#574 – Simon Taylor On Testing & Listening/
- January 11, 2020
Simon Taylor is back for Weekend Banter! We chat about testing and working comedy sets, feedback, the importance of listening, and we role-play some Dungeons & Dragons.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Melbourne vs NYC comedy scene
– Simon’s comedy setlist
– Key Person of Influence
– Comedy and burning bridges
– Simon’s relationship with feedback
– The importance of listening
– Dungeons & Dragons
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The Daily Talk Show Episode 574 am I sama? tyla? Back in the building? The
stage is 574 Yeah, yes, it's an anniversary number. It's a real thing with numbers. I feel like as you as you start getting through them, I don't pick up on it, but it's a very common thing for guests to bring up the number. This is Episode 666.
Yeah, maybe we should do something special. What's people's usual aversion to that? It's just like the devil is that number? Yes. Just biblical. What's the number in the hotel that they remove level? 13 level 13 that's nothing to do with that. That's just bad luck, I guess. Yeah, it's so funny that they people really put a lot of weight on them. If you have 666 you should at least all dress up as the devil. Yeah, the Grim Reaper so grim. Yeah. Simon, when do you think people should stop saying Happy New Year
Never I think we should just do it.
Well, it's like you know, there's that first week back at work for two weeks.
Yeah, if you did it in July maybe you're talking about the financial you real dork. Imagine barefoot gets around it. Happy New Year.
Have you had barefoot investor on the show? No, not yet. But he's been in the studio. He's working on a foxtel documentary. And also he wasn't widely viewed. So, you
know, we did a bunch of he's a client of ours. So we've he's coming on the show at some point, but right. And so he loved the bucket system. Yeah. And so he actually he brought in a bucket. We were doing some filming multirow three, and it's a real truck if it's one bucket. Yeah, that's how I used to do my finance. Yeah, but the
it was an issue with continuity having so many buckets because he'd put the bucket on the desk. And then the director would say, can you remove the bucket just because we need to get a clean shot? Yeah. So we'll get a feature in that account. I mean, I think I'm going to get the key I think you definitely will because Tommy basically i a series of videos for people in school, like kids in schools. And so he created the produce the videos for that it gets shown to the kids before the class, it was six videos, did you learn much about finance in school? Nothing. And it took me ages to
I guess I was forced to do it because I was self employed. It was doing like, you know, entertainment. And so you know, waiting for corporate gigs, understanding. I understood cash flow because I didn't have anything to eat.
I need money. Now. The brain is the solution. I also feel that problem. Yeah, exactly. It's just it loads
How to use you know, a spreadsheet. Well I learned like so I learned Excel and stuff at school, and then actually lost because I didn't really have it. It's the reason I found right. But I just I, yeah, Excel is a lifesaver if you can get like automate things on Excel. Yeah, it's just, it's the best and so whenever I have
comedians say y'all have any advice and like, learn Excel, like now about like, my stand up, I'm like, it's not important. Yeah.
That's right. Learn how to budget learn how to know that. I'm not making any money this month. You know, how long can I survive without money? So I, I knew I lived in New York for what, eight months, whatever. And I knew exactly how much money to spend per day, if I wanted to survive New York without having to get any other work. So if I knew if I don't pick up any gigs in the next eight months, I can survive until this day spending this much money and that is my world.
Dealing with what people freak out about is when comedy and entertainment like, dude, how do you how do you like leave not knowing where your next paycheck is excels working at? Do you think that for you, that system actually motivates you to get the work? The other system is done. Think about it and just fucking hope that money comes in. Yeah, that's painful. But really
knowing the safety of I know, eight months I can last here. Are you going as hard or does it do does it motivate you?
Um, yeah. So it'll, it'll change the priority at the projects. So if I'm struggling, then I'm like, or if I know I'm going to struggle soon. I'm like, right? I need to focus on getting some corporate gig and some club gigs and selling much and like really pushing things that aren't that enjoyable.
And bought will get money on the table. If I know I've got like six months and when I'm like, right, maybe run a new show.
Maybe I'll work on like a you know, a sketch, you know, web sketch or something. So I can do it in that time because I know that the money's not yet not needed so it will change my priority of project. What What did you spend your money on in New York? Where did it all go? rent?
Bought a bike? Get around? And then yeah, like food and then I guess doing like, things you can only do in New York the museum's there.
So Spider Man in New York that was the best city to see.
Food Yeah, food costs dollar pizza. Is that Mike? That was my favourite thing. Yes. Who I am dollar pizza. Because doesn't the pizza doesn't matter. It's the hot sauce that you put on it. And especially to I am meant to be in bed. Yeah, exactly. It's the best. What was your schedule as a comedian living in New York? Because I hear about people doing six shows a night and
yeah, there's I think it's better Melvin because it's too flooded in you
What the problem with New York, New York comedy at the moment is entry level is impossible. There's 10,000 comedians, and they all want gigs. So room start charging open mic comedians to do a spot so you want it all you want to do open mic room, it's five bucks and the bar is only having us if you buy a drink as well. So one drink. So you've spent $11 now plus the you know, tip to the bypass and to go do a spot with for like three minutes with all these other open mic comics are on their phones who aren't listening or walking out line and back so terrible if you just want to
do work out new material because I use open mics in Melbourne to work new material and but I think in New York is it's almost like, as soon as you don't need to do them. You don't do them anymore. You get in the club. So in Australia, we don't have enough clubs to just play at clubs every single night. So I'll be the call.
explant for a week. That's great. Then the next week, I'll do some bar shows. And that's great. Then the next week, I'll do some open mics to work on new material than other festivals. So I think just yeah, New York
is good if you're in with a club, and you can do that club regularly. So yeah, you need to be of a certain calibre. Yeah.
They call it being. So I got past a Broadway comedy. So I could go and do Broadway. You know, nearly every night of the week. What happens when you get password is the ceremony is
charging you 11 bucks, you turn 50? Yeah.
Yeah, you just know, you feel like you're now
worthy, you know, not even competing with all the other dudes who have passed. So they turn your mic on. And so what's that, like, is it actually so that's a term that used, you know, in America that we're releasing, and so what's the
The mighty mighty know that you've been part you so you've been past the
past now say something like I got past at the store, meaning they will give me regular gigs. Okay? Because it's open mic until your past and now you get regular gigs and then they you get paid for the regular gig or No. Okay, so it's still like the dudes in LA at the Comedy Store, the big names are getting paid. I don't think so. If they are something tokenistic like 25 bucks or something like that, but then they mean, classic Joe Rogan goes to the store, it's like, yeah, they're going to work out material. So if you've got a profile, and you're going to go on tour and charge people 30 bucks a ticket, you better have good material right and better be stuff they haven't heard before. So to do that, you go to the clubs, or you go to open mic so you go to bar shows, and you work out material. So this is this month for me is like big time trying to get material you know, worked out. So I've got like a list of all these
new material all these premises I want to try I was thinking I was just going to run you know spend this hour because that's all I'm doing in January working on material I thought all coming I'll just work my show out on
our show my list yeah he's so inside but problem with this is a pixel what is that this is a Samsung Galaxy S 10 I'm not sponsored by them Samsung
phone for comedy
it's actually that's kind of true because you can have Yeah, when you record your sets you can go to record
record to text so you can record your set and then have your set someone was telling us about this with the phone
makes a noise at all then like tag it bird what
that's like the Google one. Not sure how many birds are ready yeah, yeah, maybe tags at hekla Oh yeah.
Tag if there's like
Yeah, this Yeah, it's just like, Well, you know, it'd be amazing if it actually like measured the laughs on how on a scale of one to 10 that's a good idea. So then you can cut all the jokes that are below five. Yes. What about the idea of having like, I mean, this probably horrendous idea, the app, they want to be on their phone anyway. Just sort of like you said in like, the one of those groups called it's like people reviewing stuff, but they could press a button if it's funny or not a
test groups. Yeah, yeah, that could be fun. So what are you using there? This is just the notes there keep keep notes. Okay, Google KPN.
