Planning For Episode 1000

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad.

Josh: That's crazy! We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys. Hi guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show episode 991.

Tommy: Happy, um, whatever day it is.

Josh: It's hump day.

Tommy: Hump day! I knew it was a happy day. Because hump day is.

Josh: Oh, my hair is really slick today, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: What deals are we doing today, brother?

Josh: Can give you a good price on an i30.

Tommy: Do you know that I got my car serviced this week?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: All in all, it was an okay experience, which is all you can ask for at a car service centre. My favourite moment was when I worked out that the car wasn't— hadn't been vacuumed inside, which is like, I fucking— Love going for a service because I know I'll get the car vacuumed.

Josh: Because you've been like, Bodie's been fucking shit up for the last—

Tommy: Oh, it's once a year. We vacuum that car once a year and it's the mechanic's problem.

Josh: But he's like, we found a whole loaf of bread.

Tommy: I really know that. No, no joke. I literally pulled out 5 crusts from his, you know, from his little side thing in the car. I know that the mechanics do it, which is like asking the video production team to sweep or, you know, to do something after they've doing their key thing that they're good at. Yeah. Making the video.

Josh: I thought you were going to say captioning.

Tommy: Well, kind of. Actually, it's probably the captioning of video production of mechanics because it wasn't done. And the guy who's lovely that actually, you know, is working in the sort of the centre who hands the keys back over, takes my money, all of that. Come out to the car. Yep. Great, great. You got your logbook? I was like, yeah. It's in the back. He's like, oh, they mustn't look in there. And then I opened the door, I was like, oh, does it, does it get a clean? Question. He's like, dead shits. I know, I was like, mate, that's a good call. He's like, I'll take it back to the dead shits, get him to vac it out. And so he took it out, they backed it. But, um, at that same—

Josh: was the exterior cleaned?

Tommy: Exterior was lovely. Yeah. So it was done nice, but he, I, um, that same Hyundai dealership, um, literally I've got a piece of paper in my hand. Imagine I'm writing a number. This is where I went. We never bought our car from there, but the car salesman just did one of these. Slid the piece of paper with the number across the table. What do you reckon? And you're that guy today.

Josh: It's very true. I do feel a bit like that.

Tommy: A car salesman. Yeah.

Josh: Fuck. Episode 1000 is 9 episodes away.

Tommy: Dude. Wow. We haven't— Doesn't feel like it was going to feel. And I don't know how that was going to feel.

Josh: No, it seriously doesn't, does it? I think episode 500 for us felt bigger than episode 1. Like, it's like, this is 500.

Tommy: Plus we'll go to Hollywood the next day.

Josh: Yeah. If you double whatever this is, episode 1000 is going to be ridiculous.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Do you think the MCG is going to be about? That's sort of vibe. But we are very excited about it. Yeah. And but we haven't done that much planning, which is not, not too dissimilar to the 24-hour stream. The 24-hour stream, I think that was part of episode 700. Is that right? So we did episode 700 on a Sunday and then we're like, fuck, we don't really have anything. Let's do a 24-hour stream the following Friday.

Tommy: Yeah. And then that knocked out a good week of feeling like feeling good.

Josh: Exactly. And so, but we planned the whole 24-hour stream in one week.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: We've got more than a week and we're planning to do 1,000 minutes, which is just over 16 hours.

Tommy: It's a fair whack of time, but I'm up for the challenge because it's on a Friday and then, you know, rolls into the weekend. We'll be done before midnight. Yeah.

Josh: Starting.

Tommy: We'll be here before 5 AM. Yeah.

Josh: And it's actually, it's not too bad at all, is it?

Tommy: Is your chair all right? Like, if—

Josh: Yeah, economics. Yeah, I'm happy.

Tommy: Hitting 16 hours.

Josh: Should I get an EpiZuril beforehand?

Tommy: I should see if my mate who spent 12 bitcoins on office chairs could give us one.

Josh: Oh no.

Tommy: One of these $700,000 chairs.

Josh: Oh no. How painful is that?

Tommy: Many years ago, it's the running joke. You've got $700,000 chairs. It's like 10 bitcoins or something.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And they're worth 70 grand each now.

Josh: It's not ideal. And so, um, so maybe we could—

Tommy: maybe through on the episode we could do some crypto trading, see if we can make some money.

