- February 9, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Friday Feb 9 (Ep 19) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett.
Strategising creatively and in business
Everyone is using headphone and the move to personal entertainment
Instant messaging and group chats rather than social media
Gary Vaynerchuk is blowing up
Old school podcasting
Pushing back to industry standards
PO BOX 400, Abbotsford VIC 3067
Josh’s YouTube Channel – http://youtube.com/joshjanssen
Tommy’s YouTube Channel – http://youtube.com/tommyjackett
It is the daily talk show. And it is Friday the ninth of February. And I want to apologize for yesterday saying Happy Wednesday and talking about Wednesday. Yeah. When it was Thursday, and it was really annoying, because you had said that you've been listening back to the podcast. And it pisses you off that we spend the first 15 seconds of every podcast talking about the number, which this is what we do.
Listen, we can say the number of the podcast because I think it's like miles, setting milestones. Okay, but the day whatever, if you're tuning in next week, it's all good. So we're going to stop saying what day it is not what I think it is that most people who are listening to this podcast or listening to it daily, and they like the idea of I'm listening to Tommy and Josh, and this is their thoughts from say the day so the number of the podcast say the days and move on. Okay, not the weather. Well, I was just gonna say conversations.
We, I think we talked about on this. It's like people who just go into talking about random shit. Well, we're switching talking so much louder already, because we're fucking high on chocolate. We did a bunch of really great job. Yeah,
so Bray works at a chocolate company called Hey, Tiger. Yeah, and
my biggest concern was, we've been friends the whole time she's been working there and I've read hardly any the chocolates and we go,
where's this chocolate? You work for? Chocolate company. And so they have an official fact. I've got some chili chili ones. Really good.
That's and so fake. But he actually decided So anyway, the baby tended to tweak that recipe because I'm It was delicious. The Yeah, so the point being that breeze been doing a shoot, they haven't officially launched, but they've been shooting all of the product. So the kitchens been busy making it all highs from let's just take it away from these free plugs. Yeah, businesses. But man, unless let your P o box 400. Abbotsford. Victoria 3067. We're really excited to the Friday we were it high. But up my high from coffee is is like I feel it's like it's almost like a rush in the morning. Yeah, I don't think that I'm aware enough. Or I wasn't aware enough that I was doing it. But the other day I had a meeting with a client. I had a long black I feel like when I have a long black and I really, really gonna do yeah, I get real. Like, I get to probably Gary Vee who know Gary, I start you like getting like, you know, people need to be doing this. And this is the thing about the industry and A, B and C like, all right, have you got a bit like I'll say shit. Like, you've got a pen and paper. I'm going to write down the next seven steps of what you need to do. I did that to you yesterday. Man. I tell
you what, any of my friends, you have one of the best dishing advice and like it and don't even advice like unsolicited advice. It's like the thing I'm struggling with you come in and fucking, you basically solved it. But then it's like doing that for yourself. Yeah, is one of the hardest things I think we do. I think trying to I find it very easy to look inside and be I would have sort of something out. I think I'm getting better at doing the other pace. I think that the other part of it is obviously I'm not doing the work I don't
like strategic thinking is important. And it's a piece that most people don't have. But the thing that's going to make your idea pop and what we spoke about what we built yesterday for you that's going to really take place when you actually do it you have your sale when all that sort of consultants it's I had a I used to try and personal train an old school accounted, yeah,
who is disliked telling me is like our consultants. It's like, they do nothing charge a lot of money and come in, they do. But they just telling someone what to do, but not having to get into the nitty gritty of it. So it's quite easy. Yeah, seeing it. And
I think, but this is the difference, I think of what I'm doing. So there's this obvious advice that is a bit rah rah. And it's it's talking about stuff about mindset and all things. And what I really love is, and what we did is it's like, well, what does that mean, if you would actually do that if you actually implement some sort of strategy of things that you'll What if we were what we basically did yesterday was a fucking to do list of everything that you need to now do to be able to make it happen. Yeah,
I think that's what's fun. So
you're wearing headphones. Yeah, I'm not your one year off kind of dish. But I did. I told you about the time that I was driving down the highway and I saw that these fucking dude driving along, laughing his ass off eating a bowl of cereal with the spring like a legit football cereal, and he had noise cancelling headphones on in the car. Was it did you bump it with a ti say
listen to the podcast is something funny listening to us. Maybe if you are these handoffs, p o box 400, and then Yesterday I saw another person noise cancelling headphones while driving
now shouldn't do that. I feel even weird having my wireless air pods in but they're showing
guy doing getting trained by a person at the gym yesterday. And he was wearing headphones in both ears while being trained by a trainer to bit off, isn't it? It's like when I go up to order a coffee. I feel the need to take one he he even though even though Yeah, even though it's not going to really make a difference. But it just seems like the visual cue that I actually respect you and another fucking Tata and I was thinking about talking this on the way here this morning. And I
was having was your drive, how long does it take to go from St Kilda to Collingwood,
30 minutes? Max? Some sometimes Well, it depends when La La Five minutes later, it could be 40. Yeah, but this morning, it was only 25 and I'm going along. drop my wife off work in tram pulled up next to me. Yeah, absolutely. Everybody on the trains on the headphone with their headphones. It how many wireless
I didn't see a great deal of Esports
airport, the just the non wireless version one of their products. So I
didn't see a I didn't say many people were at CES. We really I mean, this is we're creating podcasts that usually will be listened to through some sort of earphone device. Yeah,
why you saying and so I mean, like,
there has been a real shift in the last three, four years. Yeah. introduced. Hey, everyone, wearing headphones, whatever, I'm blocking out the world. I think
that what it is, it's personal entertainment. Yeah.
