EP 976
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the drone spot.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys in the calendar just like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:16] story,
Josh Janssen: [00:00:20] the daily talk show episode 976.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:22] Happy, weird Wednesday,
Josh Janssen: [00:00:24] everyone also known as hump day. It is.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:29] Taste something weird, not weird. What's your, what's your vibe on? I mean, you don't have a kid this actually the best, because I can ask you and then you can give me a real answer. Do you think parents don't give real answers to?
No. No.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:44] As in, uh, I don't have that experience, so maybe I can give something that's slightly different than the average.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:52] Yeah. Bodie is a sponge. Kids are sponges. I mean, there is dirty is this punch and we know you hate, I
Josh Janssen: [00:01:00] hate sponges. This is why you're not having punches. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:04] That is the funniest little bit where I throw you a sponge.
Yeah, that's really gross. Have you actually not touched
Josh Janssen: [00:01:11] us? I just use the, um, the, the ones with the handles on them. That's really nice. You know
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:17] why we
Josh Janssen: [00:01:19] know?
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:21] So, um, uh, Saturday night, Uh, having a little fun time with bodies' friend who was over. I mentioned yesterday that pizza's in the backyard, but. Um, Amy had a playlist.
She's going to play lists going on, Spotify it to pregnancy. It's a like, um, go-time playlist. So in the baby's coverage playlist, well, it's kind of like when you get to the hospital, when you get to set it all up, you get the playlist going there's there's in your mind. And then there's reality in reality could go out the window, but at least you have a
Josh Janssen: [00:01:51] playlist.
What sort of songs we talking?
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:54] I had a go at it this morning. About her playlist because, um, I'm thinking
Josh Janssen: [00:02:00] was playing it before, like surely there's something in a holding onto them and only, you know, if you, if you're going to play eye of the tiger, play it as you're coming out onto the court rather than it every single day.
Yeah. Because
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:15] then it doesn't fire you. Yeah. So she's putting in her favorite songs, some really great stuff in there. Um, it goes from, you know, almost like the, the, um, uh, what's his name? Ben Hava, no, this, some like sort of melodic stuff, but into then some hip hop in my sick tunes, one being, uh, N word in Paris.
And if you know this song, Jay Z, Kanye West, it's off their, um, watch the throne album, one of the best albums. I think it's such a thing. One of the best albums collaboration between the two, one, one of the best albums between them American and this one N word, you know, what that is in Paris is one of the songs.
And so on the co on the artwork of it is, and then it's like, you know what it means, but they don't spell it out. In the song, they say it out
Josh Janssen: [00:03:10] loud, aggressive lyric, beautiful B boom. It's
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:15] a six song. And as a white guy, I get around it, but you obviously can't be screaming the lyrics. Um, and it's now a hard bodies' favorite song.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:28] So, so is it Amy? Is it on Amy's playlist? Which she
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:32] was pumping at our, at our, um, Saturday night pizza night in the backyard. And so end in Paris was playing and there's always a time where you like, Oh, it's a great tune, a heart. They don't sort of catch on to it.
Josh Janssen: [00:03:49] And he has caught onto
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:51] it and he thinks the song is called.
Knickers in
Josh Janssen: [00:03:56] Paris. Yeah. Which still it's still, uh, it's too close to too. It's problematic. Yeah. It's way too
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:04] close. And so I've really psyched. He says, can you play that song? I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, Nick is in Paris. And at this point I've stopped. I'm like the, I'm not the fumbling parent.
Who's like, Oh you so you're like, like Nick is like underwear. Like your knickers you've got on now. Yeah, Nick
Josh Janssen: [00:04:20] is. Yeah. You're like, well, we can't play that song
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:22] anymore, but I've found the right. The radio waves. Okay. Which drops it in Paris. Like it's just grabs it back. End of something.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:31] But dude, I remember as a kid, there was a song on you, you know, Venus
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:36] then your desire and it's
Josh Janssen: [00:04:39] pretty time isn't it.
But I would always sing it, uh, on your penis. And, um, I knew what the words were, but it would always get a reaction. The song that I, uh, that my mum gave birth to me playing. I know, I know this. Yes. Yes. I mean, we had a record player back then was a, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:01] how would have they been playing that like through, uh, Right on the
Josh Janssen: [00:05:04] radio.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:05] That's like her birth song was,
Josh Janssen: [00:05:10] yeah. Wow. Uh, it was a wild thing. You make my heart saying, are you serious? Turn who we've lost? Oh, Stella
um, picked my nose yesterday
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:29] and I still have still a couldn't handle the village
Josh Janssen: [00:05:33] contest and also seeing, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:35] well, that's interesting because, and so my thing with the it's all about Amy and what Shay wants in that moment. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:42] I'm surprised. Like she, she doesn't seem like a real heavy rap kind of person.
I would've thought. Missy Higgins over Missy Elliott, you know, in regards to genre?
