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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 555 and we have the serenity by the wind beautiful where the coonan Craig

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we've got Queen, Queen gronk god you're ruling overland call myself Queen of coonan when we say PayPal I went to high school with and my friends that you need to stop doing that.

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One person from kurenai it's Gemma was the school. Okay, now I got the Craig I'm probably quite as

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the King of the mixture between the school in the creek the school is named after the Craig and why the hell are we at the Craig? Because I pushed for it really pushed for it. All right. Can you do the q&a a few days ago? Where should we do the show from and Karen I'm

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still pushing out. So this to me, is 50 metres from my Auntie's old house. And before the M What is it the m one m three m three m three

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The highway. That was before that was open. We went down there onto the highway. And we're like, caviar name on shit and throwing stuff around. So yeah, this is we've all got some history here now Josh,

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you've been, I don't think snorting coke or got sunscreen.

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It does happen but now we've all got SPF 50

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so that's that's always important Yeah, no I don't

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know it's an important thing to do. What it takes these days bling to get people to wear sunscreen.

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I appeal to my girlfriends just based on vanity, because I'm not I'm gonna look the side forever and you're gonna look at

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all the witches. And that's and that really gets them well. We will. Probably speaking out of school the other day just about sunscreen. You

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listen to my podcast. Yeah. And I my wife was telling me about your podcast, and just

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lovelight influences and they're kind of like like, I mean, you think about most influences shots in their tanning their their bums on the beach. And so they'll call anymore toy that will no.

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Used to Gillette in high school.

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promoting it. So it's like yeah, showing that you're doing that. Yeah. To then which people? I mean, is that what people do they saying I'm gonna turn my bomb? Yeah. What's the point of some biking and having sunscreen on?

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Well, there isn't one contradictory things because people got all you can still get a tan for sunscreen but if your skin is changing colour at all cells in trauma, really yeah, that's the title of today's

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Rosa Casa genic to

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your body like trying to fight off potential cancers when it changes colour. And why do you think we like the look of it? Because I don't know he's associated with health.

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I think

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Think you know you think about the the old 50 year old man who's who surfs every day and he's down the beach and he's always just happy you think like he looks healthy that's just sexy

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What do you think it is like that it's not like Elle Macpherson beach babe things but you just look more toned and is that culture is that culturally influenced? Very much so what about even going further back maybe it's a sign that you're out and about and you're hunting and so the person who's got a sick a tan is spending less time on their computer time trying to actually know there's it there is it an historical element to this because centuries ago, if you had a tan it meant you were poor because you are obviously doing the outside work. Yeah. Costs cost system maybe like the darker you are or whatever. Yeah, more you're spending on farms. Yes, the thing and then that change because it meant if you had to

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Can you had the money to take a holiday?

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being fat in some Asian calories is a sign of wealth Chinese and Chinese.

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Got a lot of cash.

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You have the money to buy the food. Isn't that funny? Like you're going to Thailand or whatever and you see the

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bleaching skin bleaching?

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What do they actually do? Have you? Is it? Has there ever been a stage that Australians have staked to that or is there a market for it? NO and NO. Yeah. What is it bleaching skin? Well, it's a it's the opposite to false tanning. Hmm. So it's going watch? Yeah, I've heard of bleaching your asshole. Three Kanye West song.

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I've never understood that. Really? No, I guess it comes off the back of 90 sevens motto or whatever. And just wanting to make sure it looks good. I mean, how often are people looking at their hand up if you've done

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looked at you're

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doing that

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maybe it's some who's sitting in the mirror who's been bending over in the mirror? I guess it's

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bending over in the bath

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that's pretty nice.

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Post Christmas

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How many times do you having to actually do your tan during the Christmas season? Well here's the thing there's like a not a meme isn't the word but I think going around the internet because it's like a very stressful time because you want to export you want to 10 but you also if you want to re apply it you want to exfoliate In the meantime, you are going to full craving on the edge.

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Sitting Yeah, I'm sitting on this ledge behind this is the world to

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watch. Yeah, it's very stressful, but I'll probably like I tend a few days ago, but I was a bit drunk when I did it and then I'll just top it up before me is I guess, what do you reckon the biggest misconception is?

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Yeah,

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I think we'll probably all pretty accurate on

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my accent, it's too pretentious. You read that piece of feedback to review. I think my voice is a bit broken, but I suppose I mean, I think you're quirky.

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Your quirk is to blatantly big up yourself, which is one of the best quotes because not enough women for one but not enough people. Yeah.