I accidentally deleted something. Oh, you Jax start again? Oh, no. Anyway, it's fine. So yeah, my new stand upset. First premises. I love my girlfriend. So that's not getting any laughs people like all right, whatever. Yeah, no. Is this your gratitude list? Yeah, exactly. paid the bed. There you go manly.
Mate, girlfriend's dad. Deep it that's like the tobacco they put in the DMF in the south, from Kentucky. The word well, playing the game rook, it's a card game texting her dad. So that's like a new set. That's just a set list of material I need to try. And last night I did. The babysitter one was
I'm worried about having kids because of money. Like I meant, yeah, it's a true warning. Yeah, it's real worry. So apparently like babysitters can be 30 bucks an hour. Yeah, man. So if you like it's at 369 1200 and 20 bucks for four hours. But what I figured right there were some return flights to Adelaide for 90 bucks. So if you drop your kid off the airport, put them on the fly. Go out. Have you not picked them up in the airport four hours later, you've saved them so it
has to be returned? Is it return return
service to sit and look at it.
depends on the age to the key.
All right, well, they got some good feedback on the return. Getting there. And back. Yes.
So you get there and back for you, Josh is in the crowd.
Because there's something else. Like you could say how you know, you can get a flight to add like 90 bucks or whatever said sort of, and then the kids didn't have to worry about them anymore. You're welcome on the frankston line to our return.
That's a good idea. What's that for 15?
episodes like this is a dandy set like a Yeah, I've worked out packing in line. It's getting to a new one. So I had too many layers. And so this is a list that you've got, right? So how much do you go into the joke before you go up on stage and give it a give it a crack? It'll just be a premise. So all right.
A bunch of premises throughout you know my life so
what she drinking that is my girlfriend she's I think she drink coconut water on my phone.
The background it was a milkshake. So you got the dot points and then premises which Yes. So premise. I'm like for example, I'm just trying to find something that would be many of them.
Can you lean into a bad one? What's your least favourite job? Okay, this is my least favourite premise at the moment all people don't go to therapy. My generation goes to therapy for everything. Like I stuck the toe on a three weeks to you know, come to terms of myself trauma. But all people don't go because they were like, you know, when I was young, we never had the therapist. We just pushed our feelings down until we lash that at the barista for not making the coffee hard enough. Like this. And then yeah, so anyway, that's your
supremacy like all the people that never went to therapy, we just got on with it just got angry. So that's that's a premise that I don't think is funny enough yet. We haven't put it on stage yet, because I just don't think the idea is strong enough. But it's something that I'll just write something like that down. Yeah. And if I think it's good enough, I'll put her on stage. And if it gets a laugh, I'll keep working on it. But I don't want to work on a joke too long. Like just say I spend a day working on one premise like that. I get on stage and no one thinks the premise is funny. Well, now I've wasted the day on a joke that I'm not even going to do anymore. So premise first premise first, have maybe one line, try it out on stage. If that gets good traction, then I'll expand on it. shoot yourself. Is that a good premise to start with shooting you're shooting yourself? Yeah, can be I know some comics will have some good gear on that. Yeah. Is it a compliment? I know trop fest was it was always frowned upon because trop fest films always there was always one film that had like poor humour. That's really funny. Is that Is that a thing within stand up? Is it does everyone have a
humid joke Well, I don't know what there's different I guess. Younger is a comedy in a sense styles. So yeah, I'd say style. So some people have blue,
meaning that crass and they'll do that sort of humour. No, but you know, farts are always funny, embarrassing stories. It depends how it's done. So for example, like
Billy Connolly does a bit about having to get a colonoscopy. So he takes the meds, the laxatives right before and he just does his amazing beard. He's like I'm sitting on the cash and I fell rumbling around the thing and then I'm
like, he's doing all the sounds. So you think all that's base human, because he's just talking about like diarrhoea and but the real bit is about him worrying about his health. He's like, dude, I might have prostate cancer. Oh, man, I might have whatever so he's, it's actually deriving from fear. And he's like, I mean, this is you know, so now I'm freaked out.
Because I got to get this thing done, and now I'm shooting everywhere. And so what's the premise that so if you were to work out what, what, what are the layers of a joke? Do you think of that joke of a joke? And so there's the premise. So our premise is what it's about. And so with that, how people could relate to it is that what you're trying to do is like it not necessarily like I don't, you know, you don't. I think I'm reverse engineering right now, but I don't think you sit there and construct it, you know, in a like a technical sense. You just go that's an okay idea. I'll do it in front of a crowd and let them decide. So the audience is doing all the work I'm just saying the thing that I thought of and then doing what the audience tells me to do, it's like the bear the bear the gauge, so I'll try that. I tried that. You know, the the babies here on the plane last night people that got a huge reaction. I didn't think it would get that big a reaction. So now I'm like, Oh, hello.
We'll do that. But if it was left up to me if I had never heard the audience I would have might have thought that and I don't know if it's that good idea. Oh, yeah, sure. So I always just get an idea gotta put in front of an audience and they decide. So the premise is just what it's, you know what the jokes about, and then you gotta have, you gotta punch line in it. So yeah, you got to get the punch lines as quickly as possible. The absurdity as well. So taking the plane example. I'm wondering if we could lie or
my gum. Yeah, so the absurdity is that it you would, it's cheaper to put the kid on a plane and fly in the air? Yeah. And go back and forth than it is to bed. It's also a truism. So truism is like if it's technically true, then yeah, it's it's, it's absurd, but it's also real. So from a little
his point of view would you potentially say and you know once they get there I've just looked online they can rent a car for $12 I yeah you could you could do that i mean that yeah if you want to go down that line I'll give you an example of a routine right now I'll do I'm gonna do a routine
yeah that goes down at absurd yeah alright so
biggest problem in my life as a millennial sometimes my phone storage is full and it's always too many photos right? You have like 7000 photos and you can delete them all in one go especially with an Apple phone you try delete them you know they make you delete them one at a time you get bored throw it out by another iPhone. And you know there's no official response online you look up how do I delete all my photos in one go? The Apple doesn't give give a shit like you just you find some 20 minute YouTube video with some eight year old kid he's like Hey guys, don't forget to like and subscribe and he like just tell me how to delete the photos in one go. And he send you just some weed website. You got to download some some gentlemen
Breaking programme, you get the programme and it's like, do you want to delete all your photos in one go? Like that's exactly what I want to do. Well, that's a premium edition. That's 1499 you're like, All right. So you borrow dad's credit card and you buy the programme. And then all of a sudden the programmes like this programme is not compatible with your operating system. You're like, Why did you tell me that after I paid for it, so you go back to the original website, try to get your money back. But there's no you know, help centre there's no contact form. There's just some address in Russia. So you hit to Russia. And when you get to Russia, the cab driver bars picks you up. He's like, want to make some money, like he doesn't want to make money bars. So we set you up in the corner of Moscow selling drugs to the local experts, because you speak English and everyone loves and Ozzy and the head of the Russian mafia commissions you got to win the enemy turf and take them out. So it frees up some of the you know area for you to deal drugs. You don't exactly know what you're doing, but you grab a ak 47 because you feel better with a bit of weight behind you. And you go into the enemy turf and you've seen john wick so you like
you got blood on your hands that will never wash off but the henner Russian mafia like you did well, you can marry my daughter and you don't really buy
To that patriarchal bullshit because you pretty woke But hey, promotions a promotion so you're at the alternative party is coming down the hall. She looks beautiful like oh my god, I lucked out so you make love on your wedding night and all of a sudden she's pregnant nine months later you rushed to the hospital and she's in labour and she gives birth and it's a baby and as a boy, you're like, Oh my god, I'm a dad. I'm a first time dad This is the greatest moment my wife and gotta take a selfie with a newborn child me like I'm fat, but storage is full.
So that's taking it does. That's the
observational like it because you're waiting for it to be brought back to the thing, which that's the punch line. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So so in that that's an example of an observation of like, I don't you hate it when your storage is full. ammo doesn't look like you delete photos. People go are so true. That's relatable, but it's not that funny. You know, to me, it's like yes, I relate. You might get a laugh, but then where you go from there. So that's, that's an example of going I'll take it to an absurd place.