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:55] No. Um, no, I mean, she, she, she, she loves all of that stuff too, but like
Josh Janssen: [00:06:01] what else is on the
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:02] playlist? Oh God, I'm just, I'm not, I can't, I could
Josh Janssen: [00:06:05] probably look more. Yeah. Cause you are logged into her account one
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:09] Spotify account.
How do you find artists? Albums playlist? Yep. Um, go time. Yeah. Right here we go. Here we go. Um, Leon bridges. Oh, he's beautiful. Alabama shakes, Frank ocean. Great. Uh, see, this is all the stuff. I don't know. Agnes OBL Suffern Stevens, Fleetwood Mac yet Neil young. Um, yeah, Kanye West more Kanye West ASAP. Rocky.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:39] Do you think you're a Mandarin Lamar? Oh
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:40] my God. Humble. Sit down. Be humble. That's nice. Well, it's, uh, it's.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:47] Uh, are you, uh, do you think you're a music guy? Like I'm, I'm not like I'm like Amy, Amy's more of a music guy than you are, or she studied music at uni Shaw. And so she's into it as well. Like, because I think of her as like someone who sings or whatever, but not like necessarily getting into artists.
So she loves artists. Well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:06] she, yeah, she knows a
Josh Janssen: [00:07:07] lot more than I did. When was the last concert you two went to together?
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:10] God, it was probably one for me. Um, three 60 the rapper. Oh yeah, he's doing well now he, he, he had a pretty severe drug addiction and sort of Panadol was dope. He was smashing near from pluses things that had caught him, but he was real bad.
Like he's coming from a real dark place. He's just been starting to post a bunch on his Instagram and he started rapping again. But man, depression's a deep fucking hole. It's very hard to get your way back. He's just said that he went to Southland, which, uh, lasts a
Josh Janssen: [00:07:42] couple of weeks ago. And what's that going to do to your mental health?
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:45] I know, but for a guy that hadn't been out in six months, why go to, so
Josh Janssen: [00:07:49] I was like, I randomly go anywhere. Good go to the Dandenongs. Still go to see nature.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:55] Maybe it's like, maybe it's a, like a, a, um, extreme. Yeah. And so he went there and he said that someone came up to him and was like, mate, I fucking have gone through what you have drug addiction.
Like. And he said it was the sweetest thing. He's just got this runs on social media on Instagram, but he did disappeared for a long time. Three 60 Ozzy rapper. I sorry, when I was like 13 years old, probably 12 around that long. Well, he was, he was doing like freestyle rap battles as a young dude. And I remember seeing him at one in Melbourne, the scene called run a muck, my mate, conspiracy, Jimmy, and I used to go to rap battles.
And I'd say people like, you know, it was like a real, it was the lad Eshay sane of today was back then. Graffiti artists dressed in tins and all, I did feel Japanese
Josh Janssen: [00:08:44] full conspiracy, Jimmy, when they were on it, was it revolver? And that was a new, um, clothing line. And I just remember filming and swimming in that safe.
When I say Baytown town, you say clothing, beat clothing. Yeah, it was, and there was a lot of, sort of pop on us. I wonder if he remembers, but he didn't remember Baytown clothing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:09] I, you remember the talk of it, but I'd never was that
Josh Janssen: [00:09:12] I filmed filmed. There's a New York times, uh, video series. It's called, um, diary of a song diary of a song.
Yeah. So it's like, um, Taylor Swift talking about like deconstructing a song. And so they, they get bits from like the producer, um, the artist who made the song, uh, driver's license. You don't don't don't don't it starts off like that
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:40] now at it from Taylor Swift.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:42] No, it's not a Taylor Swift. It's someone else it's uh, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:47] people are like, Oh yes, I may try to.
Sing to Amy, like, uh, do exactly what you just did and she thought I don't
Josh Janssen: [00:09:55] get it. No. So the, um, I'm sure. Tone deaf. I mean, this is, we're going to be absolutely trolled for, for doing this, um, based on standing out lyrics. Um, I got my driver's license last week. Just like we always talked about, because you were so excited for me to finally drive up to your house who saw her name's Olivia Rodrigo.
Okay,
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:17] Disney. Yeah. You've talked about this. This is the song you were writing and
Josh Janssen: [00:10:22] you've just lost two more pounds, but we were probably dying to people, but, um, sorry, there was a great video. Of Olivia describing, going through how it was all created. And she actually swears in the, the, um, uh, the song she thought that was called, like, you know, just trying to get rid of her sort of younger image.
Oh yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:47] Um, well you got to shake it. Yeah. I mean, how do you, I mean, this is not consideration for people that aren't famous, like shaking your younger image. Maybe there's something about shaking. Like I've felt over the last five years now, maybe yeah. Five years. You should, the younger brother thing. And you really start coming into yourself.
You're coming into your own. You're either doing something where you feel like you don't need to be treated as that younger brother needing to be lifted off. Um, that's definitely
Josh Janssen: [00:11:20] a vibe. I think that I always was pushing back on it. Like I was, I've always acted like a 50 year old. But I think that you like definitely, um, yeah, you've seen it with you over time.