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And so as soon as that come from Mama, no, no, not my parents at all. Well, I think people feel I don't want to get David from getting bloody bullied in primary school. And then as I was gonna say, I think some people might not see the humour in you doing they die and then I think it's an insecurity thing is why you're doing it. I don't think anyone thinks I'm insecure. I think I just think I'm a bit of a wacko

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I'm not insecure at all really not. What do you think? Like because you're talking about the bullied stuff? Yeah. So that when you were bullied, you then needed to correct that I was a real easy I was shy. I was a real easy target. So what do you like which is I'm curious it because you do have like a vibe to you was, you

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know, this is like you know,

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just like no it's just like this Gemma.

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It's like a presence that like this contract I contract.

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It's a really good

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time all the time. So if you're quiet, what did that look like?

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They thought there was something wrong with me on my report. They will act we think Jim is a bit socially not really because I would ask to stay in the

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Cost room and lunch. You're planning your launch.

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Launch?

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Really? It's really hard in these branding.

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Probably grade three. It was. Yeah, gradually. Mom and Dad got me to start dancing when I was three because I thought all should just do it for like a term and then she'll get bored but it'll hopefully get her out of her shell. So the stage Yeah, I reckon. And then I just like to do like a theatre games or something or like what was the not a dancing? school? I never loved theatre sports. I love improv. Really? Why?

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pressure for it to be perfect or pressure just to come up with something good that coming up with some Yeah, I mean, you've heard Miss 97 How should we do?

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it? I mean, throwing being in a moment. What about like, ad libbing his life. You're in a businessman ad libbing

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Fine, I don't know, there's just something about the use of sports. Okay. I've built up in my head that lack in that environment on the funny one. Yeah. Which may not be the case, but I'm like pressure. Yeah. And then if you're focusing on delivering a gag, it's gonna fall flat.

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So when it came because you were giving

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Yeah, if you plan it too much, you gotta be willing to try. But the other thing too is whilst that temperature in the room joke didn't go down, well, delivery, but think about

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it 500 units a thing. So it's sort of like, yeah,

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I mean, yeah, I say what, but I think it's, it's more on brand for us to spread something across multiple episodes. Yeah. So you started most things. Like the journeys funny. Yeah, punch lines. Not necessarily like you gotta have all the context. Yeah. So you could say that you were leading up to the

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Yo solo laid up. Oh yeah, but then that's that's life we're kind of like letting it unravel a bit you're going to find the humour in in life I think you do that quite well. I think so I think like I'm quite self deprecating yeah that's that's on brand for me so many people that kissed down here it's got the vibe that you would sort of go and walk down my kid Mike was like thing with kids like no it was yes yeah, what else? I didn't do anything else down here but it was has that hotspot What is with

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not here you go and have a drink and I didn't really drink in the park I would drink in Springfield Park twice a to the friends however ended up the friend where we could drink there was your family there no no no my all see I was thought it was so clever and that they have no idea it seems emerged that yet now they were fully aware and all the moms knew they will I will just send it to Cassie.

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The safe environment. Yeah, um, do you want kids

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Yeah eventually I'm not lucky at all never have been but you still think you won't kill the clock fact is not there. Yeah

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I'm just not really maternal. So I'm weird So does that then ever do you need to be maternal to have a kid my parents were wasn't so that just do you think that the best time in your life with your parents is now because now you're just mate

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yeah I've always got along pretty well with them yeah have a good relationship I'm he said that I'm the argument for having body isn't only shot yeah and bodies heavily influenced

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like body but I kept saying to my parents I had one perfect child so they will and we don't need anymore and now I know you were not

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now I was pretty good I'm just to show off is that even when I was shy at school at home I'd be like, let's do a music video. Did you have many friends and

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School. Yeah, I've always been social. You close with friends from high school like Primary School mother's group that

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was mother's group. When you you have like a new baby and

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how this relates to you? What do you got from the mothers?

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I got

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my wife who has a baby

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I feel like it was more of an old school thing but the mother's group was such a big thing that you ended up becoming friends with all the kids in the mother's group not something so we still go on like mom and dad are still best friends with some of the other parents and sorry now now I'm saying she was my best friends from she made so many besties that's cool. Yeah, yeah, this is why did you did you have that? Did you have friends that were out like family friends? Yeah, but never ended up being closed with him. I'm going to em say my best might from others grapes winning now.

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That's great.

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I said to him either your best man or I'm your MC and he's like well, I'm

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already my brother's my best man.

