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Josh: It's Tuesday, Tommy.

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: And episode 36.

Tommy: Yeah, we were just talking about episode 40 that's on its way and we're doing it from Krispy Kreme.

Josh: I'm excited.

Tommy: I've been tagging you in things from Krispy Kreme.

Josh: They remind me a lot of the shakes that I enjoy from Domino's. Remember I was sort of obsessed late last year?

Tommy: I didn't even know that Krispy Kreme did a bunch of shakes.

Josh: Oh, I did. It's a good— it's a good— like, if you're gonna fuck yourself by eating a donut, might as well wash it down, wash it down with some 7,000 calorie shake. The—

Tommy: I've, um, what do you reckon the most calories in a day you've eaten, just off the top?

Josh: Yeah, I think 15,000.

Tommy: Reckon 15,000?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And that wasn't— were you trying to?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Eat a lot? You just—

Josh: no, I mean, I'm sure I was trying to in the sense that I would have just been Eating non-stop. I'm trying to think of what that— where it would have been.

Tommy: That's a couple of pizzas, some desserts, like a bag of lollies. Yeah, a big lunch, like drinks.

Josh: I reckon most people who would reach that, you'd need to rely heavily on the sort of drinks you're having. So having like a thick shake will tip you over because it's essentially like Having ice cream, but it's like big and it's filled with sugar.

Tommy: That will be— We will be consuming a lot of calories this coming Saturday.

Josh: We'll see. I feel like I had a low cal day. I'll describe. I know—

Tommy: I'm already bored and I don't want to go into your—

Josh: We know that you're triggered, but I'll just quickly tell you. I had a peanut butter slice. Oh, actually, no, it's not a peanut—

Tommy: Why does anyone care about this?

Josh: Do they?

Tommy: What do they care about what you had for lunch yesterday?

Josh: It was breakfast. But no, you— Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right.

Tommy: Quick update from yesterday's storey I told about my son being bitten by another child.

Josh: We're closing a loop. Close the loop.

Tommy: Well, I went to pick him up yesterday and I was keen to look at his arm to see the bite mark. And we went up and got there maybe like 6:30, 6 o'clock, 6 PM, and we went in and got him and he seemed in good spirits. He was out just, you know.

Josh: Any bruises?

Tommy: Hanging out with kid. And I saw his arm.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And there is a little bite mark. It's like little baby teeth. It's cute. So, I said to the educator, that's what you call them, Josh, educators.

Josh: Educator, yeah.

Tommy: I said to them, "Oh, who did it?" And they said, "We can't disclose that information." I was thinking, "God, they keep this under wraps." That is so funny, isn't it? And yeah, and but then I thought, okay, I reckon I might be able to work this out based on everyone's teeth. Like, hey, little boy, how many teeth have you got, eh? Because there was maybe sort of 2 at the bottom. There was probably about 5 teeth.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It was a 5-teeth mark. So, I reckon if I just keep an eye out to see the other kids.

Josh: Let's try it. Let's just spend 30 seconds trying to deconstruct how we can find out who it is.

Tommy: What's the teeth? That's what I think. That's the only way. Maybe. Asking some of the other parents, "Oh, yeah, it's funny, Bo— Your daughter bit Bodhi's arm." Just lead in with that they did it.

Josh: I reckon, oh, look, another tactic could be if there's a kid that's like wearing a mouth guard. I wonder, like, I wonder what their process— What you'd probably do to find out, you need to say, "What's the process? How do we know it's not happening again?" And if we see some little kid that's like behind some sort of barrier, like it—

Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, the approach is just like being cool with the educators. Oh, yeah, you know, this stuff happens.

Josh: Oh, who was it?

Tommy: Nah, you can tell me. It's fine. Like get real friendly with them.

Josh: Yeah, it was Daniel, wasn't he? Play them off.

Tommy: Well, Chana mentioned the other educator. I could say like one of the others mentioned it was this kid and they're like, oh no, it was this kid. That's a good ride.

Josh: That's a good—

Tommy: Just leading them down the wrong path.

