Tommy's wife sings

Josh: It is the Daily Talk Show, everyone, and it is episode 39, and it's a Friday. Painting the picture, it is 9 PM on the dot.

Tommy: Yeah, it's nice.

Josh: We're in St. Kilda, beautiful balmy evening. We have the fan going and it's just sort of blowing air as it would.

Tommy: I mean, you've painted that nicely. There's fucking toys everywhere from my son. My wife Amy, she's sitting on the couch. We're sitting on the ground. Yeah, but it's nice. We're just—

Josh: I wonder if I— do you think lying back— remember, you— one of the only times you made me stop a podcast? Yeah, and start from scratch was from when I, uh, moved into a position where you couldn't see me and you didn't like it. Probably.

Tommy: You usually have a conversation where you're either looking at them or they're at least within your line of sight. You were behind me, you weirdo.

Josh: I like the idea of just like laying back right now.

Tommy: Oh, did you?

Josh: You would have heard that in my voice. I think this is quite nice and I feel like almost in a therapy session.

Tommy: You're looking up at the ceiling.

Josh: Is this what therapy— like, is this a standard therapy move?

Tommy: No, I don't know. Like the traditional therapy you see on movies where it's like they're lying on that couch.

Amy: Yeah.

Josh: But I don't know. When you did it at the kids, were you just sitting up?

Tommy: No, I was just sitting in the chair. Amy, you've been to therapy or psychologist. Have you ever laid in a chair doing it?

Amy: Just sat.

Tommy: Just sat. Yeah. I don't know. I think that's just Hollywood's made movies out to be— maybe it's rich people that live in New York and they get the mahogany chair because it's just like they're paying a grand for the session.

Josh: They're actually— they're paying for gold class psychology, you know. Um, how's your day been? It's a bit of a catch-up because I feel like you and I haven't spoken much lately.

Tommy: Yeah, well, we were meant to do Nando's lunch.

Josh: Oh, that's right.

Tommy: And we did it.

Josh: The cars are fucking coming past in St Kilda. Now that's a skateboard.

Tommy: Yeah, skateboarder. Because I'm a true skateboarder. No, no, that's just a kick push.

Josh: Um, what'd you call it?

Tommy: It's the song Kick Push by Lupe Fiasco. Okay, kick push. Kick, don't know it, push and coast. Anyway, uh, it's a cool person song.

Josh: Don't ever do that again.

Tommy: Yeah, I won't.

Josh: It's horrible. Well, Amy's laughing at me. You do it then, smartass. She doesn't know.

Tommy: Kick, push, kick, push and coast.

Josh: That's cool.

Tommy: It's a sick song. Anyway, there's a skate park.

Josh: So you went to Nando's?

Tommy: Skate park at the end of the street.

Josh: Oh, okay.

Tommy: And so I hear people doing— going past like 3 AM going down for a skate.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Anyway, that's weird. Went to Nando's. We— they stuffed up our order.

Josh: Okay, what did they do?

Tommy: It's always fucking—

Josh: this is always— now did you tweet them?

Tommy: No, no, no, no, no, this is the best kind of stuff. So they brought over 2 meals.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then brought over another 2 meals, and before you knew it, we were all confused because everyone was like, did you order that? No, I, I didn't know that. Did you get that? And so they just brought Double.

Josh: Did they realize?

Tommy: They didn't care.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then we had already started chowing into like the chips and stuff. Awesome. And next minute we just had an extra food.

Josh: Captain would have been wrapped.

Tommy: He was wrapped. I actually probably ate more of it, but I was happy. It was like, I'm sure they just would have taken it back to the kitchen and would have got cold. And so we put it to good use.

Josh: Have we spoken about our reaction at restaurants? I think we have. About whether you complain. I actually remember specifically Campton ordered a rice, I think, and they gave him chippies or something.

Tommy: And what did he say?

Josh: And I said, oh mate, they've fucked up your order. Like, we should say something.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he was like, nah.

Tommy: That's nice. I think we've talked about that on this podcast.

Josh: How was that in store, like in regards to stories? Was that—

Tommy: It was the worst. You said the word chippies.

Josh: Chippies. If it was a peri-peri rating of a story, it was a lemon and herb. Yeah.

Tommy: And you always want to go hot because it's never that hot.