So I like it in that sense, but some jokes you do some jokes you don't do you like to improvise ation? Yeah, I do. But I think when people are paying, you know 30 bucks to see a stand up, they want to see the best stuff. At least that's how I feel. Yeah, but sometimes you go see like Ross noble and you want to see him go wild. Yeah.
For committed. So watching the Kevin Hart documentary recently said what someone said to him, you're saying jokes but they're not connected. They're not you. We don't know anything about you. They're not personal. I mean, so there's the improv which is sort of bringing in just making shit up. And then you've got the personal style approach as a comedian that's very much revealing about yourself, where do you think you land in terms of how much you bring yourself? And honestly, how much does that play a part in your comedy? Yeah, it's a big deal, I think because I've got to run a new show every year. I do a new hour every year and
Some years you're just like I just need to fill the time. So you putting stuff in this not perfectly you I had a joke recently that was about an old man trying to use the Dyson hand dry. And it was getting laughs But I listened to her back and I'm like, I'm just making fun of an old man. Yeah, and it's not I that's not me. I'm not like that.
So I've kind of cut the bit even though it gets good laughs
because yeah, so now you are you also have Dyson as a brand sponsorships. Yes. And then and Yeah, exactly. Very good. Well, they actually come off. Well, I say I was using the Dyson hand dryer the other day to public bathroom. I didn't even use the bathroom. I was just there for the dryer. The side that's like that's a good that's a good sale. Yeah, but they didn't go into like an old man know how to go. I don't know how to kind of help the young man and, you know, anyway, so it's just it's not a great I don't you? It's not me. I don't like it. And so
That's going but then some jokes like the one I just told you I really like that because I enjoy floods fancy. And you know I'm a millennial so I got a lot you know I worry about tech I know a lot of bad it like even the references throughout about the kid on YouTube like and subscribe. That's something that we get yeah maybe slightly older generation don't know the catchphrase. Don't forget to like and subscribe, john wick reference I liked yeah john wick reference and that starts with stuff so that was also the absurdity that just kills everybody but he's just is this fact and shooting everyone Yeah.
So you know what to do? Yeah yeah yeah yeah so that saying those things reflect who I am and and and they will get bigger laughs and and because people go yes I feel like I'm learning about him but if I go I can go on old people idiots with technology it might they might get lost but but I think afterwards it would leave a bad taste in people's mouth and
I know it's not, you know, whatever, Mike, in terms of so we did that 500 live show. First live show we've done that, you know, that scale had about 80 people in the room. And we got a lot of laughs when our comedians, but I think there's something about a live audience that sort of gets you on your seat do you think? Do you think that's the thing is that like the live thing? is not like safe or listening to comedy set without a laugh track behind it? So you're listening to it raw as you're in the audience, but no one else is there. But you and the earbuds? Yeah. Is it? Do you think it's still as funny as it is live?
I don't know scale, but it's certainly like, the psychology of it is like social proof. And like you hear people laughing you're more likely to think it's funny, but people can pick up on it. If it's fake like cat people hate canned laughter because they like stop trying to trick me into locking it. It's not fun. Yeah, yeah. Bye.
If it feels legit and it feels organic and real then yeah you I think it increases your enjoyment of the thing, but it also changes your timing so I think you guys say you're not comics but you funny guys but also you're good at listening and so when you to get in front of a crowd you you will listen to the audience and respond and like that's that's really what all a comedian is doing the same something and listening now rk I'm going to keep doing that. So I think if you've got that basic skill of listening because you can see actors sometimes a bad comedy,
certainly initially because they're not used to listening to a crowd like that. They're used to being focused on you know, their script of what they're saying and locking in one person and maybe responding to that one person. But with a crowd it can be can be different, maybe maybe TV actors, I think
why actors a different theatre actors are different, but
Yeah, so I would say the laughter helps you. And I think listening to it if you listen to the podcast with the laughter I think it's yet definitely more enjoyable to feel like, you know, I think they're getting big law. But last time you were
on the show, did you mention on the show, or was it or was it outside of you? But you talked about the key person of influence which your sister got you? Yeah, my sister, Carly. So I thought our guys started the year. Let's you know, give out our businesses a kickstart. Yeah, top five things to do. amazon.com best selling all probably propaganda. It's like, it looks like it's a gold badge on there. Yeah. So it looks real. What else is is? It's the Revised Edition. It's the five step method to become one of the most highly valued and highly paid people in your industry and look at it, right. You got all these red people, but you want to be the blue
Hey, I want to be that blue.
Blue guy is on the top of the world and he's doing some form of salute. And every all the red guys look sad. Yeah, I got their arms crossed. They're on the hips. Yeah, I'm not doing great. So how to be a blue guy? I love it. So I wanted to maybe read it back to front. Yeah, I have. But I want to
implement some things now in January with you guys. And then come on the show again. If I'm welcome.
Out of the blue prob.
Maybe like a Blue Man Group. Yes.
Yeah, and I want to save you guys. Because I know you guys care about this stuff. So yeah. Have you read it? Read it on. I've got it on my bedside table. Read? Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, actually, it's a lot. I have a bedside table. It's on the floor. But the next to my bed which is Nate, we need bedside table. So but in
trustingly your revised one bit thicker than mine? Oh, really? Yeah, there you go. Well, I get the real info. Yeah, you've got the you got the outdated stuff get to be a blue guy, but quicker than you already do this bit, right? We living in a very different world today than we were just a decade ago. So true. So true. So true of every it's a truism that we
were at the beginning of a whole new era. We are no longer in the industrial age. We're in a new economy that's digital, global, intangible, more meaningful and very entrepreneurial. Everything is changed, and so must you hashtag subscribe. Good luck, right?
illustration I am in you being an accountant. One of the men you know, I was at the other man. I think it's a boy and a man. I understand the Yeah, look.
I know an accountant. He is a great accountant. However he's not happy in and why? When he was 18 years old, fresh out of high school, he became an accountant.
I'm sure this is all about today's frustrated I think what what the best stuff in this is
the difference between key people of influence a vital people not functional people, people who are who are performing a vital role see themselves as aligned to the result rather than the process. So this is talking about like, are you replaceable in a job? So like if, if you're an accountant or whatever, or you're working in a company you're doing, like camera work in a company or something like that? Can Can you be replaced
the next day? Like, yeah, we can get another to get another camera operator. But if you're like the engine behind, you know, the ideas like you come up with, you're coming up with ideas, you're devising strategy, you're driving
a company and and where it's going to be replaceable. Do you think there's a difference between thinking you're irreplaceable, and actually be irresponsible because I've left roles and said, these factors I'm going to find someone as good as me like
You may almost going like this isn't it? It turns out on like what what is the your function so if your function is like yeah like you know editing or whatever, like they might not find someone as good an editor as you or as fast as you so that you know their production might drop but they'll you know they'll find someone you know the quality might drop but in terms of like if you're creating new and interesting ways to edit for the brand that you know going to make the brand stand out and get more attention and your an ideas man behind that. Well then you're not replaceable in terms of your personality and what you bring to that specific innovation. You must need to be like multi dimensional, like you need to steal from a bunch of different areas. Yeah, I'm gonna keep talking the other interesting. The other interesting thing for the accountant, they've still got six months before they have to wait for the New Year's resolution.
I've been huge I one, we got some exercises in the book, what sort of exercises? Who do you know who shows up as a functional person to their job? functional? What is the functional meaning again, they're just they're just do the job. They just do the job. require a cold, they just Yeah, they're in. Yep. Who do I know? A lot of people do. Yeah. I mean, stop looking at Mr. 97 job.
He's definitely not a code, the opposite of a cog, or he says log that he's two cogs at once, which is very hard to do. Yeah. No, I think he's, he's a proprietary cog. Right only works in certain machines. Right. That's how it works in a machine. Yeah, the thing is, like we say we save you
working now the machine is like, we're like sorry, yeah, it's the battery works without with us.
It's telling the woman that you won't find anyone else.
Coming up blowing up the production. Who do you know who's currently a vital person where their ideas steer the business actually 97 and all seriousness.