Josh: Yeah, well, this is the question. What I wonder is, um, we're going to live stream the whole thing. There's some limitations around live streams.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So, um, for instance, because we did 24 hours last time, we couldn't then put the videos, uh, the, the whole entire 24-hour live stream, we couldn't make it public after the live happened.

Tommy: I thought you're going to say you can't take anything back because it's live.

Josh: That too. Yeah, that too.

Tommy: But yeah, it knocked it out. So, which is a bit annoying.

Josh: Well, but we have the whole 24-hour stream obviously in its entirety that we recorded, which is handy. Somewhere. Somewhere on the computer. JB was looking at it. Oh, was he? Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: He was having fun.

Tommy: That's a big export.

Josh: Yeah, it was. It was over 100 gigs, just the file.

Tommy: We should get George to caption the whole thing. Hey, just on the captions thing before we get back to Instagram Stories, you can caption your videos automatically in Stories. So, if you just load in the Story or film one in the Story function and go swipe up and then type in captions and it says closed captions and it says transcoding audio and it puts up like a cool motion graphic looking.

Josh: Oh, that's really nice.

Tommy: So, yeah.

Josh: Are we doing less on Instagram? That's not criticism. I'm not on, so I haven't been on Instagram.

Tommy: Yeah, there's less on Instagram.

Josh: Yeah, we're doing less, but, um, it doesn't mean anything.

Tommy: OnlyFans bit, uh, hit 14,000— 1,400 plays.

Josh: Yeah, that's good.

Tommy: Me asking— me telling you about OnlyFans and buying a pic of my ass off for $5.

Josh: That's what the bit is. George picks the best bit. Like, it's all very Smutty the bits that he picks.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. The— Yeah. So, episode 1,000, we will stream the whole thing. We'll put out an email to everyone with the link. But just think about like the 24-hour stream. There was a lot going on, a lot of people, and we're planning on doing the same thing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So—

Tommy: But this time we're going to be in person.

Josh: In studio.

Tommy: You and I. Yeah. We're going to have guests roll in. So there's going to be the car spot downstairs just available.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then they can just— you'll hear the garage go up. We'll have someone opening the garage. They'll roll in, come up and just plonk themselves. And then we'll do a show.

Josh: We can have some music like intro music that they could come into. That could be fun between like as guests come in. Should we set up the—

Tommy: Couch, Mike.

Josh: What do you think? Up to you.

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: So, we have— So, the setup that we have, we have our desk that comfortably fits 3. You can do 4, including us. But then we have a whole couch section, which we could definitely have handhelds.

Tommy: Yeah. It's actually the couch that Amy's waters broke.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And flooded it. So, it's got a few—

Josh: I mean, it was—

Tommy: It's a secondhand couch from us, and maybe it was secondhand from the people who bought it. So, you know, I've been, I've actually come home after sort of a night out and Amy was in the bedroom and I found that couch was made up as a bed saying, you're in the doghouse, mate. Sleep on the couch.

Josh: I wonder about this with secondhand stuff, what the storeys are. Like, I don't, like, I don't buy that much secondhand. Books, yes. But I bought golf clubs and I was thinking, I was like, I wonder what sort of player this guy was, you know? Like, I wonder if he hit any hole-in-ones. I wonder if there's, you know, like, um, just feeling the grip, I was like, it was almost like, um, soul buddies, you know? I felt like, oh, maybe we'll, um, you know, do you need to get back to that message?

Tommy: No, it's just Jess.

Josh: Yes, what time are we picking?

Tommy: What are we thinking?

Josh: 8:15 pickup. We're just doing some logistics on a production.

Tommy: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Josh: Yeah, that'll work out well. So, yeah, I mean, that's a good segue with the episode 1000. When we were doing episode 24-hour stream.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It was very much like in the pandemic.

Tommy: Yeah. So, it was remote. So, everyone had their own comfortable house.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: Or place that they felt comfortable in. And so, you could just sort of fidget. You could sort of lean over and pick your nose off camera.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You could go and just do a cheeky shit if you needed to.

Josh: Yeah. We only have the one toilet next to the studio.

