coughs gone. Dark. Didn't happen. Anyway. So film it. Oh, this is fucking rubbish. But I filmed it, and then gave them the Edit. And sure enough, they're like, Oh, this is rubbish. And I was like, I sent them the invoice. Yeah. No, like, Oh, that's not good as I was like, yeah, you fucked up. Yeah, the camera guy. Anyway, they're like, oh, let me know.
100%. And so I
like I like we're not paying the full amount. And then so I was just like, well, I just said, I'm writing it off. Again. I'm writing off the whole was like 1100 bucks. Why wiped it off said, Don't worry about paying. But I'm never working with you again. It's nice to deliver that. The feel good time.
Yeah, it feels. I is
there an amount that you put up with that shoot for?
What do you mean?
For instance, I had an invoice. I did a job for someone in November. And it was a five figure. Yes. Over 10 grand job. I did it in December, delivered it in February and kind of signed off and fed and didn't get paid to the following December.
What's a different financial year?
Yeah, it's crazy. And but I was like, if this was for 10 grand, and for me, I'm like all I'm not going to turn my nose at 10 grand. Yeah, but then I'm like, 12 months ago.
I mean, this is what I think we've gotten really good at and 50% up front. I've started that. Yeah, if they don't give 50% up front 100% on delivery. So prior to getting the actual files, they have to do it, which is great. Because it's normally it's always works out that the people who are a bit fast with paying also need the thing right now. So
it's worth it organised. People are unorganised.
I think a good definition is between the so internally we're saying 50% up front. The alternative, the alternative wording for that is a deposit. Yeah. And like Josh said to me, the other week, which I was saying about sending something to a client also asked for 50% up front, he said no asked for the deposit. Because when you go into a store, or we're primed around the word deposit that I can't stay at this hotel unless I put my deposit down. Yeah. So why should that be any different for us? So deposit, using that as a key word we need deposit before we we start this project. And
so some of the thing the other thing that's been handy is turning on credit card payments. Yeah, giving that as an option. So for instance, if bed said, fuck, if it had been over by safe 30 day terms or whatever, and it's been 40 days, I probably email them say, Hey, guys, we can turn on credit card facilities, it's about 2% or whatever. And then I can just reissue the invoice with that fee and impact that way if that's going to be easier for you. Is it worth it? Is it worth the 2% for the lack of hassle because I've had that option and I've gone or 2% but you pass it on to them are you say I'm going to reissue the invoice and that that works a trade I know that I've had back in the day like a few years ago I definitely got work based on people just like loving charging their IMAX
I definitely get the points
to this is why come and do this. So the other
dr deposit with it g zero MYOB fresh books, fresh book, whatever. Just connected.
I've got the option now just can click it on
interesting one maybe since you've done your accounting degree, yep. When you go to do your tax return, the honours became more time.
Hi hex debt gives you the opportunity to 10 years light and drop it into podcast.
But when so stripe and Shopify, yeah. What's interesting is when you go on to my gov to do your tax return. Yeah. So if you're you've got an idea, and it will show up the amount will show up the figure that you've earned through Shopify, because they're declaring it to the text department now. So Amy, this is a quick little quick little storey. I mean, I mean, he was doing a tax return. It was like why am I not getting anything back? And it was spinning out this figure and I'm like, no, that's not right. Your taxable incomes? Why, you know, like spread like seven grand or eight grand or whatever it is. Died fucked it. The what they declared what Shopify or snow sorry, what stripe and declared the ATO was a digit off. And so it was like 11 grand, not 110. Yeah, the decimal point was in the wrong spot. And so she had to find them, and they declared it and so anyways 1100 decimal point, which decimal point was not a dude. It was 11 grand. So
it was like, whatever 11 was, should have been 1100 110.
Yeah, maybe they moved it to points down. Whatever it was $11,000 is what they'd
be 110 is
going to be 100. That's gonna make an impact on your taxes. Yeah, it
was ridiculous. Anyway, thanks for getting us bogged down. But another thing that we do, there's three things that a client has to fit into. Yeah, and I don't think this can be done from the very beginning. Maybe but Josh, and I've been through this pain or before, yeah, so there's like, cut the amount that you're going to earn from the job. The client, and the creative. Was that three?