What are some of the differences you notice between them?
So yeah, we need
the cog in the machine versus the vital so the vital person will do shit. That's not their job. Yeah, yeah, totally. Because if you just do the job, that is jobs that are normally created, functional, but if you just doing your job description, that is a functional description. Whereas being vital is like 97 like it when he does the show notes and stuff. functional. Doing like you did a tour of the studio that we filmed. He was on camera. He's personality being in it. Yeah. What is one more personalities there?
Yeah, yeah. Well, that's
Well, that's probably true of like,
not to bring up another podcast show. But like, like Joe Rogan, whenever he's got Jamie in the booth doing all that stuff. And he can have a producer, any interchangeable, but the fact that Jamie has become a personality and an icon more vital because he's now bigger than, you know, just the job, baby, if you just yeah, if it was just a job description, you need to be able to turn on the live streaming. You need to like Google stuff is like the advice of all the vital stuff is being the being a reliable source for people. Because when Joe Rogan says Jamie, can you bring that up the audience trust that he's not going to go on being? Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean, radio Anka, we've had, we had both both of these people on our show on No, we haven't. Daniel, Dan gold Gandhi, Gandhi, you know, Dan was an anchor on Nova Yeah, got replaced by Dan Anstey. That's right. Yeah, literally. I know them both.
And I started listening and then one week I hear another one the same Dan I'm not just fucking replaced a damn with a Dan. And I sound very similar, literally having, you know, playing functional roles, but now they're not they're both killing it. doing their own show. Yeah, they read the book night. Yeah, that's right so you can be replaced by another Dan, anchor all day right Dan
today expects you to be trained and expect you to educate yourself constantly and bring something new to the table. So that's probably another example. Well, Mr. 97 words of the word of the year Yeah, when there are two of them, but yeah, lean in. It's all about leaning in for him. So I think that that plays into that education and sort of learning Yeah, immersing yourself in what you're what you're doing and yeah, more shit yet. Alright, so I wonder what the key okay key person of influence method
graph nice big graph.
Initial demo highlight. I did like two highlighting things. Step one, okay. Look good is impressive. A key person of influence. Now here we go.
Number one pitch. Your perfect pitch is so much more than you think the truth is, what a perfect pitch.
With a perfect pitch, you will be swamped with opportunity. So this chapter is about how do you pitch your idea, your business your goals? Yeah. To someone really clearly. Because I find this all the time with startups. Yeah. When you say also, what's your startup? Like? Oh, you know, we're like, consulting innovations, you know, problem solving. What No, I don't know what you do. So many confidential. Yeah, that means a b&b. Yeah, I guess that's more specific. Because we're not, we're not going to the pitch, necessarily. So if we can use the startup example, you've got the fluffy startup, but then I also think you've got the real
like, fuckin ability like jewels land with trial.
To just, it's a marketplace, but you know, he just nails the pitch, right? Yeah. And then can inspire people and people go, I know what you're talking about. Let me connect with that, which I think a lot of these new startups, their business models are so specific and have had to be thought out with that pitch. And then the nuance of
freelancing model like I do a bit of this stupid of that, like people still trying to find the fate of what I'm actually doing. What service Am I providing? What value am I bringing? When you're working that out? It's hard to have the pitch down pat, right, that you think like when you like? Well, it's, yeah, I guess so. I guess. If it's not clear in your head, and it's flexible, and it's too movable, then, I guess you want how you achieve that pitch to be flexible, but you don't want the pitch to be flexible. So does that make sense? So it's knowing your audience who are you speaking to that moment? What are they even give a shit about, which takes a level of sort of being in the moment to work out okay. Sorry.
You're a comedian. We we make videos, how can we relate if I'm telling you about what we do as a business or a show, like we just want to really bring your HR professional, we might say,
at the daily talk show is about serving the future of work. People aren't working in offices now. They're spending more time working from home. Yeah. And there's an opportunity to create something consistent that they can listen to every day. That is beyond the typical commercial radio. commercial radio is like a broad audience. It's geo specific. Right? We're providing
something different. Yeah. Okay. Being company during your workday, which is not normal anymore. Yeah. Well, it's relevant not just startups route relevant to music brands into things like that. So like as a start up examples, my cousin has one called travelling tradies. And
for a while the pitch was a little bit like it was difficult to now
down, but now what it is is he
provides Australian tradies with holiday experiences
in developing countries who need tradies to help their local awesome and so it took him a while to I hope I did a justice to nail that down but when he and if he can pitch that to everyone when people are what do you do and he can say that I help developing countries get things fixed in their communities by sending Australian tradies over for holidays. It's great. He did that on the Today Show and he he does that in you know pitch meetings, things like that. People go all I get it, I know what they are helping developing countries amazing. Giving tradies you know, a holidays you know, important too because mental health in in that industry is really important. So he did has done really well now to lock that down.
And now how he goes about it, whether it's through an app that has changed, like, all the website, we're going to get the website, right or we're going to do it manually. That's too much. Okay. We'll do it through an app. Like so how he gets to there will be flexible, but the the core pitch has been pretty
well locked down. So, Josh, when you left yesterday, I kept watching Jason Calacanis or something. Jason Calacanis. So he's got this weekend startup, a podcast said for like, 1212 or 14 days a video show that if you're gonna say, check it out in YouTube, because yeah, you see, so there was like, the one I was watching was a bunch of all these. And he's like, he's sitting down at his desk, and they're standing out so he's, he's got him standing up, and he's sitting there and he's all right. You've got a minute and a half, two minutes or whatever it is. In our pitch. Yeah. And then he's so brutal after he's like, Look, your pitch was terrible. But you You're great.
Gordon Ramsay going on
Yeah, so you saw I saw like someone cramming information into the pitch that was like a lot in it. Yeah, but not much connecting to what the idea is or what Yeah. Well, I reckon we need to do a better job of it. Like so. For instance, from a video point of view, you could say,
we do video production for all different types of brands. What Jason Calacanis says is use an actual real world example. Yeah, so for us, the real world example would be
we worked with a company called land build. They were working on a site in July long to rebuild the beach house, which was a iconic
area in July where there's going to be a cafe and all that sort of thing. And we filmed the whole process from start to finish with them dealing with the counselled right speaking with the, the client that is putting
The whole cafe together. And by the end of it, they ended up with a video that they can show to other potential clients with this is what we do. This is how we make it.
So then the the second attempt, how do you lead with the problem? Yeah, so
construct. We're in video production, construction companies
creating these amazing buildings and structures. And people see the final product, but they don't see the journey along the way, the hard work that was put in, we helped land build, capture over four months, the development of one of the greatest developments that I've been a part of, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, maybe a final product or something you say we help people tell their stories of triumph. Well, the thing is that success. A lot of people it doesn't necessarily explain that the specific like, I guess there's something in the specificity
The event where you say like, one of the things with builders is it's really a process of them entering tenders or putting themselves for for tender tenders a based on trust and pricing. Pricing is very easy. You can look at it as a spreadsheet, you can say how much something costs. Trust really is something that's less tangible, right?
And so what we do is we help bring that trust element by putting together videos that communicate their history and how they've done it previously, their processes their interactions with the client, so you get a tangible sense of how they go about development. Right, and we capture that and yeah, take a walk on on Okay, well, look, I'll go back to the book and see what direction perfect
pitches that change the world. I have a dream. So why Greg monolids
came down is such a bad sign and
I have a dream that someday this nation will live up to its great that all men are created equal, right?
You must be the change you want to see in the world Gandhi and things like that, man, this is going pretty high, gone really high.