Tommy: Oh, and I'm so glad that I'm the only guy who shits in this building.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, I've got my own private toilet. This is amazing. This is amazing. No, it's— We all shit around here. You know, we're open to that. But it is. So, there's a difference when you're in person. There's a difference when we're in the room. There's a different energy.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I even had like a rest on the couch while someone took over last time. Remember Amy jumped on? Yeah, that was just— I didn't sleep, not allowed. But I don't feel like 16 hours is actually that much. No, it's just 2 work days.

Josh: But then I think I'm feeling really good, but I feel like if I was doing this in the mental state that I was 2 weeks ago, it'd be dangerous, don't you think? Because I like it now, I just feel like Um, something would trigger me and then I would just fucking start talking and just getting a bit fucking just defamatory.

Tommy: Stella would come up again. Stella will watch?

Josh: No, not sure. I wouldn't think so.

Tommy: No. And so, uh, yeah, it needs to be nice and comfortable.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: For people watching as well. Um, we've got our producer's booth.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Over there. I take for granted this studio a lot, and then I see photos of it and I'm like, that's great.

Josh: Looks great. Who's—

Tommy: that's a great studio. I wish I had that. Isn't that fucked up? Yeah, it's like internet speed, I guess.

Josh: You just get used to it.

Tommy: Get used to it.

Josh: Uh, and so yeah, heaps of guests. I'm thinking if we're doing 16 or so hours, 10 to—

Tommy: if you had 10 guests with a bit of bleed either side, as in there's a fight in one of them and somebody's bleeding, That's enough. I would love a solid guest. That would be cool. It's just the— we don't want—

Josh: You're worried about the technical, me getting— So the problem—

Tommy: We want Pete Murray to walk up the stairs strumming his—

Josh: But I could get it really set. So last time we just had it, we just got our new mixer, Radio Mike and Jack Post were playing from Release the Sounds. And 10 seconds before I'm about to record, Jack said, can I just get a bit of reverb? I blew up because we could do reverb, but I couldn't fucking work out how to put the reverb on.

Tommy: Did you work out in the end?

Josh: We ended up doing it in post. He's like, oh mate, it sounds like it's, um, it's not really roomy in my headphones. Just, uh, yeah, that was, that was upsetting. But anyway, I'll get the reverb going for any, any live performances. I would love to see some live performances.

Tommy: But I mean, just fucking performance. Just performances. Yeah, you can just go with one.

Josh: Yeah, it's—

Tommy: I just don't think once you have it organized, if we left it to you, once you have it set up, who's going to play? For one, we've got— You're taking anyone these days?

Josh: No, we could, we could have Radio Mike and Jack Pose. There's one.

Tommy: Is that band still together?

Josh: Yes. Yeah, there's heaps of people.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: I mean, what's Andy Lee up to? Andy Lee could play on guitar.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: Could ask.

Tommy: I mean, what about once I was— this is classic radio. The Salvation Army Band came into the studio.

Josh: Oh yeah, that's fun. That's fun.

Tommy: It was cute. It was cute. They always have a nice story, Salvos Band. I mean, your brother. I like you.

Josh: I like—

Tommy: Oh, actually, that's a good idea because there's such low barrier and we can boss him around.

Josh: That's rude.

Tommy: No, low barrier isn't easy.

Josh: Brother.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, he's fucking wicked.

Josh: Not that he's a— He's very busy.

Tommy: Oh, he's sold out.

Josh: Yeah, he's—

Tommy: But I really like his music and I think he could be like someone who could actually spend 3 or 4 hours here on the couch with his guitar and we're just like, to Jakey boy.

Josh: Actually, yeah, what he could really— What actually So, if we could get a 16— I mean, he'll be working, but if we can do a 16-hour live band the whole time, Jake just fucking fingers bleeding.

Tommy: Just, yeah.

Josh: That'd be fun, though. But what other instruments? So, it would be good.

Tommy: I don't want to be— I don't want it to shit me. I don't want noise, like too much noise, like a guitar.

Josh: You're a fucking sook, aren't you?

Tommy: No, I just know the land. You know, just feel it.

Josh: Yeah, it's—

Tommy: but I just know that awareness is— that's just 16 hours around you. I know that. I know the problems that can happen. Um, you just want something that's just ease. It's all about ease. If you learn anything after doing a thousand, it's like—

Josh: but is that the—

Tommy: so you just want some ease across a day.