Yeah, it's a Chase Jarvis talks about it a bunch the photographer, it's like, you gotta you gotta take two of the three boxes, good people. well paid break creative. So you know, two of them. So we could deal with some good people. And it pays Well, yeah, but it's annoying. Creative. Like it's not that creative. Yeah, you could deal with it. Good people, and really fun, creative, but the cash isn't isn't necessarily that good.
So we put podcasting into that category.
And so this is where you you think that you're leaving too much on the table start
Doesn't matter. It's not much money. The average people I need to get runs on the board. Yeah. She created
the other thing. He's another. What was the original question the bring up your Evernote? What were the questions that you had for us?
The longest you paid to get an invoice. What
was the longer to two grand still hasn't been paid out longer? Two years ago, the business went under no, three years ago, this
is not a similar business. Yeah, the business
went through a friend. And then that friend was being paying me through this construct of piecemeal survey.
When do you start charging? Because this is so good. This is what's included, usually in my process, right. And this isn't me not knowing what I'm doing. I'll meet with them for a coffee or a beer and just like a meet up in a chat, then I'll kind of go away and kind of go Oh, thanks for meeting up here. From what we chatted about, here's a couple of ideas. Let me know if we want to get serious and we'll start actually nodding some of these ideas there. And then if they go, yes, then you start getting the ideas out. And so you still haven't started but you've already had three meetings. Right? So it depends where you are in the process of your career. Yeah, I feel like for us, we have evolved into being better charging for pre production. You know, for the first 10 years of my career, pre production was this thing that I was like, I, I just like, I'll work out the logistics and stuff, but you only pay me when I'm like filming. So for instance, it's like save your paint playing in the sub, the $5,000 mark, it's like, okay, you get a day's worth of felt like say, if you're charging 20 $500 for die for filming, or 1500 bucks, or whatever it is. And then you've got a couple of post production days at $800. Then it's like, okay, that's what it costs, however, especially when you think about like, what you gotta ask What business? Are you specifically in? Yeah. And so my perspective of what you're doing is, so much of the power of is in the creative, and it's in the ideas that's coming up with great, I like concepts. And so if that's the case, if that is part of your point of difference, and if that is part of the service that you're offering, you need to be charging for that. Yeah, because that's where I've got to run around, because I make two kinds of videos. And they're both charged for the video. They're not charged for
the half a day writing ideas and the half a day of this. And speaking of that, and buying the little bits and pieces
had it is you're at the point where you're using your skill to land the job. For Yeah, so you going I'm actually you leading with the ideas to then have that be the reason why the juicy, but the pitch, which is
the million dollar question is, how do you get the job without even showing all of your ideas to start with? Yeah, and other people have said, what happens if they go on and then three months later, something pops up pops up on Instagram, and you're like, a fucking half
the ideas? I mean, yeah, but I think them to do them is a different thing.
But I think there really is in regards to actually making more money. There's only so much padding that you can put into a production or post production. Yeah, charging for print reproduction just makes business sense. Because you could make if that takes a safe, that's 20% of the project, you can charge 20% more. And so it's just giving you this. Like I think it It increases the barrier to entry. In some ways. I've heard one guy know, who's sort of a finance dude, he would say, I will do a specialises in like helping businesses with with their books and things like that. And he would say, if you want to meet with me, I'll have a look at your books. It costs 150 bucks. So it's a pretty low barrier to entry. That hundred and 50 bucks I donate to this charity. And it's just a great way of onboarding people. Yeah. They're not fucking tire kickers, because they're actually having to give some form of cash. Yep. And then it also does the beautiful thing of 150 bucks, part of the mindset or status that you're playing in is it's like, charging 100 50 bucks seems a bit silly or petty in the grand scheme of a $10,000 job. Yeah. And so that seems like a little bit low status, even charging an hourly rate is low status, because then all of a sudden, they can start deconstructing, and saying, Okay, how many hours? You don't want to get to a point with like, our did you do one less hour? Yeah. But I think that that's a great way around it, which is saying, am I giving that to charity, I had this idea sort of similar in that we made up and I bring some ideas with me. And that costs you? hundred bucks. 200 bucks. And then if you go through with it, then that gets? Yeah, but I like the charity, but I also like keeping the money.