Josh: Or just being like, oh, mate, this would be something Bodhi would do. I feel bad for the parents. Are they okay? Was it single parent? What's— Was it Janice? But the thing, I guess that it's different. I reckon probably the differentiating factor with this case is that they're still babies, right? I reckon once they get to like 4 years old, then everyone's got their little personality in a bigger way. And you just— I just remember being in, you know, there was the naughty kids at— in kinder. Yeah. And that they would swear a lot. And I remember we used to think we were so cool, we'd get like the paddle pop sticks.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And we would put masking tape across the whole thing of it. So, it was sort of like this masking tape stick. Yeah. And we'd just sit pretending to smoke. Really? And we thought that we were top dogs. I was an asthmatic, so—

Tommy: No wonder there's a problem with smoking. So I was— I'm an asthmatic and I smoked a bit, but it was like, it's mainly the thing other than it's unhealthy for you, but it's like, it is— I feel like I would— I could potentially smoke if I wasn't an asthmatic, because I— if it wasn't bad for you— this sounds stupid, I'll synthesise my thoughts. I smoked a little bit when I was young just to be cool. But I always struggled because of the asthma, so I was like staying away from it because I feel like I can't breathe as soon as I'm around smoke or I start smoking.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But then—

Josh: Good reason not to smoke.

Tommy: So, I see people out having a smoke, talking to each other, and I think, ah, that'd be so good if that was healthy for me.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It'd be great because you get to socialise.

Josh: A little bit of a break, a little bit of a break in your day, going downstairs, talking shit. It definitely brings people together. Like, I know that places that I've worked where you'll have lawyers speaking with like junior burgers and all that sort of thing, and all they're like, their connection is a nicotine habit.

Tommy: Well, this dude at my wife's work, he goes down maybe 4 or 5 times a day, which if you were to say they're 5-minute breaks.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That's not his lunch break.

Josh: That is full on, isn't it?

Tommy: I thought the owner of that company would be pissed off, don't you reckon?

Josh: Yeah. Absolutely.

Tommy: You're paying for somebody to go down and have a ciggie. And Amy said to this dude, do you like that you smoke? And he said, no, no, I hate it. And it's an interesting thing because a lot of people that smoke don't like the fact that they smoke.

Josh: Well, people stress, right? But the thing is, I think that that's like the same with like lollies or junk food or stuff like that. You don't like— it's that weird thing of like, oh, should we get it or should we— it feels like a treat. Yeah. But it's not treating yourself because you feel like fucking shit after it.

Tommy: He started smoking late in life.

Josh: That's what I always— I never understood, like, starting late. The thing that's been happening to me lately is I'm always like, oh, that smells nice. And then I look and it's a guy's got a vape pen.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: It's like, oh, apple and stuff.

Tommy: Have you ever smoked a vape?

Josh: No, never. I've never, like, I have just this weird unit where I'm like, I just get scared of things where I'm like, I just don't want to engage.

Tommy: Scared of what? Of the vape?

Josh: No, I'm scared of— Well, it's like if it's the— If we know that it's not good for us, then what is the benefit of trying it? So, for me, it only can end badly. The good solution is I'm like, oh, that's what it's like. But I feel like I get enough of that through passive smoking anyway. I feel like I'm sure I've tried smoking through, like when I used to go to the drag races as a kid, it just reminds me of like—

Tommy: Your family was the family out of Upper Middle Bogan.

Josh: Exactly. And the— Yeah, but I just remember that or like Dad taking me to like factories or whatever when he would like mates who, you know, had businesses and would go there and it would always have this smell of like Mechanic, oil, ciggies.

Tommy: I did work experience in Year 10 at a golf course. Have I told you this story?

Josh: No.

Tommy: And I love the thought of working on a golf course, like being outside in the mornings.

Josh: Like being the greensman type of thing?

Tommy: Yeah, greensman. So, I did like greenskeeping.

Josh: What golf club?

Tommy: Brighton Golf Course. And I had to get there at like 4:30 AM. Super early. So they start before the golfers. Yeah, it's an early morning sport anyway for a lot of, for, for a lot of people. And so they get the— they, they basically make a new hole on most of the greens, fill up the old one, make sure everything's going along. And I love the, um, being in the buggies. Like, we were driving around buggies and just like, I felt like it's, it's like a privilege to be on those buggies on a course.

Josh: For whatever reason, it— yeah, it definitely— I remember I used to I had a golf coach and my favourite thing was he had sort of a custom buggy.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: That was like petrol run and went fucking fast.

Tommy: Right. They're awesome.