Josh: If you could have the storey that I— or the question that I used to ask people to understand what they were like as a human, I'll get you to answer it. Okay. If you can have— if you could have— so, it's— there's two different versions of the question. I'll ask both of them. If you could have any cuisine,, in your house full-time, like a restaurant? Yeah. What would it be?

Tommy: The old me would have said Italian.

Josh: Yeah, I feel like when I asked you last, I was speaking to the old you.

Tommy: No, I would have said Mexican, because the thing is, the thing with Mexican, you can have it for everything.

Josh: You can have a bloody little taco. It's got, it's like You got your nachos, you've got everything, churros after it.

Tommy: Do you know what I was thinking?

Josh: Like, it's— so I would say Mexican as well. Yeah, but that was getting me— you just doing that then made me think, just you talking about like the real obvious conversation. And you're the one who asked this. I know, I asked the obvious question, silly question, but I, um, I was I was playing around with the idea. I was listening to this person having this conversation with someone. Yeah. At a restaurant, Bri and I were just listening and it was the most mundane thing that— Let's like, I'll tell you what the storey was. Yeah. And then you can try and see how you can, you can beat it from a mundane level. It's just such like a cliché, boring, filling in the gap stories.

Tommy: It's like, ah, Is this a Tinder date?

Josh: No, no, it was like a group of friends and they were talking about, they're like, oh, I've been thinking about getting a bike. And they're like, oh, really? Why? Oh, like, yeah, I'm just finding the walk to the train station is just that little bit too far.

Tommy: Oh no.

Josh: Like, oh yeah. Oh, it just felt like that you are just, it's such a basic fucking conversation. Like, it reminds me of the defaults that I get into with Uber drivers where I'm just like—

Tommy: What demograph were these people?

Josh: They were— They would have been in their late 20s, maybe early 30s.

Tommy: Was there men in the situation?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, there was. It was a— I think there was a guy. I think there might have been. There might have been one guy and two girls, maybe, would have been the dynamic. I—

Tommy: Amy, you and your girlfriends have some of the most basic conversations from my side, like from my view to it.

Josh: Amy's sort of looking— no, no, but what I know about it, she looks like—

Tommy: and this is like, this is the talking to the— like, I'm almost sympathizing, empathising for that group of people that you're saying is boring as fuck, because I look at Amy and she loves hanging out with a friend and just talking, it was back and forth, like, and it's like, it doesn't matter what the convo is. You could be talking about how you wanted a bike, but you're loving it. Is that true?

Josh: I mean, Amy doesn't have— Amy says— Well, fuck, I've been listening to some of yours and they've been rubbish. I just said, like, let's have a go. Let's try and go for a mainstream conversation. Um, you— I want you to start. This is our first time ever doing it.

Tommy: Maybe it's because you go so deep. Like, your fucking first question to me whenever we see each other, what was the highlight of your day? It's fucking 9 AM, dude. I got up for an hour and a half ago. Not much.

Josh: It's a way of you, uh, forcing gratitude.

Amy: Yeah, but it's—

Tommy: no, but it's super deep, right? So it takes a lot of thought. Sometimes you just want a bit of a surface.

Josh: So this is the perfect opportunity. All right. I'll do— Do you want me to start first?

Tommy: Yes, start.

Josh: Do you know what I was thinking the other day?

Amy: The—

Josh: I was thinking of trying YouFoods.

Tommy: You were?

Josh: Yeah, because I just— I'm feeling like I'm eating too much Uber Eats. And I saw a friend at work the other day and they had some of the little protein balls and it's from YouFoods.

Tommy: What does YouFoods cost?

Josh: Oh, they're— See, yeah, I was wondering that myself. Actually, and it breaks down to about $12 a meal.

Tommy: So what would you spend on Uber?

Josh: Oh, well, see, that's the thing. So it would be in the $5, like you'd have the $5 delivery. Ah, but the thing is that what I was trying to work out is if we were good at meal prep on a Sunday, we would definitely— it would be a lot cheaper. And then that's when you would intervene, like, yeah, 100% be cheaper, but you don't do it, Josh. I'm like, I know, that's why YouFoods is good for me.

Tommy: You want to have a conversation or you just Talking to yourselves now.

Josh: This is what the daily talk show— Michelle's feedback on the last one saying that I'm talking over the top of you. The best way to get around it is purely having a conversation with myself. I want to hear you. So that was— how do you write that in a basic conversation?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I've actually thought about YouFoods before, so I was kind of fucking— oh, but this is the thing, do you know you can get YouFoods in Like just little fucking—

Josh: Are you playing the game or not?