Yeah, but I think the the charity, one will be easier to get people that aren't even sold on you. Yeah. Because if you still gonna be primed to spend 200 bucks with a person that you've like, yeah, if because if you don't go anywhere, you've dropped a
lot of maybe that could be something that you can incorporate into a stripe thing like a credit card. Like, really make it easy for that to happen. And then you can also absorb the fee before it goes to the charity. So it's not like it's costing you money. Yeah. So it's like, okay, the charity rather than getting
$200 they get $196 or whatever.
Yeah, the workshop thing. Like for us, we've done mini pre prod sessions, where they come in to our office for a day. And we're spending that time with the idea that there will be a production day and editing required, but it's to work out. So it's an experience for them too. And so yeah, these things aren't tangible. The ideas are not tangible. They're written on a piece of paper, they're in an email, would you consider me turning up for coffee with a page of ideas to your business and experience? Well, if I didn't know that, like, if you know, my child,
that's why I think that
I might prime Why am I am I ready to buy like, Am I ready to spend $5,000 cash? Like, I think you can get a coffee with someone quite easily. Yeah, have a actually a person willing to spend a bunch of cash? Maybe, maybe not. And most of the time, just randomly having a coffee with someone to convert that into a whole bunch of cash is probably pretty low, unless you have an idea, a sense of what business they're in
a few weeks ago, and that worked out
I went to a vineyard once a winery, I filmed a bunch of stuff. And I was like I love this distillery wasn't a no one actually knows. I am a cider cider plant owner you know,
its website side is what is it?
sada is Apple so that's an orchard?
orchard. Yeah, they're headed anyway, I made a whole bunch of videos, it was Amy and I, our favourite cider. And I had my camera with me my great, my good camera, and I did all this great footage. And
then the hotel sort of mad, I've got my good camera, we've got me doing
that. But my point is I ended up making a whole bunch of money, a whole bunch of videos and charged a bunch of money for that time spent. But that was the reverse. I did I made the videos for and shouting and then said, What do you reckon? Do you have, like you said didn't pay off? I wouldn't be mentioning it. But I
if you don't have a real if you don't have that, like so the thing is, it's like, Okay, why they trusting you? I think one of the other things, which is really helpful is on stuff that's probably over 15 or 20 grand will use. I could add might with my last business, I paid a law firm to like write up a contract like a video production agreement. And that is super helpful. Because it's like another way of describing is a statement of work, which is like, a few pages. Yeah, it could literally even be like two pages. And it says this is the output. These are the days that it's all happening. Here are the key messages that we're trying to get across. And that level of sort of tangibility, or you know, giving them a tangible thing allows you to be able to charge I reckon yet 20%. Founder magazine, you guys know found Yeah, yeah. You guys should have nice And oh, by the way, yeah, he's got Yeah. So they've actually got a bunch of these templates that are like, if you're creative, and startup, and you can afford a lawyer, here's a template that you can always fill out. So it's like a DIY little contract. And that he's like, it saves people so much hassle later. So good. There's a open source, what's it called? Nice, the one that I always talk about the recently open legal or something. It's like a open source database of all different types of legal law, open law.