I think just like the expectations of like, yeah, you you're lifting up your brothers or the people around you
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:39] now clot out clause as a year, as a younger sibling or as an individual to have other people looking after you, you know, like it's an app close to. To maybe not take the responsibility or you can take more risks when you're younger.
Yeah. Because you've got more time or you can see it that way and see how people would like I'll have a crack at this doesn't mean I'll make any money, but you and I having a conversation yesterday about how there's one part of your mind that wants to go and do the creative thing that makes no money.
But then you're like, that's going backwards at this point. And so how do you not get trapped into
Josh Janssen: [00:12:16] that? Have you started listening to Derek Sivers audio book? Listen to the first four minutes. It's quite good. So Derek Sivers he, I think he wrote a blog post initially called hell yeah. Or no, which is then turned into a book, turned it into a book.
So he's got a bunch of, um, he wrote a book called everything you want. He founded a business called CD baby, which our revolution revolutionized the way that, uh, music artists would publish their music. So it was always very hard to get. I think, I don't know if it's the same term, but you know, like an ESPN number, which you get for like a book for authors.
Um, yeah, so there's like a, I think it's called an ISBM. Let's have a liquid, an ISB N number, um, in, so when I, yeah, an ISP in is, um, is like a database, uh, that has all books and stuff and there's something like that for if I type in music, like there's a similar thing for music CDs. Yeah, I S I SPN, uh, for books, magazines, and CDs anyway, to, to be able to get onto Amazon and to get on to iTunes and to sell, you would need to get nice BN and, um, CD baby would make it easy so that in Indies could get access to that.
And so Derek Sivers started this, he, um, is a musician, turned entrepreneur, sold it for $10 million or whatever, and then decided he was living in the U S he's, um, completely moved to New Zealand and then moved to the UK and then has come back to New Zealand. But a very interesting American dude. Yes, really interesting guy, uh, writes back to all of these emails.
I mean, you've hit him up and
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:07] can you interview
Josh Janssen: [00:14:08] him this way? And so when the minimalists went to Oakland, that's right. They interviewed, uh, Derek, um, onstage. Did you
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:17] email him say, Hey Matt, it's a camera guy.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:21] He writes back to do everything, but he
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:25] hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Or no.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:28] 15 us dollars. You buy it on his website, you get a DRM free copy, which is like digital rights management.
So you don't have to worry about it by playing an audible or whatever, which is actually to be honest, sometimes the DRM free thing. He's a little bit more confusing, cause like, ah, how do I actually play this? And so it's like, Oh, I've got to get VLC on my phone. Or, uh, I actually just played it directly off iCloud through the browser.
The file. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:58] Do you think it's a, um, is he, so he was asking himself that question, uh, would you like to go with the publisher? And he said, hell no, I didn't say hell yes to that. So he's doing it himself. Ah, interesting. Interesting. Is there, what have you taken from? How long, how many minutes have
Josh Janssen: [00:15:14] you listened to?
So it goes for two and a half hours or whatever, which is digestible. I liked that he wrote book code, everything that you want, which was all about his journey with say day, baby. And he's just very aligned with your thinking around things like social media, RA, just all that sort of stuff. Um, but yeah, I think, uh, I just like, like when I'm.
Uh, when I met him, he would have his computer and he would like use a DAS or some sort of old, he had no like, um, uh, graphics, like graphical interface. He was coding to like open his computer. And you would write his blog posts, like
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:56] does, um, is that before he made the money or so
Josh Janssen: [00:16:00] he, he made all the money and then, uh, when he moved to New Zealand, the only thing that he was really doing was he would journal.
For hours a day, just journaling personal journals.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:12] Yeah. I mean, it's the, it's hard because a lot of people get trapped in the thought of what would I do if money wasn't an issue it's like, and I think it's okay to say not what I'm doing right now, because you'd have resources to do something else. You'd have the mains to focus on something else, which it
Josh Janssen: [00:16:32] won't fix.
It. Won't fix all your problems.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:35] Exactly, exactly. But. It's uh, it's there is a plethora of books that are written by people who have had to go through this, the, the, that horrible moment of realizing, fuck. I'm not, I'm not the person I want to be. I'm so out of alignment, But the people who are writing these books have also also managed to sell the business for a lot of
Josh Janssen: [00:17:01] money.
Have you heard of George Soros,
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:04] George Soros? He's a bad character. Why do you say that? I don't know. It sounds like a, uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:17:10] do you know anything about him
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:11] or no? Give me a I'm thinking
Josh Janssen: [00:17:14] of, um, you probably are like, I could, I could imagine some of the stuff Julina do. Yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:20] yeah, yeah. So he's up to no good. He's it.
He's connected to old mate. Oh, he might've stayed
Josh Janssen: [00:17:26] a deny. I don't know the, um, we watched a doco, so there's the Jewish international film festival on it. He's a billionaire. So Jewish international film festival Lido, a bunch of difference. Um, cinemas, I think there's a few cinemas involved playing films.