Josh: But I don't like— like, so I get the ease thing But like, good things aren't easy. Yeah, but I think about the 24-hour stream. So the thing is, that was easier for you because you weren't having— you won't do it like I was doing the vMix and then you were switching.

Tommy: I wasn't fighting with Jordan Michaelides.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, fucking dealing with texts. Um, uh, yeah, like on vMix, you know, managing fucking calls are coming in, all of that sort of thing. Um, by the way, Jordan Michaelides is great.

Tommy: There's nothing with Michaelides. Cancelled on you the following day.

Josh: Yes, there was, there was an issue where Pete Murray was coming on the same time Jordan came on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: But it's not about— I don't mean, I think there's—

Josh: so are you, are you worried that because this is the thing, you, you ended up unscathed from it, whereas because there was so much interacting that I was doing and managing all of that sort of stuff there was a bit of pressure. But the thing is, like, so if we're doing it in the studio, I can't think of anything that's going to really happen.

Tommy: Nah.

Josh: Don't you agree?

Tommy: I mean, there's always a tech problem that could pop up. Yeah, but that's the game you play.

Josh: Yeah. So what are some of the— give me— so let's— yes, and what other things would you like to do?

Tommy: I think there's a great opportunity for people to fuck with us in certain ways. Not in a bad way, but like—

Josh: It's like a terrible idea.

Tommy: Ordering.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Ordering shoes.

Josh: You love people ordering shoes.

Tommy: I love it. I love surprise orders, drop-offs, deliveries while the show's going on.

Josh: Well, that brings up the yellow cups. So, what do we want to do with the yellow cups?

Tommy: Yeah. So, then we can have somebody in the team willing to hang off the side, not hang off the side, but just lower down some cups. Lower down some cups. Anyone who wants a cup, big yellow cup for a donation. So, what happens is, have you seen in New York City, there's this guy who for all the— It's probably not around anymore. These big, you know, the double-decker buses.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Have you seen the guy that has this this arm, like it's like a pole, extension pole. And then on it has this little sort of holder and he puts a bottle of water, puts it up to the top and then they take out the bottle and put some coins in and he lowers it down.

Josh: I haven't seen that.

Tommy: Or it's like a note. But it's like a, you know, it's a system that he's got going that works really well. And he, and it's his thing.

Josh: And so, we should have some form of button That can be pressed.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, you could, depends on how, um, I was thinking about a doorbell, which are cheap.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which you could actually just press. We could put it on a location that says—

Josh: As a Ring for specifically for—

Tommy: Yeah. So, what we do is cut a cup in half. We sacrifice one cup for this and you create a, um, on the wall is a button inside of a cup.

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: And so the other thing people know is there's nothing other than that. Doesn't say anything, just has a big cup.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And there's a button coming off the side of the cup.

Josh: Oh yeah. Imagine. Yes, I love that idea. The other thing is we could rewire the chirpy box to go like that makes the ring sound, you know, like a doorbell has like the chirpy thing to like. I wonder if we could cable that to an XLR to go straight into the mixer so it goes in our, in our cans. That'd be cool, wouldn't it?

Tommy: I wonder if we could actually, there's probably some sort of button, sound effect button that we could just run out the window instead.

Josh: Oh, yeah.

Tommy: It does connect straight up. So, it's like our own version of a doorbell.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But much higher quality.

Josh: And so, what other, like what supplies are we going to need?

Tommy: Well, is it like—

Josh: In general, like as in not just for the doorbell, but just over the 1,000 minutes.

Tommy: Lots of fizzy water. Lots of water. You're going to brush your teeth at least once across a 16-hour period. So, there's like almost like a— George in the office yesterday pulls out a pack of cheese and biscuits. He said, got this off the flight from Canberra. He's taken the— I mean, it's— He deserves it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You paid for the flight. Great idea. But like flights, have great sort of little kits. And so, there has to be some kind of little, at least little kit.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: Need to feel comfy. Socks. Last time we did 24-hour stream, we did Cotton On gave us some great comfy clothes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, it's all about comfort. Yeah. Hoodies.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, we were at that time we were doing the merch stuff as well.

Tommy: The Gronkh Squad stuff.

