Rain Facts & The Royal Family Fallout

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad.

Josh: That's crazy! We've committed to do the Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys. Hi guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's the Daily Talk Show episode 975.

Tommy: That is right.

Josh: I'm back.

Tommy: You're a bit rusty, mate.

Josh: Yeah, a little bit rusty, a little bit rusty.

Tommy: And it's written on the paper in front of you.

Josh: Oh, is it? You're rusty reading.

Tommy: Happy Chewy Tuesday, guys.

Josh: I forgot, mate, you are good at this. Well done.

Tommy: Uh, kick us off.

Josh: Thank you to Redfern Convenience Store.

Tommy: Oh yeah, so we've got two versions of Extra. We've got the Polar Ice, this is Wrigley's, and a Sweet Watermelon. Is there any other flavour? Anything other than sweet watermelon? Isn't watermelon just a sweet flavour?

Josh: Well, there's a whole song, Watermelon Sugar, which for some— I don't know why I was singing that. Watermelon Sugar.

Tommy: Harry Styles.

Josh: Yeah, but why was I singing it so much on the weekend?

Tommy: There's a funny meme about how he starts that song. It's called Watermelon Sugar, talking about strawberries. That's strange.

Josh: I've actually been—

Tommy: Which one do you want? Which one do you want?

Josh: Could I go watermelon, please? Okay. Yeah. My hair's a little bit wet because I walked in.

Tommy: Get your asthma going.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, I mean, that's a good effort because this morning it was very drizzly.

Josh: Not as rainy as what it has been. Like, remember that day where it was absolutely pouring?

Tommy: Pouring. Yeah. I mean, I saw a hot air balloon on the way to work.

Josh: Oh, wouldn't bother.

Tommy: Well, annoying. Annoying that you pay $600 and it's raining. You can't ch— Like, this is the problem. I once drove all the way to Nagambi, which is 2 hours from Melbourne, to go skydiving and they called it off because it was drizzly. Really? And then helicopters.

Josh: I feel like we should ban helicopters. I don't know about the French billionaire that died in a helicopter crash like 2 days ago or something.

Tommy: How do rich people not get the memo that helicopters, high chance, high chance of it ruining everything?

Josh: They're the four-wheelers for billionaires.

Tommy: No, three-wheelers. Three-wheelers are real dangerous compared to—

Josh: Didn't even know there was a thing.

Tommy: Before you turn. Yeah, they don't really sell them in trikes.

Josh: So, this is the long-lasting flavour, sweet watermelon. Buy extra Wrigleys. Sorry about that, uh, weak throw by me.

Tommy: Uh, real smelly. Yeah, 15 sticks, 15 opportunities to connect. And then it's got all this little cartoon of, um, people sort of picking up. Mmm, Dayton, you like it? Yeah, artificially flavored. All right, here we go. Thanks to Redfield convenience store. Classic, classic watermelon. Out of, out of 10, I'm gonna give that like—

Josh: it tastes familiar, so I'm gonna knock some points off because there's not a huge amount of innovation in that, don't you agree? I'm gonna give it a 7. What are you—

Tommy: that's still pretty high.

Josh: Yeah. What are you giving it?

Tommy: Uh, 6.

Josh: It depends on how long it would actually last. I think that's a—

Tommy: Not your go-to, not your just everyday chew. It can't be. That would be— That's your 3 o'clock chew when you're feeling like a little something sweet.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: But you don't want to blow out and have a Mars bar and you're just having that.

Josh: The on the rain thing, you know, raining in Melbourne, as I mentioned.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I've been reading a book called How to Read Water.

Tommy: How do you read water?

Josh: I've got 2 interesting facts. Do you want to hear them?

Tommy: Well, there's a lot of information in water.

Josh: Yes. Yeah, there is.

Tommy: And so— Well, water is our lifeblood.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's our— We need water. We need it. If you say you hate water, take a look at yourself in the mirror. It's thanks to water.

Josh: Have you been watching? So, I sent you a video about a ghost town. Have you watched that?

Tommy: Yeah. A guy who bought a whole town for $1.4 million. His whole life savings plus other people's life savings. It's pretty amazing. Amazing. What's amazing about California is you can go a few hours outside. So, Los Angeles is in California, but you can drive like 2 hours and you're in the mountains and it's snowing and you were just in the heat.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You were just in 24 degrees.