Josh: And we'd just like go and that was sort of the— That was almost like the buy-in, which was like I was essentially paying for a buggy ride. That's what I was most excited about.

Tommy: I get to ride around in these and that was one of the appeals. But there was also some darker sides to this.

Josh: Happiness in the Darker Side, one of our better eps.

Tommy: In the toilet. Let me just paint the picture of the guys. I think this will paint the picture of the guys who work at— worked at the golf course. I don't know about now. In the toilet, a knee-high pile of porn mags. Yeah, I got stuck into them while I was on the toilet, just having a quick browse, as you do when you're 15 years old.

Josh: Absolutely.

Tommy: But here's the other thing, when we were driving around, and this is a joke between me and my bro and it has been since then. He'd say to me, this guy would go, smoke, mate? Smoke, mate? And I'd say, yeah, yeah, mate. And he'd hand me a ciggie and I'd smoke in the car with him when we're driving around.

Josh: And he just—

Tommy: every couple hours, smoke, mate? Smoke, mate? What a dummy. I'd punch durries with him.

Josh: That's so fucked.

Tommy: I just remember feeling like a bit asthmatic but wanting to be cool. Just having a—

Josh: It's actually making me breathe funny. It's horrible.

Tommy: Smack my—

Josh: Smack my— I'm going to take that. Smack my— Bri and I went to Fiji a year and a half ago or a year and a bit ago. And we played a round of golf. Well, I played a round of golf and Bri sort of handed me the clubs.

Tommy: Sorry, just one thing. What do you reckon is more boring, a round of golf or you and I talking about golf stories?

Josh: No, I reckon what's even more boring is Me describing what I ate yesterday, which at the end, let's say what I had for dinner. We know that we had this little peanut butter slice. But can I just very quickly—

Tommy: No, don't go off.

Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no. Just very quickly on that. Peanut butter slice sounds like it's some sort of vegan or like unhealthy thing.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: It was literally, it was like a grainy, it was like lots of seeds and stuff and it just had like peanut butter as sort of the thing that would stick it together.

Tommy: Mate. It's a piece of toast with peanut butter.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. So, it's like healthy. It wasn't like some sort of sugary bullshit.

Tommy: Yeah, so back to you in Fiji.

Josh: Fiji, yeah, Bree was telling me to be careful on the golf buggy and I've got this footage because we're filming on the GoPro.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Of me nearly flipping the buggy and when she's like, it's like Bree screaming, "I told you!" She's like really mad because I literally like hit this We went over hill not knowing that it sort of dipped really low and I just like smashed.

Tommy: Is that on a video?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I've seen that. Yeah, I've heard that voice. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I'll have to, maybe we'll link it up. But I also, that's not the only golf buggy story. I remember I was at Eagle Ridge Golf Club with a mate in high school and his grandpa and it was a wet day and there's footage I wish I still had. It's probably somewhere in the archives, but there's footage of them filming me and then I'm just like sliding along going sideways because it was so wet on the— and this was like a couple of hundred dollars a game sort of golf course. It was really like—

Tommy: Dude, there's a lot of etiquette these courses. It's full-on old school, old money in a lot of golf courses.

Josh: Well, I used to play about 3 to 4 times a week.

Tommy: Are you any good?

Josh: No, I was always like a handicap of 32, which was the maximum for a junior. It was so frustrating because I always looked at people. My uncle used to caddy for Craig Parry, who's an Australian golfer.

Tommy: Successful?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, pro. And I would always— And he's now the one that's like a CEO of like an Arab soccer team.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: In Abu Dhabi.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: Yeah, crazy. Anyway, he went into— After caddying, he went into like sports management and then went into being like a— I just want to go. I'd love to go to Abu Dhabi. Is Abu Dhabi the one? I always get confused. You've got Dubai. Yeah. Abu Dhabi is the one— Is the— We might cut your hands off if you do anything.

Tommy: I'm not sure.

Josh: Is that like the real crazy one? Not crazy.

Tommy: I just stopped over there.

Josh: Yeah. No, it's not Abu Dhabi then. What am I thinking about, guys? It's the one that—

Tommy: Saudi Arabia.

Josh: Yeah, Saudi Arabia.

Tommy: Yeah. It's where all the oil money is.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I think that he's a— Anyway, I'm getting distracted. But he— Yeah, I was always excited about golf because I would see people with similar BMI to me doing really well.