Tommy: No, I'm not playing your dumb game. It's a dumb game.

Josh: You go on about the uffage, you can get it from IGA.

Tommy: Yeah, they're like little ones in the city, like those Quickie Mart things.

Josh: You're literally doing exactly what I wanted. Can you please just have one go at a basic conversation? It's hard, isn't it, when you think about it? But just give it a go.

Tommy: Oh, this is the one I resort to. Oh, so how was the traffic on Punt Road tonight?

Josh: It actually wasn't too bad, but there was a tiny bit because of Ed Sheeran.

Tommy: You sure there's not— there wasn't delays in like up Punt Road near Abbotsford?

Josh: Oh yeah, near the corner. Yeah, there's been a bunch lately because of the construction.

Tommy: Punt Road's annoying, you know, in general annoying.

Josh: Yeah, it's almost like with Punt Road they got the letters on the front mixed up, you know.

Tommy: P with it, meant to be a C, right?

Josh: End scene. That was quite good.

Tommy: Not bad.

Josh: Yeah, Punt Road Gear.

Tommy: Fuck, I don't like playing your dumb games.

Josh: Can we, we need to do, I would love to build in some segments where we just have these regular things, you know, like Close the Loop that I tried to get off the ground.

Tommy: I'm glad that we haven't actually had too many more Close the Loops 'cause it just means that we've fucked up.

Josh: Yeah, it's true. It's true.

Tommy: Is there anyone listening to this that you have been surprised with?

Josh: Oh, like people who have reached out?

Tommy: From your world, yeah. Some people that you—

Josh: Oh, nah, nah. I'd be surprised that no one's listening. No, no, no. No, it was surprising hearing, getting the email from Jodie yesterday. You know, an old friend from high school.

Amy: Yeah.

Josh: Wouldn't have seen in 12 years or something like that. That was cool. What about you? Have you had any interesting people listening?

Tommy: Oh, I caught up with Gideon, who I talked about on yesterday's podcast.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Who said he had a few ideas for the podcast. I can't even fucking remember. Did he have ideas? We were talking about just video ideas. But one thing he did say was, I mentioned something about Telstra and he met— oh, and he said, no, he mentioned something about it. So he knew Like, and so they— Yeah, it's so, it's more interesting when someone reveals something that they've heard on it.

Josh: Oh, that's cool. No, I haven't had, to be honest, I haven't really interacted with people lately. The— You know that's true. You know that's true. Are you a— When it comes to a bill payer, how do you pay your bills? Are you a guy who, do you pay it on time? Do you get it direct debited?

Tommy: Amy pays a lot of them.

Josh: Yeah, good.

Tommy: Seriously, logistics of the house and like, I'm so thankful, Amy, that you pay all the bills for most, like all of the rent and that shit. How do you? So my point is I pay my phone bill.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Only because I said to Amy, I'm not going to put it on direct debit because they fuck the bills up sometimes.

Josh: Literally, that's my number one tip for people. Is do not put your phone bills as direct debit, because when those fuckers take $500 when they're only meant to take $100, getting that money back will be an absolute clusterfuck.

Tommy: And it's exactly what happened this month with my phone bill.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But then, Amy, how long does it take you to pay all of our bills?

Josh: We can actually bring her up to the microphone. This is Amy's first. This is cute.

Tommy: She's crawled up onto the couch.

Josh: Oh, this is really nice.

Tommy: How long does it take you to pay all of our bills? Each week?

Amy: I mean, 2 minutes, 3 times a month.

Josh: It's a big time investment.

Tommy: Geez, I'm not, I'm not giving you praise for that ever again.

Josh: Wow, it's actually easier than what we thought.

Amy: But it, it probably took me quite a few hours to work out the systems initially, but now that they're set up—

Josh: Amy's a bit off mic, Tommy, but that's okay, so she's gonna be a bit quiet.

Tommy: She's just having the punch through of my voice.

Josh: That's okay. Um, lovely voice though.

Tommy: Do you know Amy's a singer?

Josh: Bullshit.

Tommy: Amy's got an EP out on iTunes, Spotify.

Josh: This is fucking unbelievable.

Tommy: Did you know that?

Josh: No, I didn't know that. Do you play guitar as well?

Amy: No.

Josh: No guitar?