Josh: It's like 3 hours from LA, 3 hours from Vegas. Okay.

Tommy: So, it's like deserty, mountainous, but snows.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's pretty crazy. What's it called? What's his YouTube channel?

Josh: Sarah... Oh, yeah.

Tommy: He says the name of the...

Josh: So many times. C-E-R-R-O... Sarah Sena? Sarah... Soda?

Tommy: No. Yes.

Josh: Anyway.

Tommy: Famous mining— Little mining town.

Josh: Brian Underwood, I believe is his name.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And— But anyway, they didn't have water, so they would access their water because it's a mining town, apparently 700 feet underground there is water. Is it well? So, they have a pump that would pump the water up and give the water to the town. But it was broken like 2004 or something. So, they haven't for the last— Actually, it was like 14 years. So, what, 2006? The last 14 years they haven't had running water. And so, they just got it fixed. But it's been— This is—

Tommy: Nice. Imagine that if that was the— How does it work? Is it the same water that's been down there? Is it just like chilling in some kind of natural reservoir?

Josh: Well, that's what I was supposed to find out. Underground. But what I know so far about this book about water You know, like flooding and how things flood. If I was to like just rivers and stuff, they flood. When do they— When does that happen?

Tommy: Usually after a big downpour. It's either because it's so— Because I used to explore drainpipes a lot as a kid.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Always knew never to go before a storm. Like, it could be storming and raining out in Oakleigh. And there would be high water in Garden Vale.

Josh: So, I'm going to blow your mind around why that is.

Tommy: Well, I kind of think I know.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: Because it's raining in one suburb and the stormwater is pushing through.

Josh: No. So, this is crazy. So, in the book, he says, Tristan, I think is the author's name. He says there is— How about if I said that flooding happens before the first drop of rain even hits the ground?

Tommy: I'd say show me your information, because usually if it's like, if there's flood, floodwaters are usually connected to rainfall in some area. Well, so the upstream.

Josh: So, the reason is, is because, you know how you have low pressure systems and high pressure systems? So, low pressure systems mean that the water rises.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And so, a low pressure system, like we obviously connect up with rain. But the way that he says to remember it is blue sky is like pushing down on the water. So, like a high-pressure system will make the water go lower.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: But yeah, isn't that fascinating? So, when the low-pressure system comes in, you're actually seeing flooding before any water because the water's rising because of the pressure in the atmosphere.

Tommy: So, it's legit pressure.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: It's funny because I never connected the pressure thing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I just, like you said, connected it to rain. Yeah.

Josh: Or not running. Isn't that interesting?

Tommy: That is, yeah. That's a good one. Another interesting fact.

Josh: Giraffes, the only mammal that can't swim.

Tommy: Fact. But they're so tall that the water that they'd go into, they're usually taller. Imagine a giraffe, imagine seeing a giraffe in a swamp or something and it's just their head out.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And they're just still walking.

Josh: Just walking.

Tommy: They'd be in trouble because if that thing fell over, they're real clumsy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Giraffes are real clumsy. And now they can't swim. That's a shame.

Josh: But anyway, I thought it's— These are interesting things to know. Like, I feel like learning more about weather and water, like, I haven't gotten— I'm only a chapter and a half into the book.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But I'm already excited about when I can read puddles because like, that's—

Tommy: Is that part of this book?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: What for? What do you— What's there to read about a puddle?

Josh: So, just knowing— So, he was explaining how water works in general. And so, if you have a glass of water and if you actually look at it, the water is not flat.

Tommy: So, it's bevelled?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, it's like if it was a raindrop.

Josh: I always confuse— Concave, I think would be the—

Tommy: That's it. Yeah.

Josh: And so, concave because the water will actually attach itself to the glass at the top.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so, if you look at water, it will have a little concave shape, which I thought was interesting.

Tommy: Are you going to be the guy that connects two bottles together and puts some sort of coloured liquid inside, as in water with some coloured dye and turns it upside down and it creates the whirlpool?

Josh: I could definitely get around that. But yeah, there's a bunch of interesting stuff around like water attracting water. And then there's varicus. Is it called? No. What is it called? No, no, it's not called varicus. I remembered it because I thought of it like veins. Varicose veins. No, it's not varicose veins, though. Think about like, you know, people say, oh, Like if someone's got like a bit of a red nose, the capillaries, not that, like I'm trying—

Tommy: Vascular?

Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Tommy: Capillaries?

Josh: Capillaries. Yeah.

Tommy: That's one word.

Josh: Yeah. So, I think the— So, I need to do more reading, but there's examples where he's talking about like water doesn't always— It can go against gravity. So, like think about a tree. When water goes at the bottom, it like makes its way up. And so, it's talking about the stickiness basically of water. So, water will attract other water. If you look at, if you tip some water on a kitchen bench, you'll see that it sort of blobs.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And then if you sort of connect them, it sort of like sticks together. Yeah.

Tommy: And this guy's made a living out of talking about this stuff.

Josh: Well, so, yeah.

Tommy: This is our year 4 We didn't know it.

Josh: Guys, pour some water on the floor.

Tommy: I'm going to do it right now.

Josh: But you didn't know it, did you?

Tommy: I knew about the water touching together. It's interesting. I mean, that's just like classic.

Josh: Do you know what it is? So, it's, I think there's—

Tommy: Well, it's connecting up. It's, so, I've got a few little drops and now connected up.

Josh: So, there's like hydrogen molecules and oxygen molecules. That's all I know. And so, I think that—

Tommy: Bringing it together.

Josh: Which then, like, so, that's what water is made of, apparently. Like, I don't know. We need to get a scientist on the show. I don't know any of this stuff.

Tommy: I mean, it's a good flex if you then write a book with it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: To then, I don't know, the pressure thing's good. You got to look at how can you attach these things to everyday. So, if you're walking in, you're looking out.

Josh: Well, it's like his yachting. Like, he starts on a yacht and talking about like indigenous people use all of these different things. Like, you know, they fucking taught, he was talking about the Pacific Islands and, you know, they actually like taught James Cook how to do shit, you know, just being like, oh mate, like, why are you doing it that way? Like, read the water. See?

Tommy: And yeah, and like, that's amazing.

Josh: The best people, like, from a yacht perspective, know how to read the water.

Tommy: Just sniffing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Smelling. Smelling different. Looking at the sky. I mean, all those things like, remember Red Sky at Night, Shepherd's Delight?

Josh: Mm-hmm. What about this? Actually, that reminds me. Another great fact. Rainbows, the more red—

Tommy: There's no cash at the bottom of them.

Josh: That—

Tommy: I knew it.

Josh: There's gold. No, the more red in a rainbow, the thicker the raindrops. That's good.

Tommy: The thicker the raindrops.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But sometimes it's not even raining.

Josh: Somewhere, I guess.

Tommy: And you're seeing a rainbow.

Josh: And so, I'm not— Can I just be clear with everyone? I'm not an expert. On water. I won't even be when I read the book. But it is very interesting learning about this stuff and being able to apply it. So if I know, you know, like, um, I went on a beach the other day. If I could read the waves and know where the water's going to land, they'll be here.

Tommy: What do you mean?

Josh: I won't wet my feet.

Tommy: It's pretty just fucking watch it.

Josh: Yeah, but there is actually like, you could— he talks about mud and just how the wet mud is further away than where the water hits. So, the water hits, but then it seeps through. So, like a really interesting stuff.

Tommy: I mean, I'm interested in quicksand. Always was as a kid. It was one of my areas. Quicksand and rockfish that can kill you. I remember reading a book and it was just all about rockfish. Like, Australia, Australia has some real fucked up animals, some real fucked up sea creatures. Yeah, just that will end you, end your life. Look at Steve Irwin, poor bugger.

Josh: Yeah, no, it's not good.

Tommy: Got done by a bloody stingray. Um, uh, the royal family, geez Louise, there'd be in a bit of hot water. I was thinking, I was watching, um, Meghan and Harry speak to Oprah last night, I was thinking, fuck it, Josh Janson has a problem with social media. Look at these guys. But she can't, they can't go on social media.

Josh: She hasn't, Meghan, is it Meghan? Is it Meghan? I don't actually know. M-E-G-H-A-N. Yeah, we'll just, let's stick with one. It's annoying. Meghan. Meghan. Meghan. Meghan. Meghan Markle. Let's call her Meg.

Tommy: Yeah, you can't get Meg wrong.

Josh: Yeah. Because you don't say Meg.

Tommy: And they were saying Meg last night.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And she calls Harry H. So let's, let's refer—

Josh: She called him H. No.