Tommy: Body mass index.

Josh: Yeah. People doing really well in golf and you could like be a bit chub. And by the end of my golf career when I was a kid, I call it a career, it was a hobby. I, um, we used to go to the golf club and would tell our parents that we were playing golf but would go straight to the clubhouse, order a big basket of hot chips and Cherry Cokes, and we just sit there all day.

Tommy: So yeah, I told my mum I was going somewhere but it wasn't to the golf course, and then me and my mates were smoking bongs behind the shelter shed. That's the difference in Josh and I.

Josh: And look, we've both worked it all out.

Tommy: Yeah, we have. We're good. We're good. Hey, my bro told me a funny story. Actually, I saw the storey unfold, which is even better.

Josh: Great.

Tommy: Because I felt like I was a—

Josh: Which bro?

Tommy: In a cinema. My eldest brother, Anthony.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: He was saying to me, fuck, my boss is saying that my phone doesn't work.

Josh: What sort of career are they?

Tommy: He's an electrician.

Josh: Okay. Yeah.

Tommy: He's like, my boss is telling me my phone doesn't work. He calls me, it goes straight to message bank. And he's like texting, it's not working. But I, but I call him and I'm like, mate, it's working.

Josh: Did he block his number or something?

Tommy: And he said to, and his boss said to him, did you block my number? No. Like what? Do you know how to block a number on a mobile phone?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like you need to go into.

Josh: You have to go to like the contact or something.

Tommy: I'll do it to you right now.

Josh: No, don't do it.

Tommy: But I'll unblock it, right?

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Let me just, I just want to show you how actually.

Josh: Just very quickly. No, no, no, before you do that, go to favorites.

Tommy: You're not in my favorites.

Josh: You gotta be fucking kidding me.

Tommy: You're not in my favorites. I'll put you into my favorites.

Josh: No, I don't want to be in your fucking favorites, but I'm just pulling up my favorites. You are second in my favourites behind Bree.

Tommy: Second. I'll put you in my favorites.

Josh: No, I don't want to be in your fucking favorites.

Tommy: Do you know how I call you? Do you know how I call you? I don't even— call Josh Janson.

Josh: And then it's saying call Joe.

Tommy: Yeah, because it's like, are you Siri? I don't ever go into my favourites anyway.

Josh: So, because you probably call me.

Tommy: How, like, if you were to do the math, I called you at 8:11 AM today. Yesterday I called you, or we spoke on Sunday. Yeah, anyway, we've spoken a lot. We speak a lot. Beside the point, I'll put you in my favourites to make you feel better.

Josh: I don't fucking need it, but that's outrageous.

Tommy: So, you need to go on to your contact.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then down the bottom it says block this caller. Yeah. And then it It tells you to, like, you basically confirming.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, now I've blocked it.

Josh: What happens if I text you?

Tommy: So, text me now.

Josh: Do you get a text message?

Tommy: So, I've fully, I've just blocked Josh's number completely.

Josh: I wonder if this is doing something so Apple thinks we're no longer— Hey, hey mate. Just, I'm really annoyed with you. I'm really locked down, aren't I? So, I've sent the text. It looks like it's sent from my end.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Do you get it?

Tommy: I haven't got anything yet. Does it say it's sent?

Josh: Yeah. Well, I mean, it doesn't actually— Oh, it doesn't say delivered.

Tommy: That's different. You haven't been able to text me. So my, my brother's boss was saying, mate, you've blocked me. And my brother was going, no, I have not. Because in defence of him, it's actually— you need to go in and block someone and it takes a bit of effort. Hi, you've called Tommy Jacket from Frisbee and Co.

Josh: So I even— I just get your voicemail.

Tommy: Yeah, so just go straight to voicemail. And so my brother was walking around the house going, I haven't, I haven't, I haven't blocked him. So my other brother Michael Grabs my phone. I want you to do this right now.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Go into settings. Do it on your phone.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: Go into settings. Go to phone.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Go to call blocking and identification. So, phone.

Josh: Yeah. Phone.

Tommy: Call blocking and identification.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it comes up with all the numbers you've blocked. Have you got any there?

Josh: I've got about 10. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 numbers.

Tommy: Okay. Yeah. So, I've got 4, 5 including you.

Josh: A lot of mine are like fucking telemarketers, I think.

Tommy: Yeah, mine are too.