So it's white noise. Really? I mean, well, yeah,
it's annoying. It's and it's going to probably have people seem to focus on the issue that's going to come out of these types of things. I think part of the issues is not being able to be alone in our own thoughts. We constantly need fucking Joe Rogan. Or Josh and Tommy entertaining us where these fucking monkeys that can just turn off. So I think that's part of it. But the other part is, it's like freedom and choice. And it's on demand, right? You think about it, it's like it was if we go back 10 years, it was like, if you're watching TV, everyone has to be into the same thing where Bray will be watching fucking married at first sight. And I'll have my fo spiel lying down with her with my legs on a and will be she'll be watching TV. And this is like a traditional, you know, 10 years ago sitting on the couch. But the difference is that she's watching one thing and I've got my air pods in and I'm listening to something that's not going to fucking rock my brain. Yeah. to the court.
You're a romantic, modern day. cowboy. I see. You really ask you to you and your girlfriend. Bree. Yeah. So engaged. Technologically. Yeah, it is.
It's like in just like, they get what we've got to find. Friends. You. You and I were aged. Yeah.
Do you and I may have played with so awesome. It's great on on iPhones. You can turn it on. So you can just track where your friend is. Yeah, all the time. And it's amazing with me when she's in a cab. It's like
last night she was on her way home. And I just made sure she was okay. Yeah,
she was on the one nature. I feel like the only thing is you need to be quite good friends. Because I had cases where I just hadn't fucking every man and his dog on there. Yeah. And then as I started being like, I don't really care about these various, a really low at the start, but then they people start understanding. Okay, there now. That's weird. What? So I think that an equivalent is Do I Do you know where I think all the social network stuff is going with? Hashtag futurist.
It's all going to be instant messaging. I'll tell you why. Instant Messaging, instant messaging. So what WhatsApp know like WhatsApp, all of these things. And maybe it's already if I can happen, but people don't want to end it, like people have friended so many people that followed so many people that they've got. And the reality is that the person that I cared about, you know, 10 years ago, I don't care about necessarily as much now. And the stuff that I want to share is only really relevant to the people who I'm connected with die today, and direct messages and doing the the chat stuff seems to play into that. Do you have any
group chats? Do you do group chats with anyone? Oh, yeah, yeah,
on telegram just with a couple of boys but not really. I haven't got into it it's only because they all use telegram and so I just down and it's a group chat yeah it's a great what sort of stuff do you talk about? It's just bullshit means and stuff getting sent through yeah funny videos and but did I tell you when I was in Tel Aviv Israel I was trying to work out for the fucking life of me why everyone was just holding the phone to their mouth like upside down look like though just like taking a voice memo. They're all fucking spies. There is no change that they use WhatsApp and there's the audio recording you just record a piece of audio yeah and everyone's not talking and when will there and they'd have headphones Ryan or no oh no
oh yeah yeah maybe they do have headphones I guess he got it otherwise it's Lance what they probably do is they have headphones without a mic port and that's why they're bringing it up to their yeah they've
got some nice fucking fancy hell yeah talking but it's really really popular over their voices be and I've got some friends here all within the Jewish Jewish community that like go over to Israel because it's the motherland and
I got a I got a voice memo from my mates wife and I was like taking back It's like she's week yeah this voice memo I take guys it's it Sam blah blah blah and flew like but it made sense when we went over to there waiting in Israel and saying everyone doing their it's cool. I think Tony Robbins does that rather than email Tony Robbins
yet. You'll send attachments. So I think he's probably got like an EA or whatever. Who sends emails. If the I might say just got an email from Tommy jacket. He's saying hey, mate, we come on the daily talk show. I'm a Melbourne fan. Blah blah, blah. Yeah. And he'll be like, okay, press record. Tommy. It's I'm doing Arnold Schwarzenegger. Tommy Tommy get into the job. No bill. He'll he'll say have a blog talk. And then if I can attach it to your personal like It Will you would like that more. If you have that from Tony Robbins versus an email? You'd be pretty pumped my it's those little one percenters that it's like sending someone a video thing? Should we start doing that? Should we only start talking through what I think it's going to annoy the fuck out of Bray? If it's like
that. She'll be watching married at first sight. And you'll have your ear pods in Yeah, but I'll be saying, you know, a good night love you. And then she'd be like to
make it like me.