Tommy: And H. Yeah. So let's call him H and Meg.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Best mates.

Josh: So what did you, what did you, what did you think?

Tommy: How fucking wild. I mean, the media we know is trash. Daily Mail specifically, real trash, especially over in the in the United Kingdom. But the— they're in each other's pockets, like they're having soirees at the fucking castle and they're inviting the media to then put it on for them. And so it's like this handshake going on between them about what's going on. But I mean, you've— it seems pretty toxic. Like, it seems just in relation to just Not talking about how you feel or being inside a system that you can't break out of. Like, that's what Harry was— H, sorry, was talking about, not being able to— He's broken out of it and his brother's trapped in it. And he's referring the trapping being just that world. It's interesting. It's like seeing a guy who has seen the light or just realises— It's almost like someone coming out of the Jehovah's Witness or, you know, some Muslim sort of tight-knit family. Like, I've been listening to a woman who, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she's was, she, you know, arranged marriage when she was young, left it, escaped, became a refugee in a country. And just like her being blown away that there was this other world out there. And Harry is that version where he's like, you know, he's just this guy who's converted to, oh my God, there's another life.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Like, I can now ride a bike with my kid.

Josh: Have chickens.

Tommy: Have chickens. I couldn't do that shit. Maybe chickens he had.

Josh: But— Do you think he did?

Tommy: He might. I mean, they had a lot of land. It was more, it's more about what they could do off the property versus on the property.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting how he would speak about the Queen, his grandma.

Tommy: Oh, he loves grandma.

Josh: Yeah. Because, yeah, love grandma, like get along with, like what's confusing, but isn't grandma like 'in charge' of it all? Isn't it like saying, 'I hate this company. I hate,' but like you absolutely love the CEO? Yeah. It's a little bit like, I thought that was a little bit confusing.

Tommy: It seems like he's got an understanding that there is a way that it almost has had to be over the last hundreds of years. Like, it's full on. I mean, that kid has had, it's so sad, like, Fuck, what a messed up family. Like, there'd be— I wonder if there was a lot of moments where it was like, oh, fuck, I thought I had a bit of problems.

Josh: But then Oprah. But I think Oprah did a good job. She gave a lot of pushback, don't you think? Like, I think that she— I had forgotten, like, I can't remember. Like, she interviewed what, Lance Armstrong, Tiger Woods, like a bunch of these sort of—

Tommy: She gets the exclusives.

Josh: Yes. Which she said to start with, like, there's no deal, not paying anything. But then you hear in the media $9 million.

Tommy: But I don't trust the media.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Surely there's—

Tommy: You then have to say they are lying to the camera when they say we are not being paid for this or they don't need to be paid for it.

Josh: They don't. But I'm sure the thing is that it's like you're building partnerships with people, right? So, it's like you might not be getting paid directly, but obviously there might be a Harpo production or, you know, all of these other things that are connected that you end up seeing the financial reward. It's like all the politicians where it's like, hang on, how does Joe Biden, who's been a career politician, live in a multimillion-dollar home, you know, in a mansion.

Tommy: I mean, it's like Seth Godin coming on our show. He doesn't get paid, but he gets to, you know, give his book a bit of a plug.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Because they were plugging their production company, Archewell. They were plugging a few— plugging— Oprah did a cheeky plug of a new series that she's doing with Harry on mental health. Yeah, through Apple. But it's a crazy moment because the world is watching. I just felt like I was like, oh, this is just like a glimpse inside the royal family, like listening. Imagine if you were just doing a tell-all right now, like, mate, I had a nari war and it was hard, like I wasn't allowed to do this, like mum cut me off. He got cut off, the security thing's fucked, he was cut off from his whole— so that's the weird bit, like your family They're still family. Harry is still related. That's never changing. And then they're going to cut off his personal security, meaning all the death threats that he's already getting. It's like they're forgetting about those.

Josh: What do you think security looks like? That's what I was wondering.

Tommy: I do. Navy SEALs, ex-Navy SEALs, like that Joe Rogan shit. He's got Navy SEALs, like ex-Navy SEALs that are hard as nails. Like, they just sort of like a team of them.

Josh: And they hang around everywhere.

Tommy: It's pretty, pretty regular to have security if you're over in the States. Like that guy Tyler Perry, who they borrowed his house for 3 months. He gave them his security detail. He's worth $1 billion, so I'm sure he's just got security all the time. But imagine what it would cost to have security.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Should we— Should find out what it—

Josh: Yeah. What the cost would be.

