Low energy and nothing to say

Josh: It's the Daily Talk Show, everyone.

Tommy: Happy 61st episode. 61st episode. And also my, um, 2-year anniversary since I proposed to my wife Amy, my now wife Amy.

Josh: And you're, uh, sorry, I'm just eating some chocolate. Yeah, yeah, he just came back from the dentist, so you're just spending it with me.

Tommy: Yeah, we're recording this episode and it's currently 10 past 7. I'm gonna go home and see her. And we— so I made a video.

Josh: You're making out like that's a treat. I'm gonna go home and see her. That's where you live.

Tommy: No, it's a treat though. It's nice if it's a treat that I get to go home and see you. Yeah, that'd be— it'd be more of a— it's like, Josh, can I sleep here tonight? Because it's a pain going home. That would be bad.

Josh: As an adult, have you had many cases where friends will just stay at your place?

Tommy: No, um, no.

Josh: We had it happen once. I think it was exciting. It was probably like 4 years ago.

Tommy: See, you don't have pisshead friends, or you don't— or you don't like— you're not amongst the pissheads, because that's when it happens, right? You get pissed and you can't drive home, so just crash on the couch.

Josh: Yeah, well, we had friends over the other day and we actually drunk some wine, some red wine.

Tommy: So fucking letting loose, Joshie boy.

Josh: Had some Pinot, had some Shiraz.

Tommy: Now, do you know the difference between Pinot and Shiraz? Shiraz, just to your taste buds?

Josh: Yeah, um, sort of very, very dark, sort of good with meats, um, really sort of almost like, um, meat stock.

Tommy: See, the thing is, you know this because you fucking— you absorb everything. You probably heard this at a, um, some sort of like wine test tasting. You are—

Josh: I don't remember this shit, but I just— I don't know why, but this is stuck. And then Pinot's a little bit lighter, a bit fruitier.

Tommy: It's the milk chocolate and the, and the Shiraz. Yes, the dark chocolate. Yes, we're using a chocolate analogy.

Josh: Well, I think if you're using a chocolate analogy, potentially the Pinot is a 70% A Shiraz is like an 85. Okay. And then you've got a rosé, which would be milk with a bit of extra flavor, a bit of bubbles.

Tommy: Oh, they're not even the same. Yeah, true. That— yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the keeping the all the actual reds in the dark chocolate category. And then, and then you got like a Sauvignon Blanc. It's a little white chocolate.

Josh: Yeah, because, uh, Blanc means white. There you go, I think.

Tommy: But, um, white wine isn't white, it's like fucking bit yellow.

Josh: I mean, it's very confusing, isn't it?

Tommy: Um, your parents are still together?

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: Uh, my parents are still together, they've been, been going strong. It's, um, so we can't talk about divorce really, which is what I was getting at.

Josh: Yeah, what, no, what, like, uh, what, so you're using your 2-year mark of engagement to talk about? 2 years?

Tommy: No, we've been married. This is just the engaged. And the rea— you know, the reason I knew it was— the only reason I knew that we got engaged today was Facebook Memories. Yeah, of course. A photo of Amy holding up her ring.

Josh: Oh, that's nice. If you remember, or did you say a finger ring?

Tommy: Not her. No, I, I remembered it, and then I messaged her and said Happy anniversary of our engagement. And we made— I made a video, um, we've talked about on this podcast where I got her to re-dub the bit where she says, "I do." Yeah, because you didn't have clear audio. Yeah, and you gave me the gist.

Josh: I suggested.

Tommy: Yeah, appreciate it.

Josh: Which was good. And you've just posted the video onto LinkedIn because, uh, it's a bit of a test. Hashtag— well, it's not, it's just all for hashtag all for content. I said that I wanted you to put the, uh, the text with the video to be, 'Has anyone else gotten engaged?' just for content.

Tommy: And I decided not to go with that.

Josh: So you've already got people on there, you've got congratulations, congratulate Anthony on his 8 years.

Tommy: Um, so yeah, what was I getting at? The, um, divorce.

Josh: You told me that if I had all this dark chocolate, it was going to pep me up and look at me.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, true. Josh has been a bit flat before today's episode.

Josh: No, I think—

Tommy: Energy-wise.