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Have you thought about? We're gonna have you on for Christmas die, which I'm with the human Periscope and screw to Derek. Which we're excited about that 2020 we've spoken about a lot It seems like December for me I get very sort of in my head about what I want to do. I know that you don't this is

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your country. I know I think it's contradicted because you summarise

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Don't think about anything. Everything's Oh, but I'm

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okay. So here it is. She's planning the launch everything. Like I've always got like the longevity of the business in the back of my head. But I don't like concrete goals necessarily. Sure. She didn't want to tell people your goals. Are you working on your goal we said when you had her on she was as long as you're doing good work in the

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And then more like good things will come with a good work account as just where the proud of I think it's not because I understand what you saying. For someone like Zoe, she's willing to it. Yeah, she's super successful. And you've

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What do you think the brand will look back in five years? And she's like, hopefully good, but yeah, I mean for its for anyone it's like, if you don't have a brand like Joey's it's a complete, it's a completely different conversation, meaning you've got to have the vision of creating that thing. Well, the other thing is that so many of the really great things that have happened in my business in the last

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three years since I started a lot of them weren't opportunities that existed when I started if

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you want to set myself at least concrete goal because I know I'm the type of person that would then become Yeah, that really see you.

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Next year, you should be doing virtual reality. You could be

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Let's go back to when we met for the first time

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one thing one thing I remember is your Pauline Hanson

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in person I was Sandra Sally not easy to pull into it stuck out to me Really? Remember

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find it find that

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when we met in that hotel room I met

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Josh and bright before that. Yeah that's right

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yeah, we can we get to that plant with product along with it and they're like Gemma rojo and so it was for for IO which is like a brand that does like skincare stuff they Yeah, very good into like the electronic silicon this stuff and so we plug Yeah, so we had that event or whatever. But then we also did this the hotel thing we met it. Which hotel was it cold? Was it cold pull my knees yet?

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Yeah. And so we went there.

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camera set up. The funny thing isn't it funny first impressions of people because I my first impression Oh, no, my first impression on you was like, I think maybe through the confidence or whatever that you had. I just assumed you're way older. I get that all the time. The thing is like you don't you don't look.

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Yeah, so I just thought all right. And also because braided actually 110

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ambree had had talked you up so much as well. So it's like facade. He's done all of the stuff like, I just assume that you will like, you know, you've been around the traps forever. Everyone thinks that because I started working like in this when I was 18. So they just think I've existed for a very long time. But

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this

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thing about being 27 Now, before 27

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was fully back with my toes. They killed around this. Is this worth it? Yeah, look Chinese

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That's looking to do more, do more do one time crunch. Here we go all the way down and then up quite good. And I get another one. My legs around, and she got

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me looking at you but when I get off my cue meant to continue talking

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when yeah before 27 everyone was like, Oh my God, you're so young, but you've done so much and now I'm 27 and they're like, Oh yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah, Not in the slightest. If I felt you were funny, I wouldn't have said it. Like that. Now, I reckon I've done a shit tonne for 27 giving you the fake crush. So I am red hot guy. I interrupted you when you're saying 2020. So what is what is 2020 look like, if you were to put the strategic saying

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what you want give us the five year roadmap

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emceeing in the last 12 months and that's my favourite thing. So the more of that I can

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the happier I will be. That's like how I recharge, talking to a large group of people. But I think I've copped a nice little nation myself. I think in the last, because when I started working for myself, I was like, I'll just I'll do fashion. I'll do beauty. I'll do strategy. I'll do whatever anyone needs me to do a talk show whenever we want. Yeah, which I'm still talking.

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And then in the last probably 18 months, I've really honed in the clients, I'm working with what work I'm doing that like, I think I've really streamlined it so I just, I feel like I'm on the right path. Now people know what I'm doing. So it's Yeah.

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I mean, you actually didn't have your podcast, glow journal until after we did our first episode. Or maybe it was just after I feel like there was a real in November.

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end of September, end of September and we had you on beginning of October. I think that that was we had in mind. We want to get Jim on.

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I had just come back to Australia. Yeah. And then. And then we saw that you're doing the podcast. And so then we got Yeah. I mean, you can see how much things can change in regards to podcasting being the big thing. And well, that's been a nice thing because I just my favourite thing about journalism, even when I was doing fashion was the interviewing part of it. I loved interviewing designers and hearing about like, the business side of ish. And then whenever I would go to an event or do anything for the website, where I get to speak to a brand founder, I was like, this is this is the good stuff. This is where I feel like I'm actually doing good work that I can be proud of. And then I thought I made some way to host said conversations. And there was a gap for it in Australia, there was so many good podcasts of the same night coming out of the US and the UK, but none in that space out of Australia. How in terms of your audience, does it has it gone overseas, or Yeah, the UK in particular, I don't know if that's because I've got a lot of friends that have moved here and they whoring me out, but a lot of my guests

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from the UK, so then they will share it on their platforms and then