Tommy: I mean, I need security fucking with the shit going on in my neighbourhood. Geez. Do you want to talk about it? Nah, nah, nah. It's in the media. Anyway, it's a wild time for— I just imagine the tabloids over in the UK at the moment. Imagine, I just think about, you've been to London. It's very like, they love it.

Josh: They love it.

Tommy: It's all like, it seems like it's—

Josh: I mean, tabloid, it feels like tabloid media was born there.

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: It's got that.

Tommy: On the, what's it called? The, not the subway. It's on the tube, like seeing the The paper, like it was a real experience being over there, just seeing the, like what a place with someone like having something like the royals and how they see it. Like.

Josh: It's all confu— I find the royal thing just confusing as a general concept. Well, they're not.

Tommy: I don't think they're the government, are they? We need a royal expert because it fuck— it's so interesting because what decisions do they get to, like the Queen signing off on shit?

Josh: Yeah. I mean, I don't have the interest.

Tommy: Like, I'm more interested in the royals than water, even though the water looked— helps me live.

Josh: No, I just feel that the royal thing to me feels like an entertainment reporter that's found a niche.

Tommy: You know, like, there would be someone—

Josh: there's a real— Yeah. Like, yeah, you see them all the time. It's like they'll come on, they're talking specifically about the royals. Yeah. In some regards, they're part of the whole system though. It's like if you want the scoop on a brand and then saying, hey, can we get the— I guess it's not like that. I was going to say it's like getting the head of marketing in to talk about it. But I think there is like— Meg talked about the symbiotic relationship between the media and the royals and all of that sort of shit.

Tommy: And so that's the parties.

Josh: Yes, it's— Dude, but just it's all— it's a little bit weird. Just even the Yeah, I mean, I think it was just weird.

Tommy: I mean, I'm not that surprised about all the things that were said. It doesn't, like, it doesn't seem like it's that far-fetched for claims of racism coming from, you know, the royals or like inside the family of like someone asking, you know, saying stupid shit or like it's a family, they're humans. And they're all flawed. Yeah, that's the thing. You see, you see the Queen on your coins.

Josh: It was funny seeing when Oprah asked Meg, who was it? Who said it?

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: But then when she brings out Harry, I was like, it feels like there's the whole thing where Meg needs to be like, I didn't say who it was. Yeah. Because like, it was heading in the direction of Oprah being like, so, yeah, tell like, who was it?

Tommy: So, what they're referring to is, if you haven't watched the interview, it was Kate. Someone had— someone asked, what's the skin colour going to be of the kids that Harry will have with Meg? They've since come out and said it wasn't the Queen.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And it wasn't the Queen's partner, was it? Or Harry's dad. So he's come out and said, I'm not saying who it is, but it's not— definitely wasn't the Queen. Definitely.

Josh: Okay. Yeah. They fucking love the Queen. Them loving the Queen makes me want to love the Queen.

Tommy: I kind of love the Queen. Sharing a little snuggie with Meg. Like, they were at an event and they were sharing the blankie together.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Like, you know, your mum's been on a, um, on a boat cruise with, with Bree.

Josh: Uh-huh.

Tommy: Like, that's, that's royal shit right there. Like, that's families coming together, sharing cocktails.

Josh: Yeah, it's, um, yeah, but I feel like in some regards it creates a relevancy Like, because I couldn't give a fuck about all this stuff, but we watched it.

Tommy: To the— Yeah, yeah. Relevant to the royal stuff. Well, it's a time— That's what I was like, this is a piece of history. Yes. Harry's kids are going to grow up and be like, that time Mum and Dad did a sit-down interview, did an exposé on the royal family.

Josh: Feels like there's a lot of that history stuff happening at the moment, doesn't it? It's like we're going to look back and we're going to be like, wow, that was weird.

Tommy: Because most of the things that— Most of our experiences go. Think about it. I was hearing someone talk about this recently about like the moments. You've had some really great moments in your life, a good meal, a good experience, and the memory is completely gone from your skull. And so, there's only certain ones that are in there. It's— And that's a bizarre thing. Like, what sticks? Sometimes bad ones stick for trauma and that's it.

Josh: Why Brian and I started watching the Woody Allen doco, I don't know. So, he's sort of— It's very fucked up.