Josh: As soon as I hear and I'm like, actually, I don't want to engage anymore. So, can you unblock me now before I go to this?

Tommy: My brother went in and checked if he was being blocked.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And he'd blocked his boss. So, there was a—

Josh: Do you reckon a night out or something? And he would like, what was—

Tommy: He went to Rainbow Serpent, which is a 4-day music festival. And he reckons that it could have happened then by accident.

Josh: By accident.

Tommy: But he wouldn't do it on purpose.

Josh: No, but by accident in the sense that like he might have just been off his chops and he's done it.

Tommy: So, well, maybe because it might have been one of his latest calls or something. He's just somehow pressed it. So I'm unblocking you, Josh.

Josh: Thank you. But how fuck's that?

Tommy: He's blocked his boss who's trying to contact him about work constantly and he's telling his boss, no, I haven't blocked you, mate, because you wouldn't think he did.

Josh: What do you think is the, like, what's the etiquette around answering calls? So, I'm trying to work that out at the moment, being where we have service-based client businesses.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, I always pick up my, I'm very good at picking up my phone. It's like, I think that I've like, at least in the last like year, I sort of pride myself on, even if I don't know the number, I'll like generally pick it up. But I'm starting to realise as I like, I've got probably 6 main projects on the go at the moment and it's just I can't context switch. I can't switch between them all. So, I'm having to be like, I'm thinking about using do not disturb more. But how do you, how would you go about setting the expectation?

Tommy: When you do it, I think I even reply. Oh, no, I replied to Craig, my mate Craig Harper.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: He's a busy dude and I call him. Frequently.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And he presses that button that says, um, busy right now, we'll call you another time. And I just wrote back to him, texted him, probably more annoying. I said, fuck, the auto response is so serious. Call me when you can. But it's like, it is, I think it feels like it's not.

Josh: So having custom ones, I don't know whether this was a mate's car or not that was doing this. But I texted him and I actually got a message automatically, like basically— Oh, Lucy is tagging us up on Instagram.

Tommy: This is the problem when Josh picks up his phone.

Josh: Lucy was on the last episode. But see, this is what happens. I completely lose train of thought. Text messages.

Tommy: Alright. Give me a sec.

Josh: I want to read you this text message. That I got when my mate was in his car. Here we go.

Tommy: Auto response, is that what you're saying?

Josh: Yeah. So, I got this auto— It was fucking great. I got this response where it was like, it was 2 texts, one after the other. One has a car emoji and says, "I'm driving with do not disturb while driving turned on. I'll see your message when I arrive at my destination." And then in brackets, "I'm not receiving notifications. If this is urgent, reply urgent to send a notification through with your original message." I don't know if that was interesting, a car thing.

Tommy: He's—

Josh: he was driving an Audi at the time. I don't know if that's like an Audi feature.

Tommy: So what he's done is you must be able to set an autoresponder if you put your do not disturb on. That's what he said. He goes, I have my do not disturb on, and this is—

Josh: if that's the case, that's fucking genius.

Tommy: It is good. So I'm just bragging about the fact that he's one of the people on the road that don't use their phone while driving, which I appreciate very much. Oh, fuck.

Josh: It's literally in the phone. So, under Do Not Disturb. Yeah. There is an automatic one, an auto reply, and you can set auto reply to no one, recent favourites or all contacts.

Tommy: That's cool.

Josh: And it's set up as, I'm driving with Do Not Disturb while driving turned on. I'll see your message when I arrive at the destination.

Tommy: I'm going to set one up and it responds, you guys are a select bunch of favourites. Unfortunately, Josh Janson's not within this.

Josh: So, so hurtful. But how— that's fucking great.

Tommy: So that's what I'm going to start.

Josh: I think I'll start, you know, I'm going to do— I'm going to start using do not disturb specifically when I'm on shoots. I'm currently on a shoot.

Tommy: Currently on a shoot.

Josh: I'm currently on a shoot, blah, blah, blah.

Tommy: I mean, it makes you out like a bit of a big dog too. Don't get too—

Josh: yeah, not too automated bullshit.

Tommy: Hey guys, this is an autoresponder just on a shoot. Like, I think you need the honesty there. I feel— do you feel this when you get an autorespond message that's very vague or just like, I currently, I'm out of range?