Josh: Yeah. But I won't put that like— I mean, it's tempting. I did before you came in, I was thinking, oh, maybe, um, maybe I could— we could get some new stuff screen printed beforehand. I was like, no, just settle up.

Tommy: Who's doing it?

Josh: If you get Dion—

Tommy: no, no, as in who's organizing? Who actually— that's the thing about— that's the thing about the pressure. I don't think— I think you're, you're right, pressure does create, you know, diamonds. It does it, but it also fucking crushes people, as I said the other day.

Josh: Yeah, you're really on that.

Tommy: Yeah, because I don't— I think there's— if you're, if you're doing— if you're at your 50th or 100th episode, you could probably push a bit harder. But you, at 1,000, I think you can just celebrate what's been created without fucking, you know, burning down the house. But it is fun having Dad's 40th and the house burns down. That was the last night that he's ever had.

Josh: But do you still enjoy the— like, what do you enjoy?

Tommy: I don't enjoy— I don't enjoy the anxiety. From some of the things we do. I don't, but I don't think I just, it's almost like I don't need that bullshit in my life.

Josh: Yeah. Which I think I actually, even though I do have anxiety about these things, I do enjoy like the production, putting something together, doing all of that, having lots of guests. Like that's the noisemaker, right? Like that's afterwards you feel euphoric.

Tommy: 100%. I think there can always be another way to get to where you want to go. And so, I think for a lot of it's, you know, Jules Lund's a guy who's always highly sort of, you know, everything's fucking serious, but he's created something pretty amazing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And his way of getting to amazing has been anxiety. And but I think there he seems different now. He's changed his tune. He's worked a lot on himself, but it's changing. And so what I'm saying is there's a different way. So we can have a great at 1,000 that feels much more seamless, doesn't feel like you've grinded crazy to make it happen. And it's great. And it's great.

Josh: Yeah, I think there's probably a difference in what sort of anxiety it is. So with Jules, it was very much like, um, it felt like needing to make progress in some ways, or just like that Whereas I think for me, I love geeking out on these things. So I love the idea of like, hang on, how do we network up this video thing so we can have this cool camera in the street? Or how could we be able to automate something where I press a button, it does 3 different things. Like, even though that, that has that same thing of progression, it's also the fun of the tinkering, if that makes sense too.

Tommy: Yeah, totally fits your vibe, the tinkering and all that stuff. Totally. That's it.

Josh: But what's it— what do you like in the process? Like with the Daily Talk Show, what's been the standout for you across 1,000 episodes? Yeah, just in the process, what do you like? What don't you like?

Tommy: Um, oh, it's like life. You fucking love some stuff sometimes and don't love it the next day. But the, the learning of just showing up and actually having a crack when you feel like it, when you don't feel like it, when you kind of feel like it. That's— that is— that is the, um, secret sauce that you can unlock of, um, getting through the tough times but also enjoying when it is good. And also, uh, pushing back on when you— your mind thinks it's shit. Like, it's— it's just a unique, um, unique, uh, you know, thing to do.

Josh: Well, like, but I also think that before you do something versus after you do it, it's different. Before we did the 24-hour, like, you and I spoke of, like, I mentioned the 24-hour stream weeks before we actually ended up doing it. You're like, nah, it's fucking ridiculous, like, we don't need that. But then it turned out so well. The video thing, before we did video, that was a blow-up of like, nah, like, a video, that's fucking ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you enjoy it. So the thing is that You can't, you can't take the feeling that you have, the negative feeling of like, oh, it's going to be shit. Or like, so for instance, like the band thing, like that could be the fucking highlight. That could be the thing that like brings it all together.

Tommy: I'm all up for band. Yeah, but just not a fucking 10-piece band in the space.

Josh: Yes. Yeah. No, I agree.

Tommy: No one needs that in their life.

Josh: What are you excited about after 1000 episodes? What would you like us to do?

Tommy: Oh, dude, I have no idea. I don't— haven't thought that far. I have not thought that far.

Josh: I've been thinking about like wanting to get guests, like, so we— because we've been building out the production company, we have been in the last 2 weeks, 4 out of the 5 weekdays we've had shoots on.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so that's like it literally knocks out like you're doing an 8-hour day out on, um, on shoots. So obviously guests and things have been harder, but I feel like it definitely has a place going forward. I spoke to Gem Queen Gronkh the other day. She's going to come on episode 1000. Pete Shepherd, uh, Scooter Derek, all the OGs.