Right? So what are the stages, right? This going from not having business not being a freelancer to starting that charging some money? And then there's the next step? Which is, how do I charge more money? What's the premium? Or what's the greatest service? Because I think when you're charging more, you've got to be having something that's more of an experience, or
it's a branding exercise part of it to the reason why I think the doc like having the template is good, is because if we've learned anything thing, it's it's all about having more balls in the air. It's about like, you can't, the when I'm the least happy within my business, it was always when I only had, I was always relying on that one person to say yes, like you have that one meeting on a Tuesday. And you really and then you know, you come home from work and brace like how's the day, it's like, oh, hopefully they get through, that should never be the case, there should be always like, ah, conversations in the go. And the only way that you can do that in a way that's effective. And that's professional is having some form of template where it's like after the conversation, within 15 minutes, you can create something that you can send. Yeah, and this is me giving me my own advice, because we're still dialling it in, right? Like we don't necessarily,
and I think you're gonna have these fuck ups and experiences with bad clients. And because it makes you really know who you want to work with who you don't or how you approach it next time it builds conference, it does all of that. Yeah, that's it's a, it's a journey. It's full on. But
there's some companies that have video production agreement, like getting them to sign a contract actually means that the project won't happen. Like, you've got to be willing to realise that they'll go on
to intense moments to if
you're dealing with this big media company song song on the dotted line and get nothing
well imagine this. Imagine you're a
cool event coordinator that's got 15 grand budget for to do some videos around an event. And you're, you're working in a big company, getting someone to sign shit. It's fucking hard work. And so then all of a sudden, they're like, our last time when we did this video thing, they just did it and it was all fine. And then you're like, Oh, you know what they're in, like their fortune 500 company? I think they're good for it. If we got an email from them. That's good enough. Yep. So I think it's about having the system but also be willing to be flexible as well. And
also, I think, early days, you want to get things across line. So that's your goal, right? yet, please, please land this, please pay this, please. You know, except my quote. Also, the warning signs on the other side of that is, if they're wishy washy about the details of it, but are willing to engage in it, there's a high chance of it becoming a headache. Yep. So if they're not willing to identify, oh, there's so many so many times I took on projects where I didn't, there was no clear, specific outcome, they then throw things into it, it then blows out and the budget is, is just so small to what it should have been just even pay the bill.
I heard Pete Shepard say something the other day on our walk, you said, clear is kind. And I think that's fine. being clear in all of our communication. So be clear on Okay, what is what does success look like for this project? Like that's it like when we have meetings? It's like, what is even Ziegler who's Seth Godin,
one of the greats,
you know, he was one asset, so he's got a yes, gardens out.
I was listening to one of zigs, early books, and he talks about how to be a good salesperson, you need to find out what the objections are from the people themselves. So rather than like trying to, like, sell yourself in, you need to be like, asking them questions. So then they say, I'm not sure about this, or this. These are their concerns, or this is what I want. And then you can actually, you've been handed on a platter exactly what the problem is. So you go back to that same personal, it's more next time you go, Well, you might be concerned about this. But we've gotten this and blah, blah, blah. I think it's happening in real time. I think part of it is it's like, for us anyway, it's more about asking questions to work out how we can help, rather than pitching. And that comes from the beauty of having done it for a long time. Yeah, I understand the pain. Because everyone, we've all been there where it's like, your first client, your first client is always gonna be the hardest client because they're banking. They don't if if we have those boxes, where it's like, good people, good money, good, creative. They've got their own set of boxes. Yes. Probably like are they don't do good work. There is a fair price. fair price. You know, they're, they're good people. And so at the start, you don't have the good crowd, you can show them that you do good work. Yeah. And so they're not taking that box. And so at the start, you actually can't be the most fucking expensive that's around because you've got no examples. So you need to either say, I'm going to do this for for a better price. Or, you know, like, I think there's that level of flexibility in it and stuff. I got a question. Final question on my list, by the way. So it's September tomorrow. And me birthday is coming up to your birthday? Yes.
Yeah. She mentioned that more often.
Did you know about shepherd and I used to work back in China.
One of the greatest breakfast shows to ever graced the land. But
there's a job going at the moment
in German know,
Mildred euro, Hamilton,
Hamilton with a mix and as radio.
Hamilton's like, Victoria,
as North of warble. Yeah, it's very, very fraught out there. Could we maybe do a stint? Which network it's with ice.
Okay, well, great people and
driving distance from Bridget swannery Okay,
you're thinking, wow,
I am. I should not get it
my evading radio for about 45 years. What's
your knowledge in
agreement with this? Yeah, I don't recognise many competitors in Hamilton. I don't think they'll turn a blind eye for
You can't work it out. You're not switched over other stuff. But if
you do say you don't have a lawyer anymore. Maybe you need one
is actually remember her? She She was the lawyer for the whole RN.
Yeah, I'll get out of many a pickle. Thank you, Sarah.
Wonder if she's related to my cousin, the tins Lee's Sarah Tinsley look it up. I mean, how is he gonna look, I should just ask my uncle. Mo.
So it's hot. It's September, which means the high school exams coming up soon.