Tommy: Sex pest.

Josh: Pedophile.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. It's— Yeah. I mean, yeah. You're speaking on the spectrum of the worst of the—

Tommy: Oh, yeah.

Josh: But the one that was full on because they sort of tell the story, I wouldn't. I mean, it's a privileged position to say don't watch it, but like, it is— it's a— consuming it, you wonder, um, what— so, I guess you gain some empathy for people who have gone through this, you know, trauma or whatever. But you don't— you don't walk away feeling good. It's a 4-part series. We watched 2 parts. And Bri and I are like, I don't think we'll watch the rest because it's just, you know, they— it sort of paints the picture to start with of happy family stuff. He ends up— So, Woody Allen married. It's actually, yeah, they're married. Been with his, what would you call, adopted daughter for like 20 years.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: 20-plus years or whatever, 30 years.

Tommy: Is he— what's it— where is he now?

Josh: He's— he really— he released a book and stuff. And so, he's come out and said no to all the claims. He made the documentary. He came out and said no to all the claims. But then, like, I had a moment last week where I was thinking, you know, cancel stuff, like, the ability to cancel people is just so toxic and it's so like, I'm fucking out. Like, people cancelling other people, I can't be fucked. But then I guess you got like, in that, watching the documentary, you, you say, okay, well, there's like clearly really toxic people, nasty people, like people, or not even nasty, or like just completely flawed people. Um, is that our, uh, garbage?

Tommy: Um, taking Jess's, uh, fishy fucking—

Josh: what's she been eating?

Tommy: I don't know, it stinks though.

Josh: The raw chicken. Um, yeah, it's, it's, it gives an interesting perspective.

Tommy: What are the— not— what do you mean the nasty people though?

Josh: Well, no, no, so the thing is like, so Woody Allen, like, it's— you watch that and say, no, you, you actually are cancelled. Like, you can't— I can't watch a Woody Allen film. Not that I— I mean, I'm a bit of a doofus when it comes to watching stuff anyway, so I haven't actually seen these films, which I probably should have as someone who does, you know, video production stuff. But, um, yeah, no, you walk away being like, uh, like, just there, there has been— it's been a bit tainted.

Tommy: Oh man.

Josh: I, I think that you like— give it a watch and then tell me what you think.

Tommy: No, I mean, I watched the, the, um, what's it called, the Jeffrey Epstein Diaries or whatever it was. And it's just, it's all just sad.

Josh: Like, I think that the thing is, it's like, okay, it's really sad. It's an intro— like, I think that the hard bit is it's like they talk about it at the start like it's this amazing life that they're all living, and then it's obviously the darkness in that, which I think then sort of creates this, um, feeling of, uh, like even good shit's bad. Like, it's just a bit negative.

Tommy: Well, I mean, it's— at the point that it is a documentary, there's an entertainment value in these things. Entertainment sounds weird to use when you're referring to something, you know, an incident or a pedophile, but they are made to be entertaining or to take you— capture your, um, your focus. And so all those— it's, it's full-on. Like, I get around, which is weird to say, cult films more, like, um, not cult films, but as in films about cults. And like, I'm more interested in that from a human, uh, human perspective of understanding these people and how they're drawn into these, these cults. But then it's like, you're talking about real life.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And that's where you can be just sitting at home just watching and so removed from the reality Yeah. And then you're watching it, you get the feeling, but then you go down to Macca's after. You're pretty happy once you get that, you know, a hit of that sundae in you.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Little McFlurry.

Josh: I did watch a sort of positive doco, though. The Winnebago Man. Have you heard about this?

Tommy: Winnebago, a caravan. Like, that's a brand of caravans, like RVs. RVs.

Josh: Yeah. And so, in the mid to late '80s, there was a, like, I think like a corporate video, they called it an industrial video about Winnebagos. And there was a guy who was a presenter who was presenting all of the material, and he was so full-on just like swearing and just sort of run amok on set that the filmmakers or the crew that was making the video was recording between the scenes and put together a hit— not a hit piece, but it was like a montage of like 5 minutes of this guy going, fuck, ah, what's my line? And all of this sort of stuff. And this is obviously well and truly sort of pre-YouTube and stuff. And so people would make copies of it. So it got to Winnebago and the guy got fired. You know, no more video. You know, he was to present, no more videos. And the video started to get copied a bunch. So, it's like the classic VHS, you know, you put in a tape and then you put in another one and you dub it. Oh, yeah. And the quality would get worse and worse as you would sort of like, you know, dub it more and more times. And it was— this is like viral videos before viral videos. And a guy who is a filmmaker that loved watching it, it sort of came to YouTube and became big on YouTube, like '05, '06. And This guy makes a documentary trying to find the Winnebago Man because he's sort of completely gone off the radar. They get a private investigator. The guy's only got PO boxes and stuff.