I do love audio. And it's like Gary Vee banging on about voices. The new
Gary Vee. And you know, it's fucking funny about Gary Vee. All these people who are just discovering it. My people who I saw on my Insta story, some fucking person who used to work with who are friends with and she's like, just got my book. Like crushing it. I'm like, this is it's so tell
us what the because you come into these people very early. Yeah,
you I'm a pre premature on the Exactly. When did you first find Gary Vee? What year 2006 fact that's
like dat. If he's Yeah. And same with like, 2006. Maybe 2017. You send him an email. Yeah, I
sent him and he saw me go to my laptop as if I was going to go through it. Yeah, I sent him an email. And that was probably 2011 or 2010. It would have been 2010. I said hi. If you if you need any videos done into I know that, you know, Victoria or in South Australia have great wines. If you have a native New video content, let me know I never heard back from him, I don't think but he would always write back on Twitter. And the thing was that he he hasn't changed that like where he has changed. So he's this entrepreneur dude who has vine a media and he's built a career of talking about technology. And so the thing is, he had a
his parents or dad had a business called Wine Library in on the east coast in the US the wine business and then he created Wine Library TV. Yes. Or he created what Wine Library the the website? Yeah, like so for online stores, and like an online store or something. And obviously I wasn't connected into that at all. But the thing was that he
he started Wine Library TV, which was like his video podcast because the thing was, when podcasting started, he was using a service called vid. La. So it was putting all of these money on this service called vid. ly and I know that I've been mentioning Matt developer on every single episode and I do have a mention of him. He was actually and he's the guy who directed minimalism, he minimalist minimalism if I can remember minimalism, Netflix, Docker, he actually worked. He was a freelancer for Vito and Vito was like a competitor to YouTube and Vimeo. And the interesting thing was that from the get go, you could leave a comment and it was time code specific. So I mentioned like frame IO, or Webster these video services that allow clients to comment on specific bids. And that's what the comments were. So you could be watching a video and you would say, pop up. So people commenting and and all of Gary's video is we're on vid law. And that's how I can change these content, but hate the rate the way that I found the moves.
Same with Tim Ferriss. All of these guys would go to SXSW and I would consume all of the content themselves. Sure,
what is South by Southwest SXSW
started off as a music festival in Austin, Texas, and it has become, it has become the biggest sort of Culture Festival and what in the biggest area I think now or the one that's probably gets gates the most excited is they've got like a tech stream. So it's like a few days of the latest in it would be everything from VR to social networks to podcasting video, all of that stuff. And I went there two years ago. Think what time of year is it? It's much,
much love to God. Yeah,
God, it's fucking The thing is that so I remember, I,
it'd be fucking amazing. It gets so expensive from a remember we're staying like a fairly shitty hotel or 309
and you have to go find me Can we do is find me go find what you're seeing on me to South by Southwest this being lesser reasons, but who was setting up a GoFundMe needs but the it's fucking great. It's like you have barbecue every day. Like, that's it man on and it was like, and the interesting thing is that it's
everything. It's all of the buildings and stuff at hotels, everything are all taken up by the festival and yeah, so it's just like you have you have a nice way Tim Ferriss got sort of his name. So when the four hour workweek came out, this would have been like, oh, seven, maybe. And he was out there. And the thing was podcasting think was Oh, 405. The name actually came from a guy named Adam curry, who's like an MTV jockey, dude. Yeah.