Tommy: No.

Josh: Can you, um, so now we've got an interview.

Tommy: Josh is interviewing.

Josh: Yeah, so this is a music— yeah, this is this. I've never done a music show, live music show.

Tommy: Josh, I'm the first interview, buddy.

Josh: Byron Cooke. This is bloody Australia's top music thing.

Tommy: So, uh, Amy's getting serious.

Josh: Yeah, this is great. So Amy, tell me, what, uh, what's your EP about?

Amy: Um, it's about a lot of things, probably mostly just relationships.

Josh: Or like your previous relationships?

Amy: Some, and some of the girl that I was playing and writing with, her relationships.

Josh: Okay, not your relationship with your the girl you're playing with.

Tommy: I see what you're— where you're going with this, you big weird unit.

Josh: What?

Tommy: You're just trying to press her on relationships.

Josh: No, I'm just— no, Amy said that. So, okay, interesting. And so how did the— did your love of singing come from Christianity, from church, from all that stuff?

Amy: Yeah, probably. And my mum was always singing, and my dad plays guitar. Okay. My brother plays bass, and my sister plays guitar and piano and clarinet.

Josh: And what instruments do you play?

Amy: I sing.

Josh: Okay, you sing.

Tommy: I'm sorry.

Josh: Yeah, I know, but I didn't know if you played. I thought I asked you if you played guitar. I'm sorry. So, can you— did you ever get into cover songs or were you always originals? Okay. Favorite cover song?

Amy: There's so many great songs.

Josh: You know, this is turning into a live set in a few seconds when we pick— tell me what song and I want to hear you punch it out.

Amy: I always really loved singing like a lot of jazz, so I liked singing.

Josh: Can you go something a bit mainstream? How about I make you comfortable by starting? I think this could be a good jazz.

Tommy: Oh no, mate, this is not about you and me.

Josh: Come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away.

Tommy: Bodhi's asleep. Our baby's in the other room.

Josh: Sorry.

Tommy: And he will have nightmares.

Josh: Was that jazz though? That's the only jazz song I know, Close Thing to Jazz. So go, Amy, can you sing us something?

Tommy: She's doing— No, but hang on, is that something that when people go, oh, you could, you know how to sing, can you just sing for us? Does that happen a lot?

Amy: Not really.

Tommy: She doesn't tell everyone that she can sing.

Josh: I've known Amy for 2 years.

Tommy: Yeah, but she doesn't go around telling people she's a singer.

Josh: This is where we're very different. Like, I know how to juggle, like, and I will—

Tommy: Yeah, mate, we've all seen on the live stream and we want to see less of it.

Josh: That's what was the embarrassing thing was I went to a I went to Quad Lock's office and was doing a bit of juggling for all the people and I was doing okay. And then one of the guys was like, oh, like just sort of took the balls and just started fucking juggling. He's like, oh, we got a fourth ball, can throw that. Mate, mate.

Tommy: Can someone chuck me that knife?

Josh: Can I have a chair? I was so embarrassed 'cause I'm like, here's this guy who wasn't really making a big deal of it, But Amy, can you sing us a couple of lines?

Tommy: Is it annoying though? Do you wanna sing?

Amy: I can.

Josh: Yeah, there we go.

Amy: The thing is though, obviously I haven't sung for a while and I haven't warmed up.

Tommy: Always the caveat around the creatives give the caveats of, yeah, I haven't done this in a while.

Josh: Yeah, I don't use this camera normally. I'm not sure what the native ISO is, but I'll try my best. It's pretty, like it's midday. It's gonna be this like harsh light.

Tommy: We don't have ND filters, so anything can happen. See, that really got Josh.

Josh: He knows his camera gear. That was great. The ND gear was good. Okay, Amy, so you're about to sing. Do you want to just—

Tommy: What do you want to sing? What's your favourite song?

Josh: So imagine that this is Australian Idol and really get into the mic, please.

Amy: Great. All right, I'm holding it now.

Josh: Yeah, thank you. And get nice and close to it, like how I'm holding it.

Amy: Is that all right?

Tommy: She knows how to hold a mic, you asshole.

Josh: Now, well, Yeah, that's good. I just want to make sure that we're getting her nice and clear. All right. And so, let's just pretend that I'm Simon Cowell. Yeah. Okay, ready?

Amy: Hi, I'm Amy.

Tommy: Hang on.