The High School, like all girls
isn't exempt in October. But something's coming up. People are starting to study in doing fun stuff. And I always felt when I was in high school, there was this. And this is teachers because I don't know much about the world. And so when they grow up in a school, then they go to a university and other education institutions, and they go back to school, you don't know about anything else. Anyway. So they there are some paid a shepherd he's both his parents teach this world travel a lot. Actually, my mom is was a teacher, my, all my family teaches. So you can say it, you know, but I actually didn't like the teachers of my school there or my family's greatly. But anyway, they kind of
described though there's kind of
this vibe that like, oh, if you don't do well, in your exams, you won't get into the course you want to the course you want, then you won't be able to do what you want for your career. And I remember in 2003, saying, I believe it or not, I was a bit of a smartass. And so in 2003, I said, the job I want to do in the future doesn't exist yet. Did you say that to
one of my teachers? That's great. Something Josh would have said. Yeah. I don't
know what I ran.
Yeah. But I don't know if I
definitely had the Steve Jobs turtleneck on Yeah,
but I don't know if I fully believed it. But I love the line. Yeah. And I just thought was a killer line. And now in 2019, as we seek he, you know, podcast studio.
Is that righteous? And what do you do I make original and branded podcast and social content, what the fuck of those things. It's such a it's so true. So I was wondering if you guys were like giving a little talk at a school, and people were freaking out about because my whole thing is like, hey, do your best, but just know that you can still good or bad or don't even do them. The world oyster but what would you kind of say to those kids knowing that you've actually created your own careers and not rely on?
The thing is you can't give advice about shit that you actually it's like futurists talking about the future. They don't actually know. They're just using an educated guess. But then. So for us. I mean, you're saying you're a futurist. No, I'm saying I'm not a futurist. And I don't want to give advice for kids. And be a little
advice for the future. But advice to them. Now. I'm happy to when they went into the university class with futurists, and it was fucking way. Because I always
looking at the calendar was
what what are they? So you do university? So when I did honours, I had to
could you write a thesis and one of the subjects is literally just called research methods. So just teaches you how to write a thesis how to Google Yeah, Google. And basically, there are a lot of people like me doing the thesis, and there was a group of who were going to write their thesis on future studies. And we're all in the same class together. And I just a few of them were great, but most of them were, you can imagine them doing it purely so they could swell. They read one to say, I'm a futurist. Yeah. And like, what are you doing that? And they're like, Oh, just, we got to look ahead, Mike. Yeah, but like, what does that like? Everyone's looking at? Like, what does that mean? Oh, yeah, futurist.
They're not usually on the front line. They're off to the side looking towards where the field is.
I think we need like an academia all that sort of shit. Like, you know, you're planning Christmas Day,
you don't go I'm a futurist you just planning Christmas?
Yeah, it's very, it's very meta reason I would you say? What would I say? I mean, going to your point, I feel like in my mind, when I was a kid, I was always like, if everything doesn't work out, like I'll go to, this is no joke. JMC Academy, I remember last year, or Yeah, I just remember that it was always like, I remember going and visiting, and they'll sort of one of those, like, pay your way in, like, get into a bit of debt and just back it back around and use all that they had avid, I remember getting excited about that.
I think it's I mean, the shoot this basic, simple piece of advice is be ready. And so it's like, what what does that look like? It's position yourself in a in a place where when something shifts or something picks up, like you look at these platforms, these tech platforms, like the coaches that were just into it back then, and making a lot of money. Now, it was just what they were into that and so it's like, I mean, preparing to be a coder right now is probably not the number one thing to do. But having a
system that is bad, I recommend saying I want to do code, because that's what the future is. About yet that advice is as good as my parents want me to be a doctor, because doctors are
great. Building Code is a thing that you shouldn't do something, there's a few things. It's like having a variety of creative skills that could be adapted into the thing that comes to fruition.