And so we saw Soros. On the weekend, very sort of the, um, right. Conservative hate him. So like, um, Fox news, he's a guy who, uh, grew up during some, the Holocaust stuff and was, um, You know, hiding in Budapest. Uh, and he ended up making a heap of money through banks. Oh, sorry. Through, um, like he was a hand hedge fund guy.
Uh, but he, over the last 20 or so years has been investing all of it into, um, all these different types of causes. So it's all the interesting thing is that the causes. Most of the ones that I would say, it's like, you know, it's things that are really positive. Um, but then you also, you also see that the money only goes so far or it sort of creates a world of its own.
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:45] Um, I just looked, is he the guy that is our owner of Medina, they're the people that are creating, um, one of the vaccines for
Josh Janssen: [00:18:58] the. They didn't talk about it in the doco, but, um, but it was just interesting because yeah, he's is hated by a bunch of people and even Bree and I were listening to a guy next to us.
It was just fucking grumpy. I don't fucking like him. I like him. And then he, you know, he's, wife's like, Oh, Don't be like that. Like even, even after think they're showing all the F philanthropic things that he's done, like he would go into a of trees like men Mar and all these places that have had huge amounts of turmoil and would try and provide support talking about, um, open societies, which is sort of, uh, another take of democracy.
It's like, rather than being too rigid in the democracy thing, it's just like, Hmm. Because he's a Jewish guy that's, you know, went through everything that was happening with the Nazis. He's like, um, I wanna you to look after people that are, um, minorities, basically. You say the, the
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:56] link people who T sway towards, you know, the conspiracy or the, um, um, the, the view on.
Rich people who are doing good stuff that it's then connected back to money. So bill Gates.
Josh Janssen: [00:20:10] Yeah. Yes. Like, well, so he's more, so serous is more, um, uh, controversial. Then bill Gates, sorry. He, because SaaS has, we're really aligned with some of these political things. Like, you know, like black lives matter, all of this sort of stuff.
A lot of the right wing media, like Fox news were, you know, talking about this is all of his money. That's, that's creating all of this violence and he would also, um, give more money to things and governments would, so he would go into these places and actually. Be providing more. And so the question is individuals, like what happens when individuals have that much power, whether they're doing things for good or not just the impact on one individual trying to say what's right and what's wrong and where they're putting the money.
Which
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:06] can be a slippery slope massively,
Josh Janssen: [00:21:09] but also you can, he, his whole thing was like trusting people. And then until they break the trust and there was a bunch of issues with Manmar with, uh, uh, what's it called, like cleansing, like, um, like religious, ethnic cleansing and things like that, which he was obviously completely against, but that stuff started happening.
And so he not only gave a bunch of money, but then ended up having to go in and try and. Fixed Alisha's I don't know anything about what's
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:37] hard and you don't know what to believe, because if you type in right now, just Jeff Soros, George , um, like, uh, George Soros, conspiracy. Like, if you look for shit about him, you'll find it.
If you look for positive, you will find it. How do you not? It's like, yeah. Whose side do you want? I think it's not as easy as that. That's what people want. They want. Yeah. One side, not the nuance of it, because it's easier to digest and understand the one side. He's a bad dude. He's a good guy.
Josh Janssen: [00:22:09] Yeah. I think the, um, and also stuff I Q Anon probably hasn't helped all of the conspiracies because yeah.
The sense that you got is, uh, so what people. Are angry about, seems to be around, you know, if you are super conservative and you've got someone who is left-leaning, that's putting heaps of money into these things, that's against what you want the world to be or what you think it should be. You perceive him as a bad guy, whereas like there is nuance and I don't know about the, um, they didn't go into any of that dark stuff, but there was the whole, the start of the documentary was all about, um, uh, showing the Fox news stuff, showing, um, his critics and then.
Once you say that you like you, you open with the doco thinking, Oh, this guy's not great. And then you actually hear him speak and you see what he's actually doing. Hmm. And it's, it's definitely a different perspective than you can say. How quickly a little bit of inflammation around this, person's a bit dodgy or, you know, Jeffrey Epps, like, all you have to say is Jeffrey Epstein nowadays.
And it's like, uh, Oh, okay. Because it's, so
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:32] how annoyed at all the people that were connected to that guy, but like just one plant, they just do something so innocent. It's like, Oh no, like Chris Tucker's caught up in that. The actor. Oh, yeah, we'll say done. Well, I flew on the leader express and so, but like, this is just little bits of info that I'm gathering from.
Um, my Q1 Q1 on newsletter. I get everywhere now I'm Jackie sub stack my subs. Heck no, but this is little bits that you see and, but then it forms an opinion about these people. Imagine realizing. Holy shit. Fuck it. If you did get caught up, you're like, Oh my God, they're onto, I'm now part of a conspiracy, like some fucking full, deep QN on conspiracy.