And what pod you know, what podcast actually is pod casting, casting, sending out some
Do you know what, they actually take what's in these? And this is what people don't really know, right? They think of a podcast as its audio. Yeah, they had they had audio you had mp3 is you could fact and download stuff on from servers, or that sort of thing. podcasting is the technology of using an RSS feed to subscribe to something. So what it is, is, it's like with a blog, you know, you can subscribe to a blog. And you can you can get updates, you can have an RSS reader that reads this feed. And so anytime that's a new blog post comes from any people that you follow like the odd of fucking social networks. Yeah, it's all
it's pretty. That's a pretty call it probably be people who have lost you, then you could look at it like this. If you use the podcast app through Apple, and you hit subscribe, that's just serving as a RSS feed
RSS feeds. So it's raining, you know, you when you subscribe to The Daily talk show. Yeah, it will
send you our RSS feed. And these proprietary, so iTunes have this specific ones where they're like, you attach within the audio file some metadata so that it can actually display correctly. So that's how it knows where the fucking title goes, and all that sort of thing. And so podcasting is really that standard, and iTunes, and so I was listening to podcast, so it was about Oh, four. And so really, you wouldn't, how are we? I was 14 and what I would do it and there was I remember the app that
I link to get 56 K and Eric Yeah, exactly.
It was like the internet wasn't too bad. But I remember I would know it's still very slow the thing is those factors are getting in bn before most of these year Metro places anyway, the I was just I remember I was blown away because one of the first anytime these new technologies pop up it always nations early on to talking like podcasts when podcast first launch, it would be people talking about podcasts and it would be technology and it would be reused radio shows that were tech specific because
when all of this happened on stereos of the world and shit they're like they were pushing back they weren't putting their shit on there to stop right and so but there was a guy in California who had a show
he had a he had a podcast called this week in tech which he started just when all of this podcasting stuff came on he's named Leo Laporte and I would listen to him and he would have a Sunday Sunday technology show called the tech guy It was like an IM imagine like three i W. Trevor long if anyone knows who Trevor long is a Trevor long is like the Australian Leo Laporte. He's really sort of built up that thing which is like people asking tech questions and I would just fall in love I remember being like vividly remember the chills that I would get and so fucking nerdy I'd be awake at like 2am and I've got like my iPod Classic like like the white iPod yeah and it's and I would you know you plug it in by fi Wyatt download the podcasts on to the iPod I remember just listening to the tech guy who's speaking to all these people in California about their tech problems and I always just thought this was the fucking coolest thing ever. And I remember and the thing was that it's so funny saying now because it's all ebbing and flowing and now I can put the serial comes out in podcasting again,
is that the most boring story you've ever told I got really ballsy really through it I choose that but this is not something I'm more interested in you went on a rant the sugar fat and kicked in extra gear you're under exactly level for of your Speedo and
you know what we do every fucking time after we do this podcast I zoom out and look at the waveform and we have two tracks ones Tommy in one's mind I always get a fucking annoyed that you just say like these huge chunks for I've just got
to pull you up there is something in finding things first, that people love climbing and I even told you yesterday one of our avid listeners be Mac Yeah. What am I good mates who I met in shepherd and he's like I don't you know this term futurist i think is fucking fluffy. Yeah he's he's got onto some seriously early days music talent Yeah. And that have just gone on to blow up like he's either just got that sound he knows kind of what's what's going to work
he's saying he's he's Yeah,
he's gonna try and it Yeah, like this. He's got so many photos from him with you know, DJ Snake who's huge You don't know him but he's massive. Yeah, like so long ago just like them hanging out because he went down to Melbourne to seem at this tiny gig with 2030 people and now you could sell out shows in Melbourne with his eyes closed so it's but I even like telling the story because I feel like I'm getting something out of him I saw reversal people like feel like it rubs off on them more than it's like it's an identity thing right? It's the same as with Bitcoin. What I find interesting is these things are getting shorter and shorter so lifespan of it yeah
in the sense of like 2014 like man you were talking about fracking Bitcoin in 2013 or 2014 I just think if you didn't buy anything it's just like my you didn't you didn't invest you saw it and yeah why not but it still It stings even more yeah really it's that whole thing I've got a fucking post it note knowing isn't doing so listening and so it's about I think that an interesting mindset is changing from being a consumer Matt and being like how can I create and the thing was that the reason that podcasting went the way it did with me which is like not really like it just bit of a consumer did some podcast was because I was only 14 years old right so yeah I didn't really have anything to say wait yeah i
last very short story on this like Apple that you know how they've got I life where they've got all their their product so I photo and all the iCloud yeah so I photo and all that used to be called I life and it used to be or sorry I work and it was like an extension you'd have to pay a bit more they had a product called I web which way you'd be able to build your own website
all of this ship doesn't exist anymore but I would allow you to create a podcast really easy so I remember yeah oh five or six having Hey, it's the Josh Jansen show, and it's like I'm fucking What the fuck am I going to be? I'd be like a so what's the difference in this success? These people Joe Rogan talk about this yesterday on his podcasts. Just like he's like, I'm not doing anything different than most people out there. I'm talking I having conversations and just sit down with people. It's a time its timing this this. I mean, it's the perfect storm of everything. Yeah, because there's a million talented people out there with the funniest podcast ever. But no connection. There's a swell, there's a groundswell. You know, the people start talking, you seen Joe Rogan, you heard Joe Rogan. And it's just like snowballs, it's a phenomenon, because we haven't seen it like this in this space at this scale.