Josh: And can you say action? Action. Oh, okay. What's your name?

Amy: My name's Amy Jackett.

Josh: Okay, Amy, what do you do?

Amy: I work at an advertising agency.

Josh: What brings you here? This is what they say. This is good banter.

Tommy: Go.

Amy: I thought that my life would end up in one direction and here I am. So, I guess I'm just hoping for a new life.

Josh: Great, great, great. And what are you gonna say?

Amy: That's a pretty typical answer, I think.

Josh: Yeah, that's very good. Now you need a substory. So, what's happened to you? This is Amy clicking her head going how dark she wants to go. No, you've got a very supportive relationship relationship, everything's great. And what's, uh, what song are you gonna do?

Amy: I'm gonna do two lines of Fly Me to the Moon.

Josh: Okay, and yeah, when you're ready.

Amy: Fly me to the moon and let me play among the stars. Let me see what spring is like on Jupiter and Mars.

Josh: Beautiful. We need a round of applause.

Tommy: The golden buzzer.

Josh: Did you sing at your wedding?

Amy: No.

Josh: It's not the thing to do?

Amy: I think it's a thing to do, but I didn't do it.

Josh: I would 100% be singing. I'd be juggling, I'd be singing.

Tommy: No.

Josh: It'd be full. I'd have improv— 100% would have improvisation.

Tommy: You would have the most nose sweat I've ever seen going on.

Josh: I'd learn how to play the guitar. I'd learn how to do that thing with the cards. What's that called? Shuffling? Shuffling of the cards. Okay, so when do you bring it out? When was the last time that you actually sung?

Amy: One of my friends asked me to sing at her wedding and I hadn't sung for quite a while. So, and that was, I think, the first time Tommy ever saw me sing. And that was probably the last time.

Josh: Really? Tommy, what vibe do you get watching it? Did it give you a little, what did you say, dingle in your tingle? Is that tingle in your dingle?

Tommy: No, I definitely feel the nerves.

Josh: The nerves?

Tommy: The nerves. No, it's like, I think when your partner does something, it's like you feel their nerves as well, right?

Josh: It's, um, so you're just, just, just like—

Tommy: I wasn't in the room, I left. No, no, no, no, it was awesome. I actually Snapchatted that whole thing.

Josh: Oh really? Yeah, this must have been a while ago when people were on Snapchat.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I loved it, it was great. She did really well.

Josh: YouTube Stories, you were telling me about YouTube Stories.

Tommy: I've worked it out. YouTube Stories, it looks identical to Instagram, Snapchat Stories.

Josh: Isn't it amazing that they literally call it the same thing?

Tommy: Yeah, there's no fucking around. Just with that, we're copying. That's what Zuckerberg did. He's like, well, we've clearly copied the storey function and we're using it on Snapchat. Yeah, Instagram Stories gone. Fucking boom. It's like on the rise. He had like a hockey stick growth. Snapchat's continuously— I saw this cool graph. Yeah, yeah, uh, the other day of like the users of Instagram Stories.

Josh: Instagram, interesting. Uh, thank you, Amy, by the way, for being involved. Oh, would that have been us singing that caused that? Just watch that cable. Sorry.

Tommy: Oh, our baby boy, he just wants a bit more water. Um, but Instagram Stories Yeah, sorry, YouTube Stories. Yeah, you have to be invited, so you need to probably have a certain amount of subscribers to actually have access.

Josh: How's he going?

Tommy: What's wrong with him? Oh, he's in this screamy mood at the moment.

Josh: He's very— it sounds very cute though still. Is the, um, Facebook— Yeah, how much time you actually— like, if you were to go through social networks, where are you spending your time?

Tommy: Instagram, Facebook, or YouTube. I watch like, I watch long-form stuff on YouTube. Yeah, long-form, meaning 5 minutes and up. And so I probably spend, I probably spend more, more of my time there because I'm watching videos.

Josh: Yeah. How do you consume it? Is it on your phone?

Tommy: Is it on my phone? We don't have a smart TV like you that can, we can play back.

Josh: Do you, what do you think of the smart TV? Like when you're at our place Do you think the smart TV is good or do you think it's just a—

Amy: Sick.

Tommy: Fuck, it's so good.

Josh: Okay. So you would potentially do that, have that eventually?

Tommy: Yeah.

Amy: Yeah.