Josh: Yeah, it's a flat— Well, what's the other type of flat?

Tommy: I don't know, flat like sad.

Josh: Oh, okay, sure.

Tommy: Like your mood.

Josh: Still in energy, I think.

Tommy: Yeah, energy, you're just energy flat.

Josh: I think I was doing a— I was going to edit and surprise you with the highlights package of the Daily Talk Show. And so, I just went through and I— Because I've got all the original files. And then I realised once I got to episode 2, there was just no way of doing it.

Tommy: Josh, this is— are you getting the same pleasure out of if you finished it and you were telling me that you just made this and showing me?

Josh: I gave it a go, but then the reason I bring it up is because my tone was like this throughout the whole thing.

Tommy: Oh, episode 1.

Josh: Yeah. So the note-taking still going strong, still doing that.

Tommy: From yesterday's— we spent nearly the whole episode talking about fucking note-taking.

Josh: Yeah, is that a criticism?

Tommy: Well, we can't back it up today. Yeah, second that.

Josh: Okay, well, how about this? I, um, let's see this Frankie magazine that's just here.

Tommy: It's quite nice.

Josh: Yeah, so I, um— what would you pay for it without looking at the price tag?

Tommy: Um, I couldn't tell you the last time I bought a magazine. What I would— what I think you would probably pay for it is, um, uh, $14.99.

Josh: Okay, so I, uh, went— I, uh, saw it, it grabbed my attention, and then I looked at the price tag, and, um, there was a bunch of— there was a bunch of these magazines, Frankie, all sort of piled up, and it was, um $4.95.

Tommy: How the fuck do they make any money?

Josh: Well, so this is the thing, they wouldn't because that wasn't the right price, but they— there was an another shitty magazine that was meant to be there. And so for whatever reason, I was like, well, that was interesting because I then saw Frankie on the other side of the, um, sort of, uh, stand on another stand on another sort of pay area. And it was $15.

Tommy: Okay, so I was spot on the money. Yes, $15. And so did you get it for $5?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: And so you told them that it was in the system?

Josh: So I said to the guy, I just said to the guy, hey, it's coming out like it says that it's, uh, $4— it was actually said $4.50, but I fucked up and I said $4.95. And then he scanned it through, he's like, oh no, that's not right. And then he's looked, he's like, ah, someone's done all this wrong. Oh. He's like, uh, he's like, um, trying to fix them all up. He's like, oh look, I'll, um, so sorry about this, I'll scan, I'll put it through as $4.95 for you.

Tommy: Okay, I remember there used to be, I don't know if it was a rule, but it was always like if a clothing had the wrong tag on it, you'd have to pay, you get to pay what that tag says.

Josh: Yeah, which feels like it sets themselves up for like fraud.

Tommy: 100%. I remember being a little punk-ass kid who saw on an expensive thing of meat, um, I'm sorry, I found next on a cheap piece of meat a sticker, pulled that off, whacked it onto the expensive piece of meat.

Josh: Yeah, well, that's just stealing, isn't it? Well, you were a punk kid.

Tommy: As a punk kid, something a punk kid would do.

Josh: For me, I'd never do that now with protein.

Tommy: I think it's for chops. Chops are always a bit fucking expensive.

Josh: P.O. box update. Got something in the P.O. box. Did you? Well, it was, um, it was something that I got, or like I ordered online. I don't know if I mentioned my, um, jerky.

Tommy: Yes, yes, yes.

Josh: On the podcast.

Tommy: He bought 20 packs of jerky.

Josh: Yeah, uh, half price, which is still $6. It's a lot. Well, the only time I've ever bought jerky was in the, um, at like an airport.

Tommy: And they overpriced the shit out of it.

Josh: Yeah, or like a, uh, maybe like a pit, like a gas station in the US where it's like, oh, I want something a little bit healthy.

Tommy: And they're in, um, they're not in packets over there. Like, have you seen, have you seen in the States they've got like jars?

Josh: Yeah, I've seen that.

Tommy: Sticks. So like Servos, have you— at the service stations you could— there was like jars at the front that had jerky. You just lift it up.

Josh: Well, no, this— you know what I do remember of the gas stations is the clusterfuck that is the, uh, paying by card. Did you have this? No, this issue— our international credit cards can't be used at the gas station. So normally— nah, yeah, so you normally you pay at the, at the fucking bowser. Yeah, yeah, uh, but it doesn't work.