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a big one to Open Season Two we've got you've recorded Yeah, I've got to combine it so you know if you're familiar with one direction yes yes. See star of Louis Tomlinson has a tanning brand. And she lossy Aryans edge. And then Lou tased owl who's one directions like hair and makeup girl. She's the creative director. So they've got a combined I think 16 million followers. So I'm opening Season Two that's fun interview plus a brother could just give it a quick Yeah, toy. Well, I don't get to talk about the business side of it often. So I think they appreciated that it wasn't a conversation of like, what are you a troublemaker, essentially? Yeah, that's good. So weird that we've all met you I often think that I thought that around. I really thought about it. 400 episodes in I think I did nice posts. Yeah, yeah.

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become good friends we call each other we hang out all that sort of thing like people like pace and all that sort of like we've it's it's actually like through the podcast yeah we've been able to actually like because I guess you think about these things and you think okay like we get people on and also thing but it's actually become more than that which is cool this wire makes sense to any of you but it's nice having male friend

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because I'm such a girls girl it's like a nice the boys

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I've never had two boys and so this is my time as well. So I sort of say the boys Yeah, I've probably got higher testosterone

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maybe that's 2020

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I would love that

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resources of many k one

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to 2020 do you actually look forward in your business and think I want to make X amount of dollars

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bucket. Yeah, because my accountant every year looks at my books and guys, I'm very proud of you. So I want him to keep saying that and says it

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is yeah. So I don't know if we've spoken about it before buying a house and being a freelancer. Have you are you having to like talk to your bank? And they're like, Okay, put this money aside. Here's the fun part. Um, I can't go into the specifics, but the situation I was in prior to starting my business

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it's it was not ideal at the time. But on paper, it looks like I've been self employed for the entire time because they were right. Yeah. Yeah. So on paper, it looks

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like seven years. Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird, isn't it? Like I think about like, where the future is going in regards to how people work. And then you think about how people access money to be able to do things like buy houses and all that sort of thing. Yeah. You think about

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You know Tommy and I catch ourselves doing we will do this when this thing happens or that thing happens buying a house is such a big thing you could say I know like friends that have been going to buy a house and they like collecting things for the interior of their house and they're keeping it in a room and their parents house in preparation for when florie box

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apparently the old way it's an old school

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thing. Yeah. No, I bet because I get like I've

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long gone through it in the Craig.

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Craig with everyone else's Yeah.

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Man, I'm sorry. So I we've got a glory box because I've done a lot of work for black crystal brands. Beautiful glassware and linens and ready for a half. Yeah, but I like using nice things. Get them is that what you want to have?

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Yeah, yeah. So have you thought about like, what's the dream around that then like, is it?

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Is it painful being it like for most people, I guess the transition of being your parents place before moving and what sort of thing has some level of friction to it? Even if you love living at home? I'm guessing there's the friction then which is the opposite of I actually don't know if I want to leave. I don't know what that's gonna mean. Oh, what about even live? You're gonna be so you and Chris are buying together. Right? And so living together with your partner? Yeah. Have you thought about all of that fun stuff? Oh,

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eight and a half.

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Have you spent much time living together? Yeah. Well, there was a period of time where he was living in rosebuds.

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Yeah.

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But what

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what do you what are you looking at in regards to all of that, though, in regards to that transition? What do you think will be the biggest shift

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Gemma wants is a person nothing in general what's as a person as pretty well you have your

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oh yeah really want one of the box caught oh yeah I want one that is round this way she don't I mean I've got

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you know kind of came out this is gonna be a bit of time out but also I reckon I can do a BEC Judd style series where I go

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Yeah, we do like what Chela?

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Yeah, but I'll give it a different name. What do you reckon? Yeah, what about like, the big water out? Like the big day? Yeah. Yeah, no, maybe work on that. What's another What's another festival? got water Palooza?

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That's good. I like that what

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we had my one of my best friends turned 30 in January. And she works in like, music, publicity and her parents own an olive farm. So we had mama said I was mad my way

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memorised, she had memorised remember summarise

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actually never went

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to you went to like early days of future Music Fest yeah when it was at the

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work on it is a two day festival and I filmed actually be not very good at video music. Yes and then we got so we all know each other from dancing so our other best friend put on like crazy costumes and we just got her to dance in the middle of this Olive farm and video really good send it to you What are you craving them like in regards to that house thing like he going to have a so

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it's it space because I've got like it sounds like such a wonky problem to have maybe this is why people think I'm such a Lanka. Obviously my job is a lot of it is reviewing beauty products. I am pretty organised and I like to have a system with the world.