The other weird thing is that, so podcasting, with the democratization of all of this stuff, and it's a fancy way of saying now, fucking anyone can do it. Right? The interesting thing is that when you say when you were in radio, you would go and you would start a junior sort of level. And then you would have shit shows and your work it out. And then one day, you're hoping that you would get up on a metro station be in Melbourne, or something like that. The thing, the weirdness of it is, we're on the exact same platform as Joe Rogan, the same platform as Russell Brand. The same platform, is Hamish and Andy the same, and the same platform as the fucking boring dude, who is creating the worst podcast in the world somewhere. And somewhere. Yeah, and the thing is that we're all on the same platform. So the weaknesses, you don't have this, there's no like all of the, with the democratization of all of this stuff. It gets a bit hard. So we don't, you don't really have the excuses you just need to do. And it's
because there's nothing to say that you spending money on developing your in intro for your podcast and high production value and getting a good studio, he's going to bring the success because there's look at how easy we do it. And you sit down with two marks with 150 bucks. A Yeah. And it sounds amazing. We just pump it out. And so there's no exact formula for the success in this space. And we're trying to hack it a bit. But we're only doing this because we like it. Yeah, but the downloads we're getting from this, maybe it's because of the consistency that we're putting them out. It's getting rewarded by the platform. Yeah, and I think the other thing to like we don't, I'm just looking at the window. There's this guy struggling so hard.
It's a bike with a thing on the front of it. Like a I'm trying to zoom into your bike with a box on the front that's carrying to these big ass dogs. That's funny. I'm taking a video right now. I wish I could zoom. I love audio, though. I was thinking yesterday. It's like video takes a lot longer to say if I have an idea. Yeah, and I want to get to work straightaway. There's a few more berries, then. Like this. I can tell you a story as like, what do
is so fucking easy. You could do a podcast and it would sound fine. It's on your phone. Yeah, that is as much of an opportunity as it is a threat. Yeah, in the sense of it's a threat to our identity. It's a threat to our our excuses. It's a threat to the fact that I can only do it when I have the so when I have that. And it's like, the thing is that the one dx that I've got sitting here with my new camera that I bought $8,000 for the body that nothing else that camera is would be considered, you know, the best camera for YouTube, in the world. And to the best YouTubers. The people who are doing the best stuff as a vlog as a lifestyle thing is probably using something like this. So this is weirdness of it's not like, we need this big fat and curl like this is eat. I've got all the tools. I've got the I've got no excuses now. And so that is very confronting for a lot of paper.
And I've always for me, I've made all those excuses. And I bought the gear. Yeah. And it's like, you can really say to yourself these excuses. But if the excuses I don't have the gig, go back and buy the gear if you can afford it. Because then that excuses gone.
Do you know what, you don't use it again? Yeah, I think that it's if there's barriers and all that sort of thing, and you can alleviate them and that's what's gonna be the fucking barrier. Might as well get rid of it. But I bought the domain name make more stuff.com. I like it. Like more stuff. And I've got the intro chapter like so. You know, I like fracking going on. 10 You know, I read it. I know
you want it but you're talking
about 45 minutes on this man that's that annoys me. I wish I didn't
use the thing is I want you to rate up but I know that you're gonna fucking white Phuket rating. Okay. So treat it like an audio book. Okay. Okay. So this is.
is this? Tell me. So this is the intro to like, imagine, like, steal like an artist that Austin Klay on book. Yeah, similar style. And this. And what I was thinking is, each page could have a way of getting around a creative block, or why I have a question that you can ask to try and feed creativity. This is the first this is like the first page open opener. Yeah, and
you want to write a book. Yeah, you've been talking about a lot and I hope you do. Okay.