Like that's next level shit. But maybe they, I mean, w the one takeaway from, uh, Meghan Harry, the Prince, the Prince interview. They didn't look at the stuff like she wasn't looking. So maybe there's billionaires that just don't care if they're actually on a yacht. And then like, why would I care? Why would I bother
Josh Janssen: [00:24:39] Soros was saying that he was pretty depressed at times with stuff.
I thought money bought happiness. Yeah. But there's also, I think that what people are funny about is any one individual thinking that they can have the amount of impact. That he was having. So it's like, it requires like most people don't think that they can change the world. And if you think that you can change the world, you are tweaked.
Definitely. Um, and so you look at people like Elon Musk and you're like tweaked,
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:13] which is why he's got so far. Do you remember? It's probably more tweaked people that think something that they're totally not capable of. And you see someone like Elon Musk, he's a genius. Like his brain works in a different way to the 99.9, 9% of the population,
Josh Janssen: [00:25:29] but he can also have flawed thinking.
I think like the interesting thing about, uh, a bunch of these people is it's like, you can be really on the money about certain things, but then other things being completely off. And that's like, the hard thing is like, if you are really good at maths, if you're a maths genius, It doesn't mean that you have a bunch of insights on all these other things.
Whereas like, I think that we're so black and white that, uh, so say using the word genius saying Elon Musk is a genius. It, it feels like it removes the nuance of Elon. Musk is probably wrong a bunch of times. And there's probably a bunch of things
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:13] where if you go back to the J. In its essence. Cause people like myself have referred to Kanye West as a genius.
There's a different levels of genius. You could maybe say he's like he's he's IQ is through the roof. Might not, I don't even know if it is, but it's, uh, Elon Musk, but just in terms of classic level genius, someone who is Booksmart on many things and is embodied and experienced. A lot of problems and solving of problems, which is how you get to something like space X.
Have you heard of CRISPR? Yeah. The gene gene modifying. So you can, um, modify your genes. Basically you can change the genetic makeup. You could go from a Mezzer morph to an endomorph, someone who's fat or takes away a little bit, even like to cancer cells. And it's, it's, it's full fucking. Test tube science.
It's like it's I can imagine in my mind, it's like a movie where they're fucking modifying a little baby and it comes out and it's got blue eyes. That's the, what they're
Josh Janssen: [00:27:23] doing with it. And so, um, Walter Isaacson, who, um, is it Walter Isaacson? I think that's his name? Uh, he wrote, um, the Steve jobs by biography.
He, um, uh, what else is, is written a bunch of like big. Biographies, I'm
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:41] famous for writing other people's lifestyles,
Josh Janssen: [00:27:43] Benjamin, Benjamin Franklin. He's done that. He's done heaps and bit. Um, uh, he's got a new book out called code breaker. Which is all about CRISPR and apparently, um, you know, there's a, there's a bunch of legal, legal stuff in it.
So who was the first person to, to come up with it? Who owns the patent? Um, and just
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:05] coin, no one knows, but there's an Aussie guy that was claiming it was him. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:28:09] And then if you think about it too, there's a, um, The, the it's the moral stuff, right? Like I like, remember,
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:18] should you be able to decide the color of someone's eyes or the sex of your
Josh Janssen: [00:28:21] child?
Yeah. And then a bit, like, it goes way deeper than that, right? Like you can go. Um, but even things like, rather than using vaccines, using things like genetic modification to be able to remove disease.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:36] So the amount that you can already find out in 2021 about your unborn child, like. Uh, chance of, um, uh, chance of not being able to have children are interesting.
Like you can find that out
Josh Janssen: [00:28:52] popularity on Instagram.
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:54] I mean, I opted for a high YouTube sub the subs over a Snapchat, but if our next child comes out and she, uh, And YouTube is gone by then and she'll be fucking pissed.
Josh Janssen: [00:29:08] Um, the, but there was a doc. Did you ever watch the documentary? There's a, there was a guy in San Francisco who was doing a bit of a backyard garage style job with the CRISPR stuff he got in heaps of.
Trouble. He was sort of saying that he was being sort of suppressed. Um, but he was doing some experiments and the documentary had like people making animals change, like go gloat, like glow in the dark. Yeah. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:36] I mean, I've heard some people talk about how they've probably got a human clone out there.
Like, I mean, I don't even know how to fathom that. They've managed to bill, uh, create a human in a test tube, not to say it's out there in the world, but yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:29:53] Have you seen a cloning thing? Do you remember? Like, um, I feel like it was the nineties. We were kids, but there was the, the sheep or the lamb.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:01] Do you remember that family?
I mean, the nineties they're doing, they're doing humans. Dirt.
Josh Janssen: [00:30:06] Yeah. But the thing was that it was. Um, cloned lamb from STEM cells. Jeez, Dolly
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:14] Dolly,
Josh Janssen: [00:30:15] July 5th, 1996 to February 14, 2003 was a female domestic sheep. And the first mammal cloned from an adult somatic cell using the process of nuclear transfer, obviously.