But, uh, I think, man, there was a section where he put it really well, when people say, Well, what do you do and you go all I'm a, you know, I'm a builder, you know, okay, then that sort of level that's uninspiring, but if it's like, Hi, what do you do? And you go, are I make senior people's lives, you know better by
adjusting their house to suit their medical conditions go. Oh, that's, that's really awesome. Yeah. So either I think that is that specificity that you talk about? So it's the problem. It's saying how you're solving a problem. Yeah, I guess so. But yeah,
I went to a seminar and it was like reverse engineering. It sounds like there was some process that I went, but it's like yeah, leading, leading with that kind of like, You're not even, they don't even know what you do yet. They understand the sort of the value you bring. So like that, yeah, we help like a wedding photographer, you know, it's like, special moments, you know, like, like, entering into the emotion before you've even said the thing. So you should sort of lead the thing. But I mean, this is not human interaction, if we're at if I'm at a party, and someone does that to me
back in a bit. So if you do it in a story, if you wrap it up in the story, trying to wrap it up in the story, but you're also trying to be a human. Like you're not in pitch mode, necessarily when you're at the pub or at a party. Like he's an example, right? He's doing that right. So from to what right. What do you do, I have a PR agency, we do work on brand endorsement deals. So that's the base
I run a PR agency We specialise in matching celebrities with product, the endorsement deals. These deals make money for everyone involved. And last few years, we've done deals for big businesses right through to startups. I love. I'm an m&a consultant. From this mom and m&a consultants. I help businesses grow through acquisitions too. I specialise in mergers and acquisitions. I help companies to buy add a competitor without using any cash. Many of my clients have doubled their revenue in a single deal. So very quickly, you understand what, what what you get in that? Yeah. As a comedian, how do you go about like, how do I do it? Well, no. I mean, there's a part where having a hobby, like being mates with a lot of people and being the person that people love would contribute highly to you getting jobs. You know, let's say that you're a baseline comedian. You're funny. You ever think you're funny yet? laughs you're also the guy that's loved. I think
comedian over the nail cell that has an app that has the same set that the person that's love. So the person that is about able to know nurture relationships on if it's corporate, like if you if it's a corporate client, they're probably thinking, is he going to be? Is he going to stay within the boundaries? So, yeah, so appropriate in the corporate world? It's like, are you clean? Are you going to get me in trouble? So the first thing you go, hey, I've done this so many times, I'm not going to get you in trouble. I'm going to get you you know, people uploading correct congratulating you for booking, booking me, right. So that's like the number one thing because it's always like, you know, a PA who's doing it or some some companies have like, you know, the event organiser or whatever, and they are under the pump. If they book a comedian, that's great, because relatively cheap compared to like a dance crew or a band or a big, you know, celebrity or illusionist or something like that.
Lots of props or whatever. So comedian is like great on budget.
But what's the risk factor? They're going to get complaints like I can't believe the comedian said this sort of stuff it's so offensive and that's happened I've had before corporate gigs people calling me on my on my I'm under the pump. You know, I'd like a couple years ago we had a comedian it was bit misogynistic and like, you know, a lot of backlash and my, you know, my, my job rides on this and comedian that
but I was like, Man, I've got this right. I'm clean and accessible and inoffensive. And you're going to have a great time. And so that in the corporate world, yeah, that's, that's a big value. And so your brand recognition, like if you're on TV and radio a lot on TV and radio, you have to be claimed generally. Yeah. So that's why they probably rely on those sort of people more. So yeah, brand recognition in that sense. If you've got a claim
comedy brand. How well known is that? That's important. But in terms of like, the the networking side of things, that's important because it's a very, I don't know, it's unregulated in the sense of like being you know, super funny as a comic doesn't necessarily guarantee you getting spots. Well, you got to not be addicted to the brain book is or the TV people and you got to be good to work with. So I know they're, they're convenient. You know, if I have a choice between two comics, one I know who's pretty funny, like will do the job, but I can work with them really well. I'll pick that comic over someone who's super incredibly, like, brilliantly funny, who I can't, you know, bring into an environment. Where does networking happen? And that's happened before. I've helped comedians who I think are so funny, like the funniest people I've ever seen. They're just so smart and unique and brilliant. And I've given them a gig. They've turned up light there.
offended the boss stuff that offend the bad stuff by like, demanding a free drink because you're a comic rather than asking all Hey, man, I'm new tonight. Nice to meet you. I'm Simon. How you going? How does it work here tonight show? Is there a drink involve them? Rather than like, I'm a comic, I'm going to get a free drink. Oh, life, stuff like that. So that dude might be hilarious on stage. But if you're not, if you're not going to play the game of normal society, you know what I mean? So that is, in fact official, like some, you know, some level of being likeable and accepted, because then you just won't get opportunities in the long run. So there's comics who are way more talented than me. And other comics, I know, but just are not functional. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there is probably a few of those that slipped through and make the mega stardom then this
Has overridden the undershoot? Yeah, I think they can have like, they can probably mitigate it enough in the beginning, you know, whatever and just a nice to the people that need to be. And then when they get into stardom and they now they've got like, you know people are putting them, you know, to then sort of insulate them from having to be a decent person, you know, the savagery of Ricky Jabez. Yeah, the Golden Globes like Yeah, yeah. Is he getting those jokes?
flag or not? Does he run those passwords? He does. He apparently does. But they're like, we're not going to muzzle you. So it's really goes through lawyers. So they all go through lawyers. Yeah. So you guys, the lawyers just go Yeah, there's nothing libellous in here. That's all I care about holding bugs don't want to be sued. Yeah. So they go through lawyers. Is there anything that can be sued for not then do an apple service for relating them to like, Oh, yeah, that was the Chinese sweatshop.
The extrapolation was Apple with a licenced streaming services if artist you had a streaming service people would be running through their agents to get him a deal with otters. Yeah but he's he's in a position enough like he doesn't need Hollywood in that way it doesn't get he makes he shows with Netflix a price Netflix
employed by them. But like he doesn't he doesn't mind he can get his projects up and work with the people he wants to work with. Yeah, in his group and then yeah, he can make fun of those, those those celebrities who are in those positions of power and things like that, but yeah, I mean, even those people though, I mean, everyone's essentially working like he on that Golden Globes Scorsese's work at the table with Alba Chino and patchy and De Niro, the people he's been working with for what, 50 years or whatever. And then, Tarantino's at the table with DiCaprio and I think Brad Pitt's know and Brad Pitt so he's worked with those days before. It's it's like you find your people
And you're good to the people around you. And that kind of and, you know, you work on the projects that you, you, you know, want to work with. Want to work on. And, yeah, don't do anything to, because I think it comes back to bite you eventually. Yeah. If you're if you're alienating people inventing greggers for sure, especially now, with comedians, you obviously there's a lot of different formats. So there's that corporate stuff. There's a stand up. You were doing the Sunday experiment on the hip network. Yeah. Which was sort of like a radio a radio format. Yeah. I really like that. Yeah. How did you find that? I liked being on air, because it felt like a performance. Yeah, was like, Oh, this happened. My girlfriend today. He's, you know, it's in many ways, it's giving my list of premises that I was looking at earlier jog premises, and just getting to, to basically to them with one other person. So I enjoyed that. Performance element to it. live radio is really enjoyable.
stuff around it can be difficult, like the meeting beforehand, stressing out about, you know, the the show and what to do and what not to do and, and then afterwards, you know, feedback and all that sort of stuff like the world around that can be very stressful is a good stress or is it unnecessary? Um, I don't want it in my life. Can I just turn up and do the performance bit? And what do you think the answer is, can you?
I think I think I can. However,
I feel like I can be consistently. Well, I think someone like ewz, for example, I think he certainly prepares but he's so clear on what he is, you know, like he's so consistent. He's consistently funny. his point of view is is clear that they know what they're getting with him. And so I reckon event only happens over time that happens over a long period of time. You
Totally. So to answer the question at this stage, they're probably like, are you going to be, you know, brand friendly? Are you going to do anything that you know,
upsets the network and whatever. And also, I think producers want to have a hand, they want to put their fingerprints on you. And to some some degree like, Oh, I want to have a hand in moulding you into a perfect, you know, radio presenter. So what sort of feedback would you get?
I didn't write it.