Tommy: Oh, really?

Josh: And they find him in the mountains and he's a hermit. Really?

Tommy: Fuck, that could be your life.

Josh: Bree and I were saying, like, so, the PO box in the mountains, hermit. Oh, it's got all that.

Tommy: Got done on set screaming.

Josh: Yeah. He said, And his friend who's talking about this guy, Jack, it's sad because he ends up being— going blind. And so, and they end up taking him to San Francisco for a screening of the video in a cinema thing. But the— his mate was talking about the complexities of Jack because in one way he wanted an audience and to be seen and to be doing stuff, but then also wanted to be a complete hermit. Which I can very much relate to.

Tommy: Yeah. You want your cake and you want it.

Josh: What is it?

Tommy: What's the saying?

Josh: You want your cake and eat it too. Which doesn't seem like too much to ask.

Tommy: I know. I just want a piece of cake and I fucking— Leave me alone. I ordered the cake. I paid $8 and I'm going to fucking eat it.

Josh: Yeah, it doesn't make much sense really when you look at it because it's like, why else are you getting the cake? Because you want to eat it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. Have you watched any docos or anything?

Tommy: Um, no, got no time.

Josh: What have you been doing, mate?

Tommy: I was at the gym on Saturday squatting.

Josh: Shit yourself?

Tommy: Completely tore the ass out of my shorts.

Josh: Oh, better than tearing your ass out.

Tommy: Better than tearing my ass off. But I tore from the top.

Josh: Was it your purple shorts?

Tommy: No, these are— I don't, I don't have those anymore.

Josh: What happened?

Tommy: Oh, the dark purple ones.

Josh: I had light purple.

Tommy: Gone, they're gone. Top. So, from the top of my, like the hip all the way down to my leg. Luckily, I had black Bonds undies on and I tore it on the first set of—

Josh: Did you laugh?

Tommy: Yeah, because—

Josh: A lot.

Tommy: But it scared me because it was like, like it popped as well because it was like the seam and then just like—

Josh: Did you think—

Tommy: Popped and teared. Now, I've torn them before, but it's annoying because if you don't have the right underwear on or if you're wearing a G-string, you're in trouble, dude. And so, I was wearing black and there was one guy behind me. In the whole gym. It was just me and him, and I said, dude, tore my pants. And he's like, nah, it's all right. I was like, yeah. But he's like, push on. I was like, yeah. So I stayed there just squatting with my— basically my undies. It was the weirdest feeling, so weird. But I pushed on.

Josh: You bought new ones?

Tommy: Nah, nah.

Josh: It's a long weekend. What did you— I saw you sent me a video of— or yeah, a video of Bodhi using the remote control car in the water.

Tommy: Mate, it was just, um, one of my favourite things to do is to walk through the Fitzroy Gardens.

Josh: It's beautiful, isn't it?

Tommy: It's where Captain Cook's Cottage is. That's been cancelled.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: It says closed on the front of it. They mean cancelled.

Josh: It's cancelled.

Tommy: There was a security guard there for Australia Day because they were like, the people, you know, the progressives are going to come and fucking bash it in. Anyway, little fun fact on that. That cottage, I always thought that like that was built there and Captain Cook lived in that there. No, they brought the whole thing over from England and his parents, that was his parents' house.

Josh: Oh, interesting.

Tommy: And he may have stayed at his parents' house. That's what they allude to.

Josh: They also have the little tiny—

Tommy: Reconstructed it.

Josh: The tiny village.

Tommy: Tiny village. But it's just the trees. I didn't give a shit about the cottage or any of that. It's just like the, the on the something on the fringe of the like a CBD. So, it's like the concrete jungle meeting this beautiful you know, grassy, true, you know, tree-lined park. It's fucking magic. And so we just walk through that and Bodhi scooters. It's just beautiful. It's something worth doing if you're in Melbourne. Just walk through the Fitzroy Gardens.