Um, wow.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:31] I mean, this is the thing we don't know
Josh Janssen: [00:30:33] live nine years. Is that a. Is that good for shape, actually, mate, no less than that. I've eaten younger. Like for seven years, seven years I've
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:44] eaten younger. Isn't that just like wham good piece of lamb just comes out. It's horrible to think about, but I mean, for instance, is that so connecting it to humans, eating these animals, is it more humane to eat a lamb that has been.
Created in the lab, the one that was naturally created, you know, in
Josh Janssen: [00:31:08] a field where they're even talking about, um, turning pigs into organ holders. So it's like you're using CRISPR and stuff to build out organs inside of the inside of the pigs that we then use that. Is it, answer
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:22] the question,
Josh Janssen: [00:31:24] ask it again.
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:25] Is it, uh, Is it more ethical to eat lamb that is built in a lab, maiden lab? The one that's, um, conceived naturally in a field. Yeah, it's a fucking hard question because it's so many elements. If all my immediately, I think my mind goes to the, the lab one. Because it didn't go through the natural process, but then it's like, this is the
Josh Janssen: [00:31:55] dilemma become like a, an animal.
That's got all of the properties that say a vegan. Wouldn't like, like, so guns will,
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:04] uh, you know, some, something that feels pain. So
Josh Janssen: [00:32:08] if we grow the meat, just the mate then would vegans ate it. Right. Some would some wouldn't I guess I
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:15] think they, yeah, I think some would someone and so. Yeah, detaching the consciousness that this little animal experiences, whereas if you could grow a slab yes.
Of just steak, if you go grow a lamb leg, it didn't, wasn't attached to a little brain and all of that. It's strange, isn't it? It's so strange, but this is where we're going. And so.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:37] Yeah, man. I went down a rabbit hole long. The internet archive. You probably saw it over the weekend
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:43] or is it Friday? Does one get to that pie slice?
And how would one get there? Who would they speak to if they wanted to do a version? What do you mean?
Josh Janssen: [00:32:51] Like if you just go to the internet
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:53] archive, which is you talk about it, like it's fucking Google. Yeah, most people don't know about it. If you just have to be on the internet, if you just type
Josh Janssen: [00:33:00] in internet archive, didn't know about it until you Josh, and then you type in your name or if a website, if you go to specific website.
And so I went through, so I had always been looking@joshjanssen.com. That would be like when I was feeling nostalgic, but then I did just a general search on me. And went through all my old website and you're connected
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:19] with George, Sarah.
Josh Janssen: [00:33:20] Sonjia. Exactly, exactly. And so I, um, do you remember Posterous Posterous so poster is a mistress or the post poster Posterous was a blogging platform in the mid two thousands.
Their big selling point was you can email to blog. So the idea was you would get, and we say this now, like our sauna or things like that and have this technology built in, but they worked out a way of creating, uh, a secure, like a, uh, an email address that was unique to you. That couldn't be easily spoofed, where if you wanted to post on your Posterous, you could send an email to your blog and it would automatically post.
I mean, it's PR it's.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:10] If they send that, I like it. I screenshot one of your posts. Can I just, can I, can we go down memory lane for a moment? Yeah, we've probably lost Stella and her mates. Uh, this is a, a blog post by Josh Janssen, uh, from January 7th, 2008. What's it called? Have a guest,
Josh Janssen: [00:34:32] uh, account. W which one is that addiction?
I, yeah, sure.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:38] A box of orange chocolate sticks and three Tim Tams later, I feel that I may be addicted to chocolate. I feel shit. Now I used to be addicted to soft drink fat was the result of that. And I'm determined for this addiction to come, go and not gain weight from it. If you go back a few blog posts, you'll see my getting ripped challenge.
Let's be honest. It was silly. I mean, Christmas, new year cheese platters, dip, chocolate pav, and the occasional lemon lime and bitters. It's not too late to recover though. I'm recharging my iPod. As I write this to recharge the drive that was there only a few weeks earlier. Cause you went, I liked it. Cause you're recharging your iPad.
You want to recharge iPod. You want to recharge the drive that there was there a few weeks earlier. You're trying to be clever. It's cute. I'm really scared that I'll get fat again. I'm not letting that happen. It's not hard. Let's think I just need 45 minutes a day to run an exercise. I was a member of KCR for over a year and probably haven't used the membership in six months.
So fuck that. I can do the exercise around the neighborhood and save 50, 60 bucks a month. Casey Ark has also pissed me off charging me more. I don't know that I'm still concession and they have to do all they have to do is ask as I'm still a student fuckers. Anyway, I'm off for a run. I'm pumped.
Seriously. If I have a bottle of water, a good pair of running shoes and an iPod, I can do it. Bye bye. Stop being fat and doing and do something kidding, but seriously do something you fat shit. So this is almost like a note to self, but on a public platform. Yeah. And did anyone say that? Did you have anyone done?