Tommy: We've actually got nowhere in our house really to put it. We've got a small place, but it's like, it's actually nice not having a TV.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: We see, we, if we want to watch something, we jump into bed together.

Josh: Cute.

Tommy: Getting away from the baby. He's in his room and we watch Netflix on our, on the laptop, which is nice. And so we just shut it off if we want to go to sleep. It's like, You gotta be in the lounge room. I actually think I'd prefer— I don't want to have a TV in my bedroom.

Josh: Now we talked about that the other day and we're talking about us as kids and TVs in bedrooms and things like that. I nearly, you know, I think that we all go through these stages, especially if you're in a flux of working hard.

Tommy: The sprint, we're talking about the sprint.

Josh: An extension of that. I think one of the things that you do is you self-medicate or you think—

Tommy: Drugs.

Josh: Exactly. No, no, no, but you, you realize, you say, okay, you know what, I'm gonna treat myself. And everyone's got their things. I nearly bought a PS4.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: From Amazon.

Tommy: Stupid.

Josh: It is fucking dumb, wasn't it? And it reminded me of, I was never into games as a kid. And my first job as a kid was I registered my business, Josh Janson Productions, when I was 14. And my first job was freelancing for a Channel 31 show called Rodders Life.

Tommy: That's right.

Josh: And I was paid— Hot rod show. Pardon? The hot rod show. Yeah, yeah. It's like a hot rod car show. And I was paid $24 per minute that I edited.

Tommy: That's great.

Josh: So, every minute that appeared on the show, I'd get $24. And I remember my brother convincing me, being like, man, you should get the Xbox 360, it'd be sick. And so I edited like 3 long-form interviews over a weekend and I got enough cash to get the Xbox 360 and bought the Xbox 360.

Tommy: Did you get an advance from your mum and you said you'd pay it back?

Josh: No, I literally like bought it myself 'cause the client was good.

Tommy: How was that client with paying?

Josh: Yeah, they're fucking amazing.

Amy: Oh, great.

Josh: But the thing was that I never used it. I paid $1,100 for it. And then—

Tommy: Man, what the hell?

Josh: I know. And then I sold it to my brother probably a year later for $300. So he won out of that.

Tommy: And he was the one that—

Josh: He was the one that suggested, you should get it, you should get it. And I sold it to him for like a fucking quarter of what I paid.

Tommy: The worst thing, your family actually outlaid $1,400 in total. It's true. So as a family, you really lost out. Your brother kind of won, but in the actual sense, he lost.

Josh: I remember I also sold, I've never sold, we've spoken about this and how bad I am at selling secondhand things. But what I did, I sell internally within my family. That feels easier. I remember I sold my G5, like my tower computer to my brother for $300 for whatever reason was always the, He was getting a good deal on all of his shit, but I bought— it was always because I was like needing to buy something and I bought— this would have been 2009 maybe, and it was a pen. And I see that Moleskine have brought one out now too, but it's a pen that has a little scanner at the tip and you buy special notepads and you write. And as you write, It appears, it saves it. So, like—

Tommy: Years ago, they were shit house.

Josh: Yeah, so they would save it. But the cool thing was, was that it was recording audio at the same time. Did you know about this? So, what you could do is if I was in a meeting, I could write notes and then I could press with my pen any part of the notes and it would play back the audio from that specific time.

Tommy: What are you, a robot? You can't just do this normally.

Josh: I know, but that was the thing, like, Where I feel like we haven't gone yet is in recording the, like recording our meetings, right? The, like we just haven't, that hasn't been a thing. Or do you, like, how would you feel if someone was coming to a meeting and said, "Hey, do you mind if I record this so I remember it?" Oh, I'd be happy with it.

Tommy: It'd be—

Josh: Do you think you'd get a bit weird? Would you start changing your language?

Tommy: Maybe. But yeah, I might definitely be a bit more choice with my words.

Josh: Choice, bro.

Tommy: A bit more choice. Yeah, um, but it's fine. But then the problem with that is like then you have to listen back to it, so you need to get in the pattern of listening back to something. And I've recorded interviews without people knowing on the phone just for mine, not nothing to put it out or anything, but just for me to think about What sort of interview?

Josh: Like client stuff?

Tommy: No, stuff with like, um, I remember I did that with my job interview.

Josh: I remember I ended up telling my friend who did the phone interview, who I later worked with. She was in HR. But yeah, no, I remember I recorded the conversation so I could play it back to Bree because I fucking knew.