I think part of it, too, is like what are you actually good at? What is your competitive advantage? What makes you different to everyone else? I think that that's probably a good place to start. Because then if you answer that, if you start with what are you good at, and you focus on that. And then because the idea of just working for yourself at the start because I freelanced when I was 14, and I was the host of it. And so the but I can see how, just like a young golfer learning to play golf, you learn bad habits. Yeah. And that continues on, there is something I see people who have only had those experiences where they just freelance, and that's all that I ever done. And then not necessarily completely whole, just like somebody who's an employee, their whole life isn't completely whole like this, we need to have a diverse range of experiences. So my thing is, it's not necessarily never work for someone else, or always work for yourself, I think you just need to be around other people have other experiences. I think having ship bosses helps, I think you need to, like from the from 18 to 25. Like there's heaps of time there. You can have three jobs during that time. Yeah. And they can all teach you something. I think having a ship boss, or something in general, you always learn more by observing what I don't want to be long, then someone go Yeah, when you have a bad experience, you know what the opposite is, I was lady if I was leading a team. And having observed this, I would never allow that to be a thing or have a culture like that, or I think you learn more from the bad stuff. So true. And I think that if you the probably popular conversation or popular thought is go out, do it on your own being an entrepreneur. And I think that if we look at the technology industry, or we look at anywhere where it's sort of the hot place to be right now, having the diversity having the different thoughts. So thinking about, okay, what are young people all doing right now? And how can I actually be the, in the 5% that do the other good bit. So for instance, I'd be saying, okay, people aren't picking, like young people aren't fucking spending time on the phone. So I'm actually going to make phone calls, I'm going to do all of the things that have been lost based on the technology stuff, but at the same time, get into those new things as well. I feel like that's
something you're also around committing to a creative project that doesn't have a real outcome. So it could be every Saturday and Sunday, or even every day you're doing something. And that's the learning from this podcast is Yeah, what could they do? That is building consistency, commitment, and they just show up, because you can actually just win by just showing up when everyone else doesn't.
Is that the motto of the daily talk show? Who else is doing seven days a week? bringing to the table? I don't know. The Pro busy doing podcast? Yeah.
To be honest, I've been too busy.
In a way. Yeah, seriously.
I mean, it is interesting. I think that like the self help stuff for things like the four hour workweek and concert people on this wrong path, I was talking to a young person the other day, and they were saying, talking about passive income. Yes, like passive income is built on this notion that you can just have cash coming in without doing any fucking work. Yeah. And so I think that that idea, as a starting point, is a really flawed concept. And probably just enjoy the process, find something that you do like doing and then based on that, you can be okay, if you don't make cash straight away. You're not going to be fucking because you're enjoying it. Yeah. Well, you actually mentioned something previously, that's in the four hour workweek that you just dissed. So, you know, like, what, what, what can I do the opposite of what can I do differently? Yeah. So Tim Ferriss, author of the four hour workweek, he used to work in sales, and snake oil. That
was actually it was it was doing all the supplements?
Yeah, it was it was before I think was before that. It was working for someone. It's like it programmes or something. Yeah. But anyway, he said that when he emailed between nine and five, to the, you know, Chief Technology Officer, the one celebrate computer programme to, you know, it would go to the middle. Yeah, he said, the the PH and assistance aren't at work before 9am. Well, after 5pm. And he said, and figured out if I call them between seven and nine in the morning, or five and seven at night, it goes straight through to them. They'll be there. They pay I won't be. And so he was like, What can I do the opposite of? And so he called them and he's like, that's how I got all my work. Yeah. Well, it's like you're working out what are people not willing to do? Yeah,
they weren't willing to call and people weren't willing to get up early or stay later. And he just and he said he did nothing during the day, like you'd go to the gym and hang out, because right now, all the middlemen are in the way.
Yeah, I think it's Yeah, it's interesting. It's about
I'll be calling you guys at 10 o'clock tonight. Fucking not.
Obviously, obviously. Is there any? Because he could say the same thing about do the opposite to how you feel about something? So it could be what like for you? What's a barrier in your mind around the work stuff at the moment? Like what's a limiting belief? A limiting belief, template, lavington belief I have had is I like technical ability. And that's why I've actually gone and done a short course has done I actually learned but then be convinced myself that I don't need to think that that's
a weakness. I have no strength yet at all. But it's also like, I'm bridging that gap.
Yeah, I guess that's a good one. I mean, you need the technical skills at some point to do what you doing. The
one I knew how to know how to use frame. Yeah, because I've got confidence. Yeah.
I mean, I had that.
belabour when you have the magnetic timeline, it's amazing how far confidence
but it's probably like, I had this factor belief on soon as like a winter. I won't be I won't get as much work because it's winter in this, you know, it's raining in this,
but so the opposite can be also
true, very true. Well, I found I get a lot of not a lot of the like some of my money from what you'd almost categorises like influence a top work. And I've always got a blue tick, tick.