Tommy: I said—

Josh: and so the thing is you can't do it. They need you to put in the credit card, you then fill up the petrol. So they make you— you have to go in, you have to then guess how much, pay it, fucking fill it up and hope it's close.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: It's a clusterfuck.

Tommy: I think I do remember having to pay first the amount and then go out and fill it up to that amount.

Josh: Yeah. Have you, um, have you ever gotten a real bargain? So obviously this Frankie Magazine was a real fucking bargain. Have you ever taken advantage?

Tommy: It was the bargain of putting the cheap—

Josh: well, Bree was like, it's a bit, uh, it's an interesting mag for you to buy. Why?

Tommy: Because it's pink?

Josh: Yeah, it's all very female focused.

Tommy: I think you bought it for the aesthetics of it, not the actual content of it. No, why are you buying a magazine anyway?

Josh: I know, as a minimalist. Uh, no, I just thought it just Just a bit of inspo, bit of aesthetic.

Tommy: Have you got any inspo?

Josh: Haven't opened it yet, but I will. But do you know what the thing that's been taking up most of my brain in the last few days? Trying to work out what to bring when we travel.

Tommy: We spoke about this, weren't you making a list on yesterday's podcast?

Josh: What was the— Oh, did I literally put together a list?

Tommy: No, you said you were working out.

Josh: That was more of the notepad type stuff.

Tommy: Working out what you're going to bring. I think you're overthinking the whole travel thing. It's easy when I'm not going traveling, but I've overthought every time I've gone and been so pissed off that I've taken an extra suitcase worth of shit.

Josh: So that's the thing, that's because you overthought and put too much stuff. What I've been thinking is I don't want to take anything that's unnecessary.

Tommy: I think you need to go away feeling anxious that you have fucking nothing.

Josh: Well, I think that that's what I wanna try and do, have absolutely nothing on the trip, but I need, as content creators, it's a little bit trickier.

Tommy: With camera gear.

Josh: Yeah, because it's like, okay, what do I, from a lens point of view, what do I take? What cameras do I take? Do I just, I guess I just take the 1DX.

Tommy: Mate, I think now travelling with camera gear, what's the one camera you actually use the most? It's the FS7, but that's the size of your head.

Josh: Yeah, I mean the iPhone, if that's what you were getting at. Like, I mean, I use my iPhone for photos a lot.

Tommy: You saw I pumped out 7 videos while I was away for 4 weeks.

Josh: Yeah, was that on the Osmo?

Tommy: I used the Osmo because it gave me like that Steadicam look.

Josh: You're about to describe like 4 different cameras that you used.

Tommy: No, I used the Osmo and my G7X. So it was the thing I chucked in my pocket. Yeah, and then the one that I had, like a little, um, it's like a little— looks like a mini ukulele in a, in a, um, in a, in a little, uh, it's cool. And anyway, I use that, but I wouldn't take that away again, I don't think. But you just— one camera that you'll use more, because what will you do with it?

Josh: Well, so what way is it— Bree and I try to work out is obviously how much we want to work while we're away. And also how much we might— if we're in some fucking cool— if we end up like making pizzas and shit in some fucking cool part of Italy, you're so awesome to have like slow— but yeah, but there's that bit where it's like, fuck, it'd be cool to do something super cinematic and super beautiful.

Tommy: You can make it look pretty good. What about you go away and the whole trip is you seeing how cinematic you can get a fucking Sony RX1000?

Josh: I feel like that's the advice I'd give someone who's just getting started, but I there's that part of me which is like, I've been there. I don't like— I don't know, maybe it's a good limitation.

Tommy: Yeah, I think it is. I think working to what it is, because I made some seriously good footage out of the seriously low-end cameras.

Josh: Hard to do now though, going back with everything you're using, or no?

Tommy: Oh no, I'd buy a new camera now, but I'd just be an RX100. That G7X is out of date now. I bought it as I was going through duty-free. So, oh, duty-free. And then I realised to put it on my, my business so I don't actually get the fucking GST back from it. Yeah, I should have just bought it.

Josh: You fucked it, you fucked it.