Josh: The reason that this one works, I think, is because he put an emoji in it and stuff like that.

Tommy: That is making it a bit like personable.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And the other thing too, um, except Lucy, the 16-year-old Instagrammer, would not appreciate the emoji.

Josh: You should put a bus emoji. Just laid on my bar. I think that she uses the bus emoji more than what she wanted to admit. I think she's like, "That was a slip." It's like, that's fine.

Tommy: You can use the bus.

Josh: You can use the bus. Bus is fine. School bus is running late again. I mean, it's not relevant anymore for her, but we don't need no education.

Tommy: The—

Josh: I was going to say, oh yeah, auto-responding. I think I've told this storey way back in one of the podcasts, but Bri mentioned it last night because another friend was telling someone else about it. When I read "The 4-Hour Workweek,". And I decided to set up an autoresponder for people saying I wasn't currently available. And this was early days of sort of this sort of stuff. So, I used a really roundabout— Rather than using like Gmail or Google Apps and doing it all that, I was using Apple Mail to do it. And they had— Apple Mail have these rules. So, you can set up things where it's like almost like filters, I guess it would be within Google where it's like if this then that type of thing and it sorts it all. And I set up a rule which was meant to be if I receive a message from someone, send it, send them this response. But what I did was I did that without the caveat for new messages. So, I sent in a message to every single person who's ever emailed me saying I'm currently unavailable. It was something real wanky like currently unavailable for the next 40 minutes, like I I cheque my emails twice daily between this time and this time.

Tommy: I love that's so you to take it so literally.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: When you— I think it's what young people do or just people, a lot of people say that.

Josh: Yeah, I would have been like 19 at the time and you just like, you don't know, you don't have your own self-filter of understanding, like putting it through your own sort of values and brand and all that sort of thing.

Tommy: Well, I think it's like people watching Gary Vee. Or anyone who's spruiking business or success, and they start applying the exact thing that they're doing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And to some degree, like, do you see people copying the exact formats that Gary Vee is using? As far as like, I saw one, and I even think it's a bit gross. It's like Gary Vee started— I don't know if he's the one that—

Josh: Gary Vee, if you don't know, is like an online marketer guy who worked on Wine Library, which was a business he's family started and he turned it into a big e-com business. And now he has VaynerMedia, which is like a full-service agency, 200 mil rev. Yeah.

Tommy: And so he's like the pioneer. So people do listen to him.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And people copy him is my point. So, you know, the video where you see the red line going across, which basically is showing you how much longer you have of the video.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: To watch. I saw someone using that the other day and it just looks so shit.

Josh: Well, people just aim— like, people emulate. It's, uh, And the thing is like that you'll notice that I took all my Post-it notes down. I used to have heaps of Post-it notes, but one remains, which is knowing isn't doing. And that's the thing where it's like all of these, like Gary wouldn't have been the first at doing this type of thing, right? But he's like that big person who is going to make it famous. It's the same with Casey Neistat. Casey Neistat will use a GorillaPod, you know, like the flexible pods. Tripods, and then anyone that has a flexible tripod with a DSLR, it's like, oh, you're Casey Neistat copycat. It's pretty crazy how we lump these things. And if you're fir— and it's to my point, it's like we spoke about the other day, the 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing. There's a caveat to being first. It's either being first or being the most popular first, right? So like you can be the first to have a product, but if no one knows about it, there's no point being first. Yeah.

Tommy: I was thinking of like doing a case study and documenting along the way of like copying someone else.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Copying, just copying the style, the format, like exact, exactly how they've scaled their following or something and seeing if it actually can work. So we could do it with this podcast, right? We see someone's strategy around how they've created a big audience or online following for their podcast, then you could just literally copy it with our content inserted.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And to see if it actually works, like to see if there is merit in taking someone else's strategy and applying it to your own with adapting along the way.

Josh: Well, I think that the adapting is the important bit. Yeah. So it's like Steal Like an Artist, Austin Kleon's popular book, or Everything's a Remix, or these, this sort of terminology What I think works really well is looking beyond like the people that you're trying to— like, say Gary Vee. If you're an online marketer, you can look at other online marketers, but where you'll probably find the most amount of value is looking at like 3 steps away in a different industry or a different time period. So, for instance, this podcast, I use Dignation, which was my favourite podcast. I would listen to it or watch it It was a video podcast. I'd watch it every single week and I watched it from, I don't know, I think it came out in 2005 and I would have, I watched every single episode every single week. I was the person who was emailing in. We should pick up that audio because hilarious. I basically send them an email of like, what should I do? My girlfriend gets upset because after we have sex, I straight away go on to back onto my computer. And I said—

Tommy: And they read it out.