And it was written that way, about the emails. And so from a feedback point of view, where do you what is your relationship with? Because I guess from a
development point of view, feedback, and you're good at feedback in regards to is the audience laughing, listening, right? You are a good listener? Well, if it's for an audience, I think what happens is, when you get into other media phones, you're trying to plays all these different groups. So first of all,
Trying to please an audience Why? So they watch or they listen, or they come to a show, because they're the lifeblood of what you do without an audience is nothing. So you step one, you learn how to place an audience. Great. Now you do that. And now, marketing gets involved. Well, we got the sponsor, and they don't want you to mention this, this, this, this. So now you're trying to please an audience with all these caveats. And you're like, Okay, well, that's fine. You know, you could probably work it out a lot of the time, you can integrate things and, you know, you could do product placement and whatnot. And I think like, Ellen DeGeneres is pretty good at working in something super funny with a brand and and that's fine. That's problem solving. That's using creative thinking anyway.
But then you've got like a producer who just has an opinion of like, well, I want it done this way. And then that's when you start to get tension. You're like, Well, why? Yeah, because the audience doesn't want this and they don't want that. It's like how do you not you're not performing to them. You're not connecting with them. You don't
Hi. So I met reduces and bad producers. Yeah, totally. Some good producers will give you a framework to create in what does that look like? So for example, like a, like a late night talk show or something like that, when you when you want to go on that they're like, well, it's going to be clean. And
it we want to have, you know, three different bits in it. So we can edit it for length, because if you do one long routine, it makes it super hard for them to edit. So they'll give you something like that you're like, that's fine, I can do that. I can find three small routines that if you need to cut one of them, the time will cut part of the time it's not going to ruin the set. I'll keep it clean so you don't get in trouble with the FCC or whatever. Fine. When there's when they look at your set, they go send me a tape and Ricky said they go, yeah, that won't that won't work for our audience. And you go, What do you mean? I've been doing that bit across America. You know, seven years. It does work. I know.
know it works. I've been in there with the crowd hearing them laugh I've got audio recordings of them laughing and then going No, I just don't think our crowd will get it like they will I know that will because I've done it I've done the testing. So when their opinion supersedes your evidence, that's a bad producer because they don't know but I've got the evidence to prove that you know, the bit works or the bit is palatable. So when they tried to subjectively alter your
piece of work your your stand up or whatever the you know, art form is that's a problem when they're doing it based on
you know, legal requirements. Like we can't, at this time slots were fine. totally fun. What about car hosts? So you've got like the producer side of things, and then when you're doing a show you are co creating with someone else so yes, like
It's one of those things where it's like you're even you're co creating I guess with an audience as well if you know in a lot of ways, but if you've got someone that you're speaking to their responses where they go down that if if you're thinking punch lines or a destination for a story totally how they re roll yeah railroader Yeah, well that's another factor so that's you know, that's another
there's a bit of trial and error with that like you know, finding the good you know, someone someone to work with, like using cable like the perfect your iPhone and then add cavaletti came on and Mike, are they perfect as well as like, are these people are just all just really good at listening to each other and giving each other they're just sort of, you know,
highly capable people. So if it's universal, if you can sort of, there's some qualities that work
well together. Is that listening? Is that what it is? I think yeah, I think listening is is important and knowing when to Yeah, listening, but also knowing what to do with that information, like knowing when to come in and knowing when to let someone go. I think that that's important, but I don't know a lot about radio because I'm pretty new to it. So I'm enjoying it. But yeah, just it. I just feel like sometimes a lot more layers of piled onto it, the need to be that if you if it's, if it's about if it's stand up, its main the audience, that's all that matters, really. If it's radio, it's you and your co host. That's all if you guys are having a good time, then
then hopefully the show then will will do well, and I think that happened with
Joe and lemo on gold. So there was this amazing period where so they were I think number two or number three
Something like that in the writings and because I had a producer who would
produce I think a bit I think they were just so many notes coming there was you know all these you know notes coming but the head of programming decided I'm gonna ditch
gentlemen lemo at the end of the year anyways I didn't care and the producer got fired. So he's so the head of programme was like well I'm not going to hire another producer because I'm ditching them anyway so for six months they didn't have a producer and the show was so good because they got to do what they wanted. And they didn't have all these intense you know, notes and pressure from from a producer. So they became number one in those six months because the show was so good that all they got to focus on doing was their their chemistry and making good show. So it's it can be in like a producer can be suffocating when what they think they're doing is steering
So if you have a good producer that can encourage the and affirm and reinforce the good things you're doing and can help you avoid the, you know, silly things you're doing then then that's great. But if they're stifling then you know it's better just not to have one. So the Melbourne Comedy Festival starts is it March or winters or April winters The Comedy Festival start you should know. Yeah, into March so I'm, well I'm about to go to Perth. Perth fringe will do the first week of first two weeks of FEHB then we're going to do five weeks in Adelaide. So from February March and then into March I'm going to do Melbourne Comedy Festival and then after that I got Sydney Comedy Festival.
What do you what do you leave in this book? Adeline Where do you stay five? Wow. I've got a friend in Adelaide that I stay with
girlfriend the moment that I live with
When she was
doing I just got a hotel in Perth. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Right. I tell last 10 days. Do you lock that lock the lock? I prefer living with my girlfriend. I like that answer. Yeah.
Her dad watches this show by the way. I'm really yeah, so good tacky because eight when when we started, we started dating. He would look up everything that I've been on online so he'd seen the DACA we made together, right? He watched this show because he brought something up at dinner. He's like, Oh, that's like in that daily talk show. You mentioned this and like so you know, shout out to all the Kentucky viewers.
Hey, yeah, so, uh, yeah, I like travelling and seeing new things. Yeah, but after a while things can get mundane. So like, for example, I love going to the UK last year and I went to Ireland and I started in Cork, the south of Ireland did a gig next I caught a train all the way up to the to Northern Ireland and did a gig
I'm Belfast and that was awesome. But if I had to do that, say every six months I'd be like, gosh work, so I'm gonna be tired by the time you get to Melbourne. I'll be fine because in Adelaide I just really look after myself like lots of go to the gym. Ate really well to my show. You got an old mid you know where your Jim's going to be you know the cafe. Yeah, stuff. You're gonna go. So yeah, I've known my supermarket everything. I've done it. Yeah, this would be my 10th year doing festivals. Wow. Yeah. So I've got a debt and I don't go party. Like, in fact, anything cheesy, and I will hang out because we don't drink. Yeah. So we'll go hang out and we'll have a nice dinner or something like that. And we'll chat a bit but then we're done. So, when I first started doing festivals, I'd be like,
all the parties happening Hey, I'm after 3am you know, going to you know, the the festival clubs and things like that. So I got it down to a science now that the fun stuff for me is you know, travelling with my girlfriend.
Buying ball games people and reading about how to build your business. Yeah, boy, pitching hard.
Our mate, Dr. Jason Fox was talking about Dungeons and Dragons. love that game.
What if we want to get into it? What's the deal? species if you don't want to get into it?
Or you want to get into it.
You can buy the books by the players handbook and the boss has got Yeah. Can I get them world of books? Nice seven. Can you look it up? I want to get a really nice secondhand one. Yeah, what's it called? The dungeon Master's guide and the players handbook. You got to read those two. Or you could find a dungeon master like me, like you are a dungeon. Yeah, I can do it. But I've written scenarios and things like that. Yeah, I really enjoy it.
Yeah, I've played it a lot, actually. But times if you've been to master dozens, yeah, lots of sessions. So when I travelled is one of the things I do.
When I travelled, I go into a town to send me in Brisbane for a week, I'd set up a game of Dungeons and Dragons at the local board game store and people who'd never played before could come and play. So do you wear normal clothes? Yeah, it's not bad.
It's just it's, it's like john get dressed up. You can if you want to, yeah, you can do.
Dungeons and Dragons master would be dressed. I just don't. It's storytelling. It's really it's kind of like improv and storytelling. And so, you know, the dice determines whether you're successful at something. So, as you know, much better nothing. Okay, so you create a character
based on the Lord of the Rings world basic, so I have to watch Lord of the Rings. I haven't watched it yet. But it's that world, you know, like dwarves and elves, and wizards and warriors and paladins and things like so I need to know if i was i guess the manual the hand how much is the handbook going for? 46 bucks on what
Books more amazon for 32 really water books What do you guys doing? Plus 10% too high? I'd go where of books for sure what just because of the jacking
that 97 was pointing out because world of books is set second hand books that you can buy online get several more you can get you can get used on Amazon for 30 bucks. What about the new ones?