Tommy: But seriously, just don't overthink it. It's a holiday, I think.

Josh: Yeah, well, I think that that's the thing. I think we're trying to work out whether how much of it is a holiday. We're sort of communicating it as a work slash—

Tommy: well, unless you're making money. While you're over there?

Josh: Well, it's, it's a, it's a, it's work in the sense of working on our craft. So making stories. So maybe my One Story Up series that I did, you know, the episode with Christian Hull, maybe we try and do 5 of them while we're away.

Tommy: I had a conversation about a friend of mine. I said to him, what do you think you should— do you think you I would say, why isn't it that you— I said, why don't you create content for your business? Like, is there a reason? And it was around—

Josh: what sort of business does he have?

Tommy: Video production. Yeah, like personal content.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it was all around he— the— what he was saying to me. Sorry, that fucking typing's— can you hear the typing?

Josh: No, you can't hear it.

Tommy: You can hear it?

Josh: That's fine. I kept thinking about it, you know, when you're just thinking about it in the background. Typing. No, it's—

Tommy: she's actually lowered the sound of her tapping. That's amazing. She's turned down the volume of her taps.

Josh: Appreciate it. Anyway, I feel like Bree hasn't heard an episode lately and she thinks that this— I feel like this has been a boring as fuck episode so far. I don't think—

Tommy: because you brought up notepads and I've got fucking— working out what to put in your bag while you travel.

Josh: I like feel hot. Look how much I'm sweating.

Tommy: I can't see the sweat. So anyway, so you're speaking to a, uh, yeah, and he was saying, oh, I'd like to— basically the essence of our conversation was all around him wanting to make sure it's high production value to put it out. And I said, was there a limitation to that for you around it being, you know, shot by a bunch of different people, directors, and writing scripts? And I mean, what you could relay from that is what you're saying. Yeah, maybe you just try something, because I think you could create some seriously epic looking shit with devices because you know how to use camera and work them to their full capacity.

Josh: Yeah, I just think that it's a, um, you know, you get, you get to a point where you could definitely do that, but I guess it's the, it's working out where you want to play in. Like, what can you, if if you're gonna spend the time— so if I spend all this time capturing content, maybe I'm better off using— like, maybe it makes sense for me to use the best thing that I have, in the sense of like bringing something that's really, really good and doing a good job of it, rather than— like, I think that what it would do is it would— like, for instance, if we see good— like amazing stories, and I capture this great storey I feel like I'd always have that anxiety of like, I wish that I gave this the respect of my full craft, which is, you know, amazing cinematography, which equipment does come into that, right?

Tommy: Do you agree? For story, I think look at what does well online, and if you— and if you're— if your mission is to tell a storey and make it and have it connect with people. I don't know if it is all about that. And I know that you could easily look at— no, we need the equipment. It's like, but there are plenty of people making massive impact.

Josh: Yeah, definitely. But I don't know if that's the, um, that's the reason of their impact. It's big. They have success despite their lack of production value potentially.

Tommy: What is it? It's the storey then.

Josh: So it's like, absolutely. So what might—

Tommy: if you were to not use gear as technical as you do, whatever, if you weren't to use the big cameras you do and you were to focus on the storey and use whatever, just easy basic shit, would that mean that you tell more stories?

Josh: Yeah, well, so I think that's a— this is the thing, right? And this comes down to lean filmmaking, uh, which a friend of mine, Kylie Eddy, has sort of really built out, and she's writing a book on at the moment. But it's the Yeah, that idea of, you know, quick iterations and, and making stuff. And so for me, I actually do, do lean productions, right? You think about like compared to a lot of, uh, filmmakers, I actually use way less gear than a lot of them already, right? But now I think definitely, um, it does get harder and harder to say, okay, well, if I'm really— if I, if I have this level of storytelling through this there is— it is hard to fucking dial it back. I, I completely agree with what you're saying. The best camera you have is the one on you. But what happens if you have the option of bringing whatever camera you want? Then you have to work out, okay, what's— how more uncomfortable is it going to be for me to carry a bigger camera than a smaller camera?

Tommy: Horrible around Europe. It makes me hot and anxious thinking about you walking through the streets of Italy with 20 kilos of filming gear which you'll use twice. Yeah, it's crazy. I, I did it. I took that fucking— I took a 70D with a couple of lenses and it— and, um, a GoPro. Like, it fucking pissed me off. Yeah, so annoying. I had this uncomfortable backpack plus our other suitcase. It was just horrible.