I don't know. Like, I feel like I haven't struggled rating because of my handwriting and how I structured it would say make more stuff, right? So read it is if you are on Audible. So I wouldn't you say make more stuff written by Josh Johnson by Josh Johnson. Joe she's to do this with hoppers. He's get them over to read the scripts that you put together. This child literary right. Yeah, when I was a kid, I just guess I didn't do that. Now. I don't do that. Now. I have a high kids come around an audible book. This is a free first few pages of Josh his new book. Let me just do the very intro. This is audible. Random House audio presents.
Make more stuff written by Josh James spoken by Tommy jacket. What are you waiting for the stars to align the perfect opportunity, maybe the perfect friend to collaborate with the right whether the right mood or just the right idea?
What if you stopped waiting? What if you set out to make more stuff? Not perfect stuff for good stuff? Just stuff. Maybe you think there's enough stuff already in the world? And if you're going to make stuff, it better be the best stuff out there. Yeah,
that's enough. Like so. But
I say stuff like, Well, yeah. Then Then I go off a tangent. So I'm still trying to work it out. But yeah, it's well, I think it's like you between us. I don't know how interesting this is to other people. But I think there's probably a lot of people do it or have mates that do it. You get started on a lot of stuff. Yeah. And I think there's so much opportunity in what you do, because that the people out there who are doing it have just followed through a bit, huh. I come a couple more times into yeah, check themselves and end up in this metaphor. shooting yourself in six days. Yeah.
And he finally I lived in a world where shooting yourself as a successful I'd be fucking Richard Branson. Yeah,
it's a it's in. Creativity isn't easy. But I think that what inspires you was saying, fucking people who are, who have less opportunity, less skill, less talent, less fucking, all of those things and have just done it. That's what inspires you. Do you think
I just, it's me. It's like, it's so uncomfortable. Creativity. And making is not a nice process, a nice feeling always, and there's a lot of the uncomfortableness within it. And it's like, I'm, I like to struggle. I think I've said that. I feel it's like, it's like these hustle for me is, you know, feeling and thinking about this constantly, instead of seeing it come to fruition, and driving down the road after having put in all this work for this video, and just having a rush before I've put it out. Yes, I can drag Yeah, I think that's and it's a slow burn. It's like I think about a painter takes weeks to make something. Yeah, months. And I could imagine it's like, you think that's going to be fucking roses the whole time smelling like roses the whole time fun dancing around, it's like, there's times that you don't want to make sure it and I think that is what inspires me is what is the construction of it, and the other side of it. But then also, I think I'm just a sucker for that stuff. Yeah. And I found something that I can invest a lot of my time. It's like, I'm gonna be add. And so when I am sitting down to edit, it's like, it goes so much like, cathartic. It's like a meditation be like someone who loves running and loves the feeling of all the pain associated with running and that's why they are runner is all those elements because a marathon runner doesn't fucking feel comfortable the whole way through the race that's Fishel. It's definitely a paradox. It's this idea of pain, this pain that I'm feeling is actually going to be good that and that's even the things around freedom and stuff like parameters. Sometimes the best thing that we have, because we know what game we're playing the difference between having, I guess, like a soccer field with, you know, goals and just being like, being able to, you can kick the ball anywhere
the game makes it a fun bit, because otherwise you've got if the if there's no, like, you can't define success if you don't have parameters. Yeah.
And then the success is pretty rewarding, you know, being I guess, seen by others to be succeeding. Like, there's all this you know, there's micro micro elements of success that make up the big picture sounds like that is one bit the driving home. It's like, and I think when one's outweighed when it's other people because you want other people to rally on the back pat on the back it's like I want to be famous you ain't gonna be five as you might but you need the skill you need the thing that's going to make you famous first
yeah and the other thing to like think about this podcast at the beginning yeah what I like about the fact we haven't gone out with it in a real public way is that we're not relying on any positive feedback yeah and even there might be some negative feedback in fact that's what he put the fact is that just just Jansen about and the thing is that you can just keep going and keep going and bang you and bait and and then it factum works out and it's like it's it's not being married to any feedback good or bad it is what it is and you just keep on going I think we give each other feedback and that's the thing like if you have real people that are really close to you to do it that actually making it is more weight in it
it's funny like most of the successful people that men and women burn a brown you know Russell Russell Brand, we all look to our partners in one we love It's like the the actual biggest influences of most of the content I create. I make a video show me she's like Now am I you're gonna get rid of that. Yeah, absolutely. It's like she's not a video person. Yeah, but I Genesis minion yeah and then it like goes out to the world and people say whatever they do I've always been challenging the feedback of others so for instance the bike what my most successful video today attention wise view wise
I made that and you were part of that process Yeah, I was editing shut it all in a day it is in the day and put it out in the same day yeah I was crying I put it out and it was about three minutes 30 seconds long yeah for social media and I gave it to I sent it to Jules land who I value his opinion in this space massively because he's had the experience and he said to me, You gotta countdown you to put out there, you know, can't be that long. I thought why not? Yeah, why can't it be that long? Yeah. And I put it out there that long. And it was the best video I've ever fucking made.