Tommy: It's fine. I love, love the sound of your own voice.

Josh: That and job interviews.

Tommy: That's fucking weird.

Josh: I fucking thrive. Job interviews are a piece of piss. It is so easy to talk to someone and have a— but the thing is, like, job interviews are fucking dumb. They don't tell you anything.

Tommy: Job interviews at scale, like when there's 40 people coming in for the one role, is the silliest thing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I've always known that. It's like, I don't think I can shine in that moment.

Josh: Do you mean like group interviews?

Tommy: No, but like, like some roles, like I say, any, most jobs that are advertised online, there's probably 40 resumes coming through.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: How are you going to cut through with a resume? And then how are you going to cut through? Like once you, once you're there, right? It's like you're either putting on a show. So what I'm saying is all of the jobs I've got, I've never had, never done a straight interview.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That you'd call. It's always been through connections or, you know, knowing someone there that sort of allowed me to get in front of somebody and actually meet them one-on-one. Or so it's interesting. I've— yeah, I've heard that stuff.

Josh: Do you know the one thing, uh, that I don't think I've ever told you, which you might find interesting? You know, Visual Domain, the production company that's just on Nicholson Street? They specialise in like their whole niche was real estate videos.

Tommy: Interesting company.

Josh: I actually applied for like an account manager role there in 2010, I think it was. Just like sent them an email. I would have been a shocking, like that would have just been like middleman 101, like just being like literally, like no wonder I never got a call about it.

Tommy: They never called you back?

Josh: No, never.

Tommy: Sent your resume?

Josh: No, I sent like my resume and stuff, but it would have been all this editing and technical shit where you don't like— when they were, they would have only been at like, you know, 10 people or something like that at the time.

Tommy: They've got about 50 now.

Josh: Yeah. So, um, where have you— where are some of the places that you've— have you actually applied for places?

Tommy: Oh, I've handed a few resumes in when I was 17 at Jim's.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, and then after that, it's only when anyone's ever said 'Oh hey, can you send me an interview?' Oh sorry, 'Send me a resume.' And I was like, 'Fuck, I don't have one. All right, I'll put something together,' and sent one over. I honestly haven't used one.

Josh: Was your first job at a gym? What was your first?

Tommy: Yeah, but I walked in there. I walked in and I did hand the resume in, but I walked in and I spoke to the people. Yeah, that's the point of difference. That's the point of difference there, is that I actually went in and I can talk, even though then I was 17, shitting myself, and I was nervous and self-conscious, whatever. Yeah, but I still was like, you know, use the ability to connect with somebody on, on that, you know, on that level. So that was that, and then I just rolled into all the other stuff from any fast food stuff or any like real kiddie sort of roles. No, I did, um, paper round.

Josh: Oh, that's cute.

Tommy: I mean, me and James, we did paper rounds.

Josh: That's the fucking cutest thing I've ever heard. Um, that's where he got his arms from. Jeez, he'd be fucking smashing it through windows, wouldn't he?

Tommy: Yeah, I remember. Yeah, so there was a few other kids that did that. Like, I think James was even into the, um, the prescription rounds, like where you deliver medicine to, um, old people.

Josh: Drug dealer?

Tommy: No, no, not that kind, not that kind, too young. But there was like, yeah, um, what were they called? Prescription rounds. There was legit a thing, so you go and deliver the prescriptions. Probably doesn't happen anymore.

Josh: I would— nostalgia alert, but I'm getting fucking I'm loving this shit right now.

Tommy: Semi, you've got a semi.

Josh: I've got a semi and we're 31 minutes in, but I'll keep this short. But I just remember—

Tommy: It's never short.

Josh: I was— true. Um, I was really into, like, I actually remember now I was an employee of the school as well. I was part of like the chair monitors, so I would put the chairs out for assemblies, and if it was a full school assembly, I'd put out the carpet. I remember that. I also had—

Tommy: Would they pay you?

Josh: Yes, you're on the fucking books. You're a part-time worker. Not only that, I did—

Tommy: Were you in jail?

Josh: It has that vibe, doesn't it? No, I did all their filing. I was quite good at admin stuff. So, I would do— I remember I was getting paid to do like the newsletters, like putting the staple, like stapling the newsletters. But not only that, I'm getting fucked, I'm loving this. I'm fucking nostalgic. What are you talking about? All the filing and shit, but I remember the craziest thing that I did for them was cleaning graffiti from all of the lockers.