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Everything's set up. But at the moment, there's like, just different things in different what's in the works in bangalow at the middle wine, and also products from the Christmas gift God. So this stuff that I'm like giving us, you know, little extra prizes. And then also some stuff that I'm undecided if I'll cape or if I'll gift. Then in the spare room, there's the stuff that I definitely want to keep or I still have to work with. I have to take photos or review it or whatever. And then also in the bungalow, there's a separate cupboard of stuff that's going to like the women's shelter that's going to like the different charities. Okay. Well, there's a lot and it's just all spread out without having an office one day. Yes. How many you want? Eventually, because I'll hire I financially. I'm in a position where I could have hired the CFO, I would rather use the 97 was taken. Yeah, that was it. That's the that was it. But I just don't think I'd be a very good manager at the stage. I would want to learn how to how do you

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do that without wasting heaps of cash. just wasting hips cash? I don't know, I'll figure it out. Yeah.

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Is there anything that like you think about like a community and friendship group? Is there anything that we could all be doing? More to supporting you? Or like, Is there anything that like, No, I wouldn't have you around if I didn't

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say strategy? Yeah, I think it's like I think that we've seen like the power in having like the gronk squad and

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having people around you help and you say that when you do an event because I've done one in the last few months. Somebody's best feeling in the whole world. We definitely want to do more. Yes, I'm drinking I'm going to do Saison Oh, now because the big will not issue from my point of view, but from people that tried to buy tickets, they sold out in 45 seconds. So people were like, you need to do a bigger event. Next time. I don't think I do. I think that size works really well.

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Cuz I like to speak to every single person. So I think I keep it intimate. And the other thing, being a beauty event, you want the goody bags to be

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a lot easier to go to a brand and say, hey, did we 65 engaged people? 15 Yeah, actually what we should do, so it's episode, what number is?

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Number? How, what data is it in 45 days from today? It's Thursday, the sixth of February 2020. So the sixth episode 600. Feel like we could maybe work towards doing another 600 every hundred? Yeah, yeah. What's that every three months? Yeah. To force. Yeah.

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Maybe seasonal. Okay. Thursday night. You did yours on a Thursday night? Yeah.

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This is my favourite not Friday. Should we do it? Again, or should we do something else?

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Yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, it makes sense because you've obviously got a nice relationship with them maybe like we were thinking potentially like charging just to make sure that gets filled. How much? Yeah, what do we should we charge?

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Because I definitely will actually charge for my event. That's what so from your learnings, because yeah, think about it. Outside of this conversation. This is actually the organisational meeting. Welcome, guys. Thanks for coming. Up. 600 launch

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How much? Well, I we've got to do you spreadsheet so I didn't make any money off my event. And in retrospect, I could have so just work out your costs first, I guess if we had like 80 people. Yeah. At 20 bucks at 1600 bucks. And then there's probably even pay out of pocket. Yeah, so we only had to pay out of pocket our lighting and speakers. It was 400 bucks, but the venue would have cost tapes if would actually Yes. That all photographer video

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Flowers. A lot of it was mites. Right? Yeah. And so I guess if we Yeah, it's interesting, but I guess it just creates a bit of tension to be able to make sure that everyone who secures the ticket shows up. And it means that we can potentially

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what

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we have what we had people who because

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we just had a few of those ones with like selling a book six tickets, and they don't show gronk mode. Yes, we know the thing is, if it was just had a little bit of cash, it would, because we still had like 70 people we would have had, we could have had 100 Yeah. And so what I'd love to do, I wonder how you do it so that you could almost overfill like, I'd love to have like, I have 105 potentials with having some people are waiting customers usually come Yeah, and that's a whole different overflow if it's free, because then you've got the gronk said, Don't come but I

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only had one person the day before. He was one of my girlfriend, she was sick and she's like, I'm not going to be able to make it. So I just had there was a

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whitelist

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and I was like, I'll just go down the whitelist because it was the day off I thought no one's gonna be free and no one's gonna check their emails snapped out within another two minutes yeah so so nicely but you know whitelisted people ask for refund you just raise us go just walk past with a fishing rod with me after catching that you just need to net

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if you go along that track where I'm wrecking the snakes that could be fun. There's also turtle season Yeah, there was a sign that we would have worked out whoa journal.

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He loves turtle Really? Like a turtle

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burning up. Yep, you know put sunscreen on

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everyone hi the daily talk show.com is the email address. Make sure you check out Jim's podcast glow journal with the episode season two starting when January beef days

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It's

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Monday. So yeah, the following.

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Sounds about right, right. Right. Anyway, say tomorrow and then on Christmas Day, we'll have Jim

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I think you'll probably want to say

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hey guys