Just brand new is 32 how many pages? Is the book? Yes. 200 No, the such good condition gets people read them and thought I'm not doing this.
I'm just imagining like really? I want to get one that's got some history to it. Yeah, right. So I law. Yeah, yeah, so I bought the Judd Apatow book sick in the head on world of books. And it was a like a pre release, copy. legis like, obviously, it made its way around. It was cool. So it's like a real thick version. Because it's the
got heaps of
I don't know if dandies your game said ball game world is so huge there's so many wonderful time Why isn't why I think a strategy game you'd like if you played pandemic
Is that the one with the rice? Oh sorry the high no pendant no that's
our now dronov like
Qatar I think it's
I think pandemic potentially pandemic is a strategy game was cooperative. So you're all in the same team and then a disease breaks out around the world or diseases breakout around the world and you go to go around curing the diseases so you working together so he's like, all right, dude, if you go to Hong Kong, and I'm going to go to Los Angeles and I'll cure thing Yeah, that's a good one. I think you'd like that because I think you'll you likes strategy and and discussion on that on moderation.
Yeah, you can dress he have dress up as he knows. No.
I'll do that. So the date back on the day in day thing, so we pick a they're like a dwarf a wizard. Yeah. And you give it a name like
Last time I played I created a dwarf character that sounds like my Nona so it's like you know, they're like all right the dragons coming What are you doing like I'm not got a pizza and make a pizza for everyone so we have a full stomach before we go into battle is there a lot of a kid like can you get real annoying with a day? You imagine is that it can for sure yeah what some of the etiquette the etiquette is not talking over people letting people play that earn out. Because if you know your character Have you seen Lord of the Rings? Yes. Yeah, so just say you're playing an elf like legless or whatever. You're an archer. And there's, you know, I know there's a creature that you want to kill like a vampire, whatever.
And so what I need to know that a dwarf can kill a vampire. Yeah, like short surely in the game like yeah, I guess the dungeon master like if the vampires there. Or maybe it's just like a
a werewolf or whatever it is.
You could pay the Naira Yeah, if you got Silver Arrows you know what I mean? Like there's
our well then you got to go on an adventure to work it out. So he is in the game so you're in a bar, right? You're in a you're in the tavern. You're your walk creature. You want to be happy with an elf optra I'm happy with it. I want to be a werewolf. You want to be werewolf? Carol? You can be a werewolf character. So what are you in your human form?
A human form? What is that? Yes. Are you What you got? You in human form? You just like a man a guy. During the day. You're like, why do you want to become a werewolf at night? Let's see a werewolf and just where we're sold out? Yeah.
All day. Oh, no, here. Let's give you Okay, all right. So you can be human. You can be a dwarf. You can be an elf to be fairly
Yeah, yeah, you can be we both know. You can pack the house and known Yes.
You can be
Which is a hobbit canadia Gandalf just a wizard. Yeah, you can be human with it. Okay, now I know what I'll do. That'd be a wizard and then a werewolf at night. Yeah, you can be aware of when it's a full moon. Right? And so you would so anyone could declare a full moon?
No on the dungeon master, so I would determine what's happening in the world. So I'm like that. Yeah. So I'm like the computer. I'm the computer. Yeah, and I dictate so you know what I might so I'm a werewolf at night and a wizard during the day. Okay, so your wizard human right. And we've discussed beforehand that you want to be you know your way with whatever and you get to decide your backstory. Are you looking for a cure? Are you happy to be a wealth engine? Not yet. I just this is. This is before the game you create your character and your motivation for the character. So your wizard who has a backstory that you get to decide when I was a kid, I was bitten by a werewolf so I became a wizard. So that one day I can maybe be able to use my
kill myself and so how long do we each have to describe that story? As long as you want we have a session I think I like five hours or whatever you know like however long a session and so we say etiquette around length hmm I mean don't take the piss but just have fun saves longest in the game ever Yeah, yeah said like longest what it takes yeah yeah yeah you can do session sessions because you level up your characters level up so you're an archer you're human
maybe you know whatever you decide your backstory is like maybe or you know evil and you just want heaps of money like your own adventures to get money or maybe you're
you know, wife's been captured and trying to get it back or whatever it is. You come up with your backstory. I'm angry at the world you might find me trying to get donuts. Just give me angry. Great, perfect, so hungry on the hunt. So I'm only aware of when it's when the moon is when the moon's up Yes. And also, when I'm a werewolf I
I become very good at using guns for sniper while there's no there's no guns in in the game on creating they could be so so you would would I be outside of that oh you would we would discuss beforehand so this character creation is step one then we stopped the game. You need to watch the Lord of the Rings Joe yeah and you know what away will freeze? It's a big dog. Big wolf Yeah, but like a wild one can't use guns. It's all magic. You're better off with Gandalf.
Yeah he's on and off isn't Hey from Harry Potter. No, no, he's Gandalf is our Lord of the Rings. The big bearded guy and Harry Potter the double double Dong Dong different. Copy him. Yeah. So I got your wizard, and you've got the senior a werewolf. And we're in a tablet. How did how did Tommy get to pick about the donuts? He just gets to do that. It's so
he gave me the opportunity. Well, in the work in this current world, we can have guns. We can have muskets if you want, but I would play it in terms of it's like the Lord
The rings world words, you know wizards and swords and axes and arches and things like that. So, so many evil world casual scene gamer
haven't seen Game of Thrones. So this world a d&d setting is set in these mediaeval fantasy worlds, so they tend not to have guns. Okay, could I say that I've got the hardest armour in the world? No, you have to buy armour so you might start the game with a certain amount of money gold or certain like it so if you old level one characters to begin with, so you've got restrictions on that really quite easy job. Yeah, but I just don't think I don't understand
it up and then all
right, I haven't did I want your motivation you could say I'm on the hunt, to get vengeance for the guy killed my father. I really enjoy eating
muttonchops but if you go I have the strongest armour in the world like Well, no, that affects the mechanics of the game now and so I'm hungry and I'm looking for the best don't Tommy was okay? Because he didn't say he if he said, I have a bag of donuts, you'd say no. We can discuss beforehand. I might say, No, you're a lot of stuff in the book in the hand guide, you're allowed to start with certain rations. So if you if you're allowed to start with certain ration, you go, yeah, I've decided their donuts. Like that's, that's okay. That's fine.
But if you say, Yeah, I have a bazooka you like, no, that's not the what we're playing mediaeval world. So you're
talking about stage one, stage one is character creation. And so he decided based on the play Handbook, how much how many things you're allowed to have, if he says, I have a truck full of donuts and be like, No, you can't have that. You're allowed three days worth of rations in what according to the handbook or whatever. And so, is there a bit of a sense on the first stage of character building that everyone's trying to want, and so on.
The reason I picked the strongest armour is come on well now I'm invincible. Nobody haven't written that. You can't do that. So the rule book allows restrictions on what you can get. If you read the book you bought off Amazon. Yeah. Everyone read the book or I
read a master right now. Everyone reads the players hand. Okay? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So you read the place hang like how many?
It was about 330. I think of a guy, but you gotta read it and know in character, great creation. It's like, well, you have certain stats as well. So your character might be good at
athletics, right? So you get to decide you roll the dice. It determines how many points you get. I'm understanding this in a big way. So it means that the there there are restrictions to your character created. So I can say, a wizard who can cast spells, and so on this spells based on level one.
And though that is in the hand, what is in the head so there's a spell list. So I could go through I can learn all that.