Tommy: Yeah, great.

Josh: Um, so I think that there is something in— because if you think about it, we haven't had—

Tommy: we've only had what, uh, Diavella He was our last guest, uh, Brad Blanks, before Dave Villa.

Josh: They're the only guests we've had this year, I think, outside of George and Jess.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's— that's where you're trying to— I think it's finding that consistency is— will be the, the key. The new consistency where you can incorporate all of that, because we nearly shat the bed doing it the other way, which is why we're doing it this way, which is good. I think it's just a refocus.

Josh: Yeah. And so It doesn't feel like it's funny. I think, um, the sh— the shatting the bed thing. Shitting the bed. You said shatting the bed.

Tommy: I said I shat. You can say I shat the bed.

Josh: Yeah, shitting the bed.

Tommy: You can't say shatting.

Josh: Shatting the bed.

Tommy: It's quite funny. Yeah.

Josh: Uh, yeah, it's interesting because I think, yeah, like it keeps us that, like, think about social media, where the social media was at, posting 6 times a day, all of that sort of thing. You find a new version you know, super high-engaged sort of community management where it's like everything is Gronkh Squad related. You see how that, that was a full-time job in a lot of ways. But then there are things that you can do, like, so think if, if you want to be competitive— competitive is probably the wrong word— if you want to stand out in this space, you need to obviously give it time to innovate and to do things and to experiment. Um, and so I think the one thing that I would be careful of is I don't just want to keep— I wouldn't want to keep doing something and just doing the minimum effort. I would want it like it. And so that's, I guess, that's one thing that I think of is like The idea isn't that it's just this stagnant thing that we just continue doing, um, because I think that like as we evolve we want to do different things, or even, you know, bringing in more people again or things like that. Um, yeah, I think that that's what I think about.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, it's weird because you then don't know what will actually work. You can never tell what works.

Josh: So for instance, before you do it So like, we peaked at 90,000 downloads a month. Then we went from 7 shows to 5 shows. This month where it will be about 55,000 downloads or something. If you actually look at the unique listeners compared, compared to downloads, there's still this consistent audience every single day. And so And then if you— and that's not even considering anything on YouTube. And so then you look at YouTube, YouTube numbers are going up, different audience. Yeah. And so there is something like, I don't think, I don't think that there's a risk in fucking it up or a risk in like, we just need to create something that we want to do every day.

Tommy: That's the key, because then people won't like it, but that's because it wasn't for them.

Josh: Yeah, but do you, do you in the moment when we're doing this, do you think about things of like, ah, it would be good to X or Y or Z in regards to what we're doing now?

Tommy: In what way?

Josh: So, for instance, like, I think about, okay, the guest thing, or, you know, structuring a few things around the day, or, um, you know, just because we've removed everything.

Tommy: Yeah, I think, I think the, the behind the scenes thing is Um, yeah, you can think about all of that, but we're, we have a, we're focusing on building the business. So there has been a version of keeping, keeping the show going because that, that we're not stopping that. So there is a consistency. Um, and you're needing to put focus on something else because you see how when you focus on the show only, I actually don't know how we fucking survived for so long when we did put so much of our week's energy into doing the show. And so you see how you can survive doing that, but you see how— you can see how something, when you neglect it, it does go by the wayside. And so there is a, um, yeah, guests are obvious, have, you know, fun guests a couple a week. In studio, um, out of studio.

Josh: Do you think that— because like, I think for me, doing, doing the client stuff, focusing on video production, what we're really good at, like getting that going, I've always had in my mind still that plan. It's just everything for me shifted. So it's like, rather than executing on you know, a space that's conducive to a daily talk show that sort of like— if you think about pre-2020, so the end of 2019, some of the plans that I was working on was like a studio space, space with bleachers. Do you remember that? So it's like a studio space that had, uh, you know, 100-person seating. So that people could sit in the show. We would do like middle of the week, you know, Harps could come on the show or we could have key people to come in. We'll do collaborations. There would be a—

Tommy: Imagine if you bought those bleachers. Not that you had any in mind, but there's— Yeah, this is the crazy thing about—

Josh: Gift shop. I thought it'd be great to have a gift shop.

Tommy: Imagine if there's a person.