No,
Josh Janssen: [00:36:33] it's pretty dark. It's very diary entry. Like I would go very, very much a bit. Posterous yeah. So what do you take from that? What does, I mean, I haven't changed much at all. Have I. Um, very consistent. It's always obsessed about water. How much water I'm drinking? All I need is fucking I'm dehydrated.
Literally
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:51] your whole, uh, flashback was
Josh Janssen: [00:36:54] fighting with the gym you lit you
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:56] could have come out and said that those were from today. Yes. But you could have legit said, I wrote these on my weekend
Josh Janssen: [00:37:04] off, but then there was around the same time. So that was on my blog. Um, so that was like a WordPress blog, but then on Posterous, uh, around the same time, I think it's through domain Oh nine.
Um, yeah, I said, why you need a blog? It seems that as Facebook becomes more ubiquitous, uh, people are relying on it more and more as their only host for content in this short audio post. So I had put an audio post. I wish I could hear the audio, but I didn't know. Um, I give it some of my concerns with relying solely on Facebook and some of the advantages of starting your own blog.
Facebook has recently introduced an export function, allowing users to export all their content from the website, but is it enough to keep you from creating your own unique identity online? So, I mean, I've been very consistent in that regard. Critical love social media. I did this audio thing. There used to be a thing, um, which I would use a service called tweet Mike.
And it was like, imagine Twitter, but, um, it was all audio. And so it would go, it would be, it would connect up to the, do you remember, did you ever use Twitter like back in the day, early days? I've still got
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:21] it. Okay. It's about as much
Josh Janssen: [00:38:23] as do you remember Twitter? So you never used to be able to actually host.
Photos videos, anything like that on Twitter you'd have to use a third party. Mm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:33] Um, and it has the link to it. Yeah. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:38:36] To pick up whatever, but yeah, that was one called tweet, Mike, which you would record a tweet. So I would just do a five minute rambling, basically like a podcast, and then you would click send and it would go to Twitter and people would listen to the audio.
But, um, yeah, I mean, this. After after you reading the social media thing, the Facebook, they need a blog. Um, you and I were talking, and I think the thing is that you, you see the patterns you see that I've been pretty consistent on the problem throughout the whole, like for the last 15 years, 100%.
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:15] Which you always like to point out the consistency thing is like, well, cause he can't say I'm fucking crazy, but I've been consistent.
I've always said you're a fucking, no, you just don't listen to your own advice because that's literally
Josh Janssen: [00:39:28] why I think it's the constant struggle. It's the tension. Um, and so for some people they'll figure it out really quickly and others, they weren't, I think, um, Yeah, I'm getting closer and closer to a version.
Like I am thinking about how many times I've gotten off social media think about. And so even, you know, versions of that, of just back and forth, it's like, it's highly addictive. Like I'll watch, like I probably watched maybe, um, five hours over the weekend on people quitting social media. So just a YouTube videos.
Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:07] surely you have to take action after that. Otherwise you don't get the five hours back.
Josh Janssen: [00:40:14] My thing is, it's all building the what hypothesis. So it's like building the thinking. Um, and it's, but the same thing happens every like these, these, um, uh, these people, they all have the same thing. It's like, Oh yeah.
I went back on and then I got off again, like it's a highly addictive thing. It's crack. Um, yeah, but, uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:38] social
Josh Janssen: [00:40:38] media is crap. Yeah. But deleted off my phone. It's good. And, uh, differently. I had one of those weekends where it's like my perfect weekend and I just, I obviously call bullshit. Like, you know, it's a perfect weekend.
I've charged my Kindle. I Kindles, or, you know, my working, I, um, sharpened my pencils for, so when I'm reading, I'm like when I'm, as I read, like, uh, how to read water, I can, I can underline bits. I've got my, um, nearly bought a new journal. To do
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:12] data is great. The one that I complimented
Josh Janssen: [00:41:15] the paper well, yeah, so Bree got me a really nice one in a Brown, um, leather holder thing.
And I nearly said, I was like, Oh, I started in that one in December. I wrote in at once. I need to, I need it to be fresh. I used to do this. I get an exercise. At least exercise books are like 99 cents. And so as a kid, if I would have an idea, I would say, mum, can I have an exercise book? And sh should get me one.
I would write one idea. It's like, I've got a whole mold skin at home, which is, um, me analyzing the Simpsons.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:50] Oh, that's right. But it's, you've got like four pages use the same. Yes.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:54] But I can't, I can't switch it from an analysis of all the Simpsons episodes. How do you go to, yeah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:42:01] I know it to a out. I've tried to I've I've literally never feels the ages of them.
All skin falls out, fucked up the back end. Yeah. I lost pages out of the back. It was a nightmare. I get you. But how do you call your bullshit? Because that's exactly what you just stating right now is the bullshit is. I know that what's easier is going to the shop to buy the mole skin to feel like it's the new year.
That's the trap of new year, January one, fuck on fighter, January one, but then two weeks later. And so I wonder if there's a, uh, it's not like rejection therapy. It's like, um, lenient, like going, like if I go towards the pain in everything where it's like, the reason I don't want to run this book is because it's not clear.