Josh: Uh, you're going to Bali?

Tommy: Yes. Yeah, I've got to— I've got to go to a wedding. But we're going to Bali for 9 days to enjoy ourselves. I'm not going to take— I'm going to take so little.

Josh: Yeah. Is the whole Bali wedding thing— You've been to one before.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: What's the deal? Like, is it super— Is it a lot cheaper doing it that way?

Tommy: You get a bit more bang for your buck. It's definitely in— I don't know where you can match those kind of venues in Australia.

Josh: What's the pros and cons for doing overseas wedding, do you think?

Tommy: Shitting yourself because you've drank the water.

Josh: So that's the con? Yeah.

Tommy: Um, cheaper. You can definitely get more for your, your money. Yeah, spend $20,000 here versus $20,000 there.

Josh: How does it change the dynamic of the whole experience, do you think? It definitely brings people together, like actually having people to travel along and stuff because you're going to be spending all this time together.

Tommy: And I think one of the cons is thinking that you need to hang out with all these people. Yeah, it's a bit different now that I've got a family. It's like we could be off doing our own thing, we'll come to the wedding, and then we're going off to do our own thing. And but when you're there with like your fam, like for my brother's wedding, there was very much more of— I didn't really have any alone time. We were around everyone constantly. And then that was friends and family. But dude, being with 30 people at a fucking night spot, like in like Potato Head where I met Amy, my wife. Yeah, I met her on that trip for my brother's wedding. Like having this amazing— like all your best friends overseas, it's just a different vibe. It's just, it's not like you just bumped into them down the pub. Yeah, it's like you're in this other country and We, um, don't know who I'd invite. Well, it's in— my brother said, oh, I reckon we won't get that many people, but they invited just as many people, just as many people as they would if they had one here in Australia.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And fuck, they got a lot of people saying good excuse.

Josh: And so what's the, what's the protocol? Do they— what do they pay for? They pay for food and shit of it. They pay for like per head Yeah, I think, and then people pay for their flights and a comm and all that sort of shit. Yeah, maybe if you're a groomsman or something, they might fucking flip you some accom— not even that.

Tommy: Oh, so my brother— I know I chipped in for our— we chipped in a small amount. It's different for everyone, whatever your position is financially. I paid maybe $250 for some accommodation. Yeah, there was 2 nights around the wedding. Yeah, night of— uh, night before the wedding, night of the wedding. And that just helped them out. I think they— because we had a sick villa. But, um, we stayed— oh my fucking God, our friends had a $5,000 villa. Um, a night, very cheap. Oh, okay, 5 grand a night. Oh my God, had its own private chef. Yeah. And it has its own—

Josh: it had its own private—

Tommy: on a cliff.

Josh: Fuck.

Tommy: The house, when you walk through it, there was like— you were walking above water. It was like, oh my fucking God, it was— it's called Alila Villas.

Josh: I like how you say that. Alila.

Tommy: It's crazy. It was the best. It was the best thing ever. Slept on this bed, would have had 70,000 sheet count, 3 count.

Josh: I mean, thread counts, I feel like I watched a doco the other day which said they're all bullshit. But, um, travel agents and doing all of this stuff, do you— when was the last time you used a travel agent?

Tommy: I, I don't think I've ever used one.

Josh: It's one of those—

Tommy: sorry, I used one. A friend of mine's dad, I used him to go to America, and I got super— he got us cheap flights, tell you that much. United, Melbourne, LA, LA, New York, New York, Vegas, LA, Melbourne for $1,700.

Josh: That's really good. I mean, it's on fucking United, which I hate. I've actually never gone United, but were they okay?

Tommy: Yeah, we had a good one.

Josh: Well, I wanted to— I was thinking about, um, trying something different. I wanted to get your thoughts on it, whether you think it's a waste of time and money, uh, using a service like Upwork. Upwork's used for, uh, you know, graphic designers. I've used it for motion graphics people, that sort of thing. Hire a virtual assistant that's based in wherever we're staying. For instance, Italy. You know, we're spending some time in Italy. They'll cost $25 an hour and get them to organise some stuff for us locally.