Josh: I mean, the thing is, but you've got to be able to.

Tommy: So the thing is that it's like It's not to say that you should never think this stuff, but like, look at the people who bought, got a 500 square metre office just before COVID and then couldn't use it for over a year and then couldn't use it in full capacity. It's like, not to say you shouldn't ever do these things or think this way, but you've got to know that sometimes they won't hit the bullseye like you want them to.

Josh: But I think this is the thing. I think that, and this is where I feel like I come from a slightly different angle. Is it's like when you do hard things, when you do things that are like putting your neck out, sometimes the guillotine comes down. Like, it just, it just happens. But that the hard thing is that, uh, most people will look and point and say, this is why you shouldn't do that, this is the reason why you shouldn't do something epic, this is why. And so, like, even if I'm looking at the the podcast stuff, like everything happened the way that it was meant to happen based on, like, we did— we, we had 2 years doing everything that we wanted to do. And so it wasn't like one day we were like, oh my God, we've like nearly lost a business or anything like that. It's like we were prioritising and doing that, and then we're like, oh, you know what, if we want to go from a 3-person team to a 7-person team or a 10-person team, we need to create some, uh, a better business to allow for that. But I think that would get you back to where you're wanting to go.

Tommy: It's all a part of the same plan.

Josh: Yeah, I just think that there's a— there's definitely a risk in people looking at it, pointing at things that haven't worked out and said, this is why you don't do it. Whereas what I think that, that, that bleacher idea, obviously within COVID or things like that, doesn't work, but there's still a place. Like, I'm still dreaming, I'm still thinking of you know, where that is. Because, um, if I'm— yeah, for me, if I was like— I feel like we've got more to offer. Like, what we're doing right now is really awesome, but I feel like this is early steps in a much bigger plan.

Tommy: Yeah, I think that— so the 1,000 thing you could see as a reset to— then it's like most people fuck it after 10 episodes. Most people don't go past 20 episodes. The point of getting to the 1,000 is like it's a new baseline to play from. So you can— that's why I don't, don't see my, uh, lack of convers— lack of thinking about what is next as something like it's— but it's like a new playing field. Okay, like, where are we? Where are we going?

Josh: And I think that—

Tommy: let's fucking do it.

Josh: Well, I think that that's the clear thing, right? Which is from a conversation perspective, being— making sure that everyone's in the same headspace of what that is. The difference between Episode 1000, like, doesn't have to be crazy, doesn't have to be anything, you know, let's just celebrate the past or whatever. Like, there's an element in that that it could be like, okay, are we still creating stories? Are we still building out narratives? Are we still doing all the stuff that you need to— that what made the last 1000 episodes great? Um, And so, I think that there's, yeah, that reset that you're talking about, I think needs to be looked at through a positive lens of, okay, like this is how we're going to get to the next point. And it's not coming from a place of ego and sort of like, oh, we need to be the biggest or this sort of thing. But just like, just talking like this is really nice, but it's not pushing us at all. It's not like we've done 1,000 episodes of this. Or, you know, nearly, we know how to turn on the mic and talk. And so then it's like, okay, well, what other things can we develop? What other things can we— And so that's where even, you know, I really enjoyed, you know, working with Tony, you know, building talent as well. So, I think that there's still a place for that as well.

Tommy: Oh, yeah, mate. It's just the beginning.

Josh: All right. Well, it's a Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. You'll hear if you listen to the podcast, we put in an ad asking people before Monday, we want your suggestions of your favourite moments from the podcast so, yeah, GB can chop them up and put them into a special bit.

Tommy: And if it's 1,893, that's the episode you're listening to right now, send through something anyway.

Josh: What does that mean?

Tommy: Because if this is in the future and you're listening—

Josh: Oh, sure.

Tommy: We had a baked-in ad at the— We had a dynamic ad at the start of the show and it's probably gone, but we still want to hear from you. Episode 2000 is coming up.

Josh: Yeah, sure. If they're going back.

Tommy: Yeah. Which people do.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: And it could confuse the fuck out of them. So, if it's—

Josh: If you're going back in, if you're going back in time listening, you understand how it works. Yeah.

Tommy: Just email us. Tell us what we should do for episode 3000.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Or 2000.

Josh: Have a good one, guys. Catch ya.