Josh: They read it out.

Tommy: That's awesome.

Josh: And they thought I was fucked because I basically said that— Actually, like, I basically said to them that the— Should I find the email?

Tommy: You can't do two things at once.

Josh: Yeah, I can't do two things at once. So, we'll find the email, but there was basically a line in there where it's like, and it's not like I have anything to do on my computer. I end up just spending the time moving around the cursor. They're like, this guy's fucked. So, I like, I look at Dignation and I still can watch their videos today.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I will like once every couple of months when I want a bit of nostalgia. Nostalgia alert.

Tommy: Every couple of hours.

Josh: I'll watch that. And the funny thing is it's all old stories. So, it's like Apple is potentially like, is their new product called the iSlate? This is before the iPad came out. And they would do like rumours of like, okay, we've got like, this is the latest rumour of what's going to be on the iPhone 4.

Tommy: So, I'm just closing the loop of your own story. What was the point of bringing up Dignation?

Josh: Dignation, I have used as a bit of a benchmark of like, I fucking loved that. And I took out like, okay, what were some of the things? It was two mates having a good time and it was actually less about the news storeys and it was always around the fucking banter in between. And it was about like, being honest and it was about like giving you insight, giving people insight into their actual lives. So, it's not just— I think people think, well, you can't just say Bree because no one knows who Bree is. You need to explain that it's your girlfriend. I'm like, actually, that's not the audience that I care about. I want like you'll eventually, if you don't know who Bree is, you'll eventually fucking make— join the dots and work it out. Same with Amy, Bodhi, all that sort of thing. And sometimes if we feel like it, we'll preface it. But, um, yeah, so that was—

Tommy: Yeah, exactly. Another episode. I can get in on it.

Josh: Get in, get in on it.

Tommy: So yeah, so you've taken some inspiration from them into this podcast.

Josh: I like it. Yeah. Um, that's, that's another episode, I think.

Tommy: Yeah, 30 minutes.

Josh: The Daily—

Tommy: Josh just did a hurricane swirl with his finger.

Josh: I felt a bit Sam Cav. It's like I've seen him wrap it up, guys. I've seen him do a bit of that gear before, like on, like when I was working on FIFA Angels, like a bit of a Or what other show? I can't remember. But it does feel a little novel because I feel like it's more for him to feel like he's doing something than actually wrapping it up.

Tommy: All Australian things are like, wrap it up.

Josh: Yeah, wrap it up.

Tommy: Come on, wrap it up, guys. Anyway, we're wrapping it up.

Josh: Yeah. So, the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: You realise that if I didn't wrap up or try to bring your storey back to—

Josh: There would have been no point.

Tommy: We would have gone for another 15 minutes.

Josh: That is true. Michelle, thank you so much for all your emails. I see that there's one with the tracking number for our first bit of mail that we're getting in the PO box. And so, we're— I'm going to— Tommy and I are sitting down to work out our email so I can actually get it sorted so we have one inbox and we can be checking it together.

Tommy: If you don't video you going to get this and make a video about this, I'll be disappointed. And Michelle will be disappointed.

Josh: And Sean, thank you for the review as well on iTunes. That was on the podcast app. That was very much appreciated. And if you were thinking, hang on, this podcast isn't shit. Your reviews help because it means that other people can know that it's not shit and we can dominate the iTunes. Like, one day, Tommy, we will be in the top 10.

Tommy: That'd be nice.

Josh: For like half a day.

Tommy: I saw someone post up yesterday they're in the top 4. Who was it? Craig Bruce and the Gangsters.

Josh: Yeah. So, that was a podcast episode level. So, it's different. So, I think that when we get some of our big dog mates on the show, they can push-pull big audiences. But until then, we'll take whatever.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But a review would be nice and it helps. P.O. Box. So, you don't have to send your review via the P.O. Box, but we do have the P.O. Box, which is P.O. Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. And our email address is hi@thedailytalkshow.com. TJ, have a good day.

Tommy: Bye, guys. Bye, guys.