Tommy: To do what? What kind of stuff?

Josh: That's the bit that I haven't worked out.

Tommy: What could it be?

Josh: So basically saying, okay, we want to go to this— we want to spend X amount of time in Sorrento. Can find out the— these bookers, restaurants and stuff as I describe it. It's a waste of time, man.

Tommy: Do you know how we found restaurants?

Josh: Just walk around?

Tommy: No, like, just ask people. So we're on the train going from fucking, I don't know, Pisa or something to Sorrento, and we met this girl and she just said, oh, I'm just coming back. I've stayed— I've been there for a month.

Josh: Was she Australian?

Tommy: You got to go to this place, it's next to this bag store, you'll see it, it's called this. And then we fucking stumbled upon it. It was the best. And then we asked this other person where— and I'll tell you this place in Sorrento.

Josh: Yeah, so we don't have to speak seafood restaurant on the water. I don't really like seafood that much.

Tommy: I don't give a shit. Eat fucking— when you're there, if you've never tasted it, you've never tasted freshness like seafood in Italy, like seafood.

Josh: More than Delish Fish in Port Melbourne.

Tommy: Seafood pastas, I'm meaning, not just a piece of fish.

Josh: What do you do? What annoys me about seafood pastas is the shells.

Tommy: What? Yeah, because you get to eat around it.

Josh: It's so fucking annoying. It's half the dish.

Tommy: I think that— what are you gonna eat then, a piece of pizza?

Josh: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Well, yeah, I don't know. What, what did you— what do you— every place you went to, I want to know what, what were you eating? So like Greece? Yeah, Greece.

Tommy: What, um, souvlakis?

Josh: What sort? What? Because they don't do lamb that much, right?

Tommy: Did I tell you that?

Josh: Mum did.

Tommy: Has she been there? Yeah, yeah, they don't.

Josh: I was pissed off and she probably was like, I just want a lamb souvlaki like they do at Delish Fish.

Tommy: Well, I look like probably some fucking asshole tourist that said to them, oh, I just want like, you know, the traditional one, the lamb one. And they're like, we do lamb like once a year, buddy. Easter.

Josh: Yeah, really? Well, why Easter? Why?

Tommy: I think the Greeks get, get together and do some big Easter. It's like a— I don't know why, there's some sort of—

Josh: So it was— Is it pork? Is that the one that everyone—

Tommy: They do a lot of pork. Yeah, pork and, um, beef.

Josh: But okay, so souvlakis.

Tommy: Souvlakis.

Josh: Better, better in Greece than in Melbourne, you reckon?

Tommy: I actually prefer them in— I prefer them in Melbourne. Okay, there's some like Melbourne Melbourne has some seriously fucking great food. It's true.

Josh: Um, Bree said a line the other day, um, uh, I caught her, I pulled her up on it. She was speaking to a relative. Is that my phone vibrating or is that yours? I mean, um, around, um, Bree just got the signal.

Tommy: Bree just gave us a signal. You can't tell that story. Okay, I like that. That's good.

Josh: This is—

Tommy: you've just been tapped out of a story. I so want to know the story. What did Bree say?

Josh: No, yeah, you'll, you'll, uh, you'll know never know. It was pretty low level.

Tommy: Italy, the thing with, um, Italy is you eat, you eat pizza for a couple of days and you're fucked. You feel indigestion, like you feel like this, you're sort of holding your throat. You know when you've been eating too much carbs and you actually feel, you feel like acid, like, yeah, acidic.

Josh: Yeah, that's like my life.

Tommy: So that's what you— you're fucked.

Josh: Well, so I think what I'll probably do— Italy, cheeses, salamis, all of that shit— just go fucking bit keto.

Tommy: That's what will send you feeling like that too, I think.

Josh: I'll feel a bit cloggy, maybe a bit clogged up. I might be able to shit.

Tommy: The good thing is you can go to delis and actually just get like a pide made up fresh. What's a pide? Pide.

Josh: What is that?

Tommy: It's just like a, you know, the, like, the roll. It's like a roll or like a— sorry, panini. Panini. Panini. Panini. Okay. Yeah, so good.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then Spain. Spain, the food was very salty for me from what I had. Like, they just seemed to put— put— and we had some nice restaurants. So salty. I think coming from Australia, It like, we're so fucking spoiled here with the consistency of like, you know, salads and just fresh produce.