Can I start writing in this book, prove myself wrong. Like the
Josh Janssen: [00:42:50] other thing is what is the other option? So I think there's definitely, I think a lot of people can relate to this. And I think that potentially why I trigger people is because I talk there's a part of me, which is like, shut the fuck up. Right?
Like heaps. Like that's my default is just, you've said this all before. Um, but if you. Like, there's a, there's a, so for instance, if someone tries to quit smoking 20 times and they do it on the 20th time, that's the process that they had to go through. And so the, the thing is that you could, if you tried to stop smoking 19 times and then cold out on your bullshit, the calling of the bullshit would be like, Or this quitting doesn't work.
And so you would stop. And so if you get like closer and closer, every single time to getting to the point of clarity with it, that's cool.
Tommy Jackett: [00:43:46] It's a good analogy. I, the tricky bit is that you don't even know if it's true or not. You know, maybe there maybe there is more, more in the quitting smoking thing. So they're calling bullshit on why I don't actually stick at it.
There's more reasons there that need addressing which isn't to say cut out the quitting smoking isn't to say I I'll keep smoking. So it's, I won't keep using social media. There's some other stuff in there. There's something in the way. And I, and yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:44:16] the smoking, I guess doesn't have the. The thing with the social media thing is that the people that I was watching, it's like, ah, I'm a photographer.
And people say that the, uh, Instagram is your CV and now I don't have it anymore. Um, and so it's a little bit more. Complex. One of the things I liked about Derek Sivers, um, in hell yes or no. Is he talks about, um, criticism and how he wrote this blog post about the switching, I think from like PHP to Ruby on rails, like the.
Types of type of coding you was doing, you did a blog post, didn't have that many followers at the time, just writes his opinions on what he was thinking goes to bed, wakes up and it's on every tech blog and people are saying he's a fucking idiot. And that he's, he has no idea about coding. And what he realized was he was like having a reaction to it, just like, Oh my God, like, look at what these people are saying.
About me. Yeah. And then what do you realize was it's like, know what people are talking about and to a paper cut out version of me. It's not me. And so there is something with all of these things that we share with the social media staff there, like any sort of criticism is not actually about us. It's about the character that we've performed.
Online. Um, and so I think that doing stuff in, even though this is like a very small version of a public eye, knowing that any comment, any feedback is not about us personally, but a version that we've done, which is part of the, the reason why we do it. It's like we do a version. So it provokes like maybe from someone from the conversation from this conversation says, Oh, you know what?
Like, They can relate to what about the social media thing and be like, no, I don't need to do this. Or, Oh, maybe I'll check out Derek Sivers and go on their own journey. Um, but I think that that's been something that I've been battling with is it's like a shot, like shutting up is an interesting option.
Tommy Jackett: [00:46:25] Hm. Um, Which is
Josh Janssen: [00:46:29] one strategy. Yeah. But then, yeah, but it doesn't necessarily like what's on the other shutting up is the same idea of, I'm not going to do this thing because it's hard or I'm not going to do this thing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:46:41] You said it before shutting up could be, I'm not going to talk to people about it.
Cause I want to. Have a win for myself, which is no one knows that I'm doing it. Therefore there's no accolades. There's no praise. It's like, there's, it's not reliant on anyone. Other than me, not even my partner.
Josh Janssen: [00:46:57] That's a hard thing. I was like writing out, like doing some daily journaling and then realized like I can't help, but think.
Who's going to read this and like, what do they care about? And, or maybe this could be used for some other thing, or maybe I could create this into a, into a website or a video series, or this could be a podcast. And so like that is, you can see how that just becomes. If you're a creator that can become a thing of like, Oh, well, like.
Avery looking at every nook and cranny as an opportunity to create content rather than actually using it as the thing that's going to help you
Tommy Jackett: [00:47:35] quietly. Is it a writer who is spellchecking and doing their grammar as they go versus the writer just goes and comes back to it. So it's like the pur you getting, uh, you know, the allure of an idea that makes you fall down that hole mentally is pulling your focus away.
Somewhat, it could be productive. Otherwise it could be completely counterproductive to the thing you want to do. And so it's like, what's
Josh Janssen: [00:48:03] the outcome. I think that we're like hooked on outcomes. Like I think that, uh, and trying to avoid being hooked on outcomes and just enjoying the process is a lot,
Tommy Jackett: [00:48:16] it's harder to run with it.
Yeah. It's tricky. Anyway.
Josh Janssen: [00:48:20] Hi, the daily talk show.com is the email. Thank you to, yes. She sent through, um, documentary recommendation that I'm going to check out. I will report back. Watch the biggie
Tommy Jackett: [00:48:32] documentary too on Netflix. Did you listen to biggie growing up? No. No, don't listen. Don't watch it. Bad idea.
Okay. It's a daily
Josh Janssen: [00:48:38] talk show. Have a go on guys.
Tommy Jackett: [00:48:39] Hey guys.