We get level one wizard spells dungeons and dragons and I think he's allowed to have oral five or something to begin with
or maybe six or something but so the donut thing stupid though because mediaeval they wouldn't have had donuts it's a weekend we can you know
yeah I can give you guns if you want you know but it's it's would you have to say if there's no knowing we're doing this with him a
real fucking know he needs to read the book how many so there's there's a lot of them the first level yeah can trips and there's level one is is that I'm just on Wizard of Oz live all your candidates don't yet level zero give me give me Can trips because cantrip spells so this is another role cantrip spells you can cast as many times as you want with no restrictions. Level one you can only cost them a certain amount of times before nesting. What does that give me some cans so you can have an acid splash? Yeah, so you can so just say we're in a scenario right? You're in a cabin and
It's daytime, and you're having some beers and you're talking about, you're talking about donuts, and then you're talking about, you know, trying to find a cure for yourself. And then all of a sudden, a
goblin breaks in and start and we have knives and is approaching the bomb and screaming and wailing sign you can call me I'm the master, I'm creating the world. So I'm the computer so you create the same so you saying the Goblin comes in, he's got lives and he's in he's got two knives in his hand, he starts racing towards a bomb and what do you guys do? And it goes around in a circle. Know You guys can in this in this circumstance are actually a does. Yeah. So we would roll initiation you'd roll the dice, and whoever rolls the the high number so if you roll one new role of five, well then you're going first because you're in the lower. Yeah, yeah. So your initiative is higher in this sense.
No one to 20 the rosses the dice dice is one to die is one to 20 so you've rolled the one and you've rolled a five or whatever, and the goblins rolled an eight so you get to go first. So what do you do? I won't tell about Danny and he's now you have acid splash spells you've also chosen a weapon good ones you've also got fire bolt we got fireball poison spray ray of frost Yep, and a true strike. Okay, Ryan frost Can you read right across for me? And so you're gonna phrase the Goblin yeah okay, so we'll see what the spell actually does a beam of blue white light streaks toward a creature within range yeah
dawn wasn't in range now it's it's you can ask me on it when the game you go. Is he within range? Or how far away I'm in like three feet or whatever. So I think that's 100 or 60 feet or something is the range for a goblin? Yes. 60 feet. Yeah, yeah.
do say he's been frozen. Know what is the effect of the spell on a hit? It takes one day he called damage. Okay, one day called damage.
So yes basis reduced by 10 feet until the start of your next time. That's good. So it slows it down. So that was done well that was a really good role. That was a really good thing. So we're going to you're going to roll a day eight
I'll do it online do a roll.
Seems to me So yeah, Google has it on a four and a 311 a full so you're all the four. Oh no, we'll take this 106 on a day. So I have all the stats on a goblin Goblin will have maybe eight health or something like that. Like I had a really good video game so he's only got three left he's got to live Yeah, but you want to know that right? all know that as the dungeon master Oh,
Have a have the stats behind the shield and back behind like a little you know, cardboard protector and all know the Goblin I'll be able to say are the Goblin is looking really bad like he looks like he's about to die and so is the Goblin playing the Goblin is playing yeah he's he's no he's me. So the they don't have any characters do you own everything everything else other than what you guys play okay and you would add a character he sees how on playable characters and bases I've heard of NPC
Yeah, yeah, but he talks about it in terms of a real world the things
so you've got let's say you're part of the you've got a bow and arrow which is da and let's say it's da plus two, right so you can attack and you've got some knives which are the six plus two, whatever plus two points. So what do you want to attack the Goblin is your turn? Do you want to do something else in the environment?
There's a chandelier above there is some bottles on the bar and this bs still full you can do anything you want within the restrictions of the world you can just put you in a pull out knife and attacking you get be a throat on the ground to try and make him slip as
I should know the two points like if I knife him he's dead because he only
points but you can I'm telling you what I'm doing as a dungeon master I've got a point system so when something happens I know determined and if Tommy kills if he's frozen, frozen it's slow. He's not frozen. He slowed down yeah, hey, slow down. Yeah, getting close. He had knives so if I try to knife human he knives me back. Yeah. What about if I miss through some acid? It will speed it up. Can you throw acid? He's tired. No. So you're I don't know what class you are. So the different classes. So there are wizards. There are sorcerers there are fighters there.
barbarian yeah Druid barbarian alpha Ranger nations. Yeah, but you don't like nonfiction. She don't like fishing.
Yeah, so anyway, thanks is that's a that's a let's let's just say you're like legless like your notch off your Ranger, right so you Yeah, essentially someone who you know is in the forest a lot and works with animals and you probably got you might even have a pet with you let's just say you want to pet beforehand you I think in the rule book you're allowed a pet familiar. So you could say yeah I have a trusty dog with me whatever I have a bird that's on my shoulder, whatever, and you can get the bird to do things. So I say it goes dark there's a moon, I'm a werewolf. No, you can't do that. Because while you're playing, we get you back on this red thread. But it's like, imagine playing a video game.
You don't control the world. In the video game. Yeah, exactly. Did you combine certain what I asked. Is it nighttime? No. I
I said it was
bad yeah it's data but let's let's finish this this this story out
so yeah, the Goblin is now just been attacked he slowed down he's pretty sharp longer shoot narrow because I've got I'm not great. So you should narrow him. I want either roll. I think a day. Let's say D six plus two is pulling up a by the way app or something on Google. Yeah, so Google so you can rock so decent let's roll. No.
That one you rolled?
Oh, actually, no, I have to fuck this up. You have to roll date date 21st
day 20 determines whether you your attack hits or not.
That's something I forgot if anyone's time for people to even you understanding this shit. No, it's because I guess I'm bike on the spot and having to
having to do it.
That's your master. That's it.
Yeah, exactly no I'm having to do it without the dice and without the process I'm trying to like explain the game. So day 20 determines whether you your attack hits or not. And then you roll for damage afterwards so let's just say you rolled the 20 and you hit Yeah. So I didn't need all the damage and you were all six and you know you didn't I think some spells you don't have to I'm not sure if that one yeah, I think you do, but you're all day 20 Yes, you hit because sometimes you miss you go not you miss him the arrow flies off and a smash through the window and kill someone outside. Damn it. No, you hit you kill him. He dies the bar guys says guys, that was the best thanks for setting a bar problems been so bad. In fact, there's a camp of them outside. He's 10 Gold ah for killing that Goblin. There's another 500 gold from the town if you guys go kill the goblins you go Greg. You can accept that mission. You go killing any more. Yeah, as a team. It's better to stick together. And so now you gotta go on the adventure to kill the goblins.
You guys know, we're going to stay in town drinking or not. I need to find a cure. I'm going to try find a major in the town. So it's store is world building. You need to know, Josh, you need. You need to roll the dice. Anyway, I want to play I'm surprised. I swear I've seen
before I started a half assed explaining this. I said, I don't think this is the game.
I think I want to get into Yeah, right. This is a game that's been going for 35 years.
I don't think it's non stop. No, no, it's not it's not non stop that only the maximum of the time that they haven't played a d&d session is three weeks. That's pretty good. So over the 35 years, I'll sit down and do sessions, but it's just it wouldn't be great to get them on our show. Whereabouts they live. Probably American. Yeah. Probably don't come out of their house. That'd be easy. We can go to them. Anyway. Oh, man, I feel so overwhelmed having to do a crash course. And the
Indeed something so nuanced and very new to one person who doesn't like that world one person who had no interest
whether I liked is such a difficult show
Simon tell it funny boy oh boy don't come
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so starting fed compete with Richard oh yeah yeah Simon tell a funny boy calm on my website though no one day in day in the show. Well maybe we can do it get you back into a proper game. I we could live stress.
Absolutely not if I read the book, to be honest.
You guys can play it.
How long does a session?
Listen If you're not super enthusiastic play d&d and not enthusiastic to read the book, learn the rules, then. Watch watch Lord of the Rings Josh and then what about what is he then writing the
What's the one? What's the the disease book The endemic endemic? Yeah, that's, I've heard of pandemic I think that makes a cooperative game. I'm going to look that up. I'm gonna buy the book again. Alright, so daily talk show. Thank you so much Tyler. If you enjoy the show leave us a podcast review by the daily talk show please don't miss that rolls into DNA. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I know. I missed a whole bunch of stuff. It was so hard. There's a lot of pressure I can do well, thanks. Oh, wait, wait don't know. Yeah. You should have said it's a role playing game. Josh read the book. That's what should have happened.
Instead 16 minutes. It was right cinema, guys.