Josh: Yeah, I had a mate in Barcelona, uh, he's American.

Tommy: Diet salt?

Josh: Salt overdose? No, but he complained at a McDonald's because his Quarter Pounder was dry. He said like, nah man, this isn't how you make them.

Tommy: That's what I did. That's what I have done though. I've eaten Macca's in most places I've gone to around the world.

Josh: Yeah, you gotta give it a bit of a try.

Tommy: Well, I did it. Oh, here's one. America. Yeah, I was like, oh, they've given us a fucking cheeseburger for free here.

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: Oh, well, I ordered a cheeseburger meal and you weren't happy. No, I got 2 cheeseburgers. They have like a thing where they— it comes with 2 cheeseburgers.

Josh: That's a standard. Fucking America.

Tommy: It had— there was a standard one, we got that. I was like, fuck, they like this. And then I looked after it. It's like, no, it comes with 2 cheeseburgers, chips, and drink.

Josh: Fuck, that does remind me, uh, we— Bree and I were staying at a hotel the other day, and, um, I'm just waiting to see whether I get the fucking signal where I can't tell the story. But she knew the, uh, uh, general manager was saying her name, Soph. Hang on, and, um, she's just— okay, thumbs up, you can say it. Okay, and then, um, I didn't hear what Bree just said.

Tommy: She just said don't say the hotel's name.

Josh: And I've changed the person's name to Soph. Okay, we're staying at a hotel and, uh, Bree knew the general manager. And, um, when we, when we got there, Bree's like, oh, Soph has given us an upgrade. Oh, Soph, like, she was really— yeah. And then they were showing us around the room and there was like a champagne in our room for us. She's like, "Oh, Soph has just gone, you know, above and beyond." Anyway, we were at dinner, we booked a dinner through Soph at the hotel restaurant, and the guy said, "Oh, you're at the chef's table. That's the best table in the house. Here, just come this way." And they said, "Look, just to start off the night, we'll give you something special. We got some snacks complimentary." to enjoy. And Bree's just like, "Fuck, Soph has looked after us so much. This is ridiculous." And then we look around, everyone else is fucking getting the same free snacks. And so there was this ongoing thing where she kept saying it, and it came to a head when we were leaving the hotel and we bump into Soph. We weren't expecting to see Soph there. Bree's like, oh, thank you so much. So actually, I've got you a little gift just to— just as a thank you. And Soph's like, why? I haven't done anything. I'm like, yeah, Brad told you, she fucking hasn't done anything. We're just— we're just at this hotel and this is how they roll. So that would—

Tommy: that made me laugh a lot. Soph's a piece of shit.

Josh: Yeah, Soph didn't fucking look at—

Tommy: well, hopefully, fuck all for you.

Josh: Hopefully next time Soph will look after us. Everyone, it's been a very, uh, fucking tired Daily Talk Show. What are we going to call this app? Maybe the— it's a bit fucking boring. Um, Low Energy.

Tommy: Yeah, Low Energy.

Josh: Low Energy. It's got, um, Low Energy and Nothing to Say. I think that might be it.

Tommy: Everything— everyone will listen to that.

Josh: Uh, don't review us if you've just listened to this one.

Tommy: Go back. Yesterday we were talking about like holding on to stuff that you've had for a long time. For instance, my mum's got a whole bunch of stuff from her childhood, my childhood, at our family home. She wrote to me today, "Reep 60, that's it, I'm throwing everything out." And did like a funny face and a wink face. I said, "If you didn't tell me, I wouldn't be sad, but now that I know you're throwing it out, I feel sad." Just keep it all. She said, "Then I won't do it then." So we still got it. But that was the whole point yesterday, was like I think we project this sadness that makes people just never be minimal in their keeping of stuff.

Josh: Yeah, all the emotion that's attached to the objects.

Tommy: All right, love you guys.

Josh: Thanks, have a good one. Bye. I can't even fucking work out how to turn the thing off.

Tommy: The red button.

Josh: No, it's not the fucking red button.

Tommy: Press the red button.

Josh: I'm doing the stop button. Bye.