Well, we're all guessing. And we're all hypothesized. And Jules is taking on he's the radio stuff he's taking on. And the other thing too is it's like
it's this for every rule. There's like a counter to that rule. And so it's so instinctual it's about you determine like you looking at every case and making a call on it. You can have a system where I don't create any videos longer than two minutes and that might work for you as a strategy is it got one minute doc is he's super famous for and you can't, you can definitely do that. But there's also I think there's something beautiful an artist stick about saying, you know what, fuck the algorithm. Fuck, what we're told that we need to do this is is solid content. Because
if I was to look at every one of my successes in the video space, all the videos over three minutes, yeah, all of them. And it probably comes down to the idea of each one of them. But it's three minutes long. Yeah. And that's why I love this podcast is because we can go on and you can expand on a thought that leads you to another and the thing with this podcast is I don't really know what success looks like which is quite strange. There's not like a money always been the reward the success you know, radio industry, you get the high paying job, you get a job and get 50 grand like me. Yeah, for money for you doing then you get the metro job like a fable over half a million bucks. Yeah. And that equates to success for a lot of people. But for this, it's like, would you I
don't know it's a flow on effect from everything what's the people that you were creating something that's missing in the world and if you think about it, I don't know many other people who are who are doing this who is doing a daily every weekday show that is fucking honest, that isn't centered around a radio show. That's, you know, that has its limitations. And that isn't revolving around a guest or being to like, I even think about, like Joe Rogan, and all that sort of thing. He's, I feel like, there's an expectation of the types of content that he's producing. Well, I feel like we're playing in a little bit like Joe Rogan is aspirational. And he's got all these big world class people on, but sometimes it's fucking nice to
just listening on people who are fucking just like you or people who are like, maybe you're, in fact, in Japan, listening to us, and you're like, I just, I feel like every time I listen to this podcast, I mean, a fucking cafe in Melbourne. And I'm listening to these two drunk goes. What a strong goes mean, drunk guys,
just like an idiot. bargain. Yeah, nice. Couple of drunk guys chatting. Because, I mean, if we were as successful as Joe Rogan, we could have Jamie pull it up
googling it for us. What a stronger man, I wonder. Um, yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter. I guess the greatness of this whole space is that if you can go into it truly feeling like you don't give a shit where it goes. It's like my, I'm literally I'm doing a $50,000 job. Because I was once paid $50,000 for a year. Yeah,
to do exactly what we're doing, if I'm doing it for free, if a brand came to us, and asked us to do this be different story, right? Yeah. And so I think that that's if you take anything from this conversation, if anyone takes an thing. It's like, yeah, there's always going to be reasons why you want to do something, there's, there's no money in it. There's no like it. But if it's something that's in your heart that you want to do, like, we can get super ambitious to the point where everything needs to be fucking have a KPI and that needs to be connected into some success metric. What about just like, fucking having fun? And what I think I've said this to you before, it sort of feels like this is something that Josh as a 16 year old would do, right? We came with these make, but the thing is that I, it just is play. It's, we're having fun, we're being playful. We're not giving a fuck. And I think that that's exciting. And it beats like, potentially if, if we were given a show on radio on what that would do it I go. Yeah,
do that stuff again. When it's. Yeah, it's refreshing. having conversations about whatever you want, whenever you want with the person you want. Yeah, not perfect. Near sand. Yeah, it has a time and place but I think this is the spice. Just gonna take a quick story. Before we finish off. I become more emotional as a man that's got a child. I can add this Mary yesterday. Fact. It was all good. And this is what it's like. You'll never understand. We have a kid and I hope you do one day because it was sort of a kid.
You're not my son's father. I mean, second? Yeah.
Josh asked me yesterday. If both if you and Amy die. Would you be happy for brain? I to have? Bodie. I was telling pray that I'll be dead. I wouldn't be able to tell you that I told Bray that I said that will do it. And she actually like gave me like the Go ahead. No, push back. Push back. She's like, we're not even planning on having your own fucking kid. We're not equipped for this. So
you might never feel this. Yeah.
So God, who were the godparents Ryan
and staff I'm his best friend I love them Yeah, but they're not a capital Uh huh. Do you know who my godfather is?