Josh: It is probably my favourite park in Melbourne.

Tommy: It seems so good, other than the Botanical Gardens. But then it's like that even.

Josh: I feel like Fitzroy's like Fitzroy Gardens sort of Melbourne. Yeah, it's, it's more, um It's easier to get to.

Tommy: Dude.

Josh: It's more accessible, don't you think? Like, I used to walk there every— Like when I would walk into the city, I would go through the Fitzroy Gardens every day.

Tommy: Yeah. So, I mean, it was a lot of that. Had a beautiful fire Saturday night. My new thing, fires in the backyard with pizzas.

Josh: Eating pizza or cooking pizza?

Tommy: Cooking the pizza.

Josh: Oh, that's cool.

Tommy: We did. I've done one with ordering pizza. This one was cooking pizza.

Josh: How'd you do it?

Tommy: Oh, just in the oven. But it's—

Josh: Oh, so you don't use the fire?

Tommy: Nah, no, no, it's too hard. Too hard. But so, it was, yeah, nice weekend.

Josh: Beautiful.

Tommy: Nice weekend.

Josh: Yeah. Right. Well, it's The Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. I'm wanting documentary recommendations.

Tommy: Positive ones or—

Josh: Just, nah, just in general. Just a good doco. Obviously, the, you know, to your point, Crime, murders, paedophilia, all of that sort of stuff. It's not the best way if I'm wanting—

Tommy: I'm specific because then it might connect with someone listening. Yeah, yeah. I think— Like, what's the genre of documentary you want to—

Josh: So, things that play into nostalgia. So, there's a documentary, I think it's called American Filmmaker, a guy who— It's a documentary about him trying to make an indie film and he's completely crazy. That's great. So, maybe I like ones that I can relate to.

Tommy: Yeah, that's sounding like you.

Josh: Just people that are a bit nuts. Yeah. That like that.

Tommy: That's why you like Bikram so much.

Josh: I actually liked Bikram.

Tommy: It was a fucking good.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That was a good doco. Even though it was culty.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It was still like.

Josh: And a bit and sexual assaulty.

Tommy: You know, there's someone who's still smiling. It's Mr. Bikram. Yeah. Eh. He's a fucking strange unit.

Josh: Yeah. What's he up to?

Tommy: I don't know, jail.

Josh: Yeah. Is he?

Tommy: That's a weird thing about a lot of these people. It's like, how do they not end up in jail? Jail is living in a world where you've been cancelled. Some people rightfully so. And what do you do?

Josh: Yeah, I ended up on a fucking— on an article describing Ivan Milat's dead body. Genitalia underwhelming.

Tommy: You had a dark weekend.

Josh: Underwhelming. They said genitalia underwhelming.

Tommy: Hey, my genitalia will be underwhelming when I'm dead. Yeah, when I've shat myself because I'm dead. Well, I mean, you don't need to crawl back inside.

Josh: You don't need to defend Ivan Milat. He's a bit of a piece of work. But yeah, it's interesting. I guess that's like what I thought was like, oh, this is an interesting part of society where it's like, let's— we need to dehumanise or like, let's on the way out, we need to make sure that they're cast in a real, like, you know, just like trolling. I thought it was interesting.

Tommy: Like, I'm like, "Indig Ivan Milat." Yeah, it had that vibe.

Josh: And I was like, oh, it's interesting. Like, this guy is fucked up. Like, all of this stuff. But I thought it was interesting, the psychology of like, clearly that was like, we're going to write an article going through, like, describing someone's dead body. I thought it was just an interesting piece. Like, it was almost something a bit mediaeval about it. You know, like putting someone up in the street so everyone can can look at them. So, I wonder, like, my question, like, I wonder is like, who's it for? What's it for? Like, what?

Tommy: Like, so maybe it was for Josh Jetson to bring content to the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Or like, maybe it's the families of the victims. Like, do they? Does that? Is that a feeling?

Tommy: This is a journalist writing these. That's why it's like, think about all the hit pieces on people that haven't done anything.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's like this. Who's that for? It's for clicks. I want to read an article about how Ivan Milat was a pindick, because you get a bit angry and you're like, that's fucking great, he was a real skinner.

Josh: Yeah. All righty, uh, it's a Daily Talk Show. Enjoy your day, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.