Tommy: Look out, Josh has gone crazy.

Josh: No, but I would have, I remember they gave me like aerosol black paint and you would just spray over them. I just remember like as a 14-year-old like, like coughing at home, I'd be like, I'd blow my nose, it would just be black because I wasn't like wearing any chroming. It would literally— I was chroming, I didn't even know it at the time. Geez, fuck, that was fun though.

Tommy: There was a kid at my school— this is— we'll finish on this because we've got almost gone over. His name is Hugh and he was running a fucking, a ring, a soft drink ring out of his locker. He'd buy— he'd sell the cans of Coke for a dollar cheaper than the school.

Josh: Yeah. And he, and he was making heaps of cash because he would have been like 70 cents, like, because what he was buying in pro— 55 or maybe even cheaper, 30 cents.

Tommy: Like, yeah, you know, buy slabs, 24, and then he's selling them for a dollar each. Like, he's probably making, you know, 15, but 10, 12 bucks a slab. But he was selling so many of them every day, kids were just coming to his locker. And like, even the principals got involved. Yes.

Josh: You can't do that. Oh, the principals weren't— I thought principals were going to get a drink. It was affecting their bottom line. I remember the canteen was trying to stop— I was the SRC president.

Tommy: Of course you were.

Josh: Yeah, they were trying to stop how many sausage sizzles we were doing because we would ruin their business. Because basically on sausage sizzle day, no one is fucking going to the canteen.

Tommy: That's interesting.

Josh: And I think— and they were contractors, like that was a contract. So, I feel like it was almost a conversation where they're like, guys, you get 5 sausage sizzles a year that you can use.

Tommy: And then you're done.

Josh: And then you're done. But that was one of my favourite storeys is the, as SRC president, me trying to get healthier options in the canteen. And I've got the email that I sent, which had my recommendations for healthy options. This was when I was 14. And I said, One of the healthy options were milkshakes. I just still, it's such a funny thing, isn't it? That my frame of mind was at a point where like, you know what, these soft drinks are fucking terrible for us. You know what we need? Milkshakes. Like little milkshake, milk's good for you. But the, yeah, on the soft drink thing very quickly, the features—

Tommy: You said this would be short.

Josh: I know, I know, no, no, this will be really short.

Tommy: This is, you've teared away 4 times.

Josh: This is what happens with nostalgia. It all starts connecting.

Tommy: Yeah, you get a semi-jab and you start running your mouth.

Josh: No, it starts like, it all starts connecting. But no, when we were at school camp, the teachers would bring cans of drink and they would use them as ways to get the kids to put their tents up and stuff. So, I remember being like, fuck, if I'd thought this through, I could have packed a whole thing of can. I was just trying to get out of stuff myself, right? So, I was like, if I could you know, give a can of Coke and they didn't touch it.

Tommy: You're the kid that didn't do it.

Josh: I know, didn't have the heart.

Tommy: As bad as saying I almost won the Melbourne Cup. I almost put the money on the person who won the Melbourne Cup.

Josh: Knowing isn't doing, guys, remember that. It's been the Daily Talk Show. We didn't get any emails today. Oh, we got one from Michelle who, um, was just giving me an update on the package. I'm very excited that we're receiving that. It should be Monday, I'd say.

Tommy: Next episode We're coming to you live from Krispy Kreme.

Josh: What are we, when are we, when are we doing that? Do we know? Are we doing it on Monday? We should, shouldn't we?

Tommy: Yeah, that's what we're doing. It's a public holiday here. So you'll, that was it.

Josh: So Bri and Amy will obviously help project manage and we'll, um, we'll do, I think I might actually fast tomorrow and Sunday in preparation. I know, I don't want to bring it, you know, you know how you had such a go at me about me talking about my food. I had two set about my peanut butter slice for breakfast. Two separate people asked to find out more. And, um, B-Mac, I saw your Facebook Messenger, mate. I'm shocking on that.

Amy: I'm—

Tommy: all it was was a piece of toast, guys. Just a nutty piece of toast. Piece of bread.

Josh: No, you're actually completely missing what it was.

Tommy: All right, we're done. Daily Talk Show, we'll see you from Krispy Kreme. And Josh can give you an update if he remembers of his silly piece of peanut butter.

Josh: And we're done.