It's a director famous
famous director I you know I'm not good with names Simon Windsor so and we do you know why he directed Free Willy baby did one of the Crocodile Dundee movies that were Free Willy wasn't a fucking Crocodile Dundee by that one of the Crocodile Dundee movie as a separate also, you know what, I've got Dumbo, drop
five 501 movie directors. I've got the book here. What's his name? Simon Windsor. Let's see if he's a boy Andy Warhol where we look at that Andy what good Chelsea girls the poster for that's quite quite full on.
So he's name again. Simon Windsor. The cup ladies feel. Okay. You keep telling funny thing? I hadn't seen him in like 1520 years. Yeah. And I was on the red carpet. I was going to do reporting and his film premiere the cop and as I factor be, give a godfather call before I just can find it on the red carpet. So I called him out of the blue. Yeah, he's a man. He's old school. We should get him on. Oh, you know what? He directed? The Man from Snowy River.
That's good. isn't
one of the iconic Australian Mr. Windsor? w i NC
My mom went to primary school with his ex wife. Well, that's cool. And so she was. She was my godmother, and he's my godfather. Anyway. You look for that. The story yesterday I went to pick up Bodie be very weird. If he wasn't in this book. Anything 501 directors and the guy who made fucking free will ease in here. I don't know how to rate index. But both sides. Very difficult. I'm sorry, Josh. As the tech kid who's been on the internet since he was fucking Command F and on fucking type in his name. None of this funny. Bullshit. Anyway, Bodie went to pick him up from daycare Amy was going out for dinner cells just main the main little man for the night and I got there and dude kid fucking seeing your face and there's something new it's like it is selfish I know it's what you've talked about like not fucking no no no but like having somebody this lovers like look at you and then just fucking crawl towards you and I got down on my knees and he came towards me and he stood up and he just put his arm around me and he held my shoulder and just put his face on me and just stayed there just hugging me with these our is so small that like how me they're facing me of the challenges like the feeling I cannot fucking describe it it's just your hearts fucking just exploding why people get dogs as well right yeah because dogs are good like that yeah but
I think it'll be elements of it because I can sad when the dog bit how what sort of a dog owner were you I mean the thing is I was always envious of my dad because he the one that feeds the dog is usually the one that the dog loves them
so true within and somebody like you or your I mean he loves both of us and that's what he loves his mom so much because she made who stops him cry
moms good at it we both can't Simon Windsor isn't in this manner that anyway looking at Simon with it's my I just want to drop that it's my godfather we should get him on the show yeah it'd be we could show how much banter like is it awkward banter with him or you get I mean you don't have good banter with anyone know I think the thing about getting guests on this podcast is going to be unfortunately
has been a bit weird and awkward site
know they're entering the space we've created yeah and so it's like what are we talking about let's just fucking get going yeah
cuz conversation flows and that's how it happens have a lot of questions about Free Willy like about the whales and how they do it all I do any new I'm Paul Hogan like he's he I know Paul Hogan when I say I know certainly Crocodile Dundee
like I actually worked on I've worked with Paul Hogan we did a special the Paul Hogan show special and yeah i was a camera assistants are not that well shy. No, no, not at all. Shane Jacobson who I am friends with his friends with him. So one one step removed. I mean Paul and I don't have that much in common Yeah, but I remember when the whole tax code is leave you on this tax thing I asked my accountant about like our man he did all of our tax returns shit It was amazing. And I was like, I just want to understand this stuff more like we've got sort of different layers of companies staff and trusts and also she was just like I'd love to like learn like understand this more can you recommend any books or resources and he said we've had people who have been at uni for four years and still don't understand and so no it isn't that such an awful lot feeling like but I feel like there is I'm sure if I was on the idea on all Can you tell me about this specific thing you know you need specific and so that's the thing right? It's like okay healthy stuff where the fuck do you start but if it's like I think I could go in and learn everything there is to know about discretionary trust and then fracking asset management or Sonic what you found is the pain point for him because he's business is basically doing this for others not he's not in the business of teaching others this stuff yeah
but i get i get it you're just you're annoying I am a bit of your fucking
mind to ask you know who get real in the nitty gritty some a great summary we're like really lot like one understand the camera and shit like that but it's also nice having the other ones that just trusting in hiring
other way to let the pro do it's it's cool either way. Anyway,
Happy Friday. Yeah. Enjoy your weekend and on Monday. I guess we can talk about bodies' birthday first birthday party Saturday is Saturday. Is it Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, I can't wait. Okay. Bye guys.