But I've always been big. When I said big deal and sound like a big deal. As in being sarcastic know, you'd have a blue tick if you're off. Yeah.
That won't work. You can't change the name. So it has to be Ryan, john.
Now I can change it.
A deposit first for that fun.
A limiting belief. I had something and then I totally forgot what it was. Oh, yeah, the influence of stuff is that I don't fall into like, I have this thing in my mind. That's like influences or Eyring, verticals and categories. And I'm not a fitness guy, a beauty guy. I'm not a travel guy. I think we've talked about this before. I'm not a clear, whatever. And I'm like all it's hard to get work. So I'm not in the niches. And that's where a lot of like the good coin is and stuff. And then other people like agencies like now that's good. That means you can branch out and do a bunch of different stuff that's actually a positive that you can make stuff. That's broad. And I was like, ah,
exactly, I mean, the colon and to me, these two la based filmmakers in one of their videos are talking about that. It's harder being in GO. And Josh and I've had the complete opposite conversation, which is it's easier being a Jew. Oh, yeah.
Who's right? We can literally like who's right. I think the thing is, if you just place whatever position you're in, that's the best place you can be right now. Yeah. And just go forward with that was probably the the best scenario that you can hope for. Yep. I mean, what's the other option? The other option is saying, I can't do this because I've I've only got the 2014 laptop and I need this one or that one. It's just like, the other thing is, there are people with way less resources. There's people with way less knowledge who are doing way better than all of us. Exactly. Yep. Yeah, it's so annoying for me the alternative The alternative is going back to pitcher partners the accounting firm and asking for my job back. Maybe we should do a joke video April Fools.
We should direct referrals to them.
What joke's on you. You have to take me back. You promised you would when I left in 2008 they actually said just call us whenever you want to jump back. It's waiting for you.
It was at like 10 years ago, whatever it was. Seven years ago. Yeah. Okay. You should just at least say
they won't work there. They would have moved on or off was I called HR go Hey, my name is Ryan. 70 years ago, you said if I ever needed my job back just to call you and I'd be waiting for me. What time do I get in tomorrow? Yeah, I like that. It's a good video guy. Let's do it. Yeah. The film that I brought
to you by your partner so then just get into how you are in the accounting
world though. Peter Pan is one of the great employers really I will say that that was fantastic where they realised they just a brand new building opened at the end of Flinders Street lock down towards the Docklands in that nice little sign Hampton.
You started last week didn't you? instal it started last week with
the ADA, what am I doing here?
Non compete will if FCA will allow me to work in the county?
I'm sure yeah, sure. I mean, you here right now my the biggest media company there is in Melbourne at least Yeah, it's a daily talk show Ryan john, thank you for coming on the show. Thanks for having we should definitely get you back on again the coming coming days of learning I just coming here with questions I need to answer you guys will record it right. That's good fun. And we want to find out Did you find out the the cost of rotation the 3535 WU got yet delivered to Perth. 35 No, I think I think shipping was additional. Well, what did you charge for the jumpers 60 delivered? Will do 75
will do t shirts for 30
just if you're gonna have to cut them and be quiet. Just go 3495 Okay, we'll do that. And it should be 35 till the daily The Daily Show t shirts cheaper than sizzle. If you say the daily show one more time.
If you hashtag The Daily Show again. But
I tell you why. It's because in the camera, my head's covering up the word talk.
Is that really your initiative? It's also the advice I give the young people exactly.
All the data that's what
it is the daily talk show hide the daily talk show.com is the email address. If you're a freelancer, help me send us an email. What are you working on? What you're struggling with? Yeah. Send us send us an email there. Also, Instagram take a screen grab. If you're in your car, take a photo if you're on a beach take a photo share it tag the daily talk show tag mine john as
well. If you're also if you want have coffee last
that'll cost you 100 bucks and if you don't do any of the taking of the photos I got no GoPros There you go.
There you go. Listen to this episode, follow me on Instagram and I'll do a follow up on the kids filming hidden camera stuff. What does that mean?
That's just like
I will say Sunday for weekend banter with TJ his dad
my birthday and Father's Day. See you tomorrow. Bye