Don't touch my magic wand

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show, Josh and Tommy. Every time we say that, we're trying to say it without sounding like we're some English.

Josh: You said things last time. Did I?

Tommy: I said it last time. Okay, well, I'll never say that again. Welcome back. Yes, another episode. It's Friday the 26th, public holiday, uh, hot as shit where we are, and we're up to episode 9, so we're doing well.

Josh: Yeah, because we started on a Tuesday.

Tommy: Yeah, it's very, it's, it's very dead out there, like there's no one around. I went out for breakfast earlier.

Josh: Where'd you go?

Tommy: Um, what was it called? Breakfast Thieves. And yeah, I got in a situation.

Josh: What happened?

Tommy: And I felt myself like, I felt myself overpower this person who was working there, and then I realised I probably shouldn't have gone that hard. It's the split bill thing.

Josh: Oh, all right. So you know how much I fucking hate this.

Tommy: I was with two mates. I wanted to pay for my thing, the other guys were gonna pay together.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so it was really just doing 2 transactions. I only wanted to pay $17.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And she said, nah, there's no split bill. I said, oh well, we don't have cash, so I'm afraid you're gonna have to do it. And she's like, oh well, we don't. And I said, well, look, I'm just paying for this, so that's $17.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And she said, oh, but I said, well, here's my card. And I just kind of facilitated it and she was so awkward about it and I'm, and I got her there. And I paid for my $17 and it wasn't that hard and didn't need her to put up that front.

Josh: Why do, like, I don't think that there's any reason to do that.

Tommy: Well, there's another place, Pavlov's Duck. These are all in Collingwood. And my mate blew up, didn't go back for a year to this joint, went back a year later, they split bills. We split bills was a sign.

Josh: Really? So, like, It is just, yeah, maybe some systems make it hard. Cheerio was fucking great that we went to in Richmond today, this morning. No problem at all. This is like the, what's the system where you're being, the honesty system. Yeah. Honesty policy.

Tommy: Just had the producer from The Bedroom, Josh's partner, Josh's housemate, otherwise known as girlfriend.

Josh: She's, yeah, the honesty. What was it, Bri? On honesty policy.

Tommy: What's an honesty policy?

Josh: It's literally like you go up at the end and tell them what you had.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: Yeah. So, the honesty, I guess, could be you could say you could not tell them that you had bacon.

Tommy: So, when they come out of it, when they take your order, what do they do?

Josh: They put it down to obviously organi— like to organise.

Tommy: They write it on paper.

Josh: Do they write it down? Ah, fuck. Who cares? It's a boring story.

Tommy: It's— but it's a weird process. Like, do they sell it as the honesty system? Maybe that's the whole thing. It's like wrapped in this, we do this system that's like really honest, but really they're fucking keeping track of this shit.

Josh: Yeah, and I'm sure they are. Like, it's just a big social experiment.

Tommy: Oh, that's just fraught with annoyance.

Josh: I've worked—

Tommy: have you worked in cafes?

Josh: Never.

Tommy: I've worked in cafes and it's all down to—

Josh: did you ever do that in Sydney?

Tommy: Bondi Beach.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: I felt like it was Because I've always had like a profession. I mean, it's never— working in a cafe wasn't my goal as a, as a fucking, you know, I hadn't done training to do it like I did for my personal training course, became a PT, had a studio. So the whole thing was, it was an ego bash for me. I was like, I wouldn't do this in my hometown because I'd feel like if someone saw me there And because everyone knows you as well, but there's no shame in it or— No, but I know there's not, but for some reason, and I don't think like this as much now. I felt like that then for me, because I'd come out of a job and then I was working on radio and then I'm now working in a cafe.

Josh: That's how I saw it. How did you— I guess you could go one of two ways. You either go really, do a really good job, good job of your job, good job of your job, whatever. Or you say, fuck, this is all below me, and you get a bit shitty. Where did you sit?

Tommy: I definitely didn't think it was below me when I was— in terms of doing the actual job.

Josh: So, but yeah, probably the wrong use of words. Were you good, or did you put in a lot of effort?

Tommy: I think I was good. I think I did what was required. And it's amazing that in those— I mean, it's not— there's a bit of pressure in some of those roles, but a lot of the time you're making toasted sandwiches and stuff. And there's still the— all the elements of work, you know, when you work in a big business, that's like high—

Josh: What café was it?

Tommy: My point of saying this is there's all the same elements of working in a big business. Pressure, like people trying to micromanage you, people trying to manage the way you cut a piece of cheese.

Josh: We were talking about this the other day when I bought my camera, about camera shops. The people that work at them.

Tommy: And that's another thing. So, the people that are attracted to working in cafes and stuff for extended periods of time, they're of a certain type.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so are the camera shop people.

Josh: Yeah, the camera shop, like you've got the frustrated creative, you've got the tech geeky one, you've got the student just trying to, you know, have a job and seeing them. And you have all different levels of ages too in that realm. And you can just tell that it doesn't always, doesn't always mix.

Tommy: Mate, I was the personal trainer. You, you, uh, you know, describe a PT, that was me. Like, I fitted, I fit into one of those categories.

Josh: What were you?

Tommy: What was your personal trainer?

Josh: Because you didn't know me when I was a bit cocky, um, uh, sort of a bit sort of loud, alpha, um, Anything's possible if you put your fucking mind to it. A bit of a positive punk that you just wanna punch in the face.

Tommy: That's probably me.

Josh: Is that what you're like?

Tommy: I don't think I was cocky.

Josh: Or not even cocky, just—

Tommy: I know it's me. The positive punk that you wanna punch in the face is a great explanation for a personal trainer.

Josh: It's true. Like fuck, like I just, because the thing is anytime that you're paying anyone for anything, which is a very hard way to live your life because I just feel a bit, I get a bit funny because I'm like, look, the reality is that you're doing this because I'm paying you and you're saying the things that will hopefully retain me as a customer. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, there's that, there's some of those and there's some that are really passionate about actually helping people and they're few and far between, but I was definitely young. What, you know, you had to mix the business with it. As well. So you kind of— and then you're getting pissed on the weekend, so you're totally out of alignment with the product you're selling. I sell health, but then I disregard my health a lot of the time. And I think— and I, I'm glad I'm not in the industry because I like to be here on the weekend.

Josh: It's, it's gone— it's gotten pretty big as well, the PT industry.

Tommy: Yeah, I did my course when I was 17.

Josh: What organisation did you do?

Tommy: Australian Institute of Fitness. They kind of went out and have come back in. I don't know if they went anywhere, but maybe just more crowded the space.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I heard a radio ad.

Josh: Yeah, they do ads and stuff.

Tommy: And so I heard her ad on the radio as a kid and I called up. I was working for my old man and then I was like, I need to do something else.

Josh: What does your dad do again?

Tommy: Landscaper.

Josh: Oh, that's right. Yeah.

Tommy: And so I called up and I was like, fuck, you can do a course at 17. So I did it not knowing anything about the industry.

Josh: And doing the course from start to finish.

Tommy: 8 weeks.

Josh: How much do you actually know by the end? Fuck all. Really? Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, Here's the thing, you— And I always said, like I've mentioned, my mum's a yoga teacher and she's had a problem with these quick courses and stuff.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But—

Josh: Which you did.

Tommy: Which I did. But you get your core, you get your degree.

Josh: And then you develop.

Tommy: And then you can get the hands-on knowledge, which is what I did.

Josh: I started in June 2011. Then who are the fucking tr— Yeah, but the problem is that there's collateral damage because you, when you're learning, It's like saying, you know, you do this really short course and you become a driver, you're not really good yet, but you'll get there, and you're a fucking taxi driver and you're putting everyone else at risk.

Tommy: I guess it's the same. But hey, it's— I've got my boat licence and I can drive a boat that is huge, like 40 metres long, or maybe even more. I can drive almost something that looks like a cruise liner and I have no idea, legally.

Josh: Could you legally, yeah, could you drive the Spirit of Tassie size-wise?

Tommy: No, I don't think so. I think there is a limit.

Josh: There would be a limit.

Tommy: But you can't drive commercial vessels. Ah, of course. But my point is you can pay and do the course and you have this ability.

Josh: Oh, man, there's courses to do everything, right? There's, yeah, I have a completely change of topic which I just thought of.

Tommy: True.

Josh: Best birthday party you've ever had, ever?

Tommy: I've got a—

Josh: Like as a kid, like which one sticks into your mind?

Tommy: Oh man, I did everything from the go-kart party. I was pretty spoiled, I think.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: In that way, like my mum and dad really allowed me.

Josh: Nostalgia alert.

Tommy: Let me do that. So jumping castle.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Grade 7. Beach, not beach volleyball, like indoor volleyball.

Josh: Yeah, I feel like you would have been too cool for a jumping castle.

Tommy: Sorry, did I say year 7?

Josh: Grade 7.

Tommy: I meant 7. 7 years old. But I don't know, have I told you the storey about the magician?

Josh: No.

Tommy: I had a magician to my maybe 8th.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Mate, I want to find this guy's name.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I want to confront him.

Josh: What happened? What did you do?

Tommy: He brought the rabbit, he brought all these tricks and knickknacks, and he got me up in front of everyone and he was doing this like wand, and he'd give me the wand and it would fall, like, it'd fall apart really wonky, and that was the trick. It's like, oh, when he has it, the wand goes hard, and when I have it, it's limp. That sounds so weird. But he gave it to me, I grabbed it, I pressed the end of it, went hard.

Josh: What are we talking about again?

Tommy: The magician's wand.

Josh: That sounds so fucked up.

Tommy: But It was one of those things, you press the end of the wand and it— but here's the thing, so I fooled him and I worked out how to do his little magic trick and he grabbed my hand so hard and he squeezed. I'm squeezing Josh's hand right now.

Josh: Oh, he's doing it.

Tommy: He squeezed my hand. He said, don't you ever fucking do that. No, maybe not said fuck, he said don't you do that again. I was so distraught.

Josh: You would be.

Tommy: What a punk.

Josh: No, you're a punk too, because he was probably like, like, the thing is that if you were the same age, you would have out-alfied him, like you would have been mean to him. So, he was sort of, the only thing that he had was that he was 35 and you were 8. But the, um, we actually had jumping castles in Year 12. —As like a going away. Did you, what was your muck-up?

Tommy: Oh, I didn't finish school, mate.

Josh: Sorry to bring it up. Did you go to the muck-up, anyone else's muck-up day? You weren't like a toolie type of deal? No, I was working. Well, yeah, you would have, man, you've been working, making money, making coin. The, it's the reason you can have breakfast in the morning. The jumping castle at muck-up day, they You need basically adult, like ones that can work with adults, right? Because it's like you're heavy and all that sort of thing. The thing is that the only jumping castles for adults that they had at the place they rented from had big cocks on them, like inflated cocks. So, they actually, if you looked on the side, you could see that they had like roped the cock down so you couldn't see it.

Tommy: What was it? And obviously it was discounted.

Josh: Well, you would think so, but yeah, I thought that was really funny as a last.

Tommy: I went to a friend's 18th birthday party. Yeah. At this club and I knew what the club was and most people there didn't know what the club was.

Josh: What was it? Where was it?

Tommy: What sort of club? It's on St. Kilda Road. Yeah. Nepean Highway. And it's like a big silver building and dark windows, looks like a nightclub. Yeah. It's a sex club. Really? It's like a swingers leather BDSM.

Josh: I like how you say leather.

Tommy: Leather. Leather BDSM. So, like, here's the thing. My friend's parents knew the owners of the club. Really?

Josh: And— Could you tell? Did it have a smell?

Tommy: Well, my brother had told me about it growing up.

Josh: How old? What's the age difference between you and your brother?

Tommy: 4 and 8. Between middle and oldest.

Josh: Wait, so 8 years difference in older?

Tommy: So he told me because his mate went there.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I could— he told me details about what goes on in there. So I knew all this stuff as a kid. You'd really look around, wouldn't you? And I went in and I asked one of the bouncers in there, I was like, oh, so what's this place normally? Just prodding a bit. Oh, it's just a club.

Josh: He grabbed you and he said, you don't know. And it was the magician.

Tommy: I touched his wand. No, but on the wall were like obviously frames being— that were hung up that had been taken down. So there's like things where you could tell there was meant to be lots of images on the wall, and I could imagine what the images were.

Josh: How, um, what, what has been the biggest shock going from being a young adult to an adult? Like, what has shocked you the most about adulthood?

Tommy: Having to pay GST.

Josh: Like as in your BAS and all that sort of shit, like doing it as a company. Fuck that. Sort of annoying. Yeah, tax is interesting, isn't it? You don't really think about tax much as a kid. Nah.

Tommy: I mean, admittedly, I was into it because I had to be, because I had my own business from really young. Yeah. And so—

Josh: But when you're young versus now is such a different game, right? Like when you're young, I was just the loosest unit going around. Um, just like had no idea. I had no sense of what, like, what it all meant. And I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface.

Tommy: Yeah, well, and, and I remember doing it all on paper. Now there's programs, like, the evolution of technology has made, made it simpler, I think. Like, I couldn't be fucked writing out and going through receipt books and looking.

Josh: Surely we're gonna get to a point where we just don't need receipts at all, that it's all like You think if you're doing a fucking credit card purchase, surely they can attach that receipt to it. Like, why even have a receipt?

Tommy: I know. Well, if you've made the purchase into your credit card or your account, there is a transaction record. So, technically you shouldn't need to keep anything, but then—

Josh: You need to have a receipt though, right? I keep receipts for all that shit.

Tommy: Yeah, I take photos of everything now and then throw them out. And then, yeah, it's— I paid— I just turned on Apple Pay, like with my ING for my iPhone.

Josh: And you're loving it or what's the—

Tommy: Yeah, it's amazing.

Josh: Like the watch, I still get people, like when I use the Apple Watch, I always get smartass comments and I've like, I just say, yeah, it's the future's now.

Tommy: So, you press one button. Yeah. Turns on your—

Josh: I press a double tap.

Tommy: Yeah. And now you can pay.

Josh: And I can pay. It's got a little photo.

Tommy: It's got a little image of your card. Does it say your number there? Can you see it? You see like the last 4 digits.

Josh: I'm guessing.

Tommy: Yeah. And then you just hold your watch on the thing. Yeah. And beep.

Josh: But what I was thinking is it's like that novelty would have existed with just other currencies, right? Like when they went from coins to having notes.

Tommy: Was there only coins? That sounds dumb of me, but was there only a time that was just—

Josh: Maybe I'm wrong, but I would have assumed that like it would have started with gold and silver and shit. And then they would have been like, oh, fuck it, let's like, let's have paper which references that. Yeah. And so there would have been people going, what do you got there?

Tommy: Like the fascination.

Josh: 'Cause it's like, oh, this is the— It's like when you get a first $10, like the new $10 note. Yeah.

Tommy: I showed, I was fascinated when you first did it.

Josh: Yeah. It feels like, I feel like a wanker when I do it. But I remember— You clear the floor, you stand back everybody. I do make a big deal. The annoying thing is doing it in drive-through. You nearly dislocate your fucking arm trying to reach. Have you taken off your watch yet to reach over to do it? I haven't, I haven't. The, oh, when I was buying something the other day, I used a card that I never use. I didn't have the PIN. And do you, how quickly do you, like, can you get into hot sweats quickly? Like, do you ever get into a point where it's like, I feel this, I feel like that I've, I get it in a big way. What are you saying?

Tommy: You were like in the queue and then you—

Josh: Like, so I was there, I'd been spending, I'd been like going back and forth on price and trying to squeeze, which I hadn't done for such a long time, but it was a decent size purchase. I wanted to get the best price and it came to pay and I hadn't used the card in like forever. And yeah, I put in the thing and it said, oh, sorry, that PIN wasn't right. I'm like, "Okay." And then you just like start— What were you worried? What's going through your head? I'm just like, "If I can't, after all of that, if I can't walk away with the camera, I'm going to be so pissed." And I just felt that it was, it's the same equivalent, it's the same feeling as you're on the plane going overseas and you realise you forgot to call the bank, which you were talking about yesterday.

Tommy: It's, yeah, I mean, you have a bit of leeway, but like that's constructed in your head about that. Yeah, or because you could have got it somehow, called somebody, gone to the bank.

Josh: I was like, yeah, it worked out, it worked, but it was with Citibank and they didn't have fucking banks around. Online banks. Yeah, but, um, the— what sort of— what was the amount? Oh, actually, here's one. How much did your parents spend on you as a kid for like birthdays, Christmases?

Tommy: I can't remember because it would have changed, like Remember, $50 bucks 10 years ago was, 25, 20 years ago was a lot different than now.

Josh: What did your parents teach you about money? What was their relationship with money? How did they speak about it?

Tommy: I think they had a good relationship, but the honest thing is I can't remember. Maybe, and so that might mean that I didn't, we weren't having a conversation.

Josh: You were a bit sort of shaded by it, like you were.

Tommy: I always, like my mom used to help me with my tax stuff and so she had an understanding. My dad knew, numbers he, you know, I used to watch him quoting jobs and using like this big doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.

Josh: And then print out. It's almost like a receipt, like a—

Tommy: It looks like a receipt machine with a calculator attached. And so it's spitting out the equations. Wow. And he would do that to quote jobs. 'Cause I'm sure— Was it residential or commercial landscaping?

Josh: Everything.

Tommy: Yeah. But you know, there's—

Josh: So he knows a lot about plants? He's a genius.

Tommy: Really? Plants. You don't really have many plants at your house, do you? My dad, my parents' place, like my family home, fuck, that garden is sick.

Josh: So, he would be able to tell us a bit about plants. Can he get good prices on plants? I'm getting a bit—

Tommy: Oh, you can get wholesale on some stuff. Indoor plants? But, indoor plants, I don't think so. There's so many competing wholesale warehouses now that— You just rock up.

Josh: Wholesale warehouse. What the fuck?

Tommy: It's not wholesale, like, It's for everybody then. Yeah. So, it's like a selling point. It's the same with discount clothes warehouses.

Josh: It's just they're selling clothes. Yeah, it's always— I find that the saddest sale I've ever been to was the Dick Smith sale because they literally had to— Liquidation. Yeah, administration or whatever. They had— The saddest sale. Seriously, the saddest. They didn't have— They weren't wearing uniforms. And it probably was like temp staff that just came in that was sort of part of the administrators to come in and sort it all out or hired through them. But they were just selling everything, like they were selling the security beepers at the front. They had prices on them. No. The shelves. Which one was this? This was, this would have been Hawthorn. And I was just like, oh, I went in there to actually find if they had something, right? Like, oh, have you got, I'm looking after this, looking for this cable. And they literally just had like old iPhone cases and like bits of like shelving and shit. Like it was really sad.

Tommy: Shit. How long was the sale on for?

Josh: Like, it obviously— I don't know. I would have gotten the tail end. It was probably like the last day. Oh, that was the other thing. Get the most depressing. No, how about this? No lights on. It was dark. No. It was fucking dark. Swear it was dark. I don't know, like, what the deal was, but I think they had like a temp light up that they must have like patched out, but—

Tommy: They'd been cut off, power was gone. They were fading into the storm.

Josh: I guess they're like, okay, we need to do this at the cheapest thing possible. It would be a sad, sad time for a business. Yeah.

Tommy: Do you know Dick Smith was selling, what was it, cheese? Really? I'm pretty sure at one point.

Josh: At the electri— At Dick Smith Electronics or just Dick Smith?

Tommy: Yeah, Dick Cheese.

Josh: Oh, that's who you're talking about. No, honestly, they did—

Tommy: what did they, um— Dick Hands? Dick Hands?

Josh: Well, so that was Dick— so the thing is Dick Smith, I think, sold that whole Dick Smith Electronics brand years ago. And so then he'd been into all the Australian-made shit, like the Australian-made Tim Tams.

Tommy: Oh, that's right. Their peanut butter is pretty good. I still get that.

Josh: Why don't we have peanut butter, like chocolate and peanut butter as a real thing in Australia? Like— What do you mean? In the States, it's like so common that if anywhere you go, you can get chocolate and peanut butter together. Yeah. And then, and jelly.

Tommy: So, chocolate and jelly.

Josh: Yeah, that as well, like peanut butter and jelly, but peanut butter and chocolate, like why do— Why in Australia don't we have peanut butter M&Ms?

Tommy: That is a good point.

Josh: Do you know, I tried to, I went through this stage of really craving Pop-Tarts, had never had them before.

Tommy: At what age? 22. Your mum was what, just depriving you of—

Josh: No. Well, I just never, I couldn't. Yeah, I don't know why. Like, there was just never a thing, right? But the thing is, I contacted USA Foods, which is near Harp's office. And they said, "Oh, you can't, we can't import them." Because there was cow hide that's used in the product, like the gelatin type stuff. So, I went on this big thing, I don't know if that's right. So, I was like calling like customs, like I was doing all of this research to go to them like, "You guys are wrong, you can get them." And I remember I found a, there's a place in Melbourne central who must have been just importing them illegally or they just didn't give a shit. And I had them and it was just such a disappointment. What ones? I can't remember which one, but they sat in there. They just sat in our cupboard, just didn't.

Tommy: Mate, I was obsessed with them. You know, you can buy in the supermarket now.

Josh: In the Australian one?

Tommy: Coles supermarket. Really? In the fucking, Aisle where the cereal is, you can buy like 3 or 4 or 5 different varieties. I just thought like— But they don't sell the marshmallow ones.

Josh: The thing is that because that's all the shit that's like cancerous or whatever. That's an interesting thing about California. All the, everything's gonna fucking cause you cancer and they have to put it on all those signs. You know, like you go into— I've seen that. If you go to a bar, it will say this venue has carcinogenic material, blah, blah, blah. Same at Disneyland and shit. They've got these signs everywhere. It's like regulate. And so, if you've got alcohol, there's some studies that say that there's, they cause— It's a real thing with Disneyland.

Tommy: And I met a guy who just recently, who has a bunch of young kids and he goes to Disneyland without doubt every single year. It's a thing that he's like, he got excited telling me about it. This was a grown man. And he's getting excited.

Josh: I know people that are, yeah, I've got some American friends who they live in San Diego and they have an annual pass and they just go up and they've got the fucking custom ears and shit with their name on it, which is fine. You haven't been? I haven't been. I've been, yeah, I've done Disney World, Disneyland, and Bree was really into to theme parks and it wasn't until our last Disney World, probably 2 years ago, where I was just like, this is so fucked. And Bree's like, yeah, it was. And the annoying thing was like, we could have gone to fucking Cuba, awesome experience. No, not many people had sort of like, hadn't opened up to the US at that point. Could have done that. Instead we spent, we would have spent like over $1,500 on tickets for all the different like theme parks.

Tommy: Oh, I guess it's a memory.

Josh: Tell me about the smell. I mean, yeah, being punched in the face is a memory as well. Yeah, they have like a, they have this like specific smell that they'll pump throughout the place. What is it? It smells like, I think it's similar. I think they have this as well, but this is like the main smell that I sort of remember. You know those like sugary nuts that you can get in New York or whatever? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: They're like cooking in vats of like big, like deep pans or something.

Josh: Yeah. Like woks almost. It smells like that.

Tommy: And they're roasting up with sugar on top.

Josh: Yeah. That smells good. But yeah, so, but it's just Disney World, Disneyland, like all the worst people are there. But you do have The one bit where it's like you see people who are sick, who was like, this is it. But my thing is the last pla— If I'm in a fucking wheelchair and I'm sick, the last thing, and maybe that's my privilege, right? The last thing I want though is to fucking have all these annoying fuckers around me and waiting in line for shit. But you know, if it's magical for some people and that's like their wish, then that's great. Yeah.

Tommy: I think doing them, if you've never done a theme park, go.

Josh: Doing anything once is worthwhile. Going, like, there's no point even listening to me, like, go to Disney World, go to Disneyland and have that experience. You might decide that you love it. But for me, roller coasters and all that sort of shit, like, the standard roller coasters are fine, but the ones where there's more motion to it, it's like, I'm literally like, Going on a ride, trying not to vomit for a few minutes.

Tommy: Are you one of those dudes that would vomit on a ride?

Josh: I have, I've never vomited, but I've felt really sick. Do you get seasick? Yes, really bad. I vomited all the way to Tassie. This was years ago. Really?

Tommy: Yeah. And so, what are you going to do? Are you going to go on boats while you're overseas?

Josh: Yeah, we'll just take Travacam. But the thing is you don't take the fucking all natural ginger one, it's bullshit. It's not doing shit for you. It's like, that is the definition of a placebo that doesn't fucking work. Like if you take ginger and you don't get seasick, you don't fucking get seasick. Because like, and even Mum said, I remember when I was getting, Bree and I recently went to Perth and we were going to, what's the island? Rottnest. Rottnest Island. I said, oh, I'll just get these ones. And Bree said, you know, they're ginger. I'm like, oh, that'll be fine. Bree's like, your mum wouldn't agree. I think that she— and sure enough, mum's right. It was, um, we were like, Bree and I were both like sitting on the boat chewing them, like doing that, those like breathe breaths that you do when you're like trying to throw them.

Tommy: Like, with your mouth watering?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah, you feel it. Anyway, there's another episode of The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: It's hot. I'm getting sweaty.

Josh: We need to turn the aircon on. But what do you think of the format? Like, let's just have a quick retro. We... Do you think that this one worked okay? Yeah. It wasn't too boring, was it? It was like, I feel quite low energy today, maybe. But I think there was some interesting stuff there.

Tommy: I think the discovery of a conversation is what we're doing. Yeah. Is where's it go?

Josh: What, where did we start? I can't even remember.

Tommy: That's the thing. You're 30 minutes in and you forget everything you've just spoken of. We talked about my birthday. Oh yeah. Magic wand. Touching the end of the wand.

Josh: It's outrageous, isn't it?

Tommy: Anyway, subscribe to the podcast, thedailytalkshow.com.

Josh: And we're both on YouTube, tommy'syoutube.com/tommyjacket.

Tommy: /joshjanson.

Josh: And thedailytalkshow.com for all the previous episodes. And we're on Instagram with the same name. Thanks, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you next episode. Number 10 coming